No shit. lol. There are some good videos by "SIG Mechanics" and "SIG Guy" (if not mistaken) that go into detail on how the guns work and also how to safety check them to make certain they're safe and that the striker can not slip off the sear. I know it's not necessary, because the guns are safe enough already. I'm just one of those people that has to know everything about every gun, esp any gun I ever plan to own or carry. (I love gun mechanics and also won't buy/carry a gun unless I know precisely how it works and that it's safe.)
I would imagine that the Army and Marines will put this issue to rest in the coming months/years. It is interesting that these alleged unintentional discharges seem to only happen while the weapon is holstered. Not while being handled, sitting on a nightstand, locked in a safe, etc. Leads me to believe that if this is in fact happening, it’s related to the holster being used.
Well it's the sear being dropped unintended is the problem, a thumb safety don't mitigate the danger of a sear not being blocked up properly. There was just another P320 AD while holstered just recently that was well documented and is on TH-cam, SIG even said it was a problem in the gun.....had you been eating at Arby's or something and that happen, that round hits someone it's a really big problem now.
SIG is the only company hearing about their guns being unsafe Taurus figured out their issues and actually came around and they sell cheaper budget guns what's sigs excuse they're currently the only gun maker that constantly gets addressed on these kind of issues if it was idiots they would be complaining about multiple guns going off not a specific gun like SIG striker fired guns
@@matortiz2322 I think its more of a they proved that only when DROPPED a very specific way it would discharge. Now every negligent discharge is becoming "oh its the guns fault".
@@abnrmlmind Why is it just sig p320's we're hearing this for then? I understand they're becoming more widespread but i've never seen this phenomenon happening with any other gun. Or is this the new "glock leg"?
@@ViciousFirearms Google police negligent discharge. The p320 isn't firing by itself. It's dropped at a angle on the back of the slide. It cause the trigger to bounce and release the striker. AGAIN IT ONLY FIRES WHEN DROPPED A SPECIFIC WAY. The police officers claiming it fired with no trigger manipulation is bs. They're riding the drop fire band wagon. First, let’s talk about the firing pin block. If by some miracle of science, the first and second failsafes stopping the sear from releasing fail, the firing pin cannot hit the primer unless the trigger is pulled. There is a plunger that gets depressed when the trigger is pulled that moves the firing pin block out of the way. If you don’t pull the trigger, the P320 CANNOT FIRE.
The problem is the striker on the sig is a "fully cocked" meaning the sear just needs to get out of the way sort of like a single action. And if broken can fall, whereas the Glock is partially cocked and the pull of the trigger cocks the striker and fires the gun sort of like a revolver.
Exactly…the Glock Is partially cocked back, even if dropped and block pin breaking is not enough to ignite a primer. Needs the trigger pulled completely to fully cock and release.
Isn't it suspect that this PD has had 3 mystery discharges but 5 other PD's in Milwaukee haven't had this issue?! Looks like their cops need more training and different holsters. As always blaming the gun and not the person behind it.
Yeah... like all the NYC cops shooting innocent people to the point that Glock had to invent extra strong trigger springs and name them "NY 1" trigger spring and "NY 2" trigger spring. Of course nobody would actually blame the Glocks these days, because we Know they're safe... but people don't afford SIG the same innocent until proven guilty attitude. Most people forget about the whole "glock leg" thing too, when people were blaming and suing Glock for shooting themselves as if it was the guns fault. They all lied and said the guns fired on their own... and NONE of them ever pulled the trigger on accident. lol. They always "just went off".
This has been an ongoing topic for about 5 years now with Sig, and NO ONE can seem to duplicate the problem with the p320 testing it... i think many people are negligently handling the firearm and objects, or fingers, are hitting the trigger... the p320 does have a very large trigger guard, so its easy for things to get snagged inside. These pistols were designed that way so military and police could use them with gloves on, so the trigger guard is oversized.
I owned a Sig 320, and never had an issue. I checked and found it was qualified for an update on trigger and internals, and decided to let it go down the road. Bought a G45, Glock, and like it very much. Carried Glock22's on duty for years. Not one issue. Older Sigs like 226 are flawless, not the 320 model.
The 226 has been around for decades, too. Not saying guns like the 320 shouldn't be flawless out of the box, but there are bound to be hiccups from every manufacturer here and there. I got an Xten recently (P320 but 10mm), haven't used it yet and obviously won't carry it without putting some range time in.
@@cwheels01 "hiccups" if there actually is one need to be handled in the development phase, there's no excuse for putting a firearm in the hands of folks with "hiccups". It's a life or death tool.
@@rpm10k. I don't disagree but if you make things, especially millions of things, someone is going to fuck something up. Cars are life and death too, and they still roll out with issues. Except they tend to roll out with KNOWN issues.
I will be the first to admit my experience is less than the entirety of the police department in question, but ive carried sigs for decades. 226, 320, 365, and none have gone off unexpectedly. I concur with the issue of non-updated triggers or poor holster choice being the primary issue. If it were truly a faulty system, it would have been found first in civilian or military markets, law enforcement as a whole does not fire the same number of rounds
There are 500 thousand maybe more p320 and most of these ND are mostly Leo’s. One wound think that if there was a gun issue it would be more widespread. I think the holster being used is a big part of this.
In the video, you visibly showed that you were firing P320s with the gen 2 thin profile trigger, there shouldn't be an issue. In more recent accounts it's been found that NDs have been caused by bad holsters and faulty strikers. You mentioned how a Glock handgun has a trigger safety but failed to mention how a P320 has an integral striker safety, protecting the gun from just going off by itself. Need to take care of your firearms.
That’s not necessarily true there have been several instances that haven’t been found to be NDs. There was one recently from a competition shooter on TH-cam where it was documented his hand was off the gun and his shirt was tucked in and the gun (p320 x five post upgrade) discharged. I don’t think every 320 is unsafe, but if you don’t think there is a mechanical issue that can lead to an uncommanded discharge you’re just a bootlicker of Sig. There have also been police body cam footage showing their hands are not on the firearm and them discharging which had nothing at all to do with the weight or profile of the trigger that only regarded drop safety. Some speculate that the striker spring assembly can easily be crossed preventing the firing pin block from stopping the firing pin moving with any type of inertia, not even being dropped just placing in a holster. It’s clear they need a redesign of the handgun as SOME are clearly dangerous although I’m sure most are 100% fine as I’ve owned a few and since sold them all.
