DELONGHI DEDICA EC685 HACK: GET the BEST Espresso with STANDARD Basket!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Here I revisit my experiment of comparing double walled pressurized baskets versus conventional baskets in an EC680 by Delonghi Dedica. The results are just awesome with a good basket!
Make sure to get or make a bottomless portafilter to see the extraction, and a proper tamper as well for your puck preparation.
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Chapters:
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0:12 Baskets
1:44 Eureka Mignon Specialita Grinder
2:30 Pressurized Extraction
3:45 Tamper close-up
4:15 Non-Pressurized Extraction
5:00 Comparison and taste test
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did you use the standard presure of the machine? need to adjust to 9 bars first?
hi tom
great video
what number do you put on your specialita grinder ?
for a expression créma on dedica
thanks
That's amazing. It goes to show that sometimes the standard equipment is best.
I am using this machine for about 2 weeks and is very good !
Awesome, glad you like it! 😉
That looks so good!!!!!
Thanks, just got my new pasket delivered makes this machine even better!
Awesome, happy to hear it!
Great videos! Thank you Tom!
Thanks for watching!
I've got a Dedica with the removable filter insert in the pressurised basket. So I just removed the insert, drilled a 5mm hole through where the really small hole was and then replaced the filter insert. Put the basket back in the handle and then in the machine and it worked OK but completely differently from before. I'll post separately on what I did after, which is a lot, but one thing I noticed straightaway is that it is much, much easier to get the used coffee puck (is that the word?) out of the basket. I've got a knock-box with the bar across to receive the used grounds but sometimes I had to hit it so hard that the basket jumped out of the handle. Now that I've drilled out the hole the puck (let's call it that) comes out with just a tap on the bar. I'm sure it's the change of pressurised to non-pressurised that has made the difference because another basket from an alternative supplier behaved exactly the same.
What is irritating that I have no explanation of what is occurring, in fact it seems counter-intuitive to me.
Hey Chris! I find that the Dedica knocks out super clean with any unpressurized basket. It is a dream. But I think it is a combination of that and the Dedica not having a 3 way solenoid to release pressure on the puck after extraction. My Gaggia for example does have a 3 way solenoid, and the pucks seldom knock out cleanly. For sure, it also has to do with coffee amount, tamping, and potential surface materials of the basket.
Great videos mate :))
Thanks a lot, Aaron! Cheers! ☕️
Wow, this guy is amazing!!! So much FREE knowledge that he gives to any & all peoples 👏👏👏😇
Hey, thank you so much for those kind words, Terri! I do appreciate your watching and commenting, and hope it was helpful! 😉 🙋🏼♂️
Great video, and very informative! Thank you. With the non pressurized basket are you still using the original Delonghi handle??
Yes, but I cut the bottom off. I have another video about that too. Cheers!
Hi Tom, I’m loving your content, it’s helping me a lot to decide! I wanted to ask, if I buy the dedica and decide to wait a bit to get a bottomless portafilter, can I take out the plastic from the original delonghi portafilter and put a non-pressurised filter on it? Would you recommend it?
Yes, that will work.
Hi Tom, thanks for the helpful video. I'm a little concerned about the hot liquid on the plastic. I'm wondering, is there a way to use this machine without the hot liquid going through plastic?
Hi there! Sure, you could just remove the plastic insert, or buy a bottomless PF (which often come with baskets). Check the description for some suggestions. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I would also like to keep the pressurised portafilter, but I would love to either replace that plastic insert with a stainless steel one or get a pressurized portafilter with all metal inside.
Is there any such option?
Great video, Cheers from London England 👍😎🏴🇬🇧
Very nice! Glad to hear your feedback! Greetings from Germany! 🇩🇪 😉
What is the function of pressurized filters?
Hello Tom,
I search for the best quality Bottomless Portafilter in wood or black handle & Premium Basket for my new Dedica ARTE EC885M i bought in Canada, what is your suggestion & link for my model? Danke
Great video as always. I have a Graef CM 702 and I am looking for another grinder. Should I go with Eureka mingon or a second hand Mazzer Super Jolly that I have found very cheap?
Eureka Mignon series is great! The SJ is also nice, but a beast, and you shouldn't underestimate the space it requires. It will also have likely more retention than a smaller grinder like the Mignon.
Hi Tom, once I take out the plastic piece from the original portafilter, would I be able to put it back in if later u decide to use the original again? Another question about the cable tie on the frothing wand, if i decided to use the outter piece again, do i have to first remove the cable tie or i can simply just apply the outter piece and froth milk with it?
Hi there! Sure, you can put the plastic insert back in, anytime. The cable tie will need to be cut off, for the panarello to fit back on. Cheers!
Hi Tom, I have just bought the new dedica arte machine and I'm wondering if the IMS basket can fit to the stock portafilter?
The Normcore portafilter in your description is $112 AUD over here so it's a bit too pricy for me.
Hi there! Yes, if you remove the plastic insert, then it will fit. But if you want a cheaper bottomless PF , you could try this one: amzn.to/3OQamTe
Additionally, you could just cut the bottom off the OEM one, with a hacksaw. Cheers!
