The visuals (albeit, from China) really make it easier to understand what is truly happening with the engineering behind the Hybrid Max engine! Thanks!
Kirk, For a Crown Platinum with 340 hp that weighs more than a Ford Crown Victoria, your mpg result is outstanding.🥳🥳 My biggest concern with the Crown Sedan is the fact the comfortable and elevated seat height is negated by the lack of rear seat headroom. That is a problem that plagues 99% of sedans in production today. 🤨
His MpG results make me wish this powertrain was available on the new Crown Signia. It seems like not including the Hybrid Max on the Signia is a miss.
@@jamesphillips4599 That is a fair point. At this time I am still amazed Toyota brought the Crown wagon to our market. If the Signia sells at or above the numbers Toyota projected, they may consider adding a second powertrain option.
07:45 are your results, 37.74 mpg. That’s quite impressive with that kind of weight and power available. I drove a Crown Hybrid Max and it was quite “ zippy” says my butt dyno.
@@xzimxzim I just don't know what Toyota was thinking by not bringing the Crown Sport over to the states at all. It's gorgeous and the only Crown I really have any interest in buying
I have convinced my daughter to obtain a Crown Signia XLE next summer. I only hope Toyota doesn't restrict inventory and that it is readily available here in Houston. Thanks for all of your reviews, much appreciated.
11:16 I know what you mean by the shuttering cause I had to get rid of my 230K 2018 Camry cause of it. It’s the way the transmission binds to a gear and you have to lift shift it into gear otherwise it shutters.
Very interesting, I’m an owner of a Crown Limited and I get a cool 45-44 mpg, slightly more than its advertised. However, I have 100% went over that and hit a whopping 57mpg but that took a lot of conscious planning The crown is 100% the best option for comfort, style, and size. You can easily get 50mpg and the AWD system gets you DOWN when you need it. My biggest gripe about it is that the head clearance is HORRENDOUS, if you’re 6 foot you might have an issue especially if you use the sun visor
If I had a child that made honor roll I would consider that sticker. The Dodgers won the World Series and I don't think that is significant enough for me to put a sticker on my vehicle. But also I fear that I would apply stickers crooked and I don't like the idea of sticker remorse.
@@irvinewayne4086the EPA doesn’t buy the Avalon. As much as I loved the Avalon, it didn’t make sense logistically to keep producing them since they were not selling as much as their other cars. Folks want SUVs nowadays
How are hybrids in 100+ degree weather? I live in the great state of Texas, and in the summer it can hit 100 regularly. I am very skeptical of EVs/hybrids in that climate. I feel the battery would degrade so fast.
I had an 08 Lexus GS450H and it never got close to the gas mileage rating. And yeah it was fast for its time, V8 mpg. it was easily hitting 175 mph on the Autobahn. There are videos on TH-cam for those all interested 😂
I drive my hybrid (CRV) in sport mode until I get to traffic, since it's more fun. I normally get about 37-40 here in Texas. I lose a bunch on the 80+ MPH highways, but all in all I am happy that I bought a hybrid.
the mpgs you get on your road tests (usually more than mfgr's estimate has to take into account - yourocatkon - Florida is flat.... where we live, we deal with hills all over the locale, constantly affecting mpgs... ???
Hi Kirk, I recently bought a 2025 Camry and sometimes when the HV battery is low the engine revs up more than usual to charge it. Like when applying throttle and what not it revs higher, it kind of feels like a clutch slipping to describe the feel. It revs a lot higher than any car I have owned when its in idle and trying to charge the battery. Have you felt the same in some cases when driving that car? Thanks
Kirk, you made one small mistake on the powertrain. saying the rear E-axle can't be disconnected and that it always requires a power draw isn't true. Just because the motor is connected does not mean the current has to be flowing... If Toyota always uses the rear motor that is by choice. Not a requirement based on build layout... That's not how electric motors work.
To be fair the gen 2 prius drops bars sometimes at random if you do the math, IE 140km then 89km, 125km, 65km, etc etc. It's kind of a guesstimate. Best way to calculate fuel economy is by gong to the last 5l (or ~1.5us gal). If you want to keep it safe then just let it dry up to about 15l (~4 us gal, should be a very safe spot without occasional aeration).