It's got a very light trigger pull and is that unsafe nope but you can't act like someone who doesn't train I mean lots of police miss and even hit innocent civilians not meaning to it's the user and practice
@@boknow5506when a gun discharges in a holster it’s not because of a light trigger. The reason has nothing to do with trigger weight it’s a precocked striker and the only thing keeping the striker from releasing and firing no matter what the trigger does is two micro springs that can get crossed and malfunction. Sig apparently tried changing that at some point slightly but it still can happen. The Glocks trigger weight in my experience really wasn’t all that much heavier and it has nothing to do with the inertia safety tab on the trigger it is because you have a fully cocked striker vs a partially cocked striker and there is a plunger with one spring in Glocks, M&Ps, HKs and basically every reputable striker or hammer fired pistol but Sig tries to do it different and keeps having issues with it.
@@cosyfoot7867 blah blah you do know the Tigger is the whole thing I have both old version and new and it's not pre striker it both are made without a safety and yes older sigs it's like 18 lbs the new it's only like eight maybe but they make a flat trigger after market and in wrong holster it will go off because the trigger it's not the striker and it's close in size but very different and I like older sig better but it's single stack but two are made by different countries older is made in Germany new Italy but the new is modular and trigger is serialized so it's technically the whole gun again I have both and no holster is different it's like close it will go but that causes the snag not the striker
The safety on the trigger is made for If the gun is dropped and the inertia won’t allow the trigger to be depressed and causing and causing the gun to fire…..
This Sig P320 is an good firearm used by military and police all over. It’s strange how one department has three misfires but the other agencies don’t seem to have any issues with it. I have carried mine personally for the last seven years and had no issues whatsoever. Sometimes it’s operator error, or they’re using the wrong holster which is something that’s a departments fault and they should have better training, armors, and tactical personnel As far as their expert, he did not point out anything he sound like the status quo of the person getting paid to give an opposite opinion
You say wrong holster? Well, people have been carrying Glocks, 1911s, m&ps etc...on the worst and cheapest holsters out there for decades without having accidental discharges. There's just something wrong with th p320..
There have been over 80 involuntary discharges involving the P320, 33 of those have been law enforcement. There's a video of a cop in Philly, gun goes off in his holster.
I have both, but am still partial to the M&P 2.0. Especially with the new trigger they come with now. I have an older 2.0 with well over 15k rounds through it and it has not given me a single issue. That being said I understand the appeal of 17 rounds and a compact slide that the 45 has. Between the two that would be my choice as well.
I hear the new m&p is the best concealed carry handgun now. Beating the p365 or g43x both of which I have . I did order the p365 XL grip module for better control of gun. I can't wait to see how it feels. For 60 bucks you get to use of a different platform. That's a big plus for the sig. Next I'm going to get the new m&p just because I have different properties in different states and I want to have the best.
@@ramhammer10-4 Yes the 2.0 changed this lifetime Glock man into a S&W man. I still have my Glocks but imo the S&W 2.0 is so much more accurate and the ergonomics are far superior. S&W have really stepped up their game and still have competitive prices.
@@ramhammer10-4 with S&W's new pricing that started last month or so, the M&P Shield Plus is a phenomenal deal. You can get the standard one for 350 or the optics ready one (I would still choose this model regardless because it comes with night sights) for 400. 10/13/ and recently 15 round capacity, the best trigger in its category, softest recoiling and more shootable than the P365 or the Hellcat, aggressive grip texture, and the grip/palm swells out slightly to fill out your hands well. Plus you get life time warranty and support an American company.
This isn't great reporting when you don't mention that the US military also uses the SIG and that other departments investigating this issue found it to be user error (simple negligence) or use of unapproved and unsafe holsters. Nothing about the SIG makes it just go off on its own. There were some cases where it went off when dropped but those were fixed years ago. This sounds like a union protecting officers by spending a lot of money to rectify a negligence issue.
Millions upon millions of these handguns are sold every year. me personally I've had mine since 2016. and have never had one single issue but again another weapon put in the hands of police officers some way somehow finds a way to go off. these are the only people who have to do paperwork when they have an ND don't you think these issues would have popped their head up in the military who has bought millions of these and wouldn't it be more common for everybody that is a civilian to have the same problem keep in mind police and Glock having negligent discharges has always been a thing just look at the NYPD every year there's always a police officer in the NYPD that shoots himself somehow whether he's cleaning his gun maintaining his gun or just has an ND for me it's just another case of police officers not knowing how to use the equipment.
I love my Sig and had zero issues. However, the ND’s that happened with this department were caught on camera and clearly showed the officers guns were holstered and hands nowhere near the weapon. Just bizarre. I’m gonna keep my Sig until I have an issue.
They'll likely have the same problems with the g45. Seems like a negligence issue to me, where people dont want to admit violation of firearms safety rules for concern of employment status.
The Glock 45 is a great choice! I have one and ran tons of different rounds through it with zero failure. The new trigger is much nicer than older Glocks, the front slide cuts are nice too.
Keep the finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you're ready to fire. Basic firearms safety. If you're touching the trigger during your draw or reholster, you're very, very wrong.
Police officers are not always firearms people, and have had negligent discharges throughout history. Blaming the pistol is an easy way out, but it might be possible that something is happening. The Glock does NOT have a meaningful safety, and the blade on the trigger is only there to help prevent the trigger from moving if the pistol is dropped. Also, all firearms imported into the U.S. are required to have something that can be considered a “safety”.
This is exactly why Glock uses halfcocked Strikers, impossible to go off without using the trigger to cock the striker the rest of the way. Sig is just out here with fully cocked stickers, no trigger safety, and optional manual safety 🤦♂️
You must buy a holsters which are designed for your firearm model. No retention which can interfere with the trigger when inserting your gun or fighting with someone on the ground.
I believe it's user error and custom holsters / lowest bidder holsters. It's funny how, as others have said, they only discharge in the holster and not when being handled or on a nightstand or in a safe. A Safariland holster would probably solve this problem.
I own both Glocks and Sigs and overall I prefer the Sig. I believe the Sigs do require more attention especially when holstering and unholstering when most of the accidental discharges occur. That being said, I absolutely do not believe that the Sig P320 spontaneously discharges. When you get into the facts of the case, often the officer was using sloppy technique that resulted in the unintentional discharge.
This is a very common problem with SIGs to the point where they are getting sued big time for this by a lot of people including military veterans and law enforcement agencies… look up “SIG lawsuit” and you’ll see more results than you can possibly hope to read
Law enforcement should just go back to double action. It’s a lot more forgiving to poorly trained people. Of course more training is always better. Most only shoot once a year for their qualification and they are terrible.
@@PPSChadwick Less likely to shoot themselves or others unintentionally. But yes that first shot will be more difficult to make hits. Which hopefully will make them want to train more to be proficient. Strikers are easier to make hits with less training, but are more likely to have accidents. Really more training is the key no matter the weapon.
