Napalm Flame Nope. I saw it first on my laptop, which has a pretty crappy screen. But to be sure I just watched it on my pc's monitors which are quite good, and I still saw red/green.
Zawseh truth is if our brains were used as pc they would have like 1000000000tb of ssd and gtx 10800000 ti and probably run crysis around 20 000 000 fps
- Folks, if you're seeing red and green instead of yellow: no, you are not Superman, and no, you are not broken. At 60 FPS, only a few of you will see the illusion. At 120FPS, I imagine that much more of you would. I was limited by both Adobe Premiere and TH-cam in this regard. The science behind the idea still stands.
@@Trizz311 That game is not made for ps4 currently considering the whole game is being run by community and its very difficult and challenging without mods.
2:36 Greg - "Tell me what color you see now?" Me - "red and green, but very fast" Greg - did you see it? Was it yellow? Me - "wait was I wrong? Was it supposed to be yellow?" Greg - "Congratulations! You're incorrect!" Me - "Ah, so I wasn't incorrect" I guess watching from a 90hz phone screen probably helps even if youtube can only get up to 60hz.
Just to add onto this. The advantage of high framerates in certain games is not only due to the better visual processing that it allows. A great deal from its advantage also comes from the fact that higher framerates allow better control. There is essentially an inverse exponential relationship between how well you can control a certain dynamic system (a car in racing, a cursor in shooting) and the visual input lag you receive. Lower input lag (i.e. High framerates) allow one to control something at higher gains without it becoming unstable.
I've got an IPS 5ms GTG response LG montior (not the fastest) so I guess it's the eye that matters. I also get motion sickness easily from low fps (under 50) and low FOV.
Here is a little experiment for you. Youll need a clock with a second handle. Now face so that the clock is somewhere in your left field of view. For a couple of seconds loot at something on the right, then using only your eye movements (dont turn your head) quickly look at the clock. The first second you see should be longer than the rest. This happens, because your brain pretty much alters your memory. There is a certain time delay for things to be processed. And what your brain does, is pretty much rewrites part of the image you see during the time you move your eyes, with the image of the first clear picture (the first second), and stores that in to memory. This makes it seem like the first second actually takes a little bit longer on the clock than the rest. The length differs from person to person, but thus far i have yet to see anyone say they didnt notice it.
that would explain why the green dot seems to be on screen longer than the red one when we are supposed to see a yellow dot?. I don't see yellow, just green and red, but the red seems to vanish way faster than the green dot.
Is that why some events are longer than others? Let's say your in an English 101 class. And you just got there and the class flew by fast. But another student says it took forever. How would you explain that process? Does it even have to do anything with the eye?
24fps is enough for the cinema since decades! If you have one display (tablet, mobile, ...) with high refresh rates, there are apps with which you can test it. They can show fast motions of small objects in different frame rates with and without motion blur. For me 60Hz motion blurred looks like the most even movement already. Only wirhout motion blur higher rates look better. This is why I can not follow this race for high fps...
The red and green flashing quickly to make yellow didn't work on me at all actually. I saw red then green in that order. How's that work? Do some peoples eyes perceive things faster than others?
- Please feel free to tag all of your console-loving friends in this video. If they give you flack, tell them this: "The facts don't care about your feelings ;-)"
Well, i sure don`t like to dip below 60 when gaming (although 50-55 range is still ok for "slower" games). Since i dont play "shooters" that much i probably wont buy 120-144 HZ monitor any time soon. Only then when it replaces 60 hz as mainstream standard i would buy it. Also on TH-cam videos i can clearly distinguish 60 fps from 30 and former is more pleasant, no doubt there. But still i think we`ve gone a bit too far in "PCMR" thing :D. Last time i used a console at all was in PS1 days and i would never buy it anymore. PC all the way. But consoles will satisfy most people most of the time. That`s a fact. They are doing it for a long time already. In PS1 and PS2 days i can`t remember ever seeing a topic of resolution or framerate. Resolution became a thing with X360 and PS3 with the advent of the "HD" era. And framerate-wise those early last-gen games were very poor. Most of them couldnt hold 30 fps or even reach it at all but i dont remember i saw an internet outrage because of that. These days console gamers get 30-60 fps, mostly 900p od above, and mostly stable, from a no-hassle, easy to use $300 box, and people still complain :D. I think there is a thin line between informed with well placed standards and spoiled in the tech world and most people gravitate to latter these days. For me it`s very clear. Consoles are fine, affordable and easy entertainment for mainstream audience. Good performance and usability for what they are, and will sure become better in the future. PC above some mid-range price tag is a multipurpose precision power tool which takes more time and money and not that many people are willing to deal with it. Actually, we get exactly what we pay for. Yeah, i get it, hardcore console fans can be childish and ignorant sometimes but we from PC arena could also chill a bit because we are pushing things over the top. I guess some hardcore PC gamers wouldnt hestitate to call me "a peasant" too because i hold to my 60 hz 1920*1200 Dell (16:10 is the law for me) and im not willing to give it up for any 4K or 120 hz gaming gadget :D. Nothing personal towards you Greg. You are doing a great work on this channel as always ;). Just a few general thoughts i wanted to let out for a long time :D.
CMstacker One is a peasant when they ignore facts from both sides and simply see consoles as the superior hardware. And you are not that. I do have a 144hz monitor. But the games I play are made for higher framerates. It's not for everyone. I have a ps4 simply for the few exclusives. The one thing I like about their exclusives is that they are more optimized for the hardware.
Me too. Seems like our eyes are working correctly I guess? Do you also happen to be an person that can spot rain when others can not? I am one of those (thank my FPS-game-experience for this lol).
I have a 144hz monitor with strobing so I have practically 0 motion blur. I have never gotten any sort of headache or motion sickness or even flight/sea sickness in my life, so im not sure how it feels. Google testufo if you want to see examples of strobe elimination of motion blur.
like that exact moment before puking because of claustrophobia Actually imagine feeling claustrophobic, then you want to puke. That exact feeling of sickness is motion sickness.
