This is not a hate video 😭 *I am NOT saying g-idle felt jealous or sad about newjeans’ success in real life.* This is a story that I believe g-idle crafted for their album narrative very intentionally to go with the theme of their album ALSO I know NewJeans debuted with attention - I just meant that hype boy was *a part* of their debut
i love how g-idle, being an older group, was able to embrace the more mature aspects of the y2k concept. to me, new jeans feels like nostalgia from watching old vhs tapes at your grandma's house, looking through highschool yearbooks, a very sweet and innocent depiction of the era. queencard, on the other hand, feels like a crazy college party and i love it.
I don't really see Queencard as Idle's attempt to copy New Jeans. While it does play into the Y2K revival, I feel like it's more directly just 2000s chick flicks and serendipitously coincides with Barbie-core (pretty much being released at the peak of the Barbie movie hype too). The storyline and references are more camp than anything. The biggest giveaway that GIDLE isn't taking themselves that seriously with this comeback is just the choice of subject matter. Tomboy and Nude both had really poignant and assertive messages, while Queencard is a lot more laid back and silly (knowing your worth and less fuck the patriarchy). If GIDLE were really trying to copy NJ, then they would also try to wholly adopt the Y2K concept (and maybe go for more dreampop instead of upbeat); instead, they're continuing the elaborate storylines and deliberate messaging.
I agree! I didn’t intend to accuse IDLE of copying NewJeans, but rather suggest that the narrative of the I FEEL album intends for the push from Allergy to Queencard to be inspired by NewJeans in a meaningful way. That’s why I wanted to include Queencard in the title, and not (G)I-DLE Y2K was already experiencing a resurgence, NewJeans capitalized on it, and undoubtedly inspired a lot of the Y2K aesthetics we’ve seen in kpop since their debut In my opinion, and with Allergy’s lyrical tie-in to NewJeans, I think the I FEEL album was IDLE’s take on the Y2K trend but with a layer of complexity - rather than just trying the aesthetic out, they wanted to develop a story around it and were able to incorporate NewJeans’ popularity as a part of the story about finding self-worth
@@choujimi " suggest that the narrative of the I FEEL album intends for the push from Allergy to Queencard to be inspired by NewJeans in a meaningful way" that's the biggest reach in the entire universe... honestly laughable. Just quit the whole everyone is copying or imitating NewJeans it's pathetic.
@@Eris00i the biggest reach in the entire universe, huh? I’m sorry if I upset you, but I really wasn’t trying to represent either group in a negative light with this video.
@@Eris00i frrr preach queen, no ones copying newjeans, honestly this video is giving those 10yo kids on tt saying that tripleS is copying njs bc they have similar concepts💀💀
@@Eris00i FR, so much hates for many groups just because they think others copying nj. Sometimes others just wearing school uniform and the nj toxic fans called them copying nj smh.
this song is genuinely important to me because I joke about it so often- but, in joking about it, I'm able to be open about something I love that others definitely don't. I genuinely don't feel quite so embarrassed about the lyrics when they're blatantly ridiculous and great for that reason. It's a rare occurrence for me to feel this way, and I can't help but play or sing that chorus every chance I get.
I love Queencard so much. While a lot of people said it was stupid, bad, annoying, for me it's my campy confidence anthem. Like YES I AM a Queencard! Yes! My boob and booty is hot! I'm a star! It isn't satire, but it isn't serious either. It's fun, it's campy, and it's meant to empower you with that. I love it for that.
edit: guys i did not say you can’t criticize a song.. there are limits to criticism. it’s not critism to say “soyeon needs to be kicked and never write again” just because YOU found an issue with the song. What I hate is despite Queencard and Allergy having a good message behind them, people still found something to complain about whether it be the lyrics, their pronounciation, or Soyeon being a “terrible” song writer and that she should let people who know English write the English lyrics. I personally loved this song and is one of my top 10 in 2023. I also loved how their inspiration for Y2K wasn’t New Jeans, but looked moreso to those early 2000’s movies like Mean Girls.
Telling the most prominent 'female korean producer' to write better 'english lyrics' is such a xenophobic behavior tbh, Soyeon doesn’t owe anyone to conform herself to fit western standards. The lines are meant to be silly and as candid as they are, and that's why Queencard is so powerful. I mean kpop stans love to criticize XG for aave, but when korean gg used 'their own style of english' theyre being criticized too? pick a lane and get reaaall, lol these stans hypocrisy stinks.
@@jalucahairoThe lyrics Soyeon writes in english legit makes no sense and have no meaning. She should get help in writing english lyrics or just stick to korean lyrics it is kpop after all. Also if Taylor Swift wrote meaningless korean lyrics, I would have said the same thing about her.