@@daviddundrea3424 They won’t want to train more with or without a double action trigger. That isn’t a solution to the problem at all. Still not convinced that sticking an antiquated hammer fired 10lb pull in the hands of an untrained officer is the solution. Happy Thanksgiving!
My p320 was never my favorite or most reliable handgun, so with the slight lack of confidence in its safety added in I opted to get rid of it and buy something else.
It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. If there was a manufacturing problem for a day or two, that would mean multiple handguns made during that period would have the issue. So when an agency purchases, say 200 weapons in an order, they are buying 200 SEQUENTIALLY MADE FIREARMS that may have been produced on that "bad day."
"AD" aka cops who shoot there weapon once a year not keeping their booger hook off the bang switch. Of course the cop is going to blame the firearm....... I put over 100K rounds through sever sig 320s in competition ( with personally modified FCU's for even lighter pull weights) and guess what.......never once had the firearm AD. Train your officers, don't blame the firearm. That said, 45 is a nice piece also.
What they don't tell you is that the sig p320 has an external safety whereas Glock does not put any external safety except the trigger pull safety on their guns so when you walk around with a Glock in a holster The only safety that is on that is on the actual trigger so at that trigger is bumped in any way the gun will still go off whereas the cig has an external safety and if that safety is on the gun cannot be fired even if it's dropped. The only thing a actual trigger safety does is stop the gun from firing if it's dropped but if the trigger is pull or bumped or if you are re-hosting and accidentally brush the trigger up against the holster you could possibly fire that Glock off. I like sig I prefer sig I carried a Glock as an officer for years. Some departments like sig some departments like Glock they're both spectacular guns. So please people don't let this fool you into thinking don't buy sig they're both great guns they're both right there at about the same level they're both trustworthy I have no idea on how the guns went off accidentally. I would love to have seen that because I kind of find it hard to believe that they just went off accidentally but I wasn't there so seeing is believing. Not saying nothing against Glock because I know that Glocks are very trustworthy any gun with the least amount of moving parts will be better than a gun with a bunch of moving parts. Newer guns nowadays pretty much all fall under the same general outline to how they are and how they are constructed. if you take them apart they pretty much resemble each other and the first time I've seen a gun of this type of construction is in the Glock.
Glocks actually have 3 safeties. Trigger safety, Firing Pin Safety and Drop Safety just so you know. And the Sig does not have a external safety nor a drop safety.
Were these pre recall P320s? If so, they will go off when dropped at a certain angle. They are not drop safe. Sig issued a recall on these guns years ago. You can tell the pre recall P320s by the fat and thick trigger it has.
Sig had a huge recall to get their P320s fixed mine was among those first ones I sent it in to get fixed and installed an after market Glock like safety trigger
So basically if you breath on the 320's trigger it disengages the safty and olny then it can drop. According to sig at least. I have one and have had absolutely zero issues so far. But I understand what it is and how to handle it
My agency is going to the P320. Out of an abundance of caution, I would think they would delay or go with a different weapon. Why take a chance? I've watched videos and read statements. Bizzare.
@@texastomsshavingtips6359 my local police department just pulled this same move. A female officer had her sig go off in her purse when off duty. She claims it "just went off" without dropping it or doing anything to the firearm. Ever since the sig recall happened, police are blaming all their negligent discharges on the firearm instead of themselves.
@@NOTSOSLIMJIM it was also in a blackhawk serpa low quality holster. I think sloppy reholstering is the culprit to many of these incidents. If John E Citzens gun goes off unexpectedly its Mr. Citizens fault. If John E Cops gun goes off its the guns fault. Chula Vista PD in CA issues the P320 with not problems. And people at the local PD to me have been purchasing them personally for their duty weapons.
@@americanmilitiaman88 I'm personally a Glock guy, but only modified Glock. Stock Glocks suck. If I had to carry a stock 320 or a stock G45, I'd take the sig. Personal, I don't know why they stopped carrying the P226. It is far better than the P320, probably the price.
the civilian market has known since the 320 debuted that there was an issue with un-intentional discharges. look up sig 320 drop firing. plenty of videos of people smacking the pistol and it going off. Glock was the correct choice for the contract but the cutesy modular design got sig the nod
Hey buddy I'm sorry to tell you but Glock had drop issues too let's not forget about it did we not forget that between Gen 2 and early gen threes had drop issues yes it was resolved but again initially when Glock came out they didn't have these problems just thought I'd remind you of this issue
I CANNOT get my p320x full size in 9mm produced in 2021 to fire without me pulling the trigger. I've tried 20 times. I've banged it against trees, I've smacked it with my hand, I've shaken it, I've done everything short of actually dropping it (for obvious reasons) and it WILL NOT fire on its own. I'm not calling anyone a liar and I'm not a fan boy but to me, my sig is 100% safe to carry.
No one has ever demonstrated any technically plausible scenario by which a P320 could be made to fire when holstered, by anything other than a trigger pull.
just buy the m18 they do sell the thumb safety pin thats what i did for my 40 cal now i have a thumb safety on my only thing is you will have to file down the area where the safety goes on the grip module but it was super easy to do
What I've seen on it leads me to believe there is an issue with the distance the the parts have to travel to disengage the safeties and that there are some firearms where the safeties are disengaging enough to allow the firing pin to release. Unfortunately I don't have a way to confirm any of this.
I never had a reason to go cop. But my Bersa works great as needed. Heck I wanted a sign 320 at least the 45 type or maybe the 10 mm. Seems sketchy to me now. Reality is you need a good holster. If it is a bag gun. Then you should condition 3 carry it. And keep it controlled. Unless you go revolver. Or 1911 type. Change your carry type 1or3 for your gun as needed. 1911 condition 1 or 1 in chamber. Condition 3 if a pocket type gun. Revolver tend to be condition 1. But grind the hammer down. On safe or not as required. If you carry a 10 gauge in your pocket 19 inch then adjust it as needed. Keep an empty champer and no outside hammer's.
If this weapon was actually flawed, then where are all the others, like regular civilians conceal carrying this pistol and not having any random misfires. I've carried mine which was in the batch of the supposed problem pistols, and no problem. I didn't send it back and something just sounds fishy with this issue.