My father used to tell a story when he was a young engineer back at CORCO (Common Wealth Refinery Co.). He had one fully optioned and he used to park it along a basic one that was owned by an American guy just to see him mad!! That one is a rust bucket!
That turbo is what's going to kill these. With a turbo, you need super clean oil and high octane gas 100% of the time. If you don't believe me, please look it up. This Toyota Crown is a ticking time bomb
1 op 16 km for such a powerful car is an ourstanding performance, wow. The Crown, if you like the design or not, an outstanding well build car. I preferre pur 23 European spec Lexus Hybrid 300H, our car achieves 1 liter every 20 km...... . Toyota 's hybrids are magnificent and sales are 17% in the plus in Europe.....even the Bz4x is picking up sales.
That is extremely cheap compared to the rest of the world. Here in Ontario, Canada we currently pay about $4.2. Europe pays even more. So don't complain.
Cry harder, gas is as cheap as its has been for end of November in 3 years. I bought gas for 2.85 in Phoenix this week. I laughed..what a bargain compared to what I normally pay in Canada. Americans think gas should always be cheap and not be more than 2 bucks a gallon.....it ain't going back there unless we get hit with a massive world wide recession
Because the car comes from Japan and is not just sold in the US. So weird that metric is such a big deal for Americans. Don't cry 😂if you switched the settings to metric that little kms would switch to mph
If we wanna compare it with another heavy as sin hybrid, the crown absolutely smokes my V60 recharge on fuel economy, and unlike the crown, I’m premium 91 only. It’d be nice to see the hybrid Max drivetrain get a plug.
2023 S60 Recharge, 11/1/22 to 10/31/24, about 70% local miles, 20562 miles, 192.9 gal, 106.6 mpg, ~$30 / mo to charge at 16¢ per kWh. Love the technical content on this site. Here’s my contribution, 30 days in my Volvo PHEV sedan: 956 miles, 26 driving days, 6 days were more than 50 miles (105+110+73+53+167+183), totaling 691 miles, but not all hwy miles. Given my average full battery charge of 50 - not 41 - miles, one could conclude that about 390 of these miles were gasoline powered, but I’d guess the number is lower. Except for (Pa) wintertime, and if exhausting the battery completely, the car will go up to 10% farther on electric than predicted on the dash, 40 to 55 mph. Obviously, 20 of the 26 were under 50 miles. Little if any gas burned these 20 days as this motor is more than adequate for local driving. It will instantly deliver 445 lbs ft* to the rear wheels when needed. *Dyno test.
oh I’m ~94mpg overall since spring. I just mean with the battery depleted, with the car driving like a traditional hybrid, the Volvos simply aren’t much more efficient than a comparable ICE car. If Volvo offered a PHEV with 150 less horsepower, but 10mpg better economy and the ability to run regular 87, I’d have bought that, for summer road tripping…
@@Cal94 my 106 includes two Pa winters, and of course the sedan is more efficient than an SUV (12 to 15% for mine vs yours, EPA). If you complain about poor mileage in a PHEV it would be best to also point out, it’s a given when you don’t plug it in. It really does defeat the purpose.
@@billurban1581 nonsense. it is absolutely valid to criticize volvo only getting 31mpg out of S60/V60, when ford and toyota can squeeze better economy out of a bigger NA engine in a bigger car (38mpg for RAV4 prime, 40mpg in the escape PHEV). asians tend to engineer PHEVs for efficiency, whereas the europeans engineer PHEVs for horsepower, to replace bigger gas engines. we're allowed to be annoyed by that philosophical difference. We're allowed to say, "hey volvo, how about you give us a PHEV with the D4 or B4 engines, which return 40mpg easily over in europe?" And part of maintaining a PHEV, is putting heat cycles into the gas engine periodically. engines don't like to sit, and gas has a shelf life. fuel economy should still matter to us. and when using a wagon like a wagon, hauling bikes and kayaks far into the sticks, it sucks that we burn premium.
The visuals (albeit, from China) really make it easier to understand what is truly happening with the engineering behind the Hybrid Max engine! Thanks!
