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Haven't you guys noticed how when Clay imagines how everything happened with Hannah that everything is bright but when it goes back to present day, then it's dark and gloomy like his life his dull without her.
honestly, it didn't portray women as weak. In the show, Alex was also going down that path too. It's not about which gender is weaker. It's about how we should all support and love each other regardless of who or what we are.
The point people miss about this show, is not Hannah's death - it's Alex's suicide. Just as in life, if you spend all your time paying attention to the obvious, the loudest, the shiniest, you miss the signs that are right in front of you, anyone who was surprised by Alex's suicide, was not paying attention to very obvious signs. This is a lesson for life, you need to truly see the people around you, what they are telling you when you are too busy living.
i felt the suicide scene was important. and it was disturbing but what really affected me was when her parents found her. the effect on them was what had me in tears. That's what hit me most was the thought of loved ones discovering someone who had commited suicide.
Megara Noble omg yesss😭😭 that part made me cry so muchhhh because the parents where convincing themselves that she was gonna be fine but they knew deeeep inside that she wasn't gonna be ok and that part made me cry😭
Those therapists are kind of right in terms of the romanticizing suicide, but the suicide scene was so graphic that it horrified me and deterred me from any suicidal thoughts since hell, she looked like she was in so much pain. If they put a mild version of that scene, people would've been like "Oh, suicide is easy peasy."
Voodoo Bear true. I think the issue with these shows, is that it spreads awareness to people who don’t know much about stuff like that. However it also can make people more depressed and make them dwell in their sadness
As somebody who has struggled with self harm and suicide (I’ve never seen the scene because I would probably have a panic attack), those kinds of things may help some people, or gain empathy from the general public, but they hurt most suicidal people. Artistically speaking it’s great, and it does show pain, but it doesn’t mean that will stop everybody from committing. Suicide is a final option, a moment of physical pain to relieve all of the mental pain. The scene does more bad than good in my opinion.
coming from someone who has struggled with depression and suicide, this was a very accurate portrayal. everything Hannah felt, I felt once. I was fortunate to have someone stop me in time. and the ones who are saying that it romanticizes suicide or revenge, or blaming everyone else, or that she was dramatic, seeking attention, etc... they only say that because they don't understand. they've never been suicidal themselves and they may not realize that they are in the same mindset as the bullies. this is something that needs to be addressed. people need to understand, those who suffer with this are not stable. they are sick and need help and they do not see things as a stable, rational person would. And no, it doesn't show how to avoid suicide, that was not the point. the point was to accurately portray how someone struggling with depression thinks and feels. this was about how what everyone did affected her and worsened her sickness until she became suicidal. Your words and actions affect others more than you know, and we all need to realize this.
CybertronianMedic 101010 thank you, I am too. but I could not have done it on my own. A girl I barely knew had decided to try and befriend me and just happened to decide to check on me at just the right moment. she stopped me, held me for a while as I cried, listened to everything I had to say, and got me to a doctor. she has been the best friend anyone could ask for and I would not be here without her.
"I was very disturbed by that scene." You are supposed to be disturbed by it. It is not meant to make you feel any other way except absolutely disgusted and mortified, because that is how suicide actually affects people.
I'm sorry but to the girl who said the issues in this show were poorly portrayed and it was extremely brutal, do you not think the things that Hannah Baker has gone through are brutal? She was sexually assaulted on multiple occasions, bullied, abandoned -even when she cried out for help and then she ended her own life. Those things are brutal. That kind of mindset is what makes people think it glorifies suicide. The suicide scene is necessary, it is supposed to be brutal, because suicide is a brutal thing. Showing it any other way would have been romanticizingnit. I definitely agree that you need to be in the right mindset to watch this, but you also need to realize they made this show because the topics discussed are things that happen everyday and are things that are brutal and awful. Most TV shows probably would have left the suicide scene out or even showed it to be less graphic, and that's part of the problem.
Exactly! I feel like the suicide scene was so real and it was necessary. And I really appreciate they showing that eventhough they knew that it would be very controversial. I just dont understand people who said that this show is not true to reality and Hannah is a drama queen. Like imagine being 17 and is sexually assaulted by someone, you would be feeling the exact same way Hannah and Jess did. The important thing is that you remember to seek for help and try to avoid suicidal ideation
Okay I'm getting real pissed at the people saying the suicide scene is "too disturbing" like that's the point !!!!!!!!! So you can see that it's awful and painful and not beautiful in anyway. It's the opposite of romanticizing suicide which is what most kids see on social media all the time.
@@fanpagescorner7502 a lot of people said when they first watched the show there wasn't a waring on it. I think they added it after the suici*de scene, but I don't know what episode because I don't have Netflix. I've been watching reaction videos on TH-cam.
The suicide scene showed complete vulnerability and brokenness. I think it was necessary for it to be shown- she got hurt by so many people, but at the end she hurt herself. It showed the way her parents reacted to it, it showed the entire gory way that some teens feel that they have to go out.
The suicide scene is SO necessary. The way Katherine Langford played that scene was absolutely stunning. You could see right through her, see the fear, and it showed how deeply hurt Hannah was at that point. The whole show shows us how easy it is to miss all the signs. The end scenes make it real and creates an impact on the audience, which really is what the whole show is about....
“Stunning” is a poor choice of words. Especially when associated with suicide. But yes I agree she did a splendid job portraying the role of a hurt young woman.
The suicide scene's purpose is to be hard to watch. Glamorizing suicide would be making suicide seem less horrific than it is. This show does the complete opposite by showing the effect it has on Hannah's loved ones
SO HAPPY I went to high school RIGHT BEFORE smart phones. Nobody could afford spending their phone minutes on sending texts or making calls. The only social media was xanga and it wasn't mobile friendly. Life was just... easy. You only texted in emergencies. You had to see people or call after 8 pm for free. Lol man.
the book version was set in the late 80s-90s. the original tapes were cassettes and no one had phones. the same things still happened and affected hannah in the same way, so technology is not all to blame
jacque5006 oh I get that, I just mean that currently in our day and age, technology makes bullying much much easier. Just a general observation in terms of the show.
I think that Parents React should watch the trailer because I really think that it would be important to see a parent's perspective on suicide. Please see this comment and please like if you agree
I don't understand why the negativity come from for this show? THIS SHOW is not intended for people who are thinking about suicide this is for PEOPLE to help out those WHO NEED HELP to see the signs and try to prevent a tragedy and most importantly the effects your words can cause to another person you might think is nothing but there are people who have a very soft skin and is too much when you attack them with words
XsinisterX616 i totally agree. not every show is for every person. just like how a love story is probably not what someone who recently was dumped shpupd watch, this show is probably not what a depressed person should watch.
it’s difficult bc when someone’s feeling suicidal this is exactly the type of thing that they’re drawn too. like, when i saw it for the first time i was Not doing well and the warning just drew me closer in. i get that for a lot of people it scared them but all i could see was the release, and that in the end hannah won. that was kind of the issue, at least in my life. the fact that it hurt and was bloody and shit didn’t matter bc self harm, and the look in her eyes and the fact that everyone regret their actions was appealing. i just wish the show had been more careful with showing it. it’s an important conversation, but the way that things were done really just pushed me further down a nasty route. idk, i think i’m too close to the issue to really have an impartial opinion though, it was really powerful for some people. who knows
I don't understand why people say this is making people comtemplating suicide rather than to see the after effect of suicide as how it affects your loved ones emotional states.
You're right it does show how it affects your loved ones,what are also shows suicide is a way of saying f*** you to the bullies, that's how it romanticizes suicide.
I will admit that before watching it I didn't have any interest bc I left like it was just gonna be another "oh this is a show about how bullying is bad" but after watching it, I realized it was actually a lot deeper than that. The show showed how bullying just one person can effect everyone around, not just the victim, it effected everyone, to the girls family, to her school to even the bullies themselves, and that's why I like it bc I've never seen any show go so deep on this matter.
Completely agree with the one kid: without showing the suicide scene and without showing the brutal aftermath with her parents finding her body it wouldn't of been as powerful and horrifying as it was. That scene cemented the truth of what suicide is: more pain.
The shaved head asian looking guy is the most woke one. The show is disturbing and sad and put me in a weird funk the entire week I was watching, but u get over that feeling once its done and the lessons that stay with you are worth it. Also, I agree the suicide scene was disturbing but it had to be! Because the whole show did romanticize suicide and a lot of teens do too because they're dramatic that way. But seeing the actual act in all its gore needed to disturb teens enough that they wouldn't try it. That way they'll think twice when that moment comes of extreme emotion, drama, and romanticism of thinking yay finally when im gone ppl will realize how fucked up they were to me and how sad I was.
