I was kinda surprised that everyone thought it was such a step from 60 to 144, as i bought an 144hz monitor last year, but hadnt noticed any difference at all the first half year. Then i found out by mistake that i manually had to change from 60 to 144 and holy cow. I was lost, but now im found.
@@franciscomuler6069100% noticeable, I play Fortnite tried 60 fps to 240 fps and let me tell you 144fps is the best after that it doesn’t make much difference but the milli second delays specially for builds it’s night and day
Linus is actually good at aiming, and this was just an aiming test where the player was stationary. He's talked about on WAN how he likes to be a sniper in games for that reason, it's all about aiming and not so much about moving and shooting fast.
I'd love to see the difference of 1ms 30ms 100ms 300ms... we all know 300ms is just terrible and a very noticable lag but be cool to have as a reference point... now how to control the latency so it doesnt fluctuate during testing?
I was Testing it. I Played a little around with a friend and we came to the conclusion that when your Ping is like 100 and you are getting peeked you have the disadvantage and when you run to cover your body is lagging behind so you can get shot even tho you are already in Cover on your screen. This disadvantage gets worse the higher your ping's getting. And no a higher ping doesn't give you more peekers Advantage bc even tho you have more time before the enemy can see you, your shots are also getting registered with a delay. Sorry for my grammar xD english is not my first language
@@lucasimonelli5038 It does give you greater peakers advantage but you will receive input (hit/kill marker) later, which matters often when there are multiple enemies.
this alone shows different things already: - more fps IS important or at least DOES make a difference, even on low hz - this isn't a study and you shouldn't take any of the results actually for granted just because some people that are used to high refresh rates think that high refresh rates were great...
@@nadvic1797 yes, this was really surprising to me, it seems a sub 150fps adds quite significant input lag as well as display lag of where the enemy actually is? - regardless of display refresh rate, interesting. I wonder if this is something that can be addressed in software or what else is causing this effect.
@@DigiDriftZone it’s due to the mouse or controller input “polling” at 1000hz or whatever. So your inputs match what is rendered more closely at greater internal FPS (144 or 240fps), even if display output is 60fps. I notice a difference in camera movement responsiveness on an Xbox if I change display settings to 120fps, even if the game is locked at 60fps. The controller input is matching the frames at 120hz in the game engine. So it has 2 thumb stick updates per frame instead of one. It averages then for Greater accuracy. Similar to how iPhone screens touch input is 120hz but screen is 60fps.
@@MyThingsRedux I noticed that myself. Playing on Xbox, I set the framerate to 120 fps mode on Overwatch - even if I’m only playing on a 60 hz display. The reason is because the input feels much better.
I doubt he drinks coffe while playing, it makes your hands shake. Pure guarana is much better in that case, gives you better concentration and reaction speed without shaky hands.
@@7yan838 You can buy it in apothecary, just check ingrident list before purchase because guarana is often sold with caffeine mixed in and it would still make your hands shake.
Thieu Quang Trung I was actually super impressed with Shroud’s guess there, Linus’ comment hardly gave the game away and I think it reflected a very good analysis on Shroud’s part. Sorry to hijack your comment.
@@bladerj I Really think this was scripted,on a situation like that 60-240 dont make that big difference, like shroud said in the end,its right in the heat of the moment that there is tons of movement in the screen that it matter....
"So you're definitely more comfortable, shooting at human targets" "Yeah, absolutly 100%" Hope no one takes that one out of context Edit: To appease the grammar naizs :P
Haha, I remember playing Medal Of Honor Allied Assault online as a kid with 15-20fps on an outdated PC for more than a year in the early 2000s. After I got a new PC that could deliver the required fps for my 80hz CRT-monitor I became an unstoppable fragging machine because everything suddenly felt so smooth.
as someone who went from 60hz, to 240hz, i can say the difference is really big, on 60hz you need to learn how to hit enemies before they are on your crosshair, while on 240hz you can actually hit them when they are there, when i was on 60hz i thought the guns in the game were like that, but then when i moved to 240 suddenly i couldnt hit shots anymore, since i was used to the delay i would always shoot before they actually were on my crosshair, for like a month i couldnt hit a single shot when i played on 240, i even searched to see if it was only my monitor that was a fake 240hz or smth lol.
I went from console 60hz on fort to pc 240hz got used to it, but now that i played on 144hz its more smooth and realise thar 240 is too fast for the human eye, sometimes it gets blurry to see oponnents ill say 144hz is the sweet spot 340hz is overboard
i think its the compute power that makes the difference as seen in this test. higher fps means it computes faster so ur input is less delayed and u hit ur shots. i rather have 300fps and 144 hz than 300hz and 144 fps. clearly visible in these tests.
@@Koragh_ It depends on the monitor, some are more blurry at high refresh rates and some have special tech to make it less blurry like DyAC+ on the BenQ Zowie XL2746k
Both FPS and screen resolution fall into the rule of "diminishing returns". Where you'll have to increase twice as much as before only to get half as much as you used to.
My k/d has been over 1.00 my last 10 games. I'm a lot smoother in my movements and setting the sensitivity up to 7 increases my response time. Purchased an HP 24Xi monitor that outputs 144hz at 1080p. I'm happy with my purchase.
That's why I find this channel so entertaining. First he gets Gav from SlowMoGuys to show up and help film the previous video on this. Then when people say "You should have gotten Shroud", Linus just goes "Alright, let's just get Shroud". What a mad lad.
About 2-3 years ago I went from a 60 hz monitor to a 144 hz monitor and could easily tell the difference in my gameplay between the two. I realized that everything is far less stuttery in my directional movements, which gives my eyes a easier time tracking opponents. Albeit I am not a huge FPS gamer, I play a lot more MOBAs and can say that the difference there is highly noticeable as well. Sometime in the future I will be moving up to 240 or higher hz monitors and will see if those help as significant as the switch from 60 to 144 did. Hopefully so, as I always like seeing that my abilities aren't slightly hampered by technological setbacks
I recently switched from 60z to 144hz and i see everything so clearly. I play fps and moba games, i didnt see much difference in LoL but in fps games there is a huge difference. I still have to get used to playing fps games on 144hz bc my eyes were so used to seeing blurriness when turning. It makes a difference even when doing everyday tasks on the computer
Was never huge into FPSs, but got really good at R6S and all the war sims these days are way more competitive. Definitely in the top 15%, wonder where I’d be if I upgraded to 144?
I didn't notice any difference between 165 fps/Hz and 240 fps/Hz tbh. You might, but I didn't. If you could test it out I would deffo recommend doing so. I saw something a few years back and only a couple of the top e-sports players could accurately tell the higher fps rates from the 144fps/Hz "standard" of the time.
Adriano Figueira Gil not reaction actually it’s at this point where 240hz shows it’s advantages , like even linus would have won that against cory if he was using the 240hz monitor.
This video, when it came out a few years ago, actually motivated me to finally pull the trigger on a high refresh rate gaming monitor. Going from a 60 monitor to 144 was the best upgrade I ever made. I highly recommend it for anyone thinking about it.
You will not feel bad if you go to 240hz. Since 360hz monitors already on the market and is selling for hundreds more in a 24-inch screen at the time of this comment.
The double doors at 60mhz explanation absolutely reminds me of the "lag" behind the players movement in OSRS, but in reverse..because this isn't a network/tick interval test.
@@vehementtoast83 kinsi66 did a test comparing 128 and 64 with people entering a server and predicting the tick rate at the end of the dm server the results were interesting it was 50 50. Tickrate does matter but not as much as you think
@metal_ak4 if i was gettin 30fps on my pc id just get a console and hook up a mouse and keyboard lol. everyones different and everyone has their reasons for stuff but me personally if im not getting better performance or graphics on my computer than i would on a console i dont see the point in playing on a computer. id just load up a browser and vid on one monitor and then play console on the other if i wanna game. now i know finances are big factor in all that so.
I'm curious as to the differences that are demonstrated between players. For example, on the double doors results (17:02), 60 to 144 made a big difference, but 144 to 240 made very little difference for the pros, and yet Linus and Paul improved dramatically. So, basically, it seems to me that the skills of a casual player (if Linus can be called that) can be buffed through better tech, but the pros eventually reach a plateau where the tech doesn't help nearly as much, showing where their real potential truly lies. As an old gamer who's average and declining, playing with the server desync on Roblox with a 10 yo laptop, upgrading to a new computer eliminated the problems I experienced that were causing me to fail more...But didn't make a big difference where speed and accuracy (without lag) were required. So, higher refresh is very helpful but higher FPS is much more important. I think these tests show that there's a sweet spot for improvement via tech, and it lies between 144 and 240 FPS, with higher refresh, but I'm not sure where. Very interesting! Videos like this are of much more interest to me than your fluff videos.
