I think watching classical singers and vocal coaches react to this song is gonna be a new comfort thing for me. the surprise moment is always brilliant.
She broke herself with no choices in that matter regardless of being a strong lady. Her life got fucked not her . Power pay attention ladies okay. She is amazing as she is. No accept just love for who she is.
Heck out “The Charismatic Voice” , Elizabeth Zharoff and her interviews with Will Ramos. They actually put a camera in his throat and recorded his vocal folds while he was singing like this!
this video was made to Highlight the new drummers (Vlad) skills, and Take on Pisces. Vlad is Self taught, stepped in in his old band when they needed a drummer and vlad made the best decision of his life to try it out.
I feel 7/8 in the beginning guitar riff and 6/8 when the drum beat changes still in the verse. However the count for the pre chorus is a 4/4 feeling to me with the rimshots, and the chorus is a "4/4" feeling as well but with 5 bars before it repeats. A lot of the djent type of music does a lot of over the bar type of riffs. The way the time changes are so seamless, keeps me coming back to this song.
Just FYI. It alternates between 3/4 and 4/4 during the first two verses, another way of saying that is that it's at 7/8 all the time, but it does not go from 7/8 to 6/8.
@@janfransson5910 Time stamps for this video not the original. 0:10-0:46 7/8 I understand your point about counting it as 3/4 and 4/4 alternating here if you want, no argument. 0:46-1:06 6/8 Here however its a swing type feel. 7 doesn't fit, its only six. 4:23-4:32 I count as 4/4 but could be subdivided as 3/8 and 5/8 repeating if that feels better for ya.
I would suggest watching the One Take Live performance of "Judgement and Punishment", so you can see her body and facial adjustments as she sings very clearly as it stays focused on her.
This studio session is basically a studio recording for the "at the time" new drummer, Vlad, so the vocals are the album version with layers, etc. Tatiana is a Pisces, and the soft/harsh vocals are reflecting the duality of the two sides of her personality, along with the fish references and her plugs in her earlobes have fish on them. The most common follow ups to Pisces are one of a couple live concert performances, like "Perrenial" at Wacken 2019, or "Who is gonna be the one" which I believe was at an Atlas Festival. Others go directly to her One Take Vocal performance of "Judgement & Punishment", which is just the camera on her singing in a booth at her home the entire time, so you can see what she's doing as she sings.
absolutely agree - Perenial and Judgment and Punishment should be next to react to. Tatiana is unique singer and band is very skilled and talented also.
Yeah, Eugene said in an interview that live vocals have a slight delay on it, but studio vocals are doubled and the harsh vocals have a pitch shifter and slight distortion on it which seems to be par for the course when producing this style of music. If you listen to concert footage you get the raw experience of her extreme vocals.
@@rikardottosson1272 - I've watched every interview they've ever done, and unless it was in a written interview, I don't recall ever hearing Eugene saying that they added distortion to the vocals in this or in any other song. What for? It would just remove the clarity of Tatiana's enunciation when growling and that's something she would never agree with. And it's not like she needs it, really.
Welcome to Jinjer. The band is amazing and Tati is a vocal goddess. The song is about the duality of the Pisces personality. (Refer to the yin-yang symbol for pisces). The growling is produced through the use of her false vocal folds. You would really enjoy "Judgement and Punishment" (One take vocal performance); it would allow you to view her singing techniques upclose. Very good analysis and reaction. (Subbed)
This song is pretty much all about Tati. How she is usually giving, kind and selfless. But she can be self critical and insecure and shy. But today she's going to be a friend to herself. Meaning she's gonna cut herself some slack instead of being overtly self critical. The harsh parts refer to the walls she puts up like armor. ie fish scales look like chain mail glistening in the sun. Fish being the sign for Pisces. Sometimes she can be fun and full of life and sometimes she can be self destructive.
Actually, if you false these growls, you will utterly ruin your vocal cords. There is some use of them for pitch, but the majority actually comes from the gut.
*Та-ак! Це наші Хлопці з Тетяною‼… - З її неймовірним чоловічим гроулінгом, і скримінгом, та й із сопрано у неї - теж усе гаразд‼* (ᵔᴥᵔ) - Щоправда ось тільки, це єдина Їхня пісня, яка так злетіла…. (ІМХО). До того ж, цю пісню _- «Pisces»_ - вона на концертах у турах виконує трохи неканонічно, так би мовити (15:25 - без свого цього сопрано). (Втім, це так, можливо, не у всіх випадках…). _- Здоровенькі були!…_ *_P.S. (ПРИМІТКА):_* Пісня _«Pisces»_ - про соціально-антиутопічний стан справ Людини/Молодої людини в Соціумі, - з екзистенційно-філософським контекстом, - не без морального підтексту (‼). *Тобто, Рибний зміст всієї цієї Пісні - це, насправді, одна велика метафора: ↓↓* • Пісня не про риб так таких, а про Молодих людей, це яким за умовчанням (!) претить Доросле життя, це яке й сліду не залишить у результаті, - від їхньої у них інфантильності…. Інфантильність (!) для таких Людей - це їхня свобода та їхня заколотність, як їхня воля до їхнього вільного життя…. І все це (↑) дуже прагне придушити (Emeralds are ripped away) лицемірне та цинічне Доросле життя (On cutting tables of callous men…) (‼). • Але є й інші Молоді люди, які - навпаки - всією своєю душею прагнуть у це-таке Доросле життя, - не боячись ні його відповідальностей, ні його інших тягарів (‼), це які можуть затягнути на дно безнадії (не всіх Відчайдушних (!), звичайно ж, але тим не менше). На дно безнадійності, - за втратою, в першу чергу, себе (свого покликання…) та своєї Особи у Соціумі…. - Якось так…. (^̮^) *І - ІМХО, звісно.* _UPD:_ *М-м-м,* так-то, так, я розумію, що ця пісня Тетяни про себе ж саму, *ну, точніше* - про Натури людей, які живуть під знаком зодіаку - Риби. *Розумію не з чуток* (у мене Старша сестра - теж Риби (!)), *що* таких Людей все кидає по життю, - з крайності у крайність …. *Але, читаючи її текст цієї пісні, вимальовується в голові картина, - не про неї конкретно, а про соціально-антиутопічний стан справ Людини/Молодої людини в Соціумі … (ДИВИСЬ про це, - тут же, трохи вище).* _- Всього доброго!…_ ㋡
Love the FACT that you're DEFINITELY NOT READY for the change in her vocal dynamics when she changes... (NOBODY is ready straight off the bat, so to speak). PRICELESS!!!!
@@michaelrue1400 I wholeheartedly Agree, Brother... Jinjer is in the DEATH METAL genre. Tatiana, their Vocalist, is a BEAST... she is so versatile (& her vocal range/styling spans everything from Death Metal to Reggae). No wonder why they took off musically as a group.
I enjoyed your reaction. Jinjer has been one of my favorite bands for the last 5 years. Jinger uses a very solid jazz fondation in many of their songs they have also incorporated Reggie into their music. A new Jinjer song is like a musical adventure, it is hard to predict what twist or turn it's going to take.
Hi Jess, thanks for another great reaction. As far as I understand the lyrics, this song is about the duality (Pisces) of someone who has emotionally suffered during relationships but is fighting the insecurity and trauma of those experiences in order to find a meaningful relationship. Have a great evening and thank you for the upload.
Two of the band members are Pisces. The singer, Tatiana and the Bassist, Eugene. Both of them contributed lyrically to this song but Tati is the main lyricist for most of their songs. Yes, this song is about being a Pisces and embraces the duality of the sign (one being brings life, another runs for death). Did you notice the little goldfish in her gauges? ( edit: the more a person listens to the harsh vocals the easier they are to understand. the ears and the brain will teach itself to recognize what's being said just like when you learn a new language)
It took me almost a month of listening while reading lyrics but I'm primarily kinesthetic and secondary visual so hearing isn't my thing and I notice reactors who are new to growls but more auditory picking it up faster.
@@j.f.fisher5318 I'm usually not into growling(the only songs of Cradle of Filth I can listen to are with female vocals like in Nymphetamine that contrast with Danny's growls that I can't stomach on their own) and can't understand most of what they're saying sometimes even with lyrics in front of me but Tatiana's growls to me sound so clear, I easily understand the lyrics without even reading it. Maybe me being Russian and her being Russian-speaking Ukrainian, so similar accents, have something to do with that too.
I feel this is the best new metal band I’ve heard in years. The overall package is fantastic. Guitar plants great her voice is phenomenal and she growls like a dragon. It’s unbelievable I’m impressed. Thanks for the critique.