@@sabrinavirk702 im just surprised youre still active and replied to my comment this early. Anyway it is always nice to see people stanning for 13rw i mean i do but now a days you cant find a lot of stans which is kinda sad .13rw Fandom has gone to shit. 13rw is just true beauty. I also especially stan for Katherine Langford 😌
"If you are not in the right age, if you're not in the right point in your life, if you're not in the right mindset, then it's gonna instill the wrong things in you and it's going to lead down into a darker path. But if you're in the right mindset, if you're looking at it from a good healthy perspective then it has really good lesson." ~ Eric I totally agree with his opinions.
Broken Messiah I agree with it but majority of the audience has also not experienced mental illnesses like that before and can't understand why someone could just simply cut their lives short because of high school.
i personally struggle with anxiety and depression and i watched the whole season. i could relate to hannah in many ways. even the smallest things said or done could cause major problems, because people don't realise that every person is in a different mental health state and handles that differently. me personally when i have only the smallest fights with people i care about i break down completely. people need to understand that a mental illness is as serious as a physical illness
I actually have anxiety and i had trouble with the season, i watched very slowly because it made me very anxious, but i never thought that i wanted to do that. I just realise about the problems of her and y feel bad about her and i feel bad about his parents and about me... But it helped me a lot, i don't really know how, but it helped me to continue my life instead of ending it. I don't think the suicide part surplus and i don't think the series should not be seen by "children" because i'm a girl and it helped more than anyone c: ((Sorry for the bad english i speak spanish hasbh))
no one's going to skip the scene okay and plus it doesn't matter if you skip it or not the fact that they put it in he's still a problem because that drives people to suicide, and suicide is bad
The death scene wasn't supposed to be entertaining.. It's supposed to be very uncomfortable and intense and hard to watch because that's what it is. They wanted to accurately show what it's like so that it can continue in your mind as something very uncomfortable. I believe it achieved that and people are being dramatic. The show was portrayed pretty accurately to the book and this addition to it, really sealed the deal and hopefully people are more aware of this issue.
One of the therapeutic guidelines to dealing with suicide is to not reveal how the person committed suicide. This comes straight from psychologists. The show violates all 7 guidelines of dealing with suicide.
I really wish you guys had someone on the show who has been directly effect by depression and suicide. When you have severe clinical depression, your mind doesn't work the same way other people's do. You see the world through a lense that's been narrowed and distorted. This show does have a purpose but the message of mental illness is not portrayed in a way that effectively explains what having depression is like. This show takes depression and demonizes it, making it a tool for revenge rather than an uncontroable disease that constantly eats away at your brain until you've reached the point of hopelessness. Depression effects people all in different ways but this show is not an accurate representation of how DEPRESSION brings teens to suicide. Yes it touches on serious issues that need to be addressed like sexual harrasment and bullying and yes it makes people more aware but someone with depression watching this show will be affected in a way that a mentally health person can almost never understand. On another note, even though these people in her life have effected her and sent her further into depression, this does not give her the right to blame her suicide on them. Blaming your depression or suicide on another human being is the cruelest thing you could ever do. Sufferers of depression should not be told or shown in anyway that "it's okay to blame what you're going through on someone else." Depression is a disease and yes none of them helped and yes they did things that pushed her closer to suicide but making tapes to blame and chastise them is curel. Giving the impression that this is the right way to handle this is wrong. No adult nor child should ever have to hold the guilt that they are the reason that someone lost their will to live. That is not how depression works. This television show as well as book had great intentions and, as always when you speak up about a controversial topic, will be critisized. I commend the author and all those involved in the show for standing up on such contreversial topics.
Ricardo, yes that CAN be the case but it is not always the case. When someone sees that they can menipulate another person with their mental illness by guilting them into doing thing because they were the cause of their suicidal thoughts, that has gone too far. I personally have experienced that on a high scale. My father committed suicide and my ex boyfriend attempted suicide and blamed me when I did nothing to hurt either of them. I too had a form of depression after the death of my father. I know what it feels like to be on both sides. It's not fair. No one deserves it. My point is, this show uses suicide as a menipulate tool which is not okay. I acknowledge your opinion and repectfully disagree.
I liked that they showed all the really graphic scenes because it shows them the reality and the horrors of what actually happens. If you can't handle it thats why there is disclaimers before the graphic episodes.
The suicide scene showed how real it is and how bad it hurts and how low you have to get to be there. They needed that to show you that you can't just treat people terribly and nothing will happen. It made the show. It shoved it in your face that this is real and it needs to stop. This show was great and I think it was done greatly and i'm happy that people finally spoke up about this issue.
excuse me, I think the suicide scene and how intense it was is very important and I'm glad they didn't cut it any short of what they had. they tried to make it as painful to watch as possible so that people wouldn't get the wrong idea.
To me it looked simple. Like she did it and then it was just over. It was both incredibly triggering and gives kids the idea that slitting your wrists is an easy way to go. Bleeding to death lasts so much longer than the show portrayed.
I don't think many people watched the 14th episode on netflix where all the producers explained why they did certian scenes. It makes everything make more scenes. you should all go watch it now.
The thing about 13 Reasons Why is that no matter how stupid or awfully played out you thought it was it got you paying more attention to what was happening to the people around you, it got you talking about it. It got your teachers talking about suicide and it got parents talking about it. Even if you hated the show it was about suicide, which isn't talked about enough, and it got you to pay attention.
I think the problem with this show is that people dont get this isnt for the hannah's out there to watch, it's for the courtneys, the clays, the justins etc, that's why it's so raw and real, to show the very real consequences of what you might think an inoffensive action can have
This entire show in my opinion is a wake up call to everybody. From teachers to parents to popular people to depressed people. The show accurately represents how this stuff escalates and for the gory suicide scene, it serves as a reality check, to show you that taking your own life is serious and painful not only for you but for all those around you. Idk about y'all but it's heartbreaking to see Hannah's mom and dad walk into that bathroom seeing her lifeless body in the tub. I have personally had some depression throughout my life and I must say after watching this show and ESPECIALLY the suicide scene, never would I think of committing suicide.
i actually dont understand how people just see Hannah's story or Hannah's death. The show was a story of everyone, about people's interaction relationship in general. i know that whole story is to raise awareness of suicide in general, but it showed that everyone had their own struggles as well (except Bryce). That is what makes it RELATABLE, not only Hannah's experience.
Do people not understand the suicide scene? It's meant to make you uncomfortable, it's meant to make you throw up, it's meant to make you cry, it's meant to make it feel real, feel the urgency of the subject matter.
I was bullied and I tried to committee suicide as did my sister. This show is extremely moving to us both because it shows that power of what people go through. The suicide Scene was the most powerful because it actually showed everything that happens and it's purpose is to show a message and to tel people what bullying does. The show does not "romantic" suicide it shows that effects of bullying and that all these "Little things" add up to someone ending their life.
Shelby Burns I disagree. the things that happened didn't cause her suicide. Even after a bunch of bad stuff happens to u know matter how messed up your life is you still have a choice. You have a CHOICE to continue. nobody's actions will make you end your own life. only you can do that. that's what this show ignored to acknowledge .
That suicide scene was absolutely necessary. People who don't understand what someone is going through need to see that they need to see the struggle someone goes through and the possible outcome of what their harsh words and actions can't effect someone. I've never been to that point but that last episode hurt me to the core I was a snotty mess
alleycat307 agreed. we can't sugar coat suicide, and them showing it was a step towards understanding suicide. yes it was graphic. yes it was gross. yes it was scary. but suicide is all that. we CANNOT hide suicide. we need to tackle it head on and stop people from killing themselves. and if that is through 13 reasons why as a first step. then I applaud.
But it's incredibly triggering for people with mental health issues - it can, in fact, lead to even more suicides. I agree that we need to make people understand how their words affect people, but not in a way that can lead to more people killing themselves. "Risk of additional suicides increases when the story explicitly describes the suicide method, uses dramatic/graphic headlines or images and repeated/extensive coverage sensationalizes or glamorizes a death." - American Foundation for Suicide Prevention
"This is a very negative portrayal of these issues"... Yes... 100% agree. Such a happy, lighthearted topic such as the concept of SUICIDE cannot be treated as upsetting, uncomfortable and brutally REAL they make it feel on the show.
Wow. You understand that they meant it wasn't a healthy way to look at suicide right? Physiologists, people with PhD's that know what they are talking about, are saying the same things. This romanticizes suicide, not only that suicide happens mostly for people with issues beyond their control high amount of cases being clinical depression and the like. Sarah had none of that, she was just a kid that made terrible choice after terrible choice then got her rocks off blaming everyone else's in some sort of revenge plot. If you think this is real you really need to do some research.