I agree. For me, the sweet spot is 165 Hz. Never tried a 240Hz monitor, but I just don’t see myself needing to get to that anytime soon. 165Hz feels right.
One of my buddies was one of the "the human cant see more than 24 fps thats why movies are like that" kids and we didnt know how to argue against that as 13 year hahaha olds hahaha
@@nx8749 I always just say well you don’t know what 24 frames your eyes will “render”. With more frame rates, you can gaurentee every frame you see will be a new one.
24 fps is the LOWER limit for humans perceiving images as motion, not the UPPER limit (which is waaaaay higher), and the reason why films are shot at 24fps, is so that they can save on time and effort when editing, if they recorded at 60fps, they'd have to do double the CGI work for example. That's the best way to explain it to them imo
These guys don't know what they're talking about. Gaming chairs are great! If you want to sleep get an office chair. As a gamer you must be on your toes with great posture for the quickest reactions!
@John Monk They say the same thing about "gaming" headsets. I don't know, but I guess that makes sense. Company wants to earn money, put gaming behind stuff and people will buy it for the status. Doesn't have to be as good for the same price range, just enough status to satisfy those types of people.
I love the tests it explains a lot and now everyone should have an understanding that it's not always the gamer or the software it can be multiple variables. Being able to see clearly and react quickly is key and competitive gaming.
@@C3lloman to clarify, every test they did had 60fps on a 60Hz monitor, 144fps on a 144hz monitor etc. if you are playing a game at 240fps on a 60Hz monitor all you're seeing is 60fps physically
@@goodtimesgofast22 No watch towards the end. They did one test with 300 FPS @ 60 Hz compared to 60 FPS @ 60 Hz and the result with 300 FPS was much better. So the bottom line is, you should first make sure your GPU outputs high FPS and only then consider monitor upgrade.
@@C3lloman I have no clue how this happens. We all saw the same video, and yet only 1 out of 4 people understood what was shown. FPS is absolutely the most important thing throughout all tests, as shown by Shroud on 300 FPS 60 Hz Double Doors.
I'm a fan of racing simulations, and I game on a 1440p monitor reduced to 1080p vertical (because old card). My FPS in game often range from 40ish to 60 on a 75Hz display. I often struggle at high speeds with identifying objects passing by in search for my breaking points and was craving for higher resolution to help me out (it would help for viewing distance, plus more details when coming closer); but I recently accidentaly discovered, when I found myself having an easier time on this, that higher FPS was making the image smoother and was helping a lot with this issue. So yeah, next panel will definitely be a 144 Hz IPS, when I can get a video card that can drive it for a decent price... I'd get 1440p 144 Hz anytime over 4k 60 FPS, since they are close equivalent in pixels per second (530M vs 498M); my current card can hardly push beyond 100-145M px/s at the lowest settings depending on titles and circumstances, so I'm a bit far off. XD
batt3ryac1d id be willing to argue most of the best plays in esport history under stressful situations are done with the player not breathing for a sec 😂
Who would the real pros be if we all had the most powerful hardware.... the people who pay them dont care who the real best are they just care they are watched so they can make money
Yup, rich people have all the fun. Which is kinda stupid, since they can use that same money to have lots of fun in real world instead of the virtual. Who needs simulated when you can have the real thing...
ive been playing games on 60fps 60 hz for 10 years now and since i bought my new 144hz monitor my skill has improved i feel like i have gotten better at flick shotting
Fun fact about Corey. On his previous teams, other teams refused to scrim them because they thought Corey was aimbotting. Corey became known as cocaine aim Corey.
30:20 I think the accurate way to put it is that if your game has input handling synchronized to output frames, you obviously want high FPS. For games that run input in parallel thread running at e.g. 1000 Hz the output frame rate has obviously zero effect on your input delay. Counter Strike would be an example of a game where input latency is defined by the output FPS (the frames rendered by the GPU, not the monitor).
You still get the most recent frame on monitor which is FPS/refresh_rate - 1 frames less input lag between screen and game engine. Full input lag consists of many things.
@@chupasaurus Yes, but input latency is from movement of the mouse to the game engine reacting to it. Some games run game physics loop in 1000 Hz and can accept mouse input 1000 events per second. On the other hand, games such as CS:GO read mouse and keyboard event *once* per rendered frame. As a result, you get better mouse movement tracking in the game engine if you have higher FPS because any curved mouse movement will be more accurately tracked.
@@MikkoRantalainen obviously replying to an old comment but exactly. It’s surprising how many people have trouble understanding this. A lot of older games had the input logic tied to the render logic and so higher fps even with your monitor not displaying them increases responsiveness. I’ve tried to in the past decouple input and render logic on older games but it tends to leave the game feeling somewhat strange.
@@MikkoRantalainen obviously replying to an old comment but exactly. It’s surprising how many people have trouble understanding this. A lot of older games had the input logic tied to the render logic and so higher fps even with your monitor not displaying them increases responsiveness. I’ve tried to in the past decouple input and render logic on older games but it tends to leave the game feeling somewhat strange.
@@flycrack7686 1.how is that bragging 2. Can't really afford itil I'm lucky enough to afford a phone. 3. Even if I had that spare I'd invest it to make more money.
I think so. With one ad, less than a dozen subjects, and probably a few thousand in spending, Nvidia put out the best evidence yet that the idea of "frames wins games" is evidence based. In the medical world, marketing material like this would need to be FDA reviewed before being shared. Obviously theres a lot less at stake in gaming vs with medicines, but it's interesting to me to see how differently these industries are regulated. Linus has occasionally spoken about how his statements during paid promotions are different from those he makes during his own content. I wonder to what extent his statements presented here are influenced by the fact that it's a paid promotion.
@@bigfootlive89 Yep, true. Also, while there are no Nvidia RTX boxes in the background of the end of the video. The background is overly green.... hmmm... Subliminal messaging anyone?
@Did You Know About The New MMORPG its totally free seriously? Cuss at someone for saying being single makes you a better gamer? Obviously it is because you have more time to play the game. His comment wasn't asinine. If he has less time to game then at least he is prioritizing his girl over gaming. Wtf is wrong with you people? A harmless comment turns people into demented SJWs cursing at people over stupidity
How do yall think that's rude? Sure it doesnt apply to everyone, but not having a spouse or whatever will obviously give you more alone time to practice. He didnt say he wishes he was single or anything. Get a life
Well that was interesting. Idea for 2022: Rematch, but evaluating resolution VS refresh rate (240-360 Hz 1080p vs 144 Hz 1440p vs 60 Hz 4k). That'd be GREAT.
@@tspooner01 Samsung Oddsey G7 is 550$…does 1440p 240hz And many others are definitely under 1000$ Research before you speak some nonsense man. This ain’t 2018 or whatever anymore
Coffee does make you focus. I see him drink coffee when he streams. Maybe that's the secret it's not wonder why he was slow on this video because he didn't get coffee.
Bruh, wanna see the fastest csgo player ever? Play matchmaking, their reaction time is like 0.000001 ms plus they can see through the walls, epic gamer.
He might have been trying to get them to think he was going to pop up at the edge of the crosshairs rather than the centre, trying to get them used to showing up off centre and decreasing their expectations of the centre of the crosshairs.
I noticed my settings weren't to 144Hz like they should and when i switched, i instantly noticed a difference. Felt like putting my glasses on after a long time without them. And that's from someone who usually doesn't see that much differences in those things
A Dad here. (And one who did it as a single parent, too.) You kind of get used to interrupted sleep schedules. Twice a night wasn't bad for a newborn. After about 4-6 weeks, the kid should settle down into a regular rhythm.
@matt karl All I can say is "Your mileage may vary." Sadly, my teen (almost adult) like to stay up well past me chasing her off to bed. So, it doesn't get better as they get older. :P
Nvidia did a demo in their presentation that shows that it still does. Also even if response times become irrelevant motion blur will still keep improving well into the thousands of Hz
@@mybeautifulcat7011 probably not the central nervous part of the eye but the peripheral side of the eye can certainly do , since its connected to the subconscious mind.
