Valid points... I think most want to do the conversion. Just do doing it, with the exception of the gentleman's reason from the UK... Cold is not friends with CO2... Thanks again for the down to earth review... Big C 😎
Thanks Big C glad you enjoyed it and that the points are valid. I should've mentioned the weather as a pro of the PCP. Staying here in the warmer part of the world I don't have the cold problem very often
I from the US in the state of Pennsylvania, not quite the same latitude as the UK, but gets cold enough to mess with CO2... I have break barrels and pump air rifles for the winter months, budget ones at that... Big C 😎 out ..
Hey Tyrone! I myself went with the bandit option, and was still left with an airbug at the end of the day. Very well done and said, and very easy to follow. Thank you for taking the time Cheers!
Just watched the video. Another good one. I subbed and will watch some others. The main reason I personaly converted the cp2 is co2 performance issues in the uk winters and also the cost over time. The pp800 doesn't take much effort to charge with a stirrup pump, 15 to 20 pumps. I got both the cp2 and the pp800 earlier in the year when they were both sub £150. My 800 is the 'R' version so you have the regulation too. With the mods in your other video what I have will make a perfect all round, sub 12lb usable tool for my applications and the way I chose to go left me with a co2 pistol for fun, which I intend to buy a new foregrip, stock, long barrel and barrel clamp and make a standard cp2 and give it to my son. These parts are cheaper than a co2 cp2 now so I will end up with a pcp cp2 and a co2 cp2 lol. Sorry for the ramble. Thanks for the videos. Off to the mates machine shop now
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I have not realy counted as I have 4 mags and I have not been in a situation where I have attempted to empty all four, but I will count next time I am out and let you know. Thanks again for the propper information
I Agree with your assessments. I put my bandit in the chaser kit stock with a stormrider barrell. Its very accurate and powerful in .22 cal. I call it the Stormbandit. Side by side it looks like a chaser but it is 24fpe v 12.5 fpe chaser. 👍
Hi Tyrone, Nice informative video! I bought a Kral Arms Puncher NP-01 a few months ago. I really like it, it's very accurate and with silencer it's quieter than my Artemis.😊
Hallo Tyrone bedankt voor de goeie uitleg,was al niet van plan om om te bouwen ook al ivm veiligheid. En ook voor de kosten dan kan je beter een pcp pistool kopen die er voor gebouwd is. En het gedoe met vullen nu co2 patroon erin en gaan.
I would not modify my CP2 to PCP for much the same reasons you have said. Electric compressors are not only expensive but prone to failure. If I got a scuba tank I would need the scuba diver to carry it, and it is about an hour each way to get one refilled, add that to the expense. They're not actually scuba tanks, higher pressure, they must be tested and certified or no one will fill it, once expired they have to be replaced. I am rather old and disabled. I do use a stirrup pump to inflate the motorbike tyres, after about 40 strokes I've had enough; a PCP may take 5 minutes of vigorous effort, no thanks. For me the CO2 capsule is very convenient. It is October now in England but the temperature outside is about 17C, so the CO2 is still useable. There will be fine days in winter when the CO2 will be usable, however the english winter is more wet and miserable and dark than cold which will put the idea of messing about outside out of the mind. Shooting (shotguns) on Boxing Day is something of a tradition, but then so is swimming in the River Thames and I know of one instance where they would have a football match in the village pond. Shotgun enthusiasts, some of my old workmates, would wear boots with two inch soles to stop the feet going numb. The CP2 is a lightweight rifle. Adding a bottle out front will over balance it, even a bipod does that. Converting a CP2 to PCP is something to do because you want to have a go at it but will not improve the airgun significantly. It can be done well, or botched. The expense, including the CP2 is comparable to buying a decent regulated PCP air rifle off the shelf.