Finally there comes a show which does not bullshit about serious matters, addresses them as they are, and tries to bring awareness. And everyone's freaking out because issues aren't meant to be highlighted?! are you kidding me?
supBRO! that was REAL. that is how it happens. Maybe they didn't do a good job with how the story unfolds but that's real for all the people considering suicide because they see no way out. It is supposed to bring you to the reality and bring you out of the misunderstanding and suicide is not a way out. there hasn't been a single show with guts to talk about issues like these and finally there's an effort a show is making and all people do is criticize. honestly, if you think that's stupid, you are really fortunate to be experiencing life of a fairytale.
i agree with Eric so much. her suicide scene made me feel so sick and that's not romanticising it, it's bringing it to life and putting it all out in the open
Jess Raven it glorifies suicide because sometimes people can become suicidal for reasons unrelated to others and it invalidates their issues and the guy had a "if only I had loved her" attitude as though that would have saved her when in reality suicide is much more complicated
Maybe it doesn't glorify suicide if you're not suicidal but shows like this are supposed to show depressed people "hey people can relate to you and you're not alone you can find help" but all 13 reasons why does is glorify revenge suicide
It doesn't glorify suicide, glorifying suicide would be like "YAY HANNAH COMMITED SUICIDE ITS ALL HAPPY AGAIN AND SHE'S NOT DEPRESSED". The show shows how suicide could affect others in negative ways and how suicide could pass the pain on and why kids commit suicide.
Honestly I did think the suicide scene was necessary, or at least the part where her body is found, because that scene broke me. Her parents reactions are very heartbreaking so like.. ye i thought it shoulda been in there.
Cameron Richards Like the dude said (11:25 - 11:40) it shows how brutal it is. How it effects everyone especially your family, the ones who love you the most.
I have a friend who has been diagnosed with depression and he has had suicidal thoughts before. He had a hard time watching the suicide scene in 13 Reasons Why and explained how it made him not want to commit suicide.
People saying the show is stupid: 1) It shows true issues that people like to avoid but happens in real life 2) It COULD help people in that situation, make them feel how great life is... 3) The show helps people come to terms with loss of somebody.. P.S I only wanted to say this because my sister committed suicide and I never really knew why it made me see her perspective, I just wanted to say my opinion because this show has effected me personally! I believe it's important to watch this show! xx
Exactly. at the end of the season Clay says love could have saved her from suicide, but love is not the only reason. A person who commits suicide has mental issues that do not get solved with love and friendship. They need professional help.
I disagree with you. This show is far from being stupid, it is full of powerfull messages. It's about loving life, being good to people, caring after one another and showing suicide is never an answer because there are always people that care about you. Have you even watched the entire show or are you just writing something you read somewhere ? The show does not mention mental illness. It protrays it without needing to say it. It shows how a person can little by little fall into depression without anyone around noticing. It sends a very important message about how profound suffering is sometimes invisible to others. It is about caring more about one another and be aware of signs that someone is suffering and needs help.
Honestly, how could they say that the suicide scene wasn't necessary? It portrayed brutality and realness- it was raw. And just like Eric, I also nearly threw up watching it. The show would have been lost without this climax- and the fact that the camera didn't shy away from these issues shows bravery. I couldn't agree with Eric more. I would recommend this show to anybody.
Natasha Taylor-Olive i wouldn't recommend it to anyone with suicidal thoughts or a mental illness. the suicide scene literally looked like a how-to guide
I don't understand how you could think that the suicide scene wasn't necessary, it was completely necessary, and it was shown in such a graphic way to make people realise how horrible and brutal it is in real life. It's not romanticising suicide at all, it's raw such a real representation of what suicide is and what it does to not only the person but the people they care about
Latest Obsession i know i mean people wanna look wanna from it but thats what parents are doing to us kids. they yearn us away from these things even though they happened and still happen
While the producers didn't mean to glamorize suicide, there are depressed kids who will watch it and glamorize it themselves. Suicide is really tricky to portray correctly in media.
I dont think this show romanticized suicide at all. Nothing about this show made it seem appealing. It was all so lonely, and it showed the effects it had on others like your parents. I also think the suicide scene was very important. Not a tutorial, but more like, suicide isnt pretty. It will never be pretty. This is how some people choose to go out, and its not good. It hurts and theres no going back once its done. Its gruesome. The fact that it is so graphic is important. People need to feel the disgust or the sickness from watching it. People need to understand that its not a good way to go. The show definitely doesnt really show how much someone could find help, but at the same time, that makes it more realistic because teenagers have such a hard time asking for help with anything. They dont want to be bullied more or told that theyre being dramatic, which hannah talks about in the tapes. Because they dont want to talk about it, they subtly look for help, but they cant seem to get it because they arent saying it flat out. I cann see why this show is very controversial, but i really think it is important for people to watch this and look at a new view. So many people dont understand that these things are happening every day and we just dont see it.
I wasnt saying that this was a great show for people with depression, i forgot to mention that. I think this is a great show for other people who dont get talked to about this stuff to realize that they may not know what they are saying could hurt people or that what they do could have a bigger impact than they meant it too. I think this show blows into a bigger per-portion to those who think suicide and depression is a joke. Like i said i get why this show is controversial. it could have a bad effect on those with depression. I just forgot to mention that in my comment.
The suicide scene is showing people the truth of what suicide is. It's meant to shock you and disturb you, it's meant to feel like a slap in the face. Most of the time it's what is needed to get through to people.
Seems to me that the show did exactly what it set out to do. Whether or not the show was good or bad, there is a lot more discussion about teen suicide and bullying now. That alone makes the show a success in my eyes.
I watched the series and a week later, I was admitted to a metal health treatment hospital. This opinion is coming from someone who was hospitalized because of depression and wanting to commit suicide. This series honestly might have saved my life. Seeing Hannah's suicide scene and the goriness of it scared me out of it. If the producers would have made it easy and painless with an overdose, I might have actually gone through with overdosing myself. That scene is necessary. It shows the realness of it. It shows how painful and traumatic it can be. I can see the psychologist's side of it as well, but personal, I believe the show can help someone contemplating suicide. It also made me realize the scary aftermath. If Hannah wouldn't have gone through with it, she could've been happy with Clay and could've seen that some people actually cared about her and would help her through anything. This show 100% helped me.
Everyone saying bad reviews about this series apparently didn't connect with the fact that all of the things in the show actually do happen, happen every day, really. So, everyone saying this is hard to watch, that was the point. The "romanticizing" of suicide that reviewers talk about? How could watching a girl who had been through unspeakable, horrific things slitting her own wrists in a bathtub with blood pouring out of her ever be romantic?
with all due respect towards your opinions and comment in mind, i think the 'romanticizing' critics talk about refers to the idea that some viewers are getting. this idea being that suicide will teach others a lesson, and therefore romanticizing the idea that killing yourself might teach a bunch of people a lesson, making it worth it. this, obviously, isn't the case, and that's why people think 13RW is romanticizing suicide and mental illness. at least, that's what i'm getting from all the buzz. i, personally, have not watched the show, so i don't have an opinion to offer. again, all due respect towards your opinions :)
The graphic suicide HAS to be done. It shows how gruesome it is; the reality of suicide, the reality of killing yourself. It's not a romanticism of suicide; its the reality of suicide.
Anfernee Alviar I totally agree. I can understand how people can think that it is unnecessary because of the 'tutorial' idea and the fact that it isn't sugar coated. I think that the fact that they put it in there made it so much more real for me, and made me think more about suicide not anymore as almost like a thing...but as a harsh reality.
I personally don't feel like this show romanticises or glorifies suicide. Yes the scene was brutal and horrible to watch but that was the point. I've personally been struggling with anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts for a long time now, and that scene made me really shy away from suicide as being an option, and that also made me think that I didn't want to end up like that. And it's actually made me get the proper help I needed. Don't get me wrong I understand where the criticism is coming from, but it's important to show these things. And to the younger people watching it, the series is under "Adult" on Netflix so I also feel like it's the viewers responsibility. To the people reading this that may be depressed or suicidal, it's okay to not be okay, and you are NOT weak for getting help, and I believe in you! Stay strong!
I was so mad when the girl said she didnt think she executed it well.Alot of those things have happened to me and I felt the exact same as Hannah did in the show,and the suicide I think was so real it shows what happens and could keep people from doing it like when Hannahs mom came in it shows how people could react and could help people to not do it.I think it was great it was graphic very but its true I mean people show notice this issue.
Schwifty Mcgwifty what exactly do you mean by she “victimizes” herself? Because if I remember correctly she was sexually assaulted and bullied. I don’t see how any of that could have been her fault. I don’t mean to be rude or anything but I just think that the part about her victimizing herself was a little bit unnecessary
"Watching that scene really disturbed me" Exactly. That was the point. To show how much suffering a person has to go through that they would put themselves through that and that it's not just a thing for attention or whatever and it's not this beautiful story, it's real and it's awful, and there needs to be more people talking about it and working to prevent it. This is important.
Kaitlynn Marie Thank you. That's my point exactly. The scene was put in to ignite some type of emotion of it you. Even if it's sadness, anger, fear, surprise, or etc. Social imagination is real. People can't think themselves out their own personal problems to see the public issues. Think of all the parents who had children actually commit suicide and had to walk in and find their children like that. I would have a problem if the scene was easy to watch.