"60 fps gamers are at a disavantage compared to higher fps gamers" Struggling to keep 30 frames on some games meant to be playable on "low end computers"
@@ileryon4019 More to gaming than mere reaction timing. Reading the flow and your opponent is far more important and thats what wins games. This is why he's good.
His reaction time was insane though he got like around 170 ms on most of his shots except one when he was talking to linus. The average human reaction time is 250 ms I believe and I think generally gamers get around 225 so that's just insane to get 160-170 range especially on a 60 hz monitor. Pros are generally above average but even then Shroud is ahead of the curve. In fact Linus and even Paul seem to have pretty amazing reaction time.
Just tested my reaction time on human benchmark. I'm in the 38th percentile with 261ms so it's clear why I don't enjoy FPS games a lot. On the other hand with my verbal memory in the 96th percentile, it's clear why I enjoy RPG games.
great idea and video, would've loved to see a completely double blind experiment, where neither of you know which computer has how many frames. and only find out at the end of all the trials!
Not a bad idea for non gamers but with the people he used it would have been kinda pointless. You can see the differences especially from going 60 to 144. Noticing 144 to 240 would be harder but for pro level gamers who are more used to it it may not be that hard. If you noticed one the first things they check is quickly flicking from side to side, seeing how smooth the display is.
8:07 Imagine you go to get a glass of water in the middle of the night. You hear a strange noise behind you. You turn on the lights and look, and there's Linus doing this face.
In my own experience, hopping from 60Hz to 144Hz was a big difference in feeling and as for most fps players when I jumped from 144Hz to 240Hz the difference was there but not as much as the previous jump, although for a short period of time I had to jump back to 144Hz and it was literally as bad for me as 60Hz. When experiencing 240Hz anything below that felt just as bad, even 144Hz.
I went back to 144hz from 240 hz. It just feels better and my speed to target and headshots are right on. I wonder if my eyes are not built for anything beyond 144 hz (laughing hard). Where DOES the madness end?!
@@MikeHawk-02 Totally understand your reasoning. I have more time on the 240hz, however, as I still use it for my everyday monitor vs gaming just for wear and tear purposes. BTW, 240 hz monitors don't last as long as 144hz monitors (personal experience only).
@@Gr8FriknApe the part where 144Hz monitor last longer is def true in my experince as well, I still own the first 144Hz monitor (Asus VG278HE) and it still works fine and I use it as my 2nd monitor now that I have a 240Hz one
literally me xD i wasnt able to upgrade my setup in 6 years. im still running 16GB 1600mHz DDR3 RAM (which i won at gamescom 2012!) with an i7 3770k and a GTX 970, which is known for its issues. And all this on a 60Hz BENQ GL2450... no wonder i cant run either pubg or apex at consistent 60fps. one reason i am mainly playing casual mmo or indie games currently and have been for quite some time :(
@@infern0soracle330 I have an i7 980x (6 core from 2010) w/12gb ram and a GTX 970, and it runs most games at WELL over 60fps... (granted, I choose frames over image quality and play with most settings on low/medium at best). Our machines aren't THAT different, I wonder if maybe your machine isn't performing as well as it's actually capable of? I can give you my OC settings for my GTX 970, if you're at all interested and think it might help?
A master piece of a video, i give a huge thanks for this kind of videos that needs an effort of thinking about the casual answer that anyone who have played once at least videogames ask himself, but nobody makes it because it's too hard enough. Not only we learn gaming stuff, it is physics aplied to life, and give a truly understanding of how our brain works.
also cuz AWP is not accurate at this range. really surprised shroud did not point that out because it has a huge impact on the accuracy of the experiment.
and the problem with that is he directly influenced the test because dead centre definitely makes it more likely for the high FPS one to take it. Shame.
@@rotaryking100 You missed blitheringbrooks point, pewdiecancer fantard. The choice of the player makes the outcome of the test biased, even if higher fps is better. Don't use 'though'' the term 'though'' when there is 'though'' NO CONTRADICTION IN THE SENTENCE ''though''.
@@rocksparadox you missed my point. Though, Linus decided to pop up in the middle the test was to prove which player had the best reaction time with the equipment provided, it's not necessarily a skill based test. You must be fun at parties Also you're incorrect 'though' can be used at the end of a sentence in place of the word regardless Lastly calling me a fantard because of who I'm subbed to is extremely childish. Especially when it has nothing to do with the video. You literally went out of your way to see if I was subbed to PewDiePie lol
he missed to mention the most important part at 11:13 is not the rendering, but the server feedback between both the clients and the server to where his hitbox was when he jumped. which is the biggest factor in response time when it comes to hitting something in the game. If it were a local feedback, that werent depending on Client to client registration that jumps back and forth between a server it would be giving a different result.
"Is 240 fps better?" Me, with an average fps ranging from 10-20 on average games: _p e r h a p s_ Please stop replying things like "juSt bUy A grApiCs CaRd" or "JuSt geT a BeTteR pC". I have better specs now.
This doesn’t make sense because the human eye can only see up to 2gb of ram
This doesn't make sense because the human eye can only see 64 pixels on a frame
This doesn’t make sense because the human eye can only see 1800 watts
This doesn’t make any sense, the human can only see for 1 light year(I know it is a distance)
This doesn't make sense because the human ear cannot see
Absolute nonsense, the human eye can't see up to 2 gb of ram, I'll have you know the human eye can only taste 1.2ghz
inside our heart we all know that skills, fps, refresh rate etc. doesn't make you a better gamer. RGB does.
Why do you copy the exact same comment?
spread the truth
But not more than the gaming chair
Weapon skins as well
@@Spiriluli fuck it make the chair rgb
I just moved from PS4 to PC and played GTA V. I gotta say 60fps strip club is better than 30fps strip club. The dance was so fluid...
XD bro
bruh
I can confirm
Now try cyberpunk
@@bhopirl4552 tbh, Im going to wait until everything is patched up and optimized. I dont wanna pay big bucks for a rushed game
I was kinda surprised that everyone thought it was such a step from 60 to 144, as i bought an 144hz monitor last year, but hadnt noticed any difference at all the first half year. Then i found out by mistake that i manually had to change from 60 to 144 and holy cow. I was lost, but now im found.
bro thats some pain in the a*s, good you found out now! xD
I factory reset my computer and it defaulted to 60hz I realized after a month but we good now
@@n64slayer Windows resets back to 60 fps pretty much after every nvidia driver update
People 60 fps is enough if you are a casual gamer you don't need 240 fps or 120 it's just not as noticeable
@@franciscomuler6069100% noticeable, I play Fortnite tried 60 fps to 240 fps and let me tell you 144fps is the best after that it doesn’t make much difference but the milli second delays specially for builds it’s night and day
"Does high fps make you a better gamer?"
well, 10 fps definitely doesn't
High HZ AND fps.
:/
🤣
been there more often the 10 fps
Nanda Yahya Dude ive played 10fps for lengths of time on games before lmao I know
They nerfed shroud by not giving him his coffee
haha
Lol
DARK GOD And his g pro wireless
They needed to keep him in human form otherwise the results would be messed up by 100%! 😂
Shivaxi
Biggest surprise of this video is how well Linus did.
Linus is actually good at aiming, and this was just an aiming test where the player was stationary. He's talked about on WAN how he likes to be a sniper in games for that reason, it's all about aiming and not so much about moving and shooting fast.
I didn't see anyone take any oaths about the validity of Linus' results.... hahaha
Yeah
Truly.....
They should of included Battle(non)Sense... He does netcode analysis games for a living on TH-cam
went from 75hz onto like 165 hz monitor actually was a massive improvement, I feel as if it allowed me to use my full range of skill
Already set your monitor refresh rate to 165hz right? I forgot to do mine for like 2 months
@@narottamakarunanidhi1731 yes
And i found out i just suck
@@glenreed9068👴🏻
do you think i should upgrade from a 75hz to 165hz?
Now lets test a 100ms ping vs the casual 30ms ping and see if the ping is the reason i'm getting smoked.
Yes let's look into this
People need to upvote this
I'd love to see the difference of 1ms 30ms 100ms 300ms... we all know 300ms is just terrible and a very noticable lag but be cool to have as a reference point... now how to control the latency so it doesnt fluctuate during testing?