"Scale armor blaze...": I believe this line is actually "Scale armor belies virgin innocence". I don't know if this might help with drawing meaning from the lyrics, but thought I'd offer that as a possible alternative line. Also, I love that you pointed out the lack of first person pronouns (I/me/my) in the chorus! You mentioned wanted to see her more closely--there's a video of her doing a one-take vocal for Judgment and Punishment that really shows her face and neck clearly.
@@helgehansen363 Oh wow! Thanks for correcting me. I've always seen why "blaze" fits with the imagery, because of the line later, where she says "Meet me flashing...". But that's just not what my ears have always heard--and "belies" also fits that line with the duality theme. I'm glad to know what she actually wrote!
Great reaction! So glad you enjoyed it! Jinjer is really unlike anyone else in the business right now. They are a full package with near perfect synergy. A general term for growling is harsh vocals, which can include the low false cord roar and the higher vocal fry scream which is more common in "screamo". Jinjer calls themselves progressive metalcore and groove metal. There are so many good songs, I would recommend "Perennial" live at Wacken, "Judgement and Punishment" one take, (as you can see Tati close up), and "Teacher, Teacher". The drummer is Vlad, and they made this video to showcase him and really was a perfect fit. He is actually a classically trained pianist. Tati btw is a Pisces, and the chorus symbolism draws directly to the Ying and yang nature of the sign. Can't wait to see more from you soon!
@@jessicasopranonotes check out eivor from the faeroese islands. she has some serious vocal techniques you've never heard before, from high to low, from tribal to modern, including kulning and throat singing.
Who’s Gonna Be The One The live version should be your next reaction to Jinjer. She has such a presence on stage and the end will shock you. Her talent!
If you want to know how it is done, ask 'The Charismatic Voice' here on youtube. Opera singer Elizabeth Zharoff can explain a lot because she learned how to use such a harse voice/sound in a healthy way. I hope you will be able to comprehend how such things can be done. Please let us know . Added after 14 hours: Elizabeth works with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe on the course 'The Ultimate Path to Extreme Vocals with Will Ramos'. I heared they officialy started this last week.
Elizabeth works with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe on the course 'The Ultimate Path to Extreme Vocals with Will Ramos'. I heared they officialy started this last week. I just found out. I'll put it in the main comment.
I love finding reactors doing this song. You did not disappoint. The look on your face was priceless. She's a powerhouse. BTW, This video was done to showcase their new drummer.
Welcome to the Jinjer family! :) The song is about the mythos of the PISCES sign and what it teaches us. The back and white balanced within the same being, the multiple sides of our own personality, the eternal struggle within us, the battle between light and dark that makes us all human. Every musician in Jinjer is a master of their craft. Vlad, the drummer is an accomplished classical pianist for crying out loud :) LOL Taty is simply mind blowing, her growling technique is second to none, but her sultry first register combined with her powerful belts just makes it for a complete singer. She is also a great poet and she brings that into the fold for Jinjer. I am yet to hear one bad song by them, these guys are simply the BEST "new" metal band around right now in my humble opinion. Their songs mix complex time signatures with beautiful and catchy melodies with POP sensibilities. Add in absolutely brutal passages and it is a tough combination to beat. I would highly recommend you listen to wallflower next.
I'm very happy that you enjoyed your reaction to this song! If you'd like to see more of her face/body as she performs, I suggest that you watch a live performance.
LOVE your reaction! I don't care for growling either, but I love this band. The styles and the musicianship makes them special. Oddly, she has about 10 more voices you haven't heard yet. Understanding lyrics on the first take is difficult, but believe me, in the 70s we didn't understand a lot of classic rock either, but if you love the music you will research the lyrics. Check out more of them, they don't dissapoint.
You would probably love their one take session of "Judgement and Punishment". It displays further their diversity and prowess. My personal favorite has to be either "Perennial" live at Wacken, or the official video of "I Speak Astronomy". Loved the reaction, I subscribed. Hope to see more, welcome to the rabbit hole.
Their track I Speak Astronomy is a prog metal epic with multiple time signatures and Tati flipping between smooth and staccato phrasing, doing her growls and topping it off with some more high belts at the end.
I saw them live last year & her vocals were spot on. Im also amazed how great the drummer is with such a minimalist drum kit. Great reaction video. Thanks :)
Jess, I just love the way you react to all these music and how interesting is for you to understand lyrics of the songs you're discovering. I also love how you express all the things you have learned by studing them. I really appreciate it. I don't know if others reactors do what you do and the way you do, and it's so precious. Congrats for being original and educative. Love your channel! 😊
She has an incredible one take version of her song, judgment and punishment, where the camera doesn’t leave her face on a profile view. Thank you for your expertise and review. Tatiana is amazing.
Welcome to Jinjer! I hope you continue with this amazing band and vocalist, they have a very deep catalog of awesome songs for you to discover! Great reaction!
-After becoming a fan of reaction videos, I saw reactions for this song pop up a number of times as suggestions. I decided to check the song out and, being a Gen-X’er as well as a Pisces also, was blown away by it. After a few poor choices at the time of other songs, I am a huge fan of this band. I saw them live in December in the 1st concert that I had been to in “Damn, I’m Old!” years and seeing them again on July 31st while still going on the slow deep dive I’ve voluntarily taken. -The two “sides” remind me of the song “This Love” by Pantera. Both start with the character that the vocalist is portraying being reserved and maybe a bit unsure of what they’re wanting to say. When it comes to the chorus, that’s when the other side comes out and takes over. With the second verse, they go back to that first side. However, they’re not as timid and are more sure of what they’re thinking. Great storytelling. -No matter how many times I hear this song, I have to stop whatever I’m doing at “Pisces swimming through the river.” That belt will never not get me. Tatiana is such an amazing and versatile vocalist. -As I’ve become more and more of a fan, I can’t help but see comparisons between them and Queen. The first way is that both have vocalists with incredible talent who possess a charisma that draws the audience’s attention. However, when you listen to them and get past her amazing vocals, you realize just how good the rest of the band is. You realize that this is a band and not just a singer with a backing band. The other way is music philosophy. Years ago, I was riding around with someone when “Crazy Little Thing Called Love” came on the radio. When the person I was with asked who it was, I told them it was Queen, which drew a double take from them. They said that it didn’t sound like Queen which made me think “What does Queen sound like?” They went all across the musical spectrum and did it so well. With Jinjer, I’ve had that same feeling. They’re labeled as Metal/Metalcore but incorporate a variety of influences in a masterful way. -While “Pisces” was the song that got my attention(I work hard not to say that it “hooked” me), what made me a fan was “Bad Water.” As I eluded to, the other songs I checked out weren’t connecting with me and I almost became just a fan of the song but not the band. What I was looking for another “Pisces” and I wasn’t getting it. One day, I checked out the official live video for “Bad Water.” After listening to it, the first thing I thought was “I get it now.”
You can endlessly watch how the water flows, the fire burns and how the opera singer reacts to song Pisces from Jinder. :) Thank you very much for your reaction.
Yay! Another Jinjer Pisces reaction that I hadn't seen :) Me and a few others make a hobby of watching reactions to this song :) A few tidbits I've learned about Tatiana and the band: "Heavy Vocals" a.k.a. the growl utilises a different part of the throat - the part that we use to make a heave sound. It took Tatiana 12 years to train her growl this way. But this is how she can switch cleanly between the two styles. Another bit of info: This video was made to highlight their new drummer, who has had no formal training in drums - he is a classically trained pianist who taught himself so he could play in Jinjer. A great one to prove she's actually making that noise is Perennial Live at Wacken. Welcome to Jinjer!
I’ve watched about a hundred reaction videos to this performance and yours is my favorite. Open minded. Thoughtful. Authentic emotions. Thank you and kudos.
7:10 You feel the work needed to grawl properly, without destroying your vocal chords despite they are "Heavy duty" for this exercise. And yes, she can litterally grawl at anyone, anywhere, anytime, that's her level of mastering the technique and the instrument (it is her voice, of course !) ❤ And just to say, switching from sweet to grawl or inverse is an exercise by itself 😅 12:40 Yes, you say it right, it is that contrast making a great rock ballad ! Grawling with grace is not given to everyone, thank you for refreshing Jinjer in my deficient memory ❤👍🖖
6:32 I grew up with death metal criticism. The easy way to explain the lyrics part is the same as opera lyrics. I watch your own performance in you channel home page and even though it’s in French (I’m Canadian and French is my first language) I couldn’t understand a word. It’s exactly the same with harsh vocals. Once you get use to the genre, your brain makes the connection and you become more aware of the lyrics. Hope that makes sense ❤
Welcome to the Jinjer rabbit hole. It is a rewarding one. After watching many reactions I noticed that professional musicians of ANY trade, from Hip hop through country to Opera, are most fascinated by it, because they are able to recognise what level of skill this requires (or simply - recognise greatness) and also the how cleverly it is written.
