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Dioxazine Violet PV23 Watercolor Comparison - Daniel Smith, Winsor & Newton, VanGogh
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I mostly use dioxazine purple mixed with ultramarine blue in underwater or night scenes. I love this colour, it's very useful in mixes. For now I use the Winsor & Newton Cotman Dioxazine purple.
I like darker moody colors so I mix it with Payne's Grey for shadows.
Oooh! That is a combination I have to try one day.
ooohh i’ve never thought that! i’ll need to try that out some time. thanks for the great tip! and thank you for watching and commenting 🥰
the window and newton version was one of my two first artist grade paints! That was..seven years ago and the half pan is still in my palette, a little really goes a long way. To be honest I prefer the Van Gogh version, it almost look like it's separating into warmer and cooler areas. The Rembrandt version looks kind of similar but I'm still new to it. My favorite way of using pv23 is as a base for dark colors, I also love mixing it with greens and quin gold.
Hello! I use violet for flowers but mostly to make other greens and Reds by using a little high in my mixings, i like your voice!
Hello :D oh yesss violet for flowers, very necessary! how do you make green or red with PV23? using a little high? do you mean white? i'm so confused LOL. i'm sure it's autocorrect messing with your comment 😅 aww that's so sweet of you, thank you~ thank you for watching and commenting :D🥰
I use this colour VERY regularly, in almost all my paintings. I only have Paul Rubens (love!!) and White Nights (Hate!!) versions. The Paul Rubens version is highly pigmented so easy to get on the brush meanwhile the White Nights version (along with their pthalo green) is very lightly pigmented so it's a nightmare working with it. Otherwise I adore White Nights. I use it to mix my own buff titatinum with Naples yellow; moody greys with ultramarine blue and burnt sienna, greys with various red and green paints, and importantly to mix with various earth tones, earthy yellows, and oranges for dark skin tones, and finally I use it for shadows for dark skin tones. As you can see, its indispensable to me. Unfortunately, PR doesn't seem to sell this in a tube so I'm watching your video to see which one to get when this one runs out (which is any day now!!).
I mix it with yellow ochre (py 42) to make it more muted and I use it for underpaintings since its such a staining color it doesn't lift from all the layering I do. I have a pallete of highly staing colors only and it is amazing for deep shadows. Its almost too strong so I usually just use it for undertones.
Mixing PV23 with PBr25 makes a lovely maroon.
i only just got my first PBr25 recently so i’ll def give that mix a try! thanks for the rec vicki!
I use it mixed with ultramarine or quin magenta most of the times. Also, there are 2 versions of this pigment, the reder (less lightfast version) and the blue version. Maybe van gogh uses the red version. Also, Cotman's version is even more saturated but their lightfast rating is very poor, probably because of dyes or brighteners of some type, so avoid that one. About the other two, the daniel smith is very disapointing for me, it loses all the saturation when dryed and becomes almost gray. The winsor and newton, rosa Gallery and sennelier are the most vibrant that I know of.
I didn't realize there was a red shade and blue shade! Thank you for that. I agree that for some reason DS's version of this color seems super pigmented but dries down more than expected.
Hi! I did not know that there is a red and blue shade of PV23. All the swatches of PV23 seem to be very close and cool, nothing warm or redish. Are you sure you are not confusing PV23 with PV55? PV55 does have a blue shade and a red shade. The differences are minimal in both shades and I would have a difficult time identifying which is which if they were not placed next to each other. Van Gogh has both version of PV55: Quinacridone Purple Bluish and Quinacridone Purple Red.
whaaaaaaaaat🤯 i didnt know there’s a red and blue PV23! that would make sense they used the red for the vangogh. i actually did lightfast testing before and this vangogh PV23 was absolutely fine. did not change after several months of sun exposure.
FYI, according to the info on the Blick website, Daniel Smith uses PV 23RS (red shade).