Looking at airgun power for a moment. Most but not all countries have regulations on airguns, Germany for example restricts all airguns (including rifles) to under 7.5 Joules, that is about 5.5-ft.lb.. In the UK is it 6-ft.lb for "pistols" and 12-ft-ft.lb for rifles. The definition of "pistol" is a bit weird because the regs do not define "pistol" but either barrel (without silencer) under 30cm or overall length under 60cm. It is more about concealment and sticking it down a trouser leg, but it does mean your carbine there might be legally classed as a pistol due to its short barrel. It is a grey area for a court to rule on it you are naughty. UK does have different rules what we can shoot for England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. I believe in Scotland an airgun must be stored in a gun safe. FAC which is Firearms Certificate is not difficult to obtain but places many restrictions on using it, not worth the hassle but they are used for rabbits. On CO2 power. I have returned my pair of 177 CP2 to "slicked up" stock, i.e. polished up a bit but with stock components. I find this proves the best shot consistency. This does mean they shoot a bit faster than it says on the box. The rifle shoots just under 650fps and about 8-ft.lb tops, and that will go clean through a larch-lap fence, and it will rat very nicely. More than enough garden power. If we look at target rifles and optimum barrel velocity we find that 600fps to 750fps is preferred; high power is detrimental. If you want to punch cards and kill tin cans and twirl spinners, this does very nicely. If you have to shoot rats, which I consider a chore not a sport, accuracy is paramount. My CP2 pistol can produce something like 4.1/2 ft.lb and will dispatch a trapped rat, more than enough but at 6J more than allowed in Germany. Shot count, and this is a biggie. Some PCP with a small tank like the PR600 and PP900 can only shoot two or three magazines, maybe 35 shots, before they need recharging. I can reckon on the CO2 pistol providing nine mags, ~85 good shots and the rifle usually seven mags, ~65 good shots. Bought in bulk CO2 capsules are about 30p each and take seconds to change, they also fit into the shotgun cartridge pockets on shooting vest.
Fortunately my carbine with the silencer comes in at 71cm so should pash as a rifle. The power restrictions are there for good reason I guess. You will always get someone who acts carelessly or stupidly so the law is there I enjoy my CP2 pretty much std just cleaned up internals and a 4mm spacer. Oh and a nice crisp smooth trigger is a must
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner It won't apply to you :) but I believe it is barrel less silencer under 30cm *or* overall length (less silencer?) under 60cm the it is a pistol. The actual wording is taken from, "which either has a barrel less than 30 centimetres in length or is less than 60 centimetres in length overall". Whilst I have had to interpret legal waffle for work, I am not a lawyer. No commas and order of precedence in sentence. Arrgh! ;)
Hi chaps. If I may add something. In the uk, if you are switching any standard cp2 from rifle to pistol as it is designed to do, and remove the stock first before the barrel, you are holding an illegal firearm. Just something interesting to think about.
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner It's kind of ironic to spend all that extra when one of the reasons I bought it was the fact it was a great performing kit for only $135.. ( pistol/carbine combo) 😁
Hi Tyrone very interesting indeed here in UK smk are just starting to import a proper pcp version of the cp2 not a lot of information on it however it appears to be exactly the same as the co2 version ie camo or black with 2 barrels etc etc no idea on cost though so interesting to see how this develops
Hi James, I think they will most likely swop out the CP2 co2 tube for something like the PP800 tube. That way you are buying a PCP version I guess and not much changes needed to their production lines
Hello, I got your point. Good ones indeed... The reason why I ask is because since I upgraded the FPS, I start to loose power and precision drop after less than 20 shots.
I think you‘re perfekt right in cause of a backstop and carrying stuff but not with the noise. It depends on the brand (the system) of your pcp. My Steyr and HW 100 are much louder than my FX Rifles without silencers and harder to quiet down at the same power level. Dont misunderstand me,i love to shoot Co2 guns for fun in warm conditions but for long distance and hunting (espacially at cold weather) i prefere a regulated PCP. I like what you say about the danger shooting overpowered guns in the backyard cause many people are buying crazy stuff they see in videos without thinking about a proper backstop. Had the chance to do some long range sessions at my buddy’s farm last summer and i was pretty shocked how much damage even a 12fp rifle can do to a wooden fencepole can do at 120 meters👁
Morning Andreas, you are 100% correct. Some guys try to shoot really powerful air rifles without being prepared enough. I think as you said some of the brands have really effective silencers and can actually be very very quiet but I think a co2 CP2 vs a higher powered PCP CP2 with the same silencer, the PCP will be a little louder just because there is more gas to handle.