Seen alot of reaction videos, this is one of the best. Your comment on facial expression is spot on. I always wait for the demon face at 15:15, right before her eyes go behind the mike.
I hope you'll check out their other stuff too because Pisces is really just an entry point, effective for reaction videos because of the surprise, but they have so many better songs than this one 😄 "Perennial live at Wacken" is a good example of how they perform live ❤
I agree about the point of entry. Pisces is the gateway drug. And I know the band themselves don't regard it as one of their favorite songs. Maybe they got tired of the same reactions over and over, everyone freaking on Tatiana's vocal duality, when the video was meant to showcase new drummer Vlad. But to me Pisces is a classical level composition that perfectly highlights the stylistic contrasts of the band, establishing a mood, subtly building tension leading into the shock of the chorus; with peaks and valleys, each peak cresting subtly higher and higher into the final payoff of the last crescendo as emeralds are ripped away. It's an emotional rollercoaster, and the lyrics express and follow the duality perfectly. For me Pisces is the perfect distillation of Jinjer's sound and style. Not their heaviest song by a long shot, nor their most complex. But one of their more expressive and well-crafted distillations of their niche. Contrast.
I love how every single one of the reactions I've seen on this song specifically go from amazement to horror but amazed at the same time LOL. Love it. #MetalHeadByChoice I can't wait to see her tomorrow in Raleigh!!!
In a tea time chat with Elizabeth on The Charismatic Voice sje said that after hearing Otep Shamaya doing harsh vocals she was inspired and basically went to edge of town and tried screaming until she found something that both sounded good and didn't hurt too much. She herself has no further technical knowledge of exactly how the sound is created. Could be false fold, could be fry scream or a mix or something else
I concur. As I said in my comment I believe she is doing a series on harsh vocals learning from those who do. There is a cute short of her at a kitchen table doing her own harsh vocals.
That was probably ist Jinjer reaction I saw and it is FKN classic love how she is now a full on metal head ! 2nd one is fairy voice mother and the cup of tea just at the start of the chorus classic !!! she then starts teaching flapping vocal chord technique awesome reaction
@@davidpetersonharvey Yeah no true vocal fold engagement but beyond that we don't really know exactly. Luckily Tatiana is part of the expanded research that The Charismatic Voice and her team started with Will Ramos so soon there will be camera footage and muscle activity sensor data of exactly what she is doing
I am deffinitely in agreement with everybody suggesting Judgement and punishment (one take vocal performance) as your next Jinjer reaction. Also, if you feel like exploring these type of vocals/music may I reccomend Spiritbox (songs Holy Roller, Rule of Nines, Constance). Courtney, their vocalist, has a lot of amazing one take performance videos too.
First and foremost, if that’s your voice at the end, I want to hear more of that. Second, I love this very respectful reaction. I have an intense fascination for opera; I think it’s a wonderful enigma. So it is quite a treat to hear what an opera vocalist thinks of one of my favorite metal videos. This band is from Ukraine and they toured very close to non-stop for their First Seven Years - going through personnel changes in the process. I got into Jinjer’s music at one of the hardest times: post-divorce. I never get sick of reactions to this one-take play through of “Pisces”. The reactions just keep coming! It’s such a beautiful song.
Loved your reaction. I couldn't believe that sound came out of her either, the first time I heard them...now I love them. I also appreciate it that, although the growl is not your cup of tea, you were very fascinated by it. Also, I like that you acknowledged the talent of the other band members.
Oh man, if you do 'judgment and punishment ' you will see her do other styles as well! And it's one take performance let's you see her vocal production quite well.
The band is Roman on guitar, Eugene on bass and Vlad on drums and, of course, Tatiana on vocals. They are from the Ukraine. Tati is a Pisces. She wrote most of the lyrics but asked Eugene for help to finish it. He has stated that he tried to write about Tatiana but felt in the end what he wrote was like a self-confession. I believe the last six lines were his contribution. I think the song is about a duel personality with the dark side influenced by abusive relationships (perhaps).
It’s great to see you have found Jinjer! I was wondering if this group was going to show up on your channel. Their music can be very complex and of course the singer is very surprising. Your reactions and analysis of music are always very good, you point out things that others do not. I hope you can do more reactions to Jinjer and maybe use the sheet music next time, I really like it when you go over the music structure.
Scale armor is the projected hard exterior, which belies (or disguises) the interior virginal innocence. This represents the dichotomy of the two fish. Tatiana's birthday is March 15; making her a Pisces - like myself
Just found you. Fellow Tati and Jinjer fans dig the pros being introduced to the band. Above all, i gotta give you mad props for your production choices. The use of reply edits thruout the clip; narrating thru the parts you choose to analyze for us; using word graphics to communicate without stopping the song playback.....great stuff.
Tati is a vocal beast and renowned for switching styles instantly. Her speaking voice is quite low for a woman, so the high belt in the end part is something she rarely does live - it'd strain her voice too much to keep singing hour and a half, so she usually growls it. On the album recording there's growl and belt overlaid. The rough vocals here are usually referred as growling, signature for death metal and derivatives. (Jinjer defies easy genre definitions, but deathcore, mix of metalcore and death metal, is the usual label). Because her growls are made with false vocal folds she's not limited by the range of the true vocal folds and can thus go lower than the speaking voice. But it did take some *serious* amount of practicing to get there. This particular song is quite straightforward for Jinjer, both vocally and compositionally. Other songs feature reggae, jazz and other styles on clean vocals, often several in one song. The lyrics you easily find on the web are wrong on the first line of the chorus: it's "scale armour belies", which makes more sense, too. The song is about duality of pisces, reflected for example in one going for life and another for death. If you look at the opening verses, you see it describe her putting up a nice and harmless face out to hide the turmoil inside, and then the chorus kind of reveals what she tries to keep hidden. So it's again the duality - the face she puits to the world, and real her.
14:14 about the mouth movement: thats because growling inherently has no pitch, its only\ noise and tone, so the main way to control the sound comes from the mouth shapes. With proper technique its actually very effortless and comfortable, and uses much less airflow than one would expect, but it’s also quieter than it seems without any amplification.
Damn I have missed you reacting to metal! Nice to see you again haha:) I think the last proper metal reaction I saw from you was Epica - Consign to Oblivion over a year ago, which probably was your first real exposure to harsh vocals as well.
When she "growls" it's actually softer than when she sings. That's why she has a specific type of Mic but she's been doing it for years and she can switch on a dime. She's a master at her craft.
Ah, yes, the oh, so subtle discovery of what lovely Tatiana brings to the vocal table...reminds me of John Wick, as Aurelio explains to Vigo: "Well, he stole John Wick's car, sir, and killed his dog"... Vigo's response: "oh." Priceless!
I highly recommend checking out sleep token they have a vocalist that is absolutely inhuman and his range is amazing even down to using his breathing musically.
Finally, someone who takes a closer look at the lyrics!! Immediately subscribed. BTW, if I am not mistaken, we call this false chord singing, and in the scene, we consider this a growl, as opposed to the screamo you mentioned. Thanks for the reaction!
I am thrilled you covered Jinjer! They are from Ukraine. Eugene, the bass player, never played until college and is completely self taught. Tatiana (Tetiana, but changed for ease...) is from the Donbas region and her city of Donetsk has been occupied by Russia since the start of the war. They had to tour non stop when war broke out in Crimea because they could not return home (2012). As a result, they were broke but their music is really tight and live they are incredible. This song is their break out piece. They are touring now at the behest of their country to garner support for their people. If anyone wants, they have shirts on their Jinjer webpage with all proceeds going to help civilians in Ukraine. I never was a fan of growling, but Jinjer has become my favorite band today. Great energy and story with a unique sound.
Loving the Jinjer reaction, I'm a huge fan of the band. Keep 'em coming. She uses a vocal technique common in metal called growling. It uses the false vocal folds to create distortion. It takes a long time to learn properly and Tati is one of the best. And the guys are incredible. I saw them live in Atlanta in December and they tore it up. And she does that flawlessly all night. You need to hear them live, I'd recommend "Perennial" (live at Wacken 2019).
Great video! I think you made every Jinjer fan grin when you said you thought a change was coming. We knew you still weren't expecting THAT. I don't know where "screamo" came from, but I just refer to the vocal techniques using distortion that you often hear in metal as "harsh vocals". There are different flavors. Some sound like screaming, some like growling, sometimes there's a mix. Tatiana can do both, which you kind of hear in this one. She is more growly in the chorus, but the final line is much closer to a scream. Pisces is kind of different from most of Jinjer's music because the point of the song is to highlight the two sides of Tatiana's thoughts and feelings. I think her clean vocals are slightly more poppy than in other songs and you've only heard a portion of her harsh vocals. I'm sure there are already tons of comments reminding Perennial live at Wacken. It's a good one, but there are plenty of other videos you'll enjoy too. Her one take performance of Judgement and Punishment will give you a clear look at her body as she sings.