Me too I use to use consoles even with motion blur and if get headaches after a bit but now I play PC with 1440p and 60 fps and I never get headaches and I never turn on motion blur it fucks with my performance in games like rust and cs:go
You might need much more then that to avoid the stroboscopic effect in gaming. Or an motion blur implementation. Read about flicker flicker fusion threshold.
I saw the red & green, which blended into yellow in the third frame. I understood why he thought some people would guess yellow, but I saw the red & green first.
I saw the red and green dots when back-to-back, but like you said about trained eyes, I play at 60fps whenever possible, so I picked that up. My girlfriend, however, saw a yellowish-orange dot. I'll turn off my fps counter, run a benchmark at a random setting, and guess the average fps with about .5 fps accuracy, but she'll have no idea, and basically just guess a random number. Also, the USAF test mentioned was done in a darkened room, from what I heard. As you probably know, a bright image flashed in darkness creates rental burn in of the image. Your brain can identify this burn in even after you can no longer consciously see the burn-in. If you watch video in a darkened environment for an extended period of time, your brain has to try to sort out the burned in images as they occur, which results in a headache. I actually had to turn on my bedside lamp while typing this, as the backlight on my phone was causing burn in.
An interesting instance of retinal burn in happened a while back when a woman with transplanted retinas identified the man who murdered her donor. The last images the deceased saw was her killer, and since she died before the retinas could be healed, the scar tissue left just enough of a burn-in that the woman who received her retinas was able to subconsciously recognize the killer when she encountered him at the diner or wherever it was she ended up seeing him. Funny thing is, if the man hadn't lost his temper due to her staring at him, he might have never been caught. The human eye, and the whole body for that matter, is truly remarkable, and one helluva feat of engineering.
dude off topic but ffs tell us for once what is the song you use in the background for all your videos! I beg of you! You might also add it in the description of each or at least most of your videos
So did I. TH-cam has a cap of 60hz though so he can't fool us properly. If he did it faster however we probably would see yellow and some people probably did. My father is a very intelligent man and is the owner of million dollar projects, some of which he started up himself. In other words, he usually knows his stuff. Even he argues that having monitors over 60hz is pointless. When I showed him the game GRID at 144hz though vs 60hz I convinced him otherwise. Flickshots in FPS and targeting in MMO's also become more fluent because of more smooth camera moment.
You are correct. There is a difference between 60hz and 144hz. That difference is 84 hz. :) The human brain is the interpreter of how fast you can see an object without motion blur. For some, this around 100 hz. Most 144hz monitors actually equate to 120hz mathematically which is what monitor manufacturers are shooting for as it's on the high end of the spectrum that a majority of humans brains can record. They push out 144hz because there is some lag time in the signal transmission from video card to monitor, which mathematically gives you a true 120hz video output. I've done a lot of research on the subject, and those who can see 100hz is considered perfect by the human race, and some can see up to 120hz, and a rare few can interpret 130hz to 140hz. Anything more than what your brain can handle and it looks the same.
+TheNikitis I have tested it personally, and I cannot perceive any difference after 120hz, but I can notice all the 10 fps increments lower than that. I rate on the high end of the reflex time spectrum, and play a lot of twitch shooters. I doubt very many people will truly be able to notice more than 120hz/120fps.
also if you move your finger under a lamp and you see various stages of movement (like seeing multiple positions when you move a mouse across the screen) is because the lamp is constantly flickering.
2:36 I saw them individually, they didn't merge into yellow but now I'm interested in getting some sort of slider that slowly increases the hz until the colors seem to fuse.
2:40 I saw 3 colors, red, green and yellow. Imo these type of videos are made for non-gamers. We, most fps gamers who have been playing for a long time are different and I believe our eyes are evolving over time. Especially if we play with a fast movement, flicky aim playstyle.(I play apex legends) I've been playing fps games on Mouse&Keyboard for 20 years and I'm pretty sure I can see more fps than people who also have been playing fps games for 20 years but in a slower way, without movement techs, without aim flicks and probably with a controller with the help of software aim assist. Like I said I play Apex Legends and let's say you put two monitors in front of me. One of them has apex legends being played on 240 fps and the other one is on 180 fps. I could literally tell you which monitor is lower and which one is on higher fps if I played the game on those monitors for less than a minute. We do this test 100 times and I would tell you the correct answer 100 times in a row. 4:47 It's quite the opposite for me. 100- Fps gives me headache, while 144+ fps is where I feel healthy. It even started to get so difficult to watch tv shows&movies on less than 60 fps, literally gives me headache. I think we gamers with fast-movement&flicky aim playstyle are evolving in a way that the minimum and maximum fps we can see are both increased. For me the image I see starts to stutter if it's lower than 60 fps, so my minimum is 60. No matter if it's a movie, game, tv show, a normal video, everything is stuttering like crazy if it's below 60 fps for me. For non gamers I'm pretty sure this minimum number of fps where the stutter begins is between 15 and 30 instead of 60. SOME GAMERS ARE EVOLVING. Pretty sure if my child and their child and goes on like this for 50 generations play fps games nonstop wholeday everyday with the same fast playstyle I have, the children born after these generations would be able to see higher fps than non-gamers even when they are 1-day-old-babies.
Some games do it wrong. motion blur should only happen at high velocities, not any time you move your screen. some games do motion blur well, others dont
Same with me in any game. Motion blur give me a headache, anything that is blurry give me headache... So I have to turn of motion blur and any depth perception that artificially makes things blurry in games. Also if you have a slow LCD panel on your monitor you get motion blur anyway, that is very typical for monitors intended for photo editing as they prioritize picture quality over speed.
On an LCD, very likely. On an impulse driven display like CRT or Plasma, probably not. Those don't display a static image for 16 ms at a time, they display a bright pulse and then fade until the next refresh. That's likely to produce the effect. There's a reason plasma / CRT produce more natural looking motion than LCD.