I somewhat agree with what you say but I feel I've to share my opinion too. With pcp can come lots more power but you don't necessarily need to use it. the co2 gas from the little bottles should be around 60bar so the rifle components get tested at 90bar if you regulate your pcp mod to 90 bar you will be perfectly safe ... the pcp bottle can then be your classical 200 or 300bar bottle with a regulator set at 90bar or less. 90bar is plenty for sub 16.3J/12ft-lb muzzle energy. I get up to 20J from 60bar in a 58cm long 4.5mm barrel. You wont get that much out of the 45cm CP2 barrel but I'm sure 90 bar is sufficient for 16J. If I were to do the conversion I would buy a second hand empty sodastream 425g bottle (good to 250 bar), remove the soadstream attachment from the bottle and screw in a regulator, then have the regulator go into the drop block. The bottle regulators are relatively cheap (around 25 euro) , the sodastream bottles are fairly cheap too (can be as cheap as 22 euro new with the gas even cheaper second hand with no gas), the most expensive part will likely be the drop block so you might be able to squeeze the conversion in at around 100 euro. It's not that bad but, in some countries, you can also get entry level pcp rifles at around the same price as the CP2 + conversion.
I came across some even cheaper parts solutions on aliexpress, I'm sure you can mod the CP2 to PCP with aliexpress parts for cheaper than 100 Euro and a fair amont of tinkering.
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I found a volunteer amongst my friends owning a sodastream: He will give me the empty bottle for refill, I buy anew one, I give him the new one for the price of a refill and I get to keep his old one for the price of a new one minus the price of the refill. This way I will have a sodastream CO2 bottle for maybe less than 10Euro depending on how cheap I can find the new full bottle for. Even if I don't do the PCP conversion maybe I will run my future CP2 from big sodastream bottle ... if you get 40 shots from 12g I expect something 1400 shots from a full 425g sodastream refill ... sound like an interesting option. For anyone interested ... the standard blue sodastream bottles (the ones with screw on adapter ... not the quick fit): the thread inside once you take of the brass fitting is M18x1.5mm. You need to look for a regulator that will screw on the bottle directly so that's the last thing that needs to be rated for the 250Bar the rest can be safe to your regulated pressure.
The PP800 route is actually something I've been itching to do for a while. Having that CP2 rifle barrel and stock with PCP power is very tempting. It also doesn't have an ugly bottle mounted to the front. But of course the cost is holding me back. One thing I'm wondering though. Why would the drop block prevent using the standard barrel band? The band mounts behind the end cap, and it's not like you're cutting the tube shorter.
Thank you, satisfied my curiosity, not gonna be messing with this PCP stuff - dont want to lug air tanks around the field like some weird Kalahari scuba diver.... also the long warm up time before you can shoot. One question comes to mind - can you keep a PCP gun fully pressurized and ready to go in case of emergencies?
Thanks for your comment, to answer your question, yes you can leave a PCP fully charged and ready to go. Infact most manufacturers prefer it if the rifles are left with at least a bit of pressure in. I like the Kalahari scuba diver word picture. I take it you are from South Africa
I agree with you, while I'd love to have a PCP CP2 the PP800 route is just too expensive - £225 for the gun plus another £50 (at least) for a pump buys a lot of CO2 - I can get 100 cartridges for about £30. I have heard a couple of people say that the the PP800 conversion gives about 80 shots which is impressive but I'll stick with CO2. The new official SMK PCP version of the CP2 looks interesting but at the moment it's too soon to know what the shot count on that will be.
Id like to add that the cp2 and pp800 don't swap as easily as these, yad be better off with a pp900 barrel and shoulderstock conversion if ya wanted a carbine pcp cp2, a pcp2🤔, or just get a pp900 straight off the bat, or just a stock on a pp800
Not understanding why safety still a concern if you use a drop down w/ 3000 psi tank that is regulated around 800 psi? I mean isn't it the regulator that actually determines the pressure your gun is subjected to? Btw, I'm new to your vids, you do a very professional job.
If you keep to the low pressures you should be fine. But people will always test the limits, most guys shooting slugs are between 160-170bar which is close to 2500psi, and that will go through the valve
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner (Sorry, new to air guns here) So it's the regulator that determines the pressure the gun gets, regardless of the PSI rating of the the tank? Thanks again for your great vids.
@wulfish1 basically yes, the tank or bottle in the case of the drop block arrangement holds the pressurized volume of air. The regulator allow air to pass into the valve up the pressure at which it is set. The air in the valve will be released when the trigger is fired allowing that air to propel the pellet/slug down the barrel.