I absolutely love your analysis that's coming from your operatic training. Pisces the fish has a duality and that's what the lyrics denote. One brings life. The second rush to death. I hope that this helps makes sense of the lyrics.
Great analyses of where the lyrics go in the grunt part vs where they were before. Also that you combine this with the analysis of the expression of Tatiana. Good stuff.
That was a great reaction Jess - thank you. There are so many good Jinjer tracks that you can't go wrong. For what you want though, the One Take Performance of Judgement And Punishment is easily the best thing to watch, since (I suspect) it was done specifically for vocal coach reactors to use, being an uninterupted close-up video of Tati singing the whole song. You probably don't want to do the same song twice, but just for your own kicks, you should also watch the official video of Judgement And Punishment to see Tati having WAAAY too much fun as a woods-witch. My favorite is the official video for Teacher, Teacher, and another good one is the live video of Who Is Gonna To Be The One, which gives you a good idea of her live stage presence, and also just how eclectic the band's music can be. Also, some absolutely killer bass licks from Eugene...
Interesting tune and excellent analysis! I had never heard of Jinjer before today. (There is so much music out there to listen to that it's hard to get to everything right away. Everybody doesn't know something, whether they admit it or not). My virtually immediate impression, about five seconds in, was "HIATUS KAIYOTE," in bold caps, but more mainstream-sounding. The death metal sections were almost sonic punchlines for me. I think I laughed out loud out of pure shock. Such an about-face. I guess that is in keeping with the Pisces theme. A gifted vocalist who is capable of sounding like two or three entities in one. "‘Pisces swimming in the river, all your life against the stream" - as a Pisces myself, yeah, that sums it up quite succinctly.
Another soprano you should check out is Zora of Blackbriar. Zora is magical No one else like her And how she voice mastery of the subtle tones runs and flips. My Souls Demise is a great song.
One of the most talented vocalists in music...and definitely one of the best frontpersons in live music. Tati is a savage live...she definitely has the "it" factor, as does the whole band.
14:15. The screaming has little to no pitch. Similar to white noise. You can modulate the "shape" of the sound by changing the shape of your mouth. Ther are a couple different techniques for making a scream/growl sound and the rest is modulation by changing the shape of the instrument.
I've seen them live - definitely worth it! Check out some of their other stuff. This band is one of those that open people's eyes for the metal genre 😉
Amazing how this song has been picked apart by singers and vocal coaches yet you still offer something new. I haven't seen anyone else mention how the lyrics shift from verse to chorus. One thing I'd like to point out is the distance between Tatiana and the mic when she doing cleans versus when she's doing the growl. I've known a couple of people who can do the growl vocals and they always stay nearly on top of the mic because it's not a style where you can really project.
Man, reaction to this song never gets old. :) Your face was priceless. 😂 There are several female vocalist who can do this. Alissa White-Gluz, Adrienne Cowan and even Floor Jansen (listen to Yours is an empty hope, Wembley 2015).
I've heard this song literally more than a hundred times, and have seen as many reactions to it. Your's is one of the best! Your overall analysis of all aspects of this song was really really good (I just can't remember having heard so much intelligent reflexion of all these aspects). Especially your thoughts at the beginning that there has to come "something heavier" due to Tatis looks - 😂😂😂. And then of course your surprise painted on your face when Tatis dark growling voice starts! I appreciate too that you got into the lyrics - too bad that you didn't come to the part at the end where this "innocent virgin" little fish is slaughtered by those "handsome butchers"- for me a very poetic and at the same time very true picture of our lovely/cruel paradise/hell earth that we are condemned to live in. This becomes an even heavier touch when you consider that Jinjer is a Ukrainian band and what is happening there right now. Gives me some feeling of "shivering inside" too. . Congratulations to your reaction!👍👍👍😀And of course: You are a Pro who knows everything about voice and singing (growling and harsh vocals taking apart of course) - I bet it would be joyful hear you singing!
Lovely reaction. I can hear/feal you are knowledgeable.There is so much to discover in the works of this miracle of a band. I think the vocaliste is, together with male college Michael Akerfeldt, one of the best and most digestable growlers in the business. Because of them I can now listen to this form of vocal technique without reservations. Btw: The more I listen to 'Pisces', the more I think it's not just their super viral click bait shocker, but also their most brilliant song in every way. Thank you.
I've watched dozens of these reactions and this is deffo comes across as one of the genuine ones. I would recommend Who is Gonna be The One live but some others here have also recommended great alternatives for the second reaction. The 3rd one though definately needs to be the official video for Teacher Teacher, my personal favourite song of theirs
In my humble opinion, the meaning of the song, in particular the chorus, is to represent the duality of "Piscis", witch is represented by 2 fishes "swimming" in opposite directions: "one being brings life, another runs for death". Also what I get from the song is no matter what the world brings you or what happens around you, you can choose to be who you are, any of those personalities, you can see in many of the verses: "I drew a different reality...", "Ego hardly can be picked cos I'm selfless", "hooks and nets are there for me but I'm skittish"... But again, this is just my opinion 😊
I am a performing artist-musician and vocalist with some opera training. I have seen close to 100 reviews of this, and you are so amazing at this. The best so far, thank you!
I was smiling all the time during your first pause and talking about the contrast and not expecting that voice from her, even speculating the song may change directions.
Loved this reaction, I always like seeing people with different musical backgrounds analyze songs like this because it’s so interesting what people notice about it based on their music education. I heard that Tatiana writes her lyrics in Russian since that’s her first language and then she translates them into English, which I think kinda gives it a really unique style!
Wow, thoughtful analysis - respect! (And as a musician and theory geek was happy to hear you pick out the Sol - or min 9th - chord the guitarist played during the verses:) Jinjer is one of the best progressive metal bands in the game now. What’s more they’re all essentially war refugees from east Ukraine which makes them that much more special.
I think watching classical singers and vocal coaches react to this song is gonna be a new comfort thing for me. the surprise moment is always brilliant.
My favourite sport lately 😂😂
It is for me for sure
She broke herself with no choices in that matter regardless of being a strong lady. Her life got fucked not her . Power pay attention ladies okay. She is amazing as she is. No accept just love for who she is.
The whole damn band is amazing though. Truth
... to help remove confusion... the line is "Scale armor BELIES virgin innocence"...
Heck out “The Charismatic Voice” , Elizabeth Zharoff and her interviews with Will Ramos. They actually put a camera in his throat and recorded his vocal folds while he was singing like this!
This song goes from 7/8 to 6/8 regularly. It gives it its edge even in the smooth sections. Vlad, the drummer, is a classically-trained pianist.
Yeah... but the best part is when it goes from 0 to 100!
this video was made to Highlight the new drummers (Vlad) skills, and Take on Pisces. Vlad is Self taught, stepped in in his old band when they needed a drummer and vlad made the best decision of his life to try it out.
I feel 7/8 in the beginning guitar riff and 6/8 when the drum beat changes still in the verse. However the count for the pre chorus is a 4/4 feeling to me with the rimshots, and the chorus is a "4/4" feeling as well but with 5 bars before it repeats. A lot of the djent type of music does a lot of over the bar type of riffs. The way the time changes are so seamless, keeps me coming back to this song.
Just FYI. It alternates between 3/4 and 4/4 during the first two verses, another way of saying that is that it's at 7/8 all the time, but it does not go from 7/8 to 6/8.
@@janfransson5910 Time stamps for this video not the original.
0:10-0:46 7/8
I understand your point about counting it as 3/4 and 4/4 alternating here if you want, no argument.
0:46-1:06 6/8 Here however its a swing type feel. 7 doesn't fit, its only six.
4:23-4:32 I count as 4/4 but could be subdivided as 3/8 and 5/8 repeating if that feels better for ya.
I would suggest watching the One Take Live performance of "Judgement and Punishment", so you can see her body and facial adjustments as she sings very clearly as it stays focused on her.
i highly agree with this... a prefect side view of her singing the entire song
Yes definitely agree!
Hell yes.. That cut is amazing
This studio session is basically a studio recording for the "at the time" new drummer, Vlad, so the vocals are the album version with layers, etc. Tatiana is a Pisces, and the soft/harsh vocals are reflecting the duality of the two sides of her personality, along with the fish references and her plugs in her earlobes have fish on them.
The most common follow ups to Pisces are one of a couple live concert performances, like "Perrenial" at Wacken 2019, or "Who is gonna be the one" which I believe was at an Atlas Festival. Others go directly to her One Take Vocal performance of "Judgement & Punishment", which is just the camera on her singing in a booth at her home the entire time, so you can see what she's doing as she sings.