Thanks for the great video! Few days ago I bought an EC785, which is a sibling of this one, literally just different colors, and with a great tamper. I just realized the pressurized busket which comes woth the machine can't fit 14gr of coffee, is it possible? If I heard well, you've mentioned that in the video. How many can it fit? 12-13? Thanks again!
Hi Maro! In the pressurized one, it can probably fit 12-13 grams. You can fit more in the non pressurized ones. Just look in the description box for some suggestions. Cheers!
Thanks for the nice video comparing the 2 baskets. I was wondering if we could replace the non-pressurized strainer (the one from your link - cheap but good) with the original basket/filter(s) without sawing/taking out the bottom part of the factory portafilter?
Also, any suggestion to get a milk forther that can perform better? **** no worry, I have already found your other video about Rancilio steam wand. Thanks.
Hey Arthur, well the problem is that you'd have to take out the black plastic piece of the original portafilter, in order to get the aftermarket basket to fit. Then, you'd have espresso coming out of 3 holes. It's just nicer to saw the bottom off, so that you can evaluate your puck preparation. Thanks for the question!
Oh, and they recently released an EC885, which should have a better steaming wand. 😉
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks. Is there any alternative for descaling as I have tried vinegar + water but it still has that orange light blinking and the steam is not consistent? The wand of EC885 looks pro but the price seems double.
@@arthuryu1905 Hey Arthur, yes the EC885 is more expensive - but it is also a new model. I would recommend the DeLonghi descaler. The light should turn off however, as soon as the process has been finished. Did you rinse twice?
Tom's Coffee Corner I guess so, however, I will try again. Cheers.
I've got an upgrade from my aincient delonghi bar 14 to 685 recently (yes, it lasted THAT long, and it's still operational, in fact 8P), and I did not really like that new double-deck-basket. I tried to use my former original one, and it was fitting. It holds in there, and it brews ok. Although it seems that 685 has lower "shower lid", and the level of the tamped coffe should be lower (otherwise pf won't even lock in place). I'm considering screwing out the plastic nuzzles for now, because all they do is break my crema (and annoy me with the fact that they are plastic).
Hi, Thanks for that video.
Can you please recommend on a filter holder for that aftermarket filter you suggested for Delonghi Dedica?
Hey Dole! Sure I can do that. I don't know if you are in Europe or the Americas, but I put a couple of links in the description.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
-T
Hi and thanks for the video, question: which dial are you using to grind with the Eureka Mignon Specilita and how much coffee are you using, 14gr? In you opinion in a single 51mm basket how much coffee I should use: 10gr?
Hey Luca! Check out this video for dialing in the Specialita: th-cam.com/video/RLdQXlhUX8M/w-d-xo.html
For a single, I would use 7-8 grams, but it depends on the basket. Cheers!
Hi again Tom. I tried to use your links but I'm in Portugal using Amazon Spain. I did fine a few choices for a non-pressurized filter basket compatible with the Delonghi EC685...the one I picked on that website won't get her until mid-November to early December. So have to go back and see if I can find another with a quicker delivery as I have 30 days to try out this machine before it goes back to the store. Thank you for any additional thoughts you may have.
Hi there! The best one is the Normcore, and it comes with a basket, but it is expensive: amzn.to/3zvqJMu
Otherwise, I am afraid it's mostly no name portafilters. You could try something like this, and send it back if you don't like it...
amzn.to/3TTTDxV
Cheers, Tom
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Greetings Tom and thanks for the reply...i appreciate it! I tried searching for the one you suggested but it doesn't come up on the Amazon Spain site. I'll try Germany. Amazon germany does sell a choice that gets good marks but doesn't ship to Portugal (and 70 euro)! while this one i'm sharing the link for below is one of the only versions i find available for Portugal...and partly because i always make a double expresso. There are a few other choices but they often only come with a single shot basket. i did mistakenly buy just the filter and would have to get out tools to make it fit I don't have (and ingenuity)! So this linked one seems to be "the choice" and will take its time arriving. I had a long phone call recently with a Delonghi rep and am pulling better shots now even with what Delonghi provides (however the coffee grounds are staying stuck in the machine in one clump when I remove the filter holder probably because i'm squeezing those 14 grams into the basket when it really only may take 12g or so?? Guess i have to modify until the new filter arrives...and is a "three ear" the right choice? I'm believing "ears" relate to the metal tabs on the edge of the filter holder itself? Lots of new learning. The dedica ec685 model is listed with the three ear version...thanks again and let me know if you have any other ideas Tom.
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@@be.see.know.527 Hi there. The link you posted IS for the Neouza on the Spain site. So, that would be the best option. And yes, it has 3 tabs, or ears, whatever semantic you want to use. ;)
Thanks very much Tom. I did order it and it will get her eventually (from China) tho the DeLonghi rep let me know their machines are also made in China (with an Italian flare)! :) I added the flare part. hahahh
@@be.see.know.527 it shows on my Amazon Spain, I’m a Spanish living in Lisbon. It just doesn’t deliver this item (and others from Normcore) to Portugal.
So basically if i cut the bottom or buy a bottomless filter the coffee is that much better?