That's the secret to winning in highly competitive fps games,.except MDMA is a bad drug, cannabis get your fps down to about 15 frames,.while playing at 60 on the screen. You can dodge bullet like you are in the Matrix 💊
how does grey to grey time on a monitor work into this? at a high enough frame rate and a bad enough pixel transition wouldn't you end up with a since continuous image instead of a bunch of seperate frames? kinda like hardware interpolation
Matthew McKellar Er, my youtube is being weird and I couldn't tag who I was trying to ask the question. I was asking the TH-camr himself, and I couldn't find a thread to comment on and I saw this one gained traction so. :P
Found it! I understand the science behind it perfectly, it has a lot to do with persistance of vision (the main trick used by CRT monitors and 3D). Still, it would be incorrect to say that at 60 fps people would see yellow, it's not that high of a framerate.
I have a 60 Hz monitor, and I didn't see yellow. To be fair, I can't really see the red first part clearly to distinguish its color, but the green color after that is clear. There was no yellow impression at all.
Here is my theory: The brain electrical signals travel around the body with a velocity (v) . That means everything we feel, we see, we touch, we hear, we live happens each times electrical signal reaches brain. So, the real life fps would be moments per second. Each moment happens when electrical signal reaches brain, so the value of a moment is v. If the speed of electrical signals is 10000 (That is an example, I don't know how much it is), then the real life fps for us is 10000. Not only we seeat 10000 moments per second (mps) but we also think, feel, hear etc. So, our general feeling of existing has 10000 mps and when we die, the velocity of electrical signals equals to 0, which means that the definition of time, which is moments per second is 0, does no longer exist for a person who died. If humanity finds the speed of electrical signals of our bodies, then we know how many mps we have and we know how much a second means for us. The question is ''Why would we care to learn this? How would this help?'' I guess, we can create a time-controler machine, slowing down the velocity of the electrical signals, which would be really interesting in my opinion! For animals, time will pass normal, for us humans, thanks to the time-controler, we will slow down time and make our ememies exist in a slower rate than us. We can also accelerate that velocity and only God knows what we would explore with such fast mps! I hope I was understandable, because I feel like I didn't explain my theory too clearly. (WARNING: I hadn't had enough time to see the whole video, so I don't know if the youtuber said something similar to what I said)
I'm confused I don't get what everyone is talking about I seen both red and green separately and thought I was wrong when he said yellow but then he said wrong I seen red and green separately and I have bad eyesight and need glasses to see clearly so why did I see both colors rather than yellow
I saw both as well. For a second I thought my brain had imposed the colors when he said yellow, but then he said it was wrong. That said, I do have well above average sight (10-20 vision both eyes), so it's not due to your poor eyesight.
Our brains adding motion blur?wasn't the blur due to us seeing objects in the past as it still takes time for retina to process the image or light to reach our eyes so the blur is us seeing the object which is even more displaced from its original position or this is exactly what motion blur is?
Pretty much. Games just emulate motion blur by, what you can think of "smearing the frames together" to make it easier on our eyes and/or hide lazy development and/or add realism.
word of advice. If you gonna do the mixed colors trick on youtube, always advise the viewers to watch the video in 60FPS. You can actually see both red and green colors quickly changing at lower frame rates and your deception doesn't work :)
The deception doesn't work regardless. I couldn't boost the frame rate to 120 thanks to the limitations of both TH-cam and Adobe Premiere. No worries. The science still stands.
What about trying to read license plate numbers on fast moving cars from a GoPro dashcam? Would a higher frame rate help or not? Which FPS setting is or would be the best?!
Imagine seeing life at 5 FPS
Edit: Liam Thompson stole my idea and made it into a video smh
deep
Instant insanity.
Dark
imagine processing 240 images / sec PogChamp
things will hapen faster like for dogs
2:40 I literally saw red and green...
I saw purple
I see red,green,yellow
I’m superior
@@arandomguyel-9402
Says the math guy
I use this channel for shitpost
-triggered- ohhhhh
I saw anxiety
My eyes usually see around 600-700 FPS, I’m currently running on a 5.3 blood cycle OCed Retina display and a Harvard ready Brain processor
Bob sagget lol
Amateur
yeah but you only overclock with B positive
i also have the newest driver update for my HIV, its my antivirusprogramm its called condom
@@ZeroTwo-cl9hi *SPONSORED BY DUREX*
*imagine having fps drops in life*
😂😂
Yeah when you go to a forest with lots of plants.
P1x3l when you blink it’s like lag if your moving fast
you know when you just woke up and felt very tired and feel slow?
@@TomimokaDiyuu That's me every day.
I *overclocked* my eye and got ∞ fps.
lol
Not uh
its dangerous, you can get blind...
Its actually nothing to do with eye, all about your brain. Like you can use same optics with different cameras with better or worse video fps.
@@user-cl3gz9ey1w you gonna need a usb keyboard that has the keypad then you gonna do ALT + KEYPAD 2 + KEYPAD 3 + KEYPAD 6 = ∞ Hope this help you
I have installed a new graphic cards in my brain, Oxford2080 Ti. Now I can find a job at 100fps.
Nice 😂
I have installed the Oxford 3090 ti which costed me my kidneys 😂
Not bad, i not need a graphic cards to see 120 FPS. But it's joke 😂
the Oxford1050+ Ti came out! I’m getting 260 FPS!
With the quick red/green I didn't see any yellow. I saw a red and a green dot switching quickly.
same
Same here
So I'm not the only one out there? Are we just strange, or does monitor quality have something to do with this?
Napalm Flame Nope. I saw it first on my laptop, which has a pretty crappy screen. But to be sure I just watched it on my pc's monitors which are quite good, and I still saw red/green.
Animiles
Hm, interesting!
When you're drunk fps drops.
it's 🤣
I noticed that last time I got superwasted
No, you get motion blur
😂 wTf
hahahaah nice one
But the real question is:
Can we overclock them?
But can it run crysis
Drink redbull
Zawseh truth is if our brains were used as pc they would have like 1000000000tb of ssd and gtx 10800000 ti and probably run crysis around 20 000 000 fps
ItzYaBoyy ya bitch u see 4K FULL MEGA UHD 4D
'overclocking is illegal'
"was the color yellow?"
no
"Congratulations! You were incorrect!"