I converted my CP2 with a Norris Sheldon drop block. I live in Spain so mines regulated at 1300 psi to get about 15/16 ftlbs. Works really well with a very high shot count . The only issue really is that you are putting a hell of a lot of weight at the front of the gun which messes up the balance.. I may eventually convert it back to CO2 because I have bought two pcs since, a Kral Empire X and a Snowpeak T-REX Bullpup. Both great fun and I got them both really cheap
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner yes great stuff for the money.ashame the transport cost and the extra tax .but if you are in the usa they are the shop to buy
Did you use AAR onlines picture lol? Looks similar which is why I clicked, I'm keeping my Cp2 standard and looking at made Pcps, like you mention it's so handy for a bugout/apocalypse bag when all you need is pellets and bulbs. 👍
But but but. Seeing as we already have the CP2, we can buy a PP800. Then swap the mechanisms and barrels, and now we have a high shot count accurate regulated CP2 rifle and a CO2 PP800 pistol. Win win.
Problem with 88g is that they work out much more expensive than 12g - around £8 each for roughly 6x the capacity - 6 x 12g work out at about £2. Plus unless you use it all in one session you will either have to store the gun with co2 in it - not good for the seals - or waste a lot of gas. A lot of co2 rifles that DO use 88g are often converted to take 12g for this reason.
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner we have no power limitation in Swiss, and I want only change the valve and spring, it gives me around 15 joule, long barrel, but 1 cartridge doesn't make much shots before it starts to lose the precision! the Adapter that are around for 2 12g co2, for that I have to build a pipe in which I can place the adapter, but that's a lot of work.
Valid points... I think most want to do the conversion. Just do doing it, with the exception of the gentleman's reason from the UK... Cold is not friends with CO2... Thanks again for the down to earth review... Big C 😎
Thanks Big C glad you enjoyed it and that the points are valid. I should've mentioned the weather as a pro of the PCP. Staying here in the warmer part of the world I don't have the cold problem very often
I from the US in the state of Pennsylvania, not quite the same latitude as the UK, but gets cold enough to mess with CO2... I have break barrels and pump air rifles for the winter months, budget ones at that... Big C 😎 out ..
Hey Tyrone! I myself went with the bandit option, and was still left with an airbug at the end of the day. Very well done and said, and very easy to follow. Thank you for taking the time Cheers!
Cool Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed it
Just watched the video. Another good one. I subbed and will watch some others. The main reason I personaly converted the cp2 is co2 performance issues in the uk winters and also the cost over time. The pp800 doesn't take much effort to charge with a stirrup pump, 15 to 20 pumps. I got both the cp2 and the pp800 earlier in the year when they were both sub £150. My 800 is the 'R' version so you have the regulation too. With the mods in your other video what I have will make a perfect all round, sub 12lb usable tool for my applications and the way I chose to go left me with a co2 pistol for fun, which I intend to buy a new foregrip, stock, long barrel and barrel clamp and make a standard cp2 and give it to my son. These parts are cheaper than a co2 cp2 now so I will end up with a pcp cp2 and a co2 cp2 lol. Sorry for the ramble. Thanks for the videos. Off to the mates machine shop now
Thanks for sharing your insights and leaving a comment, how many shots per fill do you get with the PP800 conversion?
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I have not realy counted as I have 4 mags and I have not been in a situation where I have attempted to empty all four, but I will count next time I am out and let you know. Thanks again for the propper information
4 mags in .22
Thanks for the info, 28 shots is not bad
nice video
I just got myself a CP2 and im very excited to take it out in the field!
You will love it, is it 177 or 22 caliber
mine is in .177@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner
Awesome keep us in the loop of your travels
I Agree with your assessments. I put my bandit in the chaser kit stock with a stormrider barrell. Its very accurate and powerful in .22 cal. I call it the Stormbandit. Side by side it looks like a chaser but it is 24fpe v 12.5 fpe chaser. 👍
Hi Tyrone, Nice informative video! I bought a Kral Arms Puncher NP-01 a few months ago. I really like it, it's very accurate and with silencer it's quieter than my Artemis.😊
Kral NP-01 does seem like nice bit of kit will need to try it out a little
I like to use a barrel band on my short barrel, enjoyed your video
Yip a barrel band on the short barrel can work a charm. Thanks for leaving a comment
Another good Video mate, well done, Stay safe out there.