Also for this i would need a grinder as well right?
And btw really great videos and unbiased opinion. Keep going!
Thanks much for the feedback! Well, with the bottomless, you can evaluate your shots. And I would suggest an IMS H26 basket (check description of video).
But yes, you will need a capable grinder, and some nice fresh beans, too.
Hi Tom, Did you measure pressure when you use bottomless portafilter with EC680? I wonder if it can reduce from 15 to 9 bar. Thanks!
It won't go up to max pressure unless you grind too fine. I put a manometer in line, and I can get 8-10 bars by just grinding appropriately. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Then I'm satisfied with my setup now. I use Varia VS3 with EC685 and i think my shot is really nice better than previous grinder. I thought i plan to move to GCP coz of 9 bar spring mod but now i changed my mind coz of your reply. Next plan is to get IMS basket and shower. Cheers!
With larger pressurised basket and larger aftermarket basket, are you using the same amount of grind in each for double shot? Or does it change because of the pressurisation?
Additionally, if you are using a larger basket instead of the smaller basket, for both pressurised and aftermarket grouphead.. would you advise the same ratio for grind if pushing single shot button? or will the grind amount be less/basket size change to the smaller basket?
Hi there, I just always weigh out my doses, and espresso. I go for 16 grams in, 32 grams out. It depends a little on the size of the basket. The included pressurized baskets can only fit 12-14 grams. You need to leave enough room to properly tamp. But yes, the ratio should be about the same, whether a single or double shot. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCornerhi bro what does ratio of 2 to 1 mean like ‘16 gram in, 32 gram out’ please explain. One more is there a specific setting for grind because you mentioned too fine can choke, too coarse machine finish under 10 seconds. What is fine setting like the numbers of the fine.
Tom, I am used to 8g dose (dark robusta). Should I buy H24(15-17g) or even H22(11-15g) instead of H26(16-18g)?
If you want just 8 grams, then I'd suggest a single basket. Here's an example: amzn.to/3PiLu63 (affiliate link)
What's the correct grind setting for Eureka Mignon to use with this machine and bottomless basket?
This vid could help. Dialing in your Eureka Specialita: th-cam.com/video/RLdQXlhUX8M/w-d-xo.html
Hey! I love your videos. I just got today the Delonghi 885. And I also got a puck screen. But I see you don't use it. Why you don't use a puck screen in the portafilter?
I don’t feel it’s necessary. It helps distribute the water better, in particular, when you have a bad shower screen. But the Dedica comes with a pretty good shower screen in my opinion.
Great video, thank you! May I ask what is the diameter of the tamper you are using?
Hey there, it's 51mm. Cheers!
I recently got a Delonghi Le Specialita Arte. The two baskets included with the machine don't have a single hole at the bottom. I can see a matrix of many holes from both sides. Are these non-pressurised baskets?
Yes, these are! 👍
hello, i bought the dedicated delonghi and everything works ok, i have a question, which single basket can you recommend for this machine? Thank you.I saw a 51 mm LA PAVONI, do you think it is compatible? Thanks
Try this one:
► Graef Single and Double Basket Set:
🇩🇪 amzn.to/36AD0Ut
🇪🇺 geni.us/GraefSiebe (EU/AU global link)
Do you know if the sage dose control can grind fine enough for a bottomless portafilter on this machine?
Hey Cassy, I would guess so, yes. This seems to have been developed for espresso, namely for the Sage machines, which work with non-pressurized baskets. Cheers!
Hi Tom, is the after market single wall basket compatible with the original EC685 portafilter?
Yes, you just have to remove the plastic insert.
Hey Tom, great video. Would the aftermarket non pressurized basket work on the new Delonghi dedica ec885? Cheers Jake
Hey Jake, yes the EC885's brew group is exactly the same as the EC685, at 51mm. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks for the quick response. I know you wanted to know my thoughts on the ec885 machine. Believe it or not, I'm still learning & getting used to it.
BTW any idea on why this happens... I did too a short vid to demo. The coffee sort of drips out. I don't remember it being this bad when using this preground coffee before. Thanks in advance 😊
th-cam.com/users/shortskr9rzIKl7dE?feature=share
Hi, Tom
I bought a NEOUZA bottomless portafilter, struggling a little bit with grind size, but that will come right with practice. My main problem is that when the shot is extracting, the portafilter moves around in the group head and actually turns far enough to pop out of the group head. Using a dedica ec685. Any ideas as to why this may happen or how I can fix it?
Hi Steven, I have heard of this happening, but never experienced it myself. I have 2 Neouzas, and no issues. You may need to think about changing the group head gasket...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks, Tom. I'll give that a go. I am using a Delonghi KG79 grinder. I don't think it's grinding fine enough. Still spitting all over the place too.
I've recently bought a Dedica and bought a bottomless portafilter and non pressurised basked to uprade it. However I've quickly realised my grinder is perhaps not good enough to make refined espresso without the pressurised basket. I have some questions:For the pressurised basket, what ratio should the espresso be and does it matter about how long it takes to pull the shot? Also can you recommend a good entry level coffee grinder for good espresso without the pressurised basket?
