I really liked this theory video a lot! You know, this kinda makes me think, companies suddenly IGNORING the old tech seems very out of character for money hungry companies. So how about this, what if a possible future AC game will take place after Silent line, you would play as the raven who went out of his way to ensure that old tech would not be used by the wrong people anymore, this could end up with the player blowing himself up to destroy all old tech that is left. Orrrr perhaps you accept the company who was trying to dig up the old tech, and here's the twist... the company you then work with is Navis! Though, I dont think Navis really had an AC working for them in Nexus, so hard to pinpoint who was the player then,
Buster TBM Gameplay Thanks Man! Hmm, could be, but what if they're Birth/End Bomb, and suddenly lost the ability to aim after losing their protagonist status?
To be fair, I've only played 3 and Verdict Day (wellspring of positivity here), as well as knowing the Skeleton of 4, 4A and Nineball's situation. I kind of needed to simplify for myself.
Ieise fare Capitalisim would just lead to deregulation and abuse of power, basically every cyberpunk idea of the future which mech don't usually do. The most blatant being AC4 where the World Economy is so deregulated and unstable that the Corpos are basically giving Nukes to every merc they can find
Well taking a whack at it myself: Armored Core 4 lead-up: As Muscle Tracer tech leads to Armored Cores (aka normal's) the cost of the armies of nation states becomes prohibitive and their sizes shrink. The private sector (AKA Military-Industrial Complex) becomes more and more powerful. Nation states tiny armed forces of hideously expensive AC's and MT's scale down to levels where as the nation states become more and more a problem to their own MIC's, it becomes potentially possible for corporations to use elite mercenaries to combat them. But building up the force for an actual national dismantlement war is impossible because of how many normal pilots you would need. Then Kojima tech comes around, the first few NEXT prototypes come about and while the nation states drool over the possibilities, the corporations prep for the National Dismantlement War. Which as we know ended in a very short amount of time. Pax Ecenomica ensues. Plans get so big that terraforming equipment is deployed to Mars, potentially with a limited population to keep things going. Armored Core 4 occurs: Despite the issues with Kojima tech being the reason they took out the nation states to start with, the corporations spiral into their own world war equivalent and KP tech is used ever more regularly. Attempts to enhance humans to resist KP exposure build the foundation for Human Plus to come later. As things go fully to hell, some people try to flee to the Mars project. The Assault Cells end the space race rapidly and isolate Mars and Earth from each other. Armored Core For Answer: With most of the world now in ruins due to a combination of KP tech overuse and the Assault Cell's cutting off space, the events we see play out. It doesn't even matter which ending it is, the arms forts are destroyed, the cradles crash to earth and humanity rejects/loses KP tech. 80-100 years ensues. Armored Core 5: What's left of humanity starts to put itself together into something like nation states, then stumble onto some of the best tech from late AC4 era. You can guess how that turns out. The Foundation tries AI and uploading along with background control of people to try and prevent another and final tragedy as mafia style corporations come into power. The Towers, holding truly scary tech start being dug up and employed en mass. Armored Core Verdict Day: Following this mess, some of the more sane foundation members realize this only ends one way and propose a two part system to keep humanity around and solve this recurring problem. During the last days before the great calamity, a final attempt to end war is the creation of Justice (The assault cells having long since failed or been destroyed by now) but it's hacked and goes into berserk fire before it falls dormant for lack of targets. Remnants of humanity survive in Layered, run by Dove and the replica Layered run by IBIS The Foundation destroys everything it can find on KP tech. The terraforming tech originally intended for Mars is set up to fix the earth, but it's going to be a long wait. A great deal of time passes. Armored Core 1,MOA,PP/3/Silent Line: When the two Layered were set up, the plans to keep 'rogue agents' in check varied. Dove used the Ravens Nest and Nine Ball. IBIS used a more primitive equivalent of what we might recognize as Pulverisers. Data on Nine Ball was shared to some degree between Dove and IBIS, until the intentional faults in Dove started to wear it down and IBIS cut communications as planned. (It's possible this data was shared with a mirror system on the Mars colony.) IBIS would run it's Layered until people stopped it or the surface was fully fixed, Dove would eventually break down to force humanity to deal with running it's own affairs. Nine Ball was never instructed to stop defending Dove or accept Dove was broken, so as it falls apart Nine Ball starts killing anyone who postulates the truth. Eventually Dove is destroyed, Nine Ball's local platforms are broken and humanity starts poking into the surface. Silent Line ensues and IBIS is destroyed. Project Phantasma follows up on Human Plus melding of people and machines, but is destroyed. Nine Ball, when it boots from a backup, resumes it's regulatory duty as 'just the best AC pilot', until Klien destroys it and learns what it was set to do. Armored Core Nexus: The IBIS equivalent of Mars's Disorder units, the Intracinine facility's Unknowns, nearly fully activates on Earth. It's halted, despite a partial copy/ equivalent of NIne Ball being deployed, but the incident hints to Klien about what might wait on Mars. How much or little involvement Klien has is unclear, that the world is devastated is clear. Armored Core 2/AA: Humanity takes to space, following up on the limited data of the Mars project. Klien specifically wants to know what happened to the people who fled there, since Mars is dead but habitable. (Basically we can presume they mirrored what happened on earth and the disorder units, destroyed them all.) Klien loses his mind at the thought humanity will destroy itself and tries his plan to destroy those on Mars. Either he wins and it's done with, or humanity stops him and he's wrong. He loses. Armored Core Last Raven: Corporations refuse to stop poking the proverbial AI bear, provoking the Raven War. The Pulverisers wake up and by the end of the mess Earth is devastated again, but the last of the old AI and the last link to Kojima Particle tech is broken. However, the Last Raven is an appropriate title as the Earth government doesn't need mercenaries. The era of Mercenaries piloting powerful mechs that started with the development of the first Armored Cores ends here. The machines have emotional resonance with the population and refined AI tech leads to sport competition being the last use for all this tech. (Which doesn't rule out some idiot discovering KP tech and not thinking it through again.) I'd say we have space for what happened on Mars to setup the Disorder/Intracinine/Phobos Weapon thing at the very least. All kinds of crazy semi-bio tech potentially.
Interesting take on it. I would just figure between the two that Dove controlled IBIS just like the AC1 equivalent seemed to use NB as his agent, or was just a lost remnant trying to do what was left of his job.
I like to think NB is based on White Glint to some extent in this theory but he is far too early in the timeline to be remembered in Verdict day when Dove and NB are created
This was fun. I'll be interested in how AC6 will shake up the timeline. The trailer already hinted a system or even several system spanning apocalypse. It could be something like 4->5->1->2->6 then 3. It'd make it all one timeline, while adding space to the mix making it so that you aren't necessarily on earth for 3. Or, 4->5->6 with 1->2 being solar system and 3 being in another system. The possibilities of the shake up are fun to theory craft about.
@@CoffeePotato Yup! and the control of information by the AIs could lead to rewritten histories and if 6 was before 1, it'd explain the aliens in 1 and lack there of in 4 and 5.
I never considered a third split. I always assumed that Ninebreaker and Formula Front were part of the more civilized society that exists in the same universe as Nexus and Last Raven. Like all societies there's bound to be people who are very well-off and can afford these luxuries while the world burns around them.
True, they could be, at least during nexus. The reason I think they were a separate split is because of the parts available. It has more parts than Nexus, with less parts than LR, and many of those are sidegrades or evolutions of existing parts, as well as not mentioning Navis anywhere. IIRC, there was a Navis part in Nexus. That leads me to think that in a split timeline there was no Navis, and everyone just dropped the whole crazy war thing for a while. It's still very possible that both of these took place in a more advanced part of the world right before the beginning of LR, but I'd like to think those existed on a happier timeline, personally.
I see the worlds of Ninebreaker and FF as recreational whereas the other timelines are based on actual warfare. The fact that Navis parts never made it down is probably a combination of them being new to the scene and not having enough time to settle into the market to have civilian versions available or it could be since they had a monopoly on their types of products they probably made more money keeping them exclusively for real warfare. If this is the case NB and FF would fit right in between the time periods of Nexus and LR.
A-0 I'm trying to find that out at the moment actually. I could have sworn it mentioned it in one of the emails, or I read it on the TV Tropes page...or heard it on Raven's Voice... That's why this is the rough sketch version that I'm going to be going back and redoing. Currently trying to figure out where that little tidbit came from.
There are some interesting ideas here, but it raises A LOT of questions, and there are some revisions that need to be made. The idea of NB and DOVE existing both at the same time is something I've never explored, but here's my idea + some additions: AC4-VD is obvious, and the ORCA ending is canon. However, in ACV, Chief and Carol mentioned the idea of an AI program to watch over humanity, and the timeline splits into two paths from here. If the Lone Mercenary destroys the Foundation's weapons, Chief and Carol will have enough time to create Nine-Ball. If the Lone Mercenary fails to destroy them, Chief and Carol will instead quickly create DOVE as a placeholder and the Nine Breaker simulation in case another of the Foundation's weapons was unearthed. The former is AC1-AC2AA, the latter is AC3-LR. The reason why Nine Breaker uses generation 3.5 parts is because some time after the creation of the 3.5 gen parts in between SL and NX, an engineer found the simulation tucked inside a hard drive and modified it to use a more relevant set of things to train new Ravens. It's also worth noting that Formula Front exists in it's own universe unlike every other game.
Interesting ideas, and yeah, there will be a revision down the line. I was hoping to put this out there as a sort of rough draft, and then see if a more solid version could be put together with feeback, so thank You! Personally, I like to think that FF is just the happy "and then everything just went back to normal" ending.
Coffee Potato Honestly, I think that ACFF is non-canon because aside from mentioning the Generation 3 corporations it has zero ties to the story whatsoever, and it doesn't even mention Navis anywhere. Here's what I think the timeline is: AC4-ACV, then it splits here. Top path: Lone Mercenary destroys the Foundation's weapons and Chief and Carol create Nine-Ball. This leads to AC1-AC2:AA. Bottom Path: Lone Mercenary fails to destroy the Foundation's weapons and Chief and Carol instead create DOVE as a placeholder and the Nine Breaker simulation. This leads to ACVD, then AC3-LR. Some time in between SL and NX, and after the creation of the gen 3.5 parts, an engineer unearths the Nine Breaker simulation on a hard drive buried in the ground, and modifies the file to use the Generation 3.5 parts as a training program for new Ravens.
To get a better idea of what AC series is about I recommend the following videos, specially for newcomers and veterans who have not played one in a while (besides this one): - Was it really good? Armored Core from Josh Strife Plays. - The Armored Core series - A Newcomer's Journey by Writing for Games. - Armored Core Retrospective (The history of FromSoftware) by Aesir Aesthetics. - The most recent video by Vaati Vidya about AC.
Nice theory, it is fairly similar to mine actually. The only real difference is that I believe Chief and Carol created Nine-Ball/The Controller depending on whether or not the Lone Mercenary destroys the Foundation's weapons or not. If they are destroyed, then Chief and Carol have enough time to create Nine-Ball (the complete program mentioned in the ending of V). However if they aren't destroyed, Chief and Carol have to take things into their own hands and creates the Controller to watch over humanity until humanity and the surface recovers. Unfortunately, humanity somehow screws everything up, and destroys the Controller and IBIS (who is possibly Carol, but it doesn't have to be). However, humanity thought it wasn't trying hard enough, and decides to uncover a Tower filled with the Foundation's weapons A.K.A. The Internecine. Formula Front and Nine-Breaker are basically just alternate universes. Now in AC1, all the Foundation's weapons are destroyed or deactivated and Nine-Ball is trying to maintain order, and you know what happens from there. My guess of what happen to Chief and Carol is that Nine-Ball just deletes them because they are no longer needed, but it could be other things as well.
That's a cool take on it, mind if i mention this in the final version as one of the possibilities? (Seems like the area between VD and the possible split would be an interesting setting for another game that'll never happen)
Nope, this is actually serious. In the VoW mail after you beat J in Mechanized Memories, he introduces himself as J. Jester, states that the VoW members never met anyone in person, says you don't need to know anything about him as he states what could you gain from that, and at the end says his catchphrase in the mails: "have a nice war!".
AC2 AA: Mars is haunted and all by AC4 Bio Weapons, but we managed to survive AC Formula Front: AC's are now Circuit Fighters Last Raven: *Why are we still here, just to suffer*
I know AC3 was a 'soft reboot' of AC1 so I wonder if the two timelines can be squished together. AC3 is the dominant because it's the reboot but it could still be the origin of Klein's status in Nine Breaker, Phantasma is now the Interncine, the found resource in Nexus... could be related to Kojima Particles? It does make some juggling required for the new Nine Ball but, as fun head cannon, that could be the man who defeated the Dark Raven NEXT in AC5. So it could go 4 > 5 > 3/1 > 2 and since we're deep in space for 6 it's the last in line. Honestly at this point I'd be fine with AC6 DLC that essentially retells all the old games to make a solid timeline.
Or, like always, they will reference everything, confirm nothing, and we speculate forever 🤣. Like a buzzy little beehive......ACV honey cult is the Matrix over mind confirmed 🙉
To paraphrase Bender, "then I'll make my own armored core! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the armored core!" Edit: I just realized.... Don't Bandai own Super Robot Wars? That actually may end up being the best chance to have any canon confirmed... Sad I'm relying on a crossover game for it but... Eh, I'll take Klein teaming up with Char or something.
I think that the series would be split between multiple different eras, Ala Sonic Generations, Basically, taking the games main plot points that tie them together! If you will, think of the main things that relate to each entry, The Great Destruction,Layered and the internecine, and The Pax Econommica! When one of those plot points is no more, and the one after begins! So basically if we go by that logic,the Armored Core series isn't one single timeline, it's multiple different ones coming into fruition!
Yeah pretty much! This makes a lot of sense considering that the corporations change every time the main plot points do! Not to mention the series had rebooted only twice!
Which one? I'd take any Soulsborne boss any day over the nonsense that was Rocket Only Ult Zinaida, Daemon, and 2448. The Final Pulverizer is pretty tame compared to them.
Also the whole Idea that the Corpos gave essencially a Hadron Collider to every Merc in the planet is funny, imagine Deadpool luging a Nuke in his Jelopy.
@@sider0130 all AC4 is missing now is wacky deadpool esque Mech pilot causing massive environmental damage in a city, with the Corpos basically playing the "sorry" scene from South Park to avoid being bancrupt.
Just imagining the GA America guy coming over the radio and screaming "screw you guys, I'm going to space." Or doing his best CnC communism speech. Both work.