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- Folks, if you're seeing red and green instead of yellow: no, you are not Superman, and no, you are not broken. At 60 FPS, only a few of you will see the illusion. At 120FPS, I imagine that much more of you would. I was limited by both Adobe Premiere and TH-cam in this regard. The science behind the idea still stands.
Heh, was gonna say, in BOTH of those dot tests I saw red & green. I actually didn't see any yellow at all!
i saw red and green and i am an apache attack helicopter.
The video is only 60FPS having a monitor at 120FPS wouldn't effect the amount of time it is on screen.
i saw red green on both i didnt see yellow
So if i saw red and green does that make me special?
3:23 quality gameplay
Ddnt expect to see cities skylines there. I am a huge fan of this game
@@jyotsnasrivastava6373 I have that on my ps4 but haven't played it for a while. Tbh I actually forgot that I had it.
@@Trizz311 That game is not made for ps4 currently considering the whole game is being run by community and its very difficult and challenging without mods.
I didn't see yellow I saw red and then green
maks kuznia me to
NieNize metoo
Yea
I also saw red, then a flash of yellow, then green.
Am I getting too fast, lol?
EndYxz _ probably lol
Lack of motion blur never gives me a headache, I always turn it off. Low framerate gives me headache.
same
LCD has innate motion blur due to pixel response.
***** Haha, there is no LCD with true 1MS black/white/black response. Go here and learn something: www.blurbusters.com
LOL so true
True there is no LCD that does 1ms BTB.. But majority of LCD does there scale in GTG which they can get a 1ms with ease
Human eye can't see more than 8 gb ram
I need better processor
my processor is old. anyone wanna give me an upgrade?
Slushy yeah man what’s your PayPal?
madvier _83 actually 100 gb
Your brain starts to crash around 10 terabytes of data In ram
2:36
Greg - "Tell me what color you see now?"
Me - "red and green, but very fast"
Greg - did you see it? Was it yellow?
Me - "wait was I wrong? Was it supposed to be yellow?"
Greg - "Congratulations! You're incorrect!"
Me - "Ah, so I wasn't incorrect"
I guess watching from a 90hz phone screen probably helps even if youtube can only get up to 60hz.
What phone do u have to get 90hz?
@@osmar328 OnePlus 7 Pro. I mean, I know it's not supposed to work on TH-cam but I don't know, I had no trouble seeing it!
I saw it on 60hz
@@KPoWasTaken then the mystery is solved. Probably only looks yellow on 30fps
I saw red, green and yellow 😶
Just to add onto this. The advantage of high framerates in certain games is not only due to the better visual processing that it allows. A great deal from its advantage also comes from the fact that higher framerates allow better control. There is essentially an inverse exponential relationship between how well you can control a certain dynamic system (a car in racing, a cursor in shooting) and the visual input lag you receive. Lower input lag (i.e. High framerates) allow one to control something at higher gains without it becoming unstable.
I'll sell my eyeballs for a GTX 1080
That's either eerily kafkaesque...or just a very short-sighted decision indeed ;P
Zin Gamer ok i will and after that you cant see and ill take the gtx 1080 back and get your graphics card
Zin Gamer whats that,
GENIUS! I SELL MY HANDS TO BUY A GAMING MOUSE AND A MECHANICAL KEYBOARD :D
then you wont need a gtx ;)
The question is why is his Microphone in his hairs.
i didnt see it lol
Yes, he has lots of hairs...
Ikr
Phorax because you won't be able to see his face
Phorax lmao
But I've actually seen the 2 quick colors in the second test
no shit
me too. i was like wait wasnt that both? i saw green for sure, and it definitely wasnt yellow so when he described it i knew my eye was right
Pasha Boss same
Same I saw both to
@@yourdaddy6937 we neeed an explanation
I saw red and green... not yellow. Am I a robot!?
no you are simply more use to high frame rates
Your screen is better....
good, was afraid I'd suddenly become a transformer or some- *EXPLOSIONS
same lol
I did as well. I'm used to a screen with 144Hz :)
hmm so any idea if the light from sun comes in fps?
Light behaves like a wave. It wouldn't come in phases by its own characteristics.
Wave and a particle.
i love the fact that they're taking him seriously XD
Doesn't light come in packets of photons?
Light comes in a .zip photo
I could see red and green on the 2nd experiment... yellow didnt even cross my mind
+TH-camPoliceDepartment same here saw orange and green
Same here, but I got the order reversed
Me to... guess we have good monitors and eyes lol
Got a 60hz tv and saw red and green (limitation by adobe premiere said Science Studio)
I've got an IPS 5ms GTG response LG montior (not the fastest) so I guess it's the eye that matters. I also get motion sickness easily from low fps (under 50) and low FOV.
Imagine lagging across the map IRL
That's just being wasted
1k people hate everything about life
Still works..
Never saw yellow....
I saw red/green
yep. what was he talking about. there was no yellow.
+Natthawat Pakanunsuppawong agreed
NoLife ur photo is yellow lmao
Are u Asian?
*_I'll just buy rtx 2080 human edition._*
i already run on human edition mother board, 9999999 kg stomach of ram, brain processor,inhaling nose 2x cooling system and a clock speed of 2 feet.
@Nobi Dora
I get the new architecture RTZ right now 😏, the RTX is soo old with all numbers
Ill just stick with my geforce 256
I still have my potatoforce 420
Megacon bruh rtx 628480 was like decades ago get the new wtrxgtx 999999999999990,999990999999999999
Guys if ur eyes arent good enough there are these ram sticks which can help they are called lenses
Here is a little experiment for you.
Youll need a clock with a second handle. Now face so that the clock is somewhere in your left field of view. For a couple of seconds loot at something on the right, then using only your eye movements (dont turn your head) quickly look at the clock.
The first second you see should be longer than the rest.