@rosiebonnie No I mean by the way people are going about it. Like it’s okay if you think it’s cringe or whatever, but to the point of saying Soyeon needs to kicked out of Gidle and stuff is not right. You can express your opinion over a song without unnecessary remarks
@@vixxexo6855personally i like the english lyrics that she's written, she has creative wordplay, she doesn't have to write perfect accurate english lyrics to suit the songs they are
The way this short video made way more sense than any other prior video I've seen from others trying to explain what Queenard is. This is the only version so far that makes absolute sense to me tbh.
Haha thank you!! I really have an interest in queen card, despite how unserious it can be 😭 I think there’s a lot of meaning that can be pulled from it
@@choujimi What is wild to me was seeing the term 'queenka' again after what felt like 10+ years in kpop. They used the term (and kingka as well) A LOT during late gen 2 and early gen 3, but then it faded. Basically the popular girl and the popular guy.
(G)I-DLE was already doing a Y2K concept with 'Tomboy'. Not everyone was dressing like NewJeans back in the early 2000s. Ever heard of Avril Lavigne? Be for real
The clip you played at the beginning is so iconic and cute, that woman snag so beautifully im so happynylu showed me this 💙💙 Also love the way you frane your analysis, great job!!
I've always liked Gidle, their music was great since the beginning and I was always so intrigued, how their songs utilize the members' really distinct voices to their fullest while still being cohesive in the end. The turning point was with I never die, when I became incredibly obsessed with Tomboy (like pretty much everyone), but also Never Stop Me and Liar, Miyeon's Drive only made me more hyped and I Love proven once and for all, they are only gonna get better and more deep and different. I've always loved them for their music, but I slowly started to be more and more interested in their concepts and messages, to the point, where I was as excited for that as much as for the music, which definitely didn't disappoint. Allergy is right up my ally and Queencard is literally the song of the year, love all the b-sides as well, but I didn't realize how much of an impactful artist they are until the Warsaw Kpop Nation. The atmosphere was uncomparable even before it started and they played the groups MVs people were screaming Queencard like crazy, but when the actual performance happened it was uncomparable to anything I have ever imagined, it felt like Gidle really made the whole audience theirs and everyone was screaming the lyrics so loud I almost didn't hear the backtrack from where I was. I have been at a Harry Styles concert few months prior and even though the stadium was almost full, which means there were tens of thousands more people, it wasn't even close to that Queencard stage. I don't think I will ever forget, who Gidle are anymore, because for me they are not a 4th gen girl group, they are THE 4th gen girl group. I don't even stan them by the way😂.
not my fav ktuber posting today , i love queencard and i never thought of the two songs that way , loved the video thanks for widening my chain of thoughts regarding the song ✨💗
the way people that people didn't even watch or understand what you meant with this video and went straight to the comments to hate on you is quite concearning. Really loved your commentary and view on the album! Good job!
Thank you, I really appreciate it 😭 the response to this video had me questioning if I was losing my mind, but I’ve learned I need to be more careful with thumbnails and titles from this point forward haha
I feel like its not the same because Queencard is high-teen like StayC, where the identity is 2010s american pop culture. Whereas Newjeans concept is storytelling + minimalism, Ditto is vhs era drum n bass, Attention was more high-teen but OMG,Super Shy, and Cool With You arent the same concept. New Jeans, regardless of the genre, have a "sound", minimalism, soft vocals, guitar bass (Tell Me Cover,Cookie,Cool With You,Zero).
Yeah that’s kind of what I was getting at! In the ‘I FEEL’ album narrative, idle contemplates what makes the Y2K aesthetic so popular for groups like NewJeans, and tries to emulate it, but misses the point entirely. As a result of that, they end up starting their own trend and finding self worth by way of infusing the song with aspects of themselves rather than other people - Queencard is quite idiosyncratic to IDLE by the end, and I really can’t imagine another group doing it as well as they did
loveee this song and love the narrative. I agree! In the start (allergy) the girls were unhappy with themselves, but by the end of queencard, I think they discovered that even if they weren´t like the others, they are queencards and found a sense of self worth! which imo, is a great message! love this song sooooo much, it has to be one of my all time favorites too!