Hi David! Try for a 2:1 ratio in about 25 seconds. So 14 grams for a double in, and 28-30 grams out. I have added a grinder suggestion to this video's description, but here it is as well: kit.co/tomscoffeecorner/grinder-suggestions
You're the man Tom!
Sorry, just wanted to double check the guidance was for the pressurised? 14g seems like a lot for the pressurised double basket.
@@DELTASierra-13 14 g fits, but should be coarser.
I use the 1zpresso jx-pro grinder. It's a handgrinder but grinds perfectly and is cheaper then an automatic grinder of the same quality.
Been using this coffee machine for about a week and i’m rather impressed with it, I’ve just got a aftermarket portafilter like your one, how fine are you coffee beans? Also what temperature are you running your machine? Great vid!
Hey there Reed, i’m glad you’re enjoying your machine! I grind fine enough so that a shot takes about 30 seconds. For my shot, I aim for a ratio of 2 to 1 (15 grams in, 30 out). If you grind too fine, your shot may choke the machine. If you grind two coarse, your shot maybe already finished at 10 seconds.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner would you say its worth it to upgrade to portafilter? Its kinda expensive from where im living..
Well Joe, you could just cut off the stock portafilter if you have a hacksaw. Check out this video I made: th-cam.com/video/PYHISoQ-3qI/w-d-xo.html
Being able to see the extraction is an important step of the process of learning good espresso.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks, will have a look! Cheers mate!!
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...thank you man ☕☕☕
Hello. I just got the dedida 885. Do you know if the steam is supposed to be very loud? I am not sure if send it back. Because is to much noise to steam milk.
Don’t put the tip to close to the sides or bottom.
thanks for the video. please advice how do you manage to get normal extraction time with open portafilter on Dedica AND THE SAME GRIND SIZE as on pressurezed?
nomatter how I tried I always have one of the two situations with Dedica and open portafilter:
- if the grind is the same as for the pressurized - the extraction is very quick and the result is bad
around 3,8 on 1zpresso k-max
- if the grind is small enough to get visually good and slow extraction - 2,4 - the taste is that much bitter that it gets absolutely undrinkable
If it's too bitter it's over-extracted and you need to reduce the yield/ratio
@@alinaqirizvi1441 thanks. I will try tomorrow but the ration is not big - 16g input 32g output. My guess is reducing it to 16/20 will not help.
I am sure the grind is way too fine then it is ok for espresso. The grinder instructions confirms that espresso grind should be from 3.0 to 4.5. I have to dial down to 2.2-2.4 in order it to not just fly out throught. Probably this is due to the fact that dedica has too high pressure? BUT then the question is how do other guys on youtube manage to get normal espresso from dedica with non pressurized basket?
And I do prepare it with WDT, leveler, good spring temper, ims precision basket, ims shower - it does not help.
@@Klubnichkaua what roast are you using?
@@alinaqirizvi1441 I use medium to dark roasts 100% arabica. we like coffee italian style - without acidity. Ethiopia, India usually goes well.
I've just tested the Dedica standart formula with default settings. Double espresso 3,8 grind, 13g in, 30s, 90g out. The output is satisfactory. But the brew ratio is very strange 1:7 :)
@@Klubnichkaua I suppose that is kind of an allongé-style shot
Hm. As a new owner of the EC685 i have a question. Does the pressurized extraction "eat" some pressure? I mean, the pump also has to press the coffee through the small hole. This should mean two things: the extraction time is shorter, because there is less pressure lost. So you can/have to use finer ground coffee. Is this correct? Sometimes i grind too fine or tamp too hard, so the machine is really sweating about getting some drops out of the portafilter.
Hey Björn, pressurized means that the pressure is artificially imposed upon the puck, since the liquid can only go through that tiny hole. I guess this would create a very high pressure.
When you use a traditional non-pressurized basket, it is up to the fineness of the coffee grind and puck preparation to create the proper pressure, which should be somewhere around 9-10 bars. I wish this machine had a pressure gauge...
With a pressurised basket you can't grind too fine. With a non-pressurised grinding fine is really important
What I noticed is that the reason of the sweating when using pressurised basket is not fine grinding or hard tramping but overflowing it a bit.
I use the non pressurized porta filter but I never get crema as good as that, I have a nice fine grind from my Iberital burr grinder, maybe it is the beans that I have tried.
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago.
These videos may help:
How to Get Crema: th-cam.com/video/00NSG9459a8/w-d-xo.html
Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! th-cam.com/video/5BgMKqu8fJI/w-d-xo.html
@@TomsCoffeeCornerI think that maybe you are right, I have had these been in my grinder for a few weeks now but I am about to buy new beans, so I will try to get some that are best for espresso, Thank you for the links to the video`s, I will view them before I buy the beans. Thanks again.
Hi, this is an amazing world. I have various doubts. I'm thinking of buying the Dedica EC685 coffee maker for €170, any better recommendations?
I also need a filter without a basket, I understand that it can work without a basket for one coffee but not for 2 coffees, since it does not distribute the coffee. Any ideas?