This happens, because your brain pretty much alters your memory. There is a certain time delay for things to be processed. And what your brain does, is pretty much rewrites part of the image you see during the time you move your eyes, with the image of the first clear picture (the first second), and stores that in to memory. This makes it seem like the first second actually takes a little bit longer on the clock than the rest. The length differs from person to person, but thus far i have yet to see anyone say they didnt notice it.
wow I have been wondering about that
that would explain why the green dot seems to be on screen longer than the red one when we are supposed to see a yellow dot?. I don't see yellow, just green and red, but the red seems to vanish way faster than the green dot.
i didnt notice it. i actually tried it over 20 times right now and all of the seconds had exactly the same delay.
Ive experienced that my whole life but never thought about why it happens. Thanks for explaining.
Is that why some events are longer than others? Let's say your in an English 101 class. And you just got there and the class flew by fast. But another student says it took forever. How would you explain that process? Does it even have to do anything with the eye?
I saw red and green i didn't see yellow
Same
2:38 I saw red and green (in that order)
I only see the green lol
what hz is ur moniter cuz i think u only see it if u have 60hz
@@vaypex3620 just my potato phone lol that might be the reason
I saw gray instead of green same for yellow...
suomi
See you in 8 years when youtube recommends this again
1 year checkpoint
@@mybaIIz great
YEAH SHE'S DEAD@@Atomo
SPOILER ALERT.
You don't see in frames!!!
Maybe we are but it's just too fast for us to see? Just a thought not saying I'm right
@@bodagazinsky9609 clearly it was some strong stuff....
@@bodagazinsky9609 you dont have FRANE rates
wrong; the video itself also ends with that this isn't true exactly.
we are not frame processors but we aren't completely afar.
WHAT IF ITS THE MATRIX
🙃
I think I need to upgrade my eyes
OVER CLOCK
Just download a 8gb graphics card from nvidia
Upgrade not available
Why dont u get the new rtx glasses90
Install eagle eyes.
Whatever. The human eye can't see over 8gb of ram anyway.
Project_Evo And we cant use more than 1Gbit/s per Cablemanegement
24fps is enough for the cinema since decades!
If you have one display (tablet, mobile, ...) with high refresh rates, there are apps with which you can test it. They can show fast motions of small objects in different frame rates with and without motion blur.
For me 60Hz motion blurred looks like the most even movement already. Only wirhout motion blur higher rates look better.
This is why I can not follow this race for high fps...
The red and green flashing quickly to make yellow didn't work on me at all actually. I saw red then green in that order. How's that work? Do some peoples eyes perceive things faster than others?
Same.
Yes, no two peoples eyes are the same
PLay csgo...
Well I kinda figured that, but also thought that the ability to see things at the same rate would be relatively the same for all.
Never played Cricket but I've been a gamer for about 12 years now lol.
i saw red and green am i bionic ?
I did too, when he said "did you see yellow" I thought I was wrong lol.
Is the video 30 or 60 fps?
60fps 1080p
me too
I'm also a robot because I saw that. 🤖
as a kid i used to practice watching one blade of a ceiling fan, and then try to look at track a different fin constantly. now im the fps master
Imagine walking down the street and seeing a guy doing this 5:10
When I do crack I see in 240 fps with effects at ultra
Edit: Yeah it was a joke of course. I never tried crack
Hasa Rafael dude your like 10
😂
@@cammorr8235 dude you're like 11
@Reality dude your like 13
@Reality dude your like 15
- Please feel free to tag all of your console-loving friends in this video. If they give you flack, tell them this: "The facts don't care about your feelings ;-)"
hahaha
console-loving people don´t like facts and science ;-)
Conclusion?
Well, i sure don`t like to dip below 60 when gaming (although 50-55 range is still ok for "slower" games). Since i dont play "shooters" that much i probably wont buy 120-144 HZ monitor any time soon. Only then when it replaces 60 hz as mainstream standard i would buy it. Also on TH-cam videos i can clearly distinguish 60 fps from 30 and former is more pleasant, no doubt there.
But still i think we`ve gone a bit too far in "PCMR" thing :D. Last time i used a console at all was in PS1 days and i would never buy it anymore. PC all the way. But consoles will satisfy most people most of the time. That`s a fact. They are doing it for a long time already.
In PS1 and PS2 days i can`t remember ever seeing a topic of resolution or framerate. Resolution became a thing with X360 and PS3 with the advent of the "HD" era. And framerate-wise those early last-gen games were very poor. Most of them couldnt hold 30 fps or even reach it at all but i dont remember i saw an internet outrage because of that.
These days console gamers get 30-60 fps, mostly 900p od above, and mostly stable, from a no-hassle, easy to use $300 box, and people still complain :D. I think there is a thin line between informed with well placed standards and spoiled in the tech world and most people gravitate to latter these days.
For me it`s very clear. Consoles are fine, affordable and easy entertainment for mainstream audience. Good performance and usability for what they are, and will sure become better in the future. PC above some mid-range price tag is a multipurpose precision power tool which takes more time and money and not that many people are willing to deal with it. Actually, we get exactly what we pay for.
Yeah, i get it, hardcore console fans can be childish and ignorant sometimes but we from PC arena could also chill a bit because we are pushing things over the top. I guess some hardcore PC gamers wouldnt hestitate to call me "a peasant" too because i hold to my 60 hz 1920*1200 Dell (16:10 is the law for me) and im not willing to give it up for any 4K or 120 hz gaming gadget :D.
Nothing personal towards you Greg. You are doing a great work on this channel as always ;). Just a few general thoughts i wanted to let out for a long time :D.
CMstacker One is a peasant when they ignore facts from both sides and simply see consoles as the superior hardware. And you are not that.
I do have a 144hz monitor. But the games I play are made for higher framerates. It's not for everyone.
I have a ps4 simply for the few exclusives. The one thing I like about their exclusives is that they are more optimized for the hardware.
Haha, At 3 min I saw the Red and Green, not yellow... :D
same. other people must have slow brains? or we just are really good at seeing frames.
original CS, CS GO, COD, BF over the years have an effect afterall... :D
+Raimar Lunardi (Random Sidequest) would say the same. 60hz does cut it for me. best I have now is 75h, but would like the 144hz panel friend has
for sure!!
