Rust Removal - Electrolysis vs. Vinegar
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2016
- In this 2 part video, I explore the advantages & disadvantages of two rust removal procedures.
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Mr. Peterson, thank YOU for making these videos. It is a privilege to watch them. Love your sense of humor, and your musings. You would make a great neighbor.
"I hid those in the garbage" ... classic move, bold, yet brilliant...
Man’s got to do what a man’s got to do
Pete, you're a bolder man than I am....or is it foolish? Well, only if she finds out, lol.
I take it your wife does not watch your videos?
lol, funny sheet mahn
Made me laugh out loud lol
05:10 - To adjust your current you can simply utilize less sacrificial anodes. The charger always try to maintain 13 volts output, hence the current will mainly be set by the electrical resistance of the load, in this case the conductive bucket. By utilizing less anodes you lower the contact surface. The result is less current flow through. Test with 1, 2 or 3 anodes and you will see the current adjust accordingly. Nice video by the way. Thanks for sharing.
Mr pete you make my day. Its a shame people like you are no longer how society is now. A genuine person and just a humble man. Kudos to you sir. I wish u only the best.
Thank you very much
This man is absolutly BASED, knowledgeable and funny. Thanks for the video, i needed the info for a bike restoration, awesome!
Glad you enjoyed it!
MrPete "I needed a container just the right length, just the right size, but yet not to big. So I found this in my wife's walk in closet, she must have 50 pairs of shoes'"! "I took out an old pair of shoes and hid them in the garbage!!!!!"
Classic!!!
Liked!!
I hope you are well Mr Pete and thank you for the content.
"Ads are all lies...remember that..." Another great quote from tubalcain!
You never make them to scientific. That is the whole reason why I watch your videos because you explain and go into detail.
Mr Pete, I'm sure you know all this but for those that don't: The anode is positive and cathode is the negative electrode. The reaction at the anode is oxidation and that at the cathode is reduction.( direct current flows from negative to positive) if your amps are too high just remove some of the plates you have in there, in your case the plates are the anodes, the current flow can also be reduced by reducing the strength of your electrolysis solution. that's also the reason for the reduction in current flow over time, as the solution gets weaker by being contaminated.
I’m trying to set up a plastic 55 barrel that I cut to only have the bottom section that is about 16 inches high.
I got a car rim in it soaking in vinegar.
I want to do electrolysis but was wondering if I can just put the negative connection on the rim that is sticking out of the vinegar solution as the top part is sticking out by 1 inch and the positive in the vinegar so the rim ?
Also not sure on amperage I would need ?
I was given an old rifle that must have been stored under a barn. Dirty and covered with surface rust. I reviewed your many electrolysis videos and gave it a shot. Worked great! Took off all the surface rust and cleaned out most of the pitted parts without damaging what was left of the bluing. Thanks for all of your video lessons and teaching me something new and useful!
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I just discovered your videos and just adore them!! Thanks for being Mr. Scientist for us and giving such sage advice...I'll keep watching!!! Blessings.
Thank you very much for the wonderful encouragement
6:50 "...toes that were so pointed you coulda killed a cockroach in a corner". Tubalcain, you just made my day! LMAO
That talk makes me walk like a camel.
thelastofthemartians then he says I hid them in the garbage. 😂😂
Hahaha I read that literally as he said it
He kinda sounded like rory d Mercer when he said that. If you don't know him look him up on TH-cam
Dang, Tubelcain I've got the exact same Craftsman battery charger. I bought mine new some 30+ years ago & it's still going strong!
Thank you Sir for showing us all, and in great detail, this wicked way to get rid of rust. I’m hitting the shops let me tell ya for supplies. Keep up the awesome work mate.
Thanks
Hi Lyle, you'll find higher current will work much faster and usually with a better result. A DC arc welder will have the same job done in about an hour.
The way he said “I had to break it up with a sledgehammer” cracked me up. 😅😅
Enjoying your de-rusting videos. I liked the description of the shoes you found in that box :o)
You would enjoy doing some diy aluminium anodising Mr.Pete - it's not a million miles from your electrolysis experiments - I did some and was pretty pleased with how easy it turned out to be .... Dave in the UK
Hi Mr. Pete. In the plating process, the part that gives up metal is the anode, the part being plated is the cathode. The part getting smaller is the anode, think the sacrificial anode on a boat or water heater. So I suggest your plates are the cathodes and your wrench is the anode, because the rust is leaving the wrench and is being deposited on to the metal plates.