Kirk, For a Crown Platinum with 340 hp that weighs more than a Ford Crown Victoria, your mpg result is outstanding.🥳🥳 My biggest concern with the Crown Sedan is the fact the comfortable and elevated seat height is negated by the lack of rear seat headroom. That is a problem that plagues 99% of sedans in production today. 🤨
His MpG results make me wish this powertrain was available on the new Crown Signia. It seems like not including the Hybrid Max on the Signia is a miss.
@@jamesphillips4599 That is a fair point. At this time I am still amazed Toyota brought the Crown wagon to our market. If the Signia sells at or above the numbers Toyota projected, they may consider adding a second powertrain option.
Remember, Kirk is really good at hybrid mpg. I can’t get the same on my hybrid.
07:45 are your results, 37.74 mpg. That’s quite impressive with that kind of weight and power available. I drove a Crown Hybrid Max and it was quite “ zippy” says my butt dyno.
2025 Crown Signia, consistently 39 mpg mixed city / highway driving.
When you spend U. S. $50,000 to buy a Crown you don't care what the MPG is. It's a Toyota. Nufff said.
What we really need is a Crown Sport Hybrid Max here in the states
The crown sport with the RAV4 Prime set up. I think any set up hybrid, PHEV, or hybrid Max would be a huge win in the states.
@@xzimxzim I just don't know what Toyota was thinking by not bringing the Crown Sport over to the states at all. It's gorgeous and the only Crown I really have any interest in buying
I have a Land Cruiser with the same powertrain and the only way I can meet the advertised mpg is to never exceed 50 mph.
I have convinced my daughter to obtain a Crown Signia XLE next summer. I only hope Toyota doesn't restrict inventory and that it is readily available here in Houston. Thanks for all of your reviews, much appreciated.
We have a 2025 Crown Signia XLE. We are getting 39 mpg in mixed city / highway driving.
Don't mess with Texas. That why the Toyota Dealers have the Signia.
Kirk, not only Camry has 5th gen hybrid. In Europe Corolla and new C-HR also does have.
Yes but I was referring to the 2.5L fifth Gen hybrid
That's impressive for such a large car with that much power.
Hybrid max is not about saving, it is about performance. The 246hp is fuel saver
11:16 I know what you mean by the shuttering cause I had to get rid of my 230K 2018 Camry cause of it. It’s the way the transmission binds to a gear and you have to lift shift it into gear otherwise it shutters.
Very interesting, I’m an owner of a Crown Limited and I get a cool 45-44 mpg, slightly more than its advertised. However, I have 100% went over that and hit a whopping 57mpg but that took a lot of conscious planning
The crown is 100% the best option for comfort, style, and size. You can easily get 50mpg and the AWD system gets you DOWN when you need it. My biggest gripe about it is that the head clearance is HORRENDOUS, if you’re 6 foot you might have an issue especially if you use the sun visor
Yep I've hit my head in the roof of the crown...
If I had a child that made honor roll I would consider that sticker. The Dodgers won the World Series and I don't think that is significant enough for me to put a sticker on my vehicle. But also I fear that I would apply stickers crooked and I don't like the idea of sticker remorse.
Such a shame Toyota got rid of the Avalon 😭
Nickle-MH bat is much less prone to self/spontaneous combustion than Li-ion.
thumbs-up to toyota, a serious engineering company
Blame EPA 😁
@@irvinewayne4086the EPA doesn’t buy the Avalon. As much as I loved the Avalon, it didn’t make sense logistically to keep producing them since they were not selling as much as their other cars. Folks want SUVs nowadays
@ it’s not the EPA. It’s the stupid consumers of this country who are obsessed with fuel hogging SUVs.
@@chrisfronzi8236 Why are they stupid for having preferences?
I've got Crown XLE over Camry. NO REGRET to be honest. I see too many Camry on the road,but not this. I'm ok with Crown Design.
How are hybrids in 100+ degree weather? I live in the great state of Texas, and in the summer it can hit 100 regularly. I am very skeptical of EVs/hybrids in that climate. I feel the battery would degrade so fast.
