I bought a bit too much coffee and watched as the needed grind setting got finer and finer to the point where I bottomed out my grinder as the beans aged. So a pressurized basket is great to have around in the event you can't use beans before they get a little old.
Great video. I have the same machine, and currently using preground grinders coffee (a good brand). If I'm using this instead of fresh ground beans, the machine manual says to use the dual wall. Is there any reason not to use the non pressurized instead?
The decision comes down to grind size. If you have the typical pre-ground grind size (aka ground for a drip coffee machine), then use a pressurized basket. If it’s ground fine enough try the non-pressurized. My guess is the pressurized will work better, and non-pressurized will flow quickly and taste very watery, weak, and sour. A good experiment is to make an espresso with each basket and compare the results! That’s the best way to learn.
I was trying to make a great espresso with my Sage/Breville Dual Boiler and best Sage/Breville grinder for almost 2 years. Lost hundreds of hours and dozens kg of different beans (with lab. scale, stopwatches, leveling tools, great tampers, etc...) but the final shot always taste horrible (Mix of sour, harsh, dry, bitter, astringent,...). When I went back to the pressurized basket I can make every shot perfect (nicely balanced bitterness and sweetness, just smooth coffee). Sure, I have to set optimal temperature, grind and time (depending on coffee type, brand, roast) to get perfect taste, but I can get it and enjoy it every day. With single wall baskets it was only frustration.
@@craftcoffeespot Sage/Breville BCG820 Smart grinder PRO. I also tested many local and expensive roasters but quality was horrible too. Very inconsistent. One batch sour, next burnt. Some shots were almost drinkable, but my tongue and stomach are very sensitive and I don’t have enough time and money and energy to make drinkable espresso at home. Many roasters are making hipster’s light roasts and this is another temporary nonsense. At this time I ended with ordinary Tchibo Barista espresso and pressurized basket and I’m fine. I know it sounds crazy but it’s just a fact.
Im using a cheap-ish melitta grinder and a casabrews 3700 espresso machine. I think I’m going to continue with the pressurised basket as my equipment is pretty low end. Single walls tend to give me a sour espresso every time.
AWESOME information. Thank you sooooo much. I was trying to use the pressurized basket with my espresso grinder (Estte) machine on my new Breville. Couldn't get it to come out correctly at all. The non pressurized made a world of difference! Still trying to dial it in. frustrating at times to be honest. 🙂You're a very smart man! Ever think of selling any of Breville machines? I would be interested in buying one of yours that just sits there not being used, like the pro or touch. I also just joined your blog/website
Very good video, mu only complaint is that you compared the pressurized basket with a courser grind. Could the difference in taste be the grind and not the basket?
The reason I ground coarser is because the pressurized basket would clog on the fine grind! You may very well be right (good question), but you can’t physically grind as fine with one hole.
Thanks for this 👍. I'm a total espresso newb and am using pre-ground coffee and a pressurised basket. Is there any point in getting a non-pressurised basket if you're not grinding your own beans? I don't have a grinder btw. Or to put it another way - if you just use pre-ground, would getting a non-pressurised basket be pointless? I think I might be getting confused 🤤
If you use standard pre-ground coffee, use a pressurized basket always. The espresso will come out like water (bad water at that) on a non-pressurized basket, as the typical pre-ground is too coarse to generate any pressure on a single wall (non-pressurized) basket. This assumes the typical pre-ground size that’s meant for a drip coffee machine. If you get an extra fine grind on the pre-ground, that could work on a non-pressurized. But then again, a pressurized will be more forgiving, so I suggest sticking with it.
Very interesting. So maybe I can use a pre-grinded coffee which is the same that I use for my Moka Pot and put it into the pressurized basket and have a good espresso with such a machine? That's just a string point to buy it 😁
great video - really like the clear presentation and love that you are not being snobbish about using pressurised baskets! I'm a total newbie to all of this and have a Sage also ... I will start with pressurised for sure. I've got a manual Timemore grinder on the way so I'm thinking this combined with a pressurised basket will deliver a quite decent cup of coffee. I drink lattes - so always add milk to the espresso and I'm curious to know if the standard baskets will yield a significant improvement for me. If so, it's something I would consider in future.
Yes, it will still be significant. Once you get comfortable with the pressurized basket, make the switch to non-pressurized and you will notice. I just find the non-pressurized coffee more satisfying, and more caffeine imo.
What settings should I use for a Breville Touch fora non pressurized basket? Grind settings, how much coffee and how long to brew it? Cause every time I use a non pressurized it comes out too watery. Thanks in advance.
In my view , naked portafilters are not the right way to go with pressurized baskets , that is why this mess happened in extraction , instead the non naked should be used and it delivers acceptable shots in my opinion
We only used a naked portafilter to show how a pressurized basket work. Agree there’d be less mess with a spouted portafilter and should use that. It won’t change the taste though.
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Thank you! I can't afford a decent grinder yet so am having to use pre-ground espresso which does not work in a bottomless filter! Saving my pennies.
@@marksmith7789 nothing wrong with a pressurized basket
Thanks a lot, man! That was very helpful!
I bought a bit too much coffee and watched as the needed grind setting got finer and finer to the point where I bottomed out my grinder as the beans aged. So a pressurized basket is great to have around in the event you can't use beans before they get a little old.
Great video. I have the same machine, and currently using preground grinders coffee (a good brand). If I'm using this instead of fresh ground beans, the machine manual says to use the dual wall. Is there any reason not to use the non pressurized instead?