You do know they literally touch on New Jeans during Allergy don't you? They're not trying to copy them in the slightest, they are using the trend and acknowledging it because what's trendy on social media is amongst the themes of both Queencard and Allergy alike. Also, they are very much leaning into popular early 2000s comedy movies for the songs, something New Jeans doesn't
Love your interpretation and the how it concludes and ties together to the main point of finding a way to appreciate yourself its very interesting, but i disagree. To me i think Gidle was trying to put a spin on the Y2k trend, even during Oh my god, Soyeon admitted that due to the popularity of girl crush, she wanted to put unique Gidle spin to it. New jeans was obviously one of the biggest inspiration, but we cannot ignore any other reference that Soyeon herself gave out, the biggest being the film I feel pretty, and the obvious ones you can spot in the mv, plus other modern examples like Ariana grande's been there all night or Little mix. And to add to that i do think she is criticizing something, the reason why the 2000s movies where selected is due to the very flawed film trope that existed at the time, the ugly duckling transforming into the princess or popular girl, u know the one where she takes off the glasses. This trope was very apparent in those movies and so i believe Soyeon chose those movies to criticize that trope, because a version of that trope still exists in our time, but this time through social media, hence you see the hybrid of the 2000s electronics with modern social media. She chose that trope and paired it up with i feel pretty's film ethos (where a young lady learns to appreciate herself even though she did not undergo any physical changes) All of this of-course leads to the same conclusion of appreciating yourself, but i believe in my interpretation more due to the context clues and Soyeon herself admitting her references. No disrespect, but i feel like you took the 'hype boy Tomboy' line and formed your argument around it, thus simplifying or watering down other nuanced ideas these two songs play with. I feel like the copying New jeans, or the hypeboy line does make sense, but it is just a small piece to the overall puzzle. them wanting to be New jeans is another part that adds to the story of insecurity but in a meta way (since this time they are referring to their real life kpop idol selves) But i wouldn't say its the driving force of the entire plot. its just a nice small reference that coincides with the overall theme of the story. Am i making sense here? Anyway great video, always love your thoughts, but Queencard is not that shallow, its honestly really interesting if you put together these references from visuals and lyrics side by side. Like there is a specific reason why Gidle chose 2000s movies as i pointed out, plus fusing old tech with social media. Plus the main point of the song was to subvert the meaning of queencard, a word inspired by the Mean girls movie. I dont know, it goes beyond New jeans at that point. But i do acknowledge that without them, Soyeon wouldn't have pursued this concept to this extent. But even then Soyeon has actually dabbled in y2k before, like in her solo album Windy, and Allergy sounds a lot like Never stop me from the I Never die album which came out before New jeans. So yeah although New jeans was the big inspiration, all these factors to me suggest that they where just the jumping point, not the main focal point of the entire comeback project.
I definitely get what you mean!! I should’ve made it more clear - I didn’t intend to make it sound like (G)I-DLE was only intending to emulate NewJeans with this comeback, this is just a part of the album’s narrative that really interested me! I think it brings the story of the album into the real world in a meaningful way, and introduces Queencard’s position as a title track for the project Soyeon herself said that by the time of Queencard, she was tired of making music with deep messages/complex meanings. I think Queencard is not as serious for that reason, but there’s still a lot of world building behind the narrative of this album that comes from many different places, I agree!
as a 20 something that isn't from the US queencard captured the y2k era and my childhood incredibly well. like i'm afraid this is what y2k was actually about, they didnt pick and choose what aesthetics could resonate with the kids and teens of today but rather what would resonate with someone who actually grew up during that time
your channel is such a breath of fresh air. i love how deep you go into you analysis in each video and how fresh the topics that you make videos on are--- it's hard to find videos like this elsewhere on here! i really love when a kpop fan really cares about the music like you do
i cant bring myself to hate queen card because i danced it so many times that i lost weight (i’m still overweight but queencard helps my weight loss so much)
So I’m a millennial (cue me watching your vid on older kpop fans from a few months ago and being like oh…. I’m in this pic and I don’t like it 😂) And you’re so right with your point about Queencard copying Y2k pop culture that no one particularly wants to emulate. It’s actually been kind of fascinating watching younger kpop fans be nostalgic for the trappings of the early 2000s, largely because of the way NewJeans reinterprets the era in their vids as a nostalgic/vaporwave kind of time. There was certainly an element of that in the early 2000s, especially in our computers. But there was also a strong streak of mean-spiritedness and even more fondness for just throwing slurs around. And also the fashion could get really really ugly. When will we get a kpop retro vid that has idols wearing overly long bootcut jeans that get dragged through melting snow and stay soggy all day???? Mean Girls shows the best and worst of how rough around the edges things could get back then, so it makes sense for Queencard to allude to it. All that rambling to say it’s also so interesting to me that Queencard (and Allergy) call back to Mean Girls and White Chicks. Basically reveling in some of the less dreamily aesthetic moments of the era. I don’t think it’s doing this to say “nostalgia is bad and you’re romanticizing bad things!” (Back during the actual y2k era there was a lot of 80s nostalgia after all.) I think it’s maybe using the less ideal media and looks from that era to make the point that people have always been people regardless of what styles are in fashion. The insecurities in Allergy and the power fantasy of Queencard are things people have obsessed over since the time of the Pyramids lol. So yeah blah blah blah I agree with you. Queencard isn’t a parody but it’s definitely a fun spoof of stuff from my childhood that’s being used to make a larger point about self esteem. And the joys of twerking on the runway I guess. (Sorry I don’t have the work ethic to make video essays of my own so apparently I felt like writing out the script of one in a reply to your vid? But yeah I was just really into the points you raised I guess!)