Thanks Bill glad you enjoyed it, keep safe on your side as well
Im stickin to co2. Great vid thankyou
Pleasure, glad you enjoyed it
Hallo Tyrone bedankt voor de goeie uitleg,was al niet van plan om om te bouwen ook al ivm veiligheid.
En ook voor de kosten dan kan je beter een pcp pistool kopen die er voor gebouwd is.
En het gedoe met vullen nu co2 patroon erin en gaan.
Agree 100% I share the same feelings and sentiment. If I ever went for the bottle option I would still keep it at low psi
Klopt koop dan gewoon een diana bandit 👍😉🇳🇱
Enigste wat ik nog ga ombouwen bij de chaser is met buck rail.een fijne zondag nog
I would not modify my CP2 to PCP for much the same reasons you have said. Electric compressors are not only expensive but prone to failure. If I got a scuba tank I would need the scuba diver to carry it, and it is about an hour each way to get one refilled, add that to the expense. They're not actually scuba tanks, higher pressure, they must be tested and certified or no one will fill it, once expired they have to be replaced. I am rather old and disabled. I do use a stirrup pump to inflate the motorbike tyres, after about 40 strokes I've had enough; a PCP may take 5 minutes of vigorous effort, no thanks. For me the CO2 capsule is very convenient. It is October now in England but the temperature outside is about 17C, so the CO2 is still useable. There will be fine days in winter when the CO2 will be usable, however the english winter is more wet and miserable and dark than cold which will put the idea of messing about outside out of the mind. Shooting (shotguns) on Boxing Day is something of a tradition, but then so is swimming in the River Thames and I know of one instance where they would have a football match in the village pond. Shotgun enthusiasts, some of my old workmates, would wear boots with two inch soles to stop the feet going numb.
The CP2 is a lightweight rifle. Adding a bottle out front will over balance it, even a bipod does that.
Converting a CP2 to PCP is something to do because you want to have a go at it but will not improve the airgun significantly. It can be done well, or botched. The expense, including the CP2 is comparable to buying a decent regulated PCP air rifle off the shelf.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, Thanks Jeff. Thanks for always taking the time to share your insight
Looking at airgun power for a moment.
Most but not all countries have regulations on airguns, Germany for example restricts all airguns (including rifles) to under 7.5 Joules, that is about 5.5-ft.lb.. In the UK is it 6-ft.lb for "pistols" and 12-ft-ft.lb for rifles. The definition of "pistol" is a bit weird because the regs do not define "pistol" but either barrel (without silencer) under 30cm or overall length under 60cm. It is more about concealment and sticking it down a trouser leg, but it does mean your carbine there might be legally classed as a pistol due to its short barrel. It is a grey area for a court to rule on it you are naughty. UK does have different rules what we can shoot for England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. I believe in Scotland an airgun must be stored in a gun safe. FAC which is Firearms Certificate is not difficult to obtain but places many restrictions on using it, not worth the hassle but they are used for rabbits.
On CO2 power. I have returned my pair of 177 CP2 to "slicked up" stock, i.e. polished up a bit but with stock components. I find this proves the best shot consistency. This does mean they shoot a bit faster than it says on the box. The rifle shoots just under 650fps and about 8-ft.lb tops, and that will go clean through a larch-lap fence, and it will rat very nicely. More than enough garden power. If we look at target rifles and optimum barrel velocity we find that 600fps to 750fps is preferred; high power is detrimental. If you want to punch cards and kill tin cans and twirl spinners, this does very nicely. If you have to shoot rats, which I consider a chore not a sport, accuracy is paramount. My CP2 pistol can produce something like 4.1/2 ft.lb and will dispatch a trapped rat, more than enough but at 6J more than allowed in Germany.
Shot count, and this is a biggie. Some PCP with a small tank like the PR600 and PP900 can only shoot two or three magazines, maybe 35 shots, before they need recharging. I can reckon on the CO2 pistol providing nine mags, ~85 good shots and the rifle usually seven mags, ~65 good shots. Bought in bulk CO2 capsules are about 30p each and take seconds to change, they also fit into the shotgun cartridge pockets on shooting vest.