I was Testing it. I Played a little around with a friend and we came to the conclusion that when your Ping is like 100 and you are getting peeked you have the disadvantage and when you run to cover your body is lagging behind so you can get shot even tho you are already in Cover on your screen. This disadvantage gets worse the higher your ping's getting. And no a higher ping doesn't give you more peekers Advantage bc even tho you have more time before the enemy can see you, your shots are also getting registered with a delay. Sorry for my grammar xD english is not my first language
@@lucasimonelli5038 It does give you greater peakers advantage but you will receive input (hit/kill marker) later, which matters often when there are multiple enemies.
"So you're more comfortable shooting at human targets?"
"Oh, yeah. Most definitely."
hahahahha
Love it!
love this comment
"FBI want to know ur location"
thats so odd i at looked down at the comments 20 min in and read this at the exact same time it was said
You should send some of those PC's to me so I can do the test myself and confirm the results..
Then sell them.
Hello Hooman and sell the results as well
And me too, because obviously you need more subjects
i agree send this man those pc's
Don't put that much work on your shoulder let me help you
It’s interesting that 60hz with 300fps was within margin of error of 144hz/fps, would be interesting to see more tests with that!
this alone shows different things already:
- more fps IS important or at least DOES make a difference, even on low hz
- this isn't a study and you shouldn't take any of the results actually for granted just because some people that are used to high refresh rates think that high refresh rates were great...
@@nadvic1797 yes, this was really surprising to me, it seems a sub 150fps adds quite significant input lag as well as display lag of where the enemy actually is? - regardless of display refresh rate, interesting. I wonder if this is something that can be addressed in software or what else is causing this effect.
@@DigiDriftZone it’s due to the mouse or controller input “polling” at 1000hz or whatever. So your inputs match what is rendered more closely at greater internal FPS (144 or 240fps), even if display output is 60fps. I notice a difference in camera movement responsiveness on an Xbox if I change display settings to 120fps, even if the game is locked at 60fps. The controller input is matching the frames at 120hz in the game engine. So it has 2 thumb stick updates per frame instead of one. It averages then for Greater accuracy. Similar to how iPhone screens touch input is 120hz but screen is 60fps.
wish they did all the test with this setup also
@@MyThingsRedux I noticed that myself. Playing on Xbox, I set the framerate to 120 fps mode on Overwatch - even if I’m only playing on a 60 hz display. The reason is because the input feels much better.
Shroud without coffee : have an average response time in a pro gamer category
Shroud with coffee : Human Aimbot
Its like buff ob mobile legend
I doubt he drinks coffe while playing, it makes your hands shake. Pure guarana is much better in that case, gives you better concentration and reaction speed without shaky hands.
@@tyr8338 where u get that from, the guaraná stuff
@@7yan838 You can buy it in apothecary, just check ingrident list before purchase because guarana is often sold with caffeine mixed in and it would still make your hands shake.
@@tyr8338 in Perú we have guaraná from guaraná sodas does that count? Hajajahaja
"I will be trickiest as I can"
*peek right in the middle*
Thieu Quang Trung I was actually super impressed with Shroud’s guess there, Linus’ comment hardly gave the game away and I think it reflected a very good analysis on Shroud’s part. Sorry to hijack your comment.
@@henrysymes nah dude they were in sync, he knew what he was thinking
that's ironically tricky.
That was an unfair way to end the round
@@bladerj I Really think this was scripted,on a situation like that 60-240 dont make that big difference,
like shroud said in the end,its right in the heat of the moment that there is tons of movement in the screen that it matter....
Conclusion: even non pay-to-win games are pay-to-win.
Someone just stamp all of shrouds part please?
Bro, if you are a noob, nothing will help you.
GreekGod, I'm not sure what's his name, he had 240Hz monitor, but played on 60 for loooooong time. 🤣🤣🤣
ESPECIALLY online shooters
@@KEROVSKI_ this video showed that casual players (which most noobs are) actually get the best performance boost from upgrading their setup 🤷🏼♂
@@snapshot112 no one is denying that my friend. I agree with you.
I went from 60 to 165hz and my god i never knew it was that much of a difference..
i went from 60 to 240 and i screamed
do you think i should upgrade to 165hz from 75hz
@@itstuxzy3982 I did. its worth it.
@@JamesMKE i just switched too but my gpu cant run 165hz so i gotta upgrade my gpu
@@itstuxzy3982 that's weird.
We still don't know if Shroud is a human or not.
Overrated
Actually neither of them are humans
For now DIzzyy is better than all..
he is. Yamu and neoninja aren't tho
So true
"So you're definitely more comfortable, shooting at human targets"
"Yeah, absolutly 100%"
Hope no one takes that one out of context
Edit: To appease the grammar naizs :P
Karen: "Video game causes violence"
I mean you just did
Literally checked to see if anyone posted this before I posted it lmao
definitely*
@Otawi a fan of shooting humans?
I was born in 30 FPS
Molded by it
By the time I saw 144 HZ, I was already a man
And at that point it was nothing to me but blinding
PAIN
This quote is too good
I have to wear sunglasses to watch tv on these new 4k screens.
😂😂😂😂
Haha, I remember playing Medal Of Honor Allied Assault online as a kid with 15-20fps on an outdated PC for more than a year in the early 2000s.
After I got a new PC that could deliver the required fps for my 80hz CRT-monitor I became an unstoppable fragging machine because everything suddenly felt so smooth.
as someone who went from 60hz, to 240hz, i can say the difference is really big, on 60hz you need to learn how to hit enemies before they are on your crosshair, while on 240hz you can actually hit them when they are there, when i was on 60hz i thought the guns in the game were like that, but then when i moved to 240 suddenly i couldnt hit shots anymore, since i was used to the delay i would always shoot before they actually were on my crosshair, for like a month i couldnt hit a single shot when i played on 240, i even searched to see if it was only my monitor that was a fake 240hz or smth lol.
I went from console 60hz on fort to pc 240hz got used to it, but now that i played on 144hz its more smooth and realise thar 240 is too fast for the human eye, sometimes it gets blurry to see oponnents ill say 144hz is the sweet spot 340hz is overboard
@@Koragh_ 240hz vs 144hz is noticeable lol 144hz is choppy to me so idk what you mean by human eye cant see past 240hz lmfao
i think its the compute power that makes the difference as seen in this test. higher fps means it computes faster so ur input is less delayed and u hit ur shots. i rather have 300fps and 144 hz than 300hz and 144 fps. clearly visible in these tests.
@@Koragh_ It depends on the monitor, some are more blurry at high refresh rates and some have special tech to make it less blurry like DyAC+ on the BenQ Zowie XL2746k
I got a 240 hz but cant feel the difference ):
" FPS doesn't make you a better gamer, but makes it easier to be a better gamer"
It's same as running marathon on high heels, u can run it... But it will effect your performance.
My brother play on 60 fps League Of Legends, he's Diamond 1 now... And no matter if I use 144hz monitor he still destroy me easily.
@@gytispranskunas4984 league can run on a potato tho
@@Luv-dq5th it can run on 4K max settings pretty well
@@gytispranskunas4984 monitors doesnt really matter in league
Me: *Looks at my PC*
My PC: "3, take it or leave it"
I hate how relatable this is
Dam I don't get it
@@luiseduardo199 3 frames, play or not.
@@lumi5164 3 frames per second? I'm lost bro
Mine runs CS source at like 30fps and it lags
I love how they’re all actually really interested instead of just being there for the sake of being there
why wouldn't they be interested?
sometimes they get paid for these types of things, and end up not liking it at all. The ones where this doesn't happen, don't show up on your feed.
Its interesting for them cause they are also gamers and not only that but pros too.
well theyre trying to answer questions we have been asking ourselves :) loved the different test for example good fps on a 60 hz vs bad fps on a 60hz
My guy who makes rocket league training packs! I think I played one today actually lmao
Both FPS and screen resolution fall into the rule of "diminishing returns". Where you'll have to increase twice as much as before only to get half as much as you used to.
Since upgrading from 60 FPS to 144, my kd on cod has shot up from 0.41 to 0.48. I think I’m ready to burst onto the pro scene.
My k/d has been over 1.00 my last 10 games. I'm a lot smoother in my movements and setting the sensitivity up to 7 increases my response time. Purchased an HP 24Xi monitor that outputs 144hz at 1080p. I'm happy with my purchase.