@@ms.rocketscience4924 this is such an amazing discovery! thanks so much for confirming! ❤️
Dioxazine Violet/PV23 is one of my VERY favorite colors and I use it every chance I get. I like Sennelier, QOR, Roman Szmal, M. Graham, W&N's Windsor Violet, I have many brands, and much more of this color than I can probably ever use up, but I love it. I love blue violet and orange. My two favorite colors, so there you go. I have a lot of oranges and warm yellows too. Can't resist. The Sennelier was my first.
sennelier was one of the first few brands i started out with as well and holds a place in my heart 🥰
I use it very often. One of my favorites to use. I use WN. I do landscapes.
Of the 3 you swatch, I have DS version, and I after Trying pv23 in all the paint brands I like, Daniel smith version is still my go-to for dark dark and for reliability and not too much flow. The others I have are Qor, Mai Meri Blu, Holbein, Sennelier, schmincke. The only one I dislike is Holbein, and Holbein is literally my favorite paint of all… they just make a very weak pv23. It’s still a very nice paint, but I like pv23 to be black at its strongest, so if you are looking for a less intense pv23, go Holbein.
Sennelier and Qor are absolutely magnificent! But Sennelier with the honey gets sticky when I’m in humidity. And Qor travels sooo much I always get surprised by it when I throw one of their colors in my mostly Holbein palette.
I use it a lot mixing it with green to make beautiful deep muted eucalyptus color.
I forgot to add that I also have the Roman szmal pv37 (I think that’s the right number) the diox a one purple that’s not pv23. I don’t care for it, only because when I go to use this color I want super dark
Also I really love your voice like someone else said. And I always look forward to your videos!
Yea my first guess was that perhaps Van gogh had some brightners added but i actually reallg like the warmer hue of Van goghs. Roman Szmal has a PV37 Dioxozine Violet which is the red shade version and its beautiful. Anyway great video and thanks for sharing. Much love. PS. I love that you swatch these in real time so we can see how they paint out and how the pigments act in water such- very helpful. Thank you
ahh u like the warmer hues! do u also like their PV55 quinacridone purples? i dont know what it is about those ones but i havent gotten to the phase where i appreciate them yet. and thank you so much for your kind words 🥰❤️ it means a lot! im glad you like the real time swatching. i feel like sometimes im not the best at describing things so hopefully the visuals help give more info. 😁👍🏻
Purple, and specifically this shade of purple, is my favorite color, but I don't find myself painting with it as much unless I'm doing abstracts. The one I use the most is Qor which I got in the High Chroma set, and it's definitely one of their "wooshiest" paints which is fun in abstracts but can be hard if you're painting something specific.
Hi Petite Flower! Nice to see you again. I think Dioxazine Violet would be good for shadows. I’d like to try it as a shadow colour.
@@awatercolourist You are right, it should be good for shadows :)
I hear it is good for shadows, and it definitely makes a superb black with Qor Hooker's Green (transparent) or any Chrome Oxide Green (opaque)!
@@jennw6809 I should DEFINITELY try that, I'm always trying to get a good black mixture!
@@jennw6809 Thanks so much! I’ve also been thinking of using it for blacks and indigos by mixing PV23 with the phthalo greens.
It's funny, purple is my favorite color but I'm more fond of red purples, and PV 23 is not really a pigment I'm super drawn to. Also, lightfastness issues. Recently I got PV 23 in Qor, which should in theory have better lightfastness. I want to do some tests of my own. It mixes a great black with yellow greens like Qor Hooker's Green (which is nearly black itself in masstone) or Chrome Oxide Green (of course this mix is opaque). I just poured a new palette last night with this in it so perhaps I'll try to see how I can use it more.
I wondered too, if Van Gogh's has a brightener. I just bought my first few tubes of VG, and I definitely felt like they were weakly pigmented, although one was metallic gold and one was Oxide Black, so I'm not sure it's fair to judge by those colors. The PV 55 seemed ok -- but brighter than other brands, I wondered if it contains a brightener.