Nice lore explanation and timeline, it's really giving me some perspective throughout the ACVerse. I never really understood the lore behind it when I play it. I always just think that the world is doomed due to machinery or pollution and the struggle of the wars between AC are intensified because of that. Now I gained a lot of new info regarding the AI, Nineball and how the world shapes itself with each timeline, pretty interesting. I only play some AC games, Nexus, Last Raven and Verdict but what stood out the most for me is that Nexus ending, where the world is engulfed by those suicide bombers while you, possibly one of the few AC left, despite having an AC with great abilities to change the landscape of the world, still, in the end, lies powerless with overwhelming defeat against the very thing that human-created. It's poetic in the sense that the destruction was not caused by nature, but by a human thirst for advancement. And further, the ending of the last raven is fitting as you were the only one left but at what cost and what for? Even when you beat anything, the world still burn and the last raven ponder alone of the world fate because even tho he/she do everything and defeat everyone, it still doesn't change everything. The world still sucks and being the last raven is nothing but a hollow bragging right. It was all for nothing. It was depressing but I like it. I am gravitated by the theme of endless struggle which is why I love the ACverse. On a side note tho, I always think the proper ending for AC game is for some kind of fanfiction involving a scientist finding a solution to grow plants back in the harsh environment on the ground that accelerates humankind back to where it belongs. But this led to a final standoff between a faction that believes in the restoration and a faction that believes that restoration is wrong as they believe the restoration will only cause a vicious cycle of the earth being destroyed by advancement yet again. And in the end, as the war is vicious and reaches its climax, both sides eventually sacrifice and destroy each other in the process for their belief, signalling the extinction of the AC. While the scientist died from the war (alongside the involved party), her plan came to fruition, marking a new beginning for mankind with the technology being reset from the start. Then about some 300 years has passed, a group of digger corporations set an expedition into an old ruin than they accidentally trigger something, which led to a lone digger falling on top of something big, he dug it out and eventually find the discovery of an ancient technology called Armored Core, it was old, rusty but still barely functional. That man then rejuvenated and smirk while saying "This kind of technology will change the world!" and then the story end. Anyway, that is just my input, thanks again for sharing this info, it widen my lore of ACverse.
So fun note, the plant regrowth thing has actually come up a ton in the series. It's sort of always been a thing, but they've always stayed pretty modern reality about it. Like in most of the games you'll have the hippie nature factions, like the lady in AC3 that uses lasers to reduce pollution from shell casings. Or the Hive from AC5, who seem to be a nature cult of sorts that gets wiped out after being radicalized, but whose emblems and machines get scavenged and brought back by some random people who completely misunderstood their philosophy in ACVD. There's also always been the science faction, but they usually always mess things up. Like Kisiragi in 3rd gen, who restore plants and make gardens...but then also sell flamethrowers and create Godzilla monsters. Hell, nature in 1st Gen is scary. The Ant Hill mission is legit scarier than any horror game I've played.
@@CoffeePotato That's pretty interesting on how nature has been a recurring theme in the Armored Core game. I always thought the world of AC is dystopian and hopeless. I fondly remember if there was any nature at all. If I remember AC, I remember how they live underground instead, while the upper ground is almost certainly always desolated. This is why I never thought the topic of plantation is a thing in AC. It's also interesting how FromSoft antagonizes nature as a catalyst for destruction and a higher motive. As constantly we see the baddies trying to restore the world for the sake of the world but end up diluted with their ambition. And that's messed up how Kisaragi experimented on things and there's a Godzilla? Damn, I never knew. I wish FromSoft remastered the old AC game, so it is easily accessible to re-play a bunch of it. But yeah now I'm kinda interested to play it back and instead of playing it blindly, I want to immerse myself with the lore when I have the time. Ant Hills mission huh? I will take note of that level when I replay it. Thanks again for the input. I found it surprising you were still around to reply to a comment even after all this year. I hope you are fine and well :)
@@misterlestari5772 Yeah, it's been a crazy year, and often YT doesn't bother to let me know when comments come in for ages. AC3 probably describes this the best, but there's artificial biomes through all of the underground settings, with 2, Another Age, Master of Arena, Silent Line, and all of 4-5th gen taking place on the surface of a planet.
I heard the next Armored core game will be loosely based around dark souls. I'm thinking it will take place in the towers after ACVD. It will likely be a survival scenario against the technology of the old word, dating back to AC4 and ACFA. Doing this would explain the final boss and the broken down arms forts present in the game. The towers are said to be advanced and the autonomous arms serve as a major threat throughout the game. These strangely advanced enemies will likely be the enemies in the next game, and it would make for a good difficulty curve due to the dark aged ACs you control in the newest games. Fatman, one of the characters promises to take down the towers after the final fight, so I think it's reasonable for the story to lead there.
If you mean the cyclic thing, that's always been the case, the earth gets destroyed and rebuilt at least 3 times. Arms Fort wise, that's already explained between 4A and 5, since the power needed to run them and the cradles is just too much to keep going, they just get destroyed or collapse eventually. By canon, at least the Motherwill is directly destroyed, presumably, but 5 and VD are about what was presumably never deployed being found in the Towers, which in turn like they were the R&D behind the crazier stuff.
Even 1 has that, though, there's always wars in this series. 4 still has nations, FA has the first corporate takeover, and they've been reforming every other time.
So is armored core 6 a ending unification or the true begining of all the time lines? Looks like in the trailer that the ACs have every peice of technology from every armored core game. Everything from kojima tech weapons, next primal/assault armor, MTs, arm projector sheilds, V styled armored cores, mega cities, pulverizer units, etc. Plus it looks like the great destruction was a massive solar flare or kojima super weapon that went off and scorched the earth causing a nuclear winter, so it looks like we may have to worry about our ACs freezing over.
FS has confirmed that there's 4 timelines: - 1/PP/MoA/2/AA - 3/SL/Nexus/LR - 4/FA/5/VD - 6 Ninebreaker and Formula Front aren't canon to anything else.
While I personally think that the timelines between 1 through AA, 3 through LR and 4 through VD are all seperate timelines with no connection, I think this is easily the best theory out there when it comes to linking them together. Just a couple things, the ending being irrelevant, honestly, 90% sure that ORCA is canon given that we see the corporations going to space judging by ACV, and that explains how Omer got so much stronger and became the corporation. That being said, if there is anyone in this video's comment section who has access to a translator, I have great news. Armored Core 10 Complete Guides, a book that came out with Last Raven in Japan, has Timeline section in it, and was recently posted to the AC wiki, if ANYBODY has the means to translate this, PLEASE do so. armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Armored_Core_10_Works_Complete_File
I personally like to split AC into two separate, though optionally-connected worlds; newgen (4th and 5th), and oldgen (so far, everything else). Separating further, I then split oldgen into the 1st and 3rd gens, and in this, I'm given a rather comfy excuse as to why the two seemingly-similar worlds never, ever contact each other; they're just on opposite sides of the earth, the Layereds in the Americas (chosen because of the frequent southern-US accents in AC3), and the 1st Gen "layered" (see AC1 ending for proof that it exists) in China-Japan (because creator provincialism). Assuming real-world geography, of course. Oh, and AC3, SL, Nexus, and LR are ALL canon. This leads into one little issue; what about the American pulverizers and suicide drones? Well, remember that all of humanity went underground following a worldwide apocalypse, perhaps caused by a worldwide outbreak of these pulverizers and bomb-drones. By time AC3 ends (and perhaps AC1/MOA ends at basically the same time), nature on the surface has recovered... and the old world remained, just waiting for Navis to come in and ruin everything. Naturally, this eventually results in Last Raven, where, no matter how you look at it, this America is fucked, razed to the ground by another wave of bombings and corporate warfare. Asia simply doesn't run into the Internecine or anything akin (that lost field arena with nineball AC2AA is just noncanon silliness), thus they have plenty of time to expand, conquer and prosper in their own wonderfully violent way, enough to reach Mars - something I'm entirely willing to believe happened given the incredible technology seen in both "layereds". This means that, after AC2AA, which is probably not too far off of, if not Last Raven, than at least when Nexus occured, Asia is now, at most, a few years away from the reawakened pulverizer threat demolishing the world again.. though, at least they have Martians doing their own thing now, so I suppose humanity is safe this time. yaay, happy endings! Where do Nine Breaker and Formula Front fit into all of this? Simple... they don't!!! Well, Nine Breaker could be some sort of special training system in the post-nexus world, or even in the pre-nexus world (but then why is Nineball even mentioned in America?), but Formula Front, as a mere concept, is so vastly far-removed from the entire rest of oldgen that there is no reconciling its presence with anything else, *especially* when the American Crest, Mirage and Kisaragi are somehow also present in this nigh-utopia.
I like it, bit what about the technological differences at those times? FF and NB may very well be their own side thing, it would work out neatly, I just like to think that they're a happy ending.
As you theorize, DOVE is a relatively kind, hands-off sort of controller who doesn't really care to limit tech a lot, hence corporations get OP-I whereas those under NB's rule either go H+ or go home; and also similarly, Nexus is something of a resource war, hence booster heat is such an issue when AC2 doesn't have to worry about it. As for infrastructure tech; it could simply be that NB's society left the underground before DOVE's folk, or were otherwise less distracted, proceeding to run off to Mars while the others were stuck with Layered and, later, dealing with IBIS. And bombs, and pulverizers. Jeez, AC3 has it tough..
Playing ACSLP, I soon realized that DOVE's folk had access to space travel (hence you could get onto the satellite).. makes my theory a little bit easier in all honesty. The two halves of the world DO know the other exists - but since NB's "layered' was nowhere near IBIS', the Asian peoples were able to redevelop unhindered, and Martian colonization became easy and common. Later, DOVE's Layered comes out of the ground - and actually realizes that AC2's civilization exists, but also soon realizes it's infinitely too massive for the freshly-surfaced civilization to ever hope to compete with. From then on, an agreement is made where both civilizations will simply try not to interfere with the other in any way (along with some trade agreements, hence you get swanky AC2 parts in ACSLP).. though obviously, eventually, being corporations, there will be nowhere left to expand into except each other. DOVE's people know this all too well - it's sorta why the Silent Line was such a hot spot - and so start scrambling for something, *anything,* to keep them safe from NB's people. Which eventually ends in the Pulverizers and a desolate waste of America, but hey, they tried.
Armored core was always a story about rise and follow of power through the generations. Small villains and heroes. It's not meant to be thought of heavily as some grand novel. It's like life.
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@@kyokyodisaster4842 On my very last S Rank now, I think it's safe to say this one definitely fits a decent ways after the last timeline, as a branch from Silent Line, since there's a lot of callbacks.
I always interpreted it as so much time passes between the usage of the mechs that it becomes forgotten tech that gets rediscovered but the history repeats itself in different ways
I like your style. But 9-Ball from AC1 was a Human+ not some AI. you kind of completely ignored the Human+ program, and I don’t think there are any alternate timelines. You need to do another where you make a single timeline, and map the various corporations, the technological advancements and their business endeavors. If I ever do a full play through again, I’ll consider using a notebook to map it myself now that I’m seeing the story starts with chapter 4.
To answer the earlier stuff, technology isn't always a hard thing. Historically wars have caused massive technological regression when they got bad enough. In the case of the 4-FA-5-VD-1 theory, world governments are never a thing for the rest of the series, and largely resemble our own. By the end of 4, and going through to VD, we see the world go from functional governments to switching between outright chaos and corporate control. There are never governments through the rest of the series except AC2. So, in this case, it starts with the collapse and massive regression. After 4th Gen, the ACs switch to a bulkier, ground based style, after 4th gen's ACs basically render most of the world uninhabitable. FA ends with this scenario, and we see the damaged and mid-repair Arms Forts from FA in VD, so that's a confirmed link there. By the end of VD, humanity is being forced underground. The multiplayer is the post game, ultimately resulting in one corporation taking over, but still bring unable to win against the AIs So after being forced underground, we have two possible starts with AC1 and AC3, either happening simultaneously, or as alternate timelines. ACs would naturally adapt to be slimmer and more adaptable for their new environment, so this makes sense as to their tech. The ideas were still there, you even fight something very similar to an AC4 Land Crab in AC1 that's described as "ancient technology".
@@CoffeePotato this cannot be possible. If you play Armored Core for Answer you will see that most of the earth has been reduced to a dessert wasteland in most of its levels and cities are submerged under oceans of water. Have you played the game? The surface of earth looked to have been detroyed centuries ago. If you think about it, the mars colonies were most likely the second and third part of the story. After fighting it out with one another the main corporations and inhabitants felt they could return back to planet earth to salvage what they could. Once returning they are met with only a handful of cities that are deemed liveable and the pollution of Kojima particles still lingered. There was still the underground bunkers that survived certain countries on earth. The earth literally went through a series of terraforming. So in a way, when it comes to Verdict Day (Black Glint) prototype, you could say after defeating it the technology did regress slightly but overall the schematic helped to create the beginning of the age of Nexts. Armored core 5 was the beginning of the war that caused earth to turn into what it did. Remember, you have station colonies you infiltrate in for answer when you fight Maximilian Thermidor later throughout the game that betrayed you. His split personality could have been the double agent the entire time so you had to end up fighting because the main source of the problem was within the space colony and the people within it needed to be killed or the great war would have started all over again. After that happened you were a threat to "everyone" and that's why they sent their entire elite force to kill you. Every major corporation literally joined forces to kill you once you started getting closer to finding out the truth, your answer. Why do you think Fionna asked what you were fighting for? The story was trying to show you that at that point in time you were fighting for the wrong cause. The White Glint before you "is" you the player from the previous armored core game. After the real White Glint died your character picked up the mantle and you end up engaging in combat with your other self because of your blinded ideals. I could go on for hours because the story is so vast but you have the story out of order for sure.
@@BeyondEllisBeck Well, until we have an official timeline whenever they feel like making a sequel sometime in 2080, we just have our theories. That said, 4 has normal cities. FA has China and Line Ark underwater, but still had several standing areas. Many were abandoned for the skies. By V/VD, everything is either in mountains, flooded, or desert. AC1- Desert, but under ground. PP/MOA- still underground, above is desert. AC2- at least there's an Emraude Earth? AA- still desert, but plants are grown indoors. 3- Greenery over a blank Earth. SL- light greenery and desert, but they're making facilities on Terra firma again, only hampered by the fact that they get space lasered when venturing too far. Basically confirming that no, they were underground and were having issues keeping people down there, or needed an automated cleanup system. Nexus- nature's good now, we're above ground, but people find old buried tech again. It kicks humanity's collective posterior real quick. LR- the latest ai apocalypse gets sorted, but the immediate area is pretty jacked up again. At least we have time for Formula Front now. Those last few didn't put up as much of an issue. But, the pattern of tech hubris leading to disaster after disaster makes for a much concise story as I see it. As far as concrete links in game: 4-FA-V-VD MoA-2 3-SL Nx-LR Nx-NB 4--1 1/MoA-AA The reason I can't believe they would go in order is because LR would go into 4. We go from corporations running everything and warring constantly to a well established and regulatory government. Plus the whole thing of 4-FA having almost none of the Hidden Tech plotline every other game had... thus it makes more sense to me that this is what was buried. Pretty sure we could go on forever, though.
