To be honest, the fact that Superman still believes in Santa Claus isn't that stupid. I mean... he's an alien with superpowers, lasereyes and is powered by the sun. That doesn't make Santa Claus sound so stupid anymore 😂
Damn, when you put it like that, Santa sounds even more OP than Sup. Imagine a fat guy with knowledge of people's good and bad deeds, super speed, can make millions of gifts, the guy could be a superhero on his own right.
@@saveriocarro9399 Child Clark believing in Santa because that would mean he's not alone as the only superpowered person he knew? Even MORE reason for Martha and Jonathan to not tell him the truth!
Funny thing is, Santa actually exists in the DC universe. Darkseid hates him because he always delivers him coal just to troll him but Darkseid can never seem to catch him. He also exists in the Marvel universe and is a mutant.
@@dariusporter358 I was looking for someone to mention this! I _love_ that DCU has a real Santa Claus who makes it a personal _mission_ every single year to deliver coal to Darkseid (to his _face,_ in person, in one instance!), and Darkseid for all his destructive power, can't do squat to prevent this.
I’m still surprised and incredibly pleased that the MCU did not mock Captain America’s Boy Scout masculinity and still managed to make him very cool without being corny. Even more heartening was the fact that he resonated with the masses. So I guess there is still hope for our culture.
Pre-endgame mcu was basically miracle With a thousand intricate little pieces falling at the right place in the right time Now Post-endgame mcu is what one would expect a cinematic universe based on marvel would be like But we had the good times I'm so glad I got to experience that anomality when it first came out Cause I don't think anything like that's ever gonna happen
@@benjacarrasco9447 Sure, it's the same folks up top, but the quality and writing style is greatly different. That's why there is far less observable hype over the newer content.
Optimistic people are often seen as weak and naive today, but imo they are the strongest of all because they choose to fight an uphill battle of cynicism each and every day and puts the adoration and respect of others aside in order to make the world a better place. Masculine or Feminine, kind hearted, wholesome and optimistic people are the real heroes of the world and are pretty much carrying the rest of us on their shoulders.
"When I choose to see the good side of things, I'm not being naive. It is strategic and necessary. It's how I've learned to survive through everything. I know you see yourself as a fighter. Well, I see myself as one too. This is how I fight." - CEO Waymond from Everything, Everywhere, all at once
And that makes sense not just through philosophical perspective but scientific/physochological perspective too cuz all the fears, doubts and negativity stems from our survival instincts that has evolved from millions of years before our existence and if someone is optimistic and hopeful then that person is basically able to conquer the basis of their entire being. And that is significantly harder than succumbing to desires just like the villains and anti heroes of current media do and people idolize them for that when that is truly what acting like a 'pussy' is. It makes me happy that now internet is starting to idolize characters like Thorfinn and Superman with the recent trends.
Don’t forget about Optimus Prime! In issue number two by Skybound comics, he accidentally “killed” a deer while exploring, and admiring the planet earth. He felt so terrible about it. He didn’t know how fragile they were. He became so heart broken over it. Spike (human character) had to comfort him and tell him that it was okay, and that it was an accident. But despite that, Prime took the blame, and held the deer close to his arms while talking about life, Earth, and Cybertron. “Be strong enough to be gentle” - Peter Cullen
The one thing that I appreciate about '97 Cyclops is even though he's a boy scout, he's still VERY flawed. He has anger issues, he's shown to have trust issues, he struggles to bond with his son and he doubts himself and his mission at times. It's refreshing these days to see a hero that tries and tries but when hit with a roadblock they get upset. Cyclops' character shows that it's okay to get mad or have doubts and to rise above it. He's not the perfect role model but he has feelings and isn't afraid to show them. He shows his vulnerability and limits. The poor guy even permanently struggles with his powers as he can't control them and it isn't his fault. So for me, Cyclops is the guy I look to as not just a hero but a human. He has strengths and weaknesses and is not afraid to admit it
Cyclops and alot of the Xmen are so well written i forget they marvel characters. Cyclops is definitely what i feel is the Boy Scout archetype. Wears his heart on his sleeve, says corny shit like "we're the good guys", but still is the leader and head of the team because he makes the tough decisions. He takes it all on himself but still knows hes nothing without his X-men
Cyclops is very flawed in the comics as well almost to the point that he could be excluded from this list. He was originally suppose to be more of a Boy Scout but Marvel demanded Chris Claremont bring Jean Grey back. Which resulted in Cyclop’s character assassination.
@@ladymarianne9680 He can be kind of annoying in the comics. Heaven forbid someone make a joke or have fun. Also the stuff with Madelyn Pryor ruined his character and made him much less of a Boy Scout than originally intended. In the comics, Madelyn Pryor was introduced after Jean Grey died. Claremont made Pryor look like Jean because he has a weird sense of humor. Scott marries Pryor and they have a son, Nathan. Well, Marvel decides they want Jean back so Chris Claremont has to get rid of Pryor. Claremont writes that Pryor, unknowingly is a clone of Jean. Scott finds out that Jean has returned and abandons Pryor and Nathan. Pryor, who was recently abandoned by Cyclops also finds out she is a clone of the woman he left her for, which causes her to go insane. This is the point in his story where Cyclops is still characterized as a Boy Scout but continues to do shady crap. X-Men 97 did a much better job with the Pryor situation than was done in the comics. Not that Claremont should be blamed considering the fact that Beau De Mayo had the privilege of hindsight.
@@positiveecho326 I know, but I meant that I have always find him the best. Maybe the comic writers don't like boy scouts that's why they make him , like, a cheater or a total jerk. As per me, many other characters quickly get popular because they do things above the law, which is cool, and on the other hand we have those goody two shoes, whom everyone thinks are lane and weak...
I think Optimus Prime is a great example of a blue boy scout who has gone through such horrible but still tries to optimistic depsite not losing so many friends in battle and his world
But Peter Collins, the voice of Optimus Prime created the iconic voice by using the saying "Be strong enough to be gentle". That all these boy scouts are these crazy strong guys physically, but they're still very gentle and careful with the people they surround themselves with
I agree. Optimus is absolutely a big blue (and mostly red) boy scout. I would also put Luke Skywalker in that category, even though he mostly wears black in his final form as a hero.
Optimus Prime is definitely a boy scout. I think it's because outside of the G1 show, we don't get the typical boy scout optimistic attitude. People probably see Prime as a great leader who does what's right while being able and willing to spill some oil, too, if you know what I mean.
@@drineman9517 Peter Cullen based his portrayal on his older brother Larry who served in the military during Vietnam. Who himself is infinitely more inspirational than Superman being the one who taught that mantra to him(Peter), "Be strong enough to be gentle" despite going through the absolute hell hole that was Vietnam.
I've always loved Superman. he's my hero, and i tried to learn from his kind, optimistic character, but people in this day and age treat you badly and abuse you if you are like this.... it takes a lot of strength to keep being that way regardless of how you end up being treated, which makes these characters (Superman) the best people i know.
That’s true. I’m very optimistic and people walk all over me but I’m not going to stop because that’s just the way I am. Being raised on superhero media has given me a certain level of optimism but it is hard to retain. I relate the most to Cyclops in this video because sometimes his optimism breaks and we see a sadder side to him.
That’s why it’s easy to be nice and it takes strength to be kind. To endure suffering and to choose to continue to be good-natured and loving is the true test of someone’s character. We recognize ourselves in role models like Superman because we know that we’re capable of being that force of compassion ourselves.
I always find Superman boring, but after watching Invincible and the boys, now i understand and respect Superman and it's one of fave characters. It's very easy to lose control, but when you have a power of god and yet you have self control, clear mind, morals and kindness as common sense despite all bad things, then you can be called 'Superman' just for this.