EDIT: I just looked up PV 23 on Handprint again, and it's interesting what Bruce has to say about lightfastness. There are definitely issues but there seem to be issues with the ASTM rating as well. The DS version was (at the time at least!) the most lightfast one. I also have an old Cotman, so I will have to test all three and see what happens. If Qor and DS don't fade when Cotman does, I guess I will feel pretty confident using it.
Hi Jenn 👋🏼. I’ve read/watched somewhere that the W&N version of PV23 is actually lightfast. Not sure how true that is. Try to search on TH-cam for Dioxazine Violet videos.
@@awatercolourist Hi there! Yes, I see it did better in Bruce's ratings, but W&N changes their formulas pretty often. I think I will just test what I have and see what happens, considering I have 4 tubes and almost never use it LOL
hi jenn~ i feel you, sometimes i have colours that i like (like DS fuchsite) that i dont know what to do with. lol. regarding lightfast issues, i did a lightfast test on the vangogh one shown in this video. it did not fade at all. i have a lightfast test results video somewhere on my channel if you want to see the before and after, you can check it out. oooohh, i never thought about mixing purple with green, thanks for the suggestion, i'll try them out! :D a similar blue violet colour PV3 in my Sonnet set also did pretty well in my lightfast test. if i remember correctly it only faded a liiittle bit.
Hello all! It seems my comment keeps disappearing. I had mentioned how Van Gogh does not in fact have a PV23 in their line. The closest hue I could find to a PV23 is Permanent Blue Violet 568 which is made of PV19+ PB29. If that is indeed the paint used in Vee’s video then it would explain why Van Gogh’s version is more red than both the Daniel Smith and the W&N. I like the Van Gogh hue (although I have never used it) but I would like to try real PV23 one day.
I wonder if VG has changed the pigment, my VG color chart shows Permanent Blue Violet (568) as PV23. PV23 has a blue shade and a red shade version, with the RS version supposedly more lightfast.
@@everartokelli I’m still a bit iffy about the blue and red shade thing. I’ve never heard about it before; but then again, what do I know! It’s the first time for me to hear about in these comments.
that’s the old formula. they changed it to PV23 several years ago. the one im using in this vid is in fact PV23 👍🏻
@@everartokelli i honestly didnt know there’s a red and blue shade of pv23! i did a lightfast test on vangogh and it’s basically extremely lightfast with no change after several months in the sun. i wonder if it is indeed the red version.
@@PaintinHiding Great to hear about the lightfastness of the VG version! DS Carbazole Violet is PV23RS which is why, as I recall, Handprint listed it as more lightfast than some other PV23 versions.
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@@PaintinHiding No way, I can’t believe it 🥹🥹🥲
I prefer daniel smith version for the color intensity and it seems like a moody dark violet. Plus it is said to be more lightfast than other pv23.
yeah~ can't deny DS know what they're doing ;P
What paper and brush are you using here?
both made an appearance in my most used vid th-cam.com/video/Tv331r6hLlM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PJxnu5gi2D1ZbfqT
brush is jackson's icon quill. paper is seikai (i tthink only availablle in thailand)
Im generally not the biggest fan of this color, i have the mission gold and holbein which both of them are completely different, the mission gold one in full masstone is nearly black in color and the holbein one is very purple and much similar to van gogh
oooooohhhh!! that’s very useful! thank you so much! i think PV23 is more of a mixing colour than to use on its own so the mijello would be great for that. i love it when colours are super strong tinting to almost black. thanks for letting us know! 😆❤️
I have the Holbein one and tested it and my others for lightfastness for 7 months in full facing south window. The Holbein even though a bit redder, didn't fade at all.
@@Renilou2 amazing! seems like a lot of us doing our own lightfast tests are getting the same results that PV23 is indeed a lightfast pigment.
What paper is that?
seikai. i mentioned it in my most used supplies vid th-cam.com/video/Tv331r6hLlM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PJxnu5gi2D1ZbfqT
@@PaintinHiding thanks!
Wanderers use this on the regular 😭
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Van gogh doesnt belong here. Van gogh is student grade at best.
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