WHY FWD DRIFTING IS FASTER | sim racing tips
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Tyre wear:hello there
In sim, great idea, fast time
In real life, tires are worn to chords in a lap
@@Nicktheblasian neither in real life neither in the sim. It's overall a bad idea and its slower. With a car that unsersteers on exit you should brake early and point the nose almost over the apex. Forcing an oversteer into an understeer just loses time.
@@FuntimeAG i tested it, it is faster, but not ideal for a race because of tires, only for hotlap or qualifying lap
@@FuntimeAG so what happened in the video
Its something he mentions in the full video
This why i love a slippery rear end on my fwd cars.
Hehe 69th like
Not only in your car...
i put the roll bar way in the back bc i just chuck it in
@@LH44EVER
That would also work 👍
This makes me miss my FWD Mazda 3 rally build so much. I’d take corners in ways people would never understand. I even have videos of it in my channel.
RIP Rocket, you’re very dearly missed
I still really love my 2nd gen Mazda 3, not the fastest but the handling and experience is definitely there
@@nilsdeichert8325 100% agree
@@nilsdeichert8325 Same here. The 2nd gens with a 2.5 are absolutely amazing in the corners and can be a little bit of a menace.
@@eddiehardt1260 @Nils Deichert
You should look into getting Mazdaspeed 3's! Same car same chassis, more power. Loads of fun and yes, the handling is great. :)
@@justinfouts2094 My buddy and I are looking into getting one for a project car that we want to design and build for the track.
i have a friend who 100% believes this is the fastest way to drive. doesnt matter what car, what corner, what track, grip levels, nothing. then had the audacity to be baffled when i beat him on his wheel.
Thats how Shingo drive
Minus double crash manoeuvre
F1 community: Drift Lap time deleted, exceeded track limits
Love the windows 95 boot up remix BGM
Grip is still faster, you just need a more aggressive setup
this is gonna be so helpful for me because I’m used to RWD and being able to use oversteer to get through corners faster
It Is useful in RWD as long as you can regain all traction by the time you are at the apex otherwise all the time you have gained will be lost on corner exit .
@@callumcurtis15 this is why AWD is more flexible and consistent
Flat spots on the rear tires incoming. Lol
Faster while dripping 🥶🥶
It’s whichever method for the particular circumstances/car/conditions/etc that provides the best rotation to get the car straightened out the quickest to slam down the power
Fwd cars are obviously quite understeery so it’s very beneficial to use the hand brake to get the rear out, but also setting it up so the rear feels light and loose massively helps
Just take front swaybar off and add a big rear swaybar , assuming you have a decent suspension, you’ll have more fun and save a lot on tires
Dont use Handbrake, use left foot braking.
He literally explained why he used handbrake instead of foot brake
@@nombom-km7wunot in this video, what he said after “ripping handbrake” could be done with a left foot braking. It’ll break the rear loose and be quicker than handbrake
Was that VTEC kicking in?? 😅
Does VTEC whistle?😂
@@Repented008
Depends on the motor oil level. 😁
It really depends on weight distribution, powertrain, downforce, and how grippy the tires actually are.
I'm sure that awd cars would be better drifting but less of a difference, and rwd cars be better in grip
Rwd cars are better for weight transfer as it relates to rotation yet AWD and FWD are essentially the same with a front bias on the center differential
The word you're looking for is, "dripping". Fresh coat of paint on that ek9
It means you did something wrong in the grip scenario 😅
Depending on the corner and on the car, sliding can be faster, like way faster
@@parpaing_1 yes, but not when you need to countersteer like this.
driting is always faster but for endurance race you'll spend 90% of the time replacing tyres
@@bwedgesNot always. Possibly with minimal countersteer and when the handbrake isn't used (except at a ~180° hairpin), but grip is almost always faster in most scenarios.
@@bwedges because of how friction works, drifting is almost always slower.
That breakcore track in the background though
It's called windows breakcore
W window breakcore song thing
If we are talking about the 1-lap time, drifting surely is better.
But if we are talking a multiple lap race, grip is a must 😂
Isn't the e-brake method the same one Shingo uses?
Yes, it is
Guys the title say sim racing so he didn't reccomend us to try and risking our lives he is just giving us tip to win a racing simulator
This technique is not faster in real life or simulators, It is fun to do in both but is objectively slower to do this versus maintaining grip and an efficient line through a corner.
His example shown in the video is not a particularly good one.
If you sliding through a corner is faster than grip then it is a driver issue.
Also doing this for more than a single lap is a good way to turn your tires into melting octogons.
Vtec kicks in after the inlinement of the apex 😉
Basically, give an FF a setup more prone to oversteer.
Good FF control 👍
The one thing you never say is how do you fully use the handbrake when do you release it & when do you apply throttle that stuff, never heard it and I think it’s hella important
The rear tyres boutta turn into squares
Its the only way to drive em. Lift off oversteer then boots of understeer to get out of the turn..YUMMY!!!!
Is anybody going to mention the editing?its insanely good
ehrrr... set brake bias more towards the rear? maybe?
"10 second penalty for going off track"
I remember it works in forza and gt5
In Gran Turismo 5 trying to get the track record in certain cars requires trying new things like that
left foot braking is what you need if you aren’t faster with grip
Would’ve got a penalty though, rip time save. Good vid btw.
Nextup, Gumtape Deathmatch
Hello flatspots
What was the bgm?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THATS NOT VTEX KICKING IN RAAAAHHHH
Background song?