My kd is 1.63 on console, imma switch to 240 fps next month
🌚🙏
Wow imma upgrade to 300hz
Lol it will be another few years till I have 240hz then 360hz will be the standard :/
It’s not FPS that makes you better it’s your RGB and gaming chair
RGB increases fps so that's win win i guess
Itzz Lolo true facts
You don't say
LulZo
Truth^
Holy crap... Can we take a moment to appreciate Linus for getting shroud from all the comments :O on the last video
That's why I find this channel so entertaining. First he gets Gav from SlowMoGuys to show up and help film the previous video on this. Then when people say "You should have gotten Shroud", Linus just goes "Alright, let's just get Shroud". What a mad lad.
Thank Nvidia for paying for the flights :P
I get way more stoked when he has other legit tech youtubers on than any of the gamers. Paul and Bitwit! Hell ya come over anytime guys!
Yeah, I was actually impressed they got Shroud.
About 2-3 years ago I went from a 60 hz monitor to a 144 hz monitor and could easily tell the difference in my gameplay between the two. I realized that everything is far less stuttery in my directional movements, which gives my eyes a easier time tracking opponents. Albeit I am not a huge FPS gamer, I play a lot more MOBAs and can say that the difference there is highly noticeable as well. Sometime in the future I will be moving up to 240 or higher hz monitors and will see if those help as significant as the switch from 60 to 144 did. Hopefully so, as I always like seeing that my abilities aren't slightly hampered by technological setbacks
I recently switched from 60z to 144hz and i see everything so clearly. I play fps and moba games, i didnt see much difference in LoL but in fps games there is a huge difference. I still have to get used to playing fps games on 144hz bc my eyes were so used to seeing blurriness when turning. It makes a difference even when doing everyday tasks on the computer
Was never huge into FPSs, but got really good at R6S and all the war sims these days are way more competitive. Definitely in the top 15%, wonder where I’d be if I upgraded to 144?
I didn't notice any difference between 165 fps/Hz and 240 fps/Hz tbh. You might, but I didn't. If you could test it out I would deffo recommend doing so. I saw something a few years back and only a couple of the top e-sports players could accurately tell the higher fps rates from the 144fps/Hz "standard" of the time.
Shroud has the most “i need caffeine or I will actually die” voice
thats the voice adderall addicts make when they out of adderall
@@sebbo9696 frl?
@@bobpro583 no it's the "i've smoked 12 packs of cigarettes a day since the age of 4 " voice
He sounds like Principal Skinner.
That's the codeine voice lmao. Man sounds like white lil Wayne
Linus: I'm gonna be stealthy for this last kill
Linus:*appears dead center on shroud's crosshair*
center for both. this is a test for reaction and shroud response more faster this moment.
Lmao
ikr lol
Adriano Figueira Gil not reaction actually it’s at this point where 240hz shows it’s advantages , like even linus would have won that against cory if he was using the 240hz monitor.
@@jojoo4094 Still , remember that Shroud's response time is faster than us.
"Want a Redbull?"
"What about coffee?"
MY MAN
Gotta give it to him, he's great at marketing
Madrina’s dawg
@@BotBrendan efreeeeeeeeeeeeeereereeereeefeererereergereererfregeeeeeeteeeefrereehhreeeeerfeerer
Genius
he always recycles.
This video, when it came out a few years ago, actually motivated me to finally pull the trigger on a high refresh rate gaming monitor. Going from a 60 monitor to 144 was the best upgrade I ever made. I highly recommend it for anyone thinking about it.
once on 144 hz you'll never want to go lower , i feel ya .
You will not feel bad if you go to 240hz. Since 360hz monitors already on the market and is selling for hundreds more in a 24-inch screen at the time of this comment.
My wallet doesn't recommended it
But the human I can't register far beyond 144 Hz or 240 thos so way all the hipe of more fps rate it is point less and a waste of money
@@jesussancen7459 on call of duty duty, that 240hz guy will win most duels
finally, something to blame other than my teammates
hahaha
you can always blame our lord and savior lucifer
@Rigidgamer56 There is more then enough to complain about.
@@chippark8600 wtf
@RigidMC keyboard, table, air, light
Me : *loaded with caffeine, pops 185ms average*
Me : INHUMAN REACTIONS
Shroud : *pops constant 165-170ms*
Shroud : I'm so slow
In his years of glory he had like 140ms
Me: *with caffeine directly injected into my veins, 285ms average :(*
The best I can do is 210ms, as a 32 year old.
@@LurkerPatrol where do you even test such a thing?
@@Dazecore Google "human benchmark". They have a small array of tests, one of them being reaction time.
I've never thought I’d see shroud on this channel lol
I saw shroud and immediately upvoted kkkkkk
Eduardo Nagano what the fuck is upvoting? This is TH-cam
I'm a big fan of Shroud, but tbh LTT is bigger than Shroud lol I love videos like this
That I'd see shroud*
@@campitbull6226 srry, I immediately LIKED
The double doors at 60mhz explanation absolutely reminds me of the "lag" behind the players movement in OSRS, but in reverse..because this isn't a network/tick interval test.
OSRS movement is so satisfying when it clicks
"are we on 64 tick?" is the most CS:GO thing I've heard in my life
because 64 ticks is cancer....
He was interping 😂
I miss so many awp shots on 64...
hahaha but it does make a big difference
@@vehementtoast83 kinsi66 did a test comparing 128 and 64 with people entering a server and predicting the tick rate at the end of the dm server the results were interesting it was 50 50. Tickrate does matter but not as much as you think
linus - 60 fps is bad
me- (getting 30 fps) today is a lucky day
@Murad i think you have also experienced my pain:(
@Murad will gta 5 work on i3 6006u 4gb ram intel hd 520 ?? Plz tell
But I play 60 fps on ps4 pro he just said my £400 machine is bad then U_U
@metal_ak4 if i was gettin 30fps on my pc id just get a console and hook up a mouse and keyboard lol. everyones different and everyone has their reasons for stuff but me personally if im not getting better performance or graphics on my computer than i would on a console i dont see the point in playing on a computer. id just load up a browser and vid on one monitor and then play console on the other if i wanna game. now i know finances are big factor in all that so.
I treat 30FPS like the ultra-high experience I can get.. what IS 60fps?
Linus: calls Shroud a Twitch streamer
Mixer: 😡😡😡
to be fair he was still on twitch when they filmed this over a month ago
I totally missed that LMAO!!
@@themightyredemption More then likely!! LOL
Hey, at least Linus pinned the comment, lol.
Kyle Gruber That’s why Linus is the boss man.
I'm curious as to the differences that are demonstrated between players. For example, on the double doors results (17:02), 60 to 144 made a big difference, but 144 to 240 made very little difference for the pros, and yet Linus and Paul improved dramatically. So, basically, it seems to me that the skills of a casual player (if Linus can be called that) can be buffed through better tech, but the pros eventually reach a plateau where the tech doesn't help nearly as much, showing where their real potential truly lies. As an old gamer who's average and declining, playing with the server desync on Roblox with a 10 yo laptop, upgrading to a new computer eliminated the problems I experienced that were causing me to fail more...But didn't make a big difference where speed and accuracy (without lag) were required.
So, higher refresh is very helpful but higher FPS is much more important. I think these tests show that there's a sweet spot for improvement via tech, and it lies between 144 and 240 FPS, with higher refresh, but I'm not sure where. Very interesting!
Videos like this are of much more interest to me than your fluff videos.
I agree. For me, the sweet spot is 165 Hz. Never tried a 240Hz monitor, but I just don’t see myself needing to get to that anytime soon. 165Hz feels right.
Grimmmz out here looking like he should be playing bass for Metallica
Lmao
He looks like he should be doing ads for hair straighteners.
YuriDavy you’re not wrong hahaha
Head & Shoulders is looking to sign him...
Disclaimer: this is a joke
Or making the next Quake/Doom game with John Carmack...
One of my buddies was one of the "the human cant see more than 24 fps thats why movies are like that" kids and we didnt know how to argue against that as 13 year hahaha olds hahaha
What is the argument for this please help lmao
@@nx8749 I always just say well you don’t know what 24 frames your eyes will “render”. With more frame rates, you can gaurentee every frame you see will be a new one.
Show him the ufo test on blurbusters
24 fps is the LOWER limit for humans perceiving images as motion, not the UPPER limit (which is waaaaay higher), and the reason why films are shot at 24fps, is so that they can save on time and effort when editing, if they recorded at 60fps, they'd have to do double the CGI work for example.
That's the best way to explain it to them imo
True i got that friend aswell.. btw.. meine Frau liebt deine Videos haha
This must have taken a ton of work to put together. Congrats guys.