Because, honestly, if Clark Kent was just a normal human who grew up on a farm in Kansas, he'd still help people to the best of his abilities. The Kents raised a good boy. Plus, he'd still be impressively strong. Don't underestimate Farmer's Strength, their daily lives include hard labour for hours on end.
Superman talking to Darkseid: What we have here is a rare opportunity to for me to cut loose. And show you just how powerful I really am. Me: Damn. Why did I think Superman lame?
Frank Miller is one of the main contributors of the "Batman is SOOOOO much cooler and can wipe the floor with Superman!" with The Dark Knight Returns, but in TDKR 3, Bruce realizes that this whole time he could win over Superman was only because he always held back. Mind you, this doesn't redeem Miller as a writer or makes TDKR 3 flawless, but it was nice that the guy who fed that mindset a lot corrected the course and gave respect to Superman.
Being edgy makes you a man. A lie I believed for so long. Being angsty and brooding doesn't make you tough or cool. Because depending on who you ask, if you're honestly the type to throw temper tantrums, whine endlessly about all your problems, or hit people at the drop of a hat over small reasons, then that really makes you no different from a bitch or a child. Take Vegeta *(Before* Dragon Ball Super) for example. Much as I love the character, it gets pretty damn laughable at times how people have always considered him more of a man than Goku from the beginning when Vegeta for the longest was this petty, angry, childish man who killed millions for fun, killed his own subordinate just for losing a fight, abused his son, and regularly endangered himself and everyone around him just because he didn't want to let go of his pride. You're really gonna say *That* was more of a man than *Z Goku?* Yeah, their roles have basically swapped now as of the Super era where Vegeta is the more mature and rational one while Goku has mentally regressed to even *worse* than he was as a child, but back during Z, a real man Vegeta was anything but.
I thought that was the whole point of his Majin arc, that he even after his family and the whole Cell deal he still wasn't as much of a real man so him literally blowing himself up like Goku did with Cell was simbolic of that or something
And for that reason (and many others) I refuse to acknowledge DB Super For me personally, Dragon Ball ended with GT (plus the super sayan 4 will always be way cooler than any Super transformation, and you can quote me on that)
The kicker? Even to this day, certain fans STILL try to act like Vegeta's done nothing wrong simply because of the fact that his attitude looked cool. And yeah, I'll admit, Vegeta throughout Namek and early Android was a badass. But..... Upon closer inspection, he did more harm than good as the series went on. Tipping Frieza off about Namek's dragon balls? Check. Letting Cell power up to his perfect form? Check. Rushing in recklessly against Super Perfect Cell, getting injured and causing SSJ2 Gohan to lose half of his strength against the newly powered-up Android? Check. Starting a needless fight with Goku that gave Babadi all the power he needed to revive Buu? Check. Yes, he's helped out a lot, but his negatives outweigh his good. Real men are supposed to do things that further HELP them in reaching their goals, but Vegeta has done nothing but sabotage himself and everyone around him. Actions speak louder than words.
I always identified more with Goku overal. Just his lifestyle alone (he wakes ups trains eats and sleeps) and though i dont have children, he is the character that made it cool to be a dad as much as it influenced many of our generation to pick up the gym lifestyle. He is a bit more childish in Super, though i get it as its actually meant to counter Beerus and not Vegeta as Vegeta is also way more passive towards Beerus and less arrogant overal. More so comparable to Piccolo. But Goku is just as irresponsible as Vegeta, he literally kept Vegeta alive after the battle on Earth. In my opinion Super is very misunderstood, the BOG Z movie was more slice of live and comedy oriented and it was meant to correct the damage of the DB evolution live action movie. But it was such a succes they made RoF afterwards and than decided to create a new series. DBS is basically a spin off of the last 2 movies that grew into its own as Toriyama was involving himself more. And Super Goku is more so based on the BOG movie, than he is on the overal series and they create dynamics per episode to have him act as in that movie.
I'm glad the internet is acknowledging these "pure good" superheores just for being good, kind-hearted people. I really got tired of all the edgy anti-heroes/villains like Homelander or Patrick Bateman, idolizing them isn't good for mental health. We should learn from characters like Superman and try to be better for a safter, healthier, and enjoyable world.
I was just about to say this shit 😂😂. Two literal aliens that fight gods and monsters are having Christmas dinner. Santa might just might be out there kicking it.
Optimus Prime, Cyclops, Superman, Captain America and Spider-Man, all blue “Boy Scouts” treated like trash by their respective companies and in Prime and Scott’s case corrupted into violent anti-heroes
Exactly, being an obnoxious Andrew Tate (or any of his ilk) is something anyone can do, it's weak. Take away their superficial "strengths" like money or muscle, and you're left with pathetic creatures that spew venom.
"Sometimes Being a good person is the most masculine thing a man can be" God damn, I've felt this way for so long but never heard it phrased so simply. Mainly in real life but especially in stories. Just the other day, I had a friend telling me how he thought that Cap and Superman are boring characters because they are the boy scout archetype at a surface level.
"With everything that's happening, the things that are about to come to light, people might just need a little old-fashioned." - Phil Coulson, Avengers
I feel like some points made about cyclops can easily apply to Nightwing as well. Similar to both batman and cyclops, Nightwing also had a tragic past which led him to becoming a crime fighter and being batman's sidekick anyone would easily assume he would end up as an edgy superhero. Yet when he became Nightwing, he looked up to and took on the traits of superman and became an optimistic superhero. Nightwing genuinely seems like he's DC's best hero because regardless of how he basically grew up where everyone and everything around him was "edgy", he stayed optimistic and outgoing. There's a reason why many heroes look up to him and consider him a better leader than batman.
There’s a reason Superman goes by the name. He’s a superior man to many in pretty much every way regardless of wether or not he acts like it. Yes, he’s the strongest, most powerful man in any room more often than he isn’t but he’s also loyal, kind, compassionate, a protector, pretty much as close to being morally pure as it’s even possible to be. He’s the guy you want to follow not only because of his power, but because by his actions, morals and beliefs, he’s actually worthy of being followed. Same with Captain America.
In the end Cyclops always resolves into being again a Boy Scout. Times of crisis may axis his ideals but he can't achieve what he wants by replicating those older men's ideals
Logan saying to Scott "when there's somebody around worth following, I follow" is a serious complement. Logan doesn't say things like that often, if ever.
I feel like before being an edgy character, Robin also represent the boy scout leader to the Teen Titans in the original comic. He's strangely a colorful character who's partnered with a symbol of fear. I think Robin works best to be the balance and support to Batman's trauma instead of just "Kid Dark Knight". But again, he's meant to be a kid appeal and I guess modern kid's more appealed with slightly a darker version of him.
I think you need to understand that the reason the current Robin is different from the og Robin is because he is a completely different character,robin is mantle that has been passed down from different characters,the og robin does still exist and is still an optimistic boy scout character he just goes by a different name now (Nightwing) also I recommend looking into the Grant Morrison Batman and Robin series the first one the current robin appeared in because in that series Nightwing had become Batman after Bruce "died" so it felt like Batman and Robin had a sort of role/personality reverse were now Batman was the optimist and Robin was the darker one and they're dynamic was just really great,I feel like it was a mistake when they brought Bruce back to be Batman again because it did disturb the balance as they are really similar as characters
People have been sleeping on Cyclops. The movies did him dirty over the last few decades, but the comics made him into the most interesting characters in the X men. Glad to see he's finally getting some recognition.
Snyder cut Superman was a return to a more hopeful and traditional version of the character. Zack purposely wrote a character arc for Henry's superman where he wouldn't start off being the happy and confident incarnation of the hero, but over the course of several films would eventually transform into it. BvS was essentially Superman in his darkest hour while in the Snyder cut he was reborn and truly found his stride especially when he fought Stephenwolfe.
