I wouldn't mind him leaving Naruto and Sasuke nearly as much if he set them up with actual competent sensei. But, no, he completely ignored Sakura and left Naruto, the 9 Tails jinchuriki, in the hands of FUCKING EBISU. You even remember who tf that is? Probably not, because he's a random nobody who did fucking nothing. If he left Naruto with Jiraiya (who he knew pretty well) and Sakura with basically anyone, it wouldn't have been nearly as big an issue
@@lamar9616 oh wow 2 things he thought through out the WHOLE story other than wall walking and neither of them was for sakura, so kakashi was still lacking so you just prove the dude's point.
@@WiiSage obviously she's not that not much important and plus chakra control training is much more suited to her plus. And again it's Sakura not much important don't be nchammer23/Sakura fan they both suck
Kakashi reminds me of high level athletes that go on to be coaches and suck at it. When you’re a prodigy, it’s probably frustrating to teach non-prodigies. The inverse is probably why Jiraiya was an incredible teacher.
I mean, he had 1 arch to train team 7 as a team. and in that 1 arch his method of pitching sasuke and naruto against each other for chakra control tree climbing actually did work. idk, if saying he “sucks” is all that accurate, since the times we do see him taking a teaching roll, he DOES get results. -team 7 initiation for teamwork -chakra control for tree climbing -chidori for sasuke and sharingan training -development of Naruto’s Rasenshuriken.
@@midshipman8654 I agree. I just think he’s not very good in comparison to the other teachers. He taught Sakura next to nothing tbh. The reason why Sasuke got so much stronger, I believe, is because he’s a genius like Kakashi (although, far from the same level of genius). I think if he had been Neji’s teacher, he would’ve had similar results, but he struggled to advance his non-prodigious students very much. He was at a bit of a handicap, though, considering Naruto had that extra seal disrupting his chakra and Sakura seemed to be more interested in hanging out with Sasuke than getting stronger.
@@iamdavidreardon No kakashi truly was a shitty ass teacher naruto didn't have any extra seals disrupting his chakra the only time he did have such a seal was during the chunnin exam and this shows actually how shitty a teacher kakashi is he focused entirely on sasuke so much that he didnt even check sakura or naruto if they were hurt in any way he had to get jiraya who found the seal by ACCIDENT to get rid of it thank god he got jiraya to train him otherwise his seal would be there the whole of naruto and likely no one would realize it. All the other teams either learn from their clan hyuuga inuzuka aburame or they actually get training and help from their sensei like lee and tenten which you can see how they improve and keep learning new stuff all the time seriously everyone learns new jutsu's constantly or they learn new things because their senseis are atleast competent at it. Kakashi meanwhile... Walk up a tree while I watch and do absolutely NOTHING TO HELP! He only motivated them he didn't explain the technique that well HELL SAKURA HAD TO HELP THEM! SAKURA HARUNO AS A GENIN WAS A BETTER TEACHER THEN FUCKING KAKASHI HATAKE! This isn't about being a prodigy teaching none prodigy this is a complete lack of active teaching which jiraya also has naruto never had a proper teacher EVER everything he did learn he got vague instructions on and then learned by himself. Think about it rasengan jiraya said do this done with that oh you got help from a cat? cool anyway do this thing done? neat alright now do this step etc and so on because of this people consider naruto being a crappy ninja because he doesn't grow as others should... No it's not that naruto is a great ninja learning the rasengan in a few weeks where it toke jiraya months it's not that he is a crappy ninja it is because he is sorrounded by crappy teachers. We hear kakashi taught tree walking jiraya taught water walking kakashi actually was good he taught him wind release THEY DIDNT TEACH SHIT! It was all trial and error because they were such crappy teachers I love them as characters and such but as teachers they fucking suck and can get thrown in the trash. Hell during his training of wind release he went to asuma because kakashi was such a crappy teacher which was the smartest thing he has ever done in relations teaching ascepts in that one moment naruto had an actual teacher who taught him something who explained things properly and wouldn't you fucking know it he understood after a while and mastered it even if it was supposed too be incredibly hard why? BECAUSE ASUMA WAS A PROPER TEACHER UNLIKE THE OTHER 2 IDIOTS!!! Too summarize kakashi and jiraya cool characters love them in general but as teachers... Fuck em id rather be taught by iruka how to be a ninja then I rather be taught by iruka then those 2 idiots.
@@iamdavidreardon Yeah that's why I summarized it a little in the end don't worry about reading it all was just ranting mostly at the mere thought of those 2 being considered good teachers.
Not only did Kakashi leave Sakura for a month, he taught her nothing for weeks while Sasuke and Naruto were learning to climb the tree. Sakura was just chilling and wasting time. And btw, Might Guy helped build Neji's stamina by having him compete with Lee.
When Sasuke and Naruto were learning how to climb trees, Sakura kept chilling because she learnt it first. Remember, when he was supposed to be a little genius? That's from that time
While Naruto and Sasuke were trying to climb trees, Kakashi should have taught Sakura how to walk on water. That would have ensured that her control would have kept pace with their capacity. He could also have taught her the fundamentals of focusing her chakra to gain super strength.
@@karsten69 That would also boost Sasuke's and Naruto's determination (They were already determined, but maybe it would helped them a bit) to keep doing that, because there was Sakura, who was already 2 steps in front of them both. They'd be like - "wow, she can now walk on water, how cool, I wanna do that too.".
In a flashback scene of Lee learning the Lotus, Guy actually says something along the lines of "In the end only Lee could learn this jutsu" meaning he actually tried to teach both Neji and Tenten the Lotus. Lee might have been his favourite but he definitely loved all three of them. Also Neji did get to make jonin, I believe he was the only of the Konoha 12 to make Jonin during the timeskip. Lol
Is so dumb that shino never became a jounin . The dude was arguably the strongest genin/chunin in konoha. He was going in missions with his dad, a high-level jounin and clan leader, yet he never made it past chunin.
@@jorge9604 , Naruto never made it past Genin, and yet somehow he’s the Hokage in Boruto, so you can have a really powerful Ninja that isn’t Chunin or Jonin for that matter.
@@jorge9604 I guess, maybe becoming Jonin is a bit like going for university..? (just speculating) Like, maybe it's strongly advised, but not mandatory to become one. Shino already had been of higher levels of missions with his father, meaning he had a better opportunity to get the high levels with lower rank than anyone else. Probably, as chunin, he got to some high-level missions alongside with his father, and later alone, so it wasn't even necessary for him to get a higher rank so he decided to pass on it. And maybe he just wasn't interested in high positions even. Maybe all he wanted to do is to be a teacher himself and figured training for the position would be better than making the exam that won't do much for him later on.. I dunno, I feel like decision was only Shino's. No one could force him to go if he didn't want to after all :0.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Correct me if I'm wrong but, Sasuke never made it to Chunin or Jonin too. Both Naruto and Sasuke are the strongest ninjas in Konoha.
He also taught Sasuke the one jitsu that works with just plowing ahead and not worryingly about what's behind you. He legitimately gave him tunnel vision the jitsu
@@tsukune2910 if you mean the original commenter i can see why people might think the whole tunnel vision jutsu is funny but im pretty sure the series states the sharingan fixes it or is heavily implied to
@@B3an01 yea im talking about the original comment not yours. And then people are liking this misinformation. He tought sasuke Chidori knowing he had sharingan.
@ren @leo that's not the point. My point is he taught him to be zoned on a target. Yes the sharingan fixes the vision part. But he taught him to be a tunnel visioned killer how kakashi was taught to be a tunnel visioned killer. Hell when he failed a job ( protecting Naruto's mom ) Donzo but him into the ombo to be just that a not self thinking killer. That's why his a terrible teacher the whole point of the video.
Kakashi ditching Naruto and Sakura to teach Sasuke individually never sat right with me upon viewing. Even though he understood how far behind the other two were, he focused on Sasuke because he clearly favored him. This made me see Kakashi as too conceited/aloof to be a fully functional sensei for the remainder of the series tbh but he's still badass
The thing that gets me about the chunin exam is that, while I understand Sasuke needed it more immediately with the match against Gaara just to survive, if Sasuke lost and Naruto went on to face Gaara, Naruto would have been completely unprepared to face him without Jiraya. If everything went to plan without the sand & sound invasion and Ebisu was all Naruto had, Naruto would have gotten got in a match against Gaara. Cause let’s be honest, without plot armor and the very plot itself, Sasuke and Naruto would have gotten got.
He didn't focus on Naruto because He knew Jirraya would train him (it wasn't coincidence that Kakashi started focusing on Sasuke when Jirraya arived). The only person he forgot was Sakura but I'd say that has more to do with Kishimoto than Kakashi. Kishimoto literally forgot Sakura's development so many times she became a meme.
In the case of the chuunin exam I don't think it was Kakashi playing favorites. Two things to remember: 1) Kakashi knew Sasuke had the cursed seal placed on him by Oro so he wanted to keep a close eye on him both to ensure the cursed seal did not emerge again and to protect Sasuke. 2) Sasuke has the same lightning affinity as Kakashi, so he knew that he'd be especially suited to learn Chidori. He even mentions he's personally training Sasuke because they're "the same type".
This feels like one of those things where Kishimoto had an endgoal in mind but couldn't didn't have a good way to get there. I doubt that he intended to make Kakashi look bad but he needed his students to be mentored by the Sannin so Kakashi got thrown under the bus. Kishimoto probably doesn't even realize how dirty he did Kakashi's character.
Totally agree. I think the image he had of Kakashi and the character who Kakashi turned out to be ended in two completely different places. His hands-off approach makes sense given his past, but the fact that his mentality didn’t evolve in response to what his students’ was *sooo* unfortunate 😬
Like most of the issues with Naruto's writing, and a lot of manga in general, it all stems from having to write as you go, week by week, instead of using a lot slower, edit heavy style of writing like you might do with a Novel or Light Novel series. Writing as you go encourages and leads to a lot of issues like having to retcon a lot, creating inadvertent plot holes, "writing your way back" to established "mystery boxes" and general inconsistencies that pop up when you change ideas after setting up said boxes. Writing a story is really fucking hard, even when it's the only thing you're focusing on and you're given a LOT of time. Kishi had to do that while drawing sick art and being held to a strict deadline.
I mean, one thing that I could think of that Kishimoto could've done is to make Kakashi teach them all of the basics, like atleast teaching them 1 ninjutsu or genjutsu for sakura, but focus more on the mental and emotional foundations of what being a shinobi is
My whole thing with kakashi is that he not only neglected the three in regards to their training, but he also neglected their emotional needs. Naruto was clearly starved for any form of positive reinforcement that ne scarcely received in his entire life. Sakura had a lack of self esteemed and essentially let everyone walk over and ignore her. Sasuke had SEVERE emotional and psychological trauma not to mention his aggression, superiority and inferiority complex and lack of social skills. At the very least he should have tried to get sasuke in a more emotionally stable state of mind given their shared similarities wnd trauma, but all he did was give an unstable child access to skills he shouldn't have and a few random pep talks and expected hijmto figure it out. I get that they are basically child soldiers but with how their own sensie treated them I'm surprised they had enough plot armor to get as good as they did with so few body counts.
beautiful said brother, yea kakashi was soooo bad as a sensai, if they had anyone else sasuke would not leave the village and naruto and Sakura would be better ninjas, sasuke would probably talk to Jiraya or the Hokage or anyone, find scrolls etc...to get stronger, heck if in the timeline kakashi wasn't the sensei, he can still ask kakashi to help him learn some sharingan tricks or jutsus
Its insane to think that nobody in the entire fckn village tried to counsel Sasuke after the massacre. He never really got help with that. They threw him into a appartment to live alone and just hoped that it worked itself out. With that in mind, Sasuke was surprisingly stable. It just didnt take mutch to throw him back.
@@Fion355 Yeah, the ninja village as a whole is fucked but again I mainly blame the third hokage. The man is constantly just letting bad shit happen and doing less than the bare minimum clean up in order to fix it.
@@cryingtomatohead8626 To be fair to Hiruzen here, he didn’t want Sasuke to survive the Massacre in the first place. Itachi went against orders and refused to kill Sasuke, effectively blackmailing Hiruzen and Danzo for the terrible things they’ve done behind everyone’s backs. Hiruzen didn’t care about Sasuke. He never wanted an unstable Uchiha running around trying to avenge his clan and kill Hiruzen’s double agent in the Akatsuki. So he did nothing. Hiruzen is a lot more cold-hearted that then series shows much of the time. He did basically nothing to turn the tides of hate away from Naruto, worrying that it would sully his own reputation and therefore his vision for the village. He himself didn’t visit Naruto much and wasn’t surprised at Naruto’s horrible living conditions. He allowed ROOT to kidnap and brainwash kids all around Konoha. And he clearly treated Asuma coldly throughout his childhood, which is why Asuma was so bitterly against his dad. Hiruzen is much like Danzo and much like Tobirama. He acted like he wasn’t much of the time to avoid facing reality, but he let Danzo do whatever he wanted without any consequences. And he abandoned those who weren’t of any use to him.
I am 1000% convinced Teuchi would do it too. That man always fed Naruto even when he couldn't pay. He never chased him off from his restaurant even though every other shop owner did. And he gave him that coupon at his wedding. I am convinced he truly saw Naruto as his unofficial son.
Like Iruka, Teuchi was abandoned as a character in early Naruto. I legit have to wonder what the purpose of building Iruka was when he pretty much never appears after the first few episodes.
And there's some speculation that Teuchi was in Minato's team, right? Or at the very least was good friends with Minato. So there is relationship there. Teuchi was basically Naruto's uncle but had to keep his distance due to the rest of the village hating Naruto, but he never stopped taking care of the lil guy despite that.
@AzureKite that may actually br a great hypothesis. Thay teuchi aided naruto in the only way he could. Perhaps, when Minato and Kushina died, teuchi saw naruto being abandoned by the village, and through social conditioning he didn't want to be seen openly aiding naruto. So he may have decided to not openly support naruto, but to never turn him away if he came needing something
Really makes you appreciate Might Guy training his team both 1-on-1 and as a team. He also specifically focused on making his students overcome their weaknesses
@@dudejoe24 Wise words from a more experienced teacher. Kakashi probably should have listened. The Forest of Death really f'd his team up, although... to be fair... he couldn't have known how bad it would get.
@@__-fi6xg None of which has anything to do with Gai failing as a teacher except possibly for Lee getting crippled by Gaara's sand coffin. Gai was a much better sensei than Kakashi ever was.
Ironic considering I'd say Bushy Brow Sensei is the absolute #1 Sensei, due to the fact he got Ten-Ten AND Rock Lee who were both garbage in nearly everything, but he found a way to turn them both into masters. Albeit with hard work from each of them, he allowed his entire team to absolutely thrive with what they had, Neji was a prodigy so he didn't need as much help.
And even with Neji, you could argue that by making Neji compete with Rock Lee the way he himself used to compete with Kakashi, it elevated both of those dudes up. In order to keep up with Rock Lee's insane training regimen, Neji had to become a beast. He had insane stamina and physical strength after Gai's training, which combined with his byakugan and the gentle fist technique made him a certified beast. Like, Hinata is pretty strong, right? But comparing her taijutsu with Neji's, and there is a canyon of difference because Neji was trained by and with two taijutsu gods.
thats the thing we’ve seen guy training w neji nd lee before in naruto nd in shippuden the reason neji risks his life for Naruto isnt j bc he was called a genius guy passed down a will thru his training nd words nd neji clearly followed it guy even says this when he saves kakashi from madara
In original Naruto...our first or second interaction we saw between Kakashi and Guy shows that Guy was better at being a sensei. Guy saw his genin were not ready and held them back a year before entering the chunin exam. Team 7 was very immature mentally and physically. I wonder how the story would be if Kakashi let his team mature a year before entering Chunin exam
I'd like to take this time to remind everyone that Kakashi chewed Iruka out when signing Team 7 up for the chunin exams when Iruka thought it was too early for them. Kakashi made it clear that Iruka had no room to criticize his teaching methods, saying quote "They aren't your students anymore, they're mine," Fast-forward to the chunin exams and when Lee is tapping into the 8 gates, Kakashi has the nerve to start criticizing Guy's teaching methods for teaching Lee such a dangerous technique, while also having his woefully underprepared students participating in the same environment and the only reason they managed to make it that far is mostly by sheer luck, lol.
Omg I suddenly remembered this part that I thought at the time was unimportant! And you're so right ! Iruka was right ! Joining in the Chunin exams made Sasuke's inferiority complex grow to the point that he thought going with a child-stalker would be a great idea , Sakura almost died , Naruto would have ended up defeating Gaara even without joining Chunin exam because he spammed shadow clones and used summoning Jutsu that Jiraiya taught him . Guy was the one who did the best : Perfected Neji's moves , taught Lee something that would change his life , made Tenten use her weak powers to the farthest extent so that she doesn't end up dead... And Kakashi had the NERVE to criticize Guy ...
Kakashi was such a garbage Sensei lol. He legit taught his team nothing except Tree-Walking (and Chidori for Sasuke). And then he signed them up to go against kids like Gaara, Shino, and Neji. Sasuke and Sakura both almost died to Gaara. Naruto would have died to Gaara if it hadn’t been for Jiraiya’s teachings.
Even setting aside how Kakashi didn't teach Team 7 new jutsu, he could've at least expanded on sakura's chakra control and taught her about recognising and breaking free of genjutsu. He could've taught Naruto how to effectively use his shadow clones instead of just using them for the numbers advantage.
Actually he DID teach Sakura to break genjutsu. Which is why she didn't fall under one when the Sand/Sound attacked the Leaf. He also taught Naruto how to use his clones effectively when training for Rasenshuriken.
In all honesty....Kakashi's 3 only began to realize true potential AFTER they went to the Sannin. Sakura was suppose to be a Genjutsu specialist before Tsunade 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah? Remind me what Jiraiya taught Naruto again during the time skip? Then remind me who was left to pick up his slack. Sasuke was mostly self-taught, he didn’t really learn much from Orochimaru. The only one who truly benefited from a Sanin was Sakura.
Instead of genjutsu specialist,it would be better to build from her weakness. She was useless against Kakashi genjutsu so she trained to resist that. Her close quarters combat skills sucked so she learned them. She couldn't help when they were wounded so she learned medical skills. The fact that she didn't learn seal after the forest of death is the one thing was missing really.
@Eternal Brightness well Kishimoto needed us to see Naruto learn the Rasenshuriken and Sage Mode. I'd have had Naruto arrive back at Konoha already a perfect Sage, with the Rasenshuriken already throwable. And he would have fully mastered control of the V1 Nine Tails Cloak, but have hit a wall. Sakura would fill her Byakuya Seal during the mission to Tenshi Bridge, and already have achieved Hashirama Sage Mode via the Hashirama Cell, Tsunade knows about it, knows about Yamato, and Sakura would likely be able to handle and support the first Hokage's living flesh, and Tsunade would know this and would take advantage of like a serious wound Sakura takes during training or on a mission, by healing Hashirama flesh into it. Sasuke would also have trained in Ryuchi Cave and mastered Snake Sage Mode. All during the Timeskip.
Something to consider is why Kakashi was such a bad teacher, and I think the answer to that is Minato. Jiraiya said that Minato was such a prodigy he didn't really need any training, that meant Minato didn't know how to be a good teacher. Then, Minato's squad was on war time missions and frequently split up. Throw in that Minato died young and couldn't really guide Kakashi, and that even in Anbu, you had Itachi and Yamato as the closet people Kakashi might teach, and Kakashi really just had no good feedback to learn how to be a teacher from either his days as a student or a teacher. Even when he saw the rift between Sasuke and Naruto and went to Jiraiya for help, Jiraiya just said that it was no big deal and left Kakashi without any guidance.
When he tied Sasuke to the tree and basically just said "stahp it" in part 1, it was clear he didnt have a full grasp on the situation like you said. And him failing as a teacher is actually part of his arc in Shippuden by him feeling it is his responsibility to stop sasuke himself due to his failure as a sensei to effectively guide him
@@boxingelfis1499 I think Minato's advice to Kakashi about chidori summed up his teaching skills. He had never seen the technique before, showing how much he wasn't close to his student. Then he gave Kakashi some quick advice that amounted to "get good", and basically told him to abandon the technique opposed to figuring out how to make it work for him. Look at how Jiraiya praised Naruto for solving the Rasengan in a way that worked for him. Minato never would have done that.
Sakuras chakra control means that during the days naruto and sasuke learned to climb a tree, he could teach her the water walk. Also right after the zabuza fight, he should have let her find out her chakra nature and work on that. I could get him not teaching naruto nature jutsu bcus his chakra control wasnt good, but why not sakura
Wasn't he bedridden at the time? About the nature jutsu, you have a good point. Why didn't Sakura ever learned it anyway? Not even from Tsunade. Or did she (even by Kakashi), but it was not deemed relevant to her character arc?
@@babadoudidadouda true he was in bed at the time, but the basic knowledge of knowing your chakra nature i think should have been taught in the academy from the start. but with sakura specifically, her chakra control from the start was insane and she would have benefited from any chakra nature and could master it faster than most of the konoha 11 i think.
He couldn't teach her chakra natures. Sakura had good chakra control, but elemental ninjutsu requires large chakra reserves (which she didn't have). You are right though. As soon as she did the tree walking technique correctly once, he just let her do nothing. He could have had her repeat the exercise to improve her stamina and chakra reserves, which she desperately needed.