@@CoffeePotato Sorry but I have to disagree here as well. Verdict day took place 100 years after 5. The prototype N-WGIX was made as the baseline of White Glint's future schematic. The game was trying to show you that this was the evolution of a unit we have never seen before. This means that while armored core 4 timeline began the corporation for Line Ark was secretly building a White Glint Next to surpass the one that was temporarily used beforehand. ACFA takes place 10 years after this fact and that is when the true White Glint was completed. By design and events I feel that I am correct about 5 taking place after Last Raven. That could be the period were technology was temporarily regressed which caused the AC mechs to look far more outdated. After 5 and 100 years go by they have created a revolutionary machine that was kept secret until the time was right. That's when you come across (Prototype Glint) the rough draft of what was to come in the future. So the 100 years from 4 adds up to my original comment about the world terraforming and being submerged by ocean and desert. AC5 is pretty much the world after they started to rebuild the planet after Last Raven. You forget that in for ACFA you don't serve a company but "ORCA" a freelance mercenary gig that allowed you the ability to do what you wanted. Your consequences ended up being the results of your own actions through the game. With that we were given three endings that are not explored further because we don't have a new armored core game out at the moment. Again, it goes like this: AC1, ACPP, MOA, AC2, 2AA, AC3, ACSL, NEXUS, Nine Breaker, Last Raven, ACV, Verdict Day, 4, FA.
I don't get why 5 and Verdict Day Take Place before 4 and FA We see people going to space in Verdict Day, we see the destroyed Spirit of Motherwill, and we see that the NWGIX can't be recreated after it was blown up.
Just realized this it could be 4, 4A, then a three way split, space ending leads into 6, the ending you get on the first run of 4A leads to 5 and VD, then the ones where the sky arcs crash’s due to the player and old king
I feel like a couple of things here are a little backwards, in the original Trilogy, Nine-Ball exists in the background, and the corporations run the various underground cities, all which have local governments running them, since you do go outside a lot in the PS1 AC games. Meanwhile DOVE has a more direct control over everything, since the corporations in AC3 are constantly talking about "The Controller this" and "The Controller that" and all the missions take place INSIDE Layered, unlike AC1
In AC1, the inside areas are still underground, just like Layered. Both have outside biomes with a fake sky. If I recall correctly, they contradict themselves a few times on this, but ultimately stuck with the Artificial Sky thing. You'd think with all the advanced made to even allow such a thing, they'd bother checking outside. I'd have to replay them to be 100% on that one now that it's come up, though.
A very interesting theory! Even though,I'm kinda curious about one thing: IBIS,the other master AI of Third Gen-Assuming that DOVE won the conflict which led to it absorbing Nineball,then was destroyed by the Raven,only for IBIS to pop up after behind the Silent line,only to be destroyed by the second Raven...What happened to IBIS in the proposed AC 1 timeline? Did Nineball find it and absorb it too? Or did humanity actually never went past the Silent line in the AC 1 timeline? As a small bonus,a little headcannon for the "DOVE and NineBall were partners" theory,in that Nineball AI original designation was "RAVEN" as to be a counterpart of his partner "DOVE",both being named after birds. However,after it absorbed "DOVE",it split itself into 2 parts,Nineball became Hustler One,running things from the shadows,while the absorbed parts of DOVE became "R",the master AI of Raven's nest,however,as a mere extension that was completely subservient to Nineball
Nine Ball is the Warrior AI the general of the Army basically keeping the wars of humanity down with basically Brute force. Dove is well the Controller maintaining the peace, stabilizing the economy and government and preventing wars from starting using more subversive means Ibis is basically a factory/repository designed to keep and/or hide advanced tech from mankind and turn it against them should they try and take it. My guess is who ever designed these AIs wanted them to act as a Unit but either through the passage of time or corruption of data they turned on one another.
Picked up Armored Core 2 as my first game and fell in love. AC 3 was my next, with Silent Line AC and finally Nexus. I went and bought the first three ps1 games but only played the first before my games were 'repurposed' I sometimes wish I had started the series in the ps1 era. I played a bit of ninebreaker a friend hand, and saw where last raven was going. When I saw that the new Armored Core games forced you to pilot a preset schematic AC and didn't let you customize from the start I knew the franchise was suffering from "Halo gen" syndrome and was dead to me. Also the dropbox link is dead.
It does let you customize, you just get a few choices of starter AC. It plays it a bit like Silent Line in that regard. You similarly get only a few options to start, and expand constantly every few missions.
@@CoffeePotato Silent Line you could sell starting parts to get better replacements, same as every other AC before it. And there were never "schematics" for ACs, there were no set of parts "meant" to be built together into a design. No problem with you or anyone else liking the newer games, but don't tell me that my reason for not liking them isn't valid. You were your own Raven in every other AC game and every AC you took into a sortie or a battle was YOUR OWN MAKING. Win or Lose it's all your decisions. The newer games give you preset schematics and tends to have a "right" and a "wrong" way to build your AC. And that's not my cup of tea. That's like the Front Mission series going from turn based tactical RPG with full customization to a garbage tier Armored Core 1 rip off in Front Mission 5 with over the shoulder FPS game play. It's ok if you like Front Mission 5, but you can't tell a fan of the series they're wrong for not liking it because they threw the gameplay of the series out the window. It's like making a Star Wars movie without light sabers, space battles, or the jedi or sith. Imagine a Star Wars comedy /citcom/ romance drama. Would some like it? I guess. Would most that like it only like it because of the IP references? You bet. Would someone be wrong for not liking it because it is only Star Wars in name and details and plays out more like Friends or Big Bang Theory? No they wouldn't. I like Armored Core for a specific set of passionate reasons. Those Reasons were dropped, for me, in the newer games.
I think all the games can be fit into one timeline. Here's my timeline. AC4 > AC: FA > AC5 > AC:VD > AC3 > AC: SL > AC: Nexus > AC: LR > AC1 > AC: PR > AC:MoA > AC2 > AC:AA After AC:VD, humanity decides to go underground due to scrounging around on the surface not being a viable option for survival, and to put a AI controller in charge because of how chaotic things were becoming by the end of the Verdict War and the destruction caused by it. Some time later, humanity rediscovers the surface after the events of AC3. I think AC 3 and its sequels can also be placed before AC 1. After AC: SIlent Line, in AC: Nexus, humanity is settling on the surface when dangerous artifacts (the pulverizors) are discovered at the end of the game, which leads to them almost destroying and severely damaging human settlements on the surface. (the pulverizors could also be related to the UNACS/AI technology from AC 4/AC:FA or the tech from AC 5/AC:VD). In AC: Last Raven, the surface is still reeling from the damage of the pulverizors. AC parts have also regressed technology because of all the damage with parts being inferior now (increased risk of overheating weapons). and the raven conflict with the corporations, along with the threat of the pulverizors leads to even more damage to the remains of humanity, ending with all ravens except one being destroyed. After the aftermath of the destruction in AC: LR, the surface is heavily damaged and inhabitable. all hell breaks loose as humanity goes into all out war for survival (the Thirty Years War that leads to the great destruction before AC1). Humanity is forced to underground yet again, and is under even stricter supervision from an AI, Nineball (in part, created from whatever scraps of old tech was left after the destruction). Nineball is more strict and ruthless than DOVE from AC 3 to keep humanity in check to prevent the events of AC: Nexus and AC: LR from ever happening again. AC technology has also been reduced to basic levels (as can be seen in AC 1 with the lack of Over-Boosting, orbital weapons, and etc.) because of the loss of technology due to the destruction from the pulverizors. AC technology improves over time for example, with the Over Boost being rediscovered, prior to AC 2. I dunno about Formula Front or the mobile games though, lol. Also, Ninebreaker could be a testing program or simulation as frequently speculated.
2:40 Well this far into the video, and even though I haven't played AC4 or ACFA, I still know that Ravens were a thing, but they've all died out, and Amored Cores are now called Normals, and the current thing being used are NEXTs. Pilots are now called Lynx. So Ravens and Armored Cores are not only already established, but in the past. So I'm not sure how you can figure AC4 and 4Answer at the start of the time line when, canonically, it explicitly states there was a generation before it. It even acknowledges the raven in Nexus that died to the Unmanned Suicide Bomber assault.
Pretty much what is my theory. Also, i think somewhere is mentioned that NEXTs cant be piloted by regular Humans or at least that they are unable to use their full potential, so Lynx actually could be the human+ succesors (or exactly the same but the term changed for some reason). This would also explain why everyone only ever deploys small groups of NEXTs aside from obvious financical and logistical problems compared to ACs/Normals. ACs as shown in V and Verdict Day are also more advanced than everything in AC 1 up to 3, clearly having a bit of "NEXT DNA" still in them, not to mention that you start out with something that got cobbled together from junk parts, possibly some actual NEXT Tech here and there allthough no one recognizes it as that. There is all in all more evidence that the timeline starts with AC1 and not AC4.
@@heiniknallkopp9688 AMS, Lynx Pilots have a high AMS that lets them wire their nerves into the controls of the NEXT. Humans have a natural AMS apptitude (without experimentation) and naturally high AMS humans make for naturally gifted Lynx pilots. The only thing close to a Human Plus would actually be Pilots with LOW AMS that are given a secondary system to help them compensate, which creates psychic stress on the pilot. The only people with Human PLUS/OP Intensify are enemy A.I.s as the option is not given to the player (Firing back canons while moving, ect) The reason Normals exist in the game are to replace Muscle Tracers, don't get me wrong. I've seen footage of gameplay of NEXT vs Normals. The Normals act like MTs in previous games, except WEAKER. MTs would actually move around, boost, dash, stafe, and track you better. I watched Normals in this game STAND STILL, and TURN SLOWLY, like a turret, and fire LOW VELOCITY POOR TRACKING rounds at a next. This is the game developers way of CREATING THE ILLUSION of how bad the NEXTs are by having them go "Look how much of a joke they make Normals seem!" When in reality, no one piloting an Armored Core ever stands still, turns slowly, and fires with a tier 1 Rifle. The in game reasoning is a narrative excuse. Armored Core 5 goes back to Armored Cores for some reason, and the inclusion of ULTIMATE weapons is so obviously From Software having long since lost touch with the player base, and having no idea how to keep people interested, so they just go for the OOOOO SHOCK AND AWE value the Halo gen of gamers are reliable for liking and buying. Nothing screams "I have no idea how to handle power scaling" then making Armored Cores bigger, giving them 9,999+ AP, and giving them extra features and claiming the "Worf Effect" is good story telling. P.S. : Look up what the Worf Effect is. And we both agree, just by observation, anyone that isn't a dumb ass brain dead moron "Stan" can tell AC4 era games are not at the start of the timeline. I mean, to think AC4 is where the story starts you must have a DUMB HIGH 189 IQ.
The reason why people believe that armored core 4 and 4answer are the beginning of the timeline is because of the presence of real-world nations America, China, and Europe were still a thing before the national dismantlement War occurred and the corporations like GA America and GE Europe replaced the government systems. The reason corporations were able to win where due to NEXTS which as you know already are the successor to the Normals or ACs. The thing about NEXTS though is that they cause massive pollution due to Kojima particles they use. This pollution comes into play in 4answer in which you see most of humanity had been placed in cradles far above the sky and countries like China are now completely submerged underwater and many cities are now reduced to sprawling deserts. The thing about the cradles though is that the pollution that is caused by the Kojima particles will eventually reach the sky making the many endings of 4answer redundant. The outcome will always be that most humanities population dies. Come in 5 in which one of the only outposts of humanity is undergoing a revolution using what have basically modified normals from the AC4 you could tell that they are modified normals due to the fact that they are only capable of jumping not flying are smaller than NEXT considerably see NWGIX as a reference for a NEXT and lack of any he Kojima weaponry we see in AC4. The reason AC5 is one of the important games story-wise is that it sets the stage of what would become the ai known as Nineball. The protagonist of Armored core 5 is referred to by the Dark Raven and bests many of the Cororpations ACs and other unknown weapons. This corporation is represented by two characters Cheif and Carol. Cheif who you kill serval times throughout the game and yet comes back. he games end with you killing what is basically a bootleg next and cheif and carol running away. As humanities,last settlement is basically ruined by what was a ry violent revolution humanity was basically forced to start exploring the polluted zone. What they found were large towers which were basically humanities last-ditch attempts to get to space. These towers held AC parts along with some AC4 gen technology these towers. In the polluted zone, e see cradles from Armored core 4 some remains of NEXTS. In a pre-equal to AC Verdict story from soft basically told the events of what happened between the two games and what happened basically confirmed the link between verdict day and armored core 1. w.atwiki.jp/armoredcoreforever/pages/637.html#id_cd3a08f0
@@benjaminzelnick3983 So how does that wall of text contradict my reasoning for why it's not at the start? Because it doesn't address my points and looks like you're trying to stretch harder than Monkey D. Luffy.
The wall of text I provided comes directly from fromsoft in it you can see that Carol and Cheif are precusors to nineballs A.I if you played armored core 1 and MOA you would reconizge the not of the program part and the whole what is it you wish part of speech This also answers how the term raven came to be as the protag of AC5 is referred to as the dark raven. If you had played AC4 you would also know that the main character is a Raven as he was a former normal pilot. Also i dont know what gave you the impression that Armored core 5 acs are bigger or stronger than nexts when in the final mission of verdict day you fight a prototype NEXT who servely outclasses you in height and speed. Basically what the point that im trying to across is that if AC4 is after last raven and 4answer then five then why is the player basically piloting a normal from AC4? If you seen gamplay of 5 you would notice a significant downgrade in comprasion from the ac you pilot to a NEXT.