Currently all I have is this Laptop with an 660M... but when I buy a PC later this year I will have to get one of those... :D
Same here, too much csgo I guess ^_^
You could be overpowered with 5 FPS, see punches in slow mo.
Hey i saw red and green not yellow
Me too. But it was still harder to see than either color by itself.
weatherdynamics interesting. I dont have sense that much different. Just little more quicker. Lots quicker
I saw red/green and yellow for a very small portion of time.
Shaun Dewey funny but i dont saw yellow
then your qualified for the master race
Console gamer be like the The human eye can only see 24.5 fps
Then why did I buy a 165hz monitor ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Consoles have from 30-60 FPS some games have 60FPS
you mean 2005 console gamers
Nin10d0 Rulz DA VV0rlD *2017
Genroy Noisis wich 2017 console doesn't support 60fps?
PS4 Pro at 4k settings is at 29 fps on Watch Dogs 2 in some big scenes
I saw green and red.
Try watching at a higher video quality
when he said what color you see on the first time i guessed first red then green and it was correct, like wtf
Same I saw it the 2nd time cause I really wasn't paying attention
same
same
"one second I need to lower my render distance, I need 10k fps"
Optifine irl is just glasses btw
Holy crap
I have optifine
I'm boutta get optifine
I have sodium lenses
Weeb
2:39 umm... i saw red and green.. am i not human?
im scared
ItsForce I saw it too and I had glasses on.
Me to
I see red,green,yellow
(I have my glasses)
maybe because of u guys, not activated the 60fps feature on utube. or dont support it
I saw both red and green in order.
So did I
Yep me too.
Same. you're not alone lol.
Me too. Seems like our eyes are working correctly I guess?
Do you also happen to be an person that can spot rain when others can not? I am one of those (thank my FPS-game-experience for this lol).
Kameel yeah. I'm a gamer and prefer FPS
I always turn off Motion blur if I can do so and never have an issue in racing games.
I have a 144hz monitor with strobing so I have practically 0 motion blur.
I have never gotten any sort of headache or motion sickness or even flight/sea sickness in my life, so im not sure how it feels.
Google testufo if you want to see examples of strobe elimination of motion blur.
like that exact moment before puking because of claustrophobia
Actually imagine feeling claustrophobic, then you want to puke. That exact feeling of sickness is motion sickness.
its more like getting a really bad stomach ache all of a sudden and feeling like your going thru throw up, not necessarily claustrophobic.
Me too I use to use consoles even with motion blur and if get headaches after a bit but now I play PC with 1440p and 60 fps and I never get headaches and I never turn on motion blur it fucks with my performance in games like rust and cs:go
Dude my monitor cant handle that much my monitor is capped at 15 fps
So basically sweet spot is 100 hz, but we can perceive 220 hz from the pilot example. And i saw red to green then yellow.
Same red green yellow
[*some*] people can see 220 Hz. But I think that has more to do with the processor speed of your brain than the refresh rate of your eyes.
You might need much more then that to avoid the stroboscopic effect in gaming. Or an motion blur implementation. Read about flicker flicker fusion threshold.
I saw the red and green one. When you said yellow I was really confused.
IKR?
same. when he said yellow i was all like, ummm what
same here!
Same here
I saw the red & green, which blended into yellow in the third frame. I understood why he thought some people would guess yellow, but I saw the red & green first.
I saw the red and green dots when back-to-back, but like you said about trained eyes, I play at 60fps whenever possible, so I picked that up. My girlfriend, however, saw a yellowish-orange dot. I'll turn off my fps counter, run a benchmark at a random setting, and guess the average fps with about .5 fps accuracy, but she'll have no idea, and basically just guess a random number. Also, the USAF test mentioned was done in a darkened room, from what I heard. As you probably know, a bright image flashed in darkness creates rental burn in of the image. Your brain can identify this burn in even after you can no longer consciously see the burn-in. If you watch video in a darkened environment for an extended period of time, your brain has to try to sort out the burned in images as they occur, which results in a headache. I actually had to turn on my bedside lamp while typing this, as the backlight on my phone was causing burn in.
An interesting instance of retinal burn in happened a while back when a woman with transplanted retinas identified the man who murdered her donor. The last images the deceased saw was her killer, and since she died before the retinas could be healed, the scar tissue left just enough of a burn-in that the woman who received her retinas was able to subconsciously recognize the killer when she encountered him at the diner or wherever it was she ended up seeing him. Funny thing is, if the man hadn't lost his temper due to her staring at him, he might have never been caught.
The human eye, and the whole body for that matter, is truly remarkable, and one helluva feat of engineering.
Interesting stuff from this OP^ Thanks for the feedback!
dude off topic but ffs tell us for once what is the song you use in the background for all your videos! I beg of you! You might also add it in the description of each or at least most of your videos
same here, I noted the 2 colours and not yellow. I am a gamer too, maybe there is something to that.
hah lol same
I saw red and green distinctly
im colorblind so all three where yello
I saw both when he said "did u see yellow" i saw red and green
So did I. TH-cam has a cap of 60hz though so he can't fool us properly. If he did it faster however we probably would see yellow and some people probably did.
My father is a very intelligent man and is the owner of million dollar projects, some of which he started up himself. In other words, he usually knows his stuff. Even he argues that having monitors over 60hz is pointless. When I showed him the game GRID at 144hz though vs 60hz I convinced him otherwise.
Flickshots in FPS and targeting in MMO's also become more fluent because of more smooth camera moment.
Same lol.
You are correct. There is a difference between 60hz and 144hz. That difference is 84 hz. :) The human brain is the interpreter of how fast you can see an object without motion blur. For some, this around 100 hz. Most 144hz monitors actually equate to 120hz mathematically which is what monitor manufacturers are shooting for as it's on the high end of the spectrum that a majority of humans brains can record. They push out 144hz because there is some lag time in the signal transmission from video card to monitor, which mathematically gives you a true 120hz video output. I've done a lot of research on the subject, and those who can see 100hz is considered perfect by the human race, and some can see up to 120hz, and a rare few can interpret 130hz to 140hz. Anything more than what your brain can handle and it looks the same.
same
+TheNikitis I have tested it personally, and I cannot perceive any difference after 120hz, but I can notice all the 10 fps increments lower than that. I rate on the high end of the reflex time spectrum, and play a lot of twitch shooters. I doubt very many people will truly be able to notice more than 120hz/120fps.