@@finris1 well true, but kakashi also had small chakra reserves and after he got the sharingan he used even more of his chakra and yet still he used elemental jutsu, bcus he improved his chakra control so thats why i say sakura could use some bacis elemental jutsu without much cost to her stamina overall, not to spam jutsus just use it once in a while or in a pinch
It would've been SO cool to see Sakura become a Genjutsu/healer. I'm actually disappointed it didn't happen. She's kinda more of a one-punch/healer. But if you add Genjutsu to that, it would make so much sense. Befuddle her enemies so she could punch the hell outta them in one hit.
I will forever say that kishimoto should have focused a lot on sakuras battle iq and had chiyo teach her puppet strings. And maybe once she got the 100 healings seal it would transfer through the strings essentially turning her into the ultimate support ninja who can constantly heal her allies from long distances and literally pull them out of any bad situations
@@nishathaveri4498I mean he admitted he never really had an emotional relationship with another woman besides his mother soooo.... lmao. Japanese men continuing to be Japanese men
@@Some_guy_passing_by Eh also the poor planning to make genjutsu the potential specialty of somebody on a team with somebody whose family legacy is their good at gentsu thanks to their Kekke Genkai. Basically dooming her to either get ignored, rendered second best, or be the redundant member of the team, if he'd developed that plot point. Though it still could have worked if he made Kakashi teach them the following Sasuke becomes the front line fighter with ninjutsu and genjutsu. Make Sakura the team assassin teaching her kenjutsu and genjutsu. Have Naruto start off specializing in summoning jutsu so he could use his Uzumaki chakra pool indirectly to bypass the tailed beast getting in the way of learning ninjutsu and genjutsu. Also since he's an Uzumaki teach him some sealing jutsu, which should be easier for him to use and thus a foundation for improving chakra control. Its honestly rather shocking Kakishi never thought to take advantage of Naruto's desire to have friends as being an asset he could use to talk no jutsu summoning animals into agreeing to work with him.
The point where he was like "Hey Sakura, you'd be great at genjutsu," and then promptly ignored her entirely, was the point where I wondered about how badly the women were being written. You'd also think he'd be certain she was better prepared so she didn't have to be defended on every mission, AND because her parents weren't ninja, so she had no foundation for ninjutsu. Even if he relied on Naruto's natural competitiveness and Sasuke's "genius," he allowed her to become a weight and struggle to keep up.
Some great points. Asuma was probably was probably the best of the original groups sensai’s. He was extremely close to them and the team was emotionally a wreck after he died.
Asuma definitely did the best job at raising human beings. Gai did the best job teaching ninja. Kurenai wasn't the best at either, but she did give her students the most balanced education and was better than either at the *other* thing. And Kakashi... well... Kakashi fucked up.
Asuma did a great job motivating and cultivating a great relationship between and among his students, but, let's be fair, Asuma and Kurenai didn't need to do shit for jutsu training for their students. Both of them had students who all came from established clans who passed down their techniques internally. It almost seems like the sensei's job isn't to be a mentor/master to pass down jutsu, but more like a captain to guide teamwork and help improve existing skills, like chakra control. If you think about all of the sensei's of genin teams, the only jutsus taught were Tenten's weapon summoning Justus, Lee's 8 gates and related techniques, Sasuke's Chidori, and Minato teaching Kakashi the rasengan, from Naruto and Shippuden, at least. The rest were either self developed, sometimes alongside or supported by senseis, like Kakashi's chidori and Naruto's rasenshuriken, or related to having masters teach or pick up techniques from their students, like the sanin with team 7 or Minato showing Jiraya how to do the rasengan. There really isn't that much jutsu tutelage outside of clans in Naruto. Though, hey, maybe you guys have more examples to prove me wrong. That's just my memory of it
Cut the crap. Asuma didn’t teach his squad squat on-panel. They learnt no jutsu from him whatsoever. They had good chemistry at best, but where did that get them? Until Kakashi stepped in, Team Asuma were on a suicide mission trying to avenge him. He left them nothing behind but some words of wisdom.
@@draethdarkstar *”Asuma definitely did the best job at raising human beings”* You mean the bare minimum? And I’d also accredit their parents for the way his three turned out. Outside of being Jinchuuriki & Uchiha, Naruto & Sasuke were orphans with expected social deficiencies. So Kakashi had more work to do. *”Gai did the best job teaching ninja”* Guy’s great but what exactly did he teach TenTen that I missed?. Hell what did Neji learn from him? *”And Kakashi…well… Kakashi fucked up”* Last time I checked, none of the other Konoha Sensei had a Sanin out for their students neck (literally). They were given enough time to adequately train their students without threat of losing them to a psychotic powerhouse at a moments notice. Kakashi was *forced* to hold off teaching his students collectively & divide his attention towards his most endangered student (Sasuke) who happened to have the Sharingan which was a valuable asset to Konoha’s military might. If that fell in the hands of someone like Orochimaru, forget Sasuke, the Land of Fire itself would have been at his mercy. He already took out two Kage without it. Imagine what he could have done carrying the weight of such power. Do these things even go through your head?
Honestly kakashi not being able to get Sasuke on the right path makes a lot of sense. He still hadn't been able to deal with his own emotional damage, how the hell would he feel comfortable or confident trying to tell someone else what to do
Yeah he was probably unintentionally the worst person to mentor Sasuke, who rather needed someone that would use more subtle psychological tricks, Not saying Kakashi's idea of humiliating his students an putting them in their place thru force is always bad, it might work on some people, but in Sasuke it only nurtures his unhealthy tendencies, and i doubt he can open up and trust people who basically use the same tactic Itachi did to motivate him
@@slvaltva1392 jariya never actually taught Naruto anything other than the rasengan and allowed him to sign the toad contract. In 3 years the only difference is that Naruto matured. That's a huge difference from Kakashi's 6 months that caught Naruto up to Sasuke.
I think I can forgive tenten's loss to temari. tamari was not only one of the strongest genin, she also hard counters tenten. Hiruzen commented that she had perfect form, and distance, so she clearly was trained to be really good at throwing weapons. Unfortunately that'll only get you so far in this world. I wish tenten had more development in shippuden, but you could substitute tenten for almost all of the side characters in the konoha 13 and its still accurate. She's not the only one who gets side lined.
Bro I remember that one filler episode where they're fighting like magnetic people in night and tenten pulls out the fucking tonfas! I was like "why hasn't this girl been on more episodes she's sick and like an actual real life ninja" But nope. Tenten and really a lit of the female cast but esspecially poor tenten was just forgotten about and used as a glorified backpack. She could have been like a weapon master or even make her own special weapon like the mist swords or something, anything lol
@@Crouton- I really like the idea of her making her own special weapons. The sage of 6 paths weapons are obviously powerful, but I dont feel they fit her. Kind of feels like she just happened to be the one to pick them up. If she made her own unique weapons, I think it would feel more earned.
@Skelemonyo there was that one filler thing with the gigantic bomb mace thing that she instantly mastered and would have been cool to see moving forward
@@SkelemonyoYa know what she needed? Something like that ninja scroll based weapon Boruto had in that tournament he gone disqualified from for using *ninja tools* because Naruto's a jerk for no good reason. That plus her regular weapons would've made her a beast despite her limited chakra.
temari was not only a sand ninja but was the daughter of the kazekage and sister to one of the most dangerous people around at the time: she was strong by necessity and tenten just wasn't going to cut it just by throwing weapons and hoping one hits. this is also why she technically beat shikamaru who was about as smart as she was strong and thus a much more even match. it's likely the main reason why they got married: brains and brawns.
Sakura becoming a Genjutsu Prodigy would’ve been hype, and it might have even led Sasuke to begrudgingly respect her at first. The fact that Itachi mainly uses Genjutsu in his fights might have led Sasuke to treat Sakura less harshly after Itachi’s death, and that would’ve done wonders for the rush-shipping Kishimoto tried to do with them.
@@arnur1237 Well yeah, obviously Sasuke became a psychopath and I honestly don’t believe that anyone should have just forgiven him for that. But Kishimoto obviously wanted Sasuke to come back to Konoha and marry Sakura. If Kishimoto wanted that, making Sakura a Genjutsu Specialist could’ve done wonders for the romance.
Kurenai, Asuma and Guy were always there for their students not just training wise but also there for them in a supportive way. Hell they would even shadow them on some missions just in case they were needed.
Kakashi never wanted to become a sensei. Plus he was very awkward socially and a loner. He was supposed to be the worst in the first place. But they grew on him and you can tell. To the point of not just being their sensei but a comrade in arms equal to them!
@@TRYCLOPS1 I know he's started to care for them in the future but I meant before the time skip when he became their sensei. my point is he should've payed more attention back then to more than just Sasuke (dual loner personalities lol) but it was his job as a sensei to learn to be better. He pushed Naruto on someone else and literally disregarded Sakura while he personally trained Sasuke, thankfully those two met Jaraiya and Tsunade who turned them into the amazing ninja they are hell even Sasuke went seek out Orochimaru after a while
The moment that really sticks out to me for him being a bad sensei is not dealing with Sasuke's feeling of being weak, as of course this resulted in Sasuke leaving due to needing more power (of course this goal changes) but you get the idea. Had Kakashi monitored Sasuke better and taught him about Obito's story, another Uchiha he knew, this could've had an impact on Sasuke's early motives imo.
Not necessary. Kakashi’s personal talk with Sasuke in the forest hit home. It had Sasuke pondering his life choices for several hours. Had the sound four not intervened, Kakashi may have changed him. Point is, he did his part. Also if he monitored him better people would just complain more about him neglecting Naruto & Sakura.
The reason Kakashi spent so much time with Sasuke was because he was monitoring him. The only person he failed outright was Sakura. Naruto he knew had plenty of power, and was trying to drill into him discipline, which was basically impossible for anyone besides Jyriah and we saw what that entailed.
@@rrteppo They fail to realize that if Kakashi wasn’t safeguarding Sasuke, he’d have been abducted in seconds and Naruto & Sakura wouldn’t have forgiven him for it. Orochimaru & Kabuto tried to abduct him on individual occasions and both failed due to Kakashi’s protection. It took the sound four waiting for Kakashi to disappear for them to finally win Sasuke over. I wouldn’t say he failed Sakura. It’s because of his dark Genjutsu during the bell test that she even bothered to learn how to repel Genjutsu (Chapter 116, page 17). He definitely could have taught her more but as you understand circumstances were obviously not in his favor. Knowing Orochimaru’s ambitions, he had to look out for Sasuke.
Kakashi's biggest mistake with Sasuke is that he never shared his history with him. Kakashi saw himself in Sasuke, but Sasuke didn't have the knowledge to see that parallel. He didn't know how or why Kakashi had a Sharingan, only that it pissed him off that he did. He didn't know Kakashi lost his team or how that happened. He didn't know that Kakashi was forced to kill his best friends. He didn't know Kakashi lost his family (and the prominence of his family name) or that it was instigated by the village. He didn't know that Kakashi spent nearly decade living in the darkest aspects of the ninja world. All he saw was a guy who kept his distance, was preachy, and that seemed like he stole an eye from one of Sasuke's family members.
Mentioning that Kakashi overlooking Sasuke's feeling of being weak is rich considering he completely ignored the entire team's insecurities. Naruto insecurity regarding his ignorance on how to control and or communicate with Kurama. Sakura's insecurity regarding her utility to her team. Lastly, Sasuke's insecurity regarding his lack of growth towards his goal to surpass and defeat Itachi. Kakashi was so careless as a teacher, he should have remained an anbu captain.
Funniest part is that Sasuke is the only student that Kakashi focused on because of their similarities and arguably played the smallest role in his recovery. Smaller than even the brother who murdered his entire family.
Interesting you say that when Sasuke would have been rotting in a prison cell right now if not for Kakashi who pardoned him for that “recovery” you speak of to blossom. He definitely played a massive part. And he didn’t focus on Sasuke primarily cause of their similarities. There’s that but it was also Kakashi going by orders handed to him by his senior Jiraiya advising him to give Sasuke Sharingan training & leave Naruto’s training to him (Chapter 143, page 8). People act like this chapter & page number don’t exist when the whole point of its existence is for that not to be the case.
@@EternalBrightness3 bro i seen u alot in the threads defending kakashi but at the end of the day he wasn't much help on sasukes journey, bro if sasuke listened to him and forgot about revenge itachi would eventually kill him without a doubt
I remember that one post-credit segment where Kakashi was talking about the different sensei of the village and started getting lonely after realizing that all his students basically replaced him with someone else
Also the fact that Kakashi’s father was shunned by the shinobi at least, to the point he killed himself while Kakashi was young; Kakashi probably didn’t know how to be a good sensei, because on top of his father, the person that should teach you much about life, his own sensei died, so monkey didn’t see, and therefore monkey can’t do.
The best thing about Kakashi's peers when it comes to their mentor-ships in part 1 is that all of their students all got clear development in some way, yet the audience sees very little of it besides a select few instances, mostly during the chunin exam fights. Yet, it's still rather believable and safe to assume that most of their development came from their teachers. Meanwhile team 7 is the team the audience spends the most time with and yet they feel like they receive the least amount of development from their teacher. They do develop, of course, but most of that development often feels like stuff they came up with on their own or shit they made up on the fly as oppose to any really, considerable input from their teacher. The prelim fight arc in particular is always interesting to me for this reason. Every other teacher during those fights usually displays very intimate knowledge about their student's strengths and weaknesses during their respective fights, at least everyone except for Kakashi, who, during those fights often acts as in info dump, knowing more about ANOTHER student's techniques than his own students.
The only thing he knows about his students 1 . Sasuke is a genius with all seeing eyes 2. Naruto has great chakra reserve and nine tails but stupid 3. Sakura has some good chakra control but who cares😂😂
It's heartbreaking how everyone was too traumatized by Minatos death to help raise naruto properly, i mean jiraya couldnt even bring himself to look at naruto until he was certain he was going to be assassinated
I basically borrowed Hiruzen's story with an orphaned PC backstory. Much more tenuous connection so his actions felt more forgivable but it was still brutal for the kid.
This is my question hearings and had to have known that Naruto is going to catch s*** for being a jinchuriki why not give him some sort of oi don't know foster parents to make sure that the villages f****** with him make it a respectable clan in the village
@@felixlara2945 danzo should´ve been executed ages ago. his actions created at least as many enemies as they put down. also the root were only loyal to himself, not the village... that´s essentially a rebellion
That is a common talking point in any fanfiction for a good reason, half the time Hiruzen is just portrayed as being in league with Danzo due to it. It makes no sense why Hiruzen just stood by and let it all happen honestly, it's a massive plothole.
imo sakura would've faired better if she was under might guy. take her exceptional chakra control from an early age along with advanced taijutsu training from guy and maybe even learning the gates from him, then compound that with tsunade's training on healing and chakra enhanced strength and she could've turned out deadly. learning some basic to intermediate genjutsu's wouldn't hurt too.
Guy was by far worst sensei then kakashi He put all of his effort into one student ignored the other 2 Leading one of them to be the most useless character in the verse And the other one is the only student that f****** died lol That's a hard failure as a teacher
@@seanhutt4621 for most of the series team guy was the strongest groups of all the konoha chunin. Lee and neji were both monsters and ten ten was the perfect balance to support from a distance while neji and Lee kick ass. Neji was a genius and if not forgotten he'd probably had turned out stronger then Sasuke
I think the difference is that Kakashi might have known about the order Itachi had to take out the Uchiha so he didn’t want Sasuke looking for revenge on someone he felt wasn’t truly responsible for what happened and who was just following orders Meanwhile with the Asuma scenario Kakashi had know Asuma most his life plus Hidan unlike Itachi was just plain insane and evil so the revenge there is justified
I hate the "Revenge is bad trope" so much. Mostly cause it's used when the person wronged has very good reason to get revenge. Sasuke had every right to want to kill Itachi but Kakashi had the nerve to tell him that revenge wasn't worth it.
The difference is Kakashi knew Shikamaru could solo hidan, he did not think Sauske could ever beat itachi and he was destroying himself trying to get there, while shikamaru just needed the correct battle plan
See I feel like the reason is because Sasuke had left the village and they KNEW Asuma's team was leaving permission be dammed that they just acquiesced to them second Sasuke wasn't just getting vengeance he was basically defecting to the guy who basically killed the 3rd Hokage and tried to destroy the village
What's even worse was after the Sasuke vs. Naruto's rooftop fight. He questions why would Jiraiya teach Naruto such a dangerous jutsu, the Rasengan. Just the audacity, when he taught Sasuke chidori, the guy who wanted power for revenged. Meanwhile, Naruto might be a knucklehead, but his morals was in the right. He want to be stronger to be respected by everyone in the village, and to keep up with strength level. So, he has no right to question Jiraiya that time. He taught someone with a radical intention, a powerful jutsu.
What's worse is that Chidori is literally a knockoff Rasengan, meaning that Kakashi was criticizing Jiraiya for teaching Naruto the non-failed version of the very same Jutsu that Kakashi himself taught Sasuke.
Would never forget that hospital scene, Kakashi had the balls to tell Jiraiya why did he teach such a dangerous technique has the rasengan to Naruto 😂😂😂
Not to mention that Kakashi had taught Sasuke his own incomplete version of the attack. Kakashi just came off as someone who only cared to train Sasuke.
@@sayiantom Personally, I think he focused on Sasuke, because of his trauma over losing Obito. As Obito's only living family (who wasn't a traitor), Sasuke was the last real reminder of Obito, and Kakashi didn't want to lose that. Which is all the more ironic, because Naruto was closer in personality to Obito, was the only child of his mentor, and honestly needed more help. And yet, Kakashi couldn't do anything to help until long after the time-skip.
@@finris1 yeah I've seen fanfiction which goes into that, and they make sense to me. One also had the characters get it into his head that he was pandering to a mini-him instead of a mini-Obito as it went into Sasuke being a prodigy like he was, and Obito being a dead-last like Naruto was. It broke him in the story when they succeeded, with him giving all of his scrolls, including his dog summons, to Naruto and telling Sasuke off when he tried to take them from Naruto. I think the story was a ground hog day deal, and was called 'Chunin Exams', might be missing something in the title
One slight disagreement Nick I truly believe when Kakashi said”everyone important is dead”he actually did get breakthrough to Sasuke the issue was that right after that speech the sound four showed up and beat the piss out of him to sway him back
Yeah, that was Kakashi's big moment, but he just wasn't ready for it. Maybe he planned to talk to Sasuke about it later, but he had Sasuke's undivided attention after he said that. It seemed like he just really didn't know what to say after that. Or how to get the words out. Heck, if he had just said, "How do you think I got this eye?" After that, Sasuke would've been attached to Kakashi like a clingy girlfriend who just discovered super glue, lol. Would've also been a great chance to do the Team Minato flashback, Sasuke could've been properly kidnapped, and then intoxicated by the power released from curse mark after he got out of the box that he only left because he was literally drunk on power/hypnotized by it. So it would be less of Kakashi's failure and more of Orochimaru's cunning. Then, even after coming out of the trance, Sasuke would be too tempted by the power-ups and techniques that Orochimaru already started teaching him and he'd have already been a rogue ninja because he attacked Naruto while power-drunk/hypnotized, and like how Kakashi brought Naruto away after the battle, Sasuke could walked just a few feet away doubting himself and what he did and faint before Orochimaru himself picked up Sasuke before Kakashi arrived, or at the same time, they stared each other down before Orochimaru disappears with Sasuke and Kakashi can't pursue because he has to save Naruto. Just some slight differences that I think would've gone a long way for Kakashi's character, and maybe even Sasuke's a bit
To add to this, Sasuke hesitated when Sakura said she'd help him get revenge if it helped him stay in the village. He didn't think what he was doing was the right path, it was just the only path he could envision for himself. He didn't want Sakura or any of his friends to follow him into that darkness.
@Tyr Something we could have had is Kakashi going to show Sasuke the tomb of Obito, Rin and his Father and while off-screen, having explained. Like this, for example, cut back to Kakashi and Sasuke in front of the monument with the name of the shinobi that died for the leaf, to make it even clearer that yeah, Kakashi's loved one(s) died FOR the leaf. It may even bring the whole, Sasuke wondering what a village truly is, from much longer roots, upon seeing the personnal cost it takes, all the lives that died. Plus, I doubt Obito was the only Uchiha whose name was wrote there, so bonus point, have Sasuke either search how those had died, since they are distant relatives, poking a small curiosity for the lives of distant cousins, or just... have a scene where Sasuke sees Obito's name and learns from Kakashi they were teammates. Because, the moent you hear "Kakashi was on the same team as a now dead member of the Uchiha" you can click. That the sharigan, is the eye of his dead friend. A friend he may feel he failed to save. Not even showing us flasbacks, just a subtext implication. Because, Sasuke is no idiot, he would likely piece this together.
I blame the 3rd Hokage for assigning Kakashi this team knowing damn well he couldn't just fail them since it's his dead best friend's cousin and his dead teacher's son. He needed therapy ages ago but he got assigned to train his deceased loved ones' family members into child soldiers
U making it sound worse than it acc is. Naruto has no resemblance to Minato apart from his hair and eyes, and Sasuke's also nothing like Obito apart from sharing a clan. And who'd care about child soldiers in this show when everyone is one.