Thank you for this!
absolutely agree - Perenial and Judgment and Punishment should be next to react to. Tatiana is unique singer and band is very skilled and talented also.
Yeah, Eugene said in an interview that live vocals have a slight delay on it, but studio vocals are doubled and the harsh vocals have a pitch shifter and slight distortion on it which seems to be par for the course when producing this style of music. If you listen to concert footage you get the raw experience of her extreme vocals.
@@rikardottosson1272 - I've watched every interview they've ever done, and unless it was in a written interview, I don't recall ever hearing Eugene saying that they added distortion to the vocals in this or in any other song. What for? It would just remove the clarity of Tatiana's enunciation when growling and that's something she would never agree with. And it's not like she needs it, really.
@Soprano Notes Just FYI, if you do the Wacken performance, it's in Germany so it's pronounced Vocken.
Welcome to Jinjer. The band is amazing and Tati is a vocal goddess. The song is about the duality of the Pisces personality. (Refer to the yin-yang symbol for pisces). The growling is produced through the use of her false vocal folds. You would really enjoy "Judgement and Punishment" (One take vocal performance); it would allow you to view her singing techniques upclose. Very good analysis and reaction. (Subbed)
@Jeff Wellman is 100% correct. Also Judgement and Punishment One Take is probably my favorite performance of hers
This song is pretty much all about Tati. How she is usually giving, kind and selfless. But she can be self critical and insecure and shy. But today she's going to be a friend to herself. Meaning she's gonna cut herself some slack instead of being overtly self critical. The harsh parts refer to the walls she puts up like armor. ie fish scales look like chain mail glistening in the sun. Fish being the sign for Pisces. Sometimes she can be fun and full of life and sometimes she can be self destructive.
Actually, if you false these growls, you will utterly ruin your vocal cords. There is some use of them for pitch, but the majority actually comes from the gut.
@@trinity0006 lets not forget Perennial live at wacken
*Та-ак! Це наші Хлопці з Тетяною‼… - З її неймовірним чоловічим гроулінгом, і скримінгом, та й із сопрано у неї - теж усе гаразд‼* (ᵔᴥᵔ)
- Щоправда ось тільки, це єдина Їхня пісня, яка так злетіла…. (ІМХО).
До того ж, цю пісню _- «Pisces»_ - вона на концертах у турах виконує трохи неканонічно, так би мовити (15:25 - без свого цього сопрано). (Втім, це так, можливо, не у всіх випадках…).
_- Здоровенькі були!…_
*_P.S. (ПРИМІТКА):_*
Пісня _«Pisces»_ - про соціально-антиутопічний стан справ Людини/Молодої людини в Соціумі, - з екзистенційно-філософським контекстом, - не без морального підтексту (‼).
*Тобто, Рибний зміст всієї цієї Пісні - це, насправді, одна велика метафора: ↓↓*
• Пісня не про риб так таких, а про Молодих людей, це яким за умовчанням (!) претить Доросле життя, це яке й сліду не залишить у результаті, - від їхньої у них інфантильності….
Інфантильність (!) для таких Людей - це їхня свобода та їхня заколотність, як їхня воля до їхнього вільного життя…. І все це (↑) дуже прагне придушити (Emeralds are ripped away) лицемірне та цинічне Доросле життя (On cutting tables of callous men…) (‼).
• Але є й інші Молоді люди, які - навпаки - всією своєю душею прагнуть у це-таке Доросле життя, - не боячись ні його відповідальностей, ні його інших тягарів (‼), це які можуть затягнути на дно безнадії (не всіх Відчайдушних (!), звичайно ж, але тим не менше). На дно безнадійності, - за втратою, в першу чергу, себе (свого покликання…) та своєї Особи у Соціумі….
- Якось так…. (^̮^)
*І - ІМХО, звісно.*
_UPD:_
*М-м-м,* так-то, так, я розумію, що ця пісня Тетяни про себе ж саму, *ну, точніше* - про Натури людей, які живуть під знаком зодіаку - Риби. *Розумію не з чуток* (у мене Старша сестра - теж Риби (!)), *що* таких Людей все кидає по життю, - з крайності у крайність ….
*Але, читаючи її текст цієї пісні, вимальовується в голові картина, - не про неї конкретно, а про соціально-антиутопічний стан справ Людини/Молодої людини в Соціумі … (ДИВИСЬ про це, - тут же, трохи вище).*
_- Всього доброго!…_ ㋡
OMG finally.....and it's not like we weren't telling you about Jinjer - Pisces over 2 years now Jessica 😤......🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for reacting to this Jess.....I LIVE to see a reactor caught off-guard! 😂🤩
Love the FACT that you're DEFINITELY NOT READY for the change in her vocal dynamics when she changes... (NOBODY is ready straight off the bat, so to speak). PRICELESS!!!!
Unless this isn't the first Jinjer song you've heard. Since others are more like Death Metal throughout.
@@michaelrue1400 I wholeheartedly Agree, Brother... Jinjer is in the DEATH METAL genre. Tatiana, their Vocalist, is a BEAST... she is so versatile (& her vocal range/styling spans everything from Death Metal to Reggae). No wonder why they took off musically as a group.
Never gets old watching the first time people see the transition to *that* voice!
I enjoyed your reaction. Jinjer has been one of my favorite bands for the last 5 years. Jinger uses a very solid jazz fondation in many of their songs they have also incorporated Reggie into their music. A new Jinjer song is like a musical adventure, it is hard to predict what twist or turn it's going to take.
Hi Jess, thanks for another great reaction. As far as I understand the lyrics, this song is about the duality (Pisces) of someone who has emotionally suffered during relationships but is fighting the insecurity and trauma of those experiences in order to find a meaningful relationship. Have a great evening and thank you for the upload.
Thanks for sharing your interpretation
Great synopsis.
Two of the band members are Pisces. The singer, Tatiana and the Bassist, Eugene. Both of them contributed lyrically to this song but Tati is the main lyricist for most of their songs. Yes, this song is about being a Pisces and embraces the duality of the sign (one being brings life, another runs for death). Did you notice the little goldfish in her gauges? ( edit: the more a person listens to the harsh vocals the easier they are to understand. the ears and the brain will teach itself to recognize what's being said just like when you learn a new language)
I don’t think I noticed her gauges, nice point. Thanks for bringing some clarity to the song meaning 😊
It took me almost a month of listening while reading lyrics but I'm primarily kinesthetic and secondary visual so hearing isn't my thing and I notice reactors who are new to growls but more auditory picking it up faster.
@@j.f.fisher5318 I'm usually not into growling(the only songs of Cradle of Filth I can listen to are with female vocals like in Nymphetamine that contrast with Danny's growls that I can't stomach on their own) and can't understand most of what they're saying sometimes even with lyrics in front of me but Tatiana's growls to me sound so clear, I easily understand the lyrics without even reading it. Maybe me being Russian and her being Russian-speaking Ukrainian, so similar accents, have something to do with that too.
I feel this is the best new metal band I’ve heard in years. The overall package is fantastic. Guitar plants great her voice is phenomenal and she growls like a dragon. It’s unbelievable I’m impressed. Thanks for the critique.
This song is about the suffering of animals. In this instance fish
"Scale armor blaze...": I believe this line is actually "Scale armor belies virgin innocence". I don't know if this might help with drawing meaning from the lyrics, but thought I'd offer that as a possible alternative line. Also, I love that you pointed out the lack of first person pronouns (I/me/my) in the chorus! You mentioned wanted to see her more closely--there's a video of her doing a one-take vocal for Judgment and Punishment that really shows her face and neck clearly.
Thanks for the lyric reference! I just could not understand that line at all.
Also looking forward to seeing her more closely in performances.
Tatiana has actually said herself that it is blaze in a livestream where someone asked it, but i agree it sounds more like belies
@@helgehansen363 Oh wow! Thanks for correcting me. I've always seen why "blaze" fits with the imagery, because of the line later, where she says "Meet me flashing...". But that's just not what my ears have always heard--and "belies" also fits that line with the duality theme. I'm glad to know what she actually wrote!
Definitely "scale armor belies".
@@tommillsap7120 - It's been "debunked" by Tatiana, why do people keep saying it's definitely something else?
Great reaction! So glad you enjoyed it! Jinjer is really unlike anyone else in the business right now. They are a full package with near perfect synergy. A general term for growling is harsh vocals, which can include the low false cord roar and the higher vocal fry scream which is more common in "screamo". Jinjer calls themselves progressive metalcore and groove metal. There are so many good songs, I would recommend "Perennial" live at Wacken, "Judgement and Punishment" one take, (as you can see Tati close up), and "Teacher, Teacher". The drummer is Vlad, and they made this video to showcase him and really was a perfect fit. He is actually a classically trained pianist. Tati btw is a Pisces, and the chorus symbolism draws directly to the Ying and yang nature of the sign. Can't wait to see more from you soon!
