Its insane how some 3 random dudes from Netherlands managed to make a startup company and a product thats so far ahead of competition (which are multi billion dollar corporations) that it took over the competitive/esport space by storm
because they are gamers, they know how things works, and their goal is to actually make something good, not just a random cash grab like most companies these days.
Their production speed is holding them back which took me ages to get mine, and companies take advantage of this. It will be over for wooting once a big company matches wooting's performance, sadly.
The more competition the better. But no one has matched the software support and capabilities of Wootility yet. Which is insane considering Wooting started a couple of years or so ago.
So damn happy with my wooting a year later & they've even improved it in small ways over the year. Seems like everyone is coming up short trying to replicate them.
The first I heard of hall-effect sensors was in response to the stick drift issues of modern game controllers. I wondered if this had anything to do with Wooting using them, or if it was just coincidence.
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I think the DrunkDeer A75 is the closest competitor to the Wooting by far. It now has a web browser driver like Wootility, and a Rapid Trigger range of 0.1-3.6mm
Yea, their software is great. Its the first time I actually felt like my keyboard was limitless, and I’ve owned 40% keyboards that use QMK. Technically you can do almost anything to customize a QMK board but the process of changing keybinds was kind of time consuming, and downloading the software in the first place was not straightforward. I think Via/Vial might have solved this user experience problem but I haven’t used that software. I find it way easier to change settings on my wooting keyboard than even changing the settings on most of my mice.
ever since i opened the wooting box i knew that this is it. unmatched both on the hardware and software as well as on the support side. such a great company if you got a bit of patience
I think Drunk Deer is worth looking at. It was the first Rapid trigger keyboard to come out after Wooting 60HE, but not only that it is within the budget range. Others have compared it to razer and steelseries and most of the time it only lags behind either the razer or steelseries, coming at second after Wooting in terms of mm. I think it’s the only one you’d find interesting. Plus comes in variety
Noice. I have the q1 v2 keyboard right in front of me (with different switches and keycaps). Has been awesome but I've always wanted to have a 75% version with hall effect switches like the Wooting so I might be upgrading when that comes out :).
Drunk Deer A75 is another alternative Hall Effect KB. A 75% layout w rapid trigger. I would def appreciate an in-depth review. You can buy the complete keyboard or a barebones for even cheaper.
Hey Optimum, would like to see you give the DrunkDeer A75 a try as well Hall Effect keyboard for 90USD (on sale), 0.2 actuation, 0.1 RT, AND 75% layout. Insane value. A true Wooting competitor in the market so far IMO
It’s already been tested and it’s not as good as Wooting, meaning it’s cheaper because it’s still inferior. Get with the programme and stop spreading lies.
@@tyl3rb-fw6ee lmao, bet you didn't even tested one for yourself. I own both keebs and the Wooting wins in all directions, hands down. But I give credit and props to DrunkDeer too for actually giving the masses a choice (and a budget 75% layout, mind you) get off your high horse
Hope you do a video on the Razer huntsman v3 pro. It's rolling out to stores now I think. Hoping their optical analog v2 switches are a better implementation of rapid trigger than their last one.
In mid Septermber there was a sale on the Steelseries Apex Pro TKL for $110, the 2023 edition was $140. Rapid trigger + volume wheel + TKL for $110 is the best bang for the $.
In the chart with keyboard latency would love to see a stat with one of the fastest latency mechanical switch boards. To compare whether the tech is even worth it over a mech switch or if the gains are only valuable if you went with something like the Wooting. If that makes sense? Otherwise great video! I love Higround and I’m glad to see they got the in depth video from you to test out their product. With some stats out I hope this pushes them to improve in the remaining ways to come ahead or on par with Wooting for performance. Imo they still win in looks/feel/sound/form factor. Just need latency improvement and software
Corsair has a Magnetic switch keyboard and their keyboard has the option for TWO separate actuations per switch meaning 2 different commands can be assigned to that switch for 2 different tasks AND one of my fav things is that it is the first metal keyboard from Corsair that I know of that doesn't have brushed aluminium which gunks up easily
I have the Wooting 2HE and I have to say it's the best keyboard in the market. One thing I complain about it is you can't customize almost any part of the keyboard cuz there are no custom parts for full size keyboards. And Wooting needs to improve the customer service A LOT. I know it's a small company but idk, feels sad to write an email and not being replied for weeks. More than that, the rest is perfect.