Bro Kakashi was the perfect match for them! Are you kidding me? Only sharingan user. Highest skilled junnin as well in the entire village. Also, only one who would focus on the most important thing they needed to learn: work as a team! Also he was the only surviving student of the 4th, so knew the deal. More than a sensei, it was really a mission to watch over the jinchuriki and the last uchiha. Sakura was probably put in there because of her good grades on paper and nothing else… or maybe it showed the 3rd that she was medical ninja material. Fact is he knew more than anyone and made the best decision as the 4 of them working together helped save the world in the end. It would’ve never been possible without the 4 working together as a team, ironically. So you gotta give more credit to the 4th. Just because he lost his life to Orochimaru… due to the fact he summon Hashirama and The second hokages??? Most unfair fight ever tho. But yea guy did the best he could with options available. But you gotta see it from a different point of view outside the box.
Kakashi definitely had hardcore nepotism for Sasuke even to Naruto and Sakuras detriment. He taught Sasuke, the biggest red flag in his team, the Chidori to use against Itachi but was furious that Jiraia taught Naruto the Rasengan. Both are capable of an insta-kill if used properly but Naruto, a jokester, was apparently more dangerous than the guy constantly brooding about his revenge.
What makes it worse was that Naruto deserved that jutsu since his father created it, and unlike sasuke, had a group of s-rank missing ninja after him and needed a trump card due to the Kyuubi chakra being unreliable.
I’ve been saying this for ages. I adore Kakashi but I agree he was an absolute disaster of a sensei . When ever I’m asked I chose Gai to be my sensei at least he’d train me even if he focused on Lee. He also treats his team like actual children.
Kakashi has an entire backlog of jutsu to teach his students but does absolutely nothing lol. I blame Sakura being useless entirely on him. Kakashi should be a cheat code. Instead Guy sensei is the cheat code
I think Kureinai was the best. She was given the most diverse team and none of them were good at Genjutsu. Yet she basically raised Hinata like a child and saw all of them basically as her kids. We see multiple flashback of her simply spending quality time with them, taking them out for drinks and loving them. Something we never saw Kakashi do, yet she did it constantly. Shino never lost a battle until he fought Super Sage Mode Mitsuki and even then he said he didn't go all out not to kill Mitsuki. Shino became an Academy Teacher. Kiba is basically a super star in the Village. Still going on Jonin missions, has the biggest Dog Center and own brand of food and toys. She turned Hinata from somebody who was scared to talk to someone who jumped in front of Pain, and later even went against Momoshiki and Kinshiki to save Naruto.
I always felt like Kakashi could've been a better sensei to Team 7; but something I always though was ironic about the Naruto series, was that it seemed that almost every main plot focused sensei's favorite student ended up betraying them. Hiruzen/Orochimaru, Jiraiya/Nagato, Minato/Obito, and Kakashi/Sasuke. Not sure why Kishimoto wrote them like that, just thought it was ironic that he wrote so many senseis having their favorite student betray them.
"Sometimes the best way to help yourself is to help someone else" fits really well here... or at least would have if Kakashi actually did something with those kids xD
Team 7 would be OP or at least kinda close to it. Even if we take away Shadow Clone Training because that came way later, Naruto IS a fast learner with the right motivation. Sakura also just needs the right motivation and Sasuke is a nutjob when it comes to training anyway.
I think Kakashi had every ounce of potential to be the best sensei Team 7 could've hoped for. All 3 members needed a serious reality check about themselves and their goals as ninja, something a less myopic sensei would've taken action on. Naruto formed his nindo based on something he learned from an enemy; do you mean to tell me that Kakashi, with all the loss in his life, couldn't impart the importance of protecting those you hold dear? Sasuke needed to realize that revenge would be hollow if he had nothing to go home to after. His only goal was Itachi, yeah I know he SAID he wanted to revive his clan; but given his behavior, how likely was it that the Uchiha clan under him would end up any better than they were before? Sakura... did the girl have an identity beyond a foul temper, book smarts, and being a fangirl? Even if Kakashi took a greater interest in her skills, would she get invested in those teachings or would she hold herself back to avoid getting better at something than Sasuke, thus making him hate her or something? Fix a lot of those issues and you give them much better chances for survival Sasuke needed mental help, and to learn more versatile tactics than a technique that all but drains him dry. Kakashi not teaching him something from every element once the boy's Sharingan awoke is practically a crime! Naruto learned a high rank forbidden jutsu in a night before becoming a genin; and everyone still treats him like he's braindead. How hard would it have been for Kakashi to say "Y'know Naruto, whatever your clones learn, you'll learn when they pop"? That wouldn't solve all of Naruto's problems, but it would give the kid a way to start filling gaps in his knowledge base while otherwise learning from his supposed sensei! That no one told him that until Shippuden is freaking ludicrous! I can only put it down to one of these reasons why Kakashi failed as a teacher:1) The emotional trauma mentioned in the video left him unable to really impart the kind of teaching his students needed. 2) He was so wrapped up in the past that he expected his student to react as he and his team would have in the same situation, totally forgetting that his students come from very different circumstances. 3) Pure, disgusting, laziness and apathy. That or a kind of selective blindness to the faults in his teaching methods.
Absolutely beautiful analysis on kakashis character, I Love his character but aa a sensai he was horrible, he gave both sasuke the best and worst treatment, He didn't teach sasuke other jutsus especially knowing sasuke can copy jutsus like him, sasuke literally copied lee for example, he only taught sasuke a killer technique but then yelled at sasuke for using his counter to narutos rasangen, neglected naruto completely and looked at him as a baby brain even tho in the haku arc he was impressed by the ninetails, and when i say he neglected naruto times that by 109 for sakura, something off topic is why he read so much doujins but didn't get a girlfriend, he really let his past anchor him so hard that he neglected everyone and was hypocritical, he says choosing a mission over friends makes u scum yet he chooses training over his students feelings, he doesn't even talk to sasuke about his introduction in the literal third episode, lets sasuke and naruto live alone in misery even tho hes aware of it, i already ranted about his horrible treatment to sasukes emotional feelings in another thread but u also covered it perfectly in a summary, and he acted like sakura wasn't there, what a wasted character, sasuke had too much on his mind to ask kakashi about jutsu variety he focused on taijutsu, basic techniques, ninja tool usage as we saw multiple times and he taught himself all that fancy wired kunai stuff, all kakashi taught him was wall run and chidori, he taught him a technique that uses so much chakra but this samw guy told sasuke to watchout for the curse mark consuming chakra, same technique that is meant for killing and he taught that to a kid with high hatred for revenge, Not more to need to say regarding kakashis horrible treatment to sasuke, naruto was out of the picture and luckily found jiraya, and jiraya was useless in the timeskip but specifically in part 1 he was amazing, tsunade was blunt in her neglect and also attitude towards naruto while kakashi wasn't, thats why it seems like kakashi cares, and again he quite literally acted like sakura didn't exist, im no fan of sakura, especially Shippuden, but in part 1 i understood where she was coming from, not close with her parents, she was good with chakra control and studied, idk why she was rude to naruto that was dumb although i will say naruto acted like a very annoying idiot, sakura seemed like the type to follow the crowd and I wont blame sasuke for it but he never really told her to ease about it although he did say shutup your annoying twice, it was actually kakashis job to make them bond, look at might guys team for example or asumas.. literally all the slice of life scenes of team 7 is filler, my guy couldn't even offer to show them his face without the mask in the non filler he hid away from everybody, he was too prideful to talk to sasuke about the sharingan because clearly sasuke adjusted to it better..Kakashi tried killing zabaza but accidentally killed haku, haku showing they were a tool and not a person, kakashi sees this and then still treats his students the same way zabaza treated haku, how messed up is that, especially seeing narutos passionate speech, or sasukws attempted suicide to save Naruto, or Sakura crying for sasuke, kakashi was more sad for haku than his own team, and the final panel in part 1 when kakashi picks narutos fainted body in the final valley, while it looks hard and is super epic and beautiful, kakashi only blames Himself for being too late but not that its all his fault to begin with, the fact yamato is with team 7 at the beginning SHOWS kakashi does not give a damn, but the topic is so subtle in the show its so hard to reflect and be like was kalashi bad? cuz the show never talks about that and its actually a very interesting topic, makes kakashi more dislikable but also makes him more interesting, issue in shippuden is kakashi never really has dialogue about it, imagine one day him feeling sorry for himself or team 7 and saying the mistakes to sakura and naruto and how hes sorry he failed them, how he left naruto and sasuke to live alone, let sakura crush on sasuke and neglect naruto even tho thats what happened to obito, not bond with sasuke about the trauma or feelings and ignore narutos whole history of being outcasted, kakashi was pit up with two of the most tragic characters in the academy and treated them like they were surface level like kiba, like they were normal when they weren't, and he just left Sakura in the dust, now sasukes character writing in shippuden especially after tobi tells him the truth, is another topic, and narutos writing in shippuden as well even sakura, but speaking of kakashi his positive qualities outshine the negative i still love the death he had in the pain arc even tho i wanted him to win, his hair without the headband is beautiful and he's also a great ninja, and to see him die for choji was beautiful, at that moment i forgive him for his sins, but then he gets a cheesy revive, and is in the war arc and kage summit and shows how much he doesn't care about sasuke and also gets obitos eyes and blue susano and i hated everything about it, and the fact he smiled when team 7 got back together like he deserved to see it, when all he wanted to do was kill sasuke and neglect Sakura and naruto was crazy... I always write long comments about topics like these, damn
I love Kakashi but I have always thought, that if I acted like Sakura in front of any of my teachers, they would've scolded the shit out of me and have increased my homework .. why did he never do that ?
Hiruzen forced Kakashi into teaching to regain his humanity. Protecting Naruto could help him overcome failing to protect Kushina and Minato. I imagine Hiruzen thought that Kakashi having a Sharingan would benefit both Sasuke and Kakashi for having lost their families. In Kakashi's defense, aside from her parents, Naruto is pretty much the only one who hasn't abandoned Sakura at some point. Ino briefly abandoned her when they were children, and even Naruto called her out on her lie.
That scene of Kakashi talking to Sasuke while the was tied up in the tree never sat right with me. All other sensei were like parental figures and highly respected by the kids, but Kakashi was never able to connect with any of the kids in his team. He lost everyone, I know but so did Sasuke and Naruto and still Kakashi wasn't capable to relate to their pain. And Sakura wasn't even in his radar.
He is the best character but has flaws himself, He is emotionally unavailable. He never married nor had any kids... He was this prodigy in such a young age and sasuke was the only one he was interested in to train... but after all that trauma he just couldn't emotionally connect with anyone on a deeper level. I mean I am on the 95th episode so what do I know 😅
I'm currently watching Naruto(at ep 16) and I've kind of noticed this already with the fact that he just left Sakura to do completely nothing while Sasuke and Naruto train. He himself states that Sasuke and Naruto have some amazing potential and completely ignores Sakura, and when she had an opportunity to learn more he just lays back and keeps paying attention to the students that intrests him. I'm still keeping in mind that I've only watched a tiny portion of the series but yeah.(also is Sakura gonna do anything? She's stood still for the past 16 episodes)
Not gonna lie Guy did teach TenTen more than Kakashi taught Sakura. She might’ve not put up with Guy and Lee shenanigans she did learn the “better than yesterday “mantra . I still use that phrase to this very day.
I would also like to add that Sakura had an affinity for earth style jutsu, and Kakashi had a least two know earth style Justu’s (Head hunter and earth wall) during part 1 he could’ve taught her
This video is an eye opener lol. Never even thought of it this way. With that in mind, do you think you could do a video restructuring all of the teams? Like taking the Konoha 13 and assigning them to different teachers that would make them much stronger and better as a 3 man team
Man you are spitting nothing but facts. I’ve said many times that if Kakashi actually told Sasuke his life story and the lessons he has learned from his experiences, I really feel like he would have been able to get through to Sasuke. This includes how he got his sharingan and what it symbolises for him, the fact that he actually worked alongside Itachi in the anbu just to show that he has a personal investment in Sasuke’s wellbeing etc. There is so much Sasuke wouldn’t know about his clan so even hearing stories about other members would solidify their relationship as sensei and student. Even if he can’t stop Sasuke from pursuing Itachi, he should have at least been able to keep him in the village (yes I know that the curse mark made Sasuke more subservient to the will of Orochimaru, but it’s unclear how much of an impact that really had given that Kakashi had partially sealed it away. I think it’s pretty clear that meeting Itachi again was the main reason he sought Orochimaru out after seeing the power disparity. Likewise with Naruto, I really think Naruto would have benefitted from knowing Kakashi’s life story, including the fact that his sensei, the 4th Hokage, is Naruto’s father. Re-assure Naruto that he is capable of achieving his dream if he remembers what’s important, and then teaches him a variety of useful jutsu including changes in chakra nature; him not knowing that until shippuden is criminal. It’s also kinda wild that Kakashi knew the rasengan the whole time and never used it, nor thought it would be a good jutsu to teach, yes it’s pretty advanced, but there’s no harm in demonstrating it to give Naruto something to focus towards. And finally Sakura. Teach her ANYTHING. Any kind of offensive jutsu would be nice. Maybe tell her details about Naruto and Sasuke to help her understanfing the burdens they hold. She came from a non-shinobi, 2 parent household, and it clearly made her incapable of understanding the cutthroat nature of the world she was stepping into. Just do way more to guide her growth as a kunoichi. In terms of combat, he is probably the most consistently impressive jonin across naruto. But as a sensei, bottom tier.
I love how this lowkey served as a “Why Guy is the BEST Sensei in Naruto” video as well lmao. I still roll my eyes at the scene where Guy suggested that Squad 7 wait a year before promoting to Chunin (like his squad did), only for Kakashi to cheekily imply that Guy was just too big a coward to send them into the exams right after graduation 😒. Team Guy should’ve served as a great example for what Team Kakashi had yet to become: a “talentless” maverick, traumatized genius, and no-name kunoichi putting their differences and lack of shared experienced aside in order to become greater than the sum of their parts. That said, Team Guy also could’ve worked as a cautionary tale for Kakashi. What happens when you encourage your passionate student to sacrifice his own body to prove a point (even if it’s profound)? What happens when you don’t address the trauma of your student because “he’s a genius so he’ll figure it out eventually”? What happens when you give your kunoichi a specialty but leave her unable to stand on relatively equal footing w/her teammates? It wouldn’t even be a means of slandering Guy and his teaching methods, but rather to force Kakashi to look at himself and genuinely ask, “What will I teach these kids, and will I take responsibility for the consequences?” Thank you for making this video cuz I’ve been thinking the same way about this man for over a decade 🤣.
I agree he wasn't the best teacher, but watch the land of waves arc and you can see how important he was for Naruto's emotional development as a person and Ninja
Still doesn't change the fact that he abandoned his pupil in a world where it was imperious for ninja kids to know jutsus in order to defend themselves.
The genin power levels where completely all over the place as one would expect. It's a pretty low bar. For example Gaara or Rock Lee could have easily taken on the weaker 90% coming at them together alone.
It's been pointed out many times in fanfiction that Kakashi didn't have the typical journey to his current rank and that he might not know how exactly to train anyone who isn't already an established Ninja. He doesn't know what the academy teaches exactly and doesn't know if academy students are made aware of any resources that may be available to them. Also, a single line from Kakashi could have jumpstarted Naruto's shadow-clone training before shippuden. That line being "Everything your shadow clones learn, you learn as well" (we, as the audience know why this popped up when it did. Because Kishimoto needed a way to stop the "The show should be renamed Sasuke for how much focus he gets" meme)
What makes this a thousand times worse is kakashi knew who Naruto's father was he knew that he was the son of the fourth hokage and he still treated him like the redheaded stepchild
Kakashi was incredibly close to Minato so close that not only could he have been a mentor to Naruto but a older brother figure, instead he had little to no interaction until he became his pupil only by force of Hiruzen and Guy by proxy, would’ve given them both a family and someone to learn and bounce of emotionally
This is very similar to how in dragon ball, Goku knows spirit bomb, and kaioken and never bothers to teach anyone else these techniques. All those abilities he did know could help the z fighters so much, but ended up leaving them in the dust. Hell, even just the kaioken for Gohan with potential unleashed or his beast mode would of been amazing. Spirit bomb would of been amazing to have, Vegeta's new techniques would help the other z fights so much more. It's a shame.
@@IdaraFeka King Kai didn’t teach any of them the Kaioken, mainly the others outside of Piccolo were probably too weak and it would have been broken on Piccolo
Fairly late, but I think the issue was that kakashi was always a loner and just expected them to improve on their own. He lacked the social skills, team work. Understanding of development that the other team leaders gained through their normal every day lives by understand their teams weaknesses and strengths. I feel like kishimoto was just unaware of how to show the education so it got off screened.
Idk if it's right to blame Kakashi for Sasuke leaving the village. I think Kakashi was trying to help Sasuke with his own experiences in mind, and never in Kakashi's mind did he ever think to leave the Leaf Village. I think Kakashi may have felt that was an extreme that Sasuke wouldn't take. The other thing that isn't considered in this video is that after Orochimaru's invasion and the death of Hiruzen, the village was short on elite ninja staff, so Kakashi was going on other missions on behalf of the village at this time on top of his duties as a sensei, and as the strongest non-Anbu Jonin in the village with a specialty in tracking, Kakashi was probably sent on several A-class or S-class missions by himself. Now, Sakura's state going into the Chunin exams was 100% Kakashi's fault.
Yes, I also don't think Kakashi should be blamed for Sasuke leaving the village. Itachi would do anything like literally anything to grow Sasuke's Sharingan. And, that much hatred would eventually let Sasuke find Orochimaru for power. There was nothing Kakashi could've done here unless he could directly make Sasuke stronger than Itachi which was impossible.
@@Redirectingtosomeonewhocares That depends on if we consider the Sannin as Jonin or not. The Sannin are not kages (well until Tsunade becomes hokage), but if the Sannin count as elite Jonin of the leaf, Jiraya could definitely defeat Kakashi. Otherwise, yes Kakashi is probably the strongest Jonin in the world at that point.
@@Mixman86Page see, this is something that has always bothered me. Kakashi was jonin at age 12. Then he joined anbu. Kakashi IS just as powerful off screen as the sannin. His father was the same. Yet onscreen kishimoto nerfs him to make others look good. Kakashi should not have lost to Itachi. He was never weaker than him. Zabuza fought a full jinjuriki and lived plus he escaped all the loyal ninja going after him. Zabuza was extremely powerful. Zabuza didn't have a partner when he attacked Yagura. Kakashi was able to stand up against him. The Akatsuki (including Itachi) all have pairs to go after the jinjuriki. And I'm supposed to believe that Itachi is more powerful than Kakashi? Give me a break.
When they all introduced themselves and sasuke said his only dream was to kill Itachi and Kakashi didn't talk to him about it I knew it was over. I also think Kakashi gave sasuke that lecture at the worst time ever because sasuke had just seen Itachi again and had to watch his clan die again and Sasuke realized Itachi was only there for Naruto and add all that to him seeing Naruto had gotten stronger and him feeling like he wasn't getting stronger Kakashi giving him that lecture couldn't have come at a worst time. Even if the Sound 4 didn't attack I don't think the lecture wasn't gonna change the mindset that Sasuke had for like the last 6 years I think killing itachi was just one of those things that Sasuke had to do.
I agree fully, sasukes writing objectivly showed that he was justified and also kakashi was a horrible sensei, and almost person, the neglect he gave sasuke was insane, i think the positive attributes about him like his design, voice, ninja skill, and laid back personality is why hes likable, but yet he has 0 emotional intelligence, has 0 hobbies and is addicted to doujin novels but doesn't have the balls to ask out a woman possibly, never self reflected and couldn't process the idea that his friends dying was not his fault, if he couldn't even use strength to help himself he shoulda atleast used whatever strength he had left on them but he didn't, and he showed 0 care for any of them, even did nothing knowing naruto and sasuke both live alone in seperate houses..only people there for sasuke were the sound 4, even if they thought orochimaru might absorb him, or sakura, but naruto and kakashi were selfish, i truly believe kakashi did not care about sasuke but just did his job to have his student win the chunin exams maybe even to show off vs guy, but he didn't care about sasuke at all or any of the team 7 members
Instead of giving that lecture, he should have told Sasuke that it's okay to feel that way , it's okay to kill an enemy , but getting stronger way too fast can harm him and he needs something else to look forward to after the revenge . Kids don't like to hear "you're 100% wrong " , but " your feelings are valid and natural" works better .
I agree he's a bad teacher, but there's an in-universe reason. Team 7 was literally his first team of Genin, he had no experience actually teaching prior. Though he's also the person who failed every prior team, so he had plenty of chances to get experience prior but turned them down at every chance...
That is kinda true but i don't think you need any extra experience, if you have a 3 men squad then i think it's pretty clear you should teach each of them at least something.
That's why Gai is the goat, also he offered emotional talk to his students too, like how when Neji lost it and attacked Hinata with intent to kill back in the Chunin Exam? Gai jumped in, stopped him, told him Neji promised not to let this head branch thing get to his head. He was so involved. Physically & emotionally. Kakashi? Eh...
I completely agree with your arguments. And it did help that after Garaa's rescue mission, Yamato was the new sensei, who really did a great job directing Naruto, Sakura and even Sai's actions. Even In Boruto he is still been left forgotten.
This reminds me of a saying along the lines of a great player isn't always a great coach. I really enjoy the spotlight this video put on Asuma though, that he not only instilled lessons to make his students better shinobi, but lessons to make them better people.