At this point in time, I would recommend the ECP3420. Check this video out: th-cam.com/video/au92VvBYLrA/w-d-xo.html
how many grams of coffee can fit in the big default basket? i have not aftermarket stuff (even use the plastic tool it came with for tamping) i can fill it with 10grams easily, with effort not to make a mess managed 13-14 but it may touch the group head (i can see in the after-extraction puck a slight circlular shape in the middle)
14 grams fits in the double, and 7-8 grams in the single. Cheers!
For a first time purchase which machine would you recommend Thank you
Hey Steve, that depends. What is your budget, and how much experimenting would you like to do? Do you have a grinder? Do you plan to do more espresso, or milk based drinks? Cheers, Tom
Hey I bought the depressurised basket that you recommended here, but when I try to put it on my delonghi stock handle, it doesn’t fit :(
It seems like the bottom is to thick to puss it fully through, it almost gets in, but gets stuck at the end. What am I doing wrong?
Just remove the plastic insert. :)
Hi Tom are these hacks also possible on the delonghi stilosa model? Thanks
Hi Daniel, sure. But I would recommend getting a 2 tabbed portafilter like this one, since the 51mm basket for the Dedica will not fit well in the Stilosa.
2 Tab Portafilter with Basket for Stilosa: amzn.to/3hXH3zD
Hi there! I have a ec885, how do I know if is the 51 o 54mm basket and portafilter? Thanks!
Hi Ian, it’s 51mm. I’ve got some baskets and portafilter recommendations in the description if you’re interested. Cheers!
Hello. Love all your content. Do you know if I can get an unpressurized portafilter for my delonghi ec330s ?
Howdy, Chris! Thanks for the feedback - yes I think it must the the 2 tabbed 51mm, right? Check out this video, I have some bottomless portafilter suggestions in the video description.
Delonghi EC3420 review: th-cam.com/video/au92VvBYLrA/w-d-xo.html
Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I think I will need a 53mm basket set up. The current one is 52.7 so I’m guessing that 53 is the one for me. With the 2 tab portafilter. Thank you for your help and all the great content
Hi Tom :), which is the ratio for a single shot of espresso? How long should the extraction time last? I’ve learned so much with your channel
Hi Bee! Thanks for watching! Well, a normal single shot is 7 grams in, and 14-20 grams out, but it is a little finicky to get single shots, so I almost always do doubles. Aim for 20 seconds if you can. Cheers!
@@GriuGriu64 Extraction begins when the button is first pressed. Start timing with the button press.
Hello! I bought a bottomless portafilter, and it arrived with a blind portafilter. Do you have any suggestions to how to use to clean the machine? Do you suggest to use some powder too?
Hello Lorenz, in this video, I talk about why the Dedica cannot be backflushed: th-cam.com/video/iRuqsXz3_4k/w-d-xo.html
The best you can do is just let some water out before your shot, and maybe wipe the shower screen between uses.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you! I tried to find it, but it didn't appeared thank you for the video! 👍
I have delonghi ec 820. Do you think I could use the same handle (portafilter) like for 685? It is has also 51mm, 3 ears. I am not sure about thickness of the ears. I have tried to search on the internet, even talked to some sellers on aliexpress, but noone helped me out...
I am pretty sure that's the same grouphead. Check the description for some suggestions. 👍
Hi, nice video. Is it possible to adapt a non pressurized filter for a delonghi ec680?
Hey Will, do you mean to cut the filter yourself? I did that initially, as you can see in this video: th-cam.com/video/_MmWkvbfdnU/w-d-xo.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner oh great! I thought your tip was only for 685, but it's for 680 too. Thanks for your answer
Hello Tom. Very interested in your coffeebasket. I Already noticed that the dedica filters do not work well. I like to buy it by Amazon but can you believe I have to wait till may 16 for delivery? Can you do something about that?
Here in Holland I cannot even find them. Love your video:s.
Grusse aus Holland
Hey Boesveld! Try one of the links I have listed for Germany. It seems like much of Europe has a lack of product right now, but Germany still has some. Greetings from Germany!
I can’t understand what exactly is being sold through the link "Single Basket by Graef". Why are there two items? There is no description.
A lot of people ask for single dose baskets, and the Graef is the only one I know. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner So why are there TWO baskets?
What are the lengths of the portafilter clips, the ones that hold it onto the machine ? I've gotten a similar, custom portafilter, but the clips are smaller than the original and they actually fail to keep the portafilter in.
Hey there Keta, do you mean the spring clip or the portafilter?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner the clips that hold the portafilter to the machine.
Ah ok. On the original portafilter, the three tabs are 8mm wide, and 19.5mm long. They are 5.4 to 4.8mm deep where they slide into the grooves.
@@TomsCoffeeCornerMy aftermarket portafilter is smaller, 7mm wide, 17mm long and about 3mm deep. I guess I need to get a new one, thank you!
You betcha!
Hello! I have the delonghi EC685M. I notice you recommended the portafilter size 51mm and the basket is 54mm. Will that work? Thanks
Hello Lisane, thanks for watching. No, they both must be 51mm. I have links in the description for compatible parts - please have a look there. 😉
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you!
@@lisanenguyen4959 You bet!