FYI, your workpiece turned black likely because you used tap water instead of distilled water. Tap water contains a lot of minerals and contaminants which will split from the water and stick to whatever you have connected to the negative terminal. Try it next time with distilled and you should get better results!
Hello Tubalcain,
I really do enjoy your many teachings and I especially appreciate your acquired valuable knowledge.
QUESTION :
Do you know of any experiments that combine vinegar, soda and the electrolysis rust removal method? (Both methods combined, like vinegar substituted for water with the electrolysis method)
i have tried the vinegar soak and the water, soda and battery charger "Electrolysis" and each method produces roughly the same results in about the same amount of time.
I don't wish to blow myself up if I try it so I thought I would run it by your viewers and especially yourself.
Thanks in advance to any and all responses,
Warren Carlisle
I regularly watch your videos, and they are always educational and entertaining, but this one had me chuckling all the time. I'm only in my late 30's but I still get pe'ed off with all the childproof/locking containers and seals - especially the ones that have tags that break off. I don't have many rusting tools but I might just have a hunt and do some experiments now!
I hope your wife appreciated the shoe purge ;)
Dredging up some long dead posts. Never seen this guys channel. Hope he’s still alive and tubin all the you’s. He reminds me of my grandpa and it’s bromance at first sight. Er were it first sound? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But to the reason why I’m commenting in reply to your specific comment…. The childproof locks and seals on containers were largely a knee jerk reaction to the Tylenol poisonings in, I believe, the early 1980s. Iirc 3ish people died. I think it was like ‘81 and I had barely evolved past cum. But some asshole thought it would be cool to stroll into pharmacies, crack open random Tylenol bottles, and swap the meds with poison. Or something like that. For sure he didn’t work for Tylenol (let’s face it. It was definitely a dude. Proto incel moves.) I also think he wasn’t caught. So people got really freaked and Tylenol came up with these safety features to reassure customers. Cuz they lost a freaking fortune. At least they had their lives I guess. But what a dick!
very informative, funny, and interesting!
That was a good test. Thanks...
THANK YOU...for sharing.
You crack me up! Thanks for the video Pete!
I'm glad you like my videos
Cant get enough of these wonderful videos!
Really enjoyed this video series m
I like seeing how well these old couples get along in a marriage. I wish them many more years
Thanks for the hilarious commentary. Great video. 😂👍🏻
Thanks
Sorry I’m late just seen your video.
Question how do you disgarg the old water solution ?
Is there a chemical or science way of removing the black gunk from pieces afterwards? I want to use this method on tools and instruments but many are delicate and/or have inaccessible surfaces.
Great video sir, thanks for the info and the laughs
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To use the term "daisy chain" is most interesting . The same terminology military combat engineers use for multiple connected electric circuits for detonating explosives . Thanks for a very nicely demonstrated video Mrpete222 and all the best .
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Your A Great Commentator!
great video Sir, thankyou
"Did you hear her jump?"
Thought for sure you were gonna say, "me neither." Lol
Thanks for the video,,Just to let you know, the kind of vinegar and the brand, does make a difference,,,
Pete.. You remind me so much of my grandfather. He was a master tool and die maker for Delco /Gm in Indiana.. You have the same temperament and personality! I still have his Atlas lathe, books and some tools.. Coolest thing of all is his text book from The Henry Ford Trade School apprenticeship.
Anyways, thanks for the videos!
That's awesome. I have the Ford book to
Thanks for the video. Im going to try the vinegar method
Thanks for the great videos. I have found that if the vinegar is hot, it accelerates the rust removal.
Heat accelerates most chemical reactions.
This guy is hilarious, i love it. He said i hid those in the garbage hahaha
Thank you sir, I got some laughs and I learned a lot.
lol
I believe the science is part of the video attraction. These / This kind of everyday science isn't taught in schools anymore.
I got taught this in science class but it never got applied to anything. If they taught me I could repair motorcycle and car parts with it, I'd probably have got better grades. Same with electrical equations; they were so boring and confusing in college but now I'm older and hairier it all makes sense.
This is the kind of hands on thing all schools should incorporate to get kids interested in science and chemistry
I'm back from the garage and I'm 3 minutes older.. That's clever funny..
I'm really getting a lot out of your videos, Tubalcain. and I want to thank you for them....I have noticed one thing though. If you keep raiding your wife's kitchen and closet for just the right size containers for your projects she's gonna take after you with the one item you haven't found a use for yet....Her rolling pin. LOL!!