Fortunately my carbine with the silencer comes in at 71cm so should pash as a rifle. The power restrictions are there for good reason I guess. You will always get someone who acts carelessly or stupidly so the law is there
I enjoy my CP2 pretty much std just cleaned up internals and a 4mm spacer. Oh and a nice crisp smooth trigger is a must
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner It won't apply to you :) but I believe it is barrel less silencer under 30cm *or* overall length (less silencer?) under 60cm the it is a pistol. The actual wording is taken from, "which either has a barrel less than 30 centimetres in length or is less than 60 centimetres in length overall". Whilst I have had to interpret legal waffle for work, I am not a lawyer. No commas and order of precedence in sentence. Arrgh! ;)
Hi chaps. If I may add something. In the uk, if you are switching any standard cp2 from rifle to pistol as it is designed to do, and remove the stock first before the barrel, you are holding an illegal firearm. Just something interesting to think about.
All good points and very sensible, I'll keep mine Co2... not worth the time or money for me to change it... If I want PCP I'll buy one... thank you
Thanks, I agree with you. Co2 it is for me as well
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner It's kind of ironic to spend all that extra when one of the reasons I bought it was the fact it was a great performing kit for only $135.. ( pistol/carbine combo) 😁
Hi Tyrone very interesting indeed here in UK smk are just starting to import a proper pcp version of the cp2 not a lot of information on it however it appears to be exactly the same as the co2 version ie camo or black with 2 barrels etc etc no idea on cost though so interesting to see how this develops
Hi James, I think they will most likely swop out the CP2 co2 tube for something like the PP800 tube. That way you are buying a PCP version I guess and not much changes needed to their production lines
£280 for the PCP version, Pelpax are currently selling them
I heard about these will need to get my hands on 1 to test out
Hello, I got your point. Good ones indeed...
The reason why I ask is because since I upgraded the FPS, I start to loose power and precision drop after less than 20 shots.
Yes, it is a big balancing act with Power and shot count on co2 but I trust you will have some options after watching the video
Thanks a lot for your videos mate ! @@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner
Nice Video Tyrone!!! Looks interesting, however I think your current set up is probably better and less complex. Take care!!
Thanks Anton I will probably stick to the current setup, just makes sense for my situation but others have different circumstances
I think you‘re perfekt right in cause of a backstop and carrying stuff but not with the noise. It depends on the brand (the system) of your pcp. My Steyr and HW 100 are much louder than my FX Rifles without silencers and harder to quiet down at the same power level.
Dont misunderstand me,i love to shoot Co2 guns for fun in warm conditions but for long distance and hunting (espacially at cold weather) i prefere a regulated PCP.
I like what you say about the danger shooting overpowered guns in the backyard cause many people are buying crazy stuff they see in videos without thinking about a proper backstop.
Had the chance to do some long range sessions at my buddy’s farm last summer and i was pretty shocked how much damage even a 12fp rifle can do to a wooden fencepole can do at 120 meters👁
Morning Andreas, you are 100% correct. Some guys try to shoot really powerful air rifles without being prepared enough. I think as you said some of the brands have really effective silencers and can actually be very very quiet but I think a co2 CP2 vs a higher powered PCP CP2 with the same silencer, the PCP will be a little louder just because there is more gas to handle.
Hi Tyrone like the video pcp is more money. Testing my 4.5mm slugs tomorrow.
Hi Phil, that sounds awesome. Have you got some 5.5 slugs to test as well or only 4.5
Hi Tyrone yes i have 5.5mm. Sent you a picture on whatsapp.
Cool I will check, I think it will be interesting to try
I somewhat agree with what you say but I feel I've to share my opinion too.
With pcp can come lots more power but you don't necessarily need to use it.
the co2 gas from the little bottles should be around 60bar so the rifle components get tested at 90bar if you regulate your pcp mod to 90 bar you will be perfectly safe ... the pcp bottle can then be your classical 200 or 300bar bottle with a regulator set at 90bar or less. 90bar is plenty for sub 16.3J/12ft-lb muzzle energy. I get up to 20J from 60bar in a 58cm long 4.5mm barrel. You wont get that much out of the 45cm CP2 barrel but I'm sure 90 bar is sufficient for 16J.