One thing you didn't mention (or I missed it) is the seal that Ororchimaru placed on Sasuke during the Chunin exam. Isn't it supposed to be a sort of slow brain-washing technique ? It's also the only technique that beat Talk no Jutsu... There is no way Kakashi could beat that
Yeah, I think having Kakashi give his team Minato flashback before Sasuke gets taken by the sound ninjas and then having it be a real kidnapping and Sasuke going literally power drunk from the release of power from the curse mark after being in the box for the chase and that causing his fight with Naruto. Also, Sasuke fainting after starting to walk away, knowing that his battle with Naruto made him a rogue ninja, and then Orochimaru taking him away. But staying long enough for Kakashi to see Orochimaru but deciding he had to save Naruto and wait to get Sasuke for later would've been far more favorable for Kakashi's (and Sasuke's) development, and made Orochimaru feel just that much more evil and menacing.
I always hated the fact we never got to see kakashi actually get to train and grow with team seven and you can argue he wasn’t ready to lead team seven because he literally failed everyone before so he doesn’t know how to lead a team
exactly! it makes me wonder if his bell test is actually an outlier and if other genin senseis actually took the time to train new genin before deciding if they should be sent back to the academy or not. like if any of the other teams had taken the bell test as their intro to being a genin, most of them would've failed too (i think shikamaru would've at least seen through it and gotten choji and ino involved somehow)
There’s an argument that Kakashi’s humility and willingness to let his students learn from the various masters they met along their lives makes him a great teacher, he set the 3 of them down the right path and when he saw that he would only hold them back he let them go accomplish great things It’s not an argument I would make but it’s there
I forget did he play a role in setting them up with the sannin (sans orochimaru)? Because if so bonus points, iirc it wasn't even his idea to be a teacher so Kakashi knowing his shortcomings and making connections is of value
@@DandDgamer He didn't really help with that. He originally pawned Naruto off on Ebisu then ran into Jiraiya while under Ebisu's tutelage. Sakura went to Tsunade of her own accord.
@@adamschaenzer6941 Ebisu was reputated to be a great teacher in the Leaf. Jiraiya and Kakashi had already discussed letting Jiraiya took over Naruto's education before Naruto "accidentally" meeting him, and Tsunade said that Kakashi had praised Sakura'skills to her prior to Sakura asking Tsunade to be her mentor (it was why Tsunade agreed to take Sakura as an apprentice).
I don’t think Sasuke going to a Orochimaru is “the right path”. And he didn’t send them to those teachers. Jaraiya approached Naruto, and Sakura went to Tsunade. Plus, it’s not like he taught them a bunch of things, and then sent them on their way. You can’t be a teacher, not put any effort into teaching, refer the students to other people, and then call yourself a good teacher. That’s ridiculous.
Great analysis over all, I just have a few objections. First, the tree climbing exercise allowed Sakura to hold her own against Ino, by making her use chakra to boost her speed in combination with her clones. It is also a great exercise to teach Naruto as he struggles with the basics. When it comes to Naruto, he correctly identified that his biggest source of motivation was his rivalry with Sasuke and used it several times to fuel Naruto's growth to great effect. Kakashi did not simply teach Sasuke the chidori because of favoritism. He correctly identified that Sasuke would be drawn to the power of the curse mark and that he needed to teach him something big to convince him to rely only on his own strength. Also, his speech to Sasuke seemed fairly effective and letting him on his own to reflect on it was the correct strategy, he was just unfortunate that the sound 4 screwed everything up. The comparison to Guy's team is unfair. Neji was not convinced by Guy, but mostly by a combination of Naruto and his father's letter. Sure, Guy taught more to his team than Kakashi did, but he had a full year of relative quiet with normal missions to teach them in ideal circumstances. Kakashi had almost no time before the chunin exam, and he spent a lot of that time recovering in bed. After the exam and the attack on the village, he was on important missions all the time. Then, his pupils just left, so it's not like he had a lot of time to teach them. Basically, he sure could have done a much better job, but there are a few attenuating factors
Im not here to respond to the other info u put down but specifically the speech, kakashi was 100% wrong in what he did only good thing was his original intention, lets dissect He scolded Sasuke for using a jutsu of killing intent yet naruto did the same and kakashi said nothing, He said forget about revenge which is actually a really brain dead and ignorant statement, in general but especially someone damaged and justified like sasuke, makes everything all that worse, then didn't really relate to sasuke all he said is he lost people, doesn't make things better, sasuke didn't just lose people its how he lost them, to his brother, his brother thats still alive and tortured sasuke a second time, sasuke saw itachi not just as someone he needs to get revenge on but also as a threat, clearly the leaf are usleess, Sasuke probably expected itachi to come back for round 3, then the curse mark thats just hindering sasukes abilities, kakashis only idea was seal and restrain it which is pointless, ankos a trash ninja with a restrained curse mark that hinders her why would sasuke wanna be that, only option was orochimaru, jiraya is stronger than orochimaru, they easily coulda set up SOME typa meetup for a solution on this curse mark, orochimaru even made a deal with tsunade for healing his arms, kakashi doesn't even teach sasuke other copied jutsus, rock lees kick is something he did before the training and then all he did was i guess copy rock lees speed during the training which isn't even Kakashis idea, anyways so not only is kakashis talk brain dead, the sound 4 jump and beat sasuke and even they are more convincing than kakashi, that should tell you enough, if kakashis conversation was actually not stupid, then sasuke woulda just saw the sound 4, as these punks who are slaves to orochimaru, he woulda yelled so kakashi can save him, but he was quite and related to them, and saw them as people who took advantage of orochimaru, kakashi failed as a sensei, even someone like might guy who has no jutsu, if sasuke was under him in part 1 with mastery of hidden gates and the high speed, sasuke would be insane plus the sharingan, even jiraya would be a better teacher
Exactly! Kakashi wasn’t just in charge of them. He was also probably the #1 junnin of the entire village and had to do a lot of overtime. Being in charge of those 3 was more like a special mission than just becoming their sensei. The villages jinchuriki plus the last uchiha promising to be as good as Itachi, plus the most skilled at chakra control student on paper… seems to me that it was a special mission more than a random daily assignment. Too many things at stake. Plus no time for rest. Also remember that Naruto had that seal and couldn’t really control his chakra until Jiraiya removed it! So trying to teach him a lot of jutsu was probably not easy.
As opposed to Guy who taught Neji and Ten Ten push ups and Kurenai who taught Hinata, Shino and Kiba... something, I hope or Asuna that taught Ino, Shikamaru and Choji... barbecue and smoking. What I'm saying is that the student-teacher relationships in Naruto are severely lacking, not only in team 7 (which is the best developed for obvious reasons), but in all other teams as well.
Guy is definitely a worse teacher then kakashi Tenten is the most useless character in the verse and neji is dead ... Least all of kakashi's people are alive
@seanhutt4621 But both of those things are due to kishimotos bad writing - Neji and Lee were intended to both die wayyyyy earlier but they got too popular so they would not let them kill either character off during the retrieval arc.
@@seanhutt4621They did tenten dirty in Shippuden, but pre Shippuden she was a way stronger ninja than Sakura. I'm not saying she was the best(her moveset just isn't great in comparison to the rest of them) but at least she had a moveset. Sakura pre Shippuden had copy Jutsu, and her intellect, and good Chakra control. Each of these things can be good, but they need an actual fighting style and some kind of focus. Copy Jutsu just isn't good in comparison to other Jutsu, her intellect puts her only at barely above average pre Shippuden, and Chakra control while can be very extremely useful, is useless when pretty much the only Jutsu you know is copy Jutsu...
Considering he knows the Shadow clone Jutsu, he really has no excuse. He could have spared a clone or two to give the training Sakura and Naruto needed. Even at low chakra in the waves mission, he was able to produce around 10 no problem. The Show even points out the Jutsu in question is great for doing different things at the same time with a good example is in SHippuden. When Naruto commented about Looking left and right at the same time, he simply used a shadow clone to point out how it's possible. This gave him the opportunity to give all three personal instruction if he really didn't feel like giving group training.
Kakashi would honestly be right at home as a proctor with the likes of Ibiki or Anko. None of them really have what it takes to connect with young students especially on an emotional level, but they wouldn’t need to do that as examiners. I honestly didn’t think we’d see Kakashi much again after the bell test when I first watched the series, and I was just as surprised as team 7 to see him made their sensei.
I got to disagree that the other teachers did any better than Kakashi in preparing their students the chunin exams. Most of the other Konoha 12 sololy used their clan jutsus and tactics. The closest to preparing the students was Guy and even that is lacking. That is mostly because of the work he did with Lee teaching him iron fist style and 8 gates and giving his team an extra year to grow. He did next to nothing for Tenten besides teaching her the sealing stuff for her weapon. Throwing accuracy was something taught at the academy.
Bro he gave trained every one ,that's why it took one year ,it's true rest of them used Thier clan justu ,but kakashi can teach sasuake how to use his eyes or they shown us kakashi trains his team ,he didn't trained them based on what they are good like other did ,he did a great job in helping Naruto to create wind style rasgegan only if he did it earlier
@@yathishb7954 I was talking about the Chuunin exam prep so the wind style rasengan has no value. Kakashi only trained Sasuke for this event. My point the only konoha jounin that trained his students for the exam was Guy. And he only barely did anything that would be noticeable from stuff they could learn from the academy. That would be sealing weapons (Assuming this couldn't me learn from the academy.) for Tenten and the taijutsu style for Lee.
Another thing one should look at is when he taught treewalking, he taught it during the first mission outside of the village, but that seems like a very basic skill (basic enough that I'm surprised it's not taught in the academy) and something that didn't need much time to teach. It should have been something he should have shown on the first day and tell them to preactice it on their own after they did their missions for the day. By the time they left for Wave, they probably could have already started with water walking and he could have done everything else the exact same way he did in canon. Quite frankly during the mission was probably a horrible time to teach tree walking, even if they expected Zabuza to be out for a few days, they still should have expected others to be sent after the bridge builder, that's not exactly the time where Sasuke and Naruto should have done exercises that left them rather exhausted each day.
I would say the Hokage knew that that's why they put him with a bunch of failures with potential. He was a bad teacher but was skilled enough to handle most of what came his way.
17:44 5* Fukasaku and Bee were the ones to really make him someone. Naruto learned the shadow clone jutsu alone, with Jiraiya the rasengan and summoning jutsu, then on the time skip just a slightly bigger rasengan, with Kakashi the rasenshuriken, with Fukasaku Sage Mode and frog Kata and with Bee KCM1.
We can’t even blame kakashi for being a bad sensei as he isn’t a councillor, and he’s like one of the lone wolves after their pack has fallen, he has no care in the world for anyone else except the people that have somewhat experienced what he has
I'll give him this he had a pretty unbalanced team like no other (in terms of power) Naruto barely knew the basics and had average at best taijutsu but was still at least chunnin level with chakra levels that were monstrous Sakura was incredible below average with chakra control being her only good point And then there was Sasuke someone who was mid to high level already knew advanced moves and has a unique ability that he also had I know the teams were made to balance out the best with the worst but he really had it rough with two of his students if they never went to some of the strongest people in the worst to train would have been average at best (not counting 9 tails stuff for Naruto) while the last had one of the brightest path to being one of the strongest in the village
I feel like Kakashi should've went a similar route like Kurenai, and decide to focus the team in specializing in something. Team 8 was trained to specialize in recon and information gathering based off of their abilities, while Kakashi's Team 7 wasn't really given any particular objective. Perhaps he should've made them specialize in creating chaos, like Sakura figuring out where to hit the hardest, Naruto just creating chaos and making the enemy's life miserable, and Sasuke being the one specialized in assassinating or taking out the power targets. Every other team had a sort of theme or goal, except for Team 7, and so they just ended up drifting apart and learning under others.
Guy sensei had it just as bad. But at he tried at least. Both Lee and tenten were both below average, but Guy trained both of them to at least mid tier. Kakashi did nothing but focus on Sasuke.
@@Pandora_The_Panda Its unclear, though his team seemed to be focused on being skilled with weapons or unarmed fighting. Its unclear how much he did with Neji, but he did work with Ten Ten and Brock Lee quite a bit to make them skilled combatants. Meanwhile if you look at Team 7, Kakashi helped them learn how to run up a tree, but didn't really impart any other skills or abilities to them other than Sasuke. As the video mentions, Sakura basically wasn't taught any special skills leaving her a year behind the other teams, and Naruto ended up learning under someone else.
I think the curse mark had a lot to do with sasukes eagerness to leave for more power. You could say that was Kakashi’s fault for letting Sasuke into the chunin exams but that wouldn’t be right because Sasuke was in fact ready for it and it’s not his fault Orochimaru showed up. Nobody knew if I’m remembering correctly that he was there yet .
@@IIIISai Wrong. Anko didnt go rogue because she isn’t the same type of person as Sasuke. Sasuke was very eager for more power so he could kill itachi and ambitious the curse mark brought that out of Sasuke. The curse mark doesn’t have the exact same effect on everybody.
@@IIIISai He understood exactly what Sasuke was feeling and he couldn’t have told Sasuke anything better than what he did that day in the forest. Only thing he could’ve done was take him down by force and that can’t happen because the story has to progress.
@@jason15212 oh brother, I agree Savin sasuke makes the story not progress but they coulda handled it differently , they coulda had Kakashi with better dialogue, be more understanding, something along the lines of this " Listen Sasuke, Im sorry I neglected you and naruto and even sakura, But i never knew your rivalry stemmed this far, you guys would have blown eachother to bits but atleast naruto has kuruma to heal himself but you wouldn't be hear right now, I haven't taught u much outside of chidori and I understand why you would feel inferior to Naruto right now, but those blasts u see in the water tower, don't prove Naruto is stronger than u, his jutsu focuses on size while yours focuses on precision, and the only reason I'm tying u up right now is because I need to tell u something I should've done before ", Kakashi proceeeds to conversate and have a heart to heart with sasuke, after this he takes him to the ramen shop, he makes up for the neglect she shows sasuke and says he'll do the same for Naruto, but for now he spends time with jiraya, he also brings sakura along, kakashi says he'll talk to naruto and be gone for a minute and this gives sasuke and sakura time to bond outside of missions, where they can be intimate and nothing romantic i mean as comrades and friends, sasuke tells her why he's feeling this way and his history, and sakura tells her and why she behaves the way she does, as for the kakashi talking to naruto it'll be similar to him talking to sasuke, so i wont explain everything, eventually he'll ask jiraya if he can borrow naruto and he'll say sure, so now team 7 is at the ramen shop together, they bond, now u might ask oh wait so this happy ending why would sasuke wanna leave now, it's because it gets late and they all part ways, and sasukes house is the farthest ofc, kakashi even asks sasuke should i walk u home and he says no, so as sasukes walking home after 2mins or whatever far enough distance, an arm covers his mouth and he gets kidnapped and revealed in a location maybe 3mins away, basically similar to how sound 4 jumped him, then they'll explain why he should go with orochimaru like the original story, but this time sasukes even more hostile and at the end they can't convince him, but they tell him they'll comeback in a week to see if he changes his mind, reason why they dont steal him Is cuz orochimaru said make sure sasuke is willingly coming do he can control him, during the week Sasuke keeps getting visions of his brother and his curse mark is acting up, he tries using jutsus and they strain him and he has to go to the hospital again, so for a week sasuke can't even use jutsu while he sees kakashi training team 7 without him, this causes Sasuke deep pain but he won't say anything because he doesn't want to ruin the vibe, anyways eventually the sound 4 come and jump him again but hes at the same location, they jump him to test him a second time but hes weak and can't use any jutsu, so now that sasukes vulnerable they take advantage and try manipluating him but this time sasukes more hesitant but he eventually gives in and they tell him they can fix his curse mark problem with a pill theh have, see there u go I made a fix to Kakashis dialogue and Sasuke still goes rouge but now it's even harder hitting and I didn't mean to write so long though and I do agree with u that anko had different circumstances
Something I think people overlook. Guy doesn't put extra work in to Lee as his teacher. Guy and Lee are friends. Gym bros. Neji and Ten-Ten go home and Lee and Guy go for a handstand hike for a few days. They are just hanging out, since they enjoy and value pushing their limits, that's what hanging out looks like.
Jiraiya told Kakashi to focus on Saskue since he was the only one able to help saskue, not to mention how Saskue can’t control his curse mark and how he was being chased by a creepy snake. Besides, Jiraiya told Kakashi that he’ll look after Naruto. Besides, in the Saskue retrieval arc, only Kakashi went after Saskue and Naruto after his mission, even though Iruka and Jiraiya were both in the village.
Team 7 is the epitome of the kids in the pool meme meme. Kakashi is lifting up Sasuke, Naruto is trying not to drown, and Sakura is dead in the water.
Yeah I got the meme😂
Take a break. Whats your favorite Team? Iruka noodels?
yet Sasuke got the closest to death under his watch
Cringe
I wouldn't mind him leaving Naruto and Sasuke nearly as much if he set them up with actual competent sensei. But, no, he completely ignored Sakura and left Naruto, the 9 Tails jinchuriki, in the hands of FUCKING EBISU. You even remember who tf that is? Probably not, because he's a random nobody who did fucking nothing. If he left Naruto with Jiraiya (who he knew pretty well) and Sakura with basically anyone, it wouldn't have been nearly as big an issue
Kakashi is a good example of how being good at something doesn't mean you will be good at teaching that thing
Chidori and helping create a new jutsu for Naruto but ok
@@lamar9616 oh wow 2 things he thought through out the WHOLE story other than wall walking and neither of them was for sakura, so kakashi was still lacking so you just prove the dude's point.
@@WiiSage obviously she's not that not much important and plus chakra control training is much more suited to her plus. And again it's Sakura not much important don't be nchammer23/Sakura fan they both suck
@@WiiSagethat's kishimoto's bad writing lmao
You nchammer fans are so wrong you all don’t know anything about naruto
Kakashi reminds me of high level athletes that go on to be coaches and suck at it. When you’re a prodigy, it’s probably frustrating to teach non-prodigies. The inverse is probably why Jiraiya was an incredible teacher.
I mean, he had 1 arch to train team 7 as a team. and in that 1 arch his method of pitching sasuke and naruto against each other for chakra control tree climbing actually did work.
idk, if saying he “sucks” is all that accurate, since the times we do see him taking a teaching roll, he DOES get results.
-team 7 initiation for teamwork
-chakra control for tree climbing
-chidori for sasuke and sharingan training
-development of Naruto’s Rasenshuriken.
@@midshipman8654 I agree. I just think he’s not very good in comparison to the other teachers. He taught Sakura next to nothing tbh. The reason why Sasuke got so much stronger, I believe, is because he’s a genius like Kakashi (although, far from the same level of genius). I think if he had been Neji’s teacher, he would’ve had similar results, but he struggled to advance his non-prodigious students very much. He was at a bit of a handicap, though, considering Naruto had that extra seal disrupting his chakra and Sakura seemed to be more interested in hanging out with Sasuke than getting stronger.
@@iamdavidreardon No kakashi truly was a shitty ass teacher naruto didn't have any extra seals disrupting his chakra the only time he did have such a seal was during the chunnin exam and this shows actually how shitty a teacher kakashi is he focused entirely on sasuke so much that he didnt even check sakura or naruto if they were hurt in any way he had to get jiraya who found the seal by ACCIDENT to get rid of it thank god he got jiraya to train him otherwise his seal would be there the whole of naruto and likely no one would realize it.
All the other teams either learn from their clan hyuuga inuzuka aburame or they actually get training and help from their sensei like lee and tenten which you can see how they improve and keep learning new stuff all the time seriously everyone learns new jutsu's constantly or they learn new things because their senseis are atleast competent at it. Kakashi meanwhile... Walk up a tree while I watch and do absolutely NOTHING TO HELP! He only motivated them he didn't explain the technique that well HELL SAKURA HAD TO HELP THEM! SAKURA HARUNO AS A GENIN WAS A BETTER TEACHER THEN FUCKING KAKASHI HATAKE! This isn't about being a prodigy teaching none prodigy this is a complete lack of active teaching which jiraya also has naruto never had a proper teacher EVER everything he did learn he got vague instructions on and then learned by himself.
Think about it rasengan jiraya said do this done with that oh you got help from a cat? cool anyway do this thing done? neat alright now do this step etc and so on because of this people consider naruto being a crappy ninja because he doesn't grow as others should... No it's not that naruto is a great ninja learning the rasengan in a few weeks where it toke jiraya months it's not that he is a crappy ninja it is because he is sorrounded by crappy teachers.
We hear kakashi taught tree walking jiraya taught water walking kakashi actually was good he taught him wind release THEY DIDNT TEACH SHIT! It was all trial and error because they were such crappy teachers I love them as characters and such but as teachers they fucking suck and can get thrown in the trash.
Hell during his training of wind release he went to asuma because kakashi was such a crappy teacher which was the smartest thing he has ever done in relations teaching ascepts in that one moment naruto had an actual teacher who taught him something who explained things properly and wouldn't you fucking know it he understood after a while and mastered it even if it was supposed too be incredibly hard why? BECAUSE ASUMA WAS A PROPER TEACHER UNLIKE THE OTHER 2 IDIOTS!!!
Too summarize kakashi and jiraya cool characters love them in general but as teachers... Fuck em id rather be taught by iruka how to be a ninja then I rather be taught by iruka then those 2 idiots.
@@darklight998 I’m not gonna lie, that’s a bit too much to read, but I’m sure I agree with you haha
@@iamdavidreardon Yeah that's why I summarized it a little in the end don't worry about reading it all was just ranting mostly at the mere thought of those 2 being considered good teachers.
Not only did Kakashi leave Sakura for a month, he taught her nothing for weeks while Sasuke and Naruto were learning to climb the tree. Sakura was just chilling and wasting time. And btw, Might Guy helped build Neji's stamina by having him compete with Lee.