Where? There's very few mutually exclusive connections. Klein confirms MoA->2, but doesn't disprove a split. Nineball is confirmed destroyed alongside it's brain several times in MoA, but a similar, though differently named version of the same thing takes place in 3-LR. That said, there's still a Nineball. Looking back on it, I think the split would come down to whether Leos wins or loses. If he loses, the computer and it's agents quietly just run things until it breaks. In 2, governments are reestablished instead, and once the Mars issue is settled...there's not much left to do. Then again, it's FromSoft game, so it could just be a cyclical loop straight from VD to 1, 2-AA is just a side story, and 3 just forgot about 1-MoA...who knows. Not like we're getting any official confirmation any time soon 🤣
i do liek the bit with the insulatino shortage leadfing to a full part redesign gives an inlore reason as to why all the parts got renamed from 3 ot NX
Well, an official confirmation is unlikely, but FROM love their Cyclical stories. Tech progression and regression wise, I think it makes sense, at any rate. As far as 4-5th being first, I suppose there's a few signs, at least. 4th has what looks like 1-3rd ACs, has a presence to them, as well as a reason to drop NEXTs. 5th shows NEXTs being all bit abandoned, and given a chunkier form, whole 1-3rd gen esque ACs still seem to do the grunt work in the background. At the end of 5th gen, most of the big super weapons are gone, but still will wander in from time to time. For example AC1 and MoA has giant MTs that look a lot like the Land Crab from 4. Plus, 4's drone weapons would feasibly be able to be stored somewhere, so if they were activated by a rogue AI as we see, it could potentially be a series of logical, if mostly unrelated events that make up the plot, which, again, FROM loves to do. The plan is still to make a follow up to this given several new bits of information that have come up over the last year. Hopefully that will complete the convincing process :-P
@@CoffeePotato this is E responding it's so refreshing to communicate to somebody else who really likes the game series as well I consider myself a little bit of a nut job when it comes to playing these games you have quite the interesting Theory there I understand where you're coming from but Honestly though armored Core 3 comes before armored Core 4 in the original trailers of armored Core 4 you can see a battle taking place between the starter units from armored Core 3 fighting I think it was nobles I think that's how you spell it don't quiz me xD but you see it the thing that really happened is they got their hands on the pulverizer technology and that's what they were able to use to make the Next Generation armored Core technology you see Alliance won the war between vertex and the other forces as well as the internecine that was shut down after the last Archangel pulverizer was destroyed I don't have any direct links between next technology and the internecine and the pulverizers however there's lots of small things that pinpoint it if you played last Raven and Nexus you'll kind of see the similarities between the Technologies used there's obvious references every time that you encounter a pulverizer your AC will say unknown energy signature detected cannot identify not to mention the blue fluid motion of the energy in the pulverizers parts look almost eerily like Kojima particles especially if you've seen the internecine and the unknowns or unmanned suicide weapons share a common similarity to the eX dragon weapons later similar technology shows up in armored Core 5 verdict Day as the unmanned attack drones and suicide drones that you encounter a lot they even give off the same red glow which is just kind of eerie looking if you ask me but yes from what I understand or at least from what I can take out from all of this especially Great War before armored Core 4 that there was a lot of Raven then and that is hinted at several times in armored Core 4 that they used to be lots of Raven and conventional machines but it is insinuated that they all got wiped out other than your character that you play at he simply titled as unknown who also would inherit the white glint name is said to have fought in this last great battle of the Ravens and to be the last surviving Raven which is why you're always called A Relic I don't really know that much about the armored Core 2 universe and original but in armored Core 3 PSP versions you can get some of the armored Core 2 parts and weapons and armored Core 1 parts and weapons and from the dialogue of those parts simply stating that these are older parts that aren't used anymore or something else like that usually insinuates that armored Core 2 took place before armored Core 3 although I've got no goddamn clue what happened between those two games so don't even ask me that but on top of this information that I do have I do know zen one of the directors which has been around since the first game had said before that's the internecine was the remnants of the original Hustler one which sort of solidifies that armored Core 2 and original armored Core serious is before armored Core 3 and with the other hints that armored Core 3 is before armored Core 4 that being that the Ravens were wiped out by the nexts sort of makes me believe that that's how things went and yes I know that from software has its own trickery although I do believe that this is how it truly did go that and being that the NW G9 in armored Core verdict Day is constructed from parts of a Lancel specifically the head I think this other AC unit was called a 04an it was sniper arms from that unit and the legs from that unit but with the core part of the Alsia I'm not remembering how to spell that name but it's the one that Odstarva piloted and I almost 100% know that I spelled those two things wrong but you being a smart individual I'm sure you can decipher what I'm saying although I could just be wrong and that's not 100% of everything that I know but that's all I feel like putting down because this comment is already too long xD and I appreciate you taking the time to make this video and respond to my comment it's nice to talk to another armored Core player* salutes* till next time Raven
@@ethanspaziani1070 Always great to meet a fellow theorist on this! Personally, I feel like Pulverizers throwing out radiation would have cause them to interfere with systems more in LR. Plus, if we go with the earlier theory, VD had adaptive AI that studied and build new units, plus they basically raze the earth at the end, meaning to make new units, they'd presumably need to study the new things humanity came up with again. What do you think the odds are of AC6 ever confirming any of this?
@@CoffeePotato hahaha yeah I can see your point most clearly however I must say this normal units can operate in the presence of nexts and they're based on the older Technologies which The Raven is piloted so I'm going to go ahead and say that I think that there's lots of mysterious stuff about armored Core 5 timeline like the zodiac I think that there was lots of different projects to recreate h1 in a way by the way what are the thing that you should probably know this is actually fact by the way 😅 there's an official story after armored Core 5 that explains chief and his operator Carol I think that's her name oh yes and if you have armored Core 5 I want you in the very first mission 00 to go by the bridge where the very first resupply helicopter pad is turn off the music turn the sound effects all the way up turn the voice all the way up and listen to the PA speaker you will hear father telling a story about what happened but the story behind Chief and Carol is that they were created by the corporation's to watch over the Earth whenever they left for space after the energy was redirected to the anti-satellite batteries
I very much so do urge you to listen to the PA speaker admission 00 of armored Core 5 this is something that most people haven't seen it to have picked up on xD
Ideas about FA's ending: If we go by the AC1-AC2AA split, then we know that humanity has gone to space. This implies that the ORCA ending is canon since the Assault Cells were shot down. Of course, it is possible that humanity in that time found another way to shoot down the Assault Cells. If we go with the AC3-AC3SL split, then we know that the 2nd Layered (with IBIS) has that satellite cannon. This could in fact be an Assault Cell. If so, then this implies that either the League ending or the Destruction ending is canon. Or perhaps this cannon is not an Assault Cell and was built separately. At the end of the day, the ending probably doesn't matter that much (as you've already stated)
Jack Wachter True, do You know if they stated how many of them dealies they had lying around? In the AC1 timeline there's the Justice mission, so maybe it was the same thing, they just gave it cool names on both sides. Both do seem to involve different layouts, but the same general idea of blowing up batteries around a big spiral. It's possible the Justice was just better adjusted and protected because Murakumo had it, while the AI figured one of it's units was good enough...and was correct a surprising amount of the time.
Well, at least according to my theory, that is a remaining Foundation weapon that wasn't destroyed by the Lone Mercenary (In my theory, Armored Core 3 happens if the Lone Mercenary fails to destroy the Foundation weapons).
Rue Ryuzaki I like to think it would have been impossible for them all to be destroyed. At the end of VD it's heavily implied that they've got available and manufacturing capacity for a near infinite amount of these things. If the multiplayer is assumed to be Canon, no matter which side wins or loses, there's still bosses out there, and the war just keeps on going until one day the higher ups see the mercs and armies won't be enough, move their populations underground, and nuke the known machine sources and cities in an attempt to eventually have an earth to go back to.
Yes, I agree. Though it should be stated that in the AC1 case, while the Lone Mercenary destroys most of them and disables Justice, Justice still fires and some of the weapons still remain. Still, one must wonder why the Lone Mercenary decided to bring the most least effective AC possible.
I am genuinely hoping the new leak about thr next AC game is legit this time because I'm wondering what path they'll take on this. I've heard talk of a reboot, does this mean another new timeline? Or are we going to see a time before AC 4 where normals are the highest level of tech just before NEXT technology takes the main stage
Based on what I've seen and read, it's another reboot, so that's normal, but of the AC2 variety. It's in space, on some other planet, with screenshots that seem to imply 3rd gen builds, 4th gen dodges, and 5th gen chonk.
I'd bet on Dove, personally. The Dove AIs have some scary terminators, and there's a whole bunch of them, but only 1+1 Nineballs. Which, come to think of it, we should totally test. I'll get started.
@@andrewrogers3067 Fair, but he always seems to send one, while leaving one behind. Hence the 1+1. I always figured he couldn't control too many at once, with the last fight being the sort of over clock thing they could only do once.
Think JARVIS vs ULTRON and thats basically it, or maybe they are making viruses to corrupt each other or are hacking into each others systems in Miliseconds.
@@CoffeePotato makes sense if Dove is the one handling Humanity while Nineball is only ever ment to police it he does have an advantage but Dove is stationary while Nineball seems to go around so its possible Nineball could shut him down by infiltrating his systems
Hello mate, do you still have a dropbox armored core timeline? Because that Dropbox link is no longer exist, and i want to know more about that timeline. Thank you.
@@nibel-k1433 Depends on what you're going for. For Answer feels and looks better, while playing pretty dang well. Verdict Day has more gadget and weapon variety, as well as a unique Hardcore Mode that makes the single player much more interesting, but the mechanics can be confusing, and it's pretty hard to look at a good chunk of the time. So mechanically I'd prefer VD under other circumstances, but FA just feels so much better to play, is generally smoother, and feels a lot more alive.
@@nibel-k1433 I'd recommend FA for sure if choosing which one gives the better impression. VD is like Last Raven in that it's mechanically well made, but gives an awful impression
I have always wondered myself how all the games came together I assumed that fifth and VD games came after Last Raven given its ending and on the concept of the Companies and what government was around ignoring the old tech in Nine Breaker that seems kinda out of place but I can seem them doing that if they were smart enough to figure out what it all did and how it could screw them over.
Well, as a species, we are oddly gifted at weaponizing things in the worst ways possible. Mentally this list seemed like the most straight forward plotline to me.
@@CoffeePotato welp I am trying to understand the lore and the story of armored core a lot more and I am explaining it to my friends but I need this in a photo format in order to do so...if you want...you can leave your water mark of your name in the corner in the front to show you are the owner of it...which I don't mind
The story's reverse engineered Mucle tracing equipment from ac4 /FA, Wars escalate? So the mech Muscle tracing machines that evoled into armored core / Human plus aka (Human/cyborg piolts interfaces) with there machines. They were lost due to the wars from Ac4 too VD and what was left in the towers and humans were able too engineer them and start the psx triology... the theorys are band waggoning over each other's ideas. The story has too be in order the games came out.. In the end of VD/5 they state they are trying to prevent the dark Raven/players decisions to kill everyone in FA and the destruction... + Kelins actions to kill Serph N.B. 1000's years later 5 takes place and they try agian, but still have some Next tech available but it's not fully understood. The game States thousands of years have passed and they fear the "Player" aka the dark Raven.
Why would the games have to take place in the order the games came out? A lot of eastern stories, and especially FROM's stories like to operate in an intentionally confusing order. Considering many of the earlier stories mention that governments no longer exist, considering that 4th gen is the closest to the world as we know it geographically, as well as the fact that 5th gen has dead machines from 4, that already solidly places them first in line. VD implies an inescapable end, and 1 starts with humanity living underground. From there there's conclusions that could be drawn about who did what when, but I feel that the above is the most story path. The rest is drawn from how and when things evolved from there, based on gameplay.
@@CoffeePotato it doesn't make sense tho the reversed engineered technology along with the way Reaper J speaks in the past tense, so did maggy, Leo, and the way the A.I. story rolls thru
KARASAWA-MK2 Part Description Armored Core 2/Armored Core 2: Another Age Successor to a famous weapon. End of discussion. Unless you say weapons are non canon...
Right, and FA was full of endless amounts of nonsensical super weapons that got abandoned after the earth got jacked up. I mean AC4 has those drones from Nexus and Last Raven as just standard attack drones.
I don't see how that conflicts. It gets called Karasawa in 1st gen, and 2 does make sense after it, I never said 2 didn't come after 1. I think it was 4th-5th-1st-Then a 2nd/3rd alternate timeline situation, that was in the video pretty clearly.
For fuck's sake, this keeps getting linked by people as "evidence" to support their baseless pet timeline theories. Stop trying to make a unified timeline. There isn't one. The games don't all fit neatly into one universe. With a few exceptions, no thought was given to any sort of overarching continuity while creating them. :allduerespect: :heresy: :crowhat: :toadcrouch:
That's why it's a theory. It's FromSoft, fuzzy lore assumptions are the other half of the game. Moreso I'm shocked folks were linking this, that's neat!
I wish you had scripted yourself. You could've taken out a lot of the rambling and repeating and it would've been easier to do more than one take (to remove the sighs, "um"s, and pauses). It's very difficult to focus on what someone's saying when they don't seem to be saying anything in particular.
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I really liked this theory video a lot!
You know, this kinda makes me think, companies suddenly IGNORING the old tech seems very out of character for money hungry companies.
So how about this, what if a possible future AC game will take place after Silent line, you would play as the raven who went out of his way to ensure that old tech would not be used by the wrong people anymore, this could end up with the player blowing himself up to destroy all old tech that is left.
Orrrr perhaps you accept the company who was trying to dig up the old tech, and here's the twist... the company you then work with is Navis!
Though, I dont think Navis really had an AC working for them in Nexus, so hard to pinpoint who was the player then,
Buster TBM Gameplay Thanks Man! Hmm, could be, but what if they're Birth/End Bomb, and suddenly lost the ability to aim after losing their protagonist status?
Navis had Pin Fire!
*From Software story writers furiously taking notes for AC 6*
The motto of the story is leave the really advanced tech alone. Also (in most cases) screw corporations. Got it.
It's like a happy little beehive made of terminators!
To be fair, I've only played 3 and Verdict Day (wellspring of positivity here), as well as knowing the Skeleton of 4, 4A and Nineball's situation. I kind of needed to simplify for myself.
@@harryunderwood9387 It's all pretty grim, Silent Line and Formula Front are the closest to positive endings
Ieise fare Capitalisim would just lead to deregulation and abuse of power, basically every cyberpunk idea of the future which mech don't usually do.
The most blatant being AC4 where the World Economy is so deregulated and unstable that the Corpos are basically giving Nukes to every merc they can find
Well taking a whack at it myself:
Armored Core 4 lead-up: As Muscle Tracer tech leads to Armored Cores (aka normal's) the cost of the armies of nation states becomes prohibitive and their sizes shrink. The private sector (AKA Military-Industrial Complex) becomes more and more powerful. Nation states tiny armed forces of hideously expensive AC's and MT's scale down to levels where as the nation states become more and more a problem to their own MIC's, it becomes potentially possible for corporations to use elite mercenaries to combat them. But building up the force for an actual national dismantlement war is impossible because of how many normal pilots you would need. Then Kojima tech comes around, the first few NEXT prototypes come about and while the nation states drool over the possibilities, the corporations prep for the National Dismantlement War. Which as we know ended in a very short amount of time. Pax Ecenomica ensues. Plans get so big that terraforming equipment is deployed to Mars, potentially with a limited population to keep things going.
Armored Core 4 occurs: Despite the issues with Kojima tech being the reason they took out the nation states to start with, the corporations spiral into their own world war equivalent and KP tech is used ever more regularly. Attempts to enhance humans to resist KP exposure build the foundation for Human Plus to come later. As things go fully to hell, some people try to flee to the Mars project. The Assault Cells end the space race rapidly and isolate Mars and Earth from each other.
Armored Core For Answer: With most of the world now in ruins due to a combination of KP tech overuse and the Assault Cell's cutting off space, the events we see play out. It doesn't even matter which ending it is, the arms forts are destroyed, the cradles crash to earth and humanity rejects/loses KP tech. 80-100 years ensues.
Armored Core 5: What's left of humanity starts to put itself together into something like nation states, then stumble onto some of the best tech from late AC4 era. You can guess how that turns out. The Foundation tries AI and uploading along with background control of people to try and prevent another and final tragedy as mafia style corporations come into power. The Towers, holding truly scary tech start being dug up and employed en mass.
Armored Core Verdict Day: Following this mess, some of the more sane foundation members realize this only ends one way and propose a two part system to keep humanity around and solve this recurring problem. During the last days before the great calamity, a final attempt to end war is the creation of Justice (The assault cells having long since failed or been destroyed by now) but it's hacked and goes into berserk fire before it falls dormant for lack of targets. Remnants of humanity survive in Layered, run by Dove and the replica Layered run by IBIS The Foundation destroys everything it can find on KP tech. The terraforming tech originally intended for Mars is set up to fix the earth, but it's going to be a long wait. A great deal of time passes.