I love characters like Captain America, Superman and more recently, Cyclops simply because they are good people who try to do the right thing. To me, that's inspiring , and i believe in a word that is becoming increasingly cynical and tragic, there is hope that there are people out there who keep a positive outlook on life and try to share that with the world
I think Cavil's Superman is misunderstood, because the actual take is "how much an old fashioned Boy Scout is going to have to struggle internaly in order to overcome today's pessimistic society and stay optimistic and idealistic" wich you can better grasp in the extended cut of BvS.
@ohscarleon 100%! Loved reading your post! I feel like a lot of people intentionally ignore the broader picture because they just didn't like Zack Snyder and his overall vision for the DCEU. I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion in this video that Henry's Superman wasn't a boyscout. He absolutely was! He had a very Christlike calm about him, which is as good as it gets! Snyder stated he wanted Superman to be reminiscent of Jesus Christ (who is the biggest boy scout of all time), and it is noted in the New Testament quite often that throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus was often sad and needed time alone. There were plenty of moments where Cavil smiled or had a good chuckle or two. Being happy/hopeful doesn't necessarily require a big fake smile 100% of the time. And in the real world... no one is always positive. We cant be lol! We all have doubts as well as fears. For me it is beyond admirable that Kal is able to push it aside and keeps on keeping on even unto death, which is a major testament to his goodness and his drive to do what's right. My favorite moment in Man of Steel is when he is being crushed by the world engine, and when all seems lost and the very world is pushing him down, he looks up with a determined expression, and flies into the jaws of defeat and snatches an impossible victory. That is everything Superman has represented over the last 80 or so years, and just because he isn't wearing bright blue tights with red underwear, and not smiling all the time shouldn't disqualify him from the beacon of hope conversation. Was it a different approach? Absolutely! But the basic principles that make Superman who he is were very easily identified throughout the series (especially in Zack Snyder's Justice Lague) where everything finally comes full circle.
@@zyaicob So you agree that ultimately he's not defeated even though sometimes it seems like it, which is actually called character arc and Personality growth? Lol Supermen have had different personalities all over the comics in various degrees of "giddy"ness, if you don't like a specific director that's fine, it's your opinion. But to categorically claim that "it's not Superman" is a generalization like you said yourself.
I like how you said that all of the heroes mentioned are great leaders. You need to have strong morals and optimism if you want to be an effective leader.
'A good person' will always be the most masculine thing a man can be. Superman will always be my favorite superhero. He is what a superhero should be. He is a good person to everyone and takes the time to help, even if it is as small as walking someone across the street or getting a little girls cat down from a tree. My favorite line from the first movie might be his response to Lois asking him,'Who are you? He says: 'A friend.' And he really is a friend.
“Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things” Now tell me, does that sound easy to you? Does that sound weak? To be hopeful in spite of all the darkness around you, to love when seemingly no one else will, that is true strength. It is not flashy, it doesn’t brag, it just *is*, and it never changes or gives up. This is what I believe these characters are trying to portray, and it is a powerful message indeed, one I wish all could hear and receive.
Thanks for talking about this we need more examples of the different sides of what masculinity really is not just the one dimensional characters that are being thrown in our faces
Thanks for this video. I always looked up to and wanted to be like many fictional characters (Optimus Prime, The Flash, Captain America etc). Recently my environment made me doubt that the qualities they possess are possible to hold in the real world. But this made me see that there is no problem seeing the best in the world and just trying to be a good man, Thanks
Honestly I feel like the actual realistic answer to "what would a normal person who was raised right do if they had the powers and abilities of Superman" *is* "use it to help as many people as they can". Clark Kent *is* realistic, it's just popular for cynics to confuse themselves with realists (and viewing fundamental decency and human goodness as "childish" and "unrealistic" is a sign of immaturity. I feel like people like that never really grew out of being teenagers). Hell, some versions of Superman take it even farther - even someone like Lex Luthor becomes a good person when he's given Superman's powers and starts to realize what it's like to live Superman's life.
Growing up, I always preferred characters that had the rogue and edgy persona, and even to this day, I still do. However, these days I look back to heroes like these and have learned to appreciate them more, especially Cyclops. Ever since X-Men 97 debuted, I had completely forgotten how much of a better character Cyclops was than how they portrayed him in the movies, I was never a big fan of him as a kid but I'm more grateful for his character now after being reminded of how much of a bigger role he always had within the original series.
Many of what you mentioned summed up why I've always been a fan of the boy/girl scout archetype. And I do love characters like Superman or Captain America. Just doing things because its the right thing to do. Not because they're seeking validation or for an ulterior motive. They've got nothing to prove. Just a humble and optimistic demeanour. I also like it when they have storylines which question their archetype and showcase that they can have frustrations with how shitty the world can be. But still try to rise above it. Its why Superman Vs The Elite is one of my all-time favourites.
I guess they’re the Masculinity of Strangers in a Strange land, and how they develop while still being true to themselves in a new era, similar to Cap.
5:14 Ironically, Santa DOES exist in the DC universe....and I mean, if you are an alien who can fly and bend steel with your bare hands and do some other crazy powerful stuff.....believing that an entity like santa exists might not be that far off.
"Peter, if your gonna be a hero, be a real hero. Don't be one of those hollywood heroes pretending to be tough. Be strong enough to be gentle." -Larry Cullen to Peter Cullen
I honestly hope that people can become more like these characters in this year. Someone whos a little cheesy, but is optimistic, fun, and honest to others and themselves. This kind of character I feel goes under appreciated.
So many roads unknown, so many good hearted trying to make a difference, hopeful against seemingly unending evil, to give their lives for a better future even if not for themselves, how can we see them and not join them, how can we not want what's best for everyone
Many pop culture stories are about an exemplary hero and a rough and/or sneaky one having to cooperate despite their differences. Superman and Batman, Luke Skywalker and Yan Solo, Captain America and Iron man, Thor and Loki etc... There is also female duo like Katara and Toff, or mixed ones like Jim Raynor and Sarah Kerrigan based on the same trope. The first hero is able to build long term alliances based on trust while the second intervene when short time efficiency is needed.
In general, this trope is best applied when the character in question has flaws and limitations but are depicted as having the humility to accept them and the courage to overcome them just as they would other obstacles they are pitted against. In essence, the ideal conflict for “boy scout” is to not allow themselves or their values to be changed by situations that would see them become as corrupted as either their enemies or even some of their allies. 2:36, In terms of more modern takes on the traditionally virtuous and optimistic Superman, Superman And Lois and My Adventures With Superman return to Clark’s routes as a far brighter character, one that emphasizes hope, love, compassion and generosity, but also one backs up with the will, discipline and courage to fight for his world and the values he stands for. And despite this, these depictions are still allowed Clark to be fallible and flawed, their idealism and experiences as a superhero often driving wedges between humans with more cynical views and motives (wether or not they are justified). Snyder’s vision somewhat incorporates this idea, but is never interested in Clark attempting to prove his ideals as worthy, preferring to have to hover majestically like a god rather than interact with people as a man, performing simple acts of kindness along with his grand acts of heroism instead of just grand displays of power that further separated him for the people he sought to protect. These versions of Clark even lose confidence or their temper at times, but have the awareness to acknowledge their mistakes and not allow failures, losses or the will of others change who they are. 3:47, For Steve, his honor and desire to do good is treated as admirable, but he also backs up his beliefs with the will to fight for them, even against a world that doesn’t share them. However, his ideals can also verge on stubbornness, a refusal to compromise even when it’s arguably necessary. He may he willing to make tough decisions and endure loss, but some lines he refuses to cross no matter who is telling him, his enemies or his friends. But beyond that, he is made interesting because of how much he has sacrificed and lost by being Captain America, how he at times regrets investing so much of his life into being a soldier that he can’t imagine a peaceful world, only the next mission. In this context, his bravest act is being able to have a life for himself even if it was temporary. 5:19, Scott is perhaps the most interesting of these “boy scouts” because his identity as this righteous, dutiful soldier and ally to his people was imprinted on him by Charles, a persona of the ideal mutant, the perfect hero he didn’t make himself. He is expected by humans and by Charles to be perfect, moral and virtuous, and feels the pressure to project this confident image constantly. But combined with his unstable powers is the insecurity he feels about them and about his place as a leader and a symbol. And so, he sometimes cracks under that pressure, letting anger and pride guide his actions, his need to prove his worth. But even with these flaws, he is still a capable leader, still able to coordinate his team and various other efforts to ensure the protection of his kind.