I'm not a gun fan but I was just wondering...when the police say their gun just fired their believed but when a criminal says their gun just fired they're lying , but if a gun jammed , couldn't they fire as well by accident ? Just wondering because I've heard this all over the world that someone says it accidentally fired
Wait, the former cop said that the "weapons were already holstered & secured" when the "unintentional discharges" happened. To me, this sounds like cops blaming their equipment when the cops try to holster the guns with finger still on trigger. There are plenty of "gun fail" videos of cops doing that exact thing with Glocks. In fact, that is reason why some departments stuck with the S&W 5906 long past its obsoletion, or use various other DA/SA sidearm (such as other Sig models). As far as I can tell, the vast majority of LE agencies are so focused on all the various gear that they simply don't put any real time, effort, or budget into proper training. Like NYPD not training with their ridiculously heavy 12lb-pull triggers on their Glocks, which make them much more difficult to shoot accurately.
I'd be willing to bet that it was user error blamed on the sidearm out of Shame. I carry Sig sidearms and they are flawlessly as long as used properly. But that's just one man's opinion.
Poor training and improper handling makes any tool dangerous. Mostly improper handling is what I would guess that caused the unintentional discharge. The police officers should be fined just like a civilian if any these discharges caused damage.
It seems after more research these guns possibly coupled with a poor holster design can cause this very problem. A machine is a machine and parts can be made wrong or wear over time. So could it be mishandling perhaps or it could be the design flaws coupled with a poor or damaged holster could have caused this.
"Unintentional discharge" does not mean it was not a negligent discharge. 99 out of 100 times, an unintentional discharge is operator error and not a failure of the firearm. You don't need to look very far to find reports of underperforming LEOs hurting themselves or someone else while training with live rounds.
Sig rushed the P320 to market in order to get the government contract. The safety isn't going to help anything. The holstered discharge is due to internal component problems, like maybe the seer not holding. Either way, when you rush a product you will have problems. Other Sig guns are fine and well made. This was just a greedy production that has problems. Make no mistake this is a gun problem. I've seen witnessed accounts of going off in the holster without being touched in competition shooting events. Avoid this platform.
What holsters are they using. If its safariland then i doubt its a holster issue. I know i would not want a leather or other malleable holster for the sig or any striker fired pistol. On one of the NDs a police lady had hers loaded bouncing around in her purse in a low grade blackhawk serpa holster.
How many millions of p320’s are in use? And funny, the issue is always with cops? Because God forbid they would never mishandle a firearm or not be sufficiently trained……and admit it. The early problems with the 320 were when dropped a certain way, and those were corrected. This gun cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled. Period. Also, negligent (there is no “accidental”) are common when a police force moves from double action hammer to striker fired weapons. Much shorter, easier pull on the striker compared to the double action trigger. Means you have to have more discipline it’s your trigger finger and care when holstering.
SIG gets all the military and law enforcement contracts even though they can't make a gun that's drop safe recently a competition shooter had witnesses to his gun going off after being holstered luckily there were witnesses SIG needs to get themselves figured out or people should honestly quit buying the product
If sig incorporated a trigger safety like the glock it would be less of an issue. Making sure the area around the holster is clear of things like the bottom of a coat or straps from a back pack and finger straight and off trigger is very important. I have the P320X and confident it wont fire until the trigger is pulled. I would say the glock is more forgivable to sloppy reholstering
I like the sig P365xl but don't like the p320 even if it didn't have problems and I really don't like how I have seen SIG deal with some of their problems if I wasn't so impressed with the p365 so far I probably won't ever buy SIG.
What a moronic question...at 1:08 What about asking what happens if the accidental discharges continue with Glocks given the Chief does not understand basic mechanics of a firearm (when he was asked a basic question that he differed to their gunsmith who was not present) that no one seems to question...WTF your the chief and should know your own firearm at a basic mechanical level proving private citizens are safer with their guns then the police.
I've been carrying a sig p320 since it was released and I've managed to not blow my legs or nuts off. If you treat it like a gun, it works like a gun.
No shit. lol. There are some good videos by "SIG Mechanics" and "SIG Guy" (if not mistaken) that go into detail on how the guns work and also how to safety check them to make certain they're safe and that the striker can not slip off the sear. I know it's not necessary, because the guns are safe enough already. I'm just one of those people that has to know everything about every gun, esp any gun I ever plan to own or carry. (I love gun mechanics and also won't buy/carry a gun unless I know precisely how it works and that it's safe.)
I would imagine that the Army and Marines will put this issue to rest in the coming months/years. It is interesting that these alleged unintentional discharges seem to only happen while the weapon is holstered. Not while being handled, sitting on a nightstand, locked in a safe, etc. Leads me to believe that if this is in fact happening, it’s related to the holster being used.
They have a safety
What do you mean if? These guns are shit
Well it's the sear being dropped unintended is the problem, a thumb safety don't mitigate the danger of a sear not being blocked up properly. There was just another P320 AD while holstered just recently that was well documented and is on TH-cam, SIG even said it was a problem in the gun.....had you been eating at Arby's or something and that happen, that round hits someone it's a really big problem now.
Don’t forget the military version has an external manual safety.
@@nicke1903I saw this as well and with so much uncertainty I can’t confidently carry a p320 with a round in the chamber which is not good.
Is this an absolute manufacturer's defect? Sounds more like cops failing to keep their booger hook off the bang switch...or...incorrect holsters?
SIG is the only company hearing about their guns being unsafe Taurus figured out their issues and actually came around and they sell cheaper budget guns what's sigs excuse they're currently the only gun maker that constantly gets addressed on these kind of issues if it was idiots they would be complaining about multiple guns going off not a specific gun like SIG striker fired guns
@@matortiz2322 All very good points. 🤘
@@matortiz2322 I think its more of a they proved that only when DROPPED a very specific way it would discharge. Now every negligent discharge is becoming "oh its the guns fault".
@@abnrmlmind Why is it just sig p320's we're hearing this for then? I understand they're becoming more widespread but i've never seen this phenomenon happening with any other gun. Or is this the new "glock leg"?
@@ViciousFirearms Google police negligent discharge. The p320 isn't firing by itself. It's dropped at a angle on the back of the slide. It cause the trigger to bounce and release the striker. AGAIN IT ONLY FIRES WHEN DROPPED A SPECIFIC WAY. The police officers claiming it fired with no trigger manipulation is bs. They're riding the drop fire band wagon. First, let’s talk about the firing pin block. If by some miracle of science, the first and second failsafes stopping the sear from releasing fail, the firing pin cannot hit the primer unless the trigger is pulled. There is a plunger that gets depressed when the trigger is pulled that moves the firing pin block out of the way. If you don’t pull the trigger, the P320 CANNOT FIRE.
The problem is the striker on the sig is a "fully cocked" meaning the sear just needs to get out of the way sort of like a single action. And if broken can fall, whereas the Glock is partially cocked and the pull of the trigger cocks the striker and fires the gun sort of like a revolver.
Good explanation.