How many grams/mls do you have the volumetric buttons programmed for, for the single vs double shot button?
30-35 grams on the 2 cup. I don't use the 1 cup. Cheers!
@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you Tom!
hi tom, when im using a bottomless standard basket portafilter, when removing it from the machine, the pressure bursts out of the dedica 685 group head and causes the top of my puck to disintegrate. does this occur to you as well?
You have to wait about 60 seconds...wait for the pressure to disperse.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner i see so its kind of normal
hi i ve been using this mashine for 1 week. I am about to buy the new portafilter but i am dealing with a problem. To get my show mashine stops like 4 times and i need to press it again. What should i do? It also some times give me my shot really slow
Have you set the volume of your shot yet? th-cam.com/video/2lo_92rm-EE/w-d-xo.html
You should do another video where you make the pressurised straight after.
I don’t think it makes a difference, machine was warmer when you made the second coffee.
I have the same machine and my coffee is amazing with the pressurised one.
What's the difference between a cheap basket and IMS, would it really make a big difference in extraction?
Well, the IMS basket will have more holes, and more accurately punched holes, so that there’s less resistance from the basket itself. Therefore, you can grind a little finer. You may be able to get a higher extraction.
Whether or not one will notice a difference in taste may depend on the individual.
I would also like to keep the pressurised portafilter, but I would love to either replace that plastic insert with a stainless steel one or get a pressurized portafilter with all metal inside.
Is there any such option?
You could just remove the plastic - it's just one screw. Or, I have seen some dual spouted ones like this: www.ebay.com/itm/225519726854
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi. Thanks for getting back to me.
I have decided to purchase a second portafilter from Delonghi and an IMS basket, to mode it like you did on the channel.
My question is. As per your experience, what is the most optimal grind setting (how course / fine do you grind) for a medium roast coffee?
I am trying to reduce the amount of trials and errors I need to go through to dial in the best possible shot for this machine with an unpressurised basket :)
Thank you very much
@@Haik0 You have to find that out based on trial and error. Each bean is different. Each roast date will be different. Just aim for the 2:1 ratio in about 25 seconds, and then adjust to your tastes.
Does Delonghi know their basket is substandard? Crazy there's so many hacks that make this product better, yet the manufacturer doesn't do anything about it.
Manufacturer has to position its product in competition to its other more expensive offerings. Volkswagen could have Audi’s features but no)
Hi guys sorry but what type of grinder would you recommend ? Debating either this one in this video or. The niche zero?
@@JamieD247 get a hand grinder if you don't want to pay £500
@@JamieD247 I got the Timemore C3 for £62 I believe
@@alinaqirizvi1441 I actually went for it and got the niche zero! cracking grinder
I bought a new one and I don't get any crema, specially when using pods? Does this mean that my machine is faulty? Or is there any hacks to solve this issue?
Hello Heba, I am afraid that pods will give likely no crema. You have two options.
1) use the original pressurized filters and coarsely ground espresso
2) use the unpressurized filter, and get a grinder that will grind fine enough for espresso. Then, make sure to also use freshly roasted beans.
I got my bottomless portafilter for my delonghi dedica and the water squirts from all sides when I’m using it. What can be the problem?
I’m guessing that your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago.
These videos may help:
How to Get Crema: th-cam.com/video/00NSG9459a8/w-d-xo.html
Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! th-cam.com/video/5BgMKqu8fJI/w-d-xo.html
How to estimate bean roast age for Lavazza: th-cam.com/users/liveQmVRpBGOokE
How to extract the perfect espresso: th-cam.com/video/piO6c695Op8/w-d-xo.html
***I’d recommend looking on google maps for local coffee roasters. That's the best way to ensure freshly roasted beans.
Cheers,
Tom
I have buy a aftermarket basket about 6 € for my dedica. I grind the fresh coffee thin And tamper it.But the espresso come out like water without crema. You cant drink it. The original pressurized Filter has less and smaller holes . I Think the dedica cannot make enough pressure. Can someone help me?
Hi! Your beans are probably too old. Check this espresso shot playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLOBVVD2p7BmkxQ9fX_kgx1zPKF2n_wUSG.html
Disculpa ese porta filtro sin fondo es compatible con la delonghi 3630? Y donde lo venden?
No, you will need this one: amzn.to/3q5idm4
Did you modify the potafilter to take the new basket or did you buy it already like that?
I cut the bottom off myself, but you can buy a bottomless too, if you want. I have some links in the description. But if you have a hacksaw, the cheapest way is to cut the bottom off yourself.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks very much for replying so quickly, I will check the links too 👍🏻
I tried it but non-pressure not working for me, even use fresh roasted coffee. no crema, and coffee spilt everywhere i'm stuck.
Anyone know if I can use a normal basket in the portafilter instead of the pressurised one that comes with the machine?
Sure you can. Just remove the plastic insert in the PF.
worked very well, but as always the quality of the coffee beans is the most important thingt :)@@TomsCoffeeCorner
I said "satisfying" at the same time as you after you tamped haha
Hehehe, I guess we think alike. 🤗
Isn't the Dedica (being 15 bar) better suited for pressurized basket?