Its called job, it is their job and they make lots of money
@@MilosCsrb They still put much effort into it? What do you wanna say now lmao
@@MilosCsrb Something being a job does not mitigate the fact that a lot of work went into it.
@@MilosCsrb what does your comment have to do with what he said?
Went from 60hz to 165hz last month, in the f2p fps ironsight, i went from hitting 70 kill games, to over 100. Very noticeable difference.
Waiting on mine can’t wait
@@pStar58 Hopefully it's soon, it's all the difference as a first time user bro, believe me when I say you will never go back.
@@mousycritter I just made the same upgrade + 1440p from 1080... what have I been doing all these years pepeHands
it's so beautiful
@@rokikshasas Lol fr, I can't really afford a good gaming rig tho but its alright.
oh shoot, i tried someone friends pc and play battlefield. and your right, i got 10 kills to 2 kills :). hz really improves your pro gameplay
Linus this could be a huge series inviting pro’s to do different tests like this monthly
I agree with this guy!!! I want more of this!!!
Monthly seems too optimistic.
Like one with high resoulution vs low res
i dont think you realize how much money this video costs...it needs to seriously pay out...renting the cameras alone....
The pro would need a nice contract from mixer
We all know that it's their gaming chair that makes a difference
John Monk bruh chill out i ain’ fucking with you vibe
The best 'gaming' chair is an ergonomic office chair from the likes of Steelcase or Herman Miller.
And their downloaded RAM
These guys don't know what they're talking about. Gaming chairs are great! If you want to sleep get an office chair. As a gamer you must be on your toes with great posture for the quickest reactions!
@John Monk They say the same thing about "gaming" headsets.
I don't know, but I guess that makes sense.
Company wants to earn money, put gaming behind stuff and people will buy it for the status.
Doesn't have to be as good for the same price range, just enough status to satisfy those types of people.
"twitch streamers"
"Shroud"
Uh oh
KEKW
pepeLaugh
They lack critical information
@DMoney Industry summit 1 gram
Boomers PepeLaugh
I love the tests it explains a lot and now everyone should have an understanding that it's not always the gamer or the software it can be multiple variables. Being able to see clearly and react quickly is key and competitive gaming.
everyone has the same software wtf r u saying
Yes if u buy the best u will be the best
Shroud was using 2% of his brain because he didn't get his coffee
😂😂😂
240 percent truth
imagine him on drugs, don't ya... ehh
@@xDE_SOL4TIONx Shroud doped ? I think could conquer the World :)
Guess you talking bout his redbulls xD
Deep down we all know it's the gaming chair that matters😔
Ahh yes, of corse!
this shit low key true lmao
WEAR GAMING SOCKS. I was able to hit 100% more shots
no its the rgb
lol gaming chair = better performance
Summary: 240 Hz makes you transcend time and space.
240 FPS more precisely, it seems Hz thing was the minor factor here.
@@C3lloman what? the fps just helps the input lag, the hz helps your eyes see what they should see.
240hz 8k golden mantra when?
@@C3lloman to clarify, every test they did had 60fps on a 60Hz monitor, 144fps on a 144hz monitor etc. if you are playing a game at 240fps on a 60Hz monitor all you're seeing is 60fps physically
@@goodtimesgofast22 No watch towards the end. They did one test with 300 FPS @ 60 Hz compared to 60 FPS @ 60 Hz and the result with 300 FPS was much better. So the bottom line is, you should first make sure your GPU outputs high FPS and only then consider monitor upgrade.
@@C3lloman I have no clue how this happens. We all saw the same video, and yet only 1 out of 4 people understood what was shown. FPS is absolutely the most important thing throughout all tests, as shown by Shroud on 300 FPS 60 Hz Double Doors.
I'm a fan of racing simulations, and I game on a 1440p monitor reduced to 1080p vertical (because old card). My FPS in game often range from 40ish to 60 on a 75Hz display. I often struggle at high speeds with identifying objects passing by in search for my breaking points and was craving for higher resolution to help me out (it would help for viewing distance, plus more details when coming closer); but I recently accidentaly discovered, when I found myself having an easier time on this, that higher FPS was making the image smoother and was helping a lot with this issue.
So yeah, next panel will definitely be a 144 Hz IPS, when I can get a video card that can drive it for a decent price... I'd get 1440p 144 Hz anytime over 4k 60 FPS, since they are close equivalent in pixels per second (530M vs 498M); my current card can hardly push beyond 100-145M px/s at the lowest settings depending on titles and circumstances, so I'm a bit far off. XD
Bro you might just wanna buy an Xbox/ps5 n save some money😂
@@tonyrose354 Nah; shortly after I upgraded my gfx and can now drive my pannel adequately. Still saved money over a console.
"we got some twitch streamers" *shows footage of shrouds mixer reveal*
Twitch is the standard brand when it comes to streaming services. Its like when you order a Pepsi / Coke but you just want some Cola.
Well it was filmed before he moved to mixer.
@@ekspressmusic u kidding right? this was a blunder by them. What part of "Mixer reveal footage" you didnt get xD
@@ekspressmusic wtf
@@ClaudioBOsorio my point was that it was filmed before mixer and edited after. Mistake or not, it dosnt matter.
Linus, You need to run this test again with Shroud on coffee sips.
Gonna have to. Shroud without coffee is like everyone else playing while holding their breath.
batt3ryac1d id be willing to argue most of the best plays in esport history under stressful situations are done with the player not breathing for a sec 😂
Not on just any coffee but shroud branded coffee
Don’t you mean ADDERALL
Honestly this is realistic but coffee is what shroud breathes
So another case of
"You're not ugly, you're just poor"
yess
Best comment ever
* sad kermit face *
Feels bad bro
Who would the real pros be if we all had the most powerful hardware.... the people who pay them dont care who the real best are they just care they are watched so they can make money
Yup, rich people have all the fun. Which is kinda stupid, since they can use that same money to have lots of fun in real world instead of the virtual. Who needs simulated when you can have the real thing...
ive been playing games on 60fps 60 hz for 10 years now and since i bought my new 144hz monitor my skill has improved i feel like i have gotten better at flick shotting
Linus: "I'm going to be as tricky as I can!"
**pops up in dead center**
That was the joke...
DOES LIGHTER MICE MAKE YOU A BETTER GAMER???
@@seif6910 Better English does.
@@sthlcrx why did you have to do him like that lmaooooo
He does not want shroud to be embarrassed. Plus, in the real game reflection is only one of many skills.
Fun fact about Corey. On his previous teams, other teams refused to scrim them because they thought Corey was aimbotting. Corey became known as cocaine aim Corey.
True
W8. Why cocaine?
@@lPelado Adderall was already an Overwatch/Twitch meme for somebody else.
Let's not forget about the time when he singlehandedly rolled and smoke ltt hometown team and number 1 seed Vancouver Titans
@@JustNatanel Just Corey things.
1:14 "lets get down to business shall we?"
me: "after a message from our sponsor"
linus:
linus: "so to measure the impact..."
me: wait that's illegal
Lmfaoo first time he has not add a message from their sponsor
If any video starts with a message “Sponsored by (whoever)”, ofc there won’t be any message
before u realize the entire video is a Nvidia sponsor
i know the video is nvidia sponsored, but your brain is still waiting for that sponsor spot, especially because of that pause that he did lmao
30:20 I think the accurate way to put it is that if your game has input handling synchronized to output frames, you obviously want high FPS. For games that run input in parallel thread running at e.g. 1000 Hz the output frame rate has obviously zero effect on your input delay. Counter Strike would be an example of a game where input latency is defined by the output FPS (the frames rendered by the GPU, not the monitor).
You still get the most recent frame on monitor which is FPS/refresh_rate - 1 frames less input lag between screen and game engine. Full input lag consists of many things.
@@chupasaurus Yes, but input latency is from movement of the mouse to the game engine reacting to it. Some games run game physics loop in 1000 Hz and can accept mouse input 1000 events per second. On the other hand, games such as CS:GO read mouse and keyboard event *once* per rendered frame. As a result, you get better mouse movement tracking in the game engine if you have higher FPS because any curved mouse movement will be more accurately tracked.
@@MikkoRantalainen obviously replying to an old comment but exactly. It’s surprising how many people have trouble understanding this. A lot of older games had the input logic tied to the render logic and so higher fps even with your monitor not displaying them increases responsiveness. I’ve tried to in the past decouple input and render logic on older games but it tends to leave the game feeling somewhat strange.