If someone was able to watch the scene where she committed suicide and think, "Yeah, this is for me. I'm gonna go do that," they were already past the point of no return whether they watched the series or not. Was one of the most graphic things I've ever seen. It was very powerful.
+charley15z the way I took it is that I thought this show would maybe teach people that it takes more than just words or teasing or whatever small thing insensitive people think causes suicide these days. There's a buildup, a series of events
I think what she ment is that all the characters feel so distant, everything is very stereotypical so thats why maybe she couldnt relate to any of them.
For me this show isn't for the suicidal people, it's for the bullies It shows them the consequences of their actions and how much they can damage a person The suicide scene is such an important part of the show because it's so sad, and gross. I seriously got nauseous watching it. It shows to the people who have suicidal thoughts that killing yourself is sad and lonely and painful. It even shows the damage you can cause to your family by doing it.
As someone who's suicidal, I know it is helping some suicidal people tho. It feels like we are finally understood and its amazing how schools are now talking about it. Also, the suicide scene made it (in my view) seem to be really horrific, which makes us think again if we really wanna go through all of that. I think its for both the bullies ánd the suicidal, but not to forget also for the parents.
If you are a teen struggling with suicidal thoughts for any reason, please don't give up. There is hope. Nothing lasts forever... even pain. Mine didn't. I fought depression for many years, and i won. You can too. Keep fighting. Life is beautiful and totally worth it.
I just wished 13 reasons why looked more into mental illness rather than just specific pinpointed outside reasons. Like having depression, being bipolar, or anxiety is never discussed explicitly.
YESS. I totally felt that way when I was watching the show. I wondered why they lacked showing Hannah's mindset and how it shifted towards dark thoughts. That needs to be more shown
How does reading and seeing these tragic plays and shows romanticize suicide ?? It's literally just explaining what the show is about and what the characters in it decided to do. The reason it's so popular is because it's realistic and it's not all happy endings.
this show didnt glamorize or glorify anything. it was raw and the truth. the suicide scene needed to be shown. it was showing that suicide isnt quick, beautiful, and painless. it is very hard and very painful and it isnt solving anything. the part where her parents come into the bathroom also didnt glorify suicide. it showed how it effects others after your gone.
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Haven't you guys noticed how when Clay imagines how everything happened with Hannah that everything is bright but when it goes back to present day, then it's dark and gloomy like his life his dull without her.
rodeogirl3000 Hannah was Clay's sun
rodeogirl3000 yeah, it's one of the great things about this show
Yess I was wondering if anyone else noticed 😂
yeah and sometimes i can’t tell what time this is so i just know by the filter or whatever
I thought it was just me.
"You're being a clay rn, just listen to the tapes"😂😂😂
Why are there no replies to this comment after 3 years
We have the same name!
Clay is a dag.
@@mszs3913 dag?
@@gewritez yeah, as in silly/goofy.
I'm still healing from Jeff's death
Naila LaFrance same
Whose Jeff
@@sealain guy who died in car accident. he treated clay very well and gave advices
Naila L. Who’s Jeff?
Ohhhh Jeff
The suicide scene is so graphic so that people realize how painful it is
Period
Graphically showing suicide is actually dangerous for people with suicidal thoughts
@@mason3461 People with suicidal thoughts aren't supposed to watch 13 Reasons Why
Gamer Girl
Yeah or else things can get bad
@@vinylpetals8429 do you think that's gonna stop them, GTA v is rated M but there are 6 year olds on that all the time
"UGH, Bryce. UGHH, Courtney don't get me started."
SAME
YAS
“MMMM”
LITERY
@@vcnitas Courtney didn’t have many parts tbh!
@@vcnitas Yas?
Is it just me or did Bryce literally start her pain and bullying?
Shayla Miller MHM YES HE DID
Shayla Miller I know!!! If Bryce hadn't gotten Justin's phone then it probably wouldn't have started.
EVERYTHING IS BRYCES FAULT
Yes. He did.
@@Thatb-yk8cw and justin!
honestly, it didn't portray women as weak. In the show, Alex was also going down that path too. It's not about which gender is weaker. It's about how we should all support and love each other regardless of who or what we are.
I mean doesn't Romeo and Juliet romanticize suicide? Yet we spend endless classes in high schools across the country studying the play
Ryan C wow, this comment is everything. 👏👏👏
Yes I completely agree!
That was based on fiction and it's 100s of years ago. This show affects us today. Not a good show for young people or anyone in general
We just finished Romeo and Juliet right now
That said there’s a decent amount of stuff pointing to Romeo and Juliet Bering a comedy. Making fun of young love
The point people miss about this show, is not Hannah's death - it's Alex's suicide. Just as in life, if you spend all your time paying attention to the obvious, the loudest, the shiniest, you miss the signs that are right in front of you, anyone who was surprised by Alex's suicide, was not paying attention to very obvious signs. This is a lesson for life, you need to truly see the people around you, what they are telling you when you are too busy living.
!!!! this
Wait what? He suicides?
@@emilyb1007 at the end of season 1, you figure out that he shoots himself in the head. but he survived and is in the other seasons
@@emilyb1007 he survives
EXACTLY.
i felt the suicide scene was important. and it was disturbing but what really affected me was when her parents found her. the effect on them was what had me in tears. That's what hit me most was the thought of loved ones discovering someone who had commited suicide.
Megara Noble omg yesss😭😭 that part made me cry so muchhhh because the parents where convincing themselves that she was gonna be fine but they knew deeeep inside that she wasn't gonna be ok and that part made me cry😭
yes but they shouldve minimized the gore a little bit and thought about the effects on the people theyre trying to "help".
@@e.m.rivera8948 without the gore it wouldve been romanticizing too much
There are two types of people when watching 13 Reasons Why:
Most People: All in one night
Clay: Very slowly
I'm a clay.
I’m a clay
Sammeeeee
Im most people
I'm a Clay too
I finished three shows in one day once
Those therapists are kind of right in terms of the romanticizing suicide, but the suicide scene was so graphic that it horrified me and deterred me from any suicidal thoughts since hell, she looked like she was in so much pain. If they put a mild version of that scene, people would've been like "Oh, suicide is easy peasy."
Lulaye OG and the parents reaction..
the suicide scene made an impact, made everything more real
Its Arii right? Then they removed it ffs
Yes except for the fact that it's been scientifically proven that showing scenes of suicide and s*** like that, can make somebody commit suicide
Voodoo Bear true. I think the issue with these shows, is that it spreads awareness to people who don’t know much about stuff like that. However it also can make people more depressed and make them dwell in their sadness
Its Arii th-cam.com/video/Clqc-KkogPg/w-d-xo.html 🤬🤬🤬
I mean, it was real from the beginning
Clay: *Breathes*
Tony: "Just listen to the tapes"
tony: breathes
clay: WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME
Bryce : Breathes
Everyone: 'CAN YOU NOT'
I think the suicide scene was nessesary because it clearly stated that suicide is painful
And how the parents felt
She died there alone and in pain😭😭
As somebody who has struggled with self harm and suicide (I’ve never seen the scene because I would probably have a panic attack), those kinds of things may help some people, or gain empathy from the general public, but they hurt most suicidal people. Artistically speaking it’s great, and it does show pain, but it doesn’t mean that will stop everybody from committing. Suicide is a final option, a moment of physical pain to relieve all of the mental pain. The scene does more bad than good in my opinion.
@@sonammalkhede2791 ‘Everyone dies alone’ Moral truth!
"it was showing that women are weak", ALEX TRIED TO SUICIDE TOO, WTF.
tdashi96 True but I see what she means
Exactly
and clay too
I’m glad Alex didn’t die tho. He deserves to live
And clay and Justin struggled too
Can we have an elders react to 13 reasons why? I really wanna see their point of view of this dilemma.
AverageJo yaaas
parents would be more interesting!!!
Yeah that would be really interesting
Second this
I would like adults more but yeah... some older people's perspective please
coming from someone who has struggled with depression and suicide, this was a very accurate portrayal. everything Hannah felt, I felt once. I was fortunate to have someone stop me in time.
and the ones who are saying that it romanticizes suicide or revenge, or blaming everyone else, or that she was dramatic, seeking attention, etc... they only say that because they don't understand. they've never been suicidal themselves and they may not realize that they are in the same mindset as the bullies. this is something that needs to be addressed. people need to understand, those who suffer with this are not stable. they are sick and need help and they do not see things as a stable, rational person would.
And no, it doesn't show how to avoid suicide, that was not the point. the point was to accurately portray how someone struggling with depression thinks and feels. this was about how what everyone did affected her and worsened her sickness until she became suicidal. Your words and actions affect others more than you know, and we all need to realize this.
caitlin venable im glad you overcomed it
CybertronianMedic 101010 thank you, I am too. but I could not have done it on my own. A girl I barely knew had decided to try and befriend me and just happened to decide to check on me at just the right moment. she stopped me, held me for a while as I cried, listened to everything I had to say, and got me to a doctor. she has been the best friend anyone could ask for and I would not be here without her.