I’m trying to set up a plastic 55 barrel that I cut to only have the bottom section that is about 16 inches high.
I got a car rim in it soaking in vinegar.
I want to do electrolysis but was wondering if I can just put the negative connection on the rim that is sticking out of the vinegar solution as the top part is sticking out by 1 inch and the positive in the vinegar so the rim ?
Also not sure on amperage I would need ?
George Bailey went from Christmas movies to youtube videos! It's a Wonderful Life...
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I use baking soda. It works because it’s a sodium. That’s why it works with the cleaning soda too. Never seen that stuff before here. Would borax added help too?
"I hid those in the garbage" Made my day even better than it was. Genuinely laffed out loud.
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“The toes were so pointed you could’ve killed a cockroach in a corner” 😂 one of the greatest lines I’ve ever heard!
lol
Question; what would happen if vinegar was used as the medium when using the electrolysis method?
Great video are you sure the two tools aren't made of two different grades of steel
Great Video Mr pete, Love your humor towards your wife's shoes.
I'm from Australia,& I swear your voice reminds me of Jimmy Stewart🤔
Thank you
Vinegar works great but is very slow. 24h with a few cleans. I use it for cleaning car radiators , and works perfectly. Flush it and make 2 cleans
thanks nice work Try electrolysis with salty water or vinegar as electrolyte .
Love it! Yeah we kinda get annoyed after awhile !
"My wife, she must have 50 pairs of shoes." +1 that instantly gained my LIKE. :D
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I don't mind the elbow grease and not much is involved with just letting some parts soak for a couple days at most, but, I won't go to the trouble of electrolysis. I've heard people mention about neutralizing this and neutralizing that and I say bullstickery to neutralizing white vinegar. I stick my hands into the soaking bin and grab a part, I scrub it well with a wire brush of sorts, then rinse with water while scrubbing again, rinse and blow the part dry with my air compressor. BUT, I would never want to wire brush a raw dry rusty part as I know not all rust will come off.
I've done the Muratic acid 50/50 and loved the results but never leave the parts soaking for longer than an hour or two. You may have to neutralize Muratic acid though. I never did other than a good water bath and scrubbing ( and yes, I wore gloves). I've since been turned onto White Vinegar and will never go back to anything else as I know white vinegar can not harm your metal, anyway within reason and none that I know of out of all the tests I've seen done and a few of my own. I would not be afraid to drop a rusty wrench into white vinegar for a month even, maybe a year if I wasn't needing it LOL.
Scrubbing after a white vinegar bath is rather enjoyable for me as I clearly see the improvements, and after a scrubbing, if I see any sign of rust, I toss the part back in the bucket for another 24 hours or so with worry. I will ONLY use my white vinegar solution twice, before dumping the old stuff on some weeds next to my yard. I love it! Great weed killer too! You can dispose of the stuff anyway you wish as it's a natural biodegradable product and it's so cheap, refresh your soaking bucket anytime you wish! I'm currently redoing the disc brake system on the back of my Monster SUV and I've done the rotors and they look like new now, and I just painted the caliper brackets with Rustoleum gloss black with perfect positive results and w/NO neutralization!!!
A STRANGE THING TODAY though, after seeing that my parts needed to soak another night yesterday, I tossed the last caliper bracket into the bucket for another round or soaking over night. They appeared to be zinc plated also from what I uncovered after a good brushing. Both brackets actually needed a second night of soaking which I found strange but oh well. When I brought my last part out of it's bath today, it appeared to have spots of a copper coating starting and i wonder if copper is used in Zinc. It washed/brushed off just fine, leaving a nice beautiful shiny rust free zinc looking coating left behind which I did spray with black gloss Rustoleum and I love the results. I will save my battery chargers for what they were meant for. WHITE VINEGAR ROCKS, and so do you MrPete222!!
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Amazing piece of science !
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if you want to drop amperage put a light in series thanks for the videos
I got my setup with a charger but for some reason when I get everything set up the amperage shows 0.
I tried the charger on a battery and the amperage gauge will work.
When I hook it up to the sacrificial piece of metal and to my rim the amperage dose t move. Stays at 0
Gidday Mr Peterson. I see you use white vinegar. Downunder ive used malt vinegar bout the same as molasses.
Has phosphoric acid been outlawed in Illinois?
vinegar and salt with electrolysis works way good..! give it a try !
Could not find washing soda used laundry powder works just fine think the soap removes any oil
Need a laboratory grade scale....