When Sasuke and Naruto were learning how to climb trees, Sakura kept chilling because she learnt it first.
Remember, when he was supposed to be a little genius? That's from that time
@@kittenfrompicture I think his point is that he could have had Sakura training on something else instead of watching Sasuke and Naruto.
While Naruto and Sasuke were trying to climb trees, Kakashi should have taught Sakura how to walk on water. That would have ensured that her control would have kept pace with their capacity. He could also have taught her the fundamentals of focusing her chakra to gain super strength.
@@karsten69 That would also boost Sasuke's and Naruto's determination (They were already determined, but maybe it would helped them a bit) to keep doing that, because there was Sakura, who was already 2 steps in front of them both. They'd be like - "wow, she can now walk on water, how cool, I wanna do that too.".
Wasn't he narratively guarding tazuna along with sakura and/or healing/resting?
In a flashback scene of Lee learning the Lotus, Guy actually says something along the lines of "In the end only Lee could learn this jutsu" meaning he actually tried to teach both Neji and Tenten the Lotus. Lee might have been his favourite but he definitely loved all three of them.
Also Neji did get to make jonin, I believe he was the only of the Konoha 12 to make Jonin during the timeskip. Lol
Is so dumb that shino never became a jounin . The dude was arguably the strongest genin/chunin in konoha. He was going in missions with his dad, a high-level jounin and clan leader, yet he never made it past chunin.
@@jorge9604 , Naruto never made it past Genin, and yet somehow he’s the Hokage in Boruto, so you can have a really powerful Ninja that isn’t Chunin or Jonin for that matter.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr he left the village tho shino didn't
@@jorge9604 I guess, maybe becoming Jonin is a bit like going for university..? (just speculating) Like, maybe it's strongly advised, but not mandatory to become one. Shino already had been of higher levels of missions with his father, meaning he had a better opportunity to get the high levels with lower rank than anyone else. Probably, as chunin, he got to some high-level missions alongside with his father, and later alone, so it wasn't even necessary for him to get a higher rank so he decided to pass on it.
And maybe he just wasn't interested in high positions even. Maybe all he wanted to do is to be a teacher himself and figured training for the position would be better than making the exam that won't do much for him later on..
I dunno, I feel like decision was only Shino's. No one could force him to go if he didn't want to after all :0.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Correct me if I'm wrong but, Sasuke never made it to Chunin or Jonin too. Both Naruto and Sasuke are the strongest ninjas in Konoha.
He also taught Sasuke the one jitsu that works with just plowing ahead and not worryingly about what's behind you. He legitimately gave him tunnel vision the jitsu
Yea but minato said that before he got the sharingan and the sharingan fixes that one and only flaw with its amazing vision
This comments and all its likes is a perfect example of how this series is extremely misunderstood
@@tsukune2910 if you mean the original commenter i can see why people might think the whole tunnel vision jutsu is funny but im pretty sure the series states the sharingan fixes it or is heavily implied to
@@B3an01 yea im talking about the original comment not yours. And then people are liking this misinformation. He tought sasuke Chidori knowing he had sharingan.
@ren @leo that's not the point. My point is he taught him to be zoned on a target. Yes the sharingan fixes the vision part. But he taught him to be a tunnel visioned killer how kakashi was taught to be a tunnel visioned killer. Hell when he failed a job ( protecting Naruto's mom ) Donzo but him into the ombo to be just that a not self thinking killer. That's why his a terrible teacher the whole point of the video.
Kakashi ditching Naruto and Sakura to teach Sasuke individually never sat right with me upon viewing. Even though he understood how far behind the other two were, he focused on Sasuke because he clearly favored him. This made me see Kakashi as too conceited/aloof to be a fully functional sensei for the remainder of the series tbh but he's still badass
The thing that gets me about the chunin exam is that, while I understand Sasuke needed it more immediately with the match against Gaara just to survive, if Sasuke lost and Naruto went on to face Gaara, Naruto would have been completely unprepared to face him without Jiraya. If everything went to plan without the sand & sound invasion and Ebisu was all Naruto had, Naruto would have gotten got in a match against Gaara. Cause let’s be honest, without plot armor and the very plot itself, Sasuke and Naruto would have gotten got.
He didn't focus on Naruto because He knew Jirraya would train him (it wasn't coincidence that Kakashi started focusing on Sasuke when Jirraya arived). The only person he forgot was Sakura but I'd say that has more to do with Kishimoto than Kakashi. Kishimoto literally forgot Sakura's development so many times she became a meme.
In the case of the chuunin exam I don't think it was Kakashi playing favorites. Two things to remember:
1) Kakashi knew Sasuke had the cursed seal placed on him by Oro so he wanted to keep a close eye on him both to ensure the cursed seal did not emerge again and to protect Sasuke.
2) Sasuke has the same lightning affinity as Kakashi, so he knew that he'd be especially suited to learn Chidori. He even mentions he's personally training Sasuke because they're "the same type".
@@asandax6 then why he even ask Ebisu to train Naruto if he knew Jiraiya will come..
@@peekopyro1840 because Jiraiya wasn't there at the time.
This feels like one of those things where Kishimoto had an endgoal in mind but couldn't didn't have a good way to get there. I doubt that he intended to make Kakashi look bad but he needed his students to be mentored by the Sannin so Kakashi got thrown under the bus. Kishimoto probably doesn't even realize how dirty he did Kakashi's character.
In whole series Kakashi got dirty and stomped by everyone even tho he was the first strong and smart character introduced to us.
Totally agree. I think the image he had of Kakashi and the character who Kakashi turned out to be ended in two completely different places. His hands-off approach makes sense given his past, but the fact that his mentality didn’t evolve in response to what his students’ was *sooo* unfortunate 😬
@@UnKnown6-9 He only ever loses to Itachi & Pain.
Like most of the issues with Naruto's writing, and a lot of manga in general, it all stems from having to write as you go, week by week, instead of using a lot slower, edit heavy style of writing like you might do with a Novel or Light Novel series. Writing as you go encourages and leads to a lot of issues like having to retcon a lot, creating inadvertent plot holes, "writing your way back" to established "mystery boxes" and general inconsistencies that pop up when you change ideas after setting up said boxes. Writing a story is really fucking hard, even when it's the only thing you're focusing on and you're given a LOT of time. Kishi had to do that while drawing sick art and being held to a strict deadline.
I mean, one thing that I could think of that Kishimoto could've done is to make Kakashi teach them all of the basics, like atleast teaching them 1 ninjutsu or genjutsu for sakura, but focus more on the mental and emotional foundations of what being a shinobi is
My whole thing with kakashi is that he not only neglected the three in regards to their training, but he also neglected their emotional needs. Naruto was clearly starved for any form of positive reinforcement that ne scarcely received in his entire life. Sakura had a lack of self esteemed and essentially let everyone walk over and ignore her. Sasuke had SEVERE emotional and psychological trauma not to mention his aggression, superiority and inferiority complex and lack of social skills. At the very least he should have tried to get sasuke in a more emotionally stable state of mind given their shared similarities wnd trauma, but all he did was give an unstable child access to skills he shouldn't have and a few random pep talks and expected hijmto figure it out. I get that they are basically child soldiers but with how their own sensie treated them I'm surprised they had enough plot armor to get as good as they did with so few body counts.
beautiful said brother, yea kakashi was soooo bad as a sensai, if they had anyone else sasuke would not leave the village and naruto and Sakura would be better ninjas, sasuke would probably talk to Jiraya or the Hokage or anyone, find scrolls etc...to get stronger, heck if in the timeline kakashi wasn't the sensei, he can still ask kakashi to help him learn some sharingan tricks or jutsus
Its insane to think that nobody in the entire fckn village tried to counsel Sasuke after the massacre. He never really got help with that. They threw him into a appartment to live alone and just hoped that it worked itself out. With that in mind, Sasuke was surprisingly stable. It just didnt take mutch to throw him back.
@@Fion355 Yeah, the ninja village as a whole is fucked but again I mainly blame the third hokage. The man is constantly just letting bad shit happen and doing less than the bare minimum clean up in order to fix it.
@@IIIISaiit's called plot
@@cryingtomatohead8626 To be fair to Hiruzen here, he didn’t want Sasuke to survive the Massacre in the first place. Itachi went against orders and refused to kill Sasuke, effectively blackmailing Hiruzen and Danzo for the terrible things they’ve done behind everyone’s backs.
Hiruzen didn’t care about Sasuke. He never wanted an unstable Uchiha running around trying to avenge his clan and kill Hiruzen’s double agent in the Akatsuki. So he did nothing.
Hiruzen is a lot more cold-hearted that then series shows much of the time. He did basically nothing to turn the tides of hate away from Naruto, worrying that it would sully his own reputation and therefore his vision for the village. He himself didn’t visit Naruto much and wasn’t surprised at Naruto’s horrible living conditions. He allowed ROOT to kidnap and brainwash kids all around Konoha. And he clearly treated Asuma coldly throughout his childhood, which is why Asuma was so bitterly against his dad.
Hiruzen is much like Danzo and much like Tobirama. He acted like he wasn’t much of the time to avoid facing reality, but he let Danzo do whatever he wanted without any consequences. And he abandoned those who weren’t of any use to him.
I am 1000% convinced Teuchi would do it too. That man always fed Naruto even when he couldn't pay. He never chased him off from his restaurant even though every other shop owner did. And he gave him that coupon at his wedding. I am convinced he truly saw Naruto as his unofficial son.
Ya Teuchi would of easily been the father figure at Naruto's wedding to Hinata.
Like Iruka, Teuchi was abandoned as a character in early Naruto. I legit have to wonder what the purpose of building Iruka was when he pretty much never appears after the first few episodes.
And there's some speculation that Teuchi was in Minato's team, right? Or at the very least was good friends with Minato. So there is relationship there. Teuchi was basically Naruto's uncle but had to keep his distance due to the rest of the village hating Naruto, but he never stopped taking care of the lil guy despite that.
Ramen guy is a goat
@AzureKite that may actually br a great hypothesis. Thay teuchi aided naruto in the only way he could.
Perhaps, when Minato and Kushina died, teuchi saw naruto being abandoned by the village, and through social conditioning he didn't want to be seen openly aiding naruto. So he may have decided to not openly support naruto, but to never turn him away if he came needing something
Really makes you appreciate Might Guy training his team both 1-on-1 and as a team. He also specifically focused on making his students overcome their weaknesses
even having them wait a year prior to taking the exams :)
@@kuukylvrr "I don't have any right to tell you how to raise your team Kakashi but maybe you should let them enjoy their youth like I did woty mine"
@@dudejoe24 Wise words from a more experienced teacher. Kakashi probably should have listened. The Forest of Death really f'd his team up, although... to be fair... he couldn't have known how bad it would get.
funny you say that, 1 of his pupils died and the other 1 was crippled, and the surviving 1 was barely seen.
@@__-fi6xg None of which has anything to do with Gai failing as a teacher except possibly for Lee getting crippled by Gaara's sand coffin. Gai was a much better sensei than Kakashi ever was.
Ironic considering I'd say Bushy Brow Sensei is the absolute #1 Sensei, due to the fact he got Ten-Ten AND Rock Lee who were both garbage in nearly everything, but he found a way to turn them both into masters. Albeit with hard work from each of them, he allowed his entire team to absolutely thrive with what they had, Neji was a prodigy so he didn't need as much help.
And even with Neji, you could argue that by making Neji compete with Rock Lee the way he himself used to compete with Kakashi, it elevated both of those dudes up. In order to keep up with Rock Lee's insane training regimen, Neji had to become a beast. He had insane stamina and physical strength after Gai's training, which combined with his byakugan and the gentle fist technique made him a certified beast.
Like, Hinata is pretty strong, right? But comparing her taijutsu with Neji's, and there is a canyon of difference because Neji was trained by and with two taijutsu gods.
thats the thing we’ve seen guy training w neji nd lee before in naruto nd in shippuden the reason neji risks his life for Naruto isnt j bc he was called a genius guy passed down a will thru his training nd words nd neji clearly followed it guy even says this when he saves kakashi from madara
In original Naruto...our first or second interaction we saw between Kakashi and Guy shows that Guy was better at being a sensei. Guy saw his genin were not ready and held them back a year before entering the chunin exam. Team 7 was very immature mentally and physically. I wonder how the story would be if Kakashi let his team mature a year before entering Chunin exam
No way Sasuke and Naruto would have accepted that lol.
@@fenmio13370 And? What would they do, go on a hunger strike?
Yes. That's one of the reasons that TenTen should have been one of the best genins back then, because she had more experience and more training time.
@@kayqueelson1761 Ten Ten is simply Ten Ten you can have the greatest sensei in the whole world to be her mentor and she will simply still be Ten Ten.
@@dexsama8890 Gee I wonder what a young shonen protagonist would do if they were forbidden to enter a tournament to show off their skills...
I'd like to take this time to remind everyone that Kakashi chewed Iruka out when signing Team 7 up for the chunin exams when Iruka thought it was too early for them. Kakashi made it clear that Iruka had no room to criticize his teaching methods, saying quote "They aren't your students anymore, they're mine,"
Fast-forward to the chunin exams and when Lee is tapping into the 8 gates, Kakashi has the nerve to start criticizing Guy's teaching methods for teaching Lee such a dangerous technique, while also having his woefully underprepared students participating in the same environment and the only reason they managed to make it that far is mostly by sheer luck, lol.
Omg I suddenly remembered this part that I thought at the time was unimportant! And you're so right ! Iruka was right ! Joining in the Chunin exams made Sasuke's inferiority complex grow to the point that he thought going with a child-stalker would be a great idea , Sakura almost died , Naruto would have ended up defeating Gaara even without joining Chunin exam because he spammed shadow clones and used summoning Jutsu that Jiraiya taught him . Guy was the one who did the best : Perfected Neji's moves , taught Lee something that would change his life , made Tenten use her weak powers to the farthest extent so that she doesn't end up dead... And Kakashi had the NERVE to criticize Guy ...
@@Some_guy_passing_byGuy was always the one with the higher emotional intelligence of the two rivals 😂😂
Kakashi was such a garbage Sensei lol. He legit taught his team nothing except Tree-Walking (and Chidori for Sasuke). And then he signed them up to go against kids like Gaara, Shino, and Neji.
Sasuke and Sakura both almost died to Gaara. Naruto would have died to Gaara if it hadn’t been for Jiraiya’s teachings.
Even setting aside how Kakashi didn't teach Team 7 new jutsu, he could've at least expanded on sakura's chakra control and taught her about recognising and breaking free of genjutsu. He could've taught Naruto how to effectively use his shadow clones instead of just using them for the numbers advantage.
But he did teach Sakura that she was just good at chakra control that he didn't need to constantly monitor her like he did with Naruto and Sasuke.
They never worked on core strength, strategy, throwing a proper punch, and all of that
@@njalsand133 no he just taught Naruto and Sasuke the most powerful Jutsus in there arsenal
Actually he DID teach Sakura to break genjutsu. Which is why she didn't fall under one when the Sand/Sound attacked the Leaf. He also taught Naruto how to use his clones effectively when training for Rasenshuriken.
@@ReverofEnola Should've clarified that I was referring to part 1. There was no reason Kakashi couldn't teach Naruto about clones sharing experiences.
In all honesty....Kakashi's 3 only began to realize true potential AFTER they went to the Sannin. Sakura was suppose to be a Genjutsu specialist before Tsunade 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah? Remind me what Jiraiya taught Naruto again during the time skip? Then remind me who was left to pick up his slack. Sasuke was mostly self-taught, he didn’t really learn much from Orochimaru. The only one who truly benefited from a Sanin was Sakura.
Say it again. Kakashi gets far too much credit for what little he did for the team.
Instead of genjutsu specialist,it would be better to build from her weakness.
She was useless against Kakashi genjutsu so she trained to resist that.
Her close quarters combat skills sucked so she learned them.
She couldn't help when they were wounded so she learned medical skills.
The fact that she didn't learn seal after the forest of death is the one thing was missing really.
I would have written that she was practicing genjutsu along with Tsunade's teachings.
@Eternal Brightness well Kishimoto needed us to see Naruto learn the Rasenshuriken and Sage Mode. I'd have had Naruto arrive back at Konoha already a perfect Sage, with the Rasenshuriken already throwable. And he would have fully mastered control of the V1 Nine Tails Cloak, but have hit a wall. Sakura would fill her Byakuya Seal during the mission to Tenshi Bridge, and already have achieved Hashirama Sage Mode via the Hashirama Cell, Tsunade knows about it, knows about Yamato, and Sakura would likely be able to handle and support the first Hokage's living flesh, and Tsunade would know this and would take advantage of like a serious wound Sakura takes during training or on a mission, by healing Hashirama flesh into it. Sasuke would also have trained in Ryuchi Cave and mastered Snake Sage Mode. All during the Timeskip.
Something to consider is why Kakashi was such a bad teacher, and I think the answer to that is Minato. Jiraiya said that Minato was such a prodigy he didn't really need any training, that meant Minato didn't know how to be a good teacher. Then, Minato's squad was on war time missions and frequently split up. Throw in that Minato died young and couldn't really guide Kakashi, and that even in Anbu, you had Itachi and Yamato as the closet people Kakashi might teach, and Kakashi really just had no good feedback to learn how to be a teacher from either his days as a student or a teacher. Even when he saw the rift between Sasuke and Naruto and went to Jiraiya for help, Jiraiya just said that it was no big deal and left Kakashi without any guidance.
When he tied Sasuke to the tree and basically just said "stahp it" in part 1, it was clear he didnt have a full grasp on the situation like you said. And him failing as a teacher is actually part of his arc in Shippuden by him feeling it is his responsibility to stop sasuke himself due to his failure as a sensei to effectively guide him
@@TheToby121 agreed
Exactly, Minato has a lot of explaining to do in my book. Never available at his students most dire moments.
@@boxingelfis1499 I think Minato's advice to Kakashi about chidori summed up his teaching skills. He had never seen the technique before, showing how much he wasn't close to his student. Then he gave Kakashi some quick advice that amounted to "get good", and basically told him to abandon the technique opposed to figuring out how to make it work for him.
Look at how Jiraiya praised Naruto for solving the Rasengan in a way that worked for him. Minato never would have done that.
Team 7 was his first and only team he taught. Not all that bad considering but god damn he sucked as a mentor.
Sakuras chakra control means that during the days naruto and sasuke learned to climb a tree, he could teach her the water walk. Also right after the zabuza fight, he should have let her find out her chakra nature and work on that. I could get him not teaching naruto nature jutsu bcus his chakra control wasnt good, but why not sakura
Wasn't he bedridden at the time? About the nature jutsu, you have a good point. Why didn't Sakura ever learned it anyway? Not even from Tsunade. Or did she (even by Kakashi), but it was not deemed relevant to her character arc?
@@babadoudidadouda true he was in bed at the time, but the basic knowledge of knowing your chakra nature i think should have been taught in the academy from the start. but with sakura specifically, her chakra control from the start was insane and she would have benefited from any chakra nature and could master it faster than most of the konoha 11 i think.
He couldn't teach her chakra natures. Sakura had good chakra control, but elemental ninjutsu requires large chakra reserves (which she didn't have).
You are right though. As soon as she did the tree walking technique correctly once, he just let her do nothing. He could have had her repeat the exercise to improve her stamina and chakra reserves, which she desperately needed.
@@finris1 well true, but kakashi also had small chakra reserves and after he got the sharingan he used even more of his chakra and yet still he used elemental jutsu, bcus he improved his chakra control so thats why i say sakura could use some bacis elemental jutsu without much cost to her stamina overall, not to spam jutsus just use it once in a while or in a pinch
@@babadoudidadouda if he could tree walk “bed ridden” then he can certainly water walk
It would've been SO cool to see Sakura become a Genjutsu/healer.
I'm actually disappointed it didn't happen.
She's kinda more of a one-punch/healer. But if you add Genjutsu to that, it would make so much sense.
Befuddle her enemies so she could punch the hell outta them in one hit.
Exactly!! A basic Genjutsu would work so well ! But nope, Kishimoto lacked a lot when it came to making a girl have a moment.
@@Some_guy_passing_by
Some times I feel that kishimoto has never met a girl
I will forever say that kishimoto should have focused a lot on sakuras battle iq and had chiyo teach her puppet strings. And maybe once she got the 100 healings seal it would transfer through the strings essentially turning her into the ultimate support ninja who can constantly heal her allies from long distances and literally pull them out of any bad situations
@@nishathaveri4498I mean he admitted he never really had an emotional relationship with another woman besides his mother soooo.... lmao. Japanese men continuing to be Japanese men
@@Some_guy_passing_by Eh also the poor planning to make genjutsu the potential specialty of somebody on a team with somebody whose family legacy is their good at gentsu thanks to their Kekke Genkai. Basically dooming her to either get ignored, rendered second best, or be the redundant member of the team, if he'd developed that plot point.
Though it still could have worked if he made Kakashi teach them the following
Sasuke becomes the front line fighter with ninjutsu and genjutsu.
Make Sakura the team assassin teaching her kenjutsu and genjutsu.
Have Naruto start off specializing in summoning jutsu so he could use his Uzumaki chakra pool indirectly to bypass the tailed beast getting in the way of learning ninjutsu and genjutsu. Also since he's an Uzumaki teach him some sealing jutsu, which should be easier for him to use and thus a foundation for improving chakra control. Its honestly rather shocking Kakishi never thought to take advantage of Naruto's desire to have friends as being an asset he could use to talk no jutsu summoning animals into agreeing to work with him.