Exactly…the Glock Is partially cocked back, even if dropped and block pin breaking is not enough to ignite a primer. Needs the trigger pulled completely to fully cock and release.
The HK P30 LEM is fully cocked when chambered. No misfires that I've ever heard. Anyone?
@@rtucker1004 it also has a firing pin block as well as hk being a company that seems to make quality firearms in general
That’s why the trigger blows . But it’s safer
Isn't it suspect that this PD has had 3 mystery discharges but 5 other PD's in Milwaukee haven't had this issue?! Looks like their cops need more training and different holsters. As always blaming the gun and not the person behind it.
Yeah... like all the NYC cops shooting innocent people to the point that Glock had to invent extra strong trigger springs and name them "NY 1" trigger spring and "NY 2" trigger spring. Of course nobody would actually blame the Glocks these days, because we Know they're safe... but people don't afford SIG the same innocent until proven guilty attitude. Most people forget about the whole "glock leg" thing too, when people were blaming and suing Glock for shooting themselves as if it was the guns fault. They all lied and said the guns fired on their own... and NONE of them ever pulled the trigger on accident. lol. They always "just went off".
This has been an ongoing topic for about 5 years now with Sig, and NO ONE can seem to duplicate the problem with the p320 testing it... i think many people are negligently handling the firearm and objects, or fingers, are hitting the trigger... the p320 does have a very large trigger guard, so its easy for things to get snagged inside. These pistols were designed that way so military and police could use them with gloves on, so the trigger guard is oversized.
Let me give you a statement from sig. F you and your opinion. We will only say its broken when its cheaper to say yes, until than no.
I owned a Sig 320, and never had an issue. I checked and found it was qualified for an update on trigger and internals, and decided to let it go down the road. Bought a G45, Glock, and like it very much. Carried Glock22's on duty for years. Not one issue. Older Sigs like 226 are flawless, not the 320 model.
Exactly why i wouldnt buy a 320
The 226 has been around for decades, too. Not saying guns like the 320 shouldn't be flawless out of the box, but there are bound to be hiccups from every manufacturer here and there. I got an Xten recently (P320 but 10mm), haven't used it yet and obviously won't carry it without putting some range time in.
@@cwheels01 "hiccups" if there actually is one need to be handled in the development phase, there's no excuse for putting a firearm in the hands of folks with "hiccups". It's a life or death tool.
@@rpm10k. I don't disagree but if you make things, especially millions of things, someone is going to fuck something up. Cars are life and death too, and they still roll out with issues. Except they tend to roll out with KNOWN issues.
I will be the first to admit my experience is less than the entirety of the police department in question, but ive carried sigs for decades. 226, 320, 365, and none have gone off unexpectedly. I concur with the issue of non-updated triggers or poor holster choice being the primary issue. If it were truly a faulty system, it would have been found first in civilian or military markets, law enforcement as a whole does not fire the same number of rounds
There are 500 thousand maybe more p320 and most of these ND are mostly Leo’s. One wound think that if there was a gun issue it would be more widespread. I think the holster being used is a big part of this.
In the video, you visibly showed that you were firing P320s with the gen 2 thin profile trigger, there shouldn't be an issue. In more recent accounts it's been found that NDs have been caused by bad holsters and faulty strikers. You mentioned how a Glock handgun has a trigger safety but failed to mention how a P320 has an integral striker safety, protecting the gun from just going off by itself. Need to take care of your firearms.
That’s not necessarily true there have been several instances that haven’t been found to be NDs. There was one recently from a competition shooter on TH-cam where it was documented his hand was off the gun and his shirt was tucked in and the gun (p320 x five post upgrade) discharged. I don’t think every 320 is unsafe, but if you don’t think there is a mechanical issue that can lead to an uncommanded discharge you’re just a bootlicker of Sig. There have also been police body cam footage showing their hands are not on the firearm and them discharging which had nothing at all to do with the weight or profile of the trigger that only regarded drop safety. Some speculate that the striker spring assembly can easily be crossed preventing the firing pin block from stopping the firing pin moving with any type of inertia, not even being dropped just placing in a holster. It’s clear they need a redesign of the handgun as SOME are clearly dangerous although I’m sure most are 100% fine as I’ve owned a few and since sold them all.
It's got a very light trigger pull and is that unsafe nope but you can't act like someone who doesn't train I mean lots of police miss and even hit innocent civilians not meaning to it's the user and practice
Too many instances with Sigs says you are a reaching fan boy
@@boknow5506when a gun discharges in a holster it’s not because of a light trigger. The reason has nothing to do with trigger weight it’s a precocked striker and the only thing keeping the striker from releasing and firing no matter what the trigger does is two micro springs that can get crossed and malfunction. Sig apparently tried changing that at some point slightly but it still can happen. The Glocks trigger weight in my experience really wasn’t all that much heavier and it has nothing to do with the inertia safety tab on the trigger it is because you have a fully cocked striker vs a partially cocked striker and there is a plunger with one spring in Glocks, M&Ps, HKs and basically every reputable striker or hammer fired pistol but Sig tries to do it different and keeps having issues with it.
@@cosyfoot7867 blah blah you do know the Tigger is the whole thing I have both old version and new and it's not pre striker it both are made without a safety and yes older sigs it's like 18 lbs the new it's only like eight maybe but they make a flat trigger after market and in wrong holster it will go off because the trigger it's not the striker and it's close in size but very different and I like older sig better but it's single stack but two are made by different countries older is made in Germany new Italy but the new is modular and trigger is serialized so it's technically the whole gun again I have both and no holster is different it's like close it will go but that causes the snag not the striker
The safety on the trigger is made for If the gun is dropped and the inertia won’t allow the trigger to be depressed and causing and causing the gun to fire…..
This Sig P320 is an good firearm used by military and police all over. It’s strange how one department has three misfires but the other agencies don’t seem to have any issues with it. I have carried mine personally for the last seven years and had no issues whatsoever. Sometimes it’s operator error, or they’re using the wrong holster which is something that’s a departments fault and they should have better training, armors, and tactical personnel
As far as their expert, he did not point out anything he sound like the status quo of the person getting paid to give an opposite opinion
P226 or sig suck so you can go some were with that long babling paragraph 😂 face it glock is better
You say wrong holster? Well, people have been carrying Glocks, 1911s, m&ps etc...on the worst and cheapest holsters out there for decades without having accidental discharges. There's just something wrong with th p320..
There have been over 80 involuntary discharges involving the P320, 33 of those have been law enforcement. There's a video of a cop in Philly, gun goes off in his holster.
Army is using the M17/18 with manual safety not the P320 without manual safety.