Great explanation, Jeff! This helps a ton ☺
@@jessicasopranonotes check out eivor from the faeroese islands. she has some serious vocal techniques you've never heard before, from high to low, from tribal to modern, including kulning and throat singing.
Agreed, seen them twice in concert so far and it's always and awesome show!
Who’s Gonna Be The One
The live version should be your next reaction to Jinjer. She has such a presence on stage and the end will shock you. Her talent!
If you want to know how it is done, ask 'The Charismatic Voice' here on youtube. Opera singer Elizabeth Zharoff can explain a lot because she learned how to use such a harse voice/sound in a healthy way. I hope you will be able to comprehend how such things can be done. Please let us know .
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Elizabeth works with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe on the course 'The Ultimate Path to Extreme Vocals with Will Ramos'. I heared they officialy started this last week.
Elizabeth also did a long sit down interview with Tati about a year ago.
The best explanation of Tatis techniques is from the analysis made by The Fairy Voice Mother .. and she can definitely growl as well
@@cooltechnician Yep she can 😁
Elizabeth works with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe on the course 'The Ultimate Path to Extreme Vocals with Will Ramos'. I heared they officialy started this last week. I just found out. I'll put it in the main comment.
One of the best reactions I've seen of Pisces....and I've seen a loooot! Subbed🤘
Thanks Frank!
I think is the best one I've saw.
I love finding reactors doing this song. You did not disappoint. The look on your face was priceless. She's a powerhouse. BTW, This video was done to showcase their new drummer.
Welcome to the Jinjer family! :)
The song is about the mythos of the PISCES sign and what it teaches us. The back and white balanced within the same being, the multiple sides of our own personality, the eternal struggle within us, the battle between light and dark that makes us all human.
Every musician in Jinjer is a master of their craft. Vlad, the drummer is an accomplished classical pianist for crying out loud :) LOL
Taty is simply mind blowing, her growling technique is second to none, but her sultry first register combined with her powerful belts just makes it for a complete singer. She is also a great poet and she brings that into the fold for Jinjer.
I am yet to hear one bad song by them, these guys are simply the BEST "new" metal band around right now in my humble opinion. Their songs mix complex time signatures with beautiful and catchy melodies with POP sensibilities. Add in absolutely brutal passages and it is a tough combination to beat.
I would highly recommend you listen to wallflower next.
I'm very happy that you enjoyed your reaction to this song! If you'd like to see more of her face/body as she performs, I suggest that you watch a live performance.
LOVE your reaction! I don't care for growling either, but I love this band. The styles and the musicianship makes them special. Oddly, she has about 10 more voices you haven't heard yet. Understanding lyrics on the first take is difficult, but believe me, in the 70s we didn't understand a lot of classic rock either, but if you love the music you will research the lyrics. Check out more of them, they don't dissapoint.
10 more? 😱😲
I remember when I couldn't understand what James Hetfield was saying in the 80's😂
@@jessicasopranonotes 😃
@@jessicasopranonotes I couldn't understand opera when I started listening either... Mostly because of the Italian... ;)
@@horscategorieunderrated comment 😂
You would probably love their one take session of "Judgement and Punishment". It displays further their diversity and prowess. My personal favorite has to be either "Perennial" live at Wacken, or the official video of "I Speak Astronomy". Loved the reaction, I subscribed. Hope to see more, welcome to the rabbit hole.
Thanks for the recommendation, I've written this performance down :) Lovely to have you as part of the community!
I agree - Add This too - Earlier Jinjer - (still after Pisces break out, but still early) th-cam.com/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/w-d-xo.html
Their track I Speak Astronomy is a prog metal epic with multiple time signatures and Tati flipping between smooth and staccato phrasing, doing her growls and topping it off with some more high belts at the end.
An awesome performance, which showcases the top-drawer talent of Jinjer ... a must see!🙂👍
I saw them live last year & her vocals were spot on. Im also amazed how great the drummer is with such a minimalist drum kit. Great reaction video. Thanks :)
Jess, I just love the way you react to all these music and how interesting is for you to understand lyrics of the songs you're discovering. I also love how you express all the things you have learned by studing them. I really appreciate it. I don't know if others reactors do what you do and the way you do, and it's so precious. Congrats for being original and educative. Love your channel! 😊
Such a nice compliment, thanks Manuel!
She has an incredible one take version of her song, judgment and punishment, where the camera doesn’t leave her face on a profile view. Thank you for your expertise and review. Tatiana is amazing.
Welcome to Jinjer! I hope you continue with this amazing band and vocalist, they have a very deep catalog of awesome songs for you to discover! Great reaction!
Tatiana is a vocal beast. Also, your subs should blow up now. Great reaction.
I have seen Jinjer live twice, and will see them a 3rd time in August, and I can tell you she is as good vocally live as she is in the studio.
Really like the way you did your editing on this video, bringing in clips of the song covering exactly what you're talking about.
-After becoming a fan of reaction videos, I saw reactions for this song pop up a number of times as suggestions. I decided to check the song out and, being a Gen-X’er as well as a Pisces also, was blown away by it. After a few poor choices at the time of other songs, I am a huge fan of this band. I saw them live in December in the 1st concert that I had been to in “Damn, I’m Old!” years and seeing them again on July 31st while still going on the slow deep dive I’ve voluntarily taken.
-The two “sides” remind me of the song “This Love” by Pantera. Both start with the character that the vocalist is portraying being reserved and maybe a bit unsure of what they’re wanting to say. When it comes to the chorus, that’s when the other side comes out and takes over. With the second verse, they go back to that first side. However, they’re not as timid and are more sure of what they’re thinking. Great storytelling.
-No matter how many times I hear this song, I have to stop whatever I’m doing at “Pisces swimming through the river.” That belt will never not get me. Tatiana is such an amazing and versatile vocalist.
-As I’ve become more and more of a fan, I can’t help but see comparisons between them and Queen. The first way is that both have vocalists with incredible talent who possess a charisma that draws the audience’s attention. However, when you listen to them and get past her amazing vocals, you realize just how good the rest of the band is. You realize that this is a band and not just a singer with a backing band.
The other way is music philosophy. Years ago, I was riding around with someone when “Crazy Little Thing Called Love” came on the radio. When the person I was with asked who it was, I told them it was Queen, which drew a double take from them. They said that it didn’t sound like Queen which made me think “What does Queen sound like?” They went all across the musical spectrum and did it so well. With Jinjer, I’ve had that same feeling. They’re labeled as Metal/Metalcore but incorporate a variety of influences in a masterful way.
-While “Pisces” was the song that got my attention(I work hard not to say that it “hooked” me), what made me a fan was “Bad Water.” As I eluded to, the other songs I checked out weren’t connecting with me and I almost became just a fan of the song but not the band. What I was looking for another “Pisces” and I wasn’t getting it. One day, I checked out the official live video for “Bad Water.” After listening to it, the first thing I thought was “I get it now.”
You can endlessly watch how the water flows, the fire burns and how the opera singer reacts to song Pisces from Jinder. :) Thank you very much for your reaction.
Yay! Another Jinjer Pisces reaction that I hadn't seen :) Me and a few others make a hobby of watching reactions to this song :) A few tidbits I've learned about Tatiana and the band: "Heavy Vocals" a.k.a. the growl utilises a different part of the throat - the part that we use to make a heave sound. It took Tatiana 12 years to train her growl this way. But this is how she can switch cleanly between the two styles. Another bit of info: This video was made to highlight their new drummer, who has had no formal training in drums - he is a classically trained pianist who taught himself so he could play in Jinjer. A great one to prove she's actually making that noise is Perennial Live at Wacken. Welcome to Jinjer!
I’ve watched about a hundred reaction videos to this performance and yours is my favorite. Open minded. Thoughtful. Authentic emotions. Thank you and kudos.
7:10 You feel the work needed to grawl properly, without destroying your vocal chords despite they are "Heavy duty" for this exercise. And yes, she can litterally grawl at anyone, anywhere, anytime, that's her level of mastering the technique and the instrument (it is her voice, of course !) ❤ And just to say, switching from sweet to grawl or inverse is an exercise by itself 😅
12:40 Yes, you say it right, it is that contrast making a great rock ballad !