This is a great analysis - thank you so much for writing it out! I would definitely love to see this as a video essay, but I also understand it’s not a medium for everyone haha I think the tie-in to Mean Girls is pretty significant, as it seems like the narrative around that movie changes as times goes on. People start to empathize and want to understand the “antagonist” of that movie more than anyone else as time goes on. In retrospect, she’s less of a truly evil character and is seen as more of a victim or consequence of society being the way that it is
Honestly I never really got into the song, I wnated to but couldnt tell you why it just isnt for me, but I recently finally realised: I really dislike really current thing like tiktok, Instagram, micro trends such being referenced. And by referenced Imean in the lyrics not mv or concept. How did I notice? A book did the same and I really noticed how it took me out of the entire story
I understand that - it tends to get so oversaturated that I definitely see how some people are apprehensive of it, but I think it will become more appreciated as time goes on. I definitely think there will be a time where all of this will be seen as nostalgic haha 😭
Oh! Here we have a typical example of a hater that must compare totally different, older, multiconceptual group to their faves and then being so pitiful to even admit it bravely, so they're starting to spam how it is not a hate and negativity spreadness lmao Btw have you ever heard of 'Tomboy' by Gidle ? And NJ concept is 'y2k style' so i don't understant how a big trend worldwide in 2023 for y2k fashion and vibes is a copy when some other groups or artists try to use it in their work or songs? Anyways, womp womp
Womp womp I guess ☹️ I genuinely don’t understand how people took this as hate towards either group. I spent the entire video *praising* g-idle for crafting a well-thought-out story that is reflective of trends in the kpop industry I genuinely want to understand why you’re so upset about this, but nobody is providing an answer that makes sense. It’s either a misrepresentation of what I was saying, or you make points that I already spoke about in the video?
@@drkmonn9153 new jeans have the gp and their own fan base I don’t even like bts or hybe so tf is u talking about 😂 not everything revolves around bts, svt are the biggest bg in Korea rn
@@luvdept bts and seventeen made newjeans then....with over the top budget, full promo from lnsta, western artists, famous actors, hong kong famous and full promo from all the famous seniors, extreme producer min hee jin with hybe budget, USA IabeI since debut and extreme payola, if they still faiI then I dont know what to say....HYBE USA got all famous HoIIywood actors and singers under them thanks to BTS To compare them with a self made artists from a midsize company who still didnt even have a US label after almost 6 years and lost the most popular member and made it all by themselves is like comparing night and day....
Queencard is a horrible song imo... sorry but its this loud obnoxious annoying sound so prominent from last gen in kpop that made me stop listening to kpop (i was a MASSIVE 2nd gen fan of the likes of t-ara, snsd , girls day etc)... if it wasnt for the likes of 50/50 reincorporating that 2nd gen sound and then moreso newjeans introducing the likes of uk garage, jersey club, miami bass and 90s r'n'b into kpop i still wouldnt be listening to kpop.... newjeans brought me back
I’m so glad I found your channel, you always have great things to say about everything, and never in a hateful way which is difficult to see nowadays with k-tubers, keep it up 🫶🏻
This is not a hate video 😭 *I am NOT saying g-idle felt jealous or sad about newjeans’ success in real life.* This is a story that I believe g-idle crafted for their album narrative very intentionally to go with the theme of their album
ALSO I know NewJeans debuted with attention - I just meant that hype boy was *a part* of their debut
I promise this song just hits different in concert
real i went to a gidle concert and their energy >>>
IDC what anyone says, Aunt Sue you're the real Queencard.
She's an icon, She's a legend and she's the moment
i love how g-idle, being an older group, was able to embrace the more mature aspects of the y2k concept. to me, new jeans feels like nostalgia from watching old vhs tapes at your grandma's house, looking through highschool yearbooks, a very sweet and innocent depiction of the era. queencard, on the other hand, feels like a crazy college party and i love it.
I don't really see Queencard as Idle's attempt to copy New Jeans. While it does play into the Y2K revival, I feel like it's more directly just 2000s chick flicks and serendipitously coincides with Barbie-core (pretty much being released at the peak of the Barbie movie hype too). The storyline and references are more camp than anything. The biggest giveaway that GIDLE isn't taking themselves that seriously with this comeback is just the choice of subject matter. Tomboy and Nude both had really poignant and assertive messages, while Queencard is a lot more laid back and silly (knowing your worth and less fuck the patriarchy). If GIDLE were really trying to copy NJ, then they would also try to wholly adopt the Y2K concept (and maybe go for more dreampop instead of upbeat); instead, they're continuing the elaborate storylines and deliberate messaging.