I need to know it too
Windows breakcore
I think ur referring to rotation
Drifting originated from japenese racers sliding the back of the car out so they could clorner better on the tracks as originally there wasnt things to help with steering
This is why i loved my saturn. Lmao. Too bad it has a glass differential.
Just like Shingo Shoji
Stiffer rear, softer front, more camber on the front, lower front ride height. No handbrake needed, simply lift off.
I'm a 0° camber guy for 100% grip on the fronts while the rear can rotate just as free as it wants to
@@luislongoria6621 if anything for hard grip driving, you want MORE camber on the front than the rear, as the car leans into a corner at high speed you will end up leaning on the outside tyre and having a fuller contact patch, whereas nuetral would lean onto the outside tyre and create positive camber leading to understeer in the extremes.
Best used in combinatoon with a Scandinavian Flick for corners with a Radius of under 90°
If the corner is over 90°, Grip is still faster.
Edit: Realized I recommended the polar opposite of what I meant, sorry
Late corner entry in motor racing usually ends in a jam up if the other party gives no ground and then you're at the back of the field
how df do i drift in the civic is my tune that bad lmao i only drive rwd mostly
Awd power slides >
What about Touge??
Sometimes i use the handbrake softly when understeering as a brake to slow the car down so as to not overload the fronts more. It can do you wonders when trying to save a corner
Pls don’t come at me with brake balance comments lmao
What you are doing is called trail braking, essentially. It slows you down and loads front tires a little bit more, allowing them to grip better
if it would be faster, it would be used in qualifying session fast laps at least
5 second penalty for ocon
Ah finaly some one to tell everyone that drifing is not faster or slower than having grip. its situational.
Initial D style
used my song again lol ❤❤
SHINGO WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG
Exactly
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So rather than ripping the ebrake, would this be faster just using lift off oversteer and slipping it through the corner?
@Novafro Probably difficult to do in that car specifically. Not too familiar with civics but I know older ones really don’t have a stiff rear end that will want to kick out at all naturally. My be wrong but just my guess👍 (Basically car really like front grip a lot)
@@joeykurkul4597 To some degree it depends on setup, but usually a harsh lift with a solid flick, and the rear end will step out.
@@joeykurkul4597 For a while the Civic was actually well known for lift off oversteer. I don't know specifically about the 6th gen Ek9 Type R in the vid, but I had a 7th gen Em2 Ex from 2002 and I can't remember how many times I was pushing it through a corner and the rear came out from liftoff. The EP3 Type R actually had a real problem on the tracks with this, so when Honda brought it over for the Si model they made a fair bit of changes to the suspension to increase understeer.
left foot braking-fulk throttle is better at high speed circuit corner. hand brake is ok for some tight corner while keeping in mind that it kill the speed so you will be slower on exit (heavy penalty if there is a long straight after the hairpin).
On that surface grip is clearly faster
Over one lap it would be faster. That's why bottas always drifts round the hairpin in monaco
Game?
PENALTY
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bang in a fwd 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
You exceeded track limits 😂😂😂😂😂😂
handbrake?? you should check the manual instruction at "full throttle left foot braking" section
FWD gets hate it doesn't deserve. Sure, you can't hold a drift the way you can with RWD, but that doesn't mean that FWD is bad at all motorsports.
WHY OF ALL CARS THE CIVIC??????
Yeah… It doesn’t actually work in real life people. Ask anyone at auto cross or circuit and they’ll tell you. Maybe there’s some game physic that allows for it, but I would highly debate it in a real world setting.
This is, of course, a different conversation than something like using slip angle. Slip angle is a real thing, but most cars these days don’t use much of it due to improvements in track focused tire technology.
Literally one of my two examples is based on real life
Slip angle is modulated by yaw control aka stability control by independently braking the inside rear tire. Driver aids on road cars are illegal in most forms of motor racing except for video games
😂😂
"drifting" is never faster.
If you drifted a corner and were faster than when you didn't, either teh game/mod is bad or, you are bad.
You don't see FWD race cars drifting, you see a controlled yaw, not mad oppo
"Drifting" makes you go faster in some curves, the curve that he shows is a perfect example of oversteer makes you faster. During races you don't see anyone oversteer on purpose because it destroys your tiers much faster after some laps you lose traction. If you watch qualifying sessions drivers tend to oversteer much more because the qualifying sessions have shorter duration so you can wear tiers more.
Obviously oversteer with handbrake is a nono unless you are in a rally or rally cross or stuff like that
Slip angle fastest
Neither is faster, the fastest is in between grip and a drift where you are utilising as much grip as possible without going overboard and ending up in a drift.
Slip angle
Trail braking...
i agree but on rwd and awd vehicles its worse
Duh
Except awd in super tight hairpins
No. Just no. If ur driving a fwd car chances are moneys a lil tight. No way am I flatspotting my tires Jose.
True but not as stylish ^^
Is it just me, or does his voice sound weird?
I had a cold I think
Definetly not faster if you know how to drive fwd properly
Hmmm i dont believe in game i live reality
this is a simulator
You don’t drift a fwd you slide
id take questionable ac mods with a grain of salt. hell, kunos themselves barely knows what all the tyre.ini numbers mean. i dont expect most modders to get it right
Fake news
Mate tf am i gonna use that extra hundred of a second on
Hundredths of a second wins races (i wouldnt recommend drifting in a race though, bc tyre wear)
@@TSRB fair
pretty much how I drive my fwd fiesta. 🪅 and yes tire wear is ridiculous
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