@@MikkoRantalainen obviously replying to an old comment but exactly. It’s surprising how many people have trouble understanding this. A lot of older games had the input logic tied to the render logic and so higher fps even with your monitor not displaying them increases responsiveness. I’ve tried to in the past decouple input and render logic on older games but it tends to leave the game feeling somewhat strange.
Linus : 60 fps is bad
Me: Cries in 720p 24fps
just upgrade!
@@flycrack7686 not everyone can afford it
@@Luna-km2zr really you are telling me you cant afford an used pc with ryzen/ram/gpu but you have the time to brag about? doesnt make sense!
@@flycrack7686 i just upgraded before i read your comment, but thanks tho, didn't know what i can do without you
yet i can cry in 1080 60fps now :D
@@flycrack7686 1.how is that bragging 2. Can't really afford itil I'm lucky enough to afford a phone. 3. Even if I had that spare I'd invest it to make more money.
"Frames wins games" Nvidia's marketing department is punching the air right now
And high refresh rate monitor company
That's why they sponsored this video....
Well they do.
I think so. With one ad, less than a dozen subjects, and probably a few thousand in spending, Nvidia put out the best evidence yet that the idea of "frames wins games" is evidence based. In the medical world, marketing material like this would need to be FDA reviewed before being shared. Obviously theres a lot less at stake in gaming vs with medicines, but it's interesting to me to see how differently these industries are regulated. Linus has occasionally spoken about how his statements during paid promotions are different from those he makes during his own content. I wonder to what extent his statements presented here are influenced by the fact that it's a paid promotion.
@@bigfootlive89 Yep, true. Also, while there are no Nvidia RTX boxes in the background of the end of the video. The background is overly green.... hmmm... Subliminal messaging anyone?
Being single makes you a better gamer.
I see you are a man of culture as well
@Did You Know About The New MMORPG its totally free seriously? Cuss at someone for saying being single makes you a better gamer? Obviously it is because you have more time to play the game. His comment wasn't asinine. If he has less time to game then at least he is prioritizing his girl over gaming. Wtf is wrong with you people? A harmless comment turns people into demented SJWs cursing at people over stupidity
How do yall think that's rude? Sure it doesnt apply to everyone, but not having a spouse or whatever will obviously give you more alone time to practice. He didnt say he wishes he was single or anything. Get a life
That's so true bruh
LMAOO
Well that was interesting.
Idea for 2022: Rematch, but evaluating resolution VS refresh rate (240-360 Hz 1080p vs 144 Hz 1440p vs 60 Hz 4k). That'd be GREAT.
The best is 1440p 240Hz.
@@tspooner01 Samsung Oddsey G7 is 550$…does 1440p 240hz
And many others are definitely under 1000$
Research before you speak some nonsense man.
This ain’t 2018 or whatever anymore
@@ItzKamo definitely…1440p 240hz is ideal
@@ItzKamoNah, 8K 1000hz is better
This
"hey, you could beat me here."
-shroud giving false hope for linus.
I was hyped at 22:52, and when it cames to 3-1 for Linus. I enjoyed every second of it lol
Next episode: Does high FPS make you a better person?
Imagine the testing method lmao
nah cos real life is locked at 30
Ur ear can only see 10 frames per random access memory ghz
DEFINITELY !! more fps = more money
Yes.
Shroud accidentally reveals himself to be a gaming mutant who operates on coffee.
He even has/had his own coffee
@@timstricker9140 he handed
Coffee does make you focus. I see him drink coffee when he streams. Maybe that's the secret it's not wonder why he was slow on this video because he didn't get coffee.
Caffeine bru caffeine
@@johnnyson7474 I bet that atleast 60% of all competitive players (professional and amateurs alike) are addicted to caffeine.
Im seeing this 4 years later, goddamn shroud. That reaction time vs the others
Shroud is like Mark Zuckerberg. Only acts human when convenient
Mark*
It should be *SUCKER* berg.
*_S U C C_* erberg
@@LeBronyaJames .
@@mr.herobrinegaming844 kekw
Bruh, wanna see the fastest csgo player ever?
Play matchmaking, their reaction time is like 0.000001 ms plus they can see through the walls, epic gamer.
Vincensius Christopher when I was playing competitive I was hitting 120-140 on average. Now I hit just 170-190 on average on 60hz! Good times 😀
Yeah, they join this training program called AIMBOT&WALLS
@@MichealWaveGoMMM I think he just was going on with the joke bruv
@@MichealWaveGoMMM lol what a dumbass.
@@MichealWaveGoMMM whoosh
Linus: "I'm gonna be as Tricksy as I can"
Also Linus: Gets up right in the center of Shroud's crosshair
goddamn thanks for the likes lol
Demon Lord Gaming when it comes to shroud every enemy is in the center of his crosshair
Oscar Wilson XD true
@Florence that was the point in the whole thing
He might have been trying to get them to think he was going to pop up at the edge of the crosshairs rather than the centre, trying to get them used to showing up off centre and decreasing their expectations of the centre of the crosshairs.
Shroud is so good at predictions. It's not a surprise.
I noticed my settings weren't to 144Hz like they should and when i switched, i instantly noticed a difference. Felt like putting my glasses on after a long time without them. And that's from someone who usually doesn't see that much differences in those things
“Well don’t apologize to me, apologize to the millions of viewers”
*_embarrassment intensifies!!_*
The video hasn’t even been out for a day. Y’all are overreacting. Also, he could have just meant subscribers? Maybe? I don’t know.
OOOOOF
don't forget "no homo"
@@BigStinker_14 Pretty sure that's not what people were reacting to
Shroud: "can I get some coffee?
Paul: "last night wasn't that bad I only woke up twice to change diapers" big oof
Ok, so the next test is; Are you a better gamer with 2 much cafeine LOL
@@alphariss I only get worse once I've had 3 much....
Ok zoomer
A Dad here. (And one who did it as a single parent, too.) You kind of get used to interrupted sleep schedules. Twice a night wasn't bad for a newborn. After about 4-6 weeks, the kid should settle down into a regular rhythm.
@matt karl All I can say is "Your mileage may vary."
Sadly, my teen (almost adult) like to stay up well past me chasing her off to bed. So, it doesn't get better as they get older. :P
Other's entrance: lvl 10 crook
Shroud's entrance: lvl 100 mafia boss
blocks?
@@rocksparadox aye that aint it man
@@thanotrick5691 I bet he upvoted his own comment
old meme
@@thegodfather_8455 lmao yea
Now that 500Hz display is announced, it would really be interesting to see if going that crazy actually makes a difference anymore.
Nvidia did a demo in their presentation that shows that it still does. Also even if response times become irrelevant motion blur will still keep improving well into the thousands of Hz
@@toby1248 Well yeah, of course it does in a slow motion demo, but does it matter in a real scenario.
Human eye can’t see further than 240Hz
@@mybeautifulcat7011 that's blatantly not true - the human eye can still see the motion blur even at 1000hz
@@mybeautifulcat7011 probably not the central nervous part of the eye but the peripheral side of the eye can certainly do , since its connected to the subconscious mind.
“Don’t apologize to me, apologize to the millions of viewers.”
Literally laughed out loud 🤣
same 😆️
mrvalski the irony
@@mrvalski his on mixer
@@castcrus no shit
@@castcrus Wooosh
"60 fps gamers are at a disavantage compared to higher fps gamers"
Struggling to keep 30 frames on some games meant to be playable on "low end computers"
mate, you probably need to download some more RAM, maybe that will fix it!
@@upeletix5543 lol i have 8gb pretty sure my cpu is weak
@@VolX98 wait, is that a plane? oh, no nevermind, it's the joke that flew over your head!
@@upeletix5543 oh what's that i understood the joke but i brushed it aside cause it was soooo original.
@@upeletix5543 and i know mine ain't original too so just shh
Doesn't surprise me the guy with a fighting game background kicked ass at 60.
all those years of 1 frame links on a 60 hertz display
This was the coolest test I have ever seen performed online. Thanks for that.
Say it's a test and even Shroud starts to miss his shots
Overrated
@@ileryon4019 More to gaming than mere reaction timing. Reading the flow and your opponent is far more important and thats what wins games. This is why he's good.
Well, osu gods dont mean fps gods.
His reaction time was insane though he got like around 170 ms on most of his shots except one when he was talking to linus. The average human reaction time is 250 ms I believe and I think generally gamers get around 225 so that's just insane to get 160-170 range especially on a 60 hz monitor. Pros are generally above average but even then Shroud is ahead of the curve. In fact Linus and even Paul seem to have pretty amazing reaction time.