I agree! I didn’t intend to accuse IDLE of copying NewJeans, but rather suggest that the narrative of the I FEEL album intends for the push from Allergy to Queencard to be inspired by NewJeans in a meaningful way. That’s why I wanted to include Queencard in the title, and not (G)I-DLE
Y2K was already experiencing a resurgence, NewJeans capitalized on it, and undoubtedly inspired a lot of the Y2K aesthetics we’ve seen in kpop since their debut
In my opinion, and with Allergy’s lyrical tie-in to NewJeans, I think the I FEEL album was IDLE’s take on the Y2K trend but with a layer of complexity - rather than just trying the aesthetic out, they wanted to develop a story around it and were able to incorporate NewJeans’ popularity as a part of the story about finding self-worth
@@choujimi " suggest that the narrative of the I FEEL album intends for the push from Allergy to Queencard to be inspired by NewJeans in a meaningful way" that's the biggest reach in the entire universe... honestly laughable. Just quit the whole everyone is copying or imitating NewJeans it's pathetic.
@@Eris00i the biggest reach in the entire universe, huh? I’m sorry if I upset you, but I really wasn’t trying to represent either group in a negative light with this video.
@@Eris00i frrr preach queen, no ones copying newjeans, honestly this video is giving those 10yo kids on tt saying that tripleS is copying njs bc they have similar concepts💀💀
@@Eris00i FR, so much hates for many groups just because they think others copying nj. Sometimes others just wearing school uniform and the nj toxic fans called them copying nj smh.
this song is genuinely important to me because I joke about it so often- but, in joking about it, I'm able to be open about something I love that others definitely don't. I genuinely don't feel quite so embarrassed about the lyrics when they're blatantly ridiculous and great for that reason. It's a rare occurrence for me to feel this way, and I can't help but play or sing that chorus every chance I get.
Agreed it means so much to me
I love Queencard so much. While a lot of people said it was stupid, bad, annoying, for me it's my campy confidence anthem. Like YES I AM a Queencard! Yes! My boob and booty is hot! I'm a star!
It isn't satire, but it isn't serious either. It's fun, it's campy, and it's meant to empower you with that. I love it for that.
edit: guys i did not say you can’t criticize a song.. there are limits to criticism. it’s not critism to say “soyeon needs to be kicked and never write again” just because YOU found an issue with the song.
What I hate is despite Queencard and Allergy having a good message behind them, people still found something to complain about whether it be the lyrics, their pronounciation, or Soyeon being a “terrible” song writer and that she should let people who know English write the English lyrics. I personally loved this song and is one of my top 10 in 2023. I also loved how their inspiration for Y2K wasn’t New Jeans, but looked moreso to those early 2000’s movies like Mean Girls.
Telling the most prominent 'female korean producer' to write better 'english lyrics' is such a xenophobic behavior tbh, Soyeon doesn’t owe anyone to conform herself to fit western standards. The lines are meant to be silly and as candid as they are, and that's why Queencard is so powerful. I mean kpop stans love to criticize XG for aave, but when korean gg used 'their own style of english' theyre being criticized too? pick a lane and get reaaall, lol these stans hypocrisy stinks.
@@jalucahairoThe lyrics Soyeon writes in english legit makes no sense and have no meaning. She should get help in writing english lyrics or just stick to korean lyrics it is kpop after all. Also if Taylor Swift wrote meaningless korean lyrics, I would have said the same thing about her.
because she wasted such a good song with horrible, trash, dusty, crusty lyrics 😭
@rosiebonnie No I mean by the way people are going about it. Like it’s okay if you think it’s cringe or whatever, but to the point of saying Soyeon needs to kicked out of Gidle and stuff is not right. You can express your opinion over a song without unnecessary remarks
@@vixxexo6855personally i like the english lyrics that she's written, she has creative wordplay, she doesn't have to write perfect accurate english lyrics to suit the songs they are
Gidle has that power to turn (normally) embarrasing lyrics to something empowering and crazy fun at the same time
the thing i love about g-idle is that even though their lyrics might be "cringe", they are fun and that's the reason I enjoy kpop
The way this short video made way more sense than any other prior video I've seen from others trying to explain what Queenard is. This is the only version so far that makes absolute sense to me tbh.
Haha thank you!! I really have an interest in queen card, despite how unserious it can be 😭 I think there’s a lot of meaning that can be pulled from it
@@choujimi What is wild to me was seeing the term 'queenka' again after what felt like 10+ years in kpop. They used the term (and kingka as well) A LOT during late gen 2 and early gen 3, but then it faded. Basically the popular girl and the popular guy.
(G)I-DLE was already doing a Y2K concept with 'Tomboy'. Not everyone was dressing like NewJeans back in the early 2000s. Ever heard of Avril Lavigne?