The point where he was like "Hey Sakura, you'd be great at genjutsu," and then promptly ignored her entirely, was the point where I wondered about how badly the women were being written. You'd also think he'd be certain she was better prepared so she didn't have to be defended on every mission, AND because her parents weren't ninja, so she had no foundation for ninjutsu. Even if he relied on Naruto's natural competitiveness and Sasuke's "genius," he allowed her to become a weight and struggle to keep up.
Some great points. Asuma was probably was probably the best of the original groups sensai’s. He was extremely close to them and the team was emotionally a wreck after he died.
Asuma definitely did the best job at raising human beings. Gai did the best job teaching ninja. Kurenai wasn't the best at either, but she did give her students the most balanced education and was better than either at the *other* thing. And Kakashi... well... Kakashi fucked up.
Asuma did a great job motivating and cultivating a great relationship between and among his students, but, let's be fair, Asuma and Kurenai didn't need to do shit for jutsu training for their students. Both of them had students who all came from established clans who passed down their techniques internally.
It almost seems like the sensei's job isn't to be a mentor/master to pass down jutsu, but more like a captain to guide teamwork and help improve existing skills, like chakra control. If you think about all of the sensei's of genin teams, the only jutsus taught were Tenten's weapon summoning Justus, Lee's 8 gates and related techniques, Sasuke's Chidori, and Minato teaching Kakashi the rasengan, from Naruto and Shippuden, at least. The rest were either self developed, sometimes alongside or supported by senseis, like Kakashi's chidori and Naruto's rasenshuriken, or related to having masters teach or pick up techniques from their students, like the sanin with team 7 or Minato showing Jiraya how to do the rasengan.
There really isn't that much jutsu tutelage outside of clans in Naruto. Though, hey, maybe you guys have more examples to prove me wrong. That's just my memory of it
Cut the crap. Asuma didn’t teach his squad squat on-panel. They learnt no jutsu from him whatsoever. They had good chemistry at best, but where did that get them? Until Kakashi stepped in, Team Asuma were on a suicide mission trying to avenge him. He left them nothing behind but some words of wisdom.
@@draethdarkstar *”Asuma definitely did the best job at raising human beings”*
You mean the bare minimum? And I’d also accredit their parents for the way his three turned out. Outside of being Jinchuuriki & Uchiha, Naruto & Sasuke were orphans with expected social deficiencies. So Kakashi had more work to do.
*”Gai did the best job teaching ninja”*
Guy’s great but what exactly did he teach TenTen that I missed?. Hell what did Neji learn from him?
*”And Kakashi…well… Kakashi fucked up”*
Last time I checked, none of the other Konoha Sensei had a Sanin out for their students neck (literally). They were given enough time to adequately train their students without threat of losing them to a psychotic powerhouse at a moments notice. Kakashi was *forced* to hold off teaching his students collectively & divide his attention towards his most endangered student (Sasuke) who happened to have the Sharingan which was a valuable asset to Konoha’s military might. If that fell in the hands of someone like Orochimaru, forget Sasuke, the Land of Fire itself would have been at his mercy. He already took out two Kage without it. Imagine what he could have done carrying the weight of such power. Do these things even go through your head?
@@EternalBrightness3 considering that Shinobi were meant to be human weapons, that's more than the bare minimum.
Honestly kakashi not being able to get Sasuke on the right path makes a lot of sense. He still hadn't been able to deal with his own emotional damage, how the hell would he feel comfortable or confident trying to tell someone else what to do
Yeah he was probably unintentionally the worst person to mentor Sasuke, who rather needed someone that would use more subtle psychological tricks, Not saying Kakashi's idea of humiliating his students an putting them in their place thru force is always bad, it might work on some people, but in Sasuke it only nurtures his unhealthy tendencies, and i doubt he can open up and trust people who basically use the same tactic Itachi did to motivate him
i would start with a Jiraya like tactic, you know ice cream.
@@windwaker0rules jiraya himself started with ignoring the kid you need to teach and hang out with prostitutes tactic
@@slvaltva1392 jariya never actually taught Naruto anything other than the rasengan and allowed him to sign the toad contract. In 3 years the only difference is that Naruto matured. That's a huge difference from Kakashi's 6 months that caught Naruto up to Sasuke.
@@firebreathingmoonbeam3961 yeah that sucks, wish jiraya tried more
I think I can forgive tenten's loss to temari. tamari was not only one of the strongest genin, she also hard counters tenten. Hiruzen commented that she had perfect form, and distance, so she clearly was trained to be really good at throwing weapons. Unfortunately that'll only get you so far in this world. I wish tenten had more development in shippuden, but you could substitute tenten for almost all of the side characters in the konoha 13 and its still accurate. She's not the only one who gets side lined.
Bro I remember that one filler episode where they're fighting like magnetic people in night and tenten pulls out the fucking tonfas! I was like "why hasn't this girl been on more episodes she's sick and like an actual real life ninja"
But nope. Tenten and really a lit of the female cast but esspecially poor tenten was just forgotten about and used as a glorified backpack.
She could have been like a weapon master or even make her own special weapon like the mist swords or something, anything lol
@@Crouton- I really like the idea of her making her own special weapons. The sage of 6 paths weapons are obviously powerful, but I dont feel they fit her. Kind of feels like she just happened to be the one to pick them up. If she made her own unique weapons, I think it would feel more earned.
@Skelemonyo there was that one filler thing with the gigantic bomb mace thing that she instantly mastered and would have been cool to see moving forward
@@SkelemonyoYa know what she needed? Something like that ninja scroll based weapon Boruto had in that tournament he gone disqualified from for using *ninja tools* because Naruto's a jerk for no good reason. That plus her regular weapons would've made her a beast despite her limited chakra.
temari was not only a sand ninja but was the daughter of the kazekage and sister to one of the most dangerous people around at the time: she was strong by necessity and tenten just wasn't going to cut it just by throwing weapons and hoping one hits. this is also why she technically beat shikamaru who was about as smart as she was strong and thus a much more even match. it's likely the main reason why they got married: brains and brawns.
Sakura becoming a Genjutsu Prodigy would’ve been hype, and it might have even led Sasuke to begrudgingly respect her at first. The fact that Itachi mainly uses Genjutsu in his fights might have led Sasuke to treat Sakura less harshly after Itachi’s death, and that would’ve done wonders for the rush-shipping Kishimoto tried to do with them.
Remember how was the best genjutsu user in the leaf and what she did ?
"Led Sasuke to treat Sakura less harshly" Didn't he try to kill her twice after that? Also didn't care when she almost died during Kaguya fight
@@arnur1237 Well yeah, obviously Sasuke became a psychopath and I honestly don’t believe that anyone should have just forgiven him for that. But Kishimoto obviously wanted Sasuke to come back to Konoha and marry Sakura.
If Kishimoto wanted that, making Sakura a Genjutsu Specialist could’ve done wonders for the romance.
Kurenai, Asuma and Guy were always there for their students not just training wise but also there for them in a supportive way. Hell they would even shadow them on some missions just in case they were needed.
Kakashi never wanted to become a sensei. Plus he was very awkward socially and a loner. He was supposed to be the worst in the first place. But they grew on him and you can tell. To the point of not just being their sensei but a comrade in arms equal to them!
@@TRYCLOPS1 I know he's started to care for them in the future but I meant before the time skip when he became their sensei. my point is he should've payed more attention back then to more than just Sasuke (dual loner personalities lol) but it was his job as a sensei to learn to be better. He pushed Naruto on someone else and literally disregarded Sakura while he personally trained Sasuke, thankfully those two met Jaraiya and Tsunade who turned them into the amazing ninja they are hell even Sasuke went seek out Orochimaru after a while
The moment that really sticks out to me for him being a bad sensei is not dealing with Sasuke's feeling of being weak, as of course this resulted in Sasuke leaving due to needing more power (of course this goal changes) but you get the idea. Had Kakashi monitored Sasuke better and taught him about Obito's story, another Uchiha he knew, this could've had an impact on Sasuke's early motives imo.
Not necessary. Kakashi’s personal talk with Sasuke in the forest hit home. It had Sasuke pondering his life choices for several hours. Had the sound four not intervened, Kakashi may have changed him. Point is, he did his part.
Also if he monitored him better people would just complain more about him neglecting Naruto & Sakura.
The reason Kakashi spent so much time with Sasuke was because he was monitoring him.
The only person he failed outright was Sakura. Naruto he knew had plenty of power, and was trying to drill into him discipline, which was basically impossible for anyone besides Jyriah and we saw what that entailed.
@@rrteppo They fail to realize that if Kakashi wasn’t safeguarding Sasuke, he’d have been abducted in seconds and Naruto & Sakura wouldn’t have forgiven him for it. Orochimaru & Kabuto tried to abduct him on individual occasions and both failed due to Kakashi’s protection. It took the sound four waiting for Kakashi to disappear for them to finally win Sasuke over.
I wouldn’t say he failed Sakura. It’s because of his dark Genjutsu during the bell test that she even bothered to learn how to repel Genjutsu (Chapter 116, page 17). He definitely could have taught her more but as you understand circumstances were obviously not in his favor. Knowing Orochimaru’s ambitions, he had to look out for Sasuke.
Kakashi's biggest mistake with Sasuke is that he never shared his history with him. Kakashi saw himself in Sasuke, but Sasuke didn't have the knowledge to see that parallel. He didn't know how or why Kakashi had a Sharingan, only that it pissed him off that he did. He didn't know Kakashi lost his team or how that happened. He didn't know that Kakashi was forced to kill his best friends. He didn't know Kakashi lost his family (and the prominence of his family name) or that it was instigated by the village. He didn't know that Kakashi spent nearly decade living in the darkest aspects of the ninja world. All he saw was a guy who kept his distance, was preachy, and that seemed like he stole an eye from one of Sasuke's family members.
Mentioning that Kakashi overlooking Sasuke's feeling of being weak is rich considering he completely ignored the entire team's insecurities. Naruto insecurity regarding his ignorance on how to control and or communicate with Kurama. Sakura's insecurity regarding her utility to her team. Lastly, Sasuke's insecurity regarding his lack of growth towards his goal to surpass and defeat Itachi. Kakashi was so careless as a teacher, he should have remained an anbu captain.
Funniest part is that Sasuke is the only student that Kakashi focused on because of their similarities and arguably played the smallest role in his recovery. Smaller than even the brother who murdered his entire family.
Kakashi really failed miserably
Kakashi never really understand Sasuke.
Interesting you say that when Sasuke would have been rotting in a prison cell right now if not for Kakashi who pardoned him for that “recovery” you speak of to blossom. He definitely played a massive part.
And he didn’t focus on Sasuke primarily cause of their similarities. There’s that but it was also Kakashi going by orders handed to him by his senior Jiraiya advising him to give Sasuke Sharingan training & leave Naruto’s training to him (Chapter 143, page 8).
People act like this chapter & page number don’t exist when the whole point of its existence is for that not to be the case.
@@EternalBrightness3 bro i seen u alot in the threads defending kakashi but at the end of the day he wasn't much help on sasukes journey, bro if sasuke listened to him and forgot about revenge itachi would eventually kill him without a doubt
@@IIIISai Kakashi fanboys are all like this guy... they can't take a single critic about the idol and start to cope with a lot of excuses.
I remember that one post-credit segment where Kakashi was talking about the different sensei of the village and started getting lonely after realizing that all his students basically replaced him with someone else
So sad… he had a very shitty hand tho.
Damn, when was it? I want to see it
Also the fact that Kakashi’s father was shunned by the shinobi at least, to the point he killed himself while Kakashi was young; Kakashi probably didn’t know how to be a good sensei, because on top of his father, the person that should teach you much about life, his own sensei died, so monkey didn’t see, and therefore monkey can’t do.
The best thing about Kakashi's peers when it comes to their mentor-ships in part 1 is that all of their students all got clear development in some way, yet the audience sees very little of it besides a select few instances, mostly during the chunin exam fights. Yet, it's still rather believable and safe to assume that most of their development came from their teachers. Meanwhile team 7 is the team the audience spends the most time with and yet they feel like they receive the least amount of development from their teacher. They do develop, of course, but most of that development often feels like stuff they came up with on their own or shit they made up on the fly as oppose to any really, considerable input from their teacher. The prelim fight arc in particular is always interesting to me for this reason. Every other teacher during those fights usually displays very intimate knowledge about their student's strengths and weaknesses during their respective fights, at least everyone except for Kakashi, who, during those fights often acts as in info dump, knowing more about ANOTHER student's techniques than his own students.
Kakashi L moment
The only thing he knows about his students
1 . Sasuke is a genius with all seeing eyes
2. Naruto has great chakra reserve and nine tails but stupid
3. Sakura has some good chakra control but who cares😂😂
It's heartbreaking how everyone was too traumatized by Minatos death to help raise naruto properly, i mean jiraya couldnt even bring himself to look at naruto until he was certain he was going to be assassinated
I basically borrowed Hiruzen's story with an orphaned PC backstory. Much more tenuous connection so his actions felt more forgivable but it was still brutal for the kid.
This is my question hearings and had to have known that Naruto is going to catch s*** for being a jinchuriki why not give him some sort of oi don't know foster parents to make sure that the villages f****** with him make it a respectable clan in the village
@@Mr.wednesdayallfather the original plan was to hide the information, but Danzo leaked it
@@felixlara2945 danzo should´ve been executed ages ago. his actions created at least as many enemies as they put down. also the root were only loyal to himself, not the village... that´s essentially a rebellion
That is a common talking point in any fanfiction for a good reason, half the time Hiruzen is just portrayed as being in league with Danzo due to it. It makes no sense why Hiruzen just stood by and let it all happen honestly, it's a massive plothole.
imo sakura would've faired better if she was under might guy. take her exceptional chakra control from an early age along with advanced taijutsu training from guy and maybe even learning the gates from him, then compound that with tsunade's training on healing and chakra enhanced strength and she could've turned out deadly. learning some basic to intermediate genjutsu's wouldn't hurt too.
100 Healings + 8th Gate would have Sakura making Pain, Madara, Kabuto, and all of the Otsotsuki looking like Rin
Guy was by far worst sensei then kakashi
He put all of his effort into one student ignored the other 2
Leading one of them to be the most useless character in the verse
And the other one is the only student that f****** died lol
That's a hard failure as a teacher
@@seanhutt4621 did you watch the video ?
@@seanhutt4621 Guy was by far one of the best senseis, regardless of his preference towards Rock Lee (who 100% needed it).
@@seanhutt4621 for most of the series team guy was the strongest groups of all the konoha chunin. Lee and neji were both monsters and ten ten was the perfect balance to support from a distance while neji and Lee kick ass. Neji was a genius and if not forgotten he'd probably had turned out stronger then Sasuke
Kakashi: Revenge isn't worth it Sasuke.
Also Kakashi: I help you get revenge Shikamaru.
I think the difference is that Kakashi might have known about the order Itachi had to take out the Uchiha so he didn’t want Sasuke looking for revenge on someone he felt wasn’t truly responsible for what happened and who was just following orders
Meanwhile with the Asuma scenario Kakashi had know Asuma most his life plus Hidan unlike Itachi was just plain insane and evil so the revenge there is justified
I hate the "Revenge is bad trope" so much. Mostly cause it's used when the person wronged has very good reason to get revenge. Sasuke had every right to want to kill Itachi but Kakashi had the nerve to tell him that revenge wasn't worth it.
@@Thatdoginme_m3 it's not about the right of doing it, but the fact that doing it will do nothing for you other than getting you in danger
The difference is Kakashi knew Shikamaru could solo hidan, he did not think Sauske could ever beat itachi and he was destroying himself trying to get there, while shikamaru just needed the correct battle plan
See I feel like the reason is because Sasuke had left the village and they KNEW Asuma's team was leaving permission be dammed that they just acquiesced to them second Sasuke wasn't just getting vengeance he was basically defecting to the guy who basically killed the 3rd Hokage and tried to destroy the village
What's even worse was after the Sasuke vs. Naruto's rooftop fight. He questions why would Jiraiya teach Naruto such a dangerous jutsu, the Rasengan. Just the audacity, when he taught Sasuke chidori, the guy who wanted power for revenged. Meanwhile, Naruto might be a knucklehead, but his morals was in the right. He want to be stronger to be respected by everyone in the village, and to keep up with strength level. So, he has no right to question Jiraiya that time. He taught someone with a radical intention, a powerful jutsu.
Hell, that jutsu was also Naruto’s birthright since it was created by his father.
What's worse is that Chidori is literally a knockoff Rasengan, meaning that Kakashi was criticizing Jiraiya for teaching Naruto the non-failed version of the very same Jutsu that Kakashi himself taught Sasuke.
There’s an RDC skit about this one 😂
Let's not forget that Gai tried to teach his whole team the Eight Gate Release but only Lee was able to do it.
Would never forget that hospital scene, Kakashi had the balls to tell Jiraiya why did he teach such a dangerous technique has the rasengan to Naruto 😂😂😂
Ikr
Bro was working with Shadow clones and a dream and homie got mad at him for learning a new attack????
Not to mention that Kakashi had taught Sasuke his own incomplete version of the attack. Kakashi just came off as someone who only cared to train Sasuke.
@@sayiantom Personally, I think he focused on Sasuke, because of his trauma over losing Obito. As Obito's only living family (who wasn't a traitor), Sasuke was the last real reminder of Obito, and Kakashi didn't want to lose that.
Which is all the more ironic, because Naruto was closer in personality to Obito, was the only child of his mentor, and honestly needed more help. And yet, Kakashi couldn't do anything to help until long after the time-skip.
@@finris1 yeah I've seen fanfiction which goes into that, and they make sense to me. One also had the characters get it into his head that he was pandering to a mini-him instead of a mini-Obito as it went into Sasuke being a prodigy like he was, and Obito being a dead-last like Naruto was. It broke him in the story when they succeeded, with him giving all of his scrolls, including his dog summons, to Naruto and telling Sasuke off when he tried to take them from Naruto. I think the story was a ground hog day deal, and was called 'Chunin Exams', might be missing something in the title
One slight disagreement Nick I truly believe when Kakashi said”everyone important is dead”he actually did get breakthrough to Sasuke the issue was that right after that speech the sound four showed up and beat the piss out of him to sway him back
Bad timing honest. But yeah maybe Kakashi could've said a little more to make sure it stuck. Hell take em on a walk. Talk feelings out. Ya know?
Yeah, that was Kakashi's big moment, but he just wasn't ready for it. Maybe he planned to talk to Sasuke about it later, but he had Sasuke's undivided attention after he said that. It seemed like he just really didn't know what to say after that. Or how to get the words out. Heck, if he had just said, "How do you think I got this eye?" After that, Sasuke would've been attached to Kakashi like a clingy girlfriend who just discovered super glue, lol. Would've also been a great chance to do the Team Minato flashback, Sasuke could've been properly kidnapped, and then intoxicated by the power released from curse mark after he got out of the box that he only left because he was literally drunk on power/hypnotized by it. So it would be less of Kakashi's failure and more of Orochimaru's cunning. Then, even after coming out of the trance, Sasuke would be too tempted by the power-ups and techniques that Orochimaru already started teaching him and he'd have already been a rogue ninja because he attacked Naruto while power-drunk/hypnotized, and like how Kakashi brought Naruto away after the battle, Sasuke could walked just a few feet away doubting himself and what he did and faint before Orochimaru himself picked up Sasuke before Kakashi arrived, or at the same time, they stared each other down before Orochimaru disappears with Sasuke and Kakashi can't pursue because he has to save Naruto.
Just some slight differences that I think would've gone a long way for Kakashi's character, and maybe even Sasuke's a bit
@@Chronoflation W take
I actually agree.
To add to this, Sasuke hesitated when Sakura said she'd help him get revenge if it helped him stay in the village. He didn't think what he was doing was the right path, it was just the only path he could envision for himself. He didn't want Sakura or any of his friends to follow him into that darkness.
@Tyr Something we could have had is Kakashi going to show Sasuke the tomb of Obito, Rin and his Father and while off-screen, having explained.
Like this, for example, cut back to Kakashi and Sasuke in front of the monument with the name of the shinobi that died for the leaf, to make it even clearer that yeah, Kakashi's loved one(s) died FOR the leaf. It may even bring the whole, Sasuke wondering what a village truly is, from much longer roots, upon seeing the personnal cost it takes, all the lives that died. Plus, I doubt Obito was the only Uchiha whose name was wrote there, so bonus point, have Sasuke either search how those had died, since they are distant relatives, poking a small curiosity for the lives of distant cousins, or just... have a scene where Sasuke sees Obito's name and learns from Kakashi they were teammates.
Because, the moent you hear "Kakashi was on the same team as a now dead member of the Uchiha" you can click. That the sharigan, is the eye of his dead friend. A friend he may feel he failed to save. Not even showing us flasbacks, just a subtext implication. Because, Sasuke is no idiot, he would likely piece this together.
I blame the 3rd Hokage for assigning Kakashi this team knowing damn well he couldn't just fail them since it's his dead best friend's cousin and his dead teacher's son. He needed therapy ages ago but he got assigned to train his deceased loved ones' family members into child soldiers
lmao
U making it sound worse than it acc is. Naruto has no resemblance to Minato apart from his hair and eyes, and Sasuke's also nothing like Obito apart from sharing a clan. And who'd care about child soldiers in this show when everyone is one.