That's a whole different class of auction, Mr Pete!
its so cool ime gona try this in Sweden to, its so simple to remove rust whit the right tools
Thanks
What happens if you touch the water while its derusting?
Interesting....I wish I know about this method before I reworked my old Atlas 410F lathe
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Will electrolysis work on limescale
Can electrolysis be done with vinegar? Just a thought.
Why woud the AMPs on the charger go down during the process?
How many volts is that charger outputting with no battery hooked up? I bet 6.
Can you do electrolysis and vinegar at the same time?
so mote it be
nice use of tools ~
Appreciate the video! I would like to add a really useful tip for the vinegar after taking the rust off. Instead of disposing of the used vinegar you can use it for wood stain. I have tried it myself on my wife's side table and it turned out rather well. Also, note that if you do this to do a test piece because there will be different variations of darkness or tint depending on the amount of rust and metal accumulated and in addition with that; give it some time to dry on your test piece because I have had the tint change dramatically after it had dryed- it got quite a bit darker.
Positive Endeavors
Sincerely,
Patrick Mulcahy
I have tried the Vinegar treatment many many times and I am unimpressed with the results and it takes forever to do it's thing. also you have the awful black coating on the tools that is a real pain to get it all removed especially in cracks and crevices. Electrolysis is the way to go and you will be happy with the results it gives. Way more fun too~! 😆😄😁👍
I read somewhere to add kosher salt to the vinegar for better results.
Try Using the vinigar via electrolysis removes much faster ,you can chrome plate with it as well , good video sir by the way
Does the work piece have to be suspended?
I have a 30 amp 12 volt power supply, I figured that's going to be too much amperage so that won't work. I'm removing rust off motorcycle parts and need a trickle charger for the bike anyway will my trickle charger work for this?
The trickle charge will probably work but take much longer
Can you do both? Electrolysis inside vinegar?
I am having trouble finding an old battery charger, the newer ones with automatic shutoff does not work. I will get a check battery light to come on, and then the current stops. Is there something else that I could use as a replacement? - a type of rheostat or something. I guess I need something with between 2-6 amps... and would the needed current be DC or AC? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Dc only. Find a used older charger
I hid those in the garbage....LMAO!!! New sub just because of that comment! Great video
Thanks
When he said "These are worthless", I was half expecting him to smash them up like he did the wagon.
Vinegar, acetic as you call it, is ethanoic acid, it works great in 3 weeks, as its a weak acid it works on rust more than base metal.
Using the food grade vinegar is the issue. You need the cleaning or 10% vinegar. That does indeed work.
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Why not use white vinegar as the electrolyte instead of the washing powder????
What’s wrong with higher amp output, it’s Quicker!.
Also apple cider vinegar is a bit stronger in acidity - im told theres a special "cleaning vinegar" that's stronger yet but hard to find - do you have any information on this special cleaning vinegar-? Question: how would it be to use vinegar along with electrolysis, would it work even better or just make a lot of toxic gas-??
30% industrial vinegar
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I have used white vinegar a few times now but still need to try electrolysis. Has anyone used molasses? I have heard it works well but don't know where you would get a large container of molasses these days. My grandfather always used a waste product of cheese-making; he would go to the cheese factory (which is long-gone) and get a barrel of the stuff for free to soak his rusty parts in. Supposedly it worked great.
I wonder if it was an acidic solution.
this is the future. carbon fiber brush electrolytic cleaning.. great for stainless but it needs to be perfected for mill scale on mild steel
try electrolysis IN vinrgar
caustic soda Ok?? i cant find washing soda,, iam in sri lanka,,
Wonderfull just like in science class
I think I actually shat myself watching him reach for the live positive electrode.
Good Job. I think you should have taken each sample out, rinsed, do some minor brush scrubbing; then show what they job looked like, cleaned up. Typically , you would lightly oil or protect the parts now "raw metal / iron rust "flash over" that can happen in literally minutes when exposed to Oxygen. OIl, paint, etc. Good American - Sharing Knowledge To All.
Thank you for sharing your work, love the High Heal shoes description. I have started working out how to do this work and yours and well explained. Have you ever tried adding power to the vinegar to see if it will do better, the washing soda looks to be the best way by far. I want to do many small bolts before i try zinc coating them have you any suggestion on how to wire them. I used Hydrochloric acid and it cleaned very quickly a single bolt however it seemed very dangerous.
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you sound a lot like Jimmy Stewart! great video
Thank you, I take that as a complement every time someone says that