An O-Gauge Steam Engine too BIG for My Layout?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- The Lionel Legacy S1 has arrived and it is HUGE!
Let's take a look at this extraordinary piece this week as we run it around th e layout and see how it stacks up to the Lionel Vision Line Union Pacific Big Boy.
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“That translates to about $11,355,000” hey that’s about Lionels list price!
Awesome engine looks great on your layout!
Lolol- this comment literally made me laugh at loud!
Haha! Great comment. 👍
@@RBPTrains ill take it if its too big
Ha ha
Nah that’s small for Lionel
I found the reason the S1 used an air horn and not a steam whistle. This was a quote I copied from a forum discussion.
"As for why a horn? This loco was barreling between Crestline and Chicago, a region full of "lake effect" fogs and snow squalls, at speeds up to and over 100 mph, and air horns like the one pictured (safe guess it's either a Westinghouse or Leslie, maybe a Leslie A200) punched forward much better at high speeds than a steam whistle. For the same reasons, horns were fitted to the Southern Pacific "Daylight" GS-4's."
I absolutely love the Gs4 air horn, it's so chilling and soulful.
The Hiawathas used a horn too.
The reason for horns are that at very high speeds, a steam whistle is hard to hear so they put air horns for "most" locomotives that travel over 90 mph on a regular basis.
The big boy whistles will always be my favourite whistle sound ever and no one will replace the Union Pacific Big boy.
The Big Boy is such as icon and still reigns as King of the Layout! Thanks for watching!
@@RBPTrains your welcome
what about a J1 potomac whislte or a illinoise central 3 chime? i like those better
@@Graulas yeah but the big boy whistle is better
@@rainierbagatsing1073 everyone's entitled to their own opinion :)
I find it interesting how only 40% of the wheels are driven. That fact seemed to have given the prototype some performance issues. One has to love that Art Deco design, though.
S1 is a stunning beauty , pulling into the station was pure heaven . Big Boy has it all the way when it comes to performance and the whistle sound . Great layout and photography ,thank you
Big Boys whistle still gives me goosebumps I used to hear it every year at the L.A. County fairgrounds in Pomona CA where Big Boy was kept in mothballs until they rebuilt him. It is enormous when I explored it at the fairgrounds RxR museum I never dreamed that it would be brought back to life again so seeing it actually run down the tracks a few times was just amazing a true engineering marvel. Your steam collection is awesome thanks for sharing RBP trains.
Nice!
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The S1 sounds like the kind of whistle you would find out on a logging railroad or something out in the middle of nowhere. the big boy sounds like something you would find out in the king of the railyard, commanding attention to itself
Gordon the Express Engine would be insecure of the Big Boy. *scoff* "he thinks he is royalty, I have pulled the Queen of England!"
@@CassandraPantaristiyeah that’s probably how that interaction would go
That loco is comically oversized. Building it without articulation was an interesting design choice.
It is beautiful though. It looks like it belongs in a vintage Batman comic.
In terms of which I prefer the S-1 or the Big Boy...Big Boy wins hands down. The Big Boy wasn't a failed experiment, it was the culmination of steam locomotive development to that point.
to be completely fair, it was what you said, an experiment. it was used to test duplex locomotive drives and it showed it could be done, and it was perhaps one of the fastest locomotives if rumours are true, however it did come with downsides, it was maintenance heavy and was hard to maintain to, and couldn't operate on some of the pennsy's lines due to being to big, and suffered wheelslip from having like 50% of its weight on the 6 wheel trucks. it was however a supposedly very smooth locomotive, and it became the basis for greater duplex locomotives, known as the Q2 and the T1
Something about its design doesn't and at the same time does appeal to me, i think it's the front that looks weird i guess, something about how its so long and than cuts to that strange front, it looks like a longer streamlined K4, not suprising though, they both were streamlined by Raymond Loewy
oh sorry for talking long, hope you have a nice day or night or afternoon or evening!