Bro Kakashi was the perfect match for them! Are you kidding me? Only sharingan user. Highest skilled junnin as well in the entire village. Also, only one who would focus on the most important thing they needed to learn: work as a team! Also he was the only surviving student of the 4th, so knew the deal. More than a sensei, it was really a mission to watch over the jinchuriki and the last uchiha. Sakura was probably put in there because of her good grades on paper and nothing else… or maybe it showed the 3rd that she was medical ninja material. Fact is he knew more than anyone and made the best decision as the 4 of them working together helped save the world in the end. It would’ve never been possible without the 4 working together as a team, ironically. So you gotta give more credit to the 4th. Just because he lost his life to Orochimaru… due to the fact he summon Hashirama and The second hokages??? Most unfair fight ever tho. But yea guy did the best he could with options available. But you gotta see it from a different point of view outside the box.
Kakashi definitely had hardcore nepotism for Sasuke even to Naruto and Sakuras detriment.
He taught Sasuke, the biggest red flag in his team, the Chidori to use against Itachi but was furious that Jiraia taught Naruto the Rasengan.
Both are capable of an insta-kill if used properly but Naruto, a jokester, was apparently more dangerous than the guy constantly brooding about his revenge.
What makes it worse was that Naruto deserved that jutsu since his father created it, and unlike sasuke, had a group of s-rank missing ninja after him and needed a trump card due to the Kyuubi chakra being unreliable.
17:52 That ramen guy was absolutely in the running to walk Naruto down the aisle at his wedding.
Bro woke up and choose violence 💀
It’s the $10,000 that got him choosing violence 😂 I’m here for it💀
@@MissNoni94 bro literally went after kakashi 😂
I’ve been saying this for ages. I adore Kakashi but I agree he was an absolute disaster of a sensei . When ever I’m asked I chose Gai to be my sensei at least he’d train me even if he focused on Lee. He also treats his team like actual children.
lol he does. and i think it’s adorable. lol
Gai is a 10/10. He even has Neji's respect, and that dude has 0 patience.
Kakashi has an entire backlog of jutsu to teach his students but does absolutely nothing lol. I blame Sakura being useless entirely on him. Kakashi should be a cheat code. Instead Guy sensei is the cheat code
I think Kureinai was the best. She was given the most diverse team and none of them were good at Genjutsu. Yet she basically raised Hinata like a child and saw all of them basically as her kids. We see multiple flashback of her simply spending quality time with them, taking them out for drinks and loving them. Something we never saw Kakashi do, yet she did it constantly.
Shino never lost a battle until he fought Super Sage Mode Mitsuki and even then he said he didn't go all out not to kill Mitsuki. Shino became an Academy Teacher.
Kiba is basically a super star in the Village. Still going on Jonin missions, has the biggest Dog Center and own brand of food and toys.
She turned Hinata from somebody who was scared to talk to someone who jumped in front of Pain, and later even went against Momoshiki and Kinshiki to save Naruto.
@@beresarmand6058 I honestly think that kiba and Sakura should have been exchanged lol
I always felt like Kakashi could've been a better sensei to Team 7; but something I always though was ironic about the Naruto series, was that it seemed that almost every main plot focused sensei's favorite student ended up betraying them. Hiruzen/Orochimaru, Jiraiya/Nagato, Minato/Obito, and Kakashi/Sasuke. Not sure why Kishimoto wrote them like that, just thought it was ironic that he wrote so many senseis having their favorite student betray them.
I thought Kakashi was minato favorite not Obito.
@@Skuraablossom W
Kakashi was like a college art teacher who just gives you assignments with vague instructions and gets paid six figures to drink coffee.
"Sometimes the best way to help yourself is to help someone else" fits really well here... or at least would have if Kakashi actually did something with those kids xD
How about keeping them alive during the zabusa mission? If it wasn’t for him they’d be dead.
Now I'd like to know - how would it have gone if Kakashi actually trained them seriously and truly made them into the Team 7 we all imagined
Team 7 would be OP or at least kinda close to it. Even if we take away Shadow Clone Training because that came way later, Naruto IS a fast learner with the right motivation. Sakura also just needs the right motivation and Sasuke is a nutjob when it comes to training anyway.
I think Kakashi had every ounce of potential to be the best sensei Team 7 could've hoped for. All 3 members needed a serious reality check about themselves and their goals as ninja, something a less myopic sensei would've taken action on. Naruto formed his nindo based on something he learned from an enemy; do you mean to tell me that Kakashi, with all the loss in his life, couldn't impart the importance of protecting those you hold dear? Sasuke needed to realize that revenge would be hollow if he had nothing to go home to after. His only goal was Itachi, yeah I know he SAID he wanted to revive his clan; but given his behavior, how likely was it that the Uchiha clan under him would end up any better than they were before? Sakura... did the girl have an identity beyond a foul temper, book smarts, and being a fangirl? Even if Kakashi took a greater interest in her skills, would she get invested in those teachings or would she hold herself back to avoid getting better at something than Sasuke, thus making him hate her or something? Fix a lot of those issues and you give them much better chances for survival
Sasuke needed mental help, and to learn more versatile tactics than a technique that all but drains him dry. Kakashi not teaching him something from every element once the boy's Sharingan awoke is practically a crime! Naruto learned a high rank forbidden jutsu in a night before becoming a genin; and everyone still treats him like he's braindead. How hard would it have been for Kakashi to say "Y'know Naruto, whatever your clones learn, you'll learn when they pop"? That wouldn't solve all of Naruto's problems, but it would give the kid a way to start filling gaps in his knowledge base while otherwise learning from his supposed sensei! That no one told him that until Shippuden is freaking ludicrous! I can only put it down to one of these reasons why Kakashi failed as a teacher:1) The emotional trauma mentioned in the video left him unable to really impart the kind of teaching his students needed. 2) He was so wrapped up in the past that he expected his student to react as he and his team would have in the same situation, totally forgetting that his students come from very different circumstances. 3) Pure, disgusting, laziness and apathy. That or a kind of selective blindness to the faults in his teaching methods.
Absolutely beautiful analysis on kakashis character, I Love his character but aa a sensai he was horrible, he gave both sasuke the best and worst treatment, He didn't teach sasuke other jutsus especially knowing sasuke can copy jutsus like him, sasuke literally copied lee for example, he only taught sasuke a killer technique but then yelled at sasuke for using his counter to narutos rasangen, neglected naruto completely and looked at him as a baby brain even tho in the haku arc he was impressed by the ninetails, and when i say he neglected naruto times that by 109 for sakura, something off topic is why he read so much doujins but didn't get a girlfriend, he really let his past anchor him so hard that he neglected everyone and was hypocritical, he says choosing a mission over friends makes u scum yet he chooses training over his students feelings, he doesn't even talk to sasuke about his introduction in the literal third episode, lets sasuke and naruto live alone in misery even tho hes aware of it, i already ranted about his horrible treatment to sasukes emotional feelings in another thread but u also covered it perfectly in a summary, and he acted like sakura wasn't there, what a wasted character, sasuke had too much on his mind to ask kakashi about jutsu variety he focused on taijutsu, basic techniques, ninja tool usage as we saw multiple times and he taught himself all that fancy wired kunai stuff, all kakashi taught him was wall run and chidori, he taught him a technique that uses so much chakra but this samw guy told sasuke to watchout for the curse mark consuming chakra, same technique that is meant for killing and he taught that to a kid with high hatred for revenge, Not more to need to say regarding kakashis horrible treatment to sasuke, naruto was out of the picture and luckily found jiraya, and jiraya was useless in the timeskip but specifically in part 1 he was amazing, tsunade was blunt in her neglect and also attitude towards naruto while kakashi wasn't, thats why it seems like kakashi cares, and again he quite literally acted like sakura didn't exist, im no fan of sakura, especially Shippuden, but in part 1 i understood where she was coming from, not close with her parents, she was good with chakra control and studied, idk why she was rude to naruto that was dumb although i will say naruto acted like a very annoying idiot, sakura seemed like the type to follow the crowd and I wont blame sasuke for it but he never really told her to ease about it although he did say shutup your annoying twice, it was actually kakashis job to make them bond, look at might guys team for example or asumas.. literally all the slice of life scenes of team 7 is filler, my guy couldn't even offer to show them his face without the mask in the non filler he hid away from everybody, he was too prideful to talk to sasuke about the sharingan because clearly sasuke adjusted to it better..Kakashi tried killing zabaza but accidentally killed haku, haku showing they were a tool and not a person, kakashi sees this and then still treats his students the same way zabaza treated haku, how messed up is that, especially seeing narutos passionate speech, or sasukws attempted suicide to save Naruto, or Sakura crying for sasuke, kakashi was more sad for haku than his own team, and the final panel in part 1 when kakashi picks narutos fainted body in the final valley, while it looks hard and is super epic and beautiful, kakashi only blames Himself for being too late but not that its all his fault to begin with, the fact yamato is with team 7 at the beginning SHOWS kakashi does not give a damn, but the topic is so subtle in the show its so hard to reflect and be like was kalashi bad? cuz the show never talks about that and its actually a very interesting topic, makes kakashi more dislikable but also makes him more interesting, issue in shippuden is kakashi never really has dialogue about it, imagine one day him feeling sorry for himself or team 7 and saying the mistakes to sakura and naruto and how hes sorry he failed them, how he left naruto and sasuke to live alone, let sakura crush on sasuke and neglect naruto even tho thats what happened to obito, not bond with sasuke about the trauma or feelings and ignore narutos whole history of being outcasted, kakashi was pit up with two of the most tragic characters in the academy and treated them like they were surface level like kiba, like they were normal when they weren't, and he just left Sakura in the dust, now sasukes character writing in shippuden especially after tobi tells him the truth, is another topic, and narutos writing in shippuden as well even sakura, but speaking of kakashi his positive qualities outshine the negative i still love the death he had in the pain arc even tho i wanted him to win, his hair without the headband is beautiful and he's also a great ninja, and to see him die for choji was beautiful, at that moment i forgive him for his sins, but then he gets a cheesy revive, and is in the war arc and kage summit and shows how much he doesn't care about sasuke and also gets obitos eyes and blue susano and i hated everything about it, and the fact he smiled when team 7 got back together like he deserved to see it, when all he wanted to do was kill sasuke and neglect Sakura and naruto was crazy...
I always write long comments about topics like these, damn
I love Kakashi but I have always thought, that if I acted like Sakura in front of any of my teachers, they would've scolded the shit out of me and have increased my homework .. why did he never do that ?
Hiruzen forced Kakashi into teaching to regain his humanity. Protecting Naruto could help him overcome failing to protect Kushina and Minato. I imagine Hiruzen thought that Kakashi having a Sharingan would benefit both Sasuke and Kakashi for having lost their families. In Kakashi's defense, aside from her parents, Naruto is pretty much the only one who hasn't abandoned Sakura at some point. Ino briefly abandoned her when they were children, and even Naruto called her out on her lie.
Wouldn't have been the first time the old man, ironically, didn't see the forest for the trees.
Hiruzen hoped that it would work and it did, just not right away
Sakura's parents bullied her in the genjutsu world movie.
@alex52043 at least Sakura had parents
That scene of Kakashi talking to Sasuke while the was tied up in the tree never sat right with me. All other sensei were like parental figures and highly respected by the kids, but Kakashi was never able to connect with any of the kids in his team. He lost everyone, I know but so did Sasuke and Naruto and still Kakashi wasn't capable to relate to their pain. And Sakura wasn't even in his radar.
He is the best character but has flaws himself, He is emotionally unavailable. He never married nor had any kids... He was this prodigy in such a young age and sasuke was the only one he was interested in to train... but after all that trauma he just couldn't emotionally connect with anyone on a deeper level. I mean I am on the 95th episode so what do I know 😅
I'm currently watching Naruto(at ep 16) and I've kind of noticed this already with the fact that he just left Sakura to do completely nothing while Sasuke and Naruto train. He himself states that Sasuke and Naruto have some amazing potential and completely ignores Sakura, and when she had an opportunity to learn more he just lays back and keeps paying attention to the students that intrests him. I'm still keeping in mind that I've only watched a tiny portion of the series but yeah.(also is Sakura gonna do anything? She's stood still for the past 16 episodes)
Not gonna lie Guy did teach TenTen more than Kakashi taught Sakura. She might’ve not put up with Guy and Lee shenanigans she did learn the “better than yesterday “mantra . I still use that phrase to this very day.
I would also like to add that Sakura had an affinity for earth style jutsu, and Kakashi had a least two know earth style Justu’s (Head hunter and earth wall) during part 1 he could’ve taught her
This video is an eye opener lol. Never even thought of it this way. With that in mind, do you think you could do a video restructuring all of the teams? Like taking the Konoha 13 and assigning them to different teachers that would make them much stronger and better as a 3 man team
good idea i think this would be interesting to see
I’ve always thought Kakashi was not that good of a Sensei.
Wow. Looks like he actually listened to you lol.
i still remember that line when kakashi told naruto " i don't have time to deal with you, naruto". i always looked some type of way after that.
Man you are spitting nothing but facts. I’ve said many times that if Kakashi actually told Sasuke his life story and the lessons he has learned from his experiences, I really feel like he would have been able to get through to Sasuke. This includes how he got his sharingan and what it symbolises for him, the fact that he actually worked alongside Itachi in the anbu just to show that he has a personal investment in Sasuke’s wellbeing etc. There is so much Sasuke wouldn’t know about his clan so even hearing stories about other members would solidify their relationship as sensei and student.
Even if he can’t stop Sasuke from pursuing Itachi, he should have at least been able to keep him in the village (yes I know that the curse mark made Sasuke more subservient to the will of Orochimaru, but it’s unclear how much of an impact that really had given that Kakashi had partially sealed it away. I think it’s pretty clear that meeting Itachi again was the main reason he sought Orochimaru out after seeing the power disparity.
Likewise with Naruto, I really think Naruto would have benefitted from knowing Kakashi’s life story, including the fact that his sensei, the 4th Hokage, is Naruto’s father. Re-assure Naruto that he is capable of achieving his dream if he remembers what’s important, and then teaches him a variety of useful jutsu including changes in chakra nature; him not knowing that until shippuden is criminal. It’s also kinda wild that Kakashi knew the rasengan the whole time and never used it, nor thought it would be a good jutsu to teach, yes it’s pretty advanced, but there’s no harm in demonstrating it to give Naruto something to focus towards.
And finally Sakura. Teach her ANYTHING. Any kind of offensive jutsu would be nice. Maybe tell her details about Naruto and Sasuke to help her understanfing the burdens they hold. She came from a non-shinobi, 2 parent household, and it clearly made her incapable of understanding the cutthroat nature of the world she was stepping into. Just do way more to guide her growth as a kunoichi.
In terms of combat, he is probably the most consistently impressive jonin across naruto. But as a sensei, bottom tier.
I love how this lowkey served as a “Why Guy is the BEST Sensei in Naruto” video as well lmao. I still roll my eyes at the scene where Guy suggested that Squad 7 wait a year before promoting to Chunin (like his squad did), only for Kakashi to cheekily imply that Guy was just too big a coward to send them into the exams right after graduation 😒. Team Guy should’ve served as a great example for what Team Kakashi had yet to become: a “talentless” maverick, traumatized genius, and no-name kunoichi putting their differences and lack of shared experienced aside in order to become greater than the sum of their parts.
That said, Team Guy also could’ve worked as a cautionary tale for Kakashi. What happens when you encourage your passionate student to sacrifice his own body to prove a point (even if it’s profound)? What happens when you don’t address the trauma of your student because “he’s a genius so he’ll figure it out eventually”? What happens when you give your kunoichi a specialty but leave her unable to stand on relatively equal footing w/her teammates? It wouldn’t even be a means of slandering Guy and his teaching methods, but rather to force Kakashi to look at himself and genuinely ask, “What will I teach these kids, and will I take responsibility for the consequences?”
Thank you for making this video cuz I’ve been thinking the same way about this man for over a decade 🤣.
I agree he wasn't the best teacher, but watch the land of waves arc and you can see how important he was for Naruto's emotional development as a person and Ninja
I’d argue that was majority Haku and Zabuza
@Tyr that’s bullshit
Still doesn't change the fact that he abandoned his pupil in a world where it was imperious for ninja kids to know jutsus in order to defend themselves.
But at the same time he allowed them on that mission, and allowed them to continue after it got upgraded once, while being massively under prepared
@@GoneGYT watch the episodes again. They had no choice but to continue with the mission
The genin power levels where completely all over the place as one would expect. It's a pretty low bar.
For example Gaara or Rock Lee could have easily taken on the weaker 90% coming at them together alone.
Those kids were monsters.
Rock Lee is a beast.
What was all over the place everyone who was a threat was hyped up
@@Axel-ye8tt exactly.
They did specifically state in both the anime and manga that genin will show the most difference in power
It's been pointed out many times in fanfiction that Kakashi didn't have the typical journey to his current rank and that he might not know how exactly to train anyone who isn't already an established Ninja. He doesn't know what the academy teaches exactly and doesn't know if academy students are made aware of any resources that may be available to them.
Also, a single line from Kakashi could have jumpstarted Naruto's shadow-clone training before shippuden. That line being "Everything your shadow clones learn, you learn as well" (we, as the audience know why this popped up when it did. Because Kishimoto needed a way to stop the "The show should be renamed Sasuke for how much focus he gets" meme)
What makes this a thousand times worse is kakashi knew who Naruto's father was he knew that he was the son of the fourth hokage and he still treated him like the redheaded stepchild
Kakashi was incredibly close to Minato so close that not only could he have been a mentor to Naruto but a older brother figure, instead he had little to no interaction until he became his pupil only by force of Hiruzen and Guy by proxy, would’ve given them both a family and someone to learn and bounce of emotionally
This is very similar to how in dragon ball, Goku knows spirit bomb, and kaioken and never bothers to teach anyone else these techniques. All those abilities he did know could help the z fighters so much, but ended up leaving them in the dust. Hell, even just the kaioken for Gohan with potential unleashed or his beast mode would of been amazing. Spirit bomb would of been amazing to have, Vegeta's new techniques would help the other z fights so much more. It's a shame.
If I'm not wrong all of those who died before Goku arrived to fight Nappa learnt kaioken when they met north kaio
@@IdaraFeka King Kai didn’t teach any of them the Kaioken, mainly the others outside of Piccolo were probably too weak and it would have been broken on Piccolo
@@PumaPants248 oh yeah? well it's been a while since I watched that saga. Probably should do it
@@IdaraFeka Imagine Kaioken with Namekian regeneration though, the show would have been called Piccolo after that
@@PumaPants248 omg yes. piccolo would be skipping right to buu no need to worry about the others💀
Kakashi could've taught Sakura the rasengan because he knew she was great at Chakra control
She don't have that much chakra to spam rasengan
@@yathishb7954 I think he meant that as a joke.
She'd pass out
"Kakashi-sensei, how do I learn this technique?" "Uh...I dunno, just, like, be gifted and talented."
Fairly late, but I think the issue was that kakashi was always a loner and just expected them to improve on their own. He lacked the social skills, team work. Understanding of development that the other team leaders gained through their normal every day lives by understand their teams weaknesses and strengths. I feel like kishimoto was just unaware of how to show the education so it got off screened.
Idk if it's right to blame Kakashi for Sasuke leaving the village. I think Kakashi was trying to help Sasuke with his own experiences in mind, and never in Kakashi's mind did he ever think to leave the Leaf Village. I think Kakashi may have felt that was an extreme that Sasuke wouldn't take. The other thing that isn't considered in this video is that after Orochimaru's invasion and the death of Hiruzen, the village was short on elite ninja staff, so Kakashi was going on other missions on behalf of the village at this time on top of his duties as a sensei, and as the strongest non-Anbu Jonin in the village with a specialty in tracking, Kakashi was probably sent on several A-class or S-class missions by himself. Now, Sakura's state going into the Chunin exams was 100% Kakashi's fault.
Yes, I also don't think Kakashi should be blamed for Sasuke leaving the village. Itachi would do anything like literally anything to grow Sasuke's Sharingan. And, that much hatred would eventually let Sasuke find Orochimaru for power. There was nothing Kakashi could've done here unless he could directly make Sasuke stronger than Itachi which was impossible.
Am pretty sure his the strongest jonin period
@@Redirectingtosomeonewhocares That depends on if we consider the Sannin as Jonin or not. The Sannin are not kages (well until Tsunade becomes hokage), but if the Sannin count as elite Jonin of the leaf, Jiraya could definitely defeat Kakashi. Otherwise, yes Kakashi is probably the strongest Jonin in the world at that point.
@@Mixman86Page see, this is something that has always bothered me. Kakashi was jonin at age 12. Then he joined anbu. Kakashi IS just as powerful off screen as the sannin. His father was the same. Yet onscreen kishimoto nerfs him to make others look good.
Kakashi should not have lost to Itachi. He was never weaker than him. Zabuza fought a full jinjuriki and lived plus he escaped all the loyal ninja going after him. Zabuza was extremely powerful. Zabuza didn't have a partner when he attacked Yagura.
Kakashi was able to stand up against him.
The Akatsuki (including Itachi) all have pairs to go after the jinjuriki. And I'm supposed to believe that Itachi is more powerful than Kakashi? Give me a break.
When they all introduced themselves and sasuke said his only dream was to kill Itachi and Kakashi didn't talk to him about it I knew it was over.
I also think Kakashi gave sasuke that lecture at the worst time ever because sasuke had just seen Itachi again and had to watch his clan die again and Sasuke realized Itachi was only there for Naruto and add all that to him seeing Naruto had gotten stronger and him feeling like he wasn't getting stronger Kakashi giving him that lecture couldn't have come at a worst time.