Armored Core 1,MOA,PP/3/Silent Line: When the two Layered were set up, the plans to keep 'rogue agents' in check varied. Dove used the Ravens Nest and Nine Ball. IBIS used a more primitive equivalent of what we might recognize as Pulverisers. Data on Nine Ball was shared to some degree between Dove and IBIS, until the intentional faults in Dove started to wear it down and IBIS cut communications as planned. (It's possible this data was shared with a mirror system on the Mars colony.) IBIS would run it's Layered until people stopped it or the surface was fully fixed, Dove would eventually break down to force humanity to deal with running it's own affairs. Nine Ball was never instructed to stop defending Dove or accept Dove was broken, so as it falls apart Nine Ball starts killing anyone who postulates the truth. Eventually Dove is destroyed, Nine Ball's local platforms are broken and humanity starts poking into the surface. Silent Line ensues and IBIS is destroyed. Project Phantasma follows up on Human Plus melding of people and machines, but is destroyed. Nine Ball, when it boots from a backup, resumes it's regulatory duty as 'just the best AC pilot', until Klien destroys it and learns what it was set to do.
Armored Core Nexus: The IBIS equivalent of Mars's Disorder units, the Intracinine facility's Unknowns, nearly fully activates on Earth. It's halted, despite a partial copy/ equivalent of NIne Ball being deployed, but the incident hints to Klien about what might wait on Mars. How much or little involvement Klien has is unclear, that the world is devastated is clear.
Armored Core 2/AA: Humanity takes to space, following up on the limited data of the Mars project. Klien specifically wants to know what happened to the people who fled there, since Mars is dead but habitable. (Basically we can presume they mirrored what happened on earth and the disorder units, destroyed them all.) Klien loses his mind at the thought humanity will destroy itself and tries his plan to destroy those on Mars. Either he wins and it's done with, or humanity stops him and he's wrong. He loses.
Armored Core Last Raven: Corporations refuse to stop poking the proverbial AI bear, provoking the Raven War. The Pulverisers wake up and by the end of the mess Earth is devastated again, but the last of the old AI and the last link to Kojima Particle tech is broken. However, the Last Raven is an appropriate title as the Earth government doesn't need mercenaries. The era of Mercenaries piloting powerful mechs that started with the development of the first Armored Cores ends here. The machines have emotional resonance with the population and refined AI tech leads to sport competition being the last use for all this tech. (Which doesn't rule out some idiot discovering KP tech and not thinking it through again.)
I'd say we have space for what happened on Mars to setup the Disorder/Intracinine/Phobos Weapon thing at the very least. All kinds of crazy semi-bio tech potentially.
Had to do some editing after double checking info verses my memories. Like where Nexus and Last Raven took place. It's been too darn long blast it.
Interesting take on it. I would just figure between the two that Dove controlled IBIS just like the AC1 equivalent seemed to use NB as his agent, or was just a lost remnant trying to do what was left of his job.
What a creative, stupid idea.
I like to think NB is based on White Glint to some extent in this theory but he is far too early in the timeline to be remembered in Verdict day when Dove and NB are created
This was fun. I'll be interested in how AC6 will shake up the timeline. The trailer already hinted a system or even several system spanning apocalypse.
It could be something like 4->5->1->2->6 then 3. It'd make it all one timeline, while adding space to the mix making it so that you aren't necessarily on earth for 3.
Or, 4->5->6 with 1->2 being solar system and 3 being in another system.
The possibilities of the shake up are fun to theory craft about.
Sounds like we're in space again for this one.
@@CoffeePotato Yup! and the control of information by the AIs could lead to rewritten histories and if 6 was before 1, it'd explain the aliens in 1 and lack there of in 4 and 5.
I never considered a third split. I always assumed that Ninebreaker and Formula Front were part of the more civilized society that exists in the same universe as Nexus and Last Raven. Like all societies there's bound to be people who are very well-off and can afford these luxuries while the world burns around them.
True, they could be, at least during nexus. The reason I think they were a separate split is because of the parts available. It has more parts than Nexus, with less parts than LR, and many of those are sidegrades or evolutions of existing parts, as well as not mentioning Navis anywhere. IIRC, there was a Navis part in Nexus. That leads me to think that in a split timeline there was no Navis, and everyone just dropped the whole crazy war thing for a while. It's still very possible that both of these took place in a more advanced part of the world right before the beginning of LR, but I'd like to think those existed on a happier timeline, personally.
I see the worlds of Ninebreaker and FF as recreational whereas the other timelines are based on actual warfare. The fact that Navis parts never made it down is probably a combination of them being new to the scene and not having enough time to settle into the market to have civilian versions available or it could be since they had a monopoly on their types of products they probably made more money keeping them exclusively for real warfare. If this is the case NB and FF would fit right in between the time periods of Nexus and LR.
Exile51 Good points
I don't remember any Navis AC parts. Which ones were those?
A-0 I'm trying to find that out at the moment actually. I could have sworn it mentioned it in one of the emails, or I read it on the TV Tropes page...or heard it on Raven's Voice... That's why this is the rough sketch version that I'm going to be going back and redoing. Currently trying to figure out where that little tidbit came from.
The new armoured core trailer brought me here
There are some interesting ideas here, but it raises A LOT of questions, and there are some revisions that need to be made.
The idea of NB and DOVE existing both at the same time is something I've never explored, but here's my idea + some additions:
AC4-VD is obvious, and the ORCA ending is canon. However, in ACV, Chief and Carol mentioned the idea of an AI program to watch over humanity, and the timeline splits into two paths from here.
If the Lone Mercenary destroys the Foundation's weapons, Chief and Carol will have enough time to create Nine-Ball. If the Lone Mercenary fails to destroy them, Chief and Carol will instead quickly create DOVE as a placeholder and the Nine Breaker simulation in case another of the Foundation's weapons was unearthed. The former is AC1-AC2AA, the latter is AC3-LR.
The reason why Nine Breaker uses generation 3.5 parts is because some time after the creation of the 3.5 gen parts in between SL and NX, an engineer found the simulation tucked inside a hard drive and modified it to use a more relevant set of things to train new Ravens.
It's also worth noting that Formula Front exists in it's own universe unlike every other game.
Interesting ideas, and yeah, there will be a revision down the line. I was hoping to put this out there as a sort of rough draft, and then see if a more solid version could be put together with feeback, so thank You!
Personally, I like to think that FF is just the happy "and then everything just went back to normal" ending.
Coffee Potato Honestly, I think that ACFF is non-canon because aside from mentioning the Generation 3 corporations it has zero ties to the story whatsoever, and it doesn't even mention Navis anywhere.
Here's what I think the timeline is:
AC4-ACV, then it splits here.
Top path: Lone Mercenary destroys the Foundation's weapons and Chief and Carol create Nine-Ball. This leads to AC1-AC2:AA.
Bottom Path: Lone Mercenary fails to destroy the Foundation's weapons and Chief and Carol instead create DOVE as a placeholder and the Nine Breaker simulation. This leads to ACVD, then AC3-LR. Some time in between SL and NX, and after the creation of the gen 3.5 parts, an engineer unearths the Nine Breaker simulation on a hard drive buried in the ground, and modifies the file to use the Generation 3.5 parts as a training program for new Ravens.
Crimson-fox Twitch I likes it! I think I may have to make a few charts and a way longer video when the opportunity arises.
@@crimson-foxtwitch2581 Are we sure the ORCA ending is canon?
Andrew Rogers There’s banners of ORCA still remaining, and ORCA was destroyed in the Destruction ending
To get a better idea of what AC series is about I recommend the following videos, specially for newcomers and veterans who have not played one in a while (besides this one):
- Was it really good? Armored Core from Josh Strife Plays.
- The Armored Core series - A Newcomer's Journey by Writing for Games.
- Armored Core Retrospective (The history of FromSoftware) by Aesir Aesthetics.
- The most recent video by Vaati Vidya about AC.
as a kid my understanding of the story was essentially, "everything sucks, let's kill each other with mechs!"
Nice theory, it is fairly similar to mine actually. The only real difference is that I believe Chief and Carol created Nine-Ball/The Controller depending on whether or not the Lone Mercenary destroys the Foundation's weapons or not. If they are destroyed, then Chief and Carol have enough time to create Nine-Ball (the complete program mentioned in the ending of V). However if they aren't destroyed, Chief and Carol have to take things into their own hands and creates the Controller to watch over humanity until humanity and the surface recovers.
Unfortunately, humanity somehow screws everything up, and destroys the Controller and IBIS (who is possibly Carol, but it doesn't have to be). However, humanity thought it wasn't trying hard enough, and decides to uncover a Tower filled with the Foundation's weapons A.K.A. The Internecine. Formula Front and Nine-Breaker are basically just alternate universes.
Now in AC1, all the Foundation's weapons are destroyed or deactivated and Nine-Ball is trying to maintain order, and you know what happens from there. My guess of what happen to Chief and Carol is that Nine-Ball just deletes them because they are no longer needed, but it could be other things as well.
That's a cool take on it, mind if i mention this in the final version as one of the possibilities? (Seems like the area between VD and the possible split would be an interesting setting for another game that'll never happen)
Go right ahead, glad you enjoyed it.
Also, fun fact: J doesn't die in Verdict Day, he is actually the Chief Editor (I think that was what it said) of the VoW who is named J. Jester.
Wait, what? Is that a thing or a meme?
Nope, this is actually serious. In the VoW mail after you beat J in Mechanized Memories, he introduces himself as J. Jester, states that the VoW members never met anyone in person, says you don't need to know anything about him as he states what could you gain from that, and at the end says his catchphrase in the mails: "have a nice war!".
your video is about to get a lot more views.
Well thank you, but why, did AC6 just get announced?
@@CoffeePotato yessir
not just a PS exclusive, mind you, it will be available on all hardware, especially on PC
@@impreza0109 I just saw. I can't wait to try playing this on my Vita XD
AC2 AA: Mars is haunted and all by AC4 Bio Weapons, but we managed to survive
AC Formula Front: AC's are now Circuit Fighters
Last Raven: *Why are we still here, just to suffer*
Last Raven Pt2: What if we just used ACs instead of MTs to drive up the MT market?
Damn, Potato also a fan of AC, youtube brought me here, good times.
HAH, it's surprising to see this one popping up a lot lately with AC6. Now I wish the audio wasn't scuffed XD
AC is back baby
I know AC3 was a 'soft reboot' of AC1 so I wonder if the two timelines can be squished together. AC3 is the dominant because it's the reboot but it could still be the origin of Klein's status in Nine Breaker, Phantasma is now the Interncine, the found resource in Nexus... could be related to Kojima Particles? It does make some juggling required for the new Nine Ball but, as fun head cannon, that could be the man who defeated the Dark Raven NEXT in AC5.
So it could go 4 > 5 > 3/1 > 2 and since we're deep in space for 6 it's the last in line.
Honestly at this point I'd be fine with AC6 DLC that essentially retells all the old games to make a solid timeline.
Or, like always, they will reference everything, confirm nothing, and we speculate forever 🤣. Like a buzzy little beehive......ACV honey cult is the Matrix over mind confirmed 🙉
To paraphrase Bender, "then I'll make my own armored core! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the armored core!"
Edit: I just realized.... Don't Bandai own Super Robot Wars? That actually may end up being the best chance to have any canon confirmed... Sad I'm relying on a crossover game for it but... Eh, I'll take Klein teaming up with Char or something.
I think that the series would be split between multiple different eras, Ala Sonic Generations,
Basically, taking the games main plot points that tie them together!
If you will, think of the main things that relate to each entry, The Great Destruction,Layered and the internecine, and The Pax Econommica!
When one of those plot points is no more, and the one after begins!
So basically if we go by that logic,the Armored Core series isn't one single timeline, it's multiple different ones coming into fruition!
So Nexus Disc 2, 2.0?
Yeah pretty much! This makes a lot of sense considering that the corporations change every time the main plot points do! Not to mention the series had rebooted only twice!
Defeating the final boss in last rave might have well been a darks souls boss
Which one? I'd take any Soulsborne boss any day over the nonsense that was Rocket Only Ult Zinaida, Daemon, and 2448. The Final Pulverizer is pretty tame compared to them.
Pretty cool. Combining Nine-Ball and Dove is nice idea!
In this theory AC is basically, Mad max meets Deus Ex meets Gundam.
Also the whole Idea that the Corpos gave essencially a Hadron Collider to every Merc in the planet is funny, imagine Deadpool luging a Nuke in his Jelopy.
@@forickgrimaldus8301 anything for mecha
@@sider0130 all AC4 is missing now is wacky deadpool esque Mech pilot causing massive environmental damage in a city, with the Corpos basically playing the "sorry" scene from South Park to avoid being bancrupt.
@@forickgrimaldus8301 CLASSIC. Get Big Money Bezos as the final boss, piloting Answerers/Arms Forts
Welcome back Raven
AC6! AC6! AC6!
What if Armored Core 6 happened after the Orca ending of Armored Core For Answer, where they all leave earth and colonize space.
That would be crazy.
Just imagining the GA America guy coming over the radio and screaming "screw you guys, I'm going to space." Or doing his best CnC communism speech. Both work.
Glad I found this channel. I didn't understand much aside from "Haha, robot shoot stuff". Now I understand lots thanks to you and think a lot more.
Glad to help! It's a series that's way deeper than it liked to admit, haha
Nice lore explanation and timeline, it's really giving me some perspective throughout the ACVerse. I never really understood the lore behind it when I play it. I always just think that the world is doomed due to machinery or pollution and the struggle of the wars between AC are intensified because of that. Now I gained a lot of new info regarding the AI, Nineball and how the world shapes itself with each timeline, pretty interesting.
I only play some AC games, Nexus, Last Raven and Verdict but what stood out the most for me is that Nexus ending, where the world is engulfed by those suicide bombers while you, possibly one of the few AC left, despite having an AC with great abilities to change the landscape of the world, still, in the end, lies powerless with overwhelming defeat against the very thing that human-created. It's poetic in the sense that the destruction was not caused by nature, but by a human thirst for advancement.
And further, the ending of the last raven is fitting as you were the only one left but at what cost and what for? Even when you beat anything, the world still burn and the last raven ponder alone of the world fate because even tho he/she do everything and defeat everyone, it still doesn't change everything. The world still sucks and being the last raven is nothing but a hollow bragging right. It was all for nothing.
It was depressing but I like it. I am gravitated by the theme of endless struggle which is why I love the ACverse.
On a side note tho, I always think the proper ending for AC game is for some kind of fanfiction involving a scientist finding a solution to grow plants back in the harsh environment on the ground that accelerates humankind back to where it belongs. But this led to a final standoff between a faction that believes in the restoration and a faction that believes that restoration is wrong as they believe the restoration will only cause a vicious cycle of the earth being destroyed by advancement yet again.
And in the end, as the war is vicious and reaches its climax, both sides eventually sacrifice and destroy each other in the process for their belief, signalling the extinction of the AC. While the scientist died from the war (alongside the involved party), her plan came to fruition, marking a new beginning for mankind with the technology being reset from the start.