Not a failed experiment; an unfinished experiment. The PRR was the leader in coal-steam technology R&D since they were heavily vested in the coal industry. They used duplex tech to reduce the amount of reciprocating mass which was being pushed to the limit with 8 or more drivers linked together. This would've allowed more speed and efficiency than conventional tech with further development. But diesel-electrics were SO much more efficient in every way, it killed any further development with steam, and killed any railroads who hung on too long by investing too much in the inferior technology.
Funny you mention Batman. The S1 was featured in a Batman TAS episode and was also in a Fleischer Superman cartoon (as a 4-8-4).
@@sangheiliwarrior86 cool. I knew it looked like it would fit in Batman.
I love the S1 already, but Big Boy is the epitome of steam in my opinion.
Wow! I am an HO Modeler, but I love trains and I like your presentations. Sixteen years ago, when I was courting my wife, she asked for the Lionel Polar Express in O scale for Christmas. So each year I set up a Halloween Layout with the loco pulling zombies behind it and then for Christmas it runs through our Christmas layout. So I enjoy learning about what Lionel is doing. And once again you are good at what you are doing.
I prefer the S1's whistle. Sounds more like a nice musical instrument. To me the S1s whistle sounds like a Pennsylvania 3 chime which is one of my favorites.
same
To Me It Sounds Like A Crosby 3 Chime
Nice to see a Pennsy loco done so well. It looks a bit like a streamlined K4 Pacific but way more impressive. Is one of the whistles the banshee ? Thanks for sharing.
Chris, the S1 is such a good looking steamer, but the thing about the Big Boy whistle is that it is a howl that sends shivers down your spine. I heard it West Chicago and it could the whistle of a Stephen King steamer that is possessed.
My favorite engine’s will forever be the New York central Hudson’s. With those large driver wheels I think they were the most beautiful steam engine ever made and certainly the most powerful pound for pound.
Great review and little history lesson! I’m an HO guy, but I still love watching O scale running sessions and reviews and it’s such a neat scale! Another fantastic video, Chris!
The second horn and the first whistle are my favorites 💜. I love that whistle! I would call the S1 "America's Bullet Engine."
There was an album mid 1980's called "Hot Tracks" and featured a neon version of the Pennsy S1. The Big Boy's whistle is quite predominant and husky while the S1's seemingly streamlined... but, it also has different versions of whistle and horn.
I like both Big Boy's and S1's sounds... I model HO scale ("Half O" Scale) and have since been spoiled by sound & Dcc locomotives... but I also have straight DC and DC/sound locomotives.
Nice review, by the way. John BC, Canada
The BigBoy is the King! The S1 is an awesome locomotive though. Great run session. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks guys! Hope you are having a great summer. Looks like you have been getting out to see some trains. :)
Love it, love it, LOVE IT!! Fits in with your layout just fine. Such a handsome train set overall. As for the whistle war, Big Boy still reigns supreme, hands down.
I could not believe how big this engine was until I took it out of the box. Big Boy still holds the place as the King of Layout but it is just so much fun running these together!
@@RBPTrains New toys always put a smile on my face no matter how big or small. Happy railing!!
What a gorgeous layout and very realistic setup you have. I enjoyed your video and also watching your excitement of the newest engine you have. Great show.
Thanks for coming back. I found your videos several months back and have grown to look forward for them. Your camera work is profession. Most other videos I have to take a Dramamine because the camera work is so jerky and fast moving. Also, your personality is incredible. You need to be a talk show host with your own show. Your facial expressions and enthusiasm are great. And finally, I have debilitating medical issues and when I'm feeling down and challenged, I pull up one of your videos to cheer me up. So not only have I learned a lot from you but you are also a great therapist! I've got about 2 years left on this old rock so keep those videos coming. Please know all of your work is greatly appreciated! Oh yes, thank your dad for allowing us to see his layout as well. One can see where you get your interest and talent from.
Had a model Lionel train when my brother and I were kids....love watching your videos!