The ISS (space station) uses batteries similar to Ni-MH, so be sure a rest - 100000 cycles easily
The batteries are air cooled from the bottom of the seat. Always use your air conditioning, keep these vents open, and keep these vents clean.
I had an 08 Lexus GS450H and it never got close to the gas mileage rating. And yeah it was fast for its time, V8 mpg. it was easily hitting 175 mph on the Autobahn. There are videos on TH-cam for those all interested 😂
I drive my hybrid (CRV) in sport mode until I get to traffic, since it's more fun. I normally get about 37-40 here in Texas. I lose a bunch on the 80+ MPH highways, but all in all I am happy that I bought a hybrid.
Nice you get cheap gas. It’s so expensive in Japan since Covid and it hasn’t gone down. Hopefully the US begins producing more gas for export too.
President Trump already promised mass production and export of gasoline, just wait!
0:00 GX550 front and center!
the mpgs you get on your road tests (usually more than mfgr's estimate has to take into account - yourocatkon - Florida is flat.... where we live, we deal with hills all over the locale, constantly affecting mpgs... ???
The day Kirk reviews the mpg on sonata hybrid 2024, will be the day I will be the happiest day of my life. 🤗
you sure you calulcated that right?
Higher octane doesnt give more horsepower it reduces knock and lets the computer use more agressive timing increasing performance
Hi Kirk, I recently bought a 2025 Camry and sometimes when the HV battery is low the engine revs up more than usual to charge it. Like when applying throttle and what not it revs higher, it kind of feels like a clutch slipping to describe the feel. It revs a lot higher than any car I have owned when its in idle and trying to charge the battery. Have you felt the same in some cases when driving that car? Thanks
Yeah that's normal in Toyota hybrids when the battery is low
The Prius does the same thing. Sounds like a slipping transmission. You get used to it.
Prius is a 5th Gen also.
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Silly Toyota does not include its reserve fuel capacity as an available range. Just think that your fuel tank is only 13 gallons.
Kirk, you made one small mistake on the powertrain. saying the rear E-axle can't be disconnected and that it always requires a power draw isn't true. Just because the motor is connected does not mean the current has to be flowing... If Toyota always uses the rear motor that is by choice. Not a requirement based on build layout... That's not how electric motors work.
Nice vehicle. Drive it gently and change the oil every 5,000 miles and get 300, 000 mies and more out of it.
To be fair the gen 2 prius drops bars sometimes at random if you do the math, IE 140km then 89km, 125km, 65km, etc etc. It's kind of a guesstimate. Best way to calculate fuel economy is by gong to the last 5l (or ~1.5us gal). If you want to keep it safe then just let it dry up to about 15l (~4 us gal, should be a very safe spot without occasional aeration).
I test drove the Crown and enjoyed it for the most part. I felt cornering was surprisingly awful compared to my current Genesis G80 Sport.
That's a good thing. They usually advertise a better fuel economy on the sticker than you actually get with true pump math.
My father used to tell a story when he was a young engineer back at CORCO (Common Wealth Refinery Co.). He had one fully optioned and he used to park it along a basic one that was owned by an American guy just to see him mad!! That one is a rust bucket!
That turbo is what's going to kill these. With a turbo, you need super clean oil and high octane gas 100% of the time. If you don't believe me, please look it up. This Toyota Crown is a ticking time bomb
Such a BS statement, I've owned turbo cars since I could legally drive and with proper maintenance I've never had issues.
You should be looking at the Tank Average not the Total Average…
Just don’t go over speed bumps with this thing, it has a terrible suspension.
First I've heard of a Toyota Hybrid with a turbo. It's not on some didnky high stressed engine to replace a normally aspirated engine.
To me Crown makes sense only in Platinum. Otherwise stick with a Camry.
1 op 16 km for such a powerful car is an ourstanding performance, wow. The Crown, if you like the design or not, an outstanding well build car. I preferre pur 23 European spec Lexus Hybrid 300H, our car achieves 1 liter every 20 km...... .
Toyota 's hybrids are magnificent and sales are 17% in the plus in Europe.....even the Bz4x is picking up sales.
I paid $2.77 a gallon yesterday, here in MD. Felt like I was getting ripped off because prices have been creeping up since the election.