The decision comes down to grind size. If you have the typical pre-ground grind size (aka ground for a drip coffee machine), then use a pressurized basket. If it’s ground fine enough try the non-pressurized. My guess is the pressurized will work better, and non-pressurized will flow quickly and taste very watery, weak, and sour.
A good experiment is to make an espresso with each basket and compare the results! That’s the best way to learn.
I was trying to make a great espresso with my Sage/Breville Dual Boiler and best Sage/Breville grinder for almost 2 years. Lost hundreds of hours and dozens kg of different beans (with lab. scale, stopwatches, leveling tools, great tampers, etc...) but the final shot always taste horrible (Mix of sour, harsh, dry, bitter, astringent,...). When I went back to the pressurized basket I can make every shot perfect (nicely balanced bitterness and sweetness, just smooth coffee). Sure, I have to set optimal temperature, grind and time (depending on coffee type, brand, roast) to get perfect taste, but I can get it and enjoy it every day. With single wall baskets it was only frustration.
You do what works for you. What grinder were you using?
@@craftcoffeespot Sage/Breville BCG820 Smart grinder PRO. I also tested many local and expensive roasters but quality was horrible too. Very inconsistent. One batch sour, next burnt. Some shots were almost drinkable, but my tongue and stomach are very sensitive and I don’t have enough time and money and energy to make drinkable espresso at home. Many roasters are making hipster’s light roasts and this is another temporary nonsense. At this time I ended with ordinary Tchibo Barista espresso and pressurized basket and I’m fine. I know it sounds crazy but it’s just a fact.
@@johnwet6969 Interesting. If it works for you, I'm all for it. Agree on the light roasts - acidity is rough for my stomach as well.
Im using a cheap-ish melitta grinder and a casabrews 3700 espresso machine. I think I’m going to continue with the pressurised basket as my equipment is pretty low end. Single walls tend to give me a sour espresso every time.
Is it best to use a non pressurized or pressurized basket for flushing the machine? Thanks ;)
Doesn’t matter either :)
AWESOME information. Thank you sooooo much. I was trying to use the pressurized basket with my espresso grinder (Estte) machine on my new Breville. Couldn't get it to come out correctly at all. The non pressurized made a world of difference! Still trying to dial it in. frustrating at times to be honest. 🙂You're a very smart man! Ever think of selling any of Breville machines? I would be interested in buying one of yours that just sits there not being used, like the pro or touch. I also just joined your blog/website
Thank you I'm so new to this
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Very good video, mu only complaint is that you compared the pressurized basket with a courser grind. Could the difference in taste be the grind and not the basket?
The reason I ground coarser is because the pressurized basket would clog on the fine grind! You may very well be right (good question), but you can’t physically grind as fine with one hole.
Thanks for this 👍. I'm a total espresso newb and am using pre-ground coffee and a pressurised basket. Is there any point in getting a non-pressurised basket if you're not grinding your own beans? I don't have a grinder btw. Or to put it another way - if you just use pre-ground, would getting a non-pressurised basket be pointless? I think I might be getting confused 🤤
If you use standard pre-ground coffee, use a pressurized basket always. The espresso will come out like water (bad water at that) on a non-pressurized basket, as the typical pre-ground is too coarse to generate any pressure on a single wall (non-pressurized) basket.
This assumes the typical pre-ground size that’s meant for a drip coffee machine. If you get an extra fine grind on the pre-ground, that could work on a non-pressurized. But then again, a pressurized will be more forgiving, so I suggest sticking with it.
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Very interesting. So maybe I can use a pre-grinded coffee which is the same that I use for my Moka Pot and put it into the pressurized basket and have a good espresso with such a machine? That's just a string point to buy it 😁
@@perseus9968 I wouldn’t grind as fine as a moka pot. But you can use pre-ground coffee for it.
great video - really like the clear presentation and love that you are not being snobbish about using pressurised baskets! I'm a total newbie to all of this and have a Sage also ... I will start with pressurised for sure. I've got a manual Timemore grinder on the way so I'm thinking this combined with a pressurised basket will deliver a quite decent cup of coffee.
I drink lattes - so always add milk to the espresso and I'm curious to know if the standard baskets will yield a significant improvement for me. If so, it's something I would consider in future.
Yes, it will still be significant. Once you get comfortable with the pressurized basket, make the switch to non-pressurized and you will notice. I just find the non-pressurized coffee more satisfying, and more caffeine imo.
What settings should I use for a Breville Touch fora non pressurized basket? Grind settings, how much coffee and how long to brew it? Cause every time I use a non pressurized it comes out too watery. Thanks in advance.
with pressurize baskets i tend to do ristrettos to keep it "dense" if that makes any sense and the flavors get very close to non-pressurize
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Informative, thank you.
from grind size of 9 to 20; is that typical adjustment?
Not at all. But, it shows how big of a change can be made between the two types of portafilters.
Is a pressurised basket best for small amounts of ground coffee?
@@mlieb5202 yes, I’d choose pressurized for small amounts. The single cup basket is always tricky.
In my view , naked portafilters are not the right way to go with pressurized baskets , that is why this mess happened in extraction , instead the non naked should be used and it delivers acceptable shots in my opinion
We only used a naked portafilter to show how a pressurized basket work. Agree there’d be less mess with a spouted portafilter and should use that. It won’t change the taste though.