Thanks, Chris, for this awesome view of the S1 on the road! As for whistles, I must say that the Big Boy really sounds 'Big'! But the most iconic whistle sound to me is found in the N&W 611: I can't get it out of my mind!
The big boy whistle sounds fantastic! The S1 looks nice I love the detail on it.
The UP, GN, Milwaukee and the Pennsy had the coolest steam of any roads. Lots of custom innovation out of the Juniata shops. The T1 is my favorite - also a failure but what a great looking machine.
I always find it amazing that the post war railroads experimented with so many locomotive designs and spent so much money only to scrap them a few years later. Today we see locomotives like the SD40-2 still being used daily on class 1s and pushing 50 years in age.
Yes. They had many diesel's too that didn't last long at all. Just couple of years.
@@Ronnymikkonen2686 So it may be just my perception that those pre-war years have some many steam locomotive failures. I honestly don’t model that era, so when I think of diesels, I constantly think of the successes like the EMD F units and the GP/SD series, the GE U-boats and Dash 7s.
Hey Chris, That’s a tough call! They both have amazing iconic whistles sounds. It’s funny, when you went through the different whistle sounds on the S1, one sound sounded very familiar to me. I purchased back in 1997, the first generation TMCC Pennsylvania 238E, 6-18052 which was a remake from the Prewar 238E using the original tooling to make the 1997 model. I have both of them, and it’s such a cool comparison to see them side by side. The whistle sound your S1 made as you were going through the different whistles sounds, has one sound that’s exactly same sound from my TMCC 238E. It put a big smile on my face when I heard that, so I have to go with the S1 whistle.
As an American Flyer guy I’ll always be jealous of the great stuff you Lionel guys get. Great engine five stars for sure!
The S1 led to the development of other Duplex engines that despite all that you heard about the T1 it they weren't failures but just came to little to late to save steam. There was also the Q2 locomotive which was a 4-4-6-4 producing around 8000HP which I believe still holds the record for the most HP produced by a steam locomotive. As someone that loves modeling the Pennsylvania railroad I love this engine and dont care what other people may say about it. It's cool and quirky and not everybody knows about it. I love Big Boys and Challengers but so does everybody else, it doesnt honestly feel special at that point to like them. But that's just my take on it. I hope to get a model like this someday preferably in HO scale but O guage be okay to.
S1 looks and sounds great,thanks for sharing Chris
My first time seeing your site. I love your enthusiasm and love of your trains. Your layout looks great. I will watch more of your site for sure.
If anybody is wondering, the streamlining design for the S-1 was by noted industrial designer Raymond Loewy.
Thanks for sharing your fantastic layout Chris.
The pop off pressure steam effect is awesome. It’s a beast on the tracks
Big boy is too iconic. Hands down my favorite. That S1 is not too far behind. Very nice loco. Good video Chris.
You've done a superb job with the benchwork, the rail planning, the scenery and a fine livery of engines. That S1 really ran smoothly at very slow speed. Really cool. Cheers, Bob
Thank you Bob! It has been a fun project
The S1 whistle all the way! She appeared at the 1939 New York Worlds Fair, where my family saw it running on rollers.
Thanks for another great review both whistles are amazing but the big boy has that deep haunting sound that wins my vote 😃
I really enjoy your enthusiasm as well as Big Boy’s whistle!
I favor smaller engines, my favorite being the PRR’s 4-4-2 Atlantics.
Thank you for sharing your passion for trains!
That is AWSOME! Keep on rolling with your videos!
So amazing just seeing this guy being happy.
I can already see it running on my layout and right off my layout while trying to negotiate my 0-42 curve 🥴 Once lumber comes down in price and I can get to finishing my layout, maybe 🤔 and I do mean maybe (0-54 was the largest I was planning on going) it could crawl around my town 😬 I do think it was neat that Lincoln Motor Co. helped design the engine hehe 😉 It reminds me of their styling back in the day. Once again, Chris, you hit it out of the park and give us a quality video that immerses the viewer into your world. Can’t wait to see you around the bend with another great video ❤️
Looks and runs great on the layout. Appreciate the history on it. Great video as always my friend
Thanks! It just barely makes the curves. Going to do a run session on Dad’s layout since he has the larger O80 curves.