Then about some 300 years has passed, a group of digger corporations set an expedition into an old ruin than they accidentally trigger something, which led to a lone digger falling on top of something big, he dug it out and eventually find the discovery of an ancient technology called Armored Core, it was old, rusty but still barely functional. That man then rejuvenated and smirk while saying "This kind of technology will change the world!" and then the story end.
Anyway, that is just my input, thanks again for sharing this info, it widen my lore of ACverse.
So fun note, the plant regrowth thing has actually come up a ton in the series. It's sort of always been a thing, but they've always stayed pretty modern reality about it. Like in most of the games you'll have the hippie nature factions, like the lady in AC3 that uses lasers to reduce pollution from shell casings. Or the Hive from AC5, who seem to be a nature cult of sorts that gets wiped out after being radicalized, but whose emblems and machines get scavenged and brought back by some random people who completely misunderstood their philosophy in ACVD. There's also always been the science faction, but they usually always mess things up. Like Kisiragi in 3rd gen, who restore plants and make gardens...but then also sell flamethrowers and create Godzilla monsters. Hell, nature in 1st Gen is scary. The Ant Hill mission is legit scarier than any horror game I've played.
@@CoffeePotato That's pretty interesting on how nature has been a recurring theme in the Armored Core game. I always thought the world of AC is dystopian and hopeless. I fondly remember if there was any nature at all. If I remember AC, I remember how they live underground instead, while the upper ground is almost certainly always desolated. This is why I never thought the topic of plantation is a thing in AC. It's also interesting how FromSoft antagonizes nature as a catalyst for destruction and a higher motive. As constantly we see the baddies trying to restore the world for the sake of the world but end up diluted with their ambition.
And that's messed up how Kisaragi experimented on things and there's a Godzilla? Damn, I never knew. I wish FromSoft remastered the old AC game, so it is easily accessible to re-play a bunch of it. But yeah now I'm kinda interested to play it back and instead of playing it blindly, I want to immerse myself with the lore when I have the time.
Ant Hills mission huh? I will take note of that level when I replay it. Thanks again for the input. I found it surprising you were still around to reply to a comment even after all this year. I hope you are fine and well :)
@@misterlestari5772 Yeah, it's been a crazy year, and often YT doesn't bother to let me know when comments come in for ages.
AC3 probably describes this the best, but there's artificial biomes through all of the underground settings, with 2, Another Age, Master of Arena, Silent Line, and all of 4-5th gen taking place on the surface of a planet.
I heard the next Armored core game will be loosely based around dark souls. I'm thinking it will take place in the towers after ACVD. It will likely be a survival scenario against the technology of the old word, dating back to AC4 and ACFA. Doing this would explain the final boss and the broken down arms forts present in the game. The towers are said to be advanced and the autonomous arms serve as a major threat throughout the game. These strangely advanced enemies will likely be the enemies in the next game, and it would make for a good difficulty curve due to the dark aged ACs you control in the newest games. Fatman, one of the characters promises to take down the towers after the final fight, so I think it's reasonable for the story to lead there.
If you mean the cyclic thing, that's always been the case, the earth gets destroyed and rebuilt at least 3 times. Arms Fort wise, that's already explained between 4A and 5, since the power needed to run them and the cradles is just too much to keep going, they just get destroyed or collapse eventually. By canon, at least the Motherwill is directly destroyed, presumably, but 5 and VD are about what was presumably never deployed being found in the Towers, which in turn like they were the R&D behind the crazier stuff.
I always considered 4-VD to be either at the end or in the middle. Cuz in 4 some of the pilots are Revans from a previous war. Including the player
Even 1 has that, though, there's always wars in this series. 4 still has nations, FA has the first corporate takeover, and they've been reforming every other time.
So is armored core 6 a ending unification or the true begining of all the time lines? Looks like in the trailer that the ACs have every peice of technology from every armored core game. Everything from kojima tech weapons, next primal/assault armor, MTs, arm projector sheilds, V styled armored cores, mega cities, pulverizer units, etc. Plus it looks like the great destruction was a massive solar flare or kojima super weapon that went off and scorched the earth causing a nuclear winter, so it looks like we may have to worry about our ACs freezing over.
FS has confirmed that there's 4 timelines:
- 1/PP/MoA/2/AA
- 3/SL/Nexus/LR
- 4/FA/5/VD
- 6
Ninebreaker and Formula Front aren't canon to anything else.
One of the better theories I've come across, good job.
Thanks man!
While I personally think that the timelines between 1 through AA, 3 through LR and 4 through VD are all seperate timelines with no connection, I think this is easily the best theory out there when it comes to linking them together.
Just a couple things, the ending being irrelevant, honestly, 90% sure that ORCA is canon given that we see the corporations going to space judging by ACV, and that explains how Omer got so much stronger and became the corporation.
That being said, if there is anyone in this video's comment section who has access to a translator, I have great news.
Armored Core 10 Complete Guides, a book that came out with Last Raven in Japan, has Timeline section in it, and was recently posted to the AC wiki, if ANYBODY has the means to translate this, PLEASE do so.
armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Armored_Core_10_Works_Complete_File
Oh sweet goodness, great find, man! I may know a guy!
@@CoffeePotato Please tell me ANYTHING you find
I personally like to split AC into two separate, though optionally-connected worlds; newgen (4th and 5th), and oldgen (so far, everything else). Separating further, I then split oldgen into the 1st and 3rd gens, and in this, I'm given a rather comfy excuse as to why the two seemingly-similar worlds never, ever contact each other; they're just on opposite sides of the earth, the Layereds in the Americas (chosen because of the frequent southern-US accents in AC3), and the 1st Gen "layered" (see AC1 ending for proof that it exists) in China-Japan (because creator provincialism). Assuming real-world geography, of course. Oh, and AC3, SL, Nexus, and LR are ALL canon.
This leads into one little issue; what about the American pulverizers and suicide drones? Well, remember that all of humanity went underground following a worldwide apocalypse, perhaps caused by a worldwide outbreak of these pulverizers and bomb-drones. By time AC3 ends (and perhaps AC1/MOA ends at basically the same time), nature on the surface has recovered... and the old world remained, just waiting for Navis to come in and ruin everything. Naturally, this eventually results in Last Raven, where, no matter how you look at it, this America is fucked, razed to the ground by another wave of bombings and corporate warfare. Asia simply doesn't run into the Internecine or anything akin (that lost field arena with nineball AC2AA is just noncanon silliness), thus they have plenty of time to expand, conquer and prosper in their own wonderfully violent way, enough to reach Mars - something I'm entirely willing to believe happened given the incredible technology seen in both "layereds". This means that, after AC2AA, which is probably not too far off of, if not Last Raven, than at least when Nexus occured, Asia is now, at most, a few years away from the reawakened pulverizer threat demolishing the world again.. though, at least they have Martians doing their own thing now, so I suppose humanity is safe this time. yaay, happy endings!
Where do Nine Breaker and Formula Front fit into all of this? Simple... they don't!!! Well, Nine Breaker could be some sort of special training system in the post-nexus world, or even in the pre-nexus world (but then why is Nineball even mentioned in America?), but Formula Front, as a mere concept, is so vastly far-removed from the entire rest of oldgen that there is no reconciling its presence with anything else, *especially* when the American Crest, Mirage and Kisaragi are somehow also present in this nigh-utopia.
I like it, bit what about the technological differences at those times? FF and NB may very well be their own side thing, it would work out neatly, I just like to think that they're a happy ending.
As you theorize, DOVE is a relatively kind, hands-off sort of controller who doesn't really care to limit tech a lot, hence corporations get OP-I whereas those under NB's rule either go H+ or go home; and also similarly, Nexus is something of a resource war, hence booster heat is such an issue when AC2 doesn't have to worry about it. As for infrastructure tech; it could simply be that NB's society left the underground before DOVE's folk, or were otherwise less distracted, proceeding to run off to Mars while the others were stuck with Layered and, later, dealing with IBIS. And bombs, and pulverizers. Jeez, AC3 has it tough..
Playing ACSLP, I soon realized that DOVE's folk had access to space travel (hence you could get onto the satellite).. makes my theory a little bit easier in all honesty. The two halves of the world DO know the other exists - but since NB's "layered' was nowhere near IBIS', the Asian peoples were able to redevelop unhindered, and Martian colonization became easy and common. Later, DOVE's Layered comes out of the ground - and actually realizes that AC2's civilization exists, but also soon realizes it's infinitely too massive for the freshly-surfaced civilization to ever hope to compete with. From then on, an agreement is made where both civilizations will simply try not to interfere with the other in any way (along with some trade agreements, hence you get swanky AC2 parts in ACSLP).. though obviously, eventually, being corporations, there will be nowhere left to expand into except each other. DOVE's people know this all too well - it's sorta why the Silent Line was such a hot spot - and so start scrambling for something, *anything,* to keep them safe from NB's people. Which eventually ends in the Pulverizers and a desolate waste of America, but hey, they tried.
Armored core was always a story about rise and follow of power through the generations. Small villains and heroes. It's not meant to be thought of heavily as some grand novel. It's like life.
True, but at the same time...everything in the video, and FromSoft being FromSoft.
Oh boy, is this video gonna blow up ;)
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Armored Core 6 is out now. Where do you personally think it fits within this theoretical timeline?
I'll know once I can stop being jump scared by life surprises and can afford to play it.
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If and when you can....
Do you think you can make a video and @ me with the link to it here? I would love to see it.
@@kyokyodisaster4842 On my very last S Rank now, I think it's safe to say this one definitely fits a decent ways after the last timeline, as a branch from Silent Line, since there's a lot of callbacks.
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Huh...and here I thought it would make the most sense for it to be a continuation from 2.
Do explain though.
@@kyokyodisaster4842 Why's that?
I always interpreted it as so much time passes between the usage of the mechs that it becomes forgotten tech that gets rediscovered but the history repeats itself in different ways
Something something time is a flat circle and it rhtymes.
appreciate the time put into this. good work.
Thank you!
I like your style. But 9-Ball from AC1 was a Human+ not some AI. you kind of completely ignored the Human+ program, and I don’t think there are any alternate timelines. You need to do another where you make a single timeline, and map the various corporations, the technological advancements and their business endeavors. If I ever do a full play through again, I’ll consider using a notebook to map it myself now that I’m seeing the story starts with chapter 4.
Going back to this video hoping we can get a new Armored Core announcement at The Game Awards!
Yeah babyyy!
Man, I wonder how AC6 would fit if it was connected
They sidestepped that by putting it in space
@@CoffeePotato Unless it’s after FA.
(SHOOK)
Game order by story is AC 1, MOA, 2, another age, 3, silent line, nine breaker, nexus, last Raven, 5, 5 verdict day, 4, for answer.
To answer the earlier stuff, technology isn't always a hard thing. Historically wars have caused massive technological regression when they got bad enough. In the case of the 4-FA-5-VD-1 theory, world governments are never a thing for the rest of the series, and largely resemble our own. By the end of 4, and going through to VD, we see the world go from functional governments to switching between outright chaos and corporate control. There are never governments through the rest of the series except AC2. So, in this case, it starts with the collapse and massive regression. After 4th Gen, the ACs switch to a bulkier, ground based style, after 4th gen's ACs basically render most of the world uninhabitable. FA ends with this scenario, and we see the damaged and mid-repair Arms Forts from FA in VD, so that's a confirmed link there. By the end of VD, humanity is being forced underground. The multiplayer is the post game, ultimately resulting in one corporation taking over, but still bring unable to win against the AIs
So after being forced underground, we have two possible starts with AC1 and AC3, either happening simultaneously, or as alternate timelines. ACs would naturally adapt to be slimmer and more adaptable for their new environment, so this makes sense as to their tech. The ideas were still there, you even fight something very similar to an AC4 Land Crab in AC1 that's described as "ancient technology".
@@CoffeePotato this cannot be possible. If you play Armored Core for Answer you will see that most of the earth has been reduced to a dessert wasteland in most of its levels and cities are submerged under oceans of water.
Have you played the game? The surface of earth looked to have been detroyed centuries ago. If you think about it, the mars colonies were most likely the second and third part of the story. After fighting it out with one another the main corporations and inhabitants felt they could return back to planet earth to salvage what they could. Once returning they are met with only a handful of cities that are deemed liveable and the pollution of Kojima particles still lingered.
There was still the underground bunkers that survived certain countries on earth. The earth literally went through a series of terraforming. So in a way, when it comes to Verdict Day (Black Glint) prototype, you could say after defeating it the technology did regress slightly but overall the schematic helped to create the beginning of the age of Nexts. Armored core 5 was the beginning of the war that caused earth to turn into what it did. Remember, you have station colonies you infiltrate in for answer when you fight Maximilian Thermidor later throughout the game that betrayed you. His split personality could have been the double agent the entire time so you had to end up fighting because the main source of the problem was within the space colony and the people within it needed to be killed or the great war would have started all over again.
After that happened you were a threat to "everyone" and that's why they sent their entire elite force to kill you. Every major corporation literally joined forces to kill you once you started getting closer to finding out the truth, your answer. Why do you think Fionna asked what you were fighting for? The story was trying to show you that at that point in time you were fighting for the wrong cause. The White Glint before you "is" you the player from the previous armored core game. After the real White Glint died your character picked up the mantle and you end up engaging in combat with your other self because of your blinded ideals.
I could go on for hours because the story is so vast but you have the story out of order for sure.
@@BeyondEllisBeck Well, until we have an official timeline whenever they feel like making a sequel sometime in 2080, we just have our theories. That said, 4 has normal cities. FA has China and Line Ark underwater, but still had several standing areas. Many were abandoned for the skies. By V/VD, everything is either in mountains, flooded, or desert.
AC1- Desert, but under ground.
PP/MOA- still underground, above is desert.
AC2- at least there's an Emraude Earth?
AA- still desert, but plants are grown indoors.
3- Greenery over a blank Earth.
SL- light greenery and desert, but they're making facilities on Terra firma again, only hampered by the fact that they get space lasered when venturing too far. Basically confirming that no, they were underground and were having issues keeping people down there, or needed an automated cleanup system.
Nexus- nature's good now, we're above ground, but people find old buried tech again. It kicks humanity's collective posterior real quick.
LR- the latest ai apocalypse gets sorted, but the immediate area is pretty jacked up again. At least we have time for Formula Front now.
Those last few didn't put up as much of an issue. But, the pattern of tech hubris leading to disaster after disaster makes for a much concise story as I see it.
As far as concrete links in game:
4-FA-V-VD
MoA-2
3-SL
Nx-LR
Nx-NB
4--1
1/MoA-AA
The reason I can't believe they would go in order is because LR would go into 4. We go from corporations running everything and warring constantly to a well established and regulatory government. Plus the whole thing of 4-FA having almost none of the Hidden Tech plotline every other game had... thus it makes more sense to me that this is what was buried.
Pretty sure we could go on forever, though.
@@CoffeePotato Sorry but I have to disagree here as well. Verdict day took place 100 years after 5. The prototype N-WGIX was made as the baseline of White Glint's future schematic. The game was trying to show you that this was the evolution of a unit we have never seen before.
This means that while armored core 4 timeline began the corporation for Line Ark was secretly building a White Glint Next to surpass the one that was temporarily used beforehand.