If I were to do the conversion I would buy a second hand empty sodastream 425g bottle (good to 250 bar), remove the soadstream attachment from the bottle and screw in a regulator, then have the regulator go into the drop block. The bottle regulators are relatively cheap (around 25 euro) , the sodastream bottles are fairly cheap too (can be as cheap as 22 euro new with the gas even cheaper second hand with no gas), the most expensive part will likely be the drop block so you might be able to squeeze the conversion in at around 100 euro. It's not that bad but, in some countries, you can also get entry level pcp rifles at around the same price as the CP2 + conversion.
I came across some even cheaper parts solutions on aliexpress, I'm sure you can mod the CP2 to PCP with aliexpress parts for cheaper than 100 Euro and a fair amont of tinkering.
Definitely possible, I don't use Aliexpress because our shipping is not very good this side
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I found a volunteer amongst my friends owning a sodastream: He will give me the empty bottle for refill, I buy anew one, I give him the new one for the price of a refill and I get to keep his old one for the price of a new one minus the price of the refill. This way I will have a sodastream CO2 bottle for maybe less than 10Euro depending on how cheap I can find the new full bottle for.
Even if I don't do the PCP conversion maybe I will run my future CP2 from big sodastream bottle ... if you get 40 shots from 12g I expect something 1400 shots from a full 425g sodastream refill ... sound like an interesting option.
For anyone interested ... the standard blue sodastream bottles (the ones with screw on adapter ... not the quick fit): the thread inside once you take of the brass fitting is M18x1.5mm. You need to look for a regulator that will screw on the bottle directly so that's the last thing that needs to be rated for the 250Bar the rest can be safe to your regulated pressure.
Tyrone , I totally agree with your opinion. 😊👍
Thanks @KLee glad you enjoyed it
there is a new PCP CP2 now available directly from SMK, costs about £100 more than the Co2 CP2.
UK winters are reason enough to swap from Co2 to PCP
Whats it called??
Seems like CP2- PCP
The PP800 route is actually something I've been itching to do for a while. Having that CP2 rifle barrel and stock with PCP power is very tempting. It also doesn't have an ugly bottle mounted to the front. But of course the cost is holding me back.
One thing I'm wondering though. Why would the drop block prevent using the standard barrel band? The band mounts behind the end cap, and it's not like you're cutting the tube shorter.
That is true, the PP800 option is a little pricey. You could still use the barrel clamp I guess, the bottle and stuff would be futher forward
Thank you, satisfied my curiosity, not gonna be messing with this PCP stuff - dont want to lug air tanks around the field like some weird Kalahari scuba diver.... also the long warm up time before you can shoot. One question comes to mind - can you keep a PCP gun fully pressurized and ready to go in case of emergencies?
Thanks for your comment, to answer your question, yes you can leave a PCP fully charged and ready to go. Infact most manufacturers prefer it if the rifles are left with at least a bit of pressure in. I like the Kalahari scuba diver word picture. I take it you are from South Africa
I agree with you, while I'd love to have a PCP CP2 the PP800 route is just too expensive - £225 for the gun plus another £50 (at least) for a pump buys a lot of CO2 - I can get 100 cartridges for about £30. I have heard a couple of people say that the the PP800 conversion gives about 80 shots which is impressive but I'll stick with CO2. The new official SMK PCP version of the CP2 looks interesting but at the moment it's too soon to know what the shot count on that will be.
Will need to let the CP2 PCP unfold a little first. 80 shots on a small tube would be awesome
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Indeed. Hopefully there will be a review on AAR soon as I know he is a bit of a CP2 fan.
Well there is a lot to be a fan about if/when a PCP version comes out I am sure he will test it out
Id like to add that the cp2 and pp800 don't swap as easily as these, yad be better off with a pp900 barrel and shoulderstock conversion if ya wanted a carbine pcp cp2, a pcp2🤔, or just get a pp900 straight off the bat, or just a stock on a pp800
@mycobodmycology5267 awesome Thanks for sharing, I take it you have tried
Good informative video. I have run the gauntlet with the CP2 and variant mods, Money well wasted for the tinkering fun.