That is extremely cheap compared to the rest of the world. Here in Ontario, Canada we currently pay about $4.2. Europe pays even more. So don't complain.
Cry harder, gas is as cheap as its has been for end of November in 3 years. I bought gas for 2.85 in Phoenix this week. I laughed..what a bargain compared to what I normally pay in Canada. Americans think gas should always be cheap and not be more than 2 bucks a gallon.....it ain't going back there unless we get hit with a massive world wide recession
Kirk, I Still Don't Like the Dual Color scheme, I Personally prefer One Exterior Color, Only 😊🇺🇲🇨🇦😎.
its a Veyron sedan 😊
Why does it show km/h underneath the gas / range indicator?? So weird.
Because the car comes from Japan and is not just sold in the US. So weird that metric is such a big deal for Americans. Don't cry
😂if you switched the settings to metric that little kms would switch to mph
WTF IS A KILOMETER 🇺🇸🦅💥🔫🍔🗣️🔊🔊
@@unkemptharold9264 real world measurement
1 km/h is 8 Red socks stadium per hour
@@mikej238 Ah thanks, I just figured, 1km/h = 8 RedSox Stadium/hour
If we wanna compare it with another heavy as sin hybrid, the crown absolutely smokes my V60 recharge on fuel economy, and unlike the crown, I’m premium 91 only. It’d be nice to see the hybrid Max drivetrain get a plug.
2023 S60 Recharge, 11/1/22 to 10/31/24, about 70% local miles, 20562 miles, 192.9 gal, 106.6 mpg, ~$30 / mo to charge at 16¢ per kWh. Love the technical content on this site. Here’s my contribution, 30 days in my Volvo PHEV sedan:
956 miles, 26 driving days, 6 days were more than 50 miles (105+110+73+53+167+183), totaling 691 miles, but not all hwy miles. Given my average full battery charge of 50 - not 41 - miles, one could conclude that about 390 of these miles were gasoline powered, but I’d guess the number is lower. Except for (Pa) wintertime, and if exhausting the battery completely, the car will go up to 10% farther on electric than predicted on the dash, 40 to 55 mph.
Obviously, 20 of the 26 were under 50 miles. Little if any gas burned these 20 days as this motor is more than adequate for local driving. It will instantly deliver 445 lbs ft* to the rear wheels when needed.
*Dyno test.
oh I’m ~94mpg overall since spring. I just mean with the battery depleted, with the car driving like a traditional hybrid, the Volvos simply aren’t much more efficient than a comparable ICE car. If Volvo offered a PHEV with 150 less horsepower, but 10mpg better economy and the ability to run regular 87, I’d have bought that, for summer road tripping…
@@Cal94 my 106 includes two Pa winters, and of course the sedan is more efficient than an SUV (12 to 15% for mine vs yours, EPA). If you complain about poor mileage in a PHEV it would be best to also point out, it’s a given when you don’t plug it in. It really does defeat the purpose.
@@billurban1581 nonsense. it is absolutely valid to criticize volvo only getting 31mpg out of S60/V60, when ford and toyota can squeeze better economy out of a bigger NA engine in a bigger car (38mpg for RAV4 prime, 40mpg in the escape PHEV). asians tend to engineer PHEVs for efficiency, whereas the europeans engineer PHEVs for horsepower, to replace bigger gas engines. we're allowed to be annoyed by that philosophical difference. We're allowed to say, "hey volvo, how about you give us a PHEV with the D4 or B4 engines, which return 40mpg easily over in europe?"
And part of maintaining a PHEV, is putting heat cycles into the gas engine periodically. engines don't like to sit, and gas has a shelf life. fuel economy should still matter to us. and when using a wagon like a wagon, hauling bikes and kayaks far into the sticks, it sucks that we burn premium.
Nice
tricky title 😁
What a flop
Where’s the flop?
My Honda Civic gets better gas mileage. And it isn’t a hybrid!
This has 350 hp. Duh.
and it only weighs 2100 lbs and can't Cary 4 people comfortably. My old 2005 Corolla used to get 35 to 40 mph too....but it definitely wasn't luxury