An absolute fav of mine and this actually made the hobby shop guys say it's a beautiful train I have has got to be my Union Pacific 49er and heavyweight coaches by MTH
wow, that thing is massive, I don't think the tender would handle the curves on my layout! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you’re back. Hope vacation was fun. The S1 is an amazing engine. I’d say it was worth the wait you had. Excellent video as usual. Keep it up man, thanks for sharing yet again. Catch you soon. Oh and I appreciate the history lesson.
Tim
Thanks Tim!
Good golly, that S1 is enormous!! Very slick engine, and it looks amazing on the layout!
For the whistle war? Hmm.... I'm still going to have to go with Big Boy. ;)
They are both huge, amazing engines. So much fun! Thanks for watching!
Great locos. Good sounds. The echo effect is fantastic.
Nice video Chris!!! Definitely love the PRR S1 whistle sound. Can't beat a PRR 3 chime whistle!
Wow, I’m new to your channel awesome layout and engines! I think I like the whistle of the Big Boy, although they are both great
I adore those Fleet of Modernism coaches behind the Big Engine! Great video!
I went to the railfans weekend at the Huckleberry Railroad today, I rode the train, saw several train layouts and went on a tour of the restoration shops, and they have a new diesel engine #12
Both sound so good, love it
FANTASTIC!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
That is one beautiful steam locomotive it's a shame it was scrapped after 10yrs of service. It belongs in a museum,love those whistles:)
I myself Love the Big Boy, The S1 is a monster for sure and looks and sounds awesome.
What an awesome piece of machinery🙂
Very impressive locomotive there Chris that must have been a some liquor back in the day it's a shame that a lot of these iconic steam engines or scrapped you are definitely enjoy having that in your fleet 👍👍
Holy crap that steam whistle is AMAZING
That S1 sure is a nice piece. One thing I thought was a typo in the catalogs for Lionel's Big Boys is the size. I have a MTH Premiere Big Boy and it sits at 35 inches. But after seeing you measure the train, that was not a typo after all. The very last whistle on the S1 is my favorite for that engine, it sounds similar the the Legacy Y6 and newer Y3's. But the Big Boy sounds incredible!
Amazing engine! I wish I had curves to run that beast on my layout. Well done review as always!
This thing barely made it around mine! Thanks as always Matt and looking forward to your next vid!
Really Interesting and well presented thank you.
wow! the sounds on electric trains now are just simply remarkable!
That engine looks like a steam version of the Snowpiercer engine from the new TNT TV series. I guess I should say snowpiercer looks like the an electric super advanced Lionel Legacy S1. Cool model layout. My grandpa had a friend who had a nice layout in his attic. I remember waking him up at 4am wanting to go look at the model.
Another excellent video. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. 💙 T.E.N.
P.S. I've always wanted an S-1 or a T-1 to pull my heavyweight Baltimore & Ohio blue and grey express passenger train, which currently uses two heavy 4-6-2 "Pacific" steam locomotives to pull a 23 car train, but my favorite steam locomotive, and one I would put up beside your S-1 and your Big Boy, is a humble little B&O 4-4-4-4 named "George." 💙 T.E.N.