ACFA takes place 10 years after this fact and that is when the true White Glint was completed. By design and events I feel that I am correct about 5 taking place after Last Raven. That could be the period were technology was temporarily regressed which caused the AC mechs to look far more outdated.
After 5 and 100 years go by they have created a revolutionary machine that was kept secret until the time was right. That's when you come across (Prototype Glint) the rough draft of what was to come in the future.
So the 100 years from 4 adds up to my original comment about the world terraforming and being submerged by ocean and desert. AC5 is pretty much the world after they started to rebuild the planet after Last Raven. You forget that in for ACFA you don't serve a company but "ORCA" a freelance mercenary gig that allowed you the ability to do what you wanted.
Your consequences ended up being the results of your own actions through the game. With that we were given three endings that are not explored further because we don't have a new armored core game out at the moment.
Again, it goes like this: AC1, ACPP, MOA, AC2, 2AA, AC3, ACSL, NEXUS, Nine Breaker, Last Raven, ACV, Verdict Day, 4, FA.
I don't get why 5 and Verdict Day Take Place before 4 and FA
We see people going to space in Verdict Day, we see the destroyed Spirit of Motherwill, and we see that the NWGIX can't be recreated after it was blown up.
Would make sense if 6 takes place in another timeline branching off before 4 or a really long time after the end of your time line
Just realized this it could be 4, 4A, then a three way split, space ending leads into 6, the ending you get on the first run of 4A leads to 5 and VD, then the ones where the sky arcs crash’s due to the player and old king
I figured it's too late to tell, since all previous games are referenced somehow.
I know nothing about Armored core, but this was fun to listen to.
Well thank you!
I feel like a couple of things here are a little backwards, in the original Trilogy, Nine-Ball exists in the background, and the corporations run the various underground cities, all which have local governments running them, since you do go outside a lot in the PS1 AC games. Meanwhile DOVE has a more direct control over everything, since the corporations in AC3 are constantly talking about "The Controller this" and "The Controller that" and all the missions take place INSIDE Layered, unlike AC1
In AC1, the inside areas are still underground, just like Layered. Both have outside biomes with a fake sky. If I recall correctly, they contradict themselves a few times on this, but ultimately stuck with the Artificial Sky thing. You'd think with all the advanced made to even allow such a thing, they'd bother checking outside. I'd have to replay them to be 100% on that one now that it's come up, though.
silent line had the best story imo
It's a neat setting.
A very interesting theory! Even though,I'm kinda curious about one thing: IBIS,the other master AI of Third Gen-Assuming that DOVE won the conflict which led to it absorbing Nineball,then was destroyed by the Raven,only for IBIS to pop up after behind the Silent line,only to be destroyed by the second Raven...What happened to IBIS in the proposed AC 1 timeline? Did Nineball find it and absorb it too? Or did humanity actually never went past the Silent line in the AC 1 timeline?
As a small bonus,a little headcannon for the "DOVE and NineBall were partners" theory,in that Nineball AI original designation was "RAVEN" as to be a counterpart of his partner "DOVE",both being named after birds. However,after it absorbed "DOVE",it split itself into 2 parts,Nineball became Hustler One,running things from the shadows,while the absorbed parts of DOVE became "R",the master AI of Raven's nest,however,as a mere extension that was completely subservient to Nineball
Based on what it does, I assume it just never activates or gets scrapped, since it's mostly a self destruct system with extra steps.
Hey, isn't IBIS the name of an Egyptian bird?
@@Shattered_Skies that it is
Raven = War = Nine Ball
Dove = Peace = the Controller
Ibis = Knowledge = Ibis
Nine Ball is the Warrior AI the general of the Army basically keeping the wars of humanity down with basically Brute force.
Dove is well the Controller maintaining the peace, stabilizing the economy and government and preventing wars from starting using more subversive means
Ibis is basically a factory/repository designed to keep and/or hide advanced tech from mankind and turn it against them should they try and take it.
My guess is who ever designed these AIs wanted them to act as a Unit but either through the passage of time or corruption of data they turned on one another.
Picked up Armored Core 2 as my first game and fell in love. AC 3 was my next, with Silent Line AC and finally Nexus. I went and bought the first three ps1 games but only played the first before my games were 'repurposed'
I sometimes wish I had started the series in the ps1 era. I played a bit of ninebreaker a friend hand, and saw where last raven was going.
When I saw that the new Armored Core games forced you to pilot a preset schematic AC and didn't let you customize from the start I knew the franchise was suffering from "Halo gen" syndrome and was dead to me.
Also the dropbox link is dead.
It does let you customize, you just get a few choices of starter AC. It plays it a bit like Silent Line in that regard. You similarly get only a few options to start, and expand constantly every few missions.
@@CoffeePotato Silent Line you could sell starting parts to get better replacements, same as every other AC before it. And there were never "schematics" for ACs, there were no set of parts "meant" to be built together into a design. No problem with you or anyone else liking the newer games, but don't tell me that my reason for not liking them isn't valid.
You were your own Raven in every other AC game and every AC you took into a sortie or a battle was YOUR OWN MAKING. Win or Lose it's all your decisions. The newer games give you preset schematics and tends to have a "right" and a "wrong" way to build your AC. And that's not my cup of tea.
That's like the Front Mission series going from turn based tactical RPG with full customization to a garbage tier Armored Core 1 rip off in Front Mission 5 with over the shoulder FPS game play.
It's ok if you like Front Mission 5, but you can't tell a fan of the series they're wrong for not liking it because they threw the gameplay of the series out the window.
It's like making a Star Wars movie without light sabers, space battles, or the jedi or sith. Imagine a Star Wars comedy /citcom/ romance drama.
Would some like it? I guess.
Would most that like it only like it because of the IP references? You bet.
Would someone be wrong for not liking it because it is only Star Wars in name and details and plays out more like Friends or Big Bang Theory? No they wouldn't.
I like Armored Core for a specific set of passionate reasons. Those Reasons were dropped, for me, in the newer games.
@@Skycrusher True, but that's just a prebuilt design, you can customize as you want, there was no need to use it if you didn't want to.
I think all the games can be fit into one timeline.
Here's my timeline.
AC4 > AC: FA > AC5 > AC:VD > AC3 > AC: SL > AC: Nexus > AC: LR > AC1 > AC: PR > AC:MoA > AC2 > AC:AA
After AC:VD, humanity decides to go underground due to scrounging around on the surface not being a viable option for survival, and to put a AI controller in charge because of how chaotic things were becoming by the end of the Verdict War and the destruction caused by it.
Some time later, humanity rediscovers the surface after the events of AC3.
I think AC 3 and its sequels can also be placed before AC 1.
After AC: SIlent Line, in AC: Nexus, humanity is settling on the surface when dangerous artifacts (the pulverizors) are discovered at the end of the game, which leads to them almost destroying and severely damaging human settlements on the surface.
(the pulverizors could also be related to the UNACS/AI technology from AC 4/AC:FA or the tech from AC 5/AC:VD).
In AC: Last Raven, the surface is still reeling from the damage of the pulverizors. AC parts have also regressed technology because of all the damage with parts being inferior now (increased risk of overheating weapons). and the raven conflict with the corporations, along with the threat of the pulverizors leads to even more damage to the remains of humanity, ending with all ravens except one being destroyed.
After the aftermath of the destruction in AC: LR, the surface is heavily damaged and inhabitable. all hell breaks loose as humanity goes into all out war for survival (the Thirty Years War that leads to the great destruction before AC1). Humanity is forced to underground yet again, and is under even stricter supervision from an AI, Nineball (in part, created from whatever scraps of old tech was left after the destruction). Nineball is more strict and ruthless than DOVE from AC 3 to keep humanity in check to prevent the events of AC: Nexus and AC: LR from ever happening again. AC technology has also been reduced to basic levels (as can be seen in AC 1 with the lack of Over-Boosting, orbital weapons, and etc.) because of the loss of technology due to the destruction from the pulverizors. AC technology improves over time for example, with the Over Boost being rediscovered, prior to AC 2.
I dunno about Formula Front or the mobile games though, lol. Also, Ninebreaker could be a testing program or simulation as frequently speculated.
2:40 Well this far into the video, and even though I haven't played AC4 or ACFA, I still know that Ravens were a thing, but they've all died out, and Amored Cores are now called Normals, and the current thing being used are NEXTs. Pilots are now called Lynx.
So Ravens and Armored Cores are not only already established, but in the past. So I'm not sure how you can figure AC4 and 4Answer at the start of the time line when, canonically, it explicitly states there was a generation before it. It even acknowledges the raven in Nexus that died to the Unmanned Suicide Bomber assault.
Pretty much what is my theory. Also, i think somewhere is mentioned that NEXTs cant be piloted by regular Humans or at least that they are unable to use their full potential, so Lynx actually could be the human+ succesors (or exactly the same but the term changed for some reason). This would also explain why everyone only ever deploys small groups of NEXTs aside from obvious financical and logistical problems compared to ACs/Normals.
ACs as shown in V and Verdict Day are also more advanced than everything in AC 1 up to 3, clearly having a bit of "NEXT DNA" still in them, not to mention that you start out with something that got cobbled together from junk parts, possibly some actual NEXT Tech here and there allthough no one recognizes it as that.
There is all in all more evidence that the timeline starts with AC1 and not AC4.
@@heiniknallkopp9688 AMS, Lynx Pilots have a high AMS that lets them wire their nerves into the controls of the NEXT. Humans have a natural AMS apptitude (without experimentation) and naturally high AMS humans make for naturally gifted Lynx pilots. The only thing close to a Human Plus would actually be Pilots with LOW AMS that are given a secondary system to help them compensate, which creates psychic stress on the pilot.
The only people with Human PLUS/OP Intensify are enemy A.I.s as the option is not given to the player (Firing back canons while moving, ect)
The reason Normals exist in the game are to replace Muscle Tracers, don't get me wrong. I've seen footage of gameplay of NEXT vs Normals. The Normals act like MTs in previous games, except WEAKER. MTs would actually move around, boost, dash, stafe, and track you better. I watched Normals in this game STAND STILL, and TURN SLOWLY, like a turret, and fire LOW VELOCITY POOR TRACKING rounds at a next.
This is the game developers way of CREATING THE ILLUSION of how bad the NEXTs are by having them go "Look how much of a joke they make Normals seem!" When in reality, no one piloting an Armored Core ever stands still, turns slowly, and fires with a tier 1 Rifle. The in game reasoning is a narrative excuse.
Armored Core 5 goes back to Armored Cores for some reason, and the inclusion of ULTIMATE weapons is so obviously From Software having long since lost touch with the player base, and having no idea how to keep people interested, so they just go for the OOOOO SHOCK AND AWE value the Halo gen of gamers are reliable for liking and buying.
Nothing screams "I have no idea how to handle power scaling" then making Armored Cores bigger, giving them 9,999+ AP, and giving them extra features and claiming the "Worf Effect" is good story telling. P.S. : Look up what the Worf Effect is.
And we both agree, just by observation, anyone that isn't a dumb ass brain dead moron "Stan" can tell AC4 era games are not at the start of the timeline. I mean, to think AC4 is where the story starts you must have a DUMB HIGH 189 IQ.
The reason why people believe that armored core 4 and 4answer are the beginning of the timeline is because of the presence of real-world nations America, China, and Europe were still a thing before the national dismantlement War occurred and the corporations like GA America and GE Europe replaced the government systems. The reason corporations were able to win where due to NEXTS which as you know already are the successor to the Normals or ACs. The thing about NEXTS though is that they cause massive pollution due to Kojima particles they use. This pollution comes into play in 4answer in which you see most of humanity had been placed in cradles far above the sky and countries like China are now completely submerged underwater and many cities are now reduced to sprawling deserts. The thing about the cradles though is that the pollution that is caused by the Kojima particles will eventually reach the sky making the many endings of 4answer redundant. The outcome will always be that most humanities population dies. Come in 5 in which one of the only outposts of humanity is undergoing a revolution using what have basically modified normals from the AC4 you could tell that they are modified normals due to the fact that they are only capable of jumping not flying are smaller than NEXT considerably see NWGIX as a reference for a NEXT and lack of any he Kojima weaponry we see in AC4. The reason AC5 is one of the important games story-wise is that it sets the stage of what would become the ai known as Nineball. The protagonist of Armored core 5 is referred to by the Dark Raven and bests many of the Cororpations ACs and other unknown weapons. This corporation is represented by two characters Cheif and Carol. Cheif who you kill serval times throughout the game and yet comes back. he games end with you killing what is basically a bootleg next and cheif and carol running away. As humanities,last settlement is basically ruined by what was a ry violent revolution humanity was basically forced to start exploring the polluted zone. What they found were large towers which were basically humanities last-ditch attempts to get to space. These towers held AC parts along with some AC4 gen technology these towers. In the polluted zone, e see cradles from Armored core 4 some remains of NEXTS. In a pre-equal to AC Verdict story from soft basically told the events of what happened between the two games and what happened basically confirmed the link between verdict day and armored core 1. w.atwiki.jp/armoredcoreforever/pages/637.html#id_cd3a08f0
@@benjaminzelnick3983 So how does that wall of text contradict my reasoning for why it's not at the start? Because it doesn't address my points and looks like you're trying to stretch harder than Monkey D. Luffy.
The wall of text I provided comes directly from fromsoft in it you can see that Carol and Cheif are precusors to nineballs A.I if you played armored core 1 and MOA you would reconizge the not of the program part and the whole what is it you wish part of speech This also answers how the term raven came to be as the protag of AC5 is referred to as the dark raven. If you had played AC4 you would also know that the main character is a Raven as he was a former normal pilot. Also i dont know what gave you the impression that Armored core 5 acs are bigger or stronger than nexts when in the final mission of verdict day you fight a prototype NEXT who servely outclasses you in height and speed. Basically what the point that im trying to across is that if AC4 is after last raven and 4answer then five then why is the player basically piloting a normal from AC4? If you seen gamplay of 5 you would notice a significant downgrade in comprasion from the ac you pilot to a NEXT.
Thats not correct tho...There is no split timeline... its confirmed in the games themselves....
Where? There's very few mutually exclusive connections.
Klein confirms MoA->2, but doesn't disprove a split. Nineball is confirmed destroyed alongside it's brain several times in MoA, but a similar, though differently named version of the same thing takes place in 3-LR. That said, there's still a Nineball. Looking back on it, I think the split would come down to whether Leos wins or loses. If he loses, the computer and it's agents quietly just run things until it breaks. In 2, governments are reestablished instead, and once the Mars issue is settled...there's not much left to do.
Then again, it's FromSoft game, so it could just be a cyclical loop straight from VD to 1, 2-AA is just a side story, and 3 just forgot about 1-MoA...who knows. Not like we're getting any official confirmation any time soon 🤣
Well there’s an official data book that confirmed the 3 separate timelines . 😅 they cannot be linked. It’s basically alt universes .
i do liek the bit with the insulatino shortage leadfing to a full part redesign
gives an inlore reason as to why all the parts got renamed from 3 ot NX
I just thought there had to be a business reason why they would redo their parts like that, and cost cutting or resource shortages fit perfectly.