Be for real
The clip you played at the beginning is so iconic and cute, that woman snag so beautifully im so happynylu showed me this 💙💙
Also love the way you frane your analysis, great job!!
Haha yeah! She’s on tiktok and sings covers of kpop songs pretty often!
Didn't even catch the Newjeans references
I've always liked Gidle, their music was great since the beginning and I was always so intrigued, how their songs utilize the members' really distinct voices to their fullest while still being cohesive in the end.
The turning point was with I never die, when I became incredibly obsessed with Tomboy (like pretty much everyone), but also Never Stop Me and Liar, Miyeon's Drive only made me more hyped and I Love proven once and for all, they are only gonna get better and more deep and different. I've always loved them for their music, but I slowly started to be more and more interested in their concepts and messages, to the point, where I was as excited for that as much as for the music, which definitely didn't disappoint. Allergy is right up my ally and Queencard is literally the song of the year, love all the b-sides as well, but I didn't realize how much of an impactful artist they are until the Warsaw Kpop Nation.
The atmosphere was uncomparable even before it started and they played the groups MVs people were screaming Queencard like crazy, but when the actual performance happened it was uncomparable to anything I have ever imagined, it felt like Gidle really made the whole audience theirs and everyone was screaming the lyrics so loud I almost didn't hear the backtrack from where I was. I have been at a Harry Styles concert few months prior and even though the stadium was almost full, which means there were tens of thousands more people, it wasn't even close to that Queencard stage.
I don't think I will ever forget, who Gidle are anymore, because for me they are not a 4th gen girl group, they are THE 4th gen girl group. I don't even stan them by the way😂.
oh my gosh i was HOOKED the entire video, it feel like a minute or two! such a good video!!
Thank you 😭 that’s so nice
not my fav ktuber posting today , i love queencard and i never thought of the two songs that way , loved the video thanks for widening my chain of thoughts regarding the song ✨💗
the way people that people didn't even watch or understand what you meant with this video and went straight to the comments to hate on you is quite concearning. Really loved your commentary and view on the album! Good job!
Thank you, I really appreciate it 😭 the response to this video had me questioning if I was losing my mind, but I’ve learned I need to be more careful with thumbnails and titles from this point forward haha
I feel like its not the same because Queencard is high-teen like StayC, where the identity is 2010s american pop culture.
Whereas Newjeans concept is storytelling + minimalism, Ditto is vhs era drum n bass, Attention was more high-teen but OMG,Super Shy, and Cool With You arent the same concept.
New Jeans, regardless of the genre, have a "sound", minimalism, soft vocals, guitar bass (Tell Me Cover,Cookie,Cool With You,Zero).
Yeah that’s kind of what I was getting at! In the ‘I FEEL’ album narrative, idle contemplates what makes the Y2K aesthetic so popular for groups like NewJeans, and tries to emulate it, but misses the point entirely. As a result of that, they end up starting their own trend and finding self worth by way of infusing the song with aspects of themselves rather than other people - Queencard is quite idiosyncratic to IDLE by the end, and I really can’t imagine another group doing it as well as they did
loveee this song and love the narrative. I agree! In the start (allergy) the girls were unhappy with themselves, but by the end of queencard, I think they discovered that even if they weren´t like the others, they are queencards and found a sense of self worth! which imo, is a great message! love this song sooooo much, it has to be one of my all time favorites too!
me trying to reach the word count in my essay
You do know they literally touch on New Jeans during Allergy don't you? They're not trying to copy them in the slightest, they are using the trend and acknowledging it because what's trendy on social media is amongst the themes of both Queencard and Allergy alike. Also, they are very much leaning into popular early 2000s comedy movies for the songs, something New Jeans doesn't
That’s quite literally the first point I made in this video 😕
Love your interpretation and the how it concludes and ties together to the main point of finding a way to appreciate yourself its very interesting, but i disagree.
To me i think Gidle was trying to put a spin on the Y2k trend, even during Oh my god, Soyeon admitted that due to the popularity of girl crush, she wanted to put unique Gidle spin to it. New jeans was obviously one of the biggest inspiration, but we cannot ignore any other reference that Soyeon herself gave out, the biggest being the film I feel pretty, and the obvious ones you can spot in the mv, plus other modern examples like Ariana grande's been there all night or Little mix.
And to add to that i do think she is criticizing something, the reason why the 2000s movies where selected is due to the very flawed film trope that existed at the time, the ugly duckling transforming into the princess or popular girl, u know the one where she takes off the glasses. This trope was very apparent in those movies and so i believe Soyeon chose those movies to criticize that trope, because a version of that trope still exists in our time, but this time through social media, hence you see the hybrid of the 2000s electronics with modern social media. She chose that trope and paired it up with i feel pretty's film ethos (where a young lady learns to appreciate herself even though she did not undergo any physical changes)
All of this of-course leads to the same conclusion of appreciating yourself, but i believe in my interpretation more due to the context clues and Soyeon herself admitting her references.