2:21 I have red-green colour blindness. I saw both as red 😂😭
lol noob
Uhm, being colourblind doesn’t make me a noob? You’re the one who’s sounding like a noob.
r/woooosh
Frick.
@@wowsuchhandle what if your mom is color blind would she become a noob asshole these kids are just 7 year old bullies
also if you move your finger under a lamp and you see various stages of movement (like seeing multiple positions when you move a mouse across the screen) is because the lamp is constantly flickering.
When you did the 2nd set of dots I saw red and green dots not a yellow.
Everyone is talking about the color they saw
meanwhile I'm colorblind
lol, think of this way: Every bird can see ultraviolet light, this means we are all colorblind to something...
2:36 I saw them individually, they didn't merge into yellow but now I'm interested in getting some sort of slider that slowly increases the hz until the colors seem to fuse.
when i squint my eyes it creates a flickery yellow but at max brightness i saw red and green
Human eyes can only see USB 3.0
saw red and green?
we both got good eyes..but for some reason I saw all 3...is that bad?
I saw all 3 as well
Ralakus we got super eyes then
same
I saw that too
I saw red and green separately
same
I saw red and green and then yellow. wtf
same here :)
same and i didnt understand his explanation
So did I :)
i saw red and green not yellow.. i have a porbelem or what?
that means you and me are too OP for this video
It means we should be using 144 Hz monitors because we're too good.
Yeah, once you have gone 100Hz or above its easy to spot and you will never go back ;)
i run most games with max 16~24 fps D:
+North Southy ..I'm using 60hz tho and it was like that for me. lol
2:40 I saw 3 colors, red, green and yellow.
Imo these type of videos are made for non-gamers.
We, most fps gamers who have been playing for a long time are different and I believe our eyes are evolving over time.
Especially if we play with a fast movement, flicky aim playstyle.(I play apex legends)
I've been playing fps games on Mouse&Keyboard for 20 years and I'm pretty sure I can see more fps than people who also have been playing fps games for 20 years but in a slower way, without movement techs, without aim flicks and probably with a controller with the help of software aim assist.
Like I said I play Apex Legends and let's say you put two monitors in front of me. One of them has apex legends being played on 240 fps and the other one is on 180 fps. I could literally tell you which monitor is lower and which one is on higher fps if I played the game on those monitors for less than a minute. We do this test 100 times and I would tell you the correct answer 100 times in a row.
4:47 It's quite the opposite for me. 100- Fps gives me headache, while 144+ fps is where I feel healthy. It even started to get so difficult to watch tv shows&movies on less than 60 fps, literally gives me headache. I think we gamers with fast-movement&flicky aim playstyle are evolving in a way that the minimum and maximum fps we can see are both increased. For me the image I see starts to stutter if it's lower than 60 fps, so my minimum is 60. No matter if it's a movie, game, tv show, a normal video, everything is stuttering like crazy if it's below 60 fps for me. For non gamers I'm pretty sure this minimum number of fps where the stutter begins is between 15 and 30 instead of 60. SOME GAMERS ARE EVOLVING. Pretty sure if my child and their child and goes on like this for 50 generations play fps games nonstop wholeday everyday with the same fast playstyle I have, the children born after these generations would be able to see higher fps than non-gamers even when they are 1-day-old-babies.
In CS GO i get head ache when i use motion blure..
Some games do it wrong. motion blur should only happen at high velocities, not any time you move your screen. some games do motion blur well, others dont
Jacob Westerberg lol ur lying cuz motion blur prevents head ache
OATm33L it does have. Its only you havent even play the game yet or 50 hours in game lmao
Same with me in any game. Motion blur give me a headache, anything that is blurry give me headache... So I have to turn of motion blur and any depth perception that artificially makes things blurry in games. Also if you have a slow LCD panel on your monitor you get motion blur anyway, that is very typical for monitors intended for photo editing as they prioritize picture quality over speed.
i saw the red and green wth
me too
me to :p
me too.
enthusiast PC gamers see red and green :)
me too xD
at the flashing light, I saw red, green and yellow,
LMAO
2:38 The question is who saw yellow
I saw red yellow and green
but i saw the red and green color not the yellow one is that normal ?
i am using a 60hz monitor and you
idk. I'm using a 60hz monitor and it's literally some cheap $30 dell monitor.
EliM i am using a laptop monitor so ......
Rayan Ighil
gg
On an LCD, very likely. On an impulse driven display like CRT or Plasma, probably not. Those don't display a static image for 16 ms at a time, they display a bright pulse and then fade until the next refresh. That's likely to produce the effect.
There's a reason plasma / CRT produce more natural looking motion than LCD.
I saw red + green O.o
for the second one i saw green then red is this normal?
No it isn't normal, you need to get your eyes checked.
+Bobthedj shit damn of fuck xD
ya me too saw !
I saw it too, I'm going to die! :(
It means you watched it too slow. Watch it again at 2x speed.
Taking too much MDMA get your FPS down to like 2-4.
That's the secret to winning in highly competitive fps games,.except MDMA is a bad drug, cannabis get your fps down to about 15 frames,.while playing at 60 on the screen. You can dodge bullet like you are in the Matrix 💊
how does grey to grey time on a monitor work into this? at a high enough frame rate and a bad enough pixel transition wouldn't you end up with a since continuous image instead of a bunch of seperate frames? kinda like hardware interpolation
Another topic for another video! Good stuff right here ^
+Science Studio Awesome! can't wait to see your take on it!
For the part where it blinks both colours in an order, is everyone supposed to see yellow? I easily saw red and then green. .-.
+EliM Just asking? but by chance did you accidentally comment in the wrong thread?