CybertronianMedic 101010 and you should never minimize your own pain. everyone has a legitimate reason for feeling as they do, it's never stupid.
caitlin venable thank you :)
"I was very disturbed by that scene." You are supposed to be disturbed by it. It is not meant to make you feel any other way except absolutely disgusted and mortified, because that is how suicide actually affects people.
I'm sorry but to the girl who said the issues in this show were poorly portrayed and it was extremely brutal, do you not think the things that Hannah Baker has gone through are brutal? She was sexually assaulted on multiple occasions, bullied, abandoned -even when she cried out for help and then she ended her own life. Those things are brutal. That kind of mindset is what makes people think it glorifies suicide. The suicide scene is necessary, it is supposed to be brutal, because suicide is a brutal thing. Showing it any other way would have been romanticizingnit. I definitely agree that you need to be in the right mindset to watch this, but you also need to realize they made this show because the topics discussed are things that happen everyday and are things that are brutal and awful. Most TV shows probably would have left the suicide scene out or even showed it to be less graphic, and that's part of the problem.
THANK YOU.
Exactly! I feel like the suicide scene was so real and it was necessary. And I really appreciate they showing that eventhough they knew that it would be very controversial. I just dont understand people who said that this show is not true to reality and Hannah is a drama queen. Like imagine being 17 and is sexually assaulted by someone, you would be feeling the exact same way Hannah and Jess did. The important thing is that you remember to seek for help and try to avoid suicidal ideation
Yeah agree
EXACTLY!!!! That girl obviously lived a very sheltered life
parents reacting to 13 reasons why. please
13 reasons why they divorced
@@freshgags7702 Lmfao
"YASSS Clay, YASSS Hannah, Go away Justin." SAME GURL
FXCKINGSTYLIK I mean I don't blame Justin he did show the photo but Bryce posted the photo and Justin couldn't do anything
Man Justin is my favorite, don't s*** on Justin
@@nuggyg7562 same he's my favourite rn but I didn't really like him in season 1
biggest development ever
Okay I'm getting real pissed at the people saying the suicide scene is "too disturbing" like that's the point !!!!!!!!! So you can see that it's awful and painful and not beautiful in anyway. It's the opposite of romanticizing suicide which is what most kids see on social media all the time.
You're right but it can also have the opposite effect on some people
Yeah same
They literally give you a warning before watching the show I don’t see the problem
@@fanpagescorner7502 a lot of people said when they first watched the show there wasn't a waring on it. I think they added it after the suici*de scene, but I don't know what episode because I don't have Netflix. I've been watching reaction videos on TH-cam.
The suicide scene showed complete vulnerability and brokenness. I think it was necessary for it to be shown- she got hurt by so many people, but at the end she hurt herself. It showed the way her parents reacted to it, it showed the entire gory way that some teens feel that they have to go out.
The suicide scene is SO necessary. The way Katherine Langford played that scene was absolutely stunning. You could see right through her, see the fear, and it showed how deeply hurt Hannah was at that point. The whole show shows us how easy it is to miss all the signs. The end scenes make it real and creates an impact on the audience, which really is what the whole show is about....
“Stunning” is a poor choice of words. Especially when associated with suicide. But yes I agree she did a splendid job portraying the role of a hurt young woman.
The suicide scene's purpose is to be hard to watch. Glamorizing suicide would be making suicide seem less horrific than it is. This show does the complete opposite by showing the effect it has on Hannah's loved ones
Eclipse I totally agree with you, by showing the rawness of it.
You know what you are right, but also it has the opposite effect on some people.
Exactly
this is micky mouse clubhouse
People don't realize that this show isn't aimed at the Hannahs' of the world, it's aimed at the Clays'.
Gemma Marie I meant it as more preventative, like "know the signs"
Yes but children play m rated games all the time, they're not just going to not do it if they're not supposed to
Both
SO HAPPY I went to high school RIGHT BEFORE smart phones. Nobody could afford spending their phone minutes on sending texts or making calls. The only social media was xanga and it wasn't mobile friendly. Life was just... easy. You only texted in emergencies. You had to see people or call after 8 pm for free. Lol man.
lol i wonder how it was back then i would like see how it was without people on their phones 24/7
the book version was set in the late 80s-90s. the original tapes were cassettes and no one had phones. the same things still happened and affected hannah in the same way, so technology is not all to blame
Ashley M oh it was great! It made you miss people and actually have conversations to get to know people. I consider myself lucky.
jacque5006 oh I get that, I just mean that currently in our day and age, technology makes bullying much much easier. Just a general observation in terms of the show.
I think that Parents React should watch the trailer because I really think that it would be important to see a parent's perspective on suicide. Please see this comment and please like if you agree
Yeah thats actually a great idea
Meryem Hakkaoui ill be waiting for this episode
This show is basically the longer version of the movie Unfriended
i agree. esp since all the adults in the show seemed really unaware and i think that is true irl
The saddest thing is that it took a TV show to get people to start thinking about this.
ikr
Barry Allen because only this way most ppl that don't go through things like that, can see how terrible that is.
I don't understand why the negativity come from for this show? THIS SHOW is not intended for people who are thinking about suicide this is for PEOPLE to help out those WHO NEED HELP to see the signs and try to prevent a tragedy and most importantly the effects your words can cause to another person you might think is nothing but there are people who have a very soft skin and is too much when you attack them with words
XsinisterX616 i totally agree. not every show is for every person. just like how a love story is probably not what someone who recently was dumped shpupd watch, this show is probably not what a depressed person should watch.
Toddlers play m rated games all the time people ain't just going to not do it because there are not supposed to
it’s difficult bc when someone’s feeling suicidal this is exactly the type of thing that they’re drawn too. like, when i saw it for the first time i was Not doing well and the warning just drew me closer in. i get that for a lot of people it scared them but all i could see was the release, and that in the end hannah won. that was kind of the issue, at least in my life. the fact that it hurt and was bloody and shit didn’t matter bc self harm, and the look in her eyes and the fact that everyone regret their actions was appealing. i just wish the show had been more careful with showing it. it’s an important conversation, but the way that things were done really just pushed me further down a nasty route. idk, i think i’m too close to the issue to really have an impartial opinion though, it was really powerful for some people. who knows
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Exactly. It literally shows how negatively it affected people. It did the opposite of glamorizing
Girl: everyone on this show is so one dimensional
*next scene*
Clay: *shows an aggressively angry side of him that we've never seen*
no way that girl actually watched it with an open mindset at all
I don't understand why people say this is making people comtemplating suicide rather than to see the after effect of suicide as how it affects your loved ones emotional states.
You're right it does show how it affects your loved ones,what are also shows suicide is a way of saying f*** you to the bullies, that's how it romanticizes suicide.
I will admit that before watching it I didn't have any interest bc I left like it was just gonna be another "oh this is a show about how bullying is bad" but after watching it, I realized it was actually a lot deeper than that. The show showed how bullying just one person can effect everyone around, not just the victim, it effected everyone, to the girls family, to her school to even the bullies themselves, and that's why I like it bc I've never seen any show go so deep on this matter.
The actor who plays Bryce is actually a really nice guy in real life.
The Elemental Penguin chill omg
he is a good guy apple doesn't allow bad guys in shows to use their phone
I don't think I'm ever gonna see that face in a good way now lol
Bignut6969 gee I’d hope
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"You are being a Clay right now. Just listen to the tapes." YESSS SO TRUE
Completely agree with the one kid: without showing the suicide scene and without showing the brutal aftermath with her parents finding her body it wouldn't of been as powerful and horrifying as it was. That scene cemented the truth of what suicide is: more pain.
so true! a topic like this needs a shock factor!
I agree I think it was important to add the scene
"Your being a clay right now just listen to the tapes "- most iconic line
You're* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The shaved head asian looking guy is the most woke one. The show is disturbing and sad and put me in a weird funk the entire week I was watching, but u get over that feeling once its done and the lessons that stay with you are worth it. Also, I agree the suicide scene was disturbing but it had to be! Because the whole show did romanticize suicide and a lot of teens do too because they're dramatic that way. But seeing the actual act in all its gore needed to disturb teens enough that they wouldn't try it. That way they'll think twice when that moment comes of extreme emotion, drama, and romanticism of thinking yay finally when im gone ppl will realize how fucked up they were to me and how sad I was.
No comments on a post 4 years old but i completely agree
@@shivampokar Woah thanks for commenting. I didnt even know this comment had 1.4k likes. So weird reading something I wrote 4 years ago.