Grawling with grace is not given to everyone, thank you for refreshing Jinjer in my deficient memory ❤👍🖖
6:32 I grew up with death metal criticism. The easy way to explain the lyrics part is the same as opera lyrics. I watch your own performance in you channel home page and even though it’s in French (I’m Canadian and French is my first language) I couldn’t understand a word. It’s exactly the same with harsh vocals. Once you get use to the genre, your brain makes the connection and you become more aware of the lyrics. Hope that makes sense ❤
Welcome to the Jinjer rabbit hole. It is a rewarding one. After watching many reactions I noticed that professional musicians of ANY trade, from Hip hop through country to Opera, are most fascinated by it, because they are able to recognise what level of skill this requires (or simply - recognise greatness) and also the how cleverly it is written.
Seen alot of reaction videos, this is one of the best. Your comment on facial expression is spot on. I always wait for the demon face at 15:15, right before her eyes go behind the mike.
I hope you'll check out their other stuff too because Pisces is really just an entry point, effective for reaction videos because of the surprise, but they have so many better songs than this one 😄
"Perennial live at Wacken" is a good example of how they perform live ❤
Yes .. Perennial Live at Wacken is an excellent 2nd listen 👆👆
I agree about the point of entry. Pisces is the gateway drug. And I know the band themselves don't regard it as one of their favorite songs. Maybe they got tired of the same reactions over and over, everyone freaking on Tatiana's vocal duality, when the video was meant to showcase new drummer Vlad. But to me Pisces is a classical level composition that perfectly highlights the stylistic contrasts of the band, establishing a mood, subtly building tension leading into the shock of the chorus; with peaks and valleys, each peak cresting subtly higher and higher into the final payoff of the last crescendo as emeralds are ripped away. It's an emotional rollercoaster, and the lyrics express and follow the duality perfectly. For me Pisces is the perfect distillation of Jinjer's sound and style. Not their heaviest song by a long shot, nor their most complex. But one of their more expressive and well-crafted distillations of their niche. Contrast.
I love how every single one of the reactions I've seen on this song specifically go from amazement to horror but amazed at the same time LOL. Love it. #MetalHeadByChoice I can't wait to see her tomorrow in Raleigh!!!
In a tea time chat with Elizabeth on The Charismatic Voice sje said that after hearing Otep Shamaya doing harsh vocals she was inspired and basically went to edge of town and tried screaming until she found something that both sounded good and didn't hurt too much. She herself has no further technical knowledge of exactly how the sound is created. Could be false fold, could be fry scream or a mix or something else
I concur. As I said in my comment I believe she is doing a series on harsh vocals learning from those who do. There is a cute short of her at a kitchen table doing her own harsh vocals.
That was probably ist Jinjer reaction I saw and it is FKN classic love how she is now a full on metal head ! 2nd one is fairy voice mother and the cup of tea just at the start of the chorus classic !!!
she then starts teaching flapping vocal chord technique awesome reaction
This is false cold, no vocal cord engagement.
@@davidpetersonharvey Yeah no true vocal fold engagement but beyond that we don't really know exactly. Luckily Tatiana is part of the expanded research that The Charismatic Voice and her team started with Will Ramos so soon there will be camera footage and muscle activity sensor data of exactly what she is doing
You are amazing! Perfect commentary and reaction! ❤
Thank you! 😃
I am deffinitely in agreement with everybody suggesting Judgement and punishment (one take vocal performance) as your next Jinjer reaction. Also, if you feel like exploring these type of vocals/music may I reccomend Spiritbox (songs Holy Roller, Rule of Nines, Constance). Courtney, their vocalist, has a lot of amazing one take performance videos too.
First and foremost, if that’s your voice at the end, I want to hear more of that.
Second, I love this very respectful reaction. I have an intense fascination for opera; I think it’s a wonderful enigma. So it is quite a treat to hear what an opera vocalist thinks of one of my favorite metal videos. This band is from Ukraine and they toured very close to non-stop for their First Seven Years - going through personnel changes in the process. I got into Jinjer’s music at one of the hardest times: post-divorce.
I never get sick of reactions to this one-take play through of “Pisces”. The reactions just keep coming! It’s such a beautiful song.
Loved your reaction. I couldn't believe that sound came out of her either, the first time I heard them...now I love them. I also appreciate it that, although the growl is not your cup of tea, you were very fascinated by it. Also, I like that you acknowledged the talent of the other band members.
Oh man, if you do 'judgment and punishment ' you will see her do other styles as well! And it's one take performance let's you see her vocal production quite well.
Спасибо за эмоциональный и душевный отзыв! Татьяна никого не оставляет равнодушным!
The band is Roman on guitar, Eugene on bass and Vlad on drums and, of course, Tatiana on vocals. They are from the Ukraine.
Tati is a Pisces. She wrote most of the lyrics but asked Eugene for help to finish it. He has stated that he tried to write about Tatiana but felt in the end what he wrote was like a self-confession. I believe the last six lines were his contribution.
I think the song is about a duel personality with the dark side influenced by abusive relationships (perhaps).
Love listening to you break things down.
It’s great to see you have found Jinjer! I was wondering if this group was going to show up on your channel. Their music can be very complex and of course the singer is very surprising. Your reactions and analysis of music are always very good, you point out things that others do not. I hope you can do more reactions to Jinjer and maybe use the sheet music next time, I really like it when you go over the music structure.
The entire band is so talented it's refreshing and kinda scary how good they are
Such a great analysis :) well done. Your love and interest for any kind of music is really inspiring
Scale armor is the projected hard exterior, which belies (or disguises) the interior virginal innocence. This represents the dichotomy of the two fish.
Tatiana's birthday is March 15; making her a Pisces - like myself
What a great and genuine review! The ooooo's during the build up was hilarious if you know what's to come.
Just found you. Fellow Tati and Jinjer fans dig the pros being introduced to the band.
Above all, i gotta give you mad props for your production choices. The use of reply edits thruout the clip; narrating thru the parts you choose to analyze for us; using word graphics to communicate without stopping the song playback.....great stuff.
I appreciate the feedback! Thank you ☺️
Tati is a vocal beast and renowned for switching styles instantly.
Her speaking voice is quite low for a woman, so the high belt in the end part is something she rarely does live - it'd strain her voice too much to keep singing hour and a half, so she usually growls it. On the album recording there's growl and belt overlaid.
The rough vocals here are usually referred as growling, signature for death metal and derivatives. (Jinjer defies easy genre definitions, but deathcore, mix of metalcore and death metal, is the usual label).
Because her growls are made with false vocal folds she's not limited by the range of the true vocal folds and can thus go lower than the speaking voice. But it did take some *serious* amount of practicing to get there.
This particular song is quite straightforward for Jinjer, both vocally and compositionally. Other songs feature reggae, jazz and other styles on clean vocals, often several in one song.
The lyrics you easily find on the web are wrong on the first line of the chorus: it's "scale armour belies", which makes more sense, too.
The song is about duality of pisces, reflected for example in one going for life and another for death. If you look at the opening verses, you see it describe her putting up a nice and harmless face out to hide the turmoil inside, and then the chorus kind of reveals what she tries to keep hidden. So it's again the duality - the face she puits to the world, and real her.
Absolutely love your reactions! Thank you so much.
14:14 about the mouth movement: thats because growling inherently has no pitch, its only\ noise and tone, so the main way to control the sound comes from the mouth shapes. With proper technique its actually very effortless and comfortable, and uses much less airflow than one would expect, but it’s also quieter than it seems without any amplification.
Damn I have missed you reacting to metal! Nice to see you again haha:) I think the last proper metal reaction I saw from you was Epica - Consign to Oblivion over a year ago, which probably was your first real exposure to harsh vocals as well.
When she "growls" it's actually softer than when she sings.
That's why she has a specific type of Mic but she's been doing it for years and she can switch on a dime. She's a master at her craft.
Ah, yes, the oh, so subtle discovery of what lovely Tatiana brings to the vocal table...reminds me of John Wick, as Aurelio explains to Vigo: "Well, he stole John Wick's car, sir, and killed his dog"...
Vigo's response: "oh."
Priceless!
I highly recommend checking out sleep token they have a vocalist that is absolutely inhuman and his range is amazing even down to using his breathing musically.
Seconding Sleep Token @Soprano Notes. "Take me back to Eden", for instance, will not disappoint you I think.
Finally, someone who takes a closer look at the lyrics!! Immediately subscribed. BTW, if I am not mistaken, we call this false chord singing, and in the scene, we consider this a growl, as opposed to the screamo you mentioned. Thanks for the reaction!
Love your reaction. How you totally entered into her world. Great stuff. New subscriber here...