To be Fair, Henry Cavill's Superman was picking up from very Dark Storylines, eventually becoming the Superman we all Love! He, the Actor, actually really Loves what Superman stands for & enjoyed everytime he was finally able to portray him how he truly is! He even became a Fan & to this day roots for the NFL Team closest to Smallville, USA (Inspired from) IMHO He was great when The Trinity finally Formed & in ZSJL!
Another character like this is Optimus Prime. He's an alien robot but basically embodies the same qualities. He has to be gentle bc everything on earth is so fragile compared to him. And he's so powerful he doesn't need to be loud or boisterous bc realistically, nobody is kicking his a**
Great video! Thanks for granting a title to this archetype, and making a video that really resonated with me for a reason I can't quite put my finger on.
Thanks to the Superman Animated Series, my interest in becoming a fan grew into the early 2000s. Yes, the line "cardboard" is epic, but I find his commentary on the death of Dan Turpin to be superior. "Goodbye, old friend; in the end, the world didn't really need Superman, just a brave one." I cry tears every time. You see Superman's tears. How can you not like him?
Being just in an unjust world takes a strength that many do not possess. They give themselves to cynicism, and expediency. The person who can give away power, knowing he still has plenty, that is what strength is; to not fear losing power.
I would argue that Scott has never been a boy scout, despite getting called that a lot in and out of universe, but more of a well-meaning martinet. His trauma and anxieties all revolve around situations outside his control, abandonment, and being responsible for other people's lives, so he craves rules, structure, plans for every situation, and has real trouble letting his guard down. Hence why he ends up in relationships with telepaths; they're the only ones who can see what's really going on in his head.
I wouldn’t consider cyclops a Boy Scout necessarily in the comics he’s just incredibly repressed fearing he’ll hurt someone for instance he’s cheated on his wife multiple times become the new magneto been a vessel for the phoenix and done a bunch of bad shit not to say he’s a bad person far from it but he isn’t a paragon trying his best to be and that’s why I love him
I'm glad you released this video. Nowadays we're having our minds polluted with junk and bigotry. This vid def slapped me into reality. All love from the Big Apple.
I’m always happy when I see videos appreciating Superman and his personality and values. I always found him admirable and as much as I’m well aware he’s just a fictional character I look at what he stands for as being something to aspire towards
1:03 “masculinity is constantly link with being the loudest, flashies, and most aggressive one in the room. These characters are the complete opposite of this” *shows cyclops using his beams to land after his vehicle gets taken down by a sentinel*
Superman was basically a god living among men. A Christ-like one. Him taking time out of his day to take a cat down out of the tree and giving it to the little girl that showed awe in presence of the divine was an incredibly touching scene
I genuinely believe that the Tyler Hoechlin version is the perfect modern portrayal of Superman. He just captured Superman's kindness and heart for me. I was someone who used to think Supes was lame but his version made me a legit fan of the character for some reason
I agreed. It's the speech that Aunt May gave to Peter in Spider-Man 2. I real hero is the one to hold on to something and it's willing to sacrifice what he loves, for the grater good.
Great video!!! I love these three characters. That's why they're always the team leaders. Is always good to remind people why captain can wield Mjolnir, he has a pure heart. As the same with superman and cyclops.❤️🔥💪🏽🦸🏻♂️
Clone Wars and revenge of the sith obi wan is one of my favorite role models tbh. Despite all the horrible things that happened to him, he never once gave into the dark side and always stayed optimistic. Not only that but he knew anakin was married and when obi wan lost his lover, he decided to let anakin stay married because he wanted anakin to have a chance at the happiness he couldn’t have.
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To be honest, the fact that Superman still believes in Santa Claus isn't that stupid. I mean... he's an alien with superpowers, lasereyes and is powered by the sun. That doesn't make Santa Claus sound so stupid anymore 😂
Damn, when you put it like that, Santa sounds even more OP than Sup. Imagine a fat guy with knowledge of people's good and bad deeds, super speed, can make millions of gifts, the guy could be a superhero on his own right.
haha OHMAHGAWD true
@@saveriocarro9399 Child Clark believing in Santa because that would mean he's not alone as the only superpowered person he knew? Even MORE reason for Martha and Jonathan to not tell him the truth!
Funny thing is, Santa actually exists in the DC universe. Darkseid hates him because he always delivers him coal just to troll him but Darkseid can never seem to catch him.
He also exists in the Marvel universe and is a mutant.
@@dariusporter358 I was looking for someone to mention this! I _love_ that DCU has a real Santa Claus who makes it a personal _mission_ every single year to deliver coal to Darkseid (to his _face,_ in person, in one instance!), and Darkseid for all his destructive power, can't do squat to prevent this.
There’s a starman waiting in the sky
he'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'll blow our minds~ 🎵
🎶 There’s a Staaaaah Maaaaaaan, waiting in the sky 🎶
He told us not to blow it cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me~
I’m still surprised and incredibly pleased that the MCU did not mock Captain America’s Boy Scout masculinity and still managed to make him very cool without being corny.
Even more heartening was the fact that he resonated with the masses. So I guess there is still hope for our culture.
Pre-endgame mcu was basically miracle
With a thousand intricate little pieces falling at the right place in the right time
Now Post-endgame mcu is what one would expect a cinematic universe based on marvel would be like
But we had the good times
I'm so glad I got to experience that anomality when it first came out
Cause I don't think anything like that's ever gonna happen
@@matheussanthiago9685 dude, you separete them, but pre and post was made by the same freacking people
@@benjacarrasco9447 Sure, it's the same folks up top, but the quality and writing style is greatly different. That's why there is far less observable hype over the newer content.
Yep also why the Snyder Superman movies sucked. Had Cavill been allowed too be portrayed as a "boy scout" the movies would've been far better recieved
@@benjacarrasco9447 no they weren't. Writers from other places like rick and morty were brought in. And the results now speak for themselves.
"Just being a good person is one of the most masculine things a man can be"..... Amen brother.
Optimistic people are often seen as weak and naive today, but imo they are the strongest of all because they choose to fight an uphill battle of cynicism each and every day and puts the adoration and respect of others aside in order to make the world a better place. Masculine or Feminine, kind hearted, wholesome and optimistic people are the real heroes of the world and are pretty much carrying the rest of us on their shoulders.
"When I choose to see the good side of things, I'm not being naive. It is strategic and necessary. It's how I've learned to survive through everything.
I know you see yourself as a fighter. Well, I see myself as one too. This is how I fight." - CEO Waymond from Everything, Everywhere, all at once
The world will end one day thats a fact. No optimism will change that.