@@sabrinavirk702 im just surprised youre still active and replied to my comment this early. Anyway it is always nice to see people stanning for 13rw i mean i do but now a days you cant find a lot of stans which is kinda sad .13rw Fandom has gone to shit. 13rw is just true beauty. I also especially stan for Katherine Langford 😌
"If you are not in the right age, if you're not in the right point in your life, if you're not in the right mindset, then it's gonna instill the wrong things in you and it's going to lead down into a darker path. But if you're in the right mindset, if you're looking at it from a good healthy perspective then it has really good lesson." ~ Eric
I totally agree with his opinions.
Broken Messiah I agree with it but majority of the audience has also not experienced mental illnesses like that before and can't understand why someone could just simply cut their lives short because of high school.
The show was brought to 13 episodes, but there will be a second season. So, the story is not over yet.
i personally struggle with anxiety and depression and i watched the whole season. i could relate to hannah in many ways. even the smallest things said or done could cause major problems, because people don't realise that every person is in a different mental health state and handles that differently. me personally when i have only the smallest fights with people i care about i break down completely.
people need to understand that a mental illness is as serious as a physical illness
thisistessa, preach
I actually have anxiety and i had trouble with the season, i watched very slowly because it made me very anxious, but i never thought that i wanted to do that. I just realise about the problems of her and y feel bad about her and i feel bad about his parents and about me... But it helped me a lot, i don't really know how, but it helped me to continue my life instead of ending it. I don't think the suicide part surplus and i don't think the series should not be seen by "children" because i'm a girl and it helped more than anyone c: ((Sorry for the bad english i speak spanish hasbh))
It's possible to skip certain scenes, to be honest. If you truly think you're not able to handle it, skip it.
no one's going to skip the scene okay and plus it doesn't matter if you skip it or not the fact that they put it in he's still a problem because that drives people to suicide, and suicide is bad
We need parents react to this
Lika I AGREE
Lika YES
That is a masterly idea, good thought! :O
"Your being a Clay, just watch all the episodes." That was really good.
The death scene wasn't supposed to be entertaining.. It's supposed to be very uncomfortable and intense and hard to watch because that's what it is. They wanted to accurately show what it's like so that it can continue in your mind as something very uncomfortable. I believe it achieved that and people are being dramatic. The show was portrayed pretty accurately to the book and this addition to it, really sealed the deal and hopefully people are more aware of this issue.
One of the therapeutic guidelines to dealing with suicide is to not reveal how the person committed suicide. This comes straight from psychologists. The show violates all 7 guidelines of dealing with suicide.
I really wish you guys had someone on the show who has been directly effect by depression and suicide.
When you have severe clinical depression, your mind doesn't work the same way other people's do. You see the world through a lense that's been narrowed and distorted. This show does have a purpose but the message of mental illness is not portrayed in a way that effectively explains what having depression is like. This show takes depression and demonizes it, making it a tool for revenge rather than an uncontroable disease that constantly eats away at your brain until you've reached the point of hopelessness. Depression effects people all in different ways but this show is not an accurate representation of how DEPRESSION brings teens to suicide. Yes it touches on serious issues that need to be addressed like sexual harrasment and bullying and yes it makes people more aware but someone with depression watching this show will be affected in a way that a mentally health person can almost never understand.
On another note, even though these people in her life have effected her and sent her further into depression, this does not give her the right to blame her suicide on them. Blaming your depression or suicide on another human being is the cruelest thing you could ever do. Sufferers of depression should not be told or shown in anyway that "it's okay to blame what you're going through on someone else." Depression is a disease and yes none of them helped and yes they did things that pushed her closer to suicide but making tapes to blame and chastise them is curel. Giving the impression that this is the right way to handle this is wrong. No adult nor child should ever have to hold the guilt that they are the reason that someone lost their will to live. That is not how depression works. This television show as well as book had great intentions and, as always when you speak up about a controversial topic, will be critisized. I commend the author and all those involved in the show for standing up on such contreversial topics.
This comment does not receive enough attention 😭 This is exactly why Thirteen Reasons Why is a terrible show for portraying depression.
Ricardo, yes that CAN be the case but it is not always the case.
When someone sees that they can menipulate another person with their mental illness by guilting them into doing thing because they were the cause of their suicidal thoughts, that has gone too far. I personally have experienced that on a high scale. My father committed suicide and my ex boyfriend attempted suicide and blamed me when I did nothing to hurt either of them. I too had a form of depression after the death of my father. I know what it feels like to be on both sides. It's not fair. No one deserves it. My point is, this show uses suicide as a menipulate tool which is not okay.
I acknowledge your opinion and repectfully disagree.
Alexis Beetz Thank you so much for saying this!
"Yes, because that's how breakups work!" 😂
I liked that they showed all the really graphic scenes because it shows them the reality and the horrors of what actually happens. If you can't handle it thats why there is disclaimers before the graphic episodes.
The suicide scene showed how real it is and how bad it hurts and how low you have to get to be there. They needed that to show you that you can't just treat people terribly and nothing will happen. It made the show. It shoved it in your face that this is real and it needs to stop. This show was great and I think it was done greatly and i'm happy that people finally spoke up about this issue.
excuse me, I think the suicide scene and how intense it was is very important and I'm glad they didn't cut it any short of what they had. they tried to make it as painful to watch as possible so that people wouldn't get the wrong idea.
To me it looked simple.
Like she did it and then it was just over.
It was both incredibly triggering and gives kids the idea that slitting your wrists is an easy way to go.
Bleeding to death lasts so much longer than the show portrayed.
I agree 100 percent it's not the way to convey this message to me it glorifies suicide be very carful letting anyone under 14 watch this.
I don't think many people watched the 14th episode on netflix where all the producers explained why they did certian scenes. It makes everything make more scenes. you should all go watch it now.
The thing about 13 Reasons Why is that no matter how stupid or awfully played out you thought it was it got you paying more attention to what was happening to the people around you, it got you talking about it. It got your teachers talking about suicide and it got parents talking about it. Even if you hated the show it was about suicide, which isn't talked about enough, and it got you to pay attention.
Quinn McNeill PREACH
Quinn McNeill this needs to be the top comment!!!
Bruh that was deep and true this need to talked about so people can know
I think the problem with this show is that people dont get this isnt for the hannah's out there to watch, it's for the courtneys, the clays, the justins etc, that's why it's so raw and real, to show the very real consequences of what you might think an inoffensive action can have
lucysp15 exactly!!!
Yes!! I 100% agree.
this is true actually.
*People act like 13 Reasons was supposed to be a documentary.*
"he broke up with me on his own?!" "Yes that's how break ups work!"
This entire show in my opinion is a wake up call to everybody. From teachers to parents to popular people to depressed people. The show accurately represents how this stuff escalates and for the gory suicide scene, it serves as a reality check, to show you that taking your own life is serious and painful not only for you but for all those around you. Idk about y'all but it's heartbreaking to see Hannah's mom and dad walk into that bathroom seeing her lifeless body in the tub. I have personally had some depression throughout my life and I must say after watching this show and ESPECIALLY the suicide scene, never would I think of committing suicide.
" YES because that's how breakups work ." That's exactly what I said
Saying the characters are one dimensional is just false, every character in the show has multiple sides and that's why the show is so good.
AN M your opinion is your opinion bud. And I didn't even notice hannah was wearing a wig lmao if she even was
i actually dont understand how people just see Hannah's story or Hannah's death. The show was a story of everyone, about people's interaction relationship in general. i know that whole story is to raise awareness of suicide in general, but it showed that everyone had their own struggles as well (except Bryce). That is what makes it RELATABLE, not only Hannah's experience.
Hazel M I agree and well said btw
Do people not understand the suicide scene? It's meant to make you uncomfortable, it's meant to make you throw up, it's meant to make you cry, it's meant to make it feel real, feel the urgency of the subject matter.
true tho clay did imagine that
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"Your being a clay right now just listen to the tapes"
I was bullied and I tried to committee suicide as did my sister. This show is extremely moving to us both because it shows that power of what people go through. The suicide Scene was the most powerful because it actually showed everything that happens and it's purpose is to show a message and to tel people what bullying does. The show does not "romantic" suicide it shows that effects of bullying and that all these "Little things" add up to someone ending their life.
Shelby Burns I disagree. the things that happened didn't cause her suicide. Even after a bunch of bad stuff happens to u know matter how messed up your life is you still have a choice. You have a CHOICE to continue. nobody's actions will make you end your own life. only you can do that. that's what this show ignored to acknowledge .
@@nswspam329 yeh but people push you to that point of I have no other way out people have made it impossible to live normally and how I want
That suicide scene was absolutely necessary. People who don't understand what someone is going through need to see that they need to see the struggle someone goes through and the possible outcome of what their harsh words and actions can't effect someone. I've never been to that point but that last episode hurt me to the core I was a snotty mess
alleycat307 agreed. we can't sugar coat suicide, and them showing it was a step towards understanding suicide. yes it was graphic. yes it was gross. yes it was scary. but suicide is all that. we CANNOT hide suicide. we need to tackle it head on and stop people from killing themselves. and if that is through 13 reasons why as a first step. then I applaud.