I am thrilled you covered Jinjer! They are from Ukraine. Eugene, the bass player, never played until college and is completely self taught. Tatiana (Tetiana, but changed for ease...) is from the Donbas region and her city of Donetsk has been occupied by Russia since the start of the war. They had to tour non stop when war broke out in Crimea because they could not return home (2012). As a result, they were broke but their music is really tight and live they are incredible. This song is their break out piece. They are touring now at the behest of their country to garner support for their people. If anyone wants, they have shirts on their Jinjer webpage with all proceeds going to help civilians in Ukraine. I never was a fan of growling, but Jinjer has become my favorite band today. Great energy and story with a unique sound.
Loving the Jinjer reaction, I'm a huge fan of the band. Keep 'em coming. She uses a vocal technique common in metal called growling. It uses the false vocal folds to create distortion. It takes a long time to learn properly and Tati is one of the best. And the guys are incredible. I saw them live in Atlanta in December and they tore it up. And she does that flawlessly all night. You need to hear them live, I'd recommend "Perennial" (live at Wacken 2019).
Great video! I think you made every Jinjer fan grin when you said you thought a change was coming. We knew you still weren't expecting THAT.
I don't know where "screamo" came from, but I just refer to the vocal techniques using distortion that you often hear in metal as "harsh vocals". There are different flavors. Some sound like screaming, some like growling, sometimes there's a mix. Tatiana can do both, which you kind of hear in this one. She is more growly in the chorus, but the final line is much closer to a scream.
Pisces is kind of different from most of Jinjer's music because the point of the song is to highlight the two sides of Tatiana's thoughts and feelings. I think her clean vocals are slightly more poppy than in other songs and you've only heard a portion of her harsh vocals. I'm sure there are already tons of comments reminding Perennial live at Wacken. It's a good one, but there are plenty of other videos you'll enjoy too. Her one take performance of Judgement and Punishment will give you a clear look at her body as she sings.
Great reaction 🤟🏻 Tatiana is absolutely amazing. Teacher Teacher is another good song.
I love watching reactions to this song. Nobody is ever prepared, and it is always great to see the reaction lmao
I just loved your reaction, it got emotional for me. I think this band is totally King, incredible musicians and a crazy kicking .. of a singer 🤓🇸🇪❤
I absolutely love your analysis that's coming from your operatic training.
Pisces the fish has a duality and that's what the lyrics denote.
One brings life.
The second rush to death.
I hope that this helps makes sense of the lyrics.
Great analyses of where the lyrics go in the grunt part vs where they were before. Also that you combine this with the analysis of the expression of Tatiana. Good stuff.
That was a great reaction Jess - thank you. There are so many good Jinjer tracks that you can't go wrong. For what you want though, the One Take Performance of Judgement And Punishment is easily the best thing to watch, since (I suspect) it was done specifically for vocal coach reactors to use, being an uninterupted close-up video of Tati singing the whole song. You probably don't want to do the same song twice, but just for your own kicks, you should also watch the official video of Judgement And Punishment to see Tati having WAAAY too much fun as a woods-witch.
My favorite is the official video for Teacher, Teacher, and another good one is the live video of Who Is Gonna To Be The One, which gives you a good idea of her live stage presence, and also just how eclectic the band's music can be. Also, some absolutely killer bass licks from Eugene...
Interesting tune and excellent analysis! I had never heard of Jinjer before today. (There is so much music out there to listen to that it's hard to get to everything right away. Everybody doesn't know something, whether they admit it or not). My virtually immediate impression, about five seconds in, was "HIATUS KAIYOTE," in bold caps, but more mainstream-sounding. The death metal sections were almost sonic punchlines for me. I think I laughed out loud out of pure shock. Such an about-face. I guess that is in keeping with the Pisces theme. A gifted vocalist who is capable of sounding like two or three entities in one. "‘Pisces swimming in the river, all your life against the stream" - as a Pisces myself, yeah, that sums it up quite succinctly.
I love JINJER!!! that Fry Scream at the end, mind blown!
Another soprano you should check out is Zora of Blackbriar.
Zora is magical
No one else like her
And how she voice mastery of the subtle tones runs and flips.
My Souls Demise is a great song.
One of the most talented vocalists in music...and definitely one of the best frontpersons in live music. Tati is a savage live...she definitely has the "it" factor, as does the whole band.
14:15. The screaming has little to no pitch. Similar to white noise. You can modulate the "shape" of the sound by changing the shape of your mouth. Ther are a couple different techniques for making a scream/growl sound and the rest is modulation by changing the shape of the instrument.
I've seen them live - definitely worth it!
Check out some of their other stuff.
This band is one of those that open people's eyes for the metal genre 😉
Amazing how this song has been picked apart by singers and vocal coaches yet you still offer something new. I haven't seen anyone else mention how the lyrics shift from verse to chorus. One thing I'd like to point out is the distance between Tatiana and the mic when she doing cleans versus when she's doing the growl. I've known a couple of people who can do the growl vocals and they always stay nearly on top of the mic because it's not a style where you can really project.
I've watched this video several hundred times and I still get chills every time I watch it
Man, reaction to this song never gets old. :)
Your face was priceless. 😂
There are several female vocalist who can do this.
Alissa White-Gluz, Adrienne Cowan and even Floor Jansen (listen to Yours is an empty hope, Wembley 2015).
I find great joy in watching oeople react to my girl. Shes amazing ❤
I've heard this song literally more than a hundred times, and have seen as many reactions to it. Your's is one of the best! Your overall analysis of all aspects of this song was really really good (I just can't remember having heard so much intelligent reflexion of all these aspects). Especially your thoughts at the beginning that there has to come "something heavier" due to Tatis looks - 😂😂😂. And then of course your surprise painted on your face when Tatis dark growling voice starts! I appreciate too that you got into the lyrics - too bad that you didn't come to the part at the end where this "innocent virgin" little fish is slaughtered by those "handsome butchers"- for me a very poetic and at the same time very true picture of our lovely/cruel paradise/hell earth that we are condemned to live in. This becomes an even heavier touch when you consider that Jinjer is a Ukrainian band and what is happening there right now. Gives me some feeling of "shivering inside" too. . Congratulations to your reaction!👍👍👍😀And of course: You are a Pro who knows everything about voice and singing (growling and harsh vocals taking apart of course) - I bet it would be joyful hear you singing!
Lovely reaction. I can hear/feal you are knowledgeable.There is so much to discover in the works of this miracle of a band. I think the vocaliste is, together with male college Michael Akerfeldt, one of the best and most digestable growlers in the business. Because of them I can now listen to this form of vocal technique without reservations. Btw: The more I listen to 'Pisces', the more I think it's not just their super viral click bait shocker, but also their most brilliant song in every way. Thank you.
I love Tatiana reactions. She has an amazing talent.
I've watched dozens of these reactions and this is deffo comes across as one of the genuine ones. I would recommend Who is Gonna be The One live but some others here have also recommended great alternatives for the second reaction. The 3rd one though definately needs to be the official video for Teacher Teacher, my personal favourite song of theirs
In my humble opinion, the meaning of the song, in particular the chorus, is to represent the duality of "Piscis", witch is represented by 2 fishes "swimming" in opposite directions: "one being brings life, another runs for death". Also what I get from the song is no matter what the world brings you or what happens around you, you can choose to be who you are, any of those personalities, you can see in many of the verses: "I drew a different reality...", "Ego hardly can be picked cos I'm selfless", "hooks and nets are there for me but I'm skittish"...
But again, this is just my opinion 😊
Welcome to Jinjer and Tatiana. Very good analysis. Well done.
I am a performing artist-musician and vocalist with some opera training. I have seen close to 100 reviews of this, and you are so amazing at this. The best so far, thank you!
What a compliment, thank you! Very nice to meet a fellow opera-musician ☺🎼
9:00 Scales are that fishy's armor, the blaze could be the sunshine reflecting off or , as done when blazing a trail, a chopping off of them.
I loved your analisis to this song and loved to watch You reacting❤
wow!! one of the best Jinjer Pisces reaction out there!!
I was smiling all the time during your first pause and talking about the contrast and not expecting that voice from her, even speculating the song may change directions.
Loved this reaction, I always like seeing people with different musical backgrounds analyze songs like this because it’s so interesting what people notice about it based on their music education. I heard that Tatiana writes her lyrics in Russian since that’s her first language and then she translates them into English, which I think kinda gives it a really unique style!
11:05
"Oh, same lyrics!"
Yes, it's called a chorus lol
I’m very impressed you were able to pick up on the lyrics through her metal vocals so quickly👏🏻👏🏻
Wow, thoughtful analysis - respect! (And as a musician and theory geek was happy to hear you pick out the Sol - or min 9th - chord the guitarist played during the verses:)
Jinjer is one of the best progressive metal bands in the game now. What’s more they’re all essentially war refugees from east Ukraine which makes them that much more special.
A good video to watch her expressions while screaming is judgment & punishment. It also has a more funky/reggae style to it. Highly recommend.