I have both, but am still partial to the M&P 2.0. Especially with the new trigger they come with now. I have an older 2.0 with well over 15k rounds through it and it has not given me a single issue. That being said I understand the appeal of 17 rounds and a compact slide that the 45 has. Between the two that would be my choice as well.
I hear the new m&p is the best concealed carry handgun now. Beating the p365 or g43x both of which I have . I did order the p365 XL grip module for better control of gun. I can't wait to see how it feels. For 60 bucks you get to use of a different platform. That's a big plus for the sig. Next I'm going to get the new m&p just because I have different properties in different states and I want to have the best.
@@ramhammer10-4 Yes the 2.0 changed this lifetime Glock man into a S&W man. I still have my Glocks but imo the S&W 2.0 is so much more accurate and the ergonomics are far superior. S&W have really stepped up their game and still have competitive prices.
@@ramhammer10-4 with S&W's new pricing that started last month or so, the M&P Shield Plus is a phenomenal deal. You can get the standard one for 350 or the optics ready one (I would still choose this model regardless because it comes with night sights) for 400. 10/13/ and recently 15 round capacity, the best trigger in its category, softest recoiling and more shootable than the P365 or the Hellcat, aggressive grip texture, and the grip/palm swells out slightly to fill out your hands well. Plus you get life time warranty and support an American company.
This isn't great reporting when you don't mention that the US military also uses the SIG and that other departments investigating this issue found it to be user error (simple negligence) or use of unapproved and unsafe holsters. Nothing about the SIG makes it just go off on its own. There were some cases where it went off when dropped but those were fixed years ago.
This sounds like a union protecting officers by spending a lot of money to rectify a negligence issue.
Millions upon millions of these handguns are sold every year. me personally I've had mine since 2016. and have never had one single issue but again another weapon put in the hands of police officers some way somehow finds a way to go off.
these are the only people who have to do paperwork when they have an ND don't you think these issues would have popped their head up in the military who has bought millions of these and wouldn't it be more common for everybody that is a civilian to have the same problem keep in mind police and Glock having negligent discharges has always been a thing just look at the NYPD every year there's always a police officer in the NYPD that shoots himself somehow whether he's cleaning his gun maintaining his gun or just has an ND for me it's just another case of police officers not knowing how to use the equipment.
I love my Sig and had zero issues. However, the ND’s that happened with this department were caught on camera and clearly showed the officers guns were holstered and hands nowhere near the weapon. Just bizarre. I’m gonna keep my Sig until I have an issue.
Excuse me....ever heard of GLOCK LEG. Many police officers have accidentally shot themselves with glock......many videos out there
They'll likely have the same problems with the g45. Seems like a negligence issue to me, where people dont want to admit violation of firearms safety rules for concern of employment status.
These guns don't go off by themselves it's the police not having enough training and handling the guns poorly plain and simple.
The Glock 45 is a great choice! I have one and ran tons of different rounds through it with zero failure. The new trigger is much nicer than older Glocks, the front slide cuts are nice too.
Growing up in Milwaukee, they do not have any SIG's issued at all.
Their current sidearm is the FN Five Seven.
The hell are you smoking?
Keep the finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you're ready to fire. Basic firearms safety. If you're touching the trigger during your draw or reholster, you're very, very wrong.
Police officers are not always firearms people, and have had negligent discharges throughout history. Blaming the pistol is an easy way out, but it might be possible that something is happening. The Glock does NOT have a meaningful safety, and the blade on the trigger is only there to help prevent the trigger from moving if the pistol is dropped. Also, all firearms imported into the U.S. are required to have something that can be considered a “safety”.
The sig p320's are indeed up to no good, I caught my friends p320 sneaking into the man-cave and stealing Beers from the mini fridge.
You realize that these unauthorized discharges are caused by holster issues and not the firearm correct
This is exactly why Glock uses halfcocked Strikers, impossible to go off without using the trigger to cock the striker the rest of the way. Sig is just out here with fully cocked stickers, no trigger safety, and optional manual safety 🤦♂️
Are the sigs available for purchase through a FFL
yes
Had a Glock and Sig for years
Switched to Ruger 4 years ago and sold the other 2 brands
At 0:02, look at the ceiling, why all the bullet holes?
You must buy a holsters which are designed for your firearm model. No retention which can interfere with the trigger when inserting your gun or fighting with someone on the ground.
I believe it's user error and custom holsters / lowest bidder holsters. It's funny how, as others have said, they only discharge in the holster and not when being handled or on a nightstand or in a safe. A Safariland holster would probably solve this problem.
Check their holsters and training ?
I own both Glocks and Sigs and overall I prefer the Sig. I believe the Sigs do require more attention especially when holstering and unholstering when most of the accidental discharges occur. That being said, I absolutely do not believe that the Sig P320 spontaneously discharges. When you get into the facts of the case, often the officer was using sloppy technique that resulted in the unintentional discharge.
With this happening in this one department it sounds like untrained or undisciplined officers are the ones with the "accidentally discharges".
This is a very common problem with SIGs to the point where they are getting sued big time for this by a lot of people including military veterans and law enforcement agencies… look up “SIG lawsuit” and you’ll see more results than you can possibly hope to read
I know an engineer at sig and he told me they've yet to be able to recreate any of these claims ... for a 320 to fire 3 safeties would have to fail...
Suddenly everyone is a firearms expert 😂😂😂😂
Law enforcement should just go back to double action. It’s a lot more forgiving to poorly trained people. Of course more training is always better. Most only shoot once a year for their qualification and they are terrible.
So as a result of their poor training standards they should transition back to a double action gun which is actually harder to shoot accurately?
@@PPSChadwick Less likely to shoot themselves or others unintentionally. But yes that first shot will be more difficult to make hits. Which hopefully will make them want to train more to be proficient. Strikers are easier to make hits with less training, but are more likely to have accidents. Really more training is the key no matter the weapon.
@@daviddundrea3424 They won’t want to train more with or without a double action trigger. That isn’t a solution to the problem at all. Still not convinced that sticking an antiquated hammer fired 10lb pull in the hands of an untrained officer is the solution. Happy Thanksgiving!
@@PPSChadwick You sound like a Striker Fire fanboy!
@@MrDan1509 um ok…
My p320 was never my favorite or most reliable handgun, so with the slight lack of confidence in its safety added in I opted to get rid of it and buy something else.
It's a bit fishy that one department has had 3 unintentional discharges, yet there's been none at all the other departments.
It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. If there was a manufacturing problem for a day or two, that would mean multiple handguns made during that period would have the issue. So when an agency purchases, say 200 weapons in an order, they are buying 200 SEQUENTIALLY MADE FIREARMS that may have been produced on that "bad day."