I mean I like the idea of it at all that 4 and 5 became the origin stories but I'm really not convinced honestly
Well, an official confirmation is unlikely, but FROM love their Cyclical stories. Tech progression and regression wise, I think it makes sense, at any rate. As far as 4-5th being first, I suppose there's a few signs, at least. 4th has what looks like 1-3rd ACs, has a presence to them, as well as a reason to drop NEXTs. 5th shows NEXTs being all bit abandoned, and given a chunkier form, whole 1-3rd gen esque ACs still seem to do the grunt work in the background. At the end of 5th gen, most of the big super weapons are gone, but still will wander in from time to time. For example AC1 and MoA has giant MTs that look a lot like the Land Crab from 4. Plus, 4's drone weapons would feasibly be able to be stored somewhere, so if they were activated by a rogue AI as we see, it could potentially be a series of logical, if mostly unrelated events that make up the plot, which, again, FROM loves to do. The plan is still to make a follow up to this given several new bits of information that have come up over the last year.
Hopefully that will complete the convincing process :-P
@@CoffeePotato this is E responding it's so refreshing to communicate to somebody else who really likes the game series as well I consider myself a little bit of a nut job when it comes to playing these games you have quite the interesting Theory there I understand where you're coming from but Honestly though armored Core 3 comes before armored Core 4 in the original trailers of armored Core 4 you can see a battle taking place between the starter units from armored Core 3 fighting I think it was nobles I think that's how you spell it don't quiz me xD but you see it the thing that really happened is they got their hands on the pulverizer technology and that's what they were able to use to make the Next Generation armored Core technology you see Alliance won the war between vertex and the other forces as well as the internecine that was shut down after the last Archangel pulverizer was destroyed I don't have any direct links between next technology and the internecine and the pulverizers however there's lots of small things that pinpoint it if you played last Raven and Nexus you'll kind of see the similarities between the Technologies used there's obvious references every time that you encounter a pulverizer your AC will say unknown energy signature detected cannot identify not to mention the blue fluid motion of the energy in the pulverizers parts look almost eerily like Kojima particles especially if you've seen the internecine and the unknowns or unmanned suicide weapons share a common similarity to the eX dragon weapons later similar technology shows up in armored Core 5 verdict Day as the unmanned attack drones and suicide drones that you encounter a lot they even give off the same red glow which is just kind of eerie looking if you ask me but yes from what I understand or at least from what I can take out from all of this especially Great War before armored Core 4 that there was a lot of Raven then and that is hinted at several times in armored Core 4 that they used to be lots of Raven and conventional machines but it is insinuated that they all got wiped out other than your character that you play at he simply titled as unknown who also would inherit the white glint name is said to have fought in this last great battle of the Ravens and to be the last surviving Raven which is why you're always called A Relic I don't really know that much about the armored Core 2 universe and original but in armored Core 3 PSP versions you can get some of the armored Core 2 parts and weapons and armored Core 1 parts and weapons and from the dialogue of those parts simply stating that these are older parts that aren't used anymore or something else like that usually insinuates that armored Core 2 took place before armored Core 3 although I've got no goddamn clue what happened between those two games so don't even ask me that but on top of this information that I do have I do know zen one of the directors which has been around since the first game had said before that's the internecine was the remnants of the original Hustler one which sort of solidifies that armored Core 2 and original armored Core serious is before armored Core 3 and with the other hints that armored Core 3 is before armored Core 4 that being that the Ravens were wiped out by the nexts sort of makes me believe that that's how things went and yes I know that from software has its own trickery although I do believe that this is how it truly did go that and being that the NW G9 in armored Core verdict Day is constructed from parts of a Lancel specifically the head I think this other AC unit was called a 04an it was sniper arms from that unit and the legs from that unit but with the core part of the Alsia I'm not remembering how to spell that name but it's the one that Odstarva piloted and I almost 100% know that I spelled those two things wrong but you being a smart individual I'm sure you can decipher what I'm saying although I could just be wrong and that's not 100% of everything that I know but that's all I feel like putting down because this comment is already too long xD and I appreciate you taking the time to make this video and respond to my comment it's nice to talk to another armored Core player* salutes* till next time Raven
@@ethanspaziani1070 Always great to meet a fellow theorist on this! Personally, I feel like Pulverizers throwing out radiation would have cause them to interfere with systems more in LR. Plus, if we go with the earlier theory, VD had adaptive AI that studied and build new units, plus they basically raze the earth at the end, meaning to make new units, they'd presumably need to study the new things humanity came up with again. What do you think the odds are of AC6 ever confirming any of this?
@@CoffeePotato hahaha yeah I can see your point most clearly however I must say this normal units can operate in the presence of nexts and they're based on the older Technologies which The Raven is piloted so I'm going to go ahead and say that I think that there's lots of mysterious stuff about armored Core 5 timeline like the zodiac I think that there was lots of different projects to recreate h1 in a way by the way what are the thing that you should probably know this is actually fact by the way 😅 there's an official story after armored Core 5 that explains chief and his operator Carol I think that's her name oh yes and if you have armored Core 5 I want you in the very first mission 00 to go by the bridge where the very first resupply helicopter pad is turn off the music turn the sound effects all the way up turn the voice all the way up and listen to the PA speaker you will hear father telling a story about what happened but the story behind Chief and Carol is that they were created by the corporation's to watch over the Earth whenever they left for space after the energy was redirected to the anti-satellite batteries
I very much so do urge you to listen to the PA speaker admission 00 of armored Core 5 this is something that most people haven't seen it to have picked up on xD
Someone has the image used in the video of the timeline I have looked for it but I can not find it
I did post it up on my site a while back, I think.
Ideas about FA's ending:
If we go by the AC1-AC2AA split, then we know that humanity has gone to space. This implies that the ORCA ending is canon since the Assault Cells were shot down. Of course, it is possible that humanity in that time found another way to shoot down the Assault Cells.
If we go with the AC3-AC3SL split, then we know that the 2nd Layered (with IBIS) has that satellite cannon. This could in fact be an Assault Cell. If so, then this implies that either the League ending or the Destruction ending is canon. Or perhaps this cannon is not an Assault Cell and was built separately.
At the end of the day, the ending probably doesn't matter that much (as you've already stated)
Jack Wachter True, do You know if they stated how many of them dealies they had lying around? In the AC1 timeline there's the Justice mission, so maybe it was the same thing, they just gave it cool names on both sides. Both do seem to involve different layouts, but the same general idea of blowing up batteries around a big spiral. It's possible the Justice was just better adjusted and protected because Murakumo had it, while the AI figured one of it's units was good enough...and was correct a surprising amount of the time.
Well, at least according to my theory, that is a remaining Foundation weapon that wasn't destroyed by the Lone Mercenary (In my theory, Armored Core 3 happens if the Lone Mercenary fails to destroy the Foundation weapons).
Rue Ryuzaki I like to think it would have been impossible for them all to be destroyed. At the end of VD it's heavily implied that they've got available and manufacturing capacity for a near infinite amount of these things. If the multiplayer is assumed to be Canon, no matter which side wins or loses, there's still bosses out there, and the war just keeps on going until one day the higher ups see the mercs and armies won't be enough, move their populations underground, and nuke the known machine sources and cities in an attempt to eventually have an earth to go back to.
Yes, I agree. Though it should be stated that in the AC1 case, while the Lone Mercenary destroys most of them and disables Justice, Justice still fires and some of the weapons still remain. Still, one must wonder why the Lone Mercenary decided to bring the most least effective AC possible.
Rue Ryuzaki Because he's an armored core player and loved a bizarre build challenge, that's why.
I am genuinely hoping the new leak about thr next AC game is legit this time because I'm wondering what path they'll take on this. I've heard talk of a reboot, does this mean another new timeline? Or are we going to see a time before AC 4 where normals are the highest level of tech just before NEXT technology takes the main stage
Based on what I've seen and read, it's another reboot, so that's normal, but of the AC2 variety. It's in space, on some other planet, with screenshots that seem to imply 3rd gen builds, 4th gen dodges, and 5th gen chonk.
@@CoffeePotato they mentioned a type of particle as well which bears a striking resemblance to Kojima particles
@@FrayTheHunter Hopefully with less FRS, that system was..daunting any time I showed the game to people.
I just placed it as 1, 2, 6, 3, 4, 5. God I'm wrong.
I mean maybe, but why 6 there?
what was the song used during the first portion of the video
@@CombineWatermelon Artificial Sky Tribal
great info
Glad to help!
I wonder how a fight between Dove and Nineball would have gone.....
I'd bet on Dove, personally. The Dove AIs have some scary terminators, and there's a whole bunch of them, but only 1+1 Nineballs.
Which, come to think of it, we should totally test. I'll get started.
@@CoffeePotato TBF there are quite a few nineball ACs as seen in MOA
@@andrewrogers3067 Fair, but he always seems to send one, while leaving one behind. Hence the 1+1. I always figured he couldn't control too many at once, with the last fight being the sort of over clock thing they could only do once.
Think JARVIS vs ULTRON and thats basically it, or maybe they are making viruses to corrupt each other or are hacking into each others systems in Miliseconds.
@@CoffeePotato makes sense if Dove is the one handling Humanity while Nineball is only ever ment to police it he does have an advantage but Dove is stationary while Nineball seems to go around so its possible Nineball could shut him down by infiltrating his systems
If you'd like more AC, I do challenge runs of this one too: th-cam.com/video/8cZw3nUSH9w/w-d-xo.html
Hello mate, do you still have a dropbox armored core timeline? Because that Dropbox link is no longer exist, and i want to know more about that timeline.
Thank you.
I might still have it somewhere, will look into it
Any way to get the timeline, the link to the dropbox isn't working
Yeah, it's been a minute. Discord is probably the easiest way, if you happen to be on there.
What’s the name of the background OST?
Artificial Sky Tribal th-cam.com/video/GVfZBS1N3eY/w-d-xo.html
2019 anyone??
Here's hoping
@@CoffeePotato, lol yeah...
What do you think is better, AC For answer or AC Verdict day???
@@nibel-k1433 Depends on what you're going for. For Answer feels and looks better, while playing pretty dang well. Verdict Day has more gadget and weapon variety, as well as a unique Hardcore Mode that makes the single player much more interesting, but the mechanics can be confusing, and it's pretty hard to look at a good chunk of the time.
So mechanically I'd prefer VD under other circumstances, but FA just feels so much better to play, is generally smoother, and feels a lot more alive.
@@CoffeePotato idk, Is an hard choice for me...
@@nibel-k1433 I'd recommend FA for sure if choosing which one gives the better impression. VD is like Last Raven in that it's mechanically well made, but gives an awful impression
I believe head toward mars one in real life.
Indeed, they make tasty chocolate 🤣
I have always wondered myself how all the games came together I assumed that fifth and VD games came after Last Raven given its ending and on the concept of the Companies and what government was around ignoring the old tech in Nine Breaker that seems kinda out of place but I can seem them doing that if they were smart enough to figure out what it all did and how it could screw them over.
Well, as a species, we are oddly gifted at weaponizing things in the worst ways possible. Mentally this list seemed like the most straight forward plotline to me.
Coffee Potato Understandable and I agree on our unnatural ability if weaponizing just about everything we come across.
@@xianderthest8014 Can't have competition if there's none alive! (Literally a mission in Silent Line, hahaha)
Heh yea seems about right!
DS lore: The world is dying, kill it before you die too
AC lore: Capitalism sux, this Nine Ball guy is cool af tho
What’s the music playing in the background?
Artificial Sky Tribal, from AC Nexus's bonus disc.
Thanks
@@rhadess3320 glad to help!
They go to Mars not the moon
Which part?
@@CoffeePotato Armored Core 2
You said they go to the moon but its it's actually Mars
@@EmoKakyo Ah, true, you're right, whoops, I misspoke, my bad.
@@CoffeePotato 👌
Can you send me a link to this huge presentation in a photo format ?
I suppose I can, whatcha doing with it?
@@CoffeePotato welp I am trying to understand the lore and the story of armored core a lot more and I am explaining it to my friends but I need this in a photo format in order to do so...if you want...you can leave your water mark of your name in the corner in the front to show you are the owner of it...which I don't mind
@@undying1177 Oh, I don't mind mind that, was just figuring maybe I can help. I'll pop that in the description when I get back.
@@CoffeePotato thank you very much
@@CoffeePotato thank you for the drop box link
XA-24683.... Raven the rest is up too you.
The story's reverse engineered Mucle tracing equipment from ac4 /FA, Wars escalate? So the mech Muscle tracing machines that evoled into armored core / Human plus aka (Human/cyborg piolts interfaces) with there machines. They were lost due to the wars from Ac4 too VD and what was left in the towers and humans were able too engineer them and start the psx triology... the theorys are band waggoning over each other's ideas. The story has too be in order the games came out.. In the end of VD/5 they state they are trying to prevent the dark Raven/players decisions to kill everyone in FA and the destruction... + Kelins actions to kill Serph N.B.
1000's years later 5 takes place and they try agian, but still have some Next tech available but it's not fully understood. The game States thousands of years have passed and they fear the "Player" aka the dark Raven.
Why would the games have to take place in the order the games came out? A lot of eastern stories, and especially FROM's stories like to operate in an intentionally confusing order. Considering many of the earlier stories mention that governments no longer exist, considering that 4th gen is the closest to the world as we know it geographically, as well as the fact that 5th gen has dead machines from 4, that already solidly places them first in line. VD implies an inescapable end, and 1 starts with humanity living underground. From there there's conclusions that could be drawn about who did what when, but I feel that the above is the most story path. The rest is drawn from how and when things evolved from there, based on gameplay.
@@CoffeePotato it doesn't make sense tho the reversed engineered technology along with the way Reaper J speaks in the past tense, so did maggy, Leo, and the way the A.I. story rolls thru
KARASAWA-MK2 Part Description
Armored Core 2/Armored Core 2: Another Age
Successor to a famous weapon.
End of discussion.
Unless you say weapons are non canon...
Right, and FA was full of endless amounts of nonsensical super weapons that got abandoned after the earth got jacked up. I mean AC4 has those drones from Nexus and Last Raven as just standard attack drones.
I don't see how that conflicts. It gets called Karasawa in 1st gen, and 2 does make sense after it, I never said 2 didn't come after 1. I think it was 4th-5th-1st-Then a 2nd/3rd alternate timeline situation, that was in the video pretty clearly.
For fuck's sake, this keeps getting linked by people as "evidence" to support their baseless pet timeline theories.
Stop trying to make a unified timeline. There isn't one. The games don't all fit neatly into one universe. With a few exceptions, no thought was given to any sort of overarching continuity while creating them.
:allduerespect: :heresy: :crowhat: :toadcrouch:
That's why it's a theory. It's FromSoft, fuzzy lore assumptions are the other half of the game. Moreso I'm shocked folks were linking this, that's neat!
I wish you had scripted yourself. You could've taken out a lot of the rambling and repeating and it would've been easier to do more than one take (to remove the sighs, "um"s, and pauses). It's very difficult to focus on what someone's saying when they don't seem to be saying anything in particular.
True, but this was years ago. I've improved at least 2% since then. I really should go back and edit this one, though.