@@Lors_101 few years ago i was getting between 160 and 180 lol
Title: "Ft. Shroud"
Other people helping out: "Are we a joke to you?"
Underrated
I forgot there were other people in this video o_o
Ft game awards winner.. Idk the other guys tbh
Especially since Corey was top in almost every single metric.
Well grimmmz chested at pubg
shroud - reacts in 172 ms : "i am slow"
me - reacts in 334 ms : "i am goddd"
my best reaction time was 108ms with an office computer
I’m like 190 ms average
Just tested my reaction time on human benchmark. I'm in the 38th percentile with 261ms so it's clear why I don't enjoy FPS games a lot. On the other hand with my verbal memory in the 96th percentile, it's clear why I enjoy RPG games.
edge21str I’m in the middle on both so I play both lol
edge21str there are more things in fps not only reaction u can practice
great idea and video, would've loved to see a completely double blind experiment, where neither of you know which computer has how many frames. and only find out at the end of all the trials!
Not a bad idea for non gamers but with the people he used it would have been kinda pointless. You can see the differences especially from going 60 to 144. Noticing 144 to 240 would be harder but for pro level gamers who are more used to it it may not be that hard. If you noticed one the first things they check is quickly flicking from side to side, seeing how smooth the display is.
Shroud: Can I have coffee?
Linus: NO
Shroud: **Where the funk I am?**
OVER IT
8:07 Imagine you go to get a glass of water in the middle of the night. You hear a strange noise behind you. You turn on the lights and look, and there's Linus doing this face.
that smile , that freaking smile.
@Nameless King Sure, Jerma can be there too. Or germ man as I call him.
@@Johannes4233 I fear no man... But that thing... *It terrifies me*
Linus: "You're definitely more comfortable shooting at human targets."
Grimmz: "Yeah."
Me: _"Could have been phrased better."_
lmfao
lmfao
lmfao
lmfao
The Real Bleach lmfao
In my own experience, hopping from 60Hz to 144Hz was a big difference in feeling and as for most fps players when I jumped from 144Hz to 240Hz the difference was there but not as much as the previous jump, although for a short period of time I had to jump back to 144Hz and it was literally as bad for me as 60Hz. When experiencing 240Hz anything below that felt just as bad, even 144Hz.
I went back to 144hz from 240 hz. It just feels better and my speed to target and headshots are right on. I wonder if my eyes are not built for anything beyond 144 hz (laughing hard). Where DOES the madness end?!
@@Gr8FriknApe Its probably just that you are used to 144 more than 240. And where will the madness end? We'll know one day, maybe.
i also jumped from a laptop 60hz to a high end pc 144hz and i instantly became better lmao
@@MikeHawk-02 Totally understand your reasoning. I have more time on the 240hz, however, as I still use it for my everyday monitor vs gaming just for wear and tear purposes. BTW, 240 hz monitors don't last as long as 144hz monitors (personal experience only).
@@Gr8FriknApe the part where 144Hz monitor last longer is def true in my experince as well, I still own the first 144Hz monitor (Asus VG278HE) and it still works fine and I use it as my 2nd monitor now that I have a 240Hz one
Shroud: "Somebody on 60hz can be just as good as somebody on 240."
Nvidia: *Sweats profusely...*
@@crumbald5519 why ?
@@crumbald5519 Consoles joined the chat
@@illidur consoles can never ever come close to pc games competitively with stock peripherals let alone that God awful 30fps
@@asit6947 but because all console is same, so console player only win by skills not by how fast their computer are.
@@xponenit's not fun to play at 30fps
Finally a legitimate excuse for me being bad sometimes
its not us being bad. frame and refresh rates matter especially playing at 60hz. im suffering
@@aedriancastro7531 my pc doesn't even output 60 hz consistantly :'(
@@aedriancastro7531 that plus a fast and stable internet connection. Cant even tell you how many times I died to a blinking enemy in Apex lol
Haha yeah I play on 60Hz and I just need to get better lmao
get a job ez
2013: 144hz and 4k monitors
Me: 60fps, 1080p
2017: 240hz and 8k monitors
Me: 60fps, 1080p
Edit: There is 360hz monitors and 16k tv now✌🏼
literally me xD i wasnt able to upgrade my setup in 6 years. im still running 16GB 1600mHz DDR3 RAM (which i won at gamescom 2012!) with an i7 3770k and a GTX 970, which is known for its issues. And all this on a 60Hz BENQ GL2450... no wonder i cant run either pubg or apex at consistent 60fps. one reason i am mainly playing casual mmo or indie games currently and have been for quite some time :(
@@infern0soracle330
Still wayyy better than my current pc
@@infern0soracle330 I have an i7 980x (6 core from 2010) w/12gb ram and a GTX 970, and it runs most games at WELL over 60fps... (granted, I choose frames over image quality and play with most settings on low/medium at best).
Our machines aren't THAT different, I wonder if maybe your machine isn't performing as well as it's actually capable of? I can give you my OC settings for my GTX 970, if you're at all interested and think it might help?
@@xKrispyx yea i never oc my 970 although its a zotac one so i thought its already oc
Me on a Ps4: 30fps 1080p 😔
A master piece of a video, i give a huge thanks for this kind of videos that needs an effort of thinking about the casual answer that anyone who have played once at least videogames ask himself, but nobody makes it because it's too hard enough. Not only we learn gaming stuff, it is physics aplied to life, and give a truly understanding of how our brain works.
Linus Media Group (2019). A repeated measures study on pc monitor refresh rate and frame count. Journal of the PC Master Race, 22(7), 145-167.
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this is it chief
Need to verify that this has been peer-reviewed for academic scrutiny, sir
At the very least he could get this accepted as a poster at a psychology conference
@MoltenSnow31: peer-to-peer reviewed
For the people who want the answer to ' why did my shot not register' Start here - 10:47
also cuz AWP is not accurate at this range. really surprised shroud did not point that out because it has a huge impact on the accuracy of the experiment.
jesus...
don't forget ping to
Also cause mad cause bad
To add, those big-ass backpack doesn't have a hitbox.
Valve's fault. Character models should be molded out of hitbox.
"I'm going to be as trixy as I can..."
*pops up directly in the center of the scope*
and the problem with that is he directly influenced the test because dead centre definitely makes it more likely for the high FPS one to take it. Shame.
@@moorsyclimbing thats the idea of that test though. reaction based on the hertz of the monitor.
@@rotaryking100 You missed blitheringbrooks point, pewdiecancer fantard.
The choice of the player makes the outcome of the test biased, even if higher fps is better.
Don't use 'though'' the term 'though'' when there is 'though'' NO CONTRADICTION IN THE SENTENCE ''though''.
@@rocksparadox you missed my point. Though, Linus decided to pop up in the middle the test was to prove which player had the best reaction time with the equipment provided, it's not necessarily a skill based test.
You must be fun at parties
Also you're incorrect 'though' can be used at the end of a sentence in place of the word regardless
Lastly calling me a fantard because of who I'm subbed to is extremely childish. Especially when it has nothing to do with the video. You literally went out of your way to see if I was subbed to PewDiePie lol
@@rocksparadox You must be fun at parties x2
he missed to mention the most important part at 11:13 is not the rendering, but the server feedback between both the clients and the server to where his hitbox was when he jumped. which is the biggest factor in response time when it comes to hitting something in the game.
If it were a local feedback, that werent depending on Client to client registration that jumps back and forth between a server it would be giving a different result.
“Well don’t apologize to me apologize to million of the viewers” -Linus roasting tips
it was a roast and a flex at the same time
Linus sex tips
"Is 240 fps better?"
Me, with an average fps ranging from 10-20 on average games: _p e r h a p s_
Please stop replying things like "juSt bUy A grApiCs CaRd" or "JuSt geT a BeTteR pC". I have better specs now.
Hahahahah
OHH REALLY !!!!!
exactly same here bruh!
Me on fall guys and valorent
Nice, for me the games should be playable that's all I want
The surprising thing about this is how well Linus did, and we are all making fun about his gaming skills
Definitely deserves a mention. He was doing pretty good. Except for the flick test. xD
He has really good accuracy
Actually his performance was already recorded . He must have put his best performance out of like many tries
Shrowdy Rouwdy
Thank u paul from pauls hardware. Build my first pc with your video tutorial before finding linus next. Shoutout to shroud lol