And that makes sense not just through philosophical perspective but scientific/physochological perspective too cuz all the fears, doubts and negativity stems from our survival instincts that has evolved from millions of years before our existence and if someone is optimistic and hopeful then that person is basically able to conquer the basis of their entire being. And that is significantly harder than succumbing to desires just like the villains and anti heroes of current media do and people idolize them for that when that is truly what acting like a 'pussy' is. It makes me happy that now internet is starting to idolize characters like Thorfinn and Superman with the recent trends.
Thank you
Very well said.
Don’t forget about Optimus Prime!
In issue number two by Skybound comics, he accidentally “killed” a deer while exploring, and admiring the planet earth. He felt so terrible about it. He didn’t know how fragile they were. He became so heart broken over it.
Spike (human character) had to comfort him and tell him that it was okay, and that it was an accident. But despite that, Prime took the blame, and held the deer close to his arms while talking about life, Earth, and Cybertron.
“Be strong enough to be gentle” - Peter Cullen
That reminds me a lot of a scene similar to that in The Iron Giant. Perhaps it was inspired by that comic.
@@jacksonlee6760that comic was from the last few years, so it would’ve been the other way around.
I watched a short about that and man that was sad. Poor Optimus didn’t mean to 😔.
The one thing that I appreciate about '97 Cyclops is even though he's a boy scout, he's still VERY flawed. He has anger issues, he's shown to have trust issues, he struggles to bond with his son and he doubts himself and his mission at times. It's refreshing these days to see a hero that tries and tries but when hit with a roadblock they get upset. Cyclops' character shows that it's okay to get mad or have doubts and to rise above it. He's not the perfect role model but he has feelings and isn't afraid to show them. He shows his vulnerability and limits. The poor guy even permanently struggles with his powers as he can't control them and it isn't his fault. So for me, Cyclops is the guy I look to as not just a hero but a human. He has strengths and weaknesses and is not afraid to admit it
Your comment is sooo true, man, I don't understand why do people hate him so much.
For me he's the best X-Men ever.
Cyclops and alot of the Xmen are so well written i forget they marvel characters. Cyclops is definitely what i feel is the Boy Scout archetype. Wears his heart on his sleeve, says corny shit like "we're the good guys", but still is the leader and head of the team because he makes the tough decisions. He takes it all on himself but still knows hes nothing without his X-men
Cyclops is very flawed in the comics as well almost to the point that he could be excluded from this list. He was originally suppose to be more of a Boy Scout but Marvel demanded Chris Claremont bring Jean Grey back. Which resulted in Cyclop’s character assassination.
@@ladymarianne9680 He can be kind of annoying in the comics. Heaven forbid someone make a joke or have fun. Also the stuff with Madelyn Pryor ruined his character and made him much less of a Boy Scout than originally intended. In the comics, Madelyn Pryor was introduced after Jean Grey died. Claremont made Pryor look like Jean because he has a weird sense of humor. Scott marries Pryor and they have a son, Nathan. Well, Marvel decides they want Jean back so Chris Claremont has to get rid of Pryor. Claremont writes that Pryor, unknowingly is a clone of Jean. Scott finds out that Jean has returned and abandons Pryor and Nathan. Pryor, who was recently abandoned by Cyclops also finds out she is a clone of the woman he left her for, which causes her to go insane. This is the point in his story where Cyclops is still characterized as a Boy Scout but continues to do shady crap. X-Men 97 did a much better job with the Pryor situation than was done in the comics. Not that Claremont should be blamed considering the fact that Beau De Mayo had the privilege of hindsight.
@@positiveecho326 I know, but I meant that I have always find him the best. Maybe the comic writers don't like boy scouts that's why they make him , like, a cheater or a total jerk. As per me, many other characters quickly get popular because they do things above the law, which is cool, and on the other hand we have those goody two shoes, whom everyone thinks are lane and weak...
I think Optimus Prime is a great example of a blue boy scout who has gone through such horrible but still tries to optimistic depsite not losing so many friends in battle and his world
optimus prime is to fucking cool to be a boy scout. they all have that "corny" righteous factor but optimus prime is a living legend
But Peter Collins, the voice of Optimus Prime created the iconic voice by using the saying "Be strong enough to be gentle". That all these boy scouts are these crazy strong guys physically, but they're still very gentle and careful with the people they surround themselves with
I agree. Optimus is absolutely a big blue (and mostly red) boy scout.
I would also put Luke Skywalker in that category, even though he mostly wears black in his final form as a hero.
Optimus Prime is definitely a boy scout. I think it's because outside of the G1 show, we don't get the typical boy scout optimistic attitude. People probably see Prime as a great leader who does what's right while being able and willing to spill some oil, too, if you know what I mean.
@@drineman9517 Peter Cullen based his portrayal on his older brother Larry who served in the military during Vietnam. Who himself is infinitely more inspirational than Superman being the one who taught that mantra to him(Peter), "Be strong enough to be gentle" despite going through the absolute hell hole that was Vietnam.
A strong man takes care of himself, a good man takes care of others.
One of the greatest lessons my father ever taught me about masculinity
"A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others." -Ben the Cow
I've always loved Superman. he's my hero, and i tried to learn from his kind, optimistic character, but people in this day and age treat you badly and abuse you if you are like this.... it takes a lot of strength to keep being that way regardless of how you end up being treated, which makes these characters (Superman) the best people i know.
That’s true. I’m very optimistic and people walk all over me but I’m not going to stop because that’s just the way I am. Being raised on superhero media has given me a certain level of optimism but it is hard to retain. I relate the most to Cyclops in this video because sometimes his optimism breaks and we see a sadder side to him.
@@MysticalMarauder444At least until Cyke turns into Diet Magneto
That’s why it’s easy to be nice and it takes strength to be kind. To endure suffering and to choose to continue to be good-natured and loving is the true test of someone’s character. We recognize ourselves in role models like Superman because we know that we’re capable of being that force of compassion ourselves.
You chose a good role model
What helps is having a backbone and boundaries. And making sure people respect you and your boundaries.
I always find Superman boring, but after watching Invincible and the boys, now i understand and respect Superman and it's one of fave characters. It's very easy to lose control, but when you have a power of god and yet you have self control, clear mind, morals and kindness as common sense despite all bad things, then you can be called 'Superman' just for this.
Exactly! Being a nice person takes more strength because it's easy to destroy
Wow man, this. When we dwell in the darkness we learn just how great it is to dwell in the light!
Because, honestly, if Clark Kent was just a normal human who grew up on a farm in Kansas, he'd still help people to the best of his abilities.
The Kents raised a good boy.
Plus, he'd still be impressively strong. Don't underestimate Farmer's Strength, their daily lives include hard labour for hours on end.
Superman talking to Darkseid: What we have here is a rare opportunity to for me to cut loose. And show you just how powerful I really am.
Me: Damn. Why did I think Superman lame?
Frank Miller is one of the main contributors of the "Batman is SOOOOO much cooler and can wipe the floor with Superman!" with The Dark Knight Returns, but in TDKR 3, Bruce realizes that this whole time he could win over Superman was only because he always held back.
Mind you, this doesn't redeem Miller as a writer or makes TDKR 3 flawless, but it was nice that the guy who fed that mindset a lot corrected the course and gave respect to Superman.
Being edgy makes you a man. A lie I believed for so long.
Being angsty and brooding doesn't make you tough or cool. Because depending on who you ask, if you're honestly the type to throw temper tantrums, whine endlessly about all your problems, or hit people at the drop of a hat over small reasons, then that really makes you no different from a bitch or a child.