Yes, that is true. But you can reduce pressure of the extraction by grinding and distributing appropriately. Cheers!
Does the brand of non pressurised basket make a difference. I got an aftermarket bottomless portafilter and non pressurised basket. I have the finest grind on my delonghi burr grinder and tamp quite hard but get very bad channelling, spits and sprays. I put it down to the high bar rating which is designed for the pressurised basket or could it be the cheap basket?
Hi Stephen, channeling can be caused by puck prep, grind, or the bean itself. What kind of bean are you using?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi Tom, Currently I'm using the Galway Roast Coffee bean (Blend Brazilian Santos, Guatemalan & Honduran). the channelling seems to be the same for other beans too.
@@stephenw1799 Well that should be a good coffee from that roaster...maybe your burr grinder is not grinding fine enough. Is it the KG89, or a different type? For such nice beans, it might be nice to have a sweet grinder. 😉
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Close, its the KG79. Maybe a better grinder needs to be put on the Christmas list :)
@@stephenw1799 Have you done the mod? th-cam.com/video/3f3i_HlZI4c/w-d-xo.html
Otherwise, I would suggest the Sage Dose Control Pro is on a good sale right now: amzn.to/38vmwO4
Hellooo, we recently bought a bottomless portafilter with a non pressurized basket but we can't get crema from it, does it depends on the grinding of the beans? Also when we tried back the free portafilter, its no longer working for the espresso, any idea why?
Hello Jeime, thanks for your question! I am in the process of making a video about this.
The 2 most important factors are 1) fresh beans and 2) the right grind setting.
How old are your beans, and what kind of grinder do you have?
-T
@@TomsCoffeeCorner great, looking forward to your next upload. We buy fresh grinded beans monthly from our local roaster.
Hey Jeime, those are probably good beans then, however if they are already pre-ground, they will lose their freshness after a couple of days. Also, The fineness of the grind may not be dialed into your machine.
Do you have a budget by chance, for a hand grinder or a motorized grinder? If so, I could recommend a couple of good ones.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi Tom, I have the same coffee machine and I would like to start my own grinds for it. The Eureka grinder is out of budget for me. What would you recommend for around 150-200€ for this machine and good espresso shots?
@@endofmyself Hey Andras, are you nearby Germany? If so, I can recommend this Graef grinder. I have made good espresso with it. Downside is that it is a bit loud and messy: Graef Mühle: amzn.to/3ppDy6N Tamper: amzn.to/2ZdVVQX
Did you grind the coffee finer for the unpressurised basket?
Yes, for that, you have to grind a good amount finer. 👍🏻
Hi Tom. How many grams of coffee and how fine do you grind it? Thank you!!!
Hi there! 14-15 grams, and I grind fine enough to reach the espresso ☕️ ratio recipe: 2:1 yield in 25 or so seconds.
Hi, What's the brand of portafilter you're using? I'm from India, and am not sure if the link is opening the correct basket/filter on Amazon's India website
Hello Niranjan, I just looked on the India site, but I cannot find any filter baskets for the DeLonghi. In Europe, there are good ones from Graef, but I do not know if you can find these.
Maybe someone else in the comment section can help you? I could probably help you source some, if you could wait for shipping from Europe, just in case you cannot find any in India.
Thanks for watching! Tom
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks! I'll look around!
Have you tried just enlarging the bottom hole in the stock 2-piece baskets?
Hey there, no I haven't. I want to see the extraction, so I would either dremel off the whole bottom, or just buy a non-pressurized basket. Drilling a hole would be tricky, since there's very little space between the two layers.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner on my Dedica Deluxe the pressurized baskets are two part assemblies. There is the main basket with a tiny hole in the center and an insert with what seems to be a silicone gasket that forms the upper layer with multiple holes. This makes the assembly easier to clean, and makes it easier to widen the center bottom hole in the main basket. I’d send photos, but TH-cam comments don’t support it. I enlarged the bottom hole in my single shot basket to about 1/8” which is enough to let the basket assembly drain with no pressure applied.
@@Anonymous-mf8ii Hey that is true. The EC680 had the welded dual wall, while the EC685 and later had the removable insert.
Not a bad idea for a video, actually. I do have a couple of these lying around. Perhaps I could try it myself. 🙋🏼♂
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi Tom, I have an E680, the old baskets are not welded, they are disassembled. I was disassembling mine, for cleaning from coffee oils. It is necessary to heat the lower part of the basket, and then forcefully hit the back side on some wooden surface.
Can you tell me where I can buy bottomless portafilter for Dedica 785 ?? Is the 685 portafilters compatible with 785 ??
Hi Stephen, please check the description. I have some listed. They fit the EC680, EC685, EC785, and EC885.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Appreciate it !!! Thank you Tom.
My machine is still in shipment. Can I use non pressurized basket inside the stock portafilter?
You can, but you will have to remove the black plastic part in the PF. It's just one philips screw.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Cool! Thank you!
what temperature setting do you use? i dose about 13-14gs of coffee and get a yield of 35-40ml of espresso. Recently switched to highest temperature on the machine and the yield is much better i feel.