No disrespect, but i feel like you took the 'hype boy Tomboy' line and formed your argument around it, thus simplifying or watering down other nuanced ideas these two songs play with.
I feel like the copying New jeans, or the hypeboy line does make sense, but it is just a small piece to the overall puzzle. them wanting to be New jeans is another part that adds to the story of insecurity but in a meta way (since this time they are referring to their real life kpop idol selves) But i wouldn't say its the driving force of the entire plot. its just a nice small reference that coincides with the overall theme of the story. Am i making sense here?
Anyway great video, always love your thoughts, but Queencard is not that shallow, its honestly really interesting if you put together these references from visuals and lyrics side by side. Like there is a specific reason why Gidle chose 2000s movies as i pointed out, plus fusing old tech with social media. Plus the main point of the song was to subvert the meaning of queencard, a word inspired by the Mean girls movie. I dont know, it goes beyond New jeans at that point. But i do acknowledge that without them, Soyeon wouldn't have pursued this concept to this extent. But even then Soyeon has actually dabbled in y2k before, like in her solo album Windy, and Allergy sounds a lot like Never stop me from the I Never die album which came out before New jeans. So yeah although New jeans was the big inspiration, all these factors to me suggest that they where just the jumping point, not the main focal point of the entire comeback project.
I definitely get what you mean!! I should’ve made it more clear - I didn’t intend to make it sound like (G)I-DLE was only intending to emulate NewJeans with this comeback, this is just a part of the album’s narrative that really interested me! I think it brings the story of the album into the real world in a meaningful way, and introduces Queencard’s position as a title track for the project
Soyeon herself said that by the time of Queencard, she was tired of making music with deep messages/complex meanings. I think Queencard is not as serious for that reason, but there’s still a lot of world building behind the narrative of this album that comes from many different places, I agree!
as a 20 something that isn't from the US queencard captured the y2k era and my childhood incredibly well. like i'm afraid this is what y2k was actually about, they didnt pick and choose what aesthetics could resonate with the kids and teens of today but rather what would resonate with someone who actually grew up during that time
your channel is such a breath of fresh air. i love how deep you go into you analysis in each video and how fresh the topics that you make videos on are--- it's hard to find videos like this elsewhere on here! i really love when a kpop fan really cares about the music like you do
That’s such a nice thing to say 😭 thank you so much, I really appreciate it!!
I think what soyeon tried to do is, well, make queencard embody the campiest side of Y2K and IT DID
they always leave no crumbs! THE HEAT EP has no skips
i cant bring myself to hate queen card because i danced it so many times that i lost weight (i’m still overweight but queencard helps my weight loss so much)
i love love love your analysis omg I'm glad i found your channel~
queen card being better than every new jeans song ever
that's a funny thought 😂
@@taylor3261 Yes it is....queencard on yt music (not yt views mind you) surpassed ditto and omg which was released earlier in the year.....
why the unnecessary comparison...
So I’m a millennial (cue me watching your vid on older kpop fans from a few months ago and being like oh…. I’m in this pic and I don’t like it 😂) And you’re so right with your point about Queencard copying Y2k pop culture that no one particularly wants to emulate. It’s actually been kind of fascinating watching younger kpop fans be nostalgic for the trappings of the early 2000s, largely because of the way NewJeans reinterprets the era in their vids as a nostalgic/vaporwave kind of time.
There was certainly an element of that in the early 2000s, especially in our computers. But there was also a strong streak of mean-spiritedness and even more fondness for just throwing slurs around. And also the fashion could get really really ugly. When will we get a kpop retro vid that has idols wearing overly long bootcut jeans that get dragged through melting snow and stay soggy all day???? Mean Girls shows the best and worst of how rough around the edges things could get back then, so it makes sense for Queencard to allude to it.
All that rambling to say it’s also so interesting to me that Queencard (and Allergy) call back to Mean Girls and White Chicks. Basically reveling in some of the less dreamily aesthetic moments of the era. I don’t think it’s doing this to say “nostalgia is bad and you’re romanticizing bad things!” (Back during the actual y2k era there was a lot of 80s nostalgia after all.) I think it’s maybe using the less ideal media and looks from that era to make the point that people have always been people regardless of what styles are in fashion. The insecurities in Allergy and the power fantasy of Queencard are things people have obsessed over since the time of the Pyramids lol.
So yeah blah blah blah I agree with you. Queencard isn’t a parody but it’s definitely a fun spoof of stuff from my childhood that’s being used to make a larger point about self esteem. And the joys of twerking on the runway I guess.
(Sorry I don’t have the work ethic to make video essays of my own so apparently I felt like writing out the script of one in a reply to your vid? But yeah I was just really into the points you raised I guess!)