Take Vegeta *(Before* Dragon Ball Super) for example. Much as I love the character, it gets pretty damn laughable at times how people have always considered him more of a man than Goku from the beginning when Vegeta for the longest was this petty, angry, childish man who killed millions for fun, killed his own subordinate just for losing a fight, abused his son, and regularly endangered himself and everyone around him just because he didn't want to let go of his pride. You're really gonna say *That* was more of a man than *Z Goku?*
Yeah, their roles have basically swapped now as of the Super era where Vegeta is the more mature and rational one while Goku has mentally regressed to even *worse* than he was as a child, but back during Z, a real man Vegeta was anything but.
Exactly
I thought that was the whole point of his Majin arc, that he even after his family and the whole Cell deal he still wasn't as much of a real man so him literally blowing himself up like Goku did with Cell was simbolic of that or something
And for that reason (and many others) I refuse to acknowledge DB Super
For me personally, Dragon Ball ended with GT
(plus the super sayan 4 will always be way cooler than any Super transformation, and you can quote me on that)
The kicker? Even to this day, certain fans STILL try to act like Vegeta's done nothing wrong simply because of the fact that his attitude looked cool. And yeah, I'll admit, Vegeta throughout Namek and early Android was a badass. But.....
Upon closer inspection, he did more harm than good as the series went on. Tipping Frieza off about Namek's dragon balls? Check. Letting Cell power up to his perfect form? Check. Rushing in recklessly against Super Perfect Cell, getting injured and causing SSJ2 Gohan to lose half of his strength against the newly powered-up Android? Check. Starting a needless fight with Goku that gave Babadi all the power he needed to revive Buu? Check. Yes, he's helped out a lot, but his negatives outweigh his good.
Real men are supposed to do things that further HELP them in reaching their goals, but Vegeta has done nothing but sabotage himself and everyone around him. Actions speak louder than words.
I always identified more with Goku overal.
Just his lifestyle alone (he wakes ups trains eats and sleeps) and though i dont have children, he is the character that made it cool to be a dad as much as it influenced many of our generation to pick up the gym lifestyle.
He is a bit more childish in Super, though i get it as its actually meant to counter Beerus and not Vegeta as Vegeta is also way more passive towards Beerus and less arrogant overal. More so comparable to Piccolo.
But Goku is just as irresponsible as Vegeta, he literally kept Vegeta alive after the battle on Earth.
In my opinion Super is very misunderstood, the BOG Z movie was more slice of live and comedy oriented and it was meant to correct the damage of the DB evolution live action movie.
But it was such a succes they made RoF afterwards and than decided to create a new series.
DBS is basically a spin off of the last 2 movies that grew into its own as Toriyama was involving himself more. And Super Goku is more so based on the BOG movie, than he is on the overal series and they create dynamics per episode to have him act as in that movie.
I'm glad the internet is acknowledging these "pure good" superheores just for being good, kind-hearted people. I really got tired of all the edgy anti-heroes/villains like Homelander or Patrick Bateman, idolizing them isn't good for mental health. We should learn from characters like Superman and try to be better for a safter, healthier, and enjoyable world.
It because of the evil in our world I feel like day by day the fall of tradition heroes is upon and the rise of anti heroes is taking over.
You sound gay.
5:10 , Superman and his parents are sitting next to a literal martian and SANTA CLAUS is unrealistic?
I was just about to say this shit 😂😂. Two literal aliens that fight gods and monsters are having Christmas dinner. Santa might just might be out there kicking it.
@@danterose6673Bruh Santa makes it a point to personally give Darkseid a lump of coal every year.
Optimus Prime, Cyclops, Superman, Captain America and Spider-Man, all blue “Boy Scouts” treated like trash by their respective companies and in Prime and Scott’s case corrupted into violent anti-heroes
Being a good person is the most masculine a man can be. I had to hear this today and more people should
Exactly, being an obnoxious Andrew Tate (or any of his ilk) is something anyone can do, it's weak.
Take away their superficial "strengths" like money or muscle, and you're left with pathetic creatures that spew venom.
Eeeeeeeh
Kinda lost a lot of it with the gender neutrality. What is a "good person" for a man compared to a woman?
Kindness is badass. Gentility is strong.
Sometimes
"Sometimes Being a good person is the most masculine thing a man can be"
God damn, I've felt this way for so long but never heard it phrased so simply. Mainly in real life but especially in stories. Just the other day, I had a friend telling me how he thought that Cap and Superman are boring characters because they are the boy scout archetype at a surface level.
I am glad someone talking about these beautiful men ,who have heart of gold.
cyclops is an asshole
"With everything that's happening, the things that are about to come to light, people might just need a little old-fashioned." - Phil Coulson, Avengers
I like this archetype so much. It's a great example of what positive masculinity and leadership looks like.
I was so surprised to see hbo's my adventures with superman go the traditional superman route. It was honestly a breath of fresh air and a great show
Loved this show
I feel like some points made about cyclops can easily apply to Nightwing as well. Similar to both batman and cyclops, Nightwing also had a tragic past which led him to becoming a crime fighter and being batman's sidekick anyone would easily assume he would end up as an edgy superhero. Yet when he became Nightwing, he looked up to and took on the traits of superman and became an optimistic superhero. Nightwing genuinely seems like he's DC's best hero because regardless of how he basically grew up where everyone and everything around him was "edgy", he stayed optimistic and outgoing. There's a reason why many heroes look up to him and consider him a better leader than batman.
There’s a reason Superman goes by the name. He’s a superior man to many in pretty much every way regardless of wether or not he acts like it. Yes, he’s the strongest, most powerful man in any room more often than he isn’t but he’s also loyal, kind, compassionate, a protector, pretty much as close to being morally pure as it’s even possible to be. He’s the guy you want to follow not only because of his power, but because by his actions, morals and beliefs, he’s actually worthy of being followed. Same with Captain America.
1:04 “Don’t get distracted by the loudest person in the room. Often times the person with the most power is the quietest”
- Paul Carrick Brunson
About the Christmas episode in justice league: Santa canonically exist in the dc universe. And he actually gives Darkside a piece of coal every year
Cyclops is a boy scout... for now.
*Evil laugh* ask Magneto
Man even Revolutionary Red Cyclops is still a boy scout come on
In the end Cyclops always resolves into being again a Boy Scout. Times of crisis may axis his ideals but he can't achieve what he wants by replicating those older men's ideals
@reflectcard6258 all that's old is new again type jam
In Superman’s defense, in the DC Universe, Santa is a real dude and they have met.
The picture of Superman sitting on a cloud smiling is probably the most beautiful and my favorite representation of Superman
Logan saying to Scott "when there's somebody around worth following, I follow" is a serious complement.
Logan doesn't say things like that often, if ever.
I feel like before being an edgy character, Robin also represent the boy scout leader to the Teen Titans in the original comic. He's strangely a colorful character who's partnered with a symbol of fear.
I think Robin works best to be the balance and support to Batman's trauma instead of just "Kid Dark Knight".
But again, he's meant to be a kid appeal and I guess modern kid's more appealed with slightly a darker version of him.
I think you need to understand that the reason the current Robin is different from the og Robin is because he is a completely different character,robin is mantle that has been passed down from different characters,the og robin does still exist and is still an optimistic boy scout character he just goes by a different name now (Nightwing) also I recommend looking into the Grant Morrison Batman and Robin series the first one the current robin appeared in because in that series Nightwing had become Batman after Bruce "died" so it felt like Batman and Robin had a sort of role/personality reverse were now Batman was the optimist and Robin was the darker one and they're dynamic was just really great,I feel like it was a mistake when they brought Bruce back to be Batman again because it did disturb the balance as they are really similar as characters
People have been sleeping on Cyclops. The movies did him dirty over the last few decades, but the comics made him into the most interesting characters in the X men. Glad to see he's finally getting some recognition.