Everyone remembers the Big Boys and the S1 duplex, but I doubt anyone remembers the Kentucky and Tennessee railroad’s big engine. The engine I am referring to is former-Southern Railway Ms class 2-8-2 number 4501. Affectionately known as “The Big Engine” by crews, 4501 was the first 2-8-2 locomotive ever delivered to the Southern railway. 4501 was sold in 1948 to the Kentucky and Tennessee railway, where she gained her nickname. By the time of 1963, the K&T decided to sell 4501, numbered at the time as K&T 12, to Paul Merriman and Robert Soule. Merriman and Soule would go on to found the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in order to properly preserve 4501 and other pieces of railroading history. 4501 operated on several steam excursions from 1966 to 1996, when her fire was dropped for what would seem like the last time. However, in 2014, the Big Engine got a new lease on life. 4501 now hauls regular passenger trains during the weekends, with its smaller sister 630, over the TVRM’s 3-miles of former Southern right-of-way track.
Hi Chris I really enjoy watching your show. Do you have a great layout. I think I like the s-1 steamer over the big boy. Thanks for sharing. I am a regular subscriber to your Channel. Keep the shows coming. They are educational and fun at the same time.
Would’ve been nice to see one of these in preservation. Now if it was in operation that’d be nice but would be a pain in the ass to operate
"One of these" suggests there was more than one. There was only one built.
Nice train and video!
I just found this channel it was in my recommended. glad I did!
Welcome aboard!
@@RBPTrains thanks!
The whistle on the S1 is very nice but there is just something about the big boy's whistle that makes it the best.
I have them both myself. For me the favorite remains the Big Boy. He is simply mighty and his build appeals to the imagination. No other locomotive can smell the Big Boy
Dude that steam engine is fantastic!
That big boy whistle is so accurate, wish that the Lionel daylights had a accurate whistle as well
Great video. That train looks awesome! The Big boy whistle sounds better to me.
Thanks!
I love both . But that S1 so epic wow I love it .
Favorite wissle goes to the S1.
Favorite loco IS the S1. What a thing! Hopefully there is going to be a replica some day.. That would be awsome!
Yes, you're correct.. the tender makes it longer and plus the S1 is streamlined so it has to be slightly longer for the streamlining. Anyways great video!
RBP!!!
James!! Thank you!
That is one bad-ass looking and sounding engine!
Gorgeous!
Thanks your. Lay out. Has great flow . U have fun and get business when u have to . Joebell keep humpin
Both cool in their own right. My favorite is the light pacific 462 k-4-b that run on the Grand Trunk Western
Nice review and video. From what I read the S1 never had a steam whistle but used the same air horn as the famous GG1.
Wow! Just WOW! Awesome!
I’ve gotta say, that Legacy S1 is growing on me! Great video Chris! I’ve subscribed! 😁
Thanks Jay and welcome!
Cool locomotive
Great model train layout !
The driving axles without a flange are interesting.
There is no such thing here.
Greetings from Germany
MAN! That thing IS huge!
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That is a sweet engine 👍😎 very cool video
I’ve always been a bigger fan of the T1 Duplexes than the S1, but man, that engine looks great. I’d pick one up if I wasn’t broke and also running O48 max
That S1. It's a beast.
Fantastic video, but then again, I expect nothing less from you. I myself just purchased a Lionel legacy class A, Norfolk and Western 1218. Now, this is my first large engine and tender, measuring 31 1/4" in length and I refuse to let anyone touch it.
The 1218 is on my bucket list. Congrats Bryan, and enjoy that one! Thanks for watching!
the big boy whistle is my favorite and always will be.
That thing is huge. I like it. Enjoy it 👍
Dude I love your layout and your trains that layout is my dream one same with the Union Pacific big boy
5:07 is my new RBP favorite WHISTLE
That thing is awesome.
Awesome video and monster engine! Love that Big Boy whistle though!
Thanks Chris! I am going to have to bring this one to your layout next along with the Pet Shop Express, haha!
@@RBPTrains YES! I’ll have the kids table set up next time for you!!! Lol
Such a sleek engine. I love it. I prefer the big boy whistle though
Awesome steam engines. I prefer any of the cab forwards myself. Almost like picking who was better......Seaver, Carlton, Gibson etc. All were fantastic.
The S1 is one of my many favorite steam locomotives chris.
Actually you have made me realized I will never have trains that nice.