But it's incredibly triggering for people with mental health issues - it can, in fact, lead to even more suicides. I agree that we need to make people understand how their words affect people, but not in a way that can lead to more people killing themselves.
"Risk of additional suicides increases when the story explicitly describes the suicide method, uses dramatic/graphic headlines or images and repeated/extensive coverage sensationalizes or glamorizes a death." - American Foundation for Suicide Prevention
I mean if it's triggering for you don't watch it? Other than that I agree with the people above the suicide scene was necessary
"This is a very negative portrayal of these issues"...
Yes... 100% agree. Such a happy, lighthearted topic such as the concept of SUICIDE cannot be treated as upsetting, uncomfortable and brutally REAL they make it feel on the show.
Noa Jablonski i would not lebt any kids under 15 or 16 watch it 🙌🏻
Wow. You understand that they meant it wasn't a healthy way to look at suicide right? Physiologists, people with PhD's that know what they are talking about, are saying the same things. This romanticizes suicide, not only that suicide happens mostly for people with issues beyond their control high amount of cases being clinical depression and the like. Sarah had none of that, she was just a kid that made terrible choice after terrible choice then got her rocks off blaming everyone else's in some sort of revenge plot. If you think this is real you really need to do some research.
She's stupid her comments pissed me off same with the girl that said " I don't recommend you watch it" those two are idiots.
it didint romanticize suicide and a few people are saying that about the show.
I totally get your point!
Positive portrayal would be glorifying it and wouldn't be the truth
Finally there comes a show which does not bullshit about serious matters, addresses them as they are, and tries to bring awareness. And everyone's freaking out because issues aren't meant to be highlighted?! are you kidding me?
Siri Raasi no everyone is freaking out because they did it in a stupid way
+supBRO! Stupid in what way?
supBRO! that was REAL. that is how it happens. Maybe they didn't do a good job with how the story unfolds but that's real for all the people considering suicide because they see no way out. It is supposed to bring you to the reality and bring you out of the misunderstanding and suicide is not a way out. there hasn't been a single show with guts to talk about issues like these and finally there's an effort a show is making and all people do is criticize. honestly, if you think that's stupid, you are really fortunate to be experiencing life of a fairytale.
There is nothing controversial about this series, its just real and people can't handle that.
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i agree with Eric so much. her suicide scene made me feel so sick and that's not romanticising it, it's bringing it to life and putting it all out in the open
Jess Raven it glorifies suicide because sometimes people can become suicidal for reasons unrelated to others and it invalidates their issues and the guy had a "if only I had loved her" attitude as though that would have saved her when in reality suicide is much more complicated
Maybe it doesn't glorify suicide if you're not suicidal but shows like this are supposed to show depressed people "hey people can relate to you and you're not alone you can find help" but all 13 reasons why does is glorify revenge suicide
It doesn't glorify suicide, glorifying suicide would be like "YAY HANNAH COMMITED SUICIDE ITS ALL HAPPY AGAIN AND SHE'S NOT DEPRESSED". The show shows how suicide could affect others in negative ways and how suicide could pass the pain on and why kids commit suicide.
Honestly I did think the suicide scene was necessary, or at least the part where her body is found, because that scene broke me. Her parents reactions are very heartbreaking so like.. ye i thought it shoulda been in there.
same...I know I could never do that to my parents now and I'm so glad it was there!
Cameron Richards Like the dude said (11:25 - 11:40) it shows how brutal it is. How it effects everyone especially your family, the ones who love you the most.
I have a friend who has been diagnosed with depression and he has had suicidal thoughts before. He had a hard time watching the suicide scene in 13 Reasons Why and explained how it made him not want to commit suicide.
People saying the show is stupid:
1) It shows true issues that people like to avoid but happens in real life
2) It COULD help people in that situation, make them feel how great life is...
3) The show helps people come to terms with loss of somebody..
P.S I only wanted to say this because my sister committed suicide and I never really knew why it made me see her perspective, I just wanted to say my opinion because this show has effected me personally! I believe it's important to watch this show! xx
This show is stupid because it doesn't discuss the deeper issue, which is mental illness.
Exactly. at the end of the season Clay says love could have saved her from suicide, but love is not the only reason. A person who commits suicide has mental issues that do not get solved with love and friendship. They need professional help.
I disagree with you.
This show is far from being stupid, it is full of powerfull messages. It's about loving life, being good to people, caring after one another and showing suicide is never an answer because there are always people that care about you.
Have you even watched the entire show or are you just writing something you read somewhere ?
The show does not mention mental illness. It protrays it without needing to say it. It shows how a person can little by little fall into depression without anyone around noticing.
It sends a very important message about how profound suffering is sometimes invisible to others. It is about caring more about one another and be aware of signs that someone is suffering and needs help.
Honestly, how could they say that the suicide scene wasn't necessary? It portrayed brutality and realness- it was raw. And just like Eric, I also nearly threw up watching it. The show would have been lost without this climax- and the fact that the camera didn't shy away from these issues shows bravery. I couldn't agree with Eric more. I would recommend this show to anybody.
Natasha Taylor-Olive i wouldn't recommend it to anyone with suicidal thoughts or a mental illness. the suicide scene literally looked like a how-to guide
Natasha Taylor-Olive To anybody? Even to those who think about suicide? What you're trying to do? Give them a little push?
Natasha Taylor-Olive you're not supposed show impressionable teenagers how to slit their wrists!!
It didn't show them anything, they already know how too!!! It's addressing
The amount of people saying, "13 Reasons Why taught me to be nicer to people." You needed a TV show... to teach you that??
CALcasts exactly my point
CALcasts so true
CALcasts unfortunately there's people like that
CALcasts I was all 🙄
People needed the show to teach them what could happen if we aren't nicer to people.
I don't understand how you could think that the suicide scene wasn't necessary, it was completely necessary, and it was shown in such a graphic way to make people realise how horrible and brutal it is in real life. It's not romanticising suicide at all, it's raw such a real representation of what suicide is and what it does to not only the person but the people they care about
i want another columbine too
Latest Obsession I looked away anyway.
Latest Obsession i know i mean people wanna look wanna from it but thats what parents are doing to us kids. they yearn us away from these things even though they happened and still happen
While the producers didn't mean to glamorize suicide, there are depressed kids who will watch it and glamorize it themselves. Suicide is really tricky to portray correctly in media.
I dont think this show romanticized suicide at all. Nothing about this show made it seem appealing. It was all so lonely, and it showed the effects it had on others like your parents. I also think the suicide scene was very important. Not a tutorial, but more like, suicide isnt pretty. It will never be pretty. This is how some people choose to go out, and its not good. It hurts and theres no going back once its done. Its gruesome. The fact that it is so graphic is important. People need to feel the disgust or the sickness from watching it. People need to understand that its not a good way to go. The show definitely doesnt really show how much someone could find help, but at the same time, that makes it more realistic because teenagers have such a hard time asking for help with anything. They dont want to be bullied more or told that theyre being dramatic, which hannah talks about in the tapes. Because they dont want to talk about it, they subtly look for help, but they cant seem to get it because they arent saying it flat out. I cann see why this show is very controversial, but i really think it is important for people to watch this and look at a new view. So many people dont understand that these things are happening every day and we just dont see it.
Lily Purcella And if you want a show that romantizes suicide think about the first season of American horror story or even suicide squad
..... um.. im not sure how to respond to that...
I wasnt saying that this was a great show for people with depression, i forgot to mention that. I think this is a great show for other people who dont get talked to about this stuff to realize that they may not know what they are saying could hurt people or that what they do could have a bigger impact than they meant it too. I think this show blows into a bigger per-portion to those who think suicide and depression is a joke. Like i said i get why this show is controversial. it could have a bad effect on those with depression. I just forgot to mention that in my comment.
The suicide scene is showing people the truth of what suicide is. It's meant to shock you and disturb you, it's meant to feel like a slap in the face. Most of the time it's what is needed to get through to people.
Amy :P but its like the complete opposite of wat anti-suicide websites say not to do lol
+MAN BILL well the show isn't meant for suicidal people to watch imo, its for others so we can learn about it, it's truth, and help prevent it.
thats like saying This show is for adults and not meant for kids to watch, even though we all know kids watch this
Seems to me that the show did exactly what it set out to do. Whether or not the show was good or bad, there is a lot more discussion about teen suicide and bullying now. That alone makes the show a success in my eyes.
They actually did everything Suicide Prevention Professionals told them NOT to do, especially actually showing the scene where Hannah kills herself.
My point is that regardless of the message the show sent, more discussions are happening.
Dan Vidro exactly
Parents react to 13 reasons why
We al know the teens thought about it, I want to know the parents thoughts
Kote Solis Cabrera yeah parents or even elders
Yess
Kote Solis Cabrera they should do this over, the girls except reina were horrible.