Snyder cut Superman was a return to a more hopeful and traditional version of the character. Zack purposely wrote a character arc for Henry's superman where he wouldn't start off being the happy and confident incarnation of the hero, but over the course of several films would eventually transform into it. BvS was essentially Superman in his darkest hour while in the Snyder cut he was reborn and truly found his stride especially when he fought Stephenwolfe.
He didn't ever write those movies. You guys are really weird.
I love characters like Captain America, Superman and more recently, Cyclops simply because they are good people who try to do the right thing. To me, that's inspiring , and i believe in a word that is becoming increasingly cynical and tragic, there is hope that there are people out there who keep a positive outlook on life and try to share that with the world
I think Cavil's Superman is misunderstood, because the actual take is "how much an old fashioned Boy Scout is going to have to struggle internaly in order to overcome today's pessimistic society and stay optimistic and idealistic" wich you can better grasp in the extended cut of BvS.
@ohscarleon
100%!
Loved reading your post!
I feel like a lot of people intentionally ignore the broader picture because they just didn't like Zack Snyder and his overall vision for the DCEU. I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion in this video that Henry's Superman wasn't a boyscout. He absolutely was! He had a very Christlike calm about him, which is as good as it gets!
Snyder stated he wanted Superman to be reminiscent of Jesus Christ (who is the biggest boy scout of all time), and it is noted in the New Testament quite often that throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus was often sad and needed time alone. There were plenty of moments where Cavil smiled or had a good chuckle or two. Being happy/hopeful doesn't necessarily require a big fake smile 100% of the time. And in the real world... no one is always positive. We cant be lol! We all have doubts as well as fears. For me it is beyond admirable that Kal is able to push it aside and keeps on keeping on even unto death, which is a major testament to his goodness and his drive to do what's right.
My favorite moment in Man of Steel is when he is being crushed by the world engine, and when all seems lost and the very world is pushing him down, he looks up with a determined expression, and flies into the jaws of defeat and snatches an impossible victory.
That is everything Superman has represented over the last 80 or so years, and just because he isn't wearing bright blue tights with red underwear, and not smiling all the time shouldn't disqualify him from the beacon of hope conversation.
Was it a different approach? Absolutely! But the basic principles that make Superman who he is were very easily identified throughout the series (especially in Zack Snyder's Justice Lague) where everything finally comes full circle.
But Snyder's Superman is defeated by the pessimism of the world he's in which is totally erroneous for Superman
@@zyaicob Sure, so sacrificing himself for the hope of mankind is giving up to pessimism.
@@ohscarleon well obviously not, that's a generalisation and there are exceptions, but his personality is just not Superman
@@zyaicob So you agree that ultimately he's not defeated even though sometimes it seems like it, which is actually called character arc and Personality growth? Lol Supermen have had different personalities all over the comics in various degrees of "giddy"ness, if you don't like a specific director that's fine, it's your opinion. But to categorically claim that "it's not Superman" is a generalization like you said yourself.
"Sometimes just being a good person is one of the most masculine things a man can be."
More than a few men need to hear this.
Optimus prime has a boy scout like masculinity
I like how you said that all of the heroes mentioned are great leaders. You need to have strong morals and optimism if you want to be an effective leader.
I think another good addition would be Leonardo from TMNT he definitely has the blue boy scout vibe
'A good person' will always be the most masculine thing a man can be. Superman will always be my favorite superhero. He is what a superhero should be. He is a good person to everyone and takes the time to help, even if it is as small as walking someone across the street or getting a little girls cat down from a tree. My favorite line from the first movie might be his response to Lois asking him,'Who are you? He says: 'A friend.' And he really is a friend.
“Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things”
Now tell me, does that sound easy to you? Does that sound weak? To be hopeful in spite of all the darkness around you, to love when seemingly no one else will, that is true strength. It is not flashy, it doesn’t brag, it just *is*, and it never changes or gives up. This is what I believe these characters are trying to portray, and it is a powerful message indeed, one I wish all could hear and receive.
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You're good man.
Thanks for talking about this we need more examples of the different sides of what masculinity really is not just the one dimensional characters that are being thrown in our faces
Thanks for this video. I always looked up to and wanted to be like many fictional characters (Optimus Prime, The Flash, Captain America etc). Recently my environment made me doubt that the qualities they possess are possible to hold in the real world. But this made me see that there is no problem seeing the best in the world and just trying to be a good man, Thanks
Honestly I feel like the actual realistic answer to "what would a normal person who was raised right do if they had the powers and abilities of Superman" *is* "use it to help as many people as they can". Clark Kent *is* realistic, it's just popular for cynics to confuse themselves with realists (and viewing fundamental decency and human goodness as "childish" and "unrealistic" is a sign of immaturity. I feel like people like that never really grew out of being teenagers).
Hell, some versions of Superman take it even farther - even someone like Lex Luthor becomes a good person when he's given Superman's powers and starts to realize what it's like to live Superman's life.
Growing up, I always preferred characters that had the rogue and edgy persona, and even to this day, I still do. However, these days I look back to heroes like these and have learned to appreciate them more, especially Cyclops. Ever since X-Men 97 debuted, I had completely forgotten how much of a better character Cyclops was than how they portrayed him in the movies, I was never a big fan of him as a kid but I'm more grateful for his character now after being reminded of how much of a bigger role he always had within the original series.
Literally that powerful thumbnail:
Captain America: 🗿
Superman: 🗿
Cyclops: 🗿
...perfection.
Many of what you mentioned summed up why I've always been a fan of the boy/girl scout archetype. And I do love characters like Superman or Captain America. Just doing things because its the right thing to do. Not because they're seeking validation or for an ulterior motive. They've got nothing to prove. Just a humble and optimistic demeanour. I also like it when they have storylines which question their archetype and showcase that they can have frustrations with how shitty the world can be. But still try to rise above it. Its why Superman Vs The Elite is one of my all-time favourites.
Wouldnt optimus prime, aang, and Goliath fit this role too
I guess they’re the Masculinity of Strangers in a Strange land, and how they develop while still being true to themselves in a new era, similar to Cap.
Id say Goliath's temper would disqualify him but beyond that
@@Hakar17 Nah.
@@Hakar17 If that was the case then Cyclops shouldn't be in here either
5:14 Ironically, Santa DOES exist in the DC universe....and I mean, if you are an alien who can fly and bend steel with your bare hands and do some other crazy powerful stuff.....believing that an entity like santa exists might not be that far off.
"Peter, if your gonna be a hero, be a real hero. Don't be one of those hollywood heroes pretending to be tough. Be strong enough to be gentle."
-Larry Cullen to Peter Cullen
I honestly hope that people can become more like these characters in this year.
Someone whos a little cheesy, but is optimistic, fun, and honest to others and themselves. This kind of character I feel goes under appreciated.
1:37 Thing in here is that video came too late to make that claim. We're starting to turn back around because now everyone is tired of evil superman
All Might is the modern epitome of this archetype for sure. Much needed as a beacon of hope and giving people something to strive for.
I’ve always known these 3 were in my top 10 favorite superheroes, but I think you just helped me understand why. Great job on this video.
So many roads unknown, so many good hearted trying to make a difference, hopeful against seemingly unending evil, to give their lives for a better future even if not for themselves, how can we see them and not join them, how can we not want what's best for everyone
Many pop culture stories are about an exemplary hero and a rough and/or sneaky one having to cooperate despite their differences. Superman and Batman, Luke Skywalker and Yan Solo, Captain America and Iron man, Thor and Loki etc... There is also female duo like Katara and Toff, or mixed ones like Jim Raynor and Sarah Kerrigan based on the same trope. The first hero is able to build long term alliances based on trust while the second intervene when short time efficiency is needed.