Even if the Sound 4 didn't attack I don't think the lecture wasn't gonna change the mindset that Sasuke had for like the last 6 years I think killing itachi was just one of those things that Sasuke had to do.
I agree fully, sasukes writing objectivly showed that he was justified and also kakashi was a horrible sensei, and almost person, the neglect he gave sasuke was insane, i think the positive attributes about him like his design, voice, ninja skill, and laid back personality is why hes likable, but yet he has 0 emotional intelligence, has 0 hobbies and is addicted to doujin novels but doesn't have the balls to ask out a woman possibly, never self reflected and couldn't process the idea that his friends dying was not his fault, if he couldn't even use strength to help himself he shoulda atleast used whatever strength he had left on them but he didn't, and he showed 0 care for any of them, even did nothing knowing naruto and sasuke both live alone in seperate houses..only people there for sasuke were the sound 4, even if they thought orochimaru might absorb him, or sakura, but naruto and kakashi were selfish, i truly believe kakashi did not care about sasuke but just did his job to have his student win the chunin exams maybe even to show off vs guy, but he didn't care about sasuke at all or any of the team 7 members
Instead of giving that lecture, he should have told Sasuke that it's okay to feel that way , it's okay to kill an enemy , but getting stronger way too fast can harm him and he needs something else to look forward to after the revenge . Kids don't like to hear "you're 100% wrong " , but " your feelings are valid and natural" works better .
I agree he's a bad teacher, but there's an in-universe reason. Team 7 was literally his first team of Genin, he had no experience actually teaching prior.
Though he's also the person who failed every prior team, so he had plenty of chances to get experience prior but turned them down at every chance...
That is kinda true but i don't think you need any extra experience, if you have a 3 men squad then i think it's pretty clear you should teach each of them at least something.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 Exactly.
Kakashit didn't need no experience to teach a ninja prodigy in chakra control a at least a few jutsus .
Kakashi really let his untrained genin take the chuunin exams. Left to the wolves. Probably the most irresponsible thing he did.
That's why Gai is the goat, also he offered emotional talk to his students too, like how when Neji lost it and attacked Hinata with intent to kill back in the Chunin Exam? Gai jumped in, stopped him, told him Neji promised not to let this head branch thing get to his head. He was so involved. Physically & emotionally. Kakashi? Eh...
Oh and encouraging the rivalary between the two Tyke bombs was fricking brilliant too
"Kakashi is in the top three"
Kakashi literally being the fifth in the poll results be like:
I completely agree with your arguments. And it did help that after Garaa's rescue mission, Yamato was the new sensei, who really did a great job directing Naruto, Sakura and even Sai's actions.
Even In Boruto he is still been left forgotten.
Naruto wanting the Ramen guy to be his dad at the wedding is hilarious😂😂😂
But I can see Naruto choosing him over Kakashi.
This reminds me of a saying along the lines of a great player isn't always a great coach.
I really enjoy the spotlight this video put on Asuma though, that he not only instilled lessons to make his students better shinobi, but lessons to make them better people.
One thing you didn't mention (or I missed it) is the seal that Ororchimaru placed on Sasuke during the Chunin exam. Isn't it supposed to be a sort of slow brain-washing technique ? It's also the only technique that beat Talk no Jutsu... There is no way Kakashi could beat that
orochimaru's curse marks work like a "taste of power" thing, corroding the mind of those branded by effectively drugging them.
Yeah, I think having Kakashi give his team Minato flashback before Sasuke gets taken by the sound ninjas and then having it be a real kidnapping and Sasuke going literally power drunk from the release of power from the curse mark after being in the box for the chase and that causing his fight with Naruto. Also, Sasuke fainting after starting to walk away, knowing that his battle with Naruto made him a rogue ninja, and then Orochimaru taking him away. But staying long enough for Kakashi to see Orochimaru but deciding he had to save Naruto and wait to get Sasuke for later would've been far more favorable for Kakashi's (and Sasuke's) development, and made Orochimaru feel just that much more evil and menacing.
It’s pretty much a drug you keep going back for
I always hated the fact we never got to see kakashi actually get to train and grow with team seven and you can argue he wasn’t ready to lead team seven because he literally failed everyone before so he doesn’t know how to lead a team
exactly! it makes me wonder if his bell test is actually an outlier and if other genin senseis actually took the time to train new genin before deciding if they should be sent back to the academy or not. like if any of the other teams had taken the bell test as their intro to being a genin, most of them would've failed too (i think shikamaru would've at least seen through it and gotten choji and ino involved somehow)
There’s an argument that Kakashi’s humility and willingness to let his students learn from the various masters they met along their lives makes him a great teacher, he set the 3 of them down the right path and when he saw that he would only hold them back he let them go accomplish great things
It’s not an argument I would make but it’s there
I forget did he play a role in setting them up with the sannin (sans orochimaru)? Because if so bonus points, iirc it wasn't even his idea to be a teacher so Kakashi knowing his shortcomings and making connections is of value
@@DandDgamer He didn't really help with that. He originally pawned Naruto off on Ebisu then ran into Jiraiya while under Ebisu's tutelage. Sakura went to Tsunade of her own accord.
@@adamschaenzer6941 Ebisu was reputated to be a great teacher in the Leaf. Jiraiya and Kakashi had already discussed letting Jiraiya took over Naruto's education before Naruto "accidentally" meeting him, and Tsunade said that Kakashi had praised Sakura'skills to her prior to Sakura asking Tsunade to be her mentor (it was why Tsunade agreed to take Sakura as an apprentice).
EXACTLY my point!
I don’t think Sasuke going to a Orochimaru is “the right path”. And he didn’t send them to those teachers. Jaraiya approached Naruto, and Sakura went to Tsunade. Plus, it’s not like he taught them a bunch of things, and then sent them on their way. You can’t be a teacher, not put any effort into teaching, refer the students to other people, and then call yourself a good teacher. That’s ridiculous.
Great analysis over all, I just have a few objections. First, the tree climbing exercise allowed Sakura to hold her own against Ino, by making her use chakra to boost her speed in combination with her clones. It is also a great exercise to teach Naruto as he struggles with the basics.
When it comes to Naruto, he correctly identified that his biggest source of motivation was his rivalry with Sasuke and used it several times to fuel Naruto's growth to great effect.
Kakashi did not simply teach Sasuke the chidori because of favoritism. He correctly identified that Sasuke would be drawn to the power of the curse mark and that he needed to teach him something big to convince him to rely only on his own strength.
Also, his speech to Sasuke seemed fairly effective and letting him on his own to reflect on it was the correct strategy, he was just unfortunate that the sound 4 screwed everything up.
The comparison to Guy's team is unfair. Neji was not convinced by Guy, but mostly by a combination of Naruto and his father's letter. Sure, Guy taught more to his team than Kakashi did, but he had a full year of relative quiet with normal missions to teach them in ideal circumstances. Kakashi had almost no time before the chunin exam, and he spent a lot of that time recovering in bed. After the exam and the attack on the village, he was on important missions all the time. Then, his pupils just left, so it's not like he had a lot of time to teach them.
Basically, he sure could have done a much better job, but there are a few attenuating factors
Im not here to respond to the other info u put down but specifically the speech, kakashi was 100% wrong in what he did only good thing was his original intention, lets dissect
He scolded Sasuke for using a jutsu of killing intent yet naruto did the same and kakashi said nothing, He said forget about revenge which is actually a really brain dead and ignorant statement, in general but especially someone damaged and justified like sasuke, makes everything all that worse, then didn't really relate to sasuke all he said is he lost people, doesn't make things better, sasuke didn't just lose people its how he lost them, to his brother, his brother thats still alive and tortured sasuke a second time, sasuke saw itachi not just as someone he needs to get revenge on but also as a threat, clearly the leaf are usleess, Sasuke probably expected itachi to come back for round 3, then the curse mark thats just hindering sasukes abilities, kakashis only idea was seal and restrain it which is pointless, ankos a trash ninja with a restrained curse mark that hinders her why would sasuke wanna be that, only option was orochimaru, jiraya is stronger than orochimaru, they easily coulda set up SOME typa meetup for a solution on this curse mark, orochimaru even made a deal with tsunade for healing his arms, kakashi doesn't even teach sasuke other copied jutsus, rock lees kick is something he did before the training and then all he did was i guess copy rock lees speed during the training which isn't even Kakashis idea, anyways so not only is kakashis talk brain dead, the sound 4 jump and beat sasuke and even they are more convincing than kakashi, that should tell you enough, if kakashis conversation was actually not stupid, then sasuke woulda just saw the sound 4, as these punks who are slaves to orochimaru, he woulda yelled so kakashi can save him, but he was quite and related to them, and saw them as people who took advantage of orochimaru, kakashi failed as a sensei, even someone like might guy who has no jutsu, if sasuke was under him in part 1 with mastery of hidden gates and the high speed, sasuke would be insane plus the sharingan, even jiraya would be a better teacher
@@IIIISaieh naruto was going for the kill Sasuke was
Exactly! Kakashi wasn’t just in charge of them. He was also probably the #1 junnin of the entire village and had to do a lot of overtime. Being in charge of those 3 was more like a special mission than just becoming their sensei. The villages jinchuriki plus the last uchiha promising to be as good as Itachi, plus the most skilled at chakra control student on paper… seems to me that it was a special mission more than a random daily assignment. Too many things at stake. Plus no time for rest.
Also remember that Naruto had that seal and couldn’t really control his chakra until Jiraiya removed it! So trying to teach him a lot of jutsu was probably not easy.
Kakashi? The man who read pornography in front of his students a bad teacher? Naaaah
kakashi got the saddest life happenings in naruto but still he was never corrupted.
He did get corrupted, he killed a lot of people even if they forfeited
Not even close . Kimimaro, Itachi, Gaara, Tsunade, Sasuke, Karin and Nagato had it worse than him.
naruto had it worse
@@alex47775 L
He had the worst life followed by Gaara,Naruto,Itachi and then Konan....
@@KrishSingh-wd2yn As expected from a Kakashi fanboy simp .
Literally, I had never realised this at all. My POV about Kakashi is changed, substantially.
As opposed to Guy who taught Neji and Ten Ten push ups and Kurenai who taught Hinata, Shino and Kiba... something, I hope or Asuna that taught Ino, Shikamaru and Choji... barbecue and smoking. What I'm saying is that the student-teacher relationships in Naruto are severely lacking, not only in team 7 (which is the best developed for obvious reasons), but in all other teams as well.
Exactly. And if anything, the academy is to blame the most.
Guy is definitely a worse teacher then kakashi
Tenten is the most useless character in the verse and neji is dead ...
Least all of kakashi's people are alive
@seanhutt4621 But both of those things are due to kishimotos bad writing - Neji and Lee were intended to both die wayyyyy earlier but they got too popular so they would not let them kill either character off during the retrieval arc.
@@seanhutt4621They did tenten dirty in Shippuden, but pre Shippuden she was a way stronger ninja than Sakura. I'm not saying she was the best(her moveset just isn't great in comparison to the rest of them) but at least she had a moveset. Sakura pre Shippuden had copy Jutsu, and her intellect, and good Chakra control. Each of these things can be good, but they need an actual fighting style and some kind of focus. Copy Jutsu just isn't good in comparison to other Jutsu, her intellect puts her only at barely above average pre Shippuden, and Chakra control while can be very extremely useful, is useless when pretty much the only Jutsu you know is copy Jutsu...
@@samthesalamander8726 she was barely stronger
Kakashi lost all 3 of his students to the Legendary Sanin due to neglecting them.
He taught Naruto & Sasuke more than he ever taught Sakura.
just sasuke
Considering he knows the Shadow clone Jutsu, he really has no excuse. He could have spared a clone or two to give the training Sakura and Naruto needed. Even at low chakra in the waves mission, he was able to produce around 10 no problem. The Show even points out the Jutsu in question is great for doing different things at the same time with a good example is in SHippuden. When Naruto commented about Looking left and right at the same time, he simply used a shadow clone to point out how it's possible. This gave him the opportunity to give all three personal instruction if he really didn't feel like giving group training.
To be honest, having to be the sensei of the Uchiha survivor, full of hatred and the Kyuubi jinchuuriki is a lot for one person to deal with.
Blah blah let’s not make excuses or kakshi’s failure as a teacher
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Kakashi would honestly be right at home as a proctor with the likes of Ibiki or Anko. None of them really have what it takes to connect with young students especially on an emotional level, but they wouldn’t need to do that as examiners. I honestly didn’t think we’d see Kakashi much again after the bell test when I first watched the series, and I was just as surprised as team 7 to see him made their sensei.
Nick I love you man😂😂😂 Kakashi did the opposite of teachers that go to hood schools to help the underprivileged..he literally said “ok…come on” 😂😂😂
Aight the part where you said “he probably would’ve brought the ramen guy” got me lol
I got to disagree that the other teachers did any better than Kakashi in preparing their students the chunin exams. Most of the other Konoha 12 sololy used their clan jutsus and tactics. The closest to preparing the students was Guy and even that is lacking. That is mostly because of the work he did with Lee teaching him iron fist style and 8 gates and giving his team an extra year to grow. He did next to nothing for Tenten besides teaching her the sealing stuff for her weapon. Throwing accuracy was something taught at the academy.
Bro he gave trained every one ,that's why it took one year ,it's true rest of them used Thier clan justu ,but kakashi can teach sasuake how to use his eyes or they shown us kakashi trains his team ,he didn't trained them based on what they are good like other did ,he did a great job in helping Naruto to create wind style rasgegan only if he did it earlier
@@yathishb7954 I was talking about the Chuunin exam prep so the wind style rasengan has no value. Kakashi only trained Sasuke for this event. My point the only konoha jounin that trained his students for the exam was Guy. And he only barely did anything that would be noticeable from stuff they could learn from the academy. That would be sealing weapons (Assuming this couldn't me learn from the academy.) for Tenten and the taijutsu style for Lee.
@@ExodaCrown yea it's seems kakashi never thought anything to his squad
Another thing one should look at is when he taught treewalking, he taught it during the first mission outside of the village, but that seems like a very basic skill (basic enough that I'm surprised it's not taught in the academy) and something that didn't need much time to teach. It should have been something he should have shown on the first day and tell them to preactice it on their own after they did their missions for the day.
By the time they left for Wave, they probably could have already started with water walking and he could have done everything else the exact same way he did in canon.
Quite frankly during the mission was probably a horrible time to teach tree walking, even if they expected Zabuza to be out for a few days, they still should have expected others to be sent after the bridge builder, that's not exactly the time where Sasuke and Naruto should have done exercises that left them rather exhausted each day.
I would say the Hokage knew that that's why they put him with a bunch of failures with potential. He was a bad teacher but was skilled enough to handle most of what came his way.
17:44 5* Fukasaku and Bee were the ones to really make him someone. Naruto learned the shadow clone jutsu alone, with Jiraiya the rasengan and summoning jutsu, then on the time skip just a slightly bigger rasengan, with Kakashi the rasenshuriken, with Fukasaku Sage Mode and frog Kata and with Bee KCM1.
We can’t even blame kakashi for being a bad sensei as he isn’t a councillor, and he’s like one of the lone wolves after their pack has fallen, he has no care in the world for anyone else except the people that have somewhat experienced what he has
in my head, nick listens to the music that he puts into his video while speaking haha
I'll give him this he had a pretty unbalanced team like no other (in terms of power)
Naruto barely knew the basics and had average at best taijutsu but was still at least chunnin level with chakra levels that were monstrous
Sakura was incredible below average with chakra control being her only good point
And then there was Sasuke someone who was mid to high level already knew advanced moves and has a unique ability that he also had
I know the teams were made to balance out the best with the worst but he really had it rough with two of his students if they never went to some of the strongest people in the worst to train would have been average at best (not counting 9 tails stuff for Naruto) while the last had one of the brightest path to being one of the strongest in the village
I feel like Kakashi should've went a similar route like Kurenai, and decide to focus the team in specializing in something. Team 8 was trained to specialize in recon and information gathering based off of their abilities, while Kakashi's Team 7 wasn't really given any particular objective.
Perhaps he should've made them specialize in creating chaos, like Sakura figuring out where to hit the hardest, Naruto just creating chaos and making the enemy's life miserable, and Sasuke being the one specialized in assassinating or taking out the power targets.
Every other team had a sort of theme or goal, except for Team 7, and so they just ended up drifting apart and learning under others.
Guy sensei had it just as bad. But at he tried at least.
Both Lee and tenten were both below average, but Guy trained both of them to at least mid tier.
Kakashi did nothing but focus on Sasuke.
@@Aevum13th Did Guy's team really have much of a gameplan as a team?
@@Pandora_The_Panda Its unclear, though his team seemed to be focused on being skilled with weapons or unarmed fighting. Its unclear how much he did with Neji, but he did work with Ten Ten and Brock Lee quite a bit to make them skilled combatants.
Meanwhile if you look at Team 7, Kakashi helped them learn how to run up a tree, but didn't really impart any other skills or abilities to them other than Sasuke.
As the video mentions, Sakura basically wasn't taught any special skills leaving her a year behind the other teams, and Naruto ended up learning under someone else.
I think the curse mark had a lot to do with sasukes eagerness to leave for more power. You could say that was Kakashi’s fault for letting Sasuke into the chunin exams but that wouldn’t be right because Sasuke was in fact ready for it and it’s not his fault Orochimaru showed up. Nobody knew if I’m remembering correctly that he was there yet .
anko didn't go rogue cuz the curse mark same applies to sasuke, kakashi was just bad at being a good teacher and understanding what sasuke was feeling
@@IIIISai Wrong. Anko didnt go rogue because she isn’t the same type of person as Sasuke. Sasuke was very eager for more power so he could kill itachi and ambitious the curse mark brought that out of Sasuke. The curse mark doesn’t have the exact same effect on everybody.
@@IIIISai He understood exactly what Sasuke was feeling and he couldn’t have told Sasuke anything better than what he did that day in the forest. Only thing he could’ve done was take him down by force and that can’t happen because the story has to progress.
@@jason15212 oh brother, I agree Savin sasuke makes the story not progress but they coulda handled it differently , they coulda had Kakashi with better dialogue, be more understanding, something along the lines of this " Listen Sasuke, Im sorry I neglected you and naruto and even sakura, But i never knew your rivalry stemmed this far, you guys would have blown eachother to bits but atleast naruto has kuruma to heal himself but you wouldn't be hear right now, I haven't taught u much outside of chidori and I understand why you would feel inferior to Naruto right now, but those blasts u see in the water tower, don't prove Naruto is stronger than u, his jutsu focuses on size while yours focuses on precision, and the only reason I'm tying u up right now is because I need to tell u something I should've done before ", Kakashi proceeeds to conversate and have a heart to heart with sasuke, after this he takes him to the ramen shop, he makes up for the neglect she shows sasuke and says he'll do the same for Naruto, but for now he spends time with jiraya, he also brings sakura along, kakashi says he'll talk to naruto and be gone for a minute and this gives sasuke and sakura time to bond outside of missions, where they can be intimate and nothing romantic i mean as comrades and friends, sasuke tells her why he's feeling this way and his history, and sakura tells her and why she behaves the way she does, as for the kakashi talking to naruto it'll be similar to him talking to sasuke, so i wont explain everything, eventually he'll ask jiraya if he can borrow naruto and he'll say sure, so now team 7 is at the ramen shop together, they bond, now u might ask oh wait so this happy ending why would sasuke wanna leave now, it's because it gets late and they all part ways, and sasukes house is the farthest ofc, kakashi even asks sasuke should i walk u home and he says no, so as sasukes walking home after 2mins or whatever far enough distance, an arm covers his mouth and he gets kidnapped and revealed in a location maybe 3mins away, basically similar to how sound 4 jumped him, then they'll explain why he should go with orochimaru like the original story, but this time sasukes even more hostile and at the end they can't convince him, but they tell him they'll comeback in a week to see if he changes his mind, reason why they dont steal him Is cuz orochimaru said make sure sasuke is willingly coming do he can control him, during the week Sasuke keeps getting visions of his brother and his curse mark is acting up, he tries using jutsus and they strain him and he has to go to the hospital again, so for a week sasuke can't even use jutsu while he sees kakashi training team 7 without him, this causes Sasuke deep pain but he won't say anything because he doesn't want to ruin the vibe, anyways eventually the sound 4 come and jump him again but hes at the same location, they jump him to test him a second time but hes weak and can't use any jutsu, so now that sasukes vulnerable they take advantage and try manipluating him but this time sasukes more hesitant but he eventually gives in and they tell him they can fix his curse mark problem with a pill theh have, see there u go I made a fix to Kakashis dialogue and Sasuke still goes rouge but now it's even harder hitting and I didn't mean to write so long though and I do agree with u that anko had different circumstances
Something I think people overlook. Guy doesn't put extra work in to Lee as his teacher.
Guy and Lee are friends. Gym bros. Neji and Ten-Ten go home and Lee and Guy go for a handstand hike for a few days. They are just hanging out, since they enjoy and value pushing their limits, that's what hanging out looks like.
Jiraiya told Kakashi to focus on Saskue since he was the only one able to help saskue, not to mention how Saskue can’t control his curse mark and how he was being chased by a creepy snake. Besides, Jiraiya told Kakashi that he’ll look after Naruto. Besides, in the Saskue retrieval arc, only Kakashi went after Saskue and Naruto after his mission, even though Iruka and Jiraiya were both in the village.