"AD" aka cops who shoot there weapon once a year not keeping their booger hook off the bang switch.
Of course the cop is going to blame the firearm.......
I put over 100K rounds through sever sig 320s in competition ( with personally modified FCU's for even lighter pull weights) and guess what.......never once had the firearm AD.
Train your officers, don't blame the firearm.
That said, 45 is a nice piece also.
What they don't tell you is that the sig p320 has an external safety whereas Glock does not put any external safety except the trigger pull safety on their guns so when you walk around with a Glock in a holster The only safety that is on that is on the actual trigger so at that trigger is bumped in any way the gun will still go off whereas the cig has an external safety and if that safety is on the gun cannot be fired even if it's dropped. The only thing a actual trigger safety does is stop the gun from firing if it's dropped but if the trigger is pull or bumped or if you are re-hosting and accidentally brush the trigger up against the holster you could possibly fire that Glock off. I like sig I prefer sig I carried a Glock as an officer for years. Some departments like sig some departments like Glock they're both spectacular guns. So please people don't let this fool you into thinking don't buy sig they're both great guns they're both right there at about the same level they're both trustworthy I have no idea on how the guns went off accidentally. I would love to have seen that because I kind of find it hard to believe that they just went off accidentally but I wasn't there so seeing is believing. Not saying nothing against Glock because I know that Glocks are very trustworthy any gun with the least amount of moving parts will be better than a gun with a bunch of moving parts. Newer guns nowadays pretty much all fall under the same general outline to how they are and how they are constructed. if you take them apart they pretty much resemble each other and the first time I've seen a gun of this type of construction is in the Glock.
Glocks actually have 3 safeties. Trigger safety, Firing Pin Safety and Drop Safety just so you know. And the Sig does not have a external safety nor a drop safety.
Were these pre recall P320s? If so, they will go off when dropped at a certain angle. They are not drop safe. Sig issued a recall on these guns years ago. You can tell the pre recall P320s by the fat and thick trigger it has.
I have had my Sig P 320 compact for over a year with no problems.
I see some LEO P320 trade ins coming soon to online retailers! 😂
Sig had a huge recall to get their P320s fixed mine was among those first ones I sent it in to get fixed and installed an after market Glock like safety trigger
So basically if you breath on the 320's trigger it disengages the safty and olny then it can drop.
According to sig at least.
I have one and have had absolutely zero issues so far.
But I understand what it is and how to handle it
What holsters are being used
My P320 M17 has an external safety like a 1911 and a M9.
My agency is going to the P320. Out of an abundance of caution, I would think they would delay or go with a different weapon. Why take a chance? I've watched videos and read statements. Bizzare.
i have a m18 edition and a 40 cal and the 40 for over 3 years now the m18 just bought a 3 months ago no issues with them
Every says the trigger safety will stop ND, a Glock, M&P etc. if being holstered and has on obstruction in the holster will go off.
Lol, people have a short memory. Glock has been sued for not having an external safety. This is just stupid cops blaming the gun for their negligence.
Just like politicians blaming Firearms instead of blaming Criminals for VIOLENCE WHILE USING A FIREARM !! !!
@@texastomsshavingtips6359 my local police department just pulled this same move. A female officer had her sig go off in her purse when off duty. She claims it "just went off" without dropping it or doing anything to the firearm. Ever since the sig recall happened, police are blaming all their negligent discharges on the firearm instead of themselves.
@@NOTSOSLIMJIM it was also in a blackhawk serpa low quality holster. I think sloppy reholstering is the culprit to many of these incidents. If John E Citzens gun goes off unexpectedly its Mr. Citizens fault. If John E Cops gun goes off its the guns fault. Chula Vista PD in CA issues the P320 with not problems. And people at the local PD to me have been purchasing them personally for their duty weapons.
@@americanmilitiaman88 I'm personally a Glock guy, but only modified Glock. Stock Glocks suck. If I had to carry a stock 320 or a stock G45, I'd take the sig. Personal, I don't know why they stopped carrying the P226. It is far better than the P320, probably the price.
the civilian market has known since the 320 debuted that there was an issue with un-intentional discharges. look up sig 320 drop firing. plenty of videos of people smacking the pistol and it going off. Glock was the correct choice for the contract but the cutesy modular design got sig the nod
Hey buddy I'm sorry to tell you but Glock had drop issues too let's not forget about it did we not forget that between Gen 2 and early gen threes had drop issues yes it was resolved but again initially when Glock came out they didn't have these problems just thought I'd remind you of this issue
@@limdynamite that changes nothing
@Dynamite Matters The main difference is Glock fixed theirs right away. Sig has been trying to fix this issue since 2018 and still hasn't.
You can’t beat a glock in reliability and field use. They may not have the cutting edge that sig and others have but they are tried and true.
There's been several lawsuits on that sig. The military had problems too and I would never buy a p320
I CANNOT get my p320x full size in 9mm produced in 2021 to fire without me pulling the trigger. I've tried 20 times. I've banged it against trees, I've smacked it with my hand, I've shaken it, I've done everything short of actually dropping it (for obvious reasons) and it WILL NOT fire on its own. I'm not calling anyone a liar and I'm not a fan boy but to me, my sig is 100% safe to carry.
No one has ever demonstrated any technically plausible scenario by which a P320 could be made to fire when holstered, by anything other than a trigger pull.
EXCELLENT CHOICE, I'VE HAD A GLOCK 45 FOR 2YRS. EXCELLENT FIREARM, NO COMPLAINTS.
just buy the m18
they do sell the thumb safety pin thats what i did for my 40 cal now i have a thumb safety on my only thing is you will have to file down the area where the safety goes on the grip module but it was super easy to do
What I've seen on it leads me to believe there is an issue with the distance the the parts have to travel to disengage the safeties and that there are some firearms where the safeties are disengaging enough to allow the firing pin to release.
Unfortunately I don't have a way to confirm any of this.
I never had a reason to go cop. But my Bersa works great as needed. Heck I wanted a sign 320 at least the 45 type or maybe the 10 mm. Seems sketchy to me now. Reality is you need a good holster. If it is a bag gun. Then you should condition 3 carry it. And keep it controlled. Unless you go revolver. Or 1911 type. Change your carry type 1or3 for your gun as needed. 1911 condition 1 or 1 in chamber. Condition 3 if a pocket type gun. Revolver tend to be condition 1. But grind the hammer down. On safe or not as required. If you carry a 10 gauge in your pocket 19 inch then adjust it as needed. Keep an empty champer and no outside hammer's.