In general, this trope is best applied when the character in question has flaws and limitations but are depicted as having the humility to accept them and the courage to overcome them just as they would other obstacles they are pitted against. In essence, the ideal conflict for “boy scout” is to not allow themselves or their values to be changed by situations that would see them become as corrupted as either their enemies or even some of their allies.
2:36, In terms of more modern takes on the traditionally virtuous and optimistic Superman, Superman And Lois and My Adventures With Superman return to Clark’s routes as a far brighter character, one that emphasizes hope, love, compassion and generosity, but also one backs up with the will, discipline and courage to fight for his world and the values he stands for. And despite this, these depictions are still allowed Clark to be fallible and flawed, their idealism and experiences as a superhero often driving wedges between humans with more cynical views and motives (wether or not they are justified). Snyder’s vision somewhat incorporates this idea, but is never interested in Clark attempting to prove his ideals as worthy, preferring to have to hover majestically like a god rather than interact with people as a man, performing simple acts of kindness along with his grand acts of heroism instead of just grand displays of power that further separated him for the people he sought to protect. These versions of Clark even lose confidence or their temper at times, but have the awareness to acknowledge their mistakes and not allow failures, losses or the will of others change who they are.
3:47, For Steve, his honor and desire to do good is treated as admirable, but he also backs up his beliefs with the will to fight for them, even against a world that doesn’t share them. However, his ideals can also verge on stubbornness, a refusal to compromise even when it’s arguably necessary. He may he willing to make tough decisions and endure loss, but some lines he refuses to cross no matter who is telling him, his enemies or his friends. But beyond that, he is made interesting because of how much he has sacrificed and lost by being Captain America, how he at times regrets investing so much of his life into being a soldier that he can’t imagine a peaceful world, only the next mission. In this context, his bravest act is being able to have a life for himself even if it was temporary.
5:19, Scott is perhaps the most interesting of these “boy scouts” because his identity as this righteous, dutiful soldier and ally to his people was imprinted on him by Charles, a persona of the ideal mutant, the perfect hero he didn’t make himself. He is expected by humans and by Charles to be perfect, moral and virtuous, and feels the pressure to project this confident image constantly. But combined with his unstable powers is the insecurity he feels about them and about his place as a leader and a symbol. And so, he sometimes cracks under that pressure, letting anger and pride guide his actions, his need to prove his worth. But even with these flaws, he is still a capable leader, still able to coordinate his team and various other efforts to ensure the protection of his kind.
Thank God I find your channel with this vid... fantastic way to remember us about this great archetype (and characters that I love so much)
This was the best video I've seen all month. Thanks.
To be Fair, Henry Cavill's Superman was picking up from very Dark Storylines, eventually becoming the Superman we all Love! He, the Actor, actually really Loves what Superman stands for & enjoyed everytime he was finally able to portray him how he truly is! He even became a Fan & to this day roots for the NFL Team closest to Smallville, USA (Inspired from) IMHO He was great when The Trinity finally Formed & in ZSJL!
Another character like this is Optimus Prime. He's an alien robot but basically embodies the same qualities. He has to be gentle bc everything on earth is so fragile compared to him. And he's so powerful he doesn't need to be loud or boisterous bc realistically, nobody is kicking his a**
Thus is such a wholesome analysis. Great video!
Superman and Lois has the best live action version of Superman next to Christopher Reeves.
Great video! Thanks for granting a title to this archetype, and making a video that really resonated with me for a reason I can't quite put my finger on.
Thank you for this video. These are three of my favorite superheroes for this very reason. Its nice to see them get proper appreciation.
This vídeo helped so much, to embrace myself. Good video man😁
Thanks to the Superman Animated Series, my interest in becoming a fan grew into the early 2000s. Yes, the line "cardboard" is epic, but I find his commentary on the death of Dan Turpin to be superior.
"Goodbye, old friend; in the end, the world didn't really need Superman, just a brave one." I cry tears every time. You see Superman's tears. How can you not like him?
in a hateful world, the greatest act of rebellion is love
Being just in an unjust world takes a strength that many do not possess. They give themselves to cynicism, and expediency. The person who can give away power, knowing he still has plenty, that is what strength is; to not fear losing power.
I would argue that Scott has never been a boy scout, despite getting called that a lot in and out of universe, but more of a well-meaning martinet. His trauma and anxieties all revolve around situations outside his control, abandonment, and being responsible for other people's lives, so he craves rules, structure, plans for every situation, and has real trouble letting his guard down. Hence why he ends up in relationships with telepaths; they're the only ones who can see what's really going on in his head.
Another great example is He-Man. The original show is still worth watching.
I think you mean true masculinity
love these videos keep up the good work man 💪
Thanks brodie
@@imranbulks I thought what they all have in common is that they're all examples of their teams and franchises
I wouldn’t consider cyclops a Boy Scout necessarily in the comics he’s just incredibly repressed fearing he’ll hurt someone for instance he’s cheated on his wife multiple times become the new magneto been a vessel for the phoenix and done a bunch of bad shit not to say he’s a bad person far from it but he isn’t a paragon trying his best to be and that’s why I love him
Thanks, I needed that.
This video really inspired me!
I'm glad you released this video. Nowadays we're having our minds polluted with junk and bigotry. This vid def slapped me into reality. All love from the Big Apple.
In Superman’s defense, Santa is in the DC Universe and gives Darkseid coal every year for Christmas
This is the best troup of a charakter in Comic book storylines. The idea of true superhero figure
Great video and great message!
"Be strong enough to be gentle." -Larry Cullen
Straight knowledge gems in this vid. Thank you sir
I love the Boy Scout hero along with the tragic dark hero. That’s why I love Batman and Superman’s relationship
I’m always happy when I see videos appreciating Superman and his personality and values. I always found him admirable and as much as I’m well aware he’s just a fictional character I look at what he stands for as being something to aspire towards
That Bucky part of your video had me cracking up.
3:07 was not expecting that😂
I think to have uncompromising integrity in the face of incredible adversity is one of the bravest thing you can do
Also Leonardo from TMNT
Yes. This is the comment I was looking for.
Giving up is easier than being undying loyal to a ideal thats why everybody has fallen nowadays
Too many men just blindly accept, embrace and even defend all the negative traits that are attached to masculinity without fighting them.
That was very beautifully written👍
You would make a good writer.
1:03 “masculinity is constantly link with being the loudest, flashies, and most aggressive one in the room. These characters are the complete opposite of this” *shows cyclops using his beams to land after his vehicle gets taken down by a sentinel*
I can't wait until your channel blows up
Superman was basically a god living among men.
A Christ-like one.
Him taking time out of his day to take a cat down out of the tree and giving it to the little girl that showed awe in presence of the divine was an incredibly touching scene
I genuinely believe that the Tyler Hoechlin version is the perfect modern portrayal of Superman. He just captured Superman's kindness and heart for me. I was someone who used to think Supes was lame but his version made me a legit fan of the character for some reason
I agreed. It's the speech that Aunt May gave to Peter in Spider-Man 2. I real hero is the one to hold on to something and it's willing to sacrifice what he loves, for the grater good.
There's nothing more manly than having compassion for the little guy but also being strong enough to look out for him if he needs it.
Great video!!! I love these three characters. That's why they're always the team leaders. Is always good to remind people why captain can wield Mjolnir, he has a pure heart. As the same with superman and cyclops.❤️🔥💪🏽🦸🏻♂️
Clone Wars and revenge of the sith obi wan is one of my favorite role models tbh. Despite all the horrible things that happened to him, he never once gave into the dark side and always stayed optimistic. Not only that but he knew anakin was married and when obi wan lost his lover, he decided to let anakin stay married because he wanted anakin to have a chance at the happiness he couldn’t have.