Matthew McKellar
Er, my youtube is being weird and I couldn't tag who I was trying to ask the question. I was asking the TH-camr himself, and I couldn't find a thread to comment on and I saw this one gained traction so. :P
2:40 I actually could see both. it is YOU who are wrong.
no offense though.
same. i was really confused for a second. i was like how is it only yellow if there were 2 different colors?
@@chokonma9951 It's Muphry's Law....
@@gbremoved4680 eh?
@@chokonma9951think that he wooshed you...
@@super-f7v oof just realized it was a joke
I actually saw green and red lol (2.50)
same
same :l
actually, when he ask what color was that I answer "green" and then I thought that i was a retarded
I have seen yellow and green...
I think you can get a ''trained'' I if you play a lot of video games.
I saw green and red too
me too
That moment when i see red and green and almost tough i was wrong .... almost
I saw green the red...what does that mean?
Matthew Fenton you have to go to a doctor asap, you could have cancer
Sambenmoser it's illegal to give medical info over internet
Matthew Fenton will I get imprisoned? Haha
I don't give a fuck about and you should too because you understood that it wasn't seriously
Sambenmoser yeah of course I know it wasn't serious. Chill out.
I definitely did not see any yellow lol
(yes, I'm watching the full HD 60 fps video)
How about reading my comment?
I can't see any, is it an annotation ?
Found it! I understand the science behind it perfectly, it has a lot to do with persistance of vision (the main trick used by CRT monitors and 3D). Still, it would be incorrect to say that at 60 fps people would see yellow, it's not that high of a framerate.
Watch it again in 480p with the 60fps video option disabled. What color do you see?
same
But the eye can only see 2 gigabytes of ram
2GB of Ram can process millions of operations every second though.
It was a joke
@@davidbass6780 woooshed
Is that the measurements of your short term memory? 😂
*Iron man Dies*
Was I the only one who saw red and green instead of yellow
i actually saw red and green, not yellow
i didnt see yellow i saw red and green ion the 60fps test
same
likewise
same
same
same
2:39 I saw both red and green :P
proove it
I saw red and green largely owing to my 144hz monitor. However if I watch the same scene on my 60hz monitor it came up yellow for me.
Same
sKumbag70 my monitor is overclocked from 60 to 80 but it was the same on my other 60 monitor
I have a 60 Hz monitor, and I didn't see yellow. To be fair, I can't really see the red first part clearly to distinguish its color, but the green color after that is clear. There was no yellow impression at all.
Here is my theory: The brain electrical signals travel around the body with a velocity (v) . That means everything we feel, we see, we touch, we hear, we live happens each times electrical signal reaches brain. So, the real life fps would be moments per second. Each moment happens when electrical signal reaches brain, so the value of a moment is v. If the speed of electrical signals is 10000 (That is an example, I don't know how much it is), then the real life fps for us is 10000. Not only we seeat 10000 moments per second (mps) but we also think, feel, hear etc. So, our general feeling of existing has 10000 mps and when we die, the velocity of electrical signals equals to 0, which means that the definition of time, which is moments per second is 0, does no longer exist for a person who died. If humanity finds the speed of electrical signals of our bodies, then we know how many mps we have and we know how much a second means for us. The question is ''Why would we care to learn this? How would this help?'' I guess, we can create a time-controler machine, slowing down the velocity of the electrical signals, which would be really interesting in my opinion! For animals, time will pass normal, for us humans, thanks to the time-controler, we will slow down time and make our ememies exist in a slower rate than us. We can also accelerate that velocity and only God knows what we would explore with such fast mps! I hope I was understandable, because I feel like I didn't explain my theory too clearly. (WARNING: I hadn't had enough time to see the whole video, so I don't know if the youtuber said something similar to what I said)
Well, I saw red and green. Maybe only "old" people will see yellow? (21)
I saw red then yellow?
Same boat bud... I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean
I did too! What's up with that
I saw the Red and Green as well when he instantly flashed them back to back (I am 29).
I saw red green as well and I'm double that age.
I'm confused I don't get what everyone is talking about I seen both red and green separately and thought I was wrong when he said yellow but then he said wrong I seen red and green separately and I have bad eyesight and need glasses to see clearly so why did I see both colors rather than yellow
Read my comment up top.
Same
I saw both as well. For a second I thought my brain had imposed the colors when he said yellow, but then he said it was wrong.
That said, I do have well above average sight (10-20 vision both eyes), so it's not due to your poor eyesight.
I didnt see yellow i saw redgreen really fast
Imagine if there are too many things going on your eye's fps just drops
Not me, I got a Nvidia RTX 3080 in my brain
Our brains adding motion blur?wasn't the blur due to us seeing objects in the past as it still takes time for retina to process the image or light to reach our eyes so the blur is us seeing the object which is even more displaced from its original position or this is exactly what motion blur is?
yes it is exactly motion blur is. Games only fake the effect. Think of it like super impsoing images with displacements
Pretty much. Games just emulate motion blur by, what you can think of "smearing the frames together" to make it easier on our eyes and/or hide lazy development and/or add realism.
The motion blur is because our brains only have a clock speed of 3.5ghz 🤦♂️
I saw green but noticed that there was a different color before green.
word of advice. If you gonna do the mixed colors trick on youtube, always advise the viewers to watch the video in 60FPS. You can actually see both red and green colors quickly changing at lower frame rates and your deception doesn't work :)
The deception doesn't work regardless. I couldn't boost the frame rate to 120 thanks to the limitations of both TH-cam and Adobe Premiere. No worries. The science still stands.
What does it mean if I was able to see green near the end of the second example
24gb vram
I’m gonna overclock my eyes and install liquid cooling too😂🤣
Eyes already have liquid cooling, your eyes secrete tears constantly
@@noname_6423 yes, but this person was specifically talking about their eyes
I've heard about that tech.... i think it was called Visine
What about trying to read license plate numbers on fast moving cars from a GoPro dashcam? Would a higher frame rate help or not? Which FPS setting is or would be the best?!
higher is better
Just you're scenario is super funny😀.
2:38 I actually saw it flash green and red, did anyone else?