@@lvvett1 Its an optimum video, I already expected it to be good after watching the first few seconds. I will agree that my initial comment seemed ai generated and I apologize for my bot like behavior
thanks for reviewing every single wooting competitor, with each and every video i not only appreciate my 60he more and more, but you also prove how far and beyond wooting are compared to... well, everyone on the market, multi-milion dollar companies included of course it would be better for consumers overall if there was more competition, but on the other hand i can't stop feeling good about making the best choice, even if i couldn't use the product for 3 months after i paid for it (trust me, it's well worth the wait) honestly i am now considering buying some extras from them even tho i'm not really interested in any, just because i want to support them
@@uncleiroh8665 despite of what everyone is saying this keyboard doesn't really need any modding, also switches and stabs are factory lubed, but since switches are contactless it only really affects the sound the only thing i really did is replacing keycaps, i used razer phantom upgrade set, because it does visually combine well with the switch-depth-aware backlight effects, but the stock ones are perfectly fine too! the only thing i would say you may really wanna do is case swap, but honestly i'm personally happy with the stock one, not like it changes the experience a lot, switches are the main event here, so to speak
Love your Videos, you quickly became my favorite tech youtuber in the last couple of years. There are also the drunkdeer keyboards, would be great to have a review of those!
Im on wooting for a month now and i only play cs2. It doesn't make me a better player but man there's a notable sharpness to the counter strafing which really helps me with hitting the first bullet more often. You stop on a dime.
Yea its a comfort thing. I get the same thing from high polling rate mice. Like sure, you can be the best player in the world with almost any mouse, but the added accuracy from latency reduction makes me feel so much more comfortable and in control of the peripheral. It allows my brain to stop compensating for the lag in my gear and to offload that stuff to the subconcious brain where my body can just react before I can think. I think it makes me an objectively better player but its not really something that easily noticeable in the scoreboard. It mostly feels like I make less mechanical mistakes and am less nervous in clutch situations because of that.
Thx so mutch for making these videos and especially for the Wooting60HE one. It was you, that inspired me to buy my first ever 60% or something like that keyboard and then it was the Wooting. An absolut beast, and like it seems, it still is!
Honestly, feels nice knowing Wooting are being one of the real OG's out there. My 60HE is about as lovely as ever, just wished they'd put out a TKL already but I understand the market direction for not doing so.
the only problem i have with higround is the fact that they are selling rebranded rk61 for triple the price back in the day (idk if they still do now), so it's pretty nice that they've done something different and at a price that is somewhat comparable
I was a bit surprised by this review, at first you said it "feels okay in terms of sensitivity" at 2:55 and then you did the solenoid test and it scored the worse of all keyboards in the list. Is this solenoid test even valid then? So after rewatching : what you mean is the rapid trigger sensitivity feels okay (the range you need to release before you can input a new actuation) but the keyboard has an actuation delay between the hall sensor and the computer?
Pre-ordered a wooting a few weeks ago so I was scared that this would be a better deal but glad to hear the wooting is still on top for now. Happy to support such a small company as well.
Do you have any plan to test the Drunkdear a75? It is in 75% layout and the prices is really attractive. I really want to pick one up but there are no good testing and review yet.
Can you please review the drunk deer a75 keyboard? I've seen some people say it's like the wooting but in a 75% layout. Would love to see your review on it.
I appreciate the honest review! I hope Higround can turn it around soon with build quality - their collabs are sick. Either way, it's nice to see Wooting isn't being beat out by large corporations.
the only two pitfalls of wooting for me is the sound profile and the lack of 75%. if they had other board sizes i would buy in a heartbeat and mod it. hopefully the higround competition pushes them to come out with more sizes
The sound is kind of meh, but I’ve done some mods to it that make it sound OK ish. I ran out of lube after building my last keyboard so I wasn’t able to lube my switches. But I did a coin and tape mod as well as some foam and it sounds alright now.
@@yadaran9054 yeah I agree. I was like “I’m never not using a custom” after I built my first one. Then I got a wooting and I was like “…maybe there’s some exceptions😂”
is it possible you can do these tests on the drunkdeer rapid triggers? You are the only channel who is willing to go into extreme depth on the latency of peripherals and I want to know if a wooting 80he would be a better option to buy later down the line.
the more companies copy wooting the more recognition and support wooting deserves for actually innovating the gaming hardware market. lets hope they start making more high quality peripherals and bring some fresh air into the industry.
Its quite interesting because I feel like Wooting has set a precedent where the community expects them to innovate, and I worry that they don’t really have a clear direction to head in. Wooting have been working on this one feature for 7 years now, and while its nice to see a company listening to the custom keyboard community. Them releasing aluminum cases, selling a separate PCB version, and talking about how they keep starting and stopping work on a mousepad leads me to think that they don’t have any interesting ideas in the works. The peripheral industry in general is a pretty hard space to innovate in. Even if you design something better there is no guarantee that customers will adopt it. For example split ortho and 40% keyboards are actually interesting and improve the typing experience, but most people aren’t willing to deal with the learning curve of changing the way they’ve been typing for the last decade. If wooting don’t have anything innovative in the works, I worry for their future as a company because with all of these companies copying them, I wonder if their days are numbered. Keyboards are just a really hard market for a business to exist in because profit margins are usually really small because each keyswitch is made up of at least 4 separate pieces that has to be hand assembled up to 100 times per keyboard. I think wooting has built in a healthy profit margin but that has made the price of their keyboards more than many customers are willing to pay. Just look at how excited these other commenters are about the cheaper copycat products.
would love to see a comparison with the current gen of razer with the huntsman v3 pro line up. I´m close to decide between a wooting 60 he and a razer huntsman v3 pro TKL
Pretty sad when these big companies dont innovate and take a something from a smaller company (which wooting is way bigger than when they started, ik) but they just implement it where its basically just shit but say they they have the feature. Everyone at wooting deserves everything good coming their way
If they made the software better on the Highground I'd probably take it over the wooting for the extra keys, but if wooting makes a Wooting One HE (their old TKL) then I'd take that. I'm using fullsize rn so the TwoHE would be too big and the 60HE would probably be too small Edit: Nvm, that upwards movement bug and the slowness is killing it.
The problem with wooting that someone needs to fix and reviewers aren't warning about is how much side-to-side wobble the lekker switches have. When you get another hall effect board please provide review of the key wobble comparison. It's made worse by the fact that stabilizing spacers aren't compatible with lekker switches so it's very hard or impossible to fix yourself. Both the shaft and the top/bottom halves of the housing connection have significant play resulting in a very loose feel.
It's nice to see the HE market really starting to fill out. I knew years ago, back when I got my first HE board (back before Wooting had even shipped their first boards to customers) that it would be something to look out for. Of course, back then, the boards had nowhere close to the feature set of what we have today, just a few tenths of a millimeter variable actuation and the promise of additional smoothness from the lack of a contact leaf. But, it showed what might become some cool technology in the future. There was the big optical boom, including Wooting's old boards, and then they dropped their HE implementation, blowing every gaming board out of the water instantly. I've tried a good few of the newer HE boards now, and Wooting still just win from the perspective of customization and feature set. If they made a TKL I would buy it in a heartbeat, as the 60HE is great but not my favorite layout. But, we have some really interesting stuff on the horizon outside of the gaming focused companies, with a big name in the custom world working on an 8000Hz HE PCB and their own version of the Gateron HE switches too. We also have some other companies starting to make HE switches, and quite plenty of 75% HE boards hitting the market, so it looks like HE is here to stay, at least for gaming.
can you check out Akko Mod007 7th Anniversary or any of their keyboards that features the Akko cream yellow magnetic switches. yes magnetic, so it also has rapid trigger/adjustable actuation points.
bro, please review the razer blackwidow v4 pro with the orange tactiles... would really love to hear your feedback on those switches for gaming vs these new rapid triggers going around.
To be fair though, if we are talking copying......wasn't it Cooler Master that first showed us this tech years ago? Way before wooting was even an idea, I saw CoolerMaster showing off this tech in one of their keyboards. Infact it was before SteelSeries even did theirs
They weren’t using hall effect sensors. They were getting analog movement using optical sensors. Wooting’s first analog keyboard also used similar optical switch technology 7years ago when wooting was founded. The problem is that the adjustment range and resolution wasn’t as accurate as hall effect sensors, and somewhat complicated to manufacture as it requires help from factories that specialize in making plastic lens’s since the light is refracted by the switch and back towards the PCB. The lens quality is crucial in determining how far down the switch has been pressed.
I know you said there are essentially too many of these types of keyboards now coming out on the market, but I was wondering if you're willing to review the Keychron Q1 HE. That is supposedly an open source keyboard with hall effect switches and a rapid trigger function (but also uses VIA/QMK, not sure how all of this works together). It's a HE keyboard from one of the bigger keyboard brands at this point and mass produced, so wonder what you think.
I'm a wooting user but the hardware macro functionality is not available. Never imagined such a common feature be missing from an advanced keyboard like this. Currently switching keyboards for different games.
Does wooting helps in cs ? I have seen you test and play overwatch, i am more interested if it's somehow working in cs with counter strafing in cs you kinda don't really need instant cut off (It's hard to describe what I mean but in csgo at least your character was still moving even after you realise the key with kinda of momentum and you need to tap counter strafe key to make full stop of your character) - wonder if analog will work or not in system like that
hall of effect sensors were already prominent in gamepads before keyboards, it's no surprise that they are making their way in. just because wooting was the first to use them for keyboard switches doesn't mean everyone is copying them lol
great vid as always man, very cool to see you covering this. I recently got the wooting 60he because of your video on it and the other keyboards. keep up the good vids!
Hey love the vids. I'm looking to downsize my pc into a mini itx. Id like to pair a 3090 with an i9 13th gen, however thermals seem to be a big issue with a lot of mini itx cases. What case would you recommend in 2023 as far as thermals. I'm currently debating between the nr200p max and the meshroom s v2. A video for the best mini itx cases in 2023 would be highly appreciated.
I know you don't typically go the controller angle, but I think you should make a video about the new generation of hall effect controllers that are coming out. I have used some from GameSir for instance, and they are just absolutely next level. It feels like I have another layer of aim assist added when I do 4, 3 linear in Apex. This wasn't possible with my elites with no dead-zone, it flew all over the place. I think a comprehensive review of all of them would be awesome because the controller players are just now starting to figure it out. Also, the old hall effect sensors, such as the kingkong, are not a good comparison. I can give more insight if you need, but this is an important topic, because most people are getting absolutely gouged replacing obsolescent potentiometers, and they are afraid to switch to the hall effect because "the pros haven't start using them yet". Down to help on this topic if you need and plan on making my own video in the future too.
That's really cool! I didn't know the controller market was getting more improvement now too instead of just shape preference and quality of buttons. Would definitely be interested to see what is happening, even if I never buy one.
@@TheDeathClawOmlet There is a difference between the particular type of hal sensors on the market. The one used by Gulikit are supposedly not great. There is another type of sensor, however, that is in the controller I just bought and it is clearly superior. I have the g4 kaleid. It is so obviously better than my prior elite controllers.
Its insane how some 3 random dudes from Netherlands managed to make a startup company and a product thats so far ahead of competition (which are multi billion dollar corporations) that it took over the competitive/esport space by storm
fax. it's respectable.
because they are gamers, they know how things works, and their goal is to actually make something good, not just a random cash grab like most companies these days.
4 lads from Liverpool?
wooting should have applied for a patent...
Their production speed is holding them back which took me ages to get mine, and companies take advantage of this. It will be over for wooting once a big company matches wooting's performance, sadly.
The more competition the better. But no one has matched the software support and capabilities of Wootility yet. Which is insane considering Wooting started a couple of years or so ago.
Software wise most keyboards are lacking across the board
wootility web app is really cool, only other company I can think of that does this is Atompalm.
Zero bloat apps like this is surely the future.
@@ギコnice pun
@@haian727 unintentional
wooting is almost 10 years old
if only Wooting would release a TKL version or at least a 75% version, I'd take their entire stock.
Don't lie. You wouldn't actually take their entire stock.
Yep, can't stand the 60%, I need my arrow keys
@@RowOfMushyTiT they will. They're a multi-trillionaire, I know them personally
nar. no one wants that. nothing that takes away precious, precious mouse space
there is a full sized version
So damn happy with my wooting a year later & they've even improved it in small ways over the year. Seems like everyone is coming up short trying to replicate them.
I just wish it wasn’t the price of all my peripherals combined
@@iDekerwas it always that expensive? With PBTs its 200€ now, and I feel like I remember it being closer to 150€
@@maxzett I’m not sure actually, maybe. I just checked and it’s $420 for me excluding shipping. So like double my peripherals prices lol.
@@iDekerwhat currency? i got my wooting 60he for $187 usd
It cost the same amount as a gpx superlight 2 in my country
0:12 I bet Anakin never heard of it.
crazy to think it took companies this long to realize this, wonder how long it would've taken without wooting
like artisan mousepads, the product is so good that they have no chance but to copy it close to one to one
The first I heard of hall-effect sensors was in response to the stick drift issues of modern game controllers. I wondered if this had anything to do with Wooting using them, or if it was just coincidence.
@@KillerInstinct1 the product is so niche, not good.
@@IT10Tthey're though.
it makes u think what else will come out that was overlooked for years
It's over anakin , i have the high ground.
Love the pun but nah fam 😂
Anakin: You underestimate my power!
except in this scenario anakin wins
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I think the DrunkDeer A75 is the closest competitor to the Wooting by far. It now has a web browser driver like Wootility, and a Rapid Trigger range of 0.1-3.6mm
I'd still rather just buy Wooting. Drunkdeer is still an inferior product.
agreed, I have one and I love it
@@rustler0880 more dollars and bad availability for maybe 5-10% better performance? Good on dat chief
It says on their webiste 0.4-3.6mm, did they just not update it? Because starting at 0.4mm would be a dealbreaker
@@xblur17 They released a fw update recently, it's still a test fw. It feels quite responsive, I'd love to see him testing it
Have you heard of the drunkdeer a75 keyboard? Its also has magnetic switches, might be good to test it out
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I recently purchased the drunkdeer 75 and would also like to see what you think about it compared to the wooting.
You're almost at a point where you can make a legit "has copied wooting" playlist.
Drunkdeer A75. It's price has gone up a couple of weeks back, but it has magnetic switches and rapid trigger in a 75% form factor. It's fantastic.
wooting will always be the best, just because of the software
Yea, their software is great. Its the first time I actually felt like my keyboard was limitless, and I’ve owned 40% keyboards that use QMK. Technically you can do almost anything to customize a QMK board but the process of changing keybinds was kind of time consuming, and downloading the software in the first place was not straightforward. I think Via/Vial might have solved this user experience problem but I haven’t used that software.
I find it way easier to change settings on my wooting keyboard than even changing the settings on most of my mice.
Please take a look at the Drunkdeer A75. It's another rapid trigger keyboard, but it's 75%, which is a niche that's currently pretty empty.
Man Wooting need to release a 75% or TKL already.
good news they are making right now
@@zNexx.have u seen their 80he it’s lowkey creamy
@@justinpraise1 beautiful board can’t wait to try it out
They released it 80he is amazing I have it rn
@@Jukes_ ye it good i got the 60 he :
wooting is truly something, i just wish they had %75 or tkl versions and silent switches
ever since i opened the wooting box i knew that this is it. unmatched both on the hardware and software as well as on the support side. such a great company if you got a bit of patience
I think Drunk Deer is worth looking at. It was the first Rapid trigger keyboard to come out after Wooting 60HE, but not only that it is within the budget range. Others have compared it to razer and steelseries and most of the time it only lags behind either the razer or steelseries, coming at second after Wooting in terms of mm. I think it’s the only one you’d find interesting. Plus comes in variety
Keychron will be having their own take with their Q1 HE which would be available in December. Would be interested to see your review of it.
this will be what I buy, I have a K8 for nearly 3 years and its been fantastic in daily use.
Noice. I have the q1 v2 keyboard right in front of me (with different switches and keycaps). Has been awesome but I've always wanted to have a 75% version with hall effect switches like the Wooting so I might be upgrading when that comes out :).
Drunk Deer A75 is another alternative Hall Effect KB. A 75% layout w rapid trigger. I would def appreciate an in-depth review. You can buy the complete keyboard or a barebones for even cheaper.
Hey Optimum, would like to see you give the DrunkDeer A75 a try as well
Hall Effect keyboard for 90USD (on sale), 0.2 actuation, 0.1 RT, AND 75% layout. Insane value. A true Wooting competitor in the market so far IMO
What does that even mean, "lifts it's own weight"[sic]?
sorry, I meant it can be a really good competitor to Wooting in terms of performance for its price
It’s already been tested and it’s not as good as Wooting, meaning it’s cheaper because it’s still inferior. Get with the programme and stop spreading lies.
@@tyl3rb-fw6ee lmao, bet you didn't even tested one for yourself.
I own both keebs and the Wooting wins in all directions, hands down. But I give credit and props to DrunkDeer too for actually giving the masses a choice (and a budget 75% layout, mind you)
get off your high horse
Any plans to review Drunkdeer A75?
Hope you do a video on the Razer huntsman v3 pro. It's rolling out to stores now I think. Hoping their optical analog v2 switches are a better implementation of rapid trigger than their last one.
Will there be review of DrunkDeer G65 or A75? I’m currently using Wooting 60he too but just intrigued to know the competitions
In mid Septermber there was a sale on the Steelseries Apex Pro TKL for $110, the 2023 edition was $140. Rapid trigger + volume wheel + TKL for $110 is the best bang for the $.
In the chart with keyboard latency would love to see a stat with one of the fastest latency mechanical switch boards. To compare whether the tech is even worth it over a mech switch or if the gains are only valuable if you went with something like the Wooting. If that makes sense?
Otherwise great video! I love Higround and I’m glad to see they got the in depth video from you to test out their product. With some stats out I hope this pushes them to improve in the remaining ways to come ahead or on par with Wooting for performance. Imo they still win in looks/feel/sound/form factor. Just need latency improvement and software
Blah blah blah inferior product 5 years behind in performance on anyone making keyboards.
Corsair has a Magnetic switch keyboard and their keyboard has the option for TWO separate actuations per switch meaning 2 different commands can be assigned to that switch for 2 different tasks AND one of my fav things is that it is the first metal keyboard from Corsair that I know of that doesn't have brushed aluminium which gunks up easily
You should try the drunkdeer a75, it's one of the few keyboard that have rapid trigger but you still didn't try it
I have the Wooting 2HE and I have to say it's the best keyboard in the market. One thing I complain about it is you can't customize almost any part of the keyboard cuz there are no custom parts for full size keyboards. And Wooting needs to improve the customer service A LOT. I know it's a small company but idk, feels sad to write an email and not being replied for weeks. More than that, the rest is perfect.
How much support do you need for a keyboard though? The discord is very good for fast responses about most things.
Is it the same hw and sw as 60he, the only difference being the size?
@@faritmutugullinsame question
@@faritmutugullinyes, performance is identical
@@RagnaRohDanniz77yes, performance is identical
great high quality vid as always
Dude the video was uploaded 1 minute ago.
@@spectrent it’s a bot
@@lvvett1 Its an optimum video, I already expected it to be good after watching the first few seconds. I will agree that my initial comment seemed ai generated and I apologize for my bot like behavior
@@spectrent After watching the entire video, it was in fact a banger
thanks for reviewing every single wooting competitor, with each and every video i not only appreciate my 60he more and more, but you also prove how far and beyond wooting are compared to... well, everyone on the market, multi-milion dollar companies included
of course it would be better for consumers overall if there was more competition, but on the other hand i can't stop feeling good about making the best choice, even if i couldn't use the product for 3 months after i paid for it (trust me, it's well worth the wait)
honestly i am now considering buying some extras from them even tho i'm not really interested in any, just because i want to support them
mine is coming in the next few days! have you done any customization to it? lube the switches or anything?
@@uncleiroh8665 despite of what everyone is saying this keyboard doesn't really need any modding, also switches and stabs are factory lubed, but since switches are contactless it only really affects the sound
the only thing i really did is replacing keycaps, i used razer phantom upgrade set, because it does visually combine well with the switch-depth-aware backlight effects, but the stock ones are perfectly fine too!
the only thing i would say you may really wanna do is case swap, but honestly i'm personally happy with the stock one, not like it changes the experience a lot, switches are the main event here, so to speak
Review the Drunkdeer A75 aswell. Much cheaper and has rapid trigger.
Can you review DrunkDeer Keyboard? It also has rapid trigger.
Love your Videos, you quickly became my favorite tech youtuber in the last couple of years.
There are also the drunkdeer keyboards, would be great to have a review of those!
The way you finalize the video is such a nice touch, normally other youtubers start spam talking, thanks man!
Im on wooting for a month now and i only play cs2. It doesn't make me a better player but man there's a notable sharpness to the counter strafing which really helps me with hitting the first bullet more often. You stop on a dime.
Yea its a comfort thing. I get the same thing from high polling rate mice. Like sure, you can be the best player in the world with almost any mouse, but the added accuracy from latency reduction makes me feel so much more comfortable and in control of the peripheral. It allows my brain to stop compensating for the lag in my gear and to offload that stuff to the subconcious brain where my body can just react before I can think. I think it makes me an objectively better player but its not really something that easily noticeable in the scoreboard. It mostly feels like I make less mechanical mistakes and am less nervous in clutch situations because of that.
Thx so mutch for making these videos and especially for the Wooting60HE one.
It was you, that inspired me to buy my first ever 60% or something like that keyboard and then it was the Wooting.
An absolut beast, and like it seems, it still is!
Honestly, feels nice knowing Wooting are being one of the real OG's out there. My 60HE is about as lovely as ever, just wished they'd put out a TKL already but I understand the market direction for not doing so.
I heard the yuki aim was a tight competitor for the Wooting, you should try it out sometime
the only problem i have with higround is the fact that they are selling rebranded rk61 for triple the price back in the day (idk if they still do now), so it's pretty nice that they've done something different and at a price that is somewhat comparable
@dot8803 oof that highkey sucks
Can you do a review of the DrunkDeer A75? It has a better implementation of rapid trigger than both the steel series and the razer.
I'd love to see Optimum try make his perfect keyboard, just like he did with his mouse. That would be an awsome video/series.
I was a bit surprised by this review, at first you said it "feels okay in terms of sensitivity" at 2:55 and then you did the solenoid test and it scored the worse of all keyboards in the list. Is this solenoid test even valid then?
So after rewatching : what you mean is the rapid trigger sensitivity feels okay (the range you need to release before you can input a new actuation) but the keyboard has an actuation delay between the hall sensor and the computer?
Pre-ordered a wooting a few weeks ago so I was scared that this would be a better deal but glad to hear the wooting is still on top for now. Happy to support such a small company as well.
Excited to see how Keychron's hall effect keyboard will be too. The Q1 HE looks like a good option.
shame it's so ugly looking. if they could've put it in the K6 or K12 maybe but the Q1 is blech
@@retrorevival1 Shame you don't have taste, the Q1 is absoluterly beautiful.
@@noahreineman1479 meh, the offset arrow keys are awkward looking, and the dial in the corner just looks outdated to me. it's just meh.
@@retrorevival1 I prefer the arrow keys expanded out a bit. Having a 75% board with everything in one chunk looks messy to me.
Do you have any plan to test the Drunkdear a75? It is in 75% layout and the prices is really attractive. I really want to pick one up but there are no good testing and review yet.
lemme guess, it probably costs like 3x the price of a 60he
Nope, about the 10$ less then the 60he
$165 is what was displayed on the website
its around 50 bucks cheaper, but yes 90% of their products are overpriced bullshit
Can you please review the drunk deer a75 keyboard? I've seen some people say it's like the wooting but in a 75% layout. Would love to see your review on it.
It’s over wooting , i have the higround
Can you review the drunkdeer rapid trigger keyboard.
I appreciate the honest review! I hope Higround can turn it around soon with build quality - their collabs are sick.
Either way, it's nice to see Wooting isn't being beat out by large corporations.
I have been looking for so long for someone to make an actual review of the Higround Performance Keyboard and no one has so THANK YOU
the only two pitfalls of wooting for me is the sound profile and the lack of 75%. if they had other board sizes i would buy in a heartbeat and mod it. hopefully the higround competition pushes them to come out with more sizes
The sound is kind of meh, but I’ve done some mods to it that make it sound OK ish. I ran out of lube after building my last keyboard so I wasn’t able to lube my switches. But I did a coin and tape mod as well as some foam and it sounds alright now.
@@RiceCubeTech to be fair it's probably the only switch with a subpar sound that I could live with, just bc of the functionality
@@yadaran9054 yeah I agree. I was like “I’m never not using a custom” after I built my first one. Then I got a wooting and I was like “…maybe there’s some exceptions😂”
is it possible you can do these tests on the drunkdeer rapid triggers? You are the only channel who is willing to go into extreme depth on the latency of peripherals and I want to know if a wooting 80he would be a better option to buy later down the line.
the more companies copy wooting the more recognition and support wooting deserves for actually innovating the gaming hardware market.
lets hope they start making more high quality peripherals and bring some fresh air into the industry.
Its quite interesting because I feel like Wooting has set a precedent where the community expects them to innovate, and I worry that they don’t really have a clear direction to head in.
Wooting have been working on this one feature for 7 years now, and while its nice to see a company listening to the custom keyboard community. Them releasing aluminum cases, selling a separate PCB version, and talking about how they keep starting and stopping work on a mousepad leads me to think that they don’t have any interesting ideas in the works.
The peripheral industry in general is a pretty hard space to innovate in. Even if you design something better there is no guarantee that customers will adopt it. For example split ortho and 40% keyboards are actually interesting and improve the typing experience, but most people aren’t willing to deal with the learning curve of changing the way they’ve been typing for the last decade.
If wooting don’t have anything innovative in the works, I worry for their future as a company because with all of these companies copying them, I wonder if their days are numbered. Keyboards are just a really hard market for a business to exist in because profit margins are usually really small because each keyswitch is made up of at least 4 separate pieces that has to be hand assembled up to 100 times per keyboard. I think wooting has built in a healthy profit margin but that has made the price of their keyboards more than many customers are willing to pay. Just look at how excited these other commenters are about the cheaper copycat products.
would love to see a comparison with the current gen of razer with the huntsman v3 pro line up.
I´m close to decide between a wooting 60 he and a razer huntsman v3 pro TKL
Pretty sad when these big companies dont innovate and take a something from a smaller company (which wooting is way bigger than when they started, ik) but they just implement it where its basically just shit but say they they have the feature. Everyone at wooting deserves everything good coming their way
What camera do you use? because its nice.
what do you think of low profile gaming keybaords
Looking forward to you testing out the new implementation on the Huntsman V3 Pro.
This is exactly why I follow the channel. You always ask the questions that I want answered about hardware that comes out. Great vid
If they made the software better on the Highground I'd probably take it over the wooting for the extra keys, but if wooting makes a Wooting One HE (their old TKL) then I'd take that. I'm using fullsize rn so the TwoHE would be too big and the 60HE would probably be too small
Edit: Nvm, that upwards movement bug and the slowness is killing it.
Hi @Optimum, any chance you'd be doing a review of other hall effect keyboards ? Like the Drunkdeer A75 and the updated AKKO Mod007
The problem with wooting that someone needs to fix and reviewers aren't warning about is how much side-to-side wobble the lekker switches have. When you get another hall effect board please provide review of the key wobble comparison. It's made worse by the fact that stabilizing spacers aren't compatible with lekker switches so it's very hard or impossible to fix yourself. Both the shaft and the top/bottom halves of the housing connection have significant play resulting in a very loose feel.
It's nice to see the HE market really starting to fill out. I knew years ago, back when I got my first HE board (back before Wooting had even shipped their first boards to customers) that it would be something to look out for. Of course, back then, the boards had nowhere close to the feature set of what we have today, just a few tenths of a millimeter variable actuation and the promise of additional smoothness from the lack of a contact leaf. But, it showed what might become some cool technology in the future. There was the big optical boom, including Wooting's old boards, and then they dropped their HE implementation, blowing every gaming board out of the water instantly. I've tried a good few of the newer HE boards now, and Wooting still just win from the perspective of customization and feature set. If they made a TKL I would buy it in a heartbeat, as the 60HE is great but not my favorite layout. But, we have some really interesting stuff on the horizon outside of the gaming focused companies, with a big name in the custom world working on an 8000Hz HE PCB and their own version of the Gateron HE switches too. We also have some other companies starting to make HE switches, and quite plenty of 75% HE boards hitting the market, so it looks like HE is here to stay, at least for gaming.
whats HE?
@@EpicBunty hall effect. the whole magnet switch thing
consider doing a review on the wooting 2 he? basically the same but full size analog keyboard are they the same performance wise or not?
Are you going to reviewing the YukiAim polar65 hall effect keybard?
You should test the new Monsgeek M1 HE
It's a custom keyboard, full aluminium, more than 2kg, with the same magnetic switch technology
Would you consider trying out the yuki aim one?
can you check out Akko Mod007 7th Anniversary or any of their keyboards that features the Akko cream yellow magnetic switches. yes magnetic, so it also has rapid trigger/adjustable actuation points.
Can you review the Drunkdeer A75? It's like a wooting but with a 75% layout (which is so much better)
The razer mini v3 fixed its rapid trigger issues
Great video, can you test the Boog75 from meletrix to compare to all the HE keebs you tried ?
bro, please review the razer blackwidow v4 pro with the orange tactiles... would really love to hear your feedback on those switches for gaming vs these new rapid triggers going around.
To be fair though, if we are talking copying......wasn't it Cooler Master that first showed us this tech years ago? Way before wooting was even an idea, I saw CoolerMaster showing off this tech in one of their keyboards. Infact it was before SteelSeries even did theirs
They weren’t using hall effect sensors. They were getting analog movement using optical sensors. Wooting’s first analog keyboard also used similar optical switch technology 7years ago when wooting was founded. The problem is that the adjustment range and resolution wasn’t as accurate as hall effect sensors, and somewhat complicated to manufacture as it requires help from factories that specialize in making plastic lens’s since the light is refracted by the switch and back towards the PCB. The lens quality is crucial in determining how far down the switch has been pressed.
Could you do a video review on the DrunkDeer A75 or G65? They are very similar in features to the Wooting including rapid trigger.
Can you review the AOC Agon Pro OLED? Almost no reviews have been made.
Do you have a plan to review of Drunkdeer A75?
I'm still surprised that this channel has too few subs than he deserves. And he is so humble! All good things coming his way is all I wish!
I know you said there are essentially too many of these types of keyboards now coming out on the market, but I was wondering if you're willing to review the Keychron Q1 HE. That is supposedly an open source keyboard with hall effect switches and a rapid trigger function (but also uses VIA/QMK, not sure how all of this works together). It's a HE keyboard from one of the bigger keyboard brands at this point and mass produced, so wonder what you think.
Waiting on that Drunk deer a75
Can you compare the switch delay activation compared to regular switches that everyone uses like cherry?
Just a question, are you going to review the upcoming finalmouse UltralightX?
Hey Optimum are you going to review the Superlight 2 soon?
Mr. Optimum do you have any intentions of reviewing the new razer huntsman v3
You've probably heard this many times before, but I love your sense of aesthetics. Not just in this video, but in general.
I was wondering if you could try the new Razer Huntsman V3? Seems like a big improvement over the old one. It's brand new too
I'm a wooting user but the hardware macro functionality is not available. Never imagined such a common feature be missing from an advanced keyboard like this. Currently switching keyboards for different games.
can u review the drunkdeer A75 magnetic switch... i have it but i wanted to know the if its the closest one to wooting
There is also the Drunk Deer A75 and Keychron is coming out with a hall effect Q1
Does wooting helps in cs ? I have seen you test and play overwatch, i am more interested if it's somehow working in cs with counter strafing in cs you kinda don't really need instant cut off (It's hard to describe what I mean but in csgo at least your character was still moving even after you realise the key with kinda of momentum and you need to tap counter strafe key to make full stop of your character) - wonder if analog will work or not in system like that
hall of effect sensors were already prominent in gamepads before keyboards, it's no surprise that they are making their way in. just because wooting was the first to use them for keyboard switches doesn't mean everyone is copying them lol
great vid as always man, very cool to see you covering this. I recently got the wooting 60he because of your video on it and the other keyboards. keep up the good vids!
could u use ur latency test on the upcoming end game gear he keyboard, akko's one, and keychrons upcoming one and the drunkdeer's one
Petition for optimum to check out drunk deer g65 or a75 keyboard and do a comparison with wooting
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Hey love the vids. I'm looking to downsize my pc into a mini itx. Id like to pair a 3090 with an i9 13th gen, however thermals seem to be a big issue with a lot of mini itx cases. What case would you recommend in 2023 as far as thermals. I'm currently debating between the nr200p max and the meshroom s v2. A video for the best mini itx cases in 2023 would be highly appreciated.
Hi, can you review the drunkdeer a75 ? 75% layout with magnetic switches and rapid trigger
hello optimum tech, can you make a video about the drunkdeer keyboard? its also a copy of wooting but budget
do u know about some HE silent switches with silicon ? searching some for the wooting.
I know you don't typically go the controller angle, but I think you should make a video about the new generation of hall effect controllers that are coming out. I have used some from GameSir for instance, and they are just absolutely next level. It feels like I have another layer of aim assist added when I do 4, 3 linear in Apex. This wasn't possible with my elites with no dead-zone, it flew all over the place. I think a comprehensive review of all of them would be awesome because the controller players are just now starting to figure it out. Also, the old hall effect sensors, such as the kingkong, are not a good comparison. I can give more insight if you need, but this is an important topic, because most people are getting absolutely gouged replacing obsolescent potentiometers, and they are afraid to switch to the hall effect because "the pros haven't start using them yet". Down to help on this topic if you need and plan on making my own video in the future too.
That's really cool! I didn't know the controller market was getting more improvement now too instead of just shape preference and quality of buttons. Would definitely be interested to see what is happening, even if I never buy one.
@@TheDeathClawOmlet There is a difference between the particular type of hal sensors on the market. The one used by Gulikit are supposedly not great. There is another type of sensor, however, that is in the controller I just bought and it is clearly superior. I have the g4 kaleid. It is so obviously better than my prior elite controllers.
Can you review the DrunkDeer a75? It’s a new company, with a rapid trigger keyboard.