Yes please~! Both adults and elders reacting to it would be pretty interesting tbh.
As a mom, this tore me apart. I cried, I was angry, I was sad. I love this show. This also took me back to high school. High School was brutal!
Hs for me is pretty easy , not sure how it was brutal
How were any of these characters one dimensional? Did we watch the same show?
"It's not very relatable" Sorry, where did you go to school?! Why couldn't I have gone there?!
I watched the series and a week later, I was admitted to a metal health treatment hospital. This opinion is coming from someone who was hospitalized because of depression and wanting to commit suicide. This series honestly might have saved my life. Seeing Hannah's suicide scene and the goriness of it scared me out of it. If the producers would have made it easy and painless with an overdose, I might have actually gone through with overdosing myself. That scene is necessary. It shows the realness of it. It shows how painful and traumatic it can be. I can see the psychologist's side of it as well, but personal, I believe the show can help someone contemplating suicide. It also made me realize the scary aftermath. If Hannah wouldn't have gone through with it, she could've been happy with Clay and could've seen that some people actually cared about her and would help her through anything. This show 100% helped me.
Briley Rutherford THANK YOU
Briley Rutherford Good. I'm happy you did that and I hope your happy to
you aren't smart enough to detach yourself, boohoo
+Oliver Hensby You have no idea what you're talking about.
M T
Explain then. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not just gonna take your word for it 😂
Everyone saying bad reviews about this series apparently didn't connect with the fact that all of the things in the show actually do happen, happen every day, really. So, everyone saying this is hard to watch, that was the point. The "romanticizing" of suicide that reviewers talk about? How could watching a girl who had been through unspeakable, horrific things slitting her own wrists in a bathtub with blood pouring out of her ever be romantic?
with all due respect towards your opinions and comment in mind, i think the 'romanticizing' critics talk about refers to the idea that some viewers are getting. this idea being that suicide will teach others a lesson, and therefore romanticizing the idea that killing yourself might teach a bunch of people a lesson, making it worth it. this, obviously, isn't the case, and that's why people think 13RW is romanticizing suicide and mental illness.
at least, that's what i'm getting from all the buzz. i, personally, have not watched the show, so i don't have an opinion to offer.
again, all due respect towards your opinions :)
Yeah, 13RW is one of the most accurate representations of real high school I've ever seen
Idk, but it's my kink
Just a side comment: the people saying that they were disturbed by the suicide scene ... that was the entire point of it.
The graphic suicide HAS to be done. It shows how gruesome it is; the reality of suicide, the reality of killing yourself. It's not a romanticism of suicide; its the reality of suicide.
Anfernee Alviar I totally agree. I can understand how people can think that it is unnecessary because of the 'tutorial' idea and the fact that it isn't sugar coated. I think that the fact that they put it in there made it so much more real for me, and made me think more about suicide not anymore as almost like a thing...but as a harsh reality.
Anfernee Alviar I completely agree with you
Except that it's one of the guidelines of dealing with suicide is to not reveal the method of suicide sooo
I personally don't feel like this show romanticises or glorifies suicide. Yes the scene was brutal and horrible to watch but that was the point. I've personally been struggling with anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts for a long time now, and that scene made me really shy away from suicide as being an option, and that also made me think that I didn't want to end up like that. And it's actually made me get the proper help I needed. Don't get me wrong I understand where the criticism is coming from, but it's important to show these things. And to the younger people watching it, the series is under "Adult" on Netflix so I also feel like it's the viewers responsibility. To the people reading this that may be depressed or suicidal, it's okay to not be okay, and you are NOT weak for getting help, and I believe in you! Stay strong!
Thought the suicide scene was good and i am glad they put it in. It was so uncomfortable to watch and that is a good thing.
Anna That makes two of us (anxiety, depression, and scuicide like thought):/
Anna You too!i don't even know you be well get through this together
I was so mad when the girl said she didnt think she executed it well.Alot of those things have happened to me and I felt the exact same as Hannah did in the show,and the suicide I think was so real it shows what happens and could keep people from doing it like when Hannahs mom came in it shows how people could react and could help people to not do it.I think it was great it was graphic very but its true I mean people show notice this issue.
right cause every sucidal kid makes tape to get revenge on those who bullied you. Totally realistic.
Did I say every suicidal kid makes a mix tape to get revenge is realistic,no I didnt.
Schwifty Mcgwifty what exactly do you mean by she “victimizes” herself? Because if I remember correctly she was sexually assaulted and bullied. I don’t see how any of that could have been her fault. I don’t mean to be rude or anything but I just think that the part about her victimizing herself was a little bit unnecessary
@@scottyboy3565 they said that they felt like Hannah bc they went through some of the things Hannah did .not the plot of the movie
"Watching that scene really disturbed me"
Exactly. That was the point.
To show how much suffering a person has to go through that they would put themselves through that and that it's not just a thing for attention or whatever and it's not this beautiful story, it's real and it's awful, and there needs to be more people talking about it and working to prevent it. This is important.
Kaitlynn Marie Thank you. That's my point exactly. The scene was put in to ignite some type of emotion of it you. Even if it's sadness, anger, fear, surprise, or etc. Social imagination is real. People can't think themselves out their own personal problems to see the public issues. Think of all the parents who had children actually commit suicide and had to walk in and find their children like that. I would have a problem if the scene was easy to watch.
I think parents need this show way more than we do
Vivienne Eliza exactly
Vivienne Eliza Yes that's what I was thinking while watching
If someone was able to watch the scene where she committed suicide and think, "Yeah, this is for me. I'm gonna go do that," they were already past the point of no return whether they watched the series or not. Was one of the most graphic things I've ever seen. It was very powerful.
GimmehMyMoney yeah
GimmehMyMoney
I skipped over it.
totally agree
GimmehMyMoney i couldn't watch that scene, it was too graphic and real for me.
I couldnt watch it at all
The point of the series was to ease awareness, to start THAT talk between kids and parents, and they did.
you know the world is fucked up when there's a need for tv series to tell you that bullying is wrong
Lord Harambe so true
+charley15z the way I took it is that I thought this show would maybe teach people that it takes more than just words or teasing or whatever small thing insensitive people think causes suicide these days. There's a buildup, a series of events
Lord Harambe u can fix this! Harambe ftw!
that chick who said it's not relatable, YOU'RE LUCKY THAT'S NOT RELATABLE!!
Emma Murphy EXACTLYYY
I think what she ment is that all the characters feel so distant, everything is very stereotypical so thats why maybe she couldnt relate to any of them.
For me this show isn't for the suicidal people, it's for the bullies
It shows them the consequences of their actions and how much they can damage a person
The suicide scene is such an important part of the show because it's so sad, and gross. I seriously got nauseous watching it.
It shows to the people who have suicidal thoughts that killing yourself is sad and lonely and painful. It even shows the damage you can cause to your family by doing it.
For the bullies. I think for parents and teachers too. Even some suicidal people could benefit from it but obviously know your limits
Running Planets its a show for everyone
I completely agree. The show's true purpose is in reminding people to treat others with respect and kindness, rather than helping suicidal teens heal.
As someone who's suicidal, I know it is helping some suicidal people tho. It feels like we are finally understood and its amazing how schools are now talking about it. Also, the suicide scene made it (in my view) seem to be really horrific, which makes us think again if we really wanna go through all of that. I think its for both the bullies ánd the suicidal, but not to forget also for the parents.
If you are a teen struggling with suicidal thoughts for any reason, please don't give up. There is hope. Nothing lasts forever... even pain. Mine didn't. I fought depression for many years, and i won. You can too. Keep fighting. Life is beautiful and totally worth it.
Stacy Stanton Even you are young adults..
I just wished 13 reasons why looked more into mental illness rather than just specific pinpointed outside reasons. Like having depression, being bipolar, or anxiety is never discussed explicitly.
True this
YESS. I totally felt that way when I was watching the show. I wondered why they lacked showing Hannah's mindset and how it shifted towards dark thoughts. That needs to be more shown
Does Romeo and Juliet romanticize suicide? Yet what are we required to read our freshman year of high school?
Da Man Big P. Because romeo and juliet is a very popular play written by shakespeare
Da Man Big P. THANK YOU OH MY GOD
This is exactly what I was thinking
In house freshman here, we don't read Romeo and Juliet.
How does reading and seeing these tragic plays and shows romanticize suicide ?? It's literally just explaining what the show is about and what the characters in it decided to do. The reason it's so popular is because it's realistic and it's not all happy endings.
this show didnt glamorize or glorify anything. it was raw and the truth. the suicide scene needed to be shown. it was showing that suicide isnt quick, beautiful, and painless. it is very hard and very painful and it isnt solving anything. the part where her parents come into the bathroom also didnt glorify suicide. it showed how it effects others after your gone.
My parents don't want me watching it because they say it praises suicide but I decided to watch it without them and I think the opposite