If this weapon was actually flawed, then where are all the others, like regular civilians conceal carrying this pistol and not having any random misfires. I've carried mine which was in the batch of the supposed problem pistols, and no problem. I didn't send it back and something just sounds fishy with this issue.
BuT gLoCkS dOnT hAvE a SaFeTy. 😂
I'm not a gun fan but I was just wondering...when the police say their gun just fired their believed but when a criminal says their gun just fired they're lying , but if a gun jammed , couldn't they fire as well by accident ? Just wondering because I've heard this all over the world that someone says it accidentally fired
Sounds like operator error being blamed on the weapon. Does not seem to be a wide spread issue.
Trigger saftey is no saftey
Keep yer booger hook off the bang switch. It’s that simple…striker-fire pistols CAN NOT go off on their own.
Wait, the former cop said that the "weapons were already holstered & secured" when the "unintentional discharges" happened. To me, this sounds like cops blaming their equipment when the cops try to holster the guns with finger still on trigger. There are plenty of "gun fail" videos of cops doing that exact thing with Glocks. In fact, that is reason why some departments stuck with the S&W 5906 long past its obsoletion, or use various other DA/SA sidearm (such as other Sig models). As far as I can tell, the vast majority of LE agencies are so focused on all the various gear that they simply don't put any real time, effort, or budget into proper training. Like NYPD not training with their ridiculously heavy 12lb-pull triggers on their Glocks, which make them much more difficult to shoot accurately.
I don’t own that version of the Sig or Glock but both manufacturers are reputable.
I'd be willing to bet that it was user error blamed on the sidearm out of Shame. I carry Sig sidearms and they are flawlessly as long as used properly. But that's just one man's opinion.
Poor training and improper handling makes any tool dangerous. Mostly improper handling is what I would guess that caused the unintentional discharge. The police officers should be fined just like a civilian if any these discharges caused damage.
I don’t think it’s an issue with training. Look up a video called “My Sig P320 fired on its own in the holster and tried to shoot me!” On youtube
Shut up sig suck bum
It seems after more research these guns possibly coupled with a poor holster design can cause this very problem. A machine is a machine and parts can be made wrong or wear over time. So could it be mishandling perhaps or it could be the design flaws coupled with a poor or damaged holster could have caused this.
@@stanpeterson8273 how is it a holster issue if it wasn’t the trigger that was the mechanism that failed
@@natedog380 one of the videos discussed how the trigger could be moved from a bad fitting holster. Only reporting what I saw.
There's always the chance of all 3 being due to carelessness and plain old negligent discharges. Ijs.
They can recreate the incident consistently, it's the gun.
"Unintentional discharge" does not mean it was not a negligent discharge. 99 out of 100 times, an unintentional discharge is operator error and not a failure of the firearm. You don't need to look very far to find reports of underperforming LEOs hurting themselves or someone else while training with live rounds.
How come my P320's never go off in my safe? Sounds like a training issue. People too proud to admit it.
Those m18s still going off? Sheeeesh thought they were fixed
Sig rushed the P320 to market in order to get the government contract. The safety isn't going to help anything. The holstered discharge is due to internal component problems, like maybe the seer not holding. Either way, when you rush a product you will have problems. Other Sig guns are fine and well made. This was just a greedy production that has problems. Make no mistake this is a gun problem. I've seen witnessed accounts of going off in the holster without being touched in competition shooting events. Avoid this platform.
The military is not yet reported a single issue
Give it time
@@Theprimaryfocus
I really doubt it. Idiot cops shoot themselves with glocks all the time cuz they don't know how to safely holster a gun
Wasn’t the issue allegedly corrected with a recall?
Definitely not a good look for appendix carry.
Thank you, I will buy all of them for $10 per gun. I will relieve you of such a danger.
Because some users put the P320 in P226 holsters
They don’t have a safety problem. Train the officers better. The safety issue with the sigs is pre 2017 and has been fixed
The Sig cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled, anyone who states otherwise has no experience with this weapon
It's not the gun, it's poor choice on the holster
What holsters are they using. If its safariland then i doubt its a holster issue. I know i would not want a leather or other malleable holster for the sig or any striker fired pistol. On one of the NDs a police lady had hers loaded bouncing around in her purse in a low grade blackhawk serpa holster.
How many millions of p320’s are in use? And funny, the issue is always with cops? Because God forbid they would never mishandle a firearm or not be sufficiently trained……and admit it. The early problems with the 320 were when dropped a certain way, and those were corrected. This gun cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled. Period. Also, negligent (there is no “accidental”) are common when a police force moves from double action hammer to striker fired weapons. Much shorter, easier pull on the striker compared to the double action trigger. Means you have to have more discipline it’s your trigger finger and care when holstering.
It's called keep your finger OFF the trigger until you are READY TO SHOOT.. that's the best SAFETY!
Why not Smith and Wesson or Ruger? BUY American! Let Gaston Glock starve!
The way it’s presented sounds like this is an issue with trigger control, not a trigger safety
SIG gets all the military and law enforcement contracts even though they can't make a gun that's drop safe recently a competition shooter had witnesses to his gun going off after being holstered luckily there were witnesses SIG needs to get themselves figured out or people should honestly quit buying the product
the old saying more moving parts more failing point, and now parts are removable gee just trouble.
I will be happy to buy one ! At their cost .
Yes, about time ⏲️ guys, God bless you 🙏 ❤️ guys, Police deserve the BEST.
What? Never heard of gun randomly firing. Have heard people blame that. But something caused it. Guns just don't randomly fire.
I think your officers need more training.
That's just one reason I prefer CZ & S&W Glock Canik over Sig
The Glock 45 MOS is a fine choice I own one and love it
If sig incorporated a trigger safety like the glock it would be less of an issue. Making sure the area around the holster is clear of things like the bottom of a coat or straps from a back pack and finger straight and off trigger is very important. I have the P320X and confident it wont fire until the trigger is pulled. I would say the glock is more forgivable to sloppy reholstering
Any gun in the hands of lawless enforcement is a definite safety concern
This pistol requires training and an IQ to operate safely.
I like the sig P365xl but don't like the p320 even if it didn't have problems and I really don't like how I have seen SIG deal with some of their problems if I wasn't so impressed with the p365 so far I probably won't ever buy SIG.
Switching guns will not solve that. The fault lies with the officers.
What a moronic question...at 1:08 What about asking what happens if the accidental discharges continue with Glocks given the Chief does not understand basic mechanics of a firearm (when he was asked a basic question that he differed to their gunsmith who was not present) that no one seems to question...WTF your the chief and should know your own firearm at a basic mechanical level proving private citizens are safer with their guns then the police.
i would use this with a safety if the safety locks it out