Hey Zeeschan, I also use the high temp setting. Since this machine has a longer way between thermoblock and brew group, I think the high temp is better.
35-40ml of espresso is a little on the high side for a ratio of 14g in however. Have you tried around 28-30ml too? Could be better textured.
@Tom's Coffee Corner Hi Tom, I do you adjust the yield in a Dedica? I also get a yield of 1:4. Thanks.
@@reda091 Here you go! Volumetric Dosing: th-cam.com/video/M8NBbSyHDO0/w-d-xo.html
is the non pressurised also possible for the E.S.E.
Hmm, I have never tried that. I don't think it would work so well...
have you tried to drill a hole in the presurized basket hole ?
Yes, I actually made a video about it. th-cam.com/video/abNC2daa0RQ/w-d-xo.html
So that basket is mainly for double espresso or is there some for single espresso?
You can find some for single, but I recommend the double because it's easier to use, and a single isn't enough coffee for me.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I agree. Thank you
What type of coffee grinder do you use? Thanks alot
Hey Zemos, I use a Eureka Specialita. It is my favorite, because it is quiet, makes fluffy grinds, and has a nice display. It also has a small form factor. You can check out reviews and pricing here: amzn.to/3DH8Vh8
Thanks for watching!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks alot 🙂
Hi
I just returned from my us trip
Seen many coffee machines in different houses.
My cousin recommended only De Longi coffee machine RC 685 r 1300.
He says this is the only company which will extract oil from coffee Beens along with pure decoction,and the flavour of this coffee with oil is something special and not found in other machines,
Can u throw some light on this subject .
Iam planning to buy this machine immediately after watching ur comments.
Hello there! Dedica is special because you can make a good espresso, despite being an economical machine. However, it does not extract Espresso differently than other machines.
All machines push hot water through a compacted puck of coffee. On the fancier machines, you can control the temperature, the pressure, and the flow. This machine does not do that. But, it offers a good result nonetheless.
hello.
Excuse me, what is the name of the mill that gives you coffee in grams?
Can you send a link or tell me name and brand?
greetings
thank you so much
Eureka Libra measures out for you, as does the Sette 270wi.
Will Graef baskets fit any bottomless 51 mm portafilter?
Very very helpful video btw. Thanks!
Well sure, yes. They will fit in any bottomless portafilter made for the Dedica.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner that's correct. thanks again
Please help guys, i got this machine recently, but i have a problem. When i put a decent amount of coffee i mean even less then on the video, there is no extraction, coffee struggling with dripping, when i put less it goes nice.
You think it is an issue with the machine doing not enough pressure, or coffee ground level ???
Small amount of coffee dripping nice, slightly more coffee the machine is stuck :(
It could be that your OVP is dying. Take a look at this video: No Pressure? How to Replace the OPV on DeLonghi, Smeg, etc Coffee Machines
th-cam.com/video/ncoZ3XyhWC8/w-d-xo.html
No matter how hard I try the cream won come out, just black coffe with no cream, I try different grinds and also try a shortened the spring inside, but there is no crema :(
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago.
These videos may help:
How to extract the perfect espresso: th-cam.com/video/piO6c695Op8/w-d-xo.html
How to Get Crema: th-cam.com/video/00NSG9459a8/w-d-xo.html
Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! th-cam.com/video/5BgMKqu8fJI/w-d-xo.html
Hi. My double non-pressurized filter works well. Can't say the same for the single one. Even using 9-9.5 grams of coffee, grinded as the double, it still comes out too fast and too liquid. Should I put more coffee powder or It simply sucks no matter what?
Try grinding a little finer.
I have the same non pressurized basket. It does not have the same extract properties in your video. The crema is not thick and barely there
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago.
These videos may help:
How to extract the perfect espresso: th-cam.com/video/piO6c695Op8/w-d-xo.html
How to Get Crema: th-cam.com/video/00NSG9459a8/w-d-xo.html
Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! th-cam.com/video/5BgMKqu8fJI/w-d-xo.html
And does delonghi sell those to modify? they have some on the webiste, but their descriptions are never the best.
Just buy an IMS one. I have some links in the video description.
Aha with the pressurised basket it looks like its pissing, ive been using the pressurised for so long i just ordered one non pressurised off amazon for £9
I bought this non pressurized basket, but my coffee doesn't gets crema... I guess mine is defective. DO you use high or mid water temp?
Hey Victor, the most important factor in getting good crema is fresh beans, ideally less than 4 weeks old. Do you have a local roaster?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Sadly no.. but it's good to know. I'm realizing that maybe the basket holes are too big! Thanks!
Hey Viktor, that depends on the basket that you bought. So far I have bought three aftermarket baskets, and they were all very good.
You recoment a bottomless portafilter that is not what you are using? I think you cut the original one.
Yes, because many people would prefer to buy one, rather than make one. Thanks for watching!
Why provide pressurized baskets when un-pressurized is better?
Because they’re more forgiving and easier when you don’t have a grinder.
What bar?
I’d say about 9 bar. See this video for reference: th-cam.com/video/Scsm9Vw6JrA/w-d-xo.html