This is a great analysis - thank you so much for writing it out! I would definitely love to see this as a video essay, but I also understand it’s not a medium for everyone haha
I think the tie-in to Mean Girls is pretty significant, as it seems like the narrative around that movie changes as times goes on. People start to empathize and want to understand the “antagonist” of that movie more than anyone else as time goes on. In retrospect, she’s less of a truly evil character and is seen as more of a victim or consequence of society being the way that it is
it is quite funny but those little refs to newjeans were my fav lines in the whole song alsooo i love the meaning ofc
queencards lyrics are so ass but i like the message
0:40 their debut song is attention btw😊
How you dare to say that gidle failed to copy NEWJEANS, NEWJEANS failed to copy (G)I_DLE ,
Bunnies think New Jeans invented y2k...
like u know anything about them
@@taylor3261 as a bunny since around cookie era , SOME bunnies do indeed think that newjeans invented y2k
@@yqfreak and as a person who doesn't give a flying fuck, shut up 🤣
You made a mistake but thats okay, newjeans didnt debut with 'Hybe Boy', they debuted with 'Attention'.
Yeah, I should’ve clarified - I meant hype boy was a part of their debut, not the official debut
@@choujimi thats okay,, when i was getting in their fandom i tought they debuted with cookie LOL😭☝🏻
Honestly I never really got into the song, I wnated to but couldnt tell you why it just isnt for me, but I recently finally realised: I really dislike really current thing like tiktok, Instagram, micro trends such being referenced. And by referenced Imean in the lyrics not mv or concept. How did I notice? A book did the same and I really noticed how it took me out of the entire story
I understand that - it tends to get so oversaturated that I definitely see how some people are apprehensive of it, but I think it will become more appreciated as time goes on. I definitely think there will be a time where all of this will be seen as nostalgic haha 😭
It's the song equivalent to Mean Girls. If you know and understand what it is making fun of you like it and if you don't you hate it.
Another great video! Awesome work, Choujimi. I love Queencard, also. And I don’t think it’s too deep, lol. But that’s just my opinion. ❤
Oh! Here we have a typical example of a hater that must compare totally different, older, multiconceptual group to their faves and then being so pitiful to even admit it bravely, so they're starting to spam how it is not a hate and negativity spreadness lmao
Btw have you ever heard of 'Tomboy' by Gidle ? And NJ concept is 'y2k style' so i don't understant how a big trend worldwide in 2023 for y2k fashion and vibes is a copy when some other groups or artists try to use it in their work or songs? Anyways, womp womp
Womp womp I guess ☹️ I genuinely don’t understand how people took this as hate towards either group. I spent the entire video *praising* g-idle for crafting a well-thought-out story that is reflective of trends in the kpop industry
I genuinely want to understand why you’re so upset about this, but nobody is providing an answer that makes sense. It’s either a misrepresentation of what I was saying, or you make points that I already spoke about in the video?
NJ huge success is due to HYBE's huge Payola wallet
Я уже свыклась с тем фактом, что все айдолы/группы копируют концепцию NewJeans Y2K😅
The sound of their voices in this song awful and the construction of the song doesn’t make it any better.
wait wait wait attention is their debut album !! right ??
I meant hype boy was a part of their debut
newjeans debuted with attention not hype boy 😅
I meant it was a part of their debut 😭
newjeans are just a powerhouse ❤
They just have HYBE and BTS behind them meanwhile GIDLE has to fight against these big 4 companies
@@drkmonn9153 new jeans have the gp and their own fan base I don’t even like bts or hybe so tf is u talking about 😂 not everything revolves around bts, svt are the biggest bg in Korea rn
@@luvdept bts and seventeen made newjeans then....with over the top budget, full promo from lnsta, western artists, famous actors, hong kong famous and full promo from all the famous seniors, extreme producer min hee jin with hybe budget, USA IabeI since debut and extreme payola, if they still faiI then I dont know what to say....HYBE USA got all famous HoIIywood actors and singers under them thanks to BTS
To compare them with a self made artists from a midsize company who still didnt even have a US label after almost 6 years and lost the most popular member and made it all by themselves is like comparing night and day....
I can't stand this song. It's so annoying
Queencard is a horrible song imo... sorry but its this loud obnoxious annoying sound so prominent from last gen in kpop that made me stop listening to kpop (i was a MASSIVE 2nd gen fan of the likes of t-ara, snsd , girls day etc)... if it wasnt for the likes of 50/50 reincorporating that 2nd gen sound and then moreso newjeans introducing the likes of uk garage, jersey club, miami bass and 90s r'n'b into kpop i still wouldnt be listening to kpop.... newjeans brought me back
I’m so glad I found your channel, you always have great things to say about everything, and never in a hateful way which is difficult to see nowadays with k-tubers, keep it up 🫶🏻