Haha, that is a classic, "money well wasted". I love it, glad you enjoyed the video
Not understanding why safety still a concern if you use a drop down w/ 3000 psi tank that is regulated around 800 psi? I mean isn't it the regulator that actually determines the pressure your gun is subjected to? Btw, I'm new to your vids, you do a very professional job.
If you keep to the low pressures you should be fine. But people will always test the limits, most guys shooting slugs are between 160-170bar which is close to 2500psi, and that will go through the valve
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner (Sorry, new to air guns here) So it's the regulator that determines the pressure the gun gets, regardless of the PSI rating of the the tank? Thanks again for your great vids.
@wulfish1 basically yes, the tank or bottle in the case of the drop block arrangement holds the pressurized volume of air. The regulator allow air to pass into the valve up the pressure at which it is set. The air in the valve will be released when the trigger is fired allowing that air to propel the pellet/slug down the barrel.
Love my drop block conversion. PCP is also far better where the winters get very cold. Using 1100 psi out put on the froggy block.
Hi Shaun Thanks for sharing, true I never mentioned the weather that is a strong pro for the PCP
about to do the same, got the 1100 psi bottle in hand and just waiting for froggy's block to be delivered to the UK
Hi Mark let us know how it goes, I am sure you will enjoy it either way
I converted my CP2 with a Norris Sheldon drop block. I live in Spain so mines regulated at 1300 psi to get about 15/16 ftlbs. Works really well with a very high shot count . The only issue really is that you are putting a hell of a lot of weight at the front of the gun which messes up the balance..
I may eventually convert it back to CO2 because I have bought two pcs since, a Kral Empire X and a Snowpeak T-REX Bullpup. Both great fun and I got them both really cheap
@user-tl1fh3ro6r hi Phil, Thanks for the feedback, I can imagine that it will make the balance of the gun a little front heavy
Nice video again 👍😉🇳🇱
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner i will never change my co2 in a pcp.but i bought my first buck rail items for my crosman 1377 br
Buck-rail products look awesome I must say and only hear good stuff
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner yes great stuff for the money.ashame the transport cost and the extra tax .but if you are in the usa they are the shop to buy
Definitely in the US they are quickly becoming massive, I will need to relocate, maybe 1 day
Did you use AAR onlines picture lol? Looks similar which is why I clicked,
I'm keeping my Cp2 standard and looking at made Pcps, like you mention it's so handy for a bugout/apocalypse bag when all you need is pellets and bulbs. 👍
Guilty as charged. Agree with you 100%, about as compact as it gets really
will any 1/2 unf silencer fit the cp2??
Nope, afraid not, the thread on the CP2 is M10x1mm
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner damn... the sites only specify the unf thread
@Klausll yip, the easiest solution is probably to get an adapter
But but but. Seeing as we already have the CP2, we can buy a PP800. Then swap the mechanisms and barrels, and now we have a high shot count accurate regulated CP2 rifle and a CO2 PP800 pistol. Win win.
Yes, it is a pretty nice option
88g co2 Kit 👌🏻
I haven't tried the 88g before perhaps an option
Problem with 88g is that they work out much more expensive than 12g - around £8 each for roughly 6x the capacity - 6 x 12g work out at about £2. Plus unless you use it all in one session you will either have to store the gun with co2 in it - not good for the seals - or waste a lot of gas. A lot of co2 rifles that DO use 88g are often converted to take 12g for this reason.
instead of converting to a PCP I would prefer to install a longer tube that can hold 2 Co2 capsule.
That would definitely add some considerable shot count. Something like the CR600, Diana TrailScout would be cool
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner we have no power limitation in Swiss, and I want only change the valve and spring, it gives me around 15 joule, long barrel, but 1 cartridge doesn't make much shots before it starts to lose the precision! the Adapter that are around for 2 12g co2, for that I have to build a pipe in which I can place the adapter, but that's a lot of work.
Yip, to get shot count and 15j you are probably better going for the drop block and cylinder
I've got a safe pack and i get 7 good shots
Awesome thanks for sharing Ricky, is that 7shots in the sweetspot? Or 7 shots per fill. How many shots do you get before you need to refill
7 good shots per fill then it drops very quickly @@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner
@ricky6934 awesome thanks Ricky, considering that do you still use it with only the safepac or do you sometimes switch back to co2
safepac only it only takes about 10 pumps for the 7 shots @@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner