Why Was Hogwarts Legacy Snubbed By The Game Awards?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Earlier this month the nominees for all 31 categories at The Game Awards were revealed. There were most definitely some surprises but one omission stood out, Hogwarts legacy. It was not nominated for a single category and I wanted to see why, so I did some digging and here's what I found. #hogwartslegacy #thegameawards #harrypotter
Dude I didn't even think of this game at the time, but now I think it's BS that the game didn't get nominated. The game was really good and very well done. It deserves recognition!
Same. I think team Avalanche deserves to be recognized for taking what I would assume to be a veri intimidating franchise and bringing it into the AAA games realm. Was it perfect? No. Was it magical? Yup.
Such a shame. I was wondering why it wasn’t included and it’s such a good game 😢
It wasn't Included because it was out voted or nor submitted..simple
Look, i love Harry Potter, still do, i don't give a damn about the political clusterfuck around it, i bought the game (pre-ordered it, actually) and 100% it (well, the 100% you can do in one playthrough, anyways). Based on this, here's my take on why it hasn't been nominated - it's not a particularly great game.
The story is okay, but not outstanding and riddled with narrative inconsistencies (like the Unforgivable Curses being not really Unforgivable at all, due to the lack of a morality system), the open world challenges/collectibles don't really take advantage of the near limitless creative possibilites magic should have given the developers and become repetitive chores really fast (even more so than in other Open-World-Games) and the combat, while generally fun, can be really finicky and too hectic (especially on consoles, where you have to constantly switch between spell-wheels if you want your combos to be a bit more diverse - i assume this may work better on PCs).
The game definitely has its strengths, the world first and foremost. Exploring it, especially Hogwarts, is so much fun and it's easy to get lost in the castle in the best way possible (and it offers a nice mix between book- and movie-style/knowledge when it comes to the design and layout), the world is alive with all it's details from the world of HP (the whole Magical Beasts part, for example), its placement on the timeline is well-chosen, frees the game of unecessary bagage and the general plot idea (a goblin rebellion) is intriguing (though, hey, maybe a sequel could be set post-Harry? That might be fun!).
It's a solid first outing of what i personally would like to see become a franchise (maybe not of Assassin's Creed-like dimensions and longevity, but i wouldn't mind two or three more "Hogwarts"-games), but that's about it. And considering the competition this year...
I think you make some really good points that, when talking about the game, I agree with you on. However, and maybe I need to do better on this, this video was more so way to highlight the issues with the selection process more so than the lack of nomination/recognition for Hogwarts Legacy. Looking at everything else that came out this year it was always going to be tough but even with the valid criticism you've outlined here, my only counter would be that Hogwarts Legacy still reviewed better than 2 of the nominees here, so to some degree, the games outlets felt this game was better than Lies of P (amazing game) and Starfiled (mediocre at best) and yet it got 0 nominations.
@@PlayerVersusGame there are no issues. respectfully, i think you're just unaware of how TGA specifically does things compared to other award shows
Lies of P is generic and Hogwarts Legacy was a great game. What do you think a great game is if HL isn't it?
@brabea23 hogwarta had a fun atmosphere but gameplay was was mid tier at best. Didn't do anything original to stand out
So, I'm not on the jury (I can't find the time to review games on top of movies and TV shows), but I'll say this. I think to expect that TGA jury members to play or even review 100% of the titles that are nominated is quite the lofty task. As for why members of the jury can be allowed to vote like EW and Variety, those are two big entertainment outlets that might be grandfathered in from VGX or the Spike VGA days.
100% understand that not all outlets can play/review all the games. So that being the case then maybe the jurors shouldn't get 90% of the vote imo. As for the grandfathered in jurors, never occurred to me good point!!
While I disagree that it was worthy of being nominated in ANY category whatsoever, I do think it was a good game. The thing is, which of the nominated games truly was inferior to H.L.? Because in the categories it COULD'VE been nominated, I don't see which games it could've replaced.
So I don't think was a sub as much as it was just simply outclassed by other games. Because sales don't mean quality. It's like the movie industry. Nobody is debating whether Avengers Endgame is better than Schindler's List or not. Because it isn't. You can absolutely love something, but still acknowledge its flaws. That's what I think happened with Hogwarts legacy with its lack of variety.
I get what you're saying, the game definitely has flaws for sure, but for all its flaws it still reviewed better than two of the nominees. I know review scores aren't the end all be all but that alone is a little odd. But, to me this has more to do with the jury selection process, etc.
It is superior to both lies of p and starfield. I haven't played the other games in the RPG category.
@@13game3 For Starfield, it is debatable. As for Lies Of P, I absolutely disagree. While Lies of P doesn't do anything new either, what it does do, it does it extremely well. The same can't be said about Starfield nor Hogwart's Legacy.
As for the other RPG nominees, while Sea Of Stars is far inferior in terms of budget than any of those 3 games, it is also far superior in quality, especially when we talk about the roleplay/writing aspect.
Baldur's Gate 3 stomps all of them though.
@@peroxxgoldee2559 can you point out how hogwarts legacy is lacking? It has excellent gameplay and story. The lore through environment is amazing. It’s much more ambitious than all the games in the category except for baldur’s gate 3. Are you really just going to pretend this had nothing to do with trans mafia throwing a hissy fit because it’s associated with Rowling who they hate?
@@13game3 Plenty of flaws.
1. Lackluster writing, especially for side quests.
2. Lack of variety and quantity of spells (only like 30ish spells for a AA game? Come on!)
3. Barely any of the game happens inside Hogwarts, even of the game is called Hogwarts Legacy
4. The illusion of choice. No choice you make in the game is ever impactful. Remember the house you had to chose in the early parts of the game? Well, doesn't matter! There is like 1 side quest per house!
5. The gear system is designed in a way that is reminiscent of the worst Xbox 360 era menus
6. Unforgivable curses are not really unforgiveable in-game (No proper morality system)
7. You pretty much have to spam Revelio if you want to 100% the game.
8. Merlin's quests are SO ANNOYING
Shall I continue? Besides, like I said, it's a good game, but it's very far from being great, let alone GOTY or even RPG of the year. Just a disclaimer though. I'm not a hater. I could name as many good sides to the game than I did with flaws. But I'm being honest with myself.
Great investigating. No bias, no politics no agenda, just data. As of Nov. 16th, Hogwarts is still the best selling game of 2023. If I was a dev, think I would much rather have a nice bonus from sales than a little trophy.
Thank you! I sure hope those devs got a fat bonus lol
Yeah of course it sold well, it has HP brand recognition. The game was still a 7/10 and this year was stacked af
7/10 lmao. I bet you call starfield an 8/10. The animation and visual work I saw go into that massive castle alone are quite literally the best I have ever seen in a video game. I saw animation and environmental work that I haven't seen any game come anywhere close to accomplishing that left me wonder both how much time that 5 second animation took to make, and what game dev techniques they even used to accomplish it. It completely raised the bar on that front. That alone makes it noteworthy. The only weak point was frankly its story and its story was still a solid 7/10. Combat 8.5/10 Visuals is easy 10/10 Animations easy 10/10. Music 9/10. Game is an easy 8.5 - 9/10. It got review bombed hard by the anti-trans cancelling thing, despite the devs literally putting a trans character in the story.
@winniethepoohxi1896 The game looks like shit. Should have been a ps3 title. Even the commercials where they usually try and show of the best visuals the game can handle looked like garbage. You have to be joking if this is the best you've ever seen.
There is one thing that wasnt mentioned in the video that always plays a role in awards and thats recency bias. Combine it with an absolute staked year like 2023 and every game that was released earlier in the year will have a hard time to get nominated.
I wonder if that’s why there always seems to be a dry season in gaming. Best games all come out at the same time
...you fully showed a screenshot explaining that this is entirely ballot based meaning if it didnt get nominated it either didnt get enough votes internally or externally, or the sutdio never submitted...
That goes against your entire argument
Tga is a celebration of gaming. If you want eveyone ton have played thw games and vote based on metrics and criteria, you have other awwrd shows like dice and gdc. Tga is a popularity contest so if its.not up.here it either wasn't popular enough on it own merits or by proxy of marketing
There is no beoken jury. You just dont like how this particular system works becuase they didnt cater to your personal preferences. No offence but there is some strong confirmation bias in this so it all comes off looking for an excuse to find fault and direct blame because tour game didnt get nominated
it didnt get “snubbed”… hogwarts legacy was a regular game, it got popular because of the franchise. remove the harry potter universe from it and its like every other generic open world game.
and this year was stacked… it doesnt stand a chance with the best games of the year, it doesnt even compare to good enough games like starfield etc
I don't agree. Yeah it might not be the best game of the year, but what about other categories. Best art direction - Mario wonder, really? What about best score and music?
Have you played Wonder? The art direction in that game is insane are you messing @@nix2939
Are you trans or jewish?
@@nix2939that's why it was nominated for a Grammy. But what do they know right?
Ngl Hogwarts Legacy 100% served to be nominated
you mean deserved?
Lots of games deserve to but you can only have 5..maybe it's in the top 10 of some categories but then it would be too big. Also deserving and being popular are two different things. Also deserving of what category and bt what metrics? Certainly ot goty
Great video, couldn't agree more about the "Social Engineering". Your final line hit the nail right on the head
I think it's the best closing line I've ever done. You wouldn't believe how many lines I had come up with
And thank you for your kind words!
There is no "social engineering"
Because the game was mid? Tf
Snubbed? It was AAA movie licensed garbage
Every year the biggest pain point of the Game Awards has always been the public response to the nominees. With the info they make available to the public, the information disclosed by people like Alanah Pearce, and the hindsight of a decent amount of Game Awards, the solution seems somewhat clear to me now:
They need to make the NOMINATION PROCESS transparent and more robust.
Don't just hand a ballot to fill and then tally: make every publication fill a list of 1st, 2nd and 3rd game for a given category and demand that every publication has an official review for the games they nominated. Also make them clarify whether that choice was made by a single person or by several staff. Choose nominees by weight (of the 1,2,3 choice) and not by majority vote.
In the case of eSports only allow publications with a dedicated member of staff to cast a vote. They have enough outlets to limit the vote this way and still make the votes matter.
In the case of influencers do two rounds: one in which 20 or so people are chosen, and one in which highlights of those people are given to the voters so they can be more informed. Because unlike games, most publications don't focus or know much about these people and the possible selection is so big that the current way it's done most nominees are probably getting less than three votes. Or honestly make the influencer category be chosen by popular vote.
Then when the awards have been given, make the data for the nominations publicly available so people can understand why the jury as a collective nominated a game or not.
Is this a logistical challenge and a possible big expense? Definitely. Does TGA have the money and staff to afford doing this for their audience? Absolutely. And they honestly should for the sake of amassing a bigger and bigger audience.
I think at a minimum, to be a juror, you must have reviewed to some capacity the games up for nomination. Now as for voting for winners, a non negotiable 90/10 split is a no go. The average % of jurors that reviewed the game should be the % of the vote they get. For example of only 48% of the jurors on average reviewed all games in a category then the split should be 48/52. Something along those lines.
@@PlayerVersusGame not how TGA works...
@@PlayerVersusGame Thing is that the jury as a collective also chooses the nominations so that solution wouldn't really make sense. It's better to set rules at the nomination stage and not at the voting stage.
Awesome vidéo !👍👍👍👍
Thank you!!!
Well this is why all game review sites have fallen almost completely out of relevance. The editors aren't actually gamers. They are people who play games sometimes. There's a huge difference. Honestly i think this is actually amplified by the emergence of TH-cam. The best game reviewers by a long shot have their own TH-cam channels, they have no reason to be low level editors at some random "gaming" site like IGN. The level of tech journalism from "reputable" sites has crashed because they literally can't get quality editors berceuse if you are even remotely talented you would just freelance your work on TH-cam.
Obviously there are larger and more important problems in life, but humor me, how does this get solved in your opinion when it comes to games and awards shows?
Final Fantasy XVI had some great moments, but overall the questing was kinda boring.
What even is the point of the Game awards tbh
pretty obvious lol
He bent the knee
it was snubbed cuz there is nothing outstanding about it, the gamesaward is not influenced by Geoff, all 100 critics and journalist from all around the world from Japan China to Mexico and US all together vote, so there is no evidence to say there is a conspiracy to not vote Hogwarts Legacy. If you think it deserves then you can pick other award show to watch it got praised, no one said the gamesaward is the ultimate award, it just got the most views that's it. Think critically dont assume everything is because of the Matrix.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video
@@PlayerVersusGame Oh I did not comment about your video, I talking about those who think it was snubbed. Sorry for the confusion, I should have done better clarification.
@@PlayerVersusGame the video is irrelevant as to why it wasn't included lol
tell me you didn't look up the voting process without telling me you didnt look up the voting process
I'm not saying that it should win any category I'm saying that it should be a part of a category of a nomination when such a game that outsold many many games that you hear it even outsold game of the year when it's not even a part of any nomination I don't care if if they lost so long as they were a part of a list of being nominated the fact that it's not even in any of the categories you got a question yourself imagine Zelda being the top performer and it's not even in any of the categories I'm not saying if it wins or lose if it's not in any other categories imagine Baldur's Gate not being in any other categories win or lose Hogwarts Legacy outsold many many games this year and it's not even in any of the categories
@@makotonarukami7468 sales have absolutely nothing to do with this
Fantastic video man! Logic, reason and data, the holy trinity of a sound argument. This just proves that the Game Awards is a joke, and Hogwarts Legacy did indeed get snuffed.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I enjoy the show for what it is, a show. But the process needs some refining
@@PlayerVersusGame can't get more refined than just voting lol
Except he literally proved there was no snubbing at all by showing how the voting system actually works...your game either wasn't submitted or was out voted. Get over it
while Hogwarts Legacy was a greeat and entertaning game, I think its combat was pretty typical for 3rd person action game.
It’s a glorified Ubisoft game
Oh that's a bit harsh don't you think? Respect your opinion but to put this in the same league as the typical ubisoft open world games is damn near hurtful lol.
@@MovieKiller333YOU THINK UBISOFT IS GOOD?! No freaking way dude hahahahahaha... oh my god this have to be the first time I hear such a claim hahaha
i always thought the Game awards was a bad joke, but having Starfield being nominated is the proof they don't try to pretend to be legitimate or reliable anymore (TBF being created by G.K. isn't smelling like "integrity" either).
Except thst game is massively popular lol
Ngl bars