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Tim Mosedale has climbed Everest six times and believes that whilst the queues look bad they're often not the reason people die whilst climbing.
Everest: Dying To Queue | BBC Stories
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When your hipster mountain goes mainstream
Hipsters are mainstream
The real ones have been doing K2 for years anyway. Everest is old and easy after the collapse 😂
@@herbalty754 have you tried climbing a mountain of lego blocks barefoot
@@petesmeats2729 by definition, they aren't.
@@Peakbreathe but in reality they are
"They don't die from queuing, they die from running out of oxygen from waiting in the queue" yes.... that's what queuing on Everest means...
He went in circles a bit, but his point was they’re with a bad team that don’t have spare oxygen
What? his point is queing on everest is not a problem really. Not being with the right people or having the knowledge of how to deal with the que is the issue
Easy, this guy runs a bed and breakfast.
I think what he’s trying to say is that they have the option to go back down but they’re irrational, kept going leading to their own deaths.
They die due to queuing because they get quite cold too.
If I were climbing a mountain and I found a queue near the top I would just say, "Yep, climbed it," and then turn around and leave.
I'm pleased someone else thinks this!
😂 Love it
Which is exactly the reason why you would never get anywhere close to the summit.
i had visuals of the squid game on glass bridge game hahahaha
@@philipdrozd951 It's meaningless.
Love how the guy complains about there being too many people but has climbed it 5 times
And returned safe every time too!
I think he's complaining that there are too many amateurs trying to climb it.
5 summits, not 5 attempts on Everest. There are more mountains y'know
@@kriskk4943 I thought he said he went up Everest, 4 on the south side and 1 on the north side
@@kriskk4943 But hes clearly talking about Everest here.
To me those queues on mount Everest tells more about the intrinsic shallowness of the human being than about mountenaireering. I'm sure that there are lots of 7000 meters summits around that are more challenging to climb than Everest given the huge infrastructure and logistics put in place to facilitate its ascension. Now stating in a dinner that you climbed the 7126m Himlung Himal Peak carries a lot less bragging rights. That those people queuing like idiots at 8000+ on Everest carried up by their often over inflated ego do die from time to time seems an obvious good choice for darwinism driven selection.
couldn't agree more. these people who love to queue must have a death wish plus be debilitated by a serious lack of imagination
It's funny because the second tallest mountain is super close to Everest and much harder to climb!
@@Alison-dt5wo ...which in itself explains why all the people who don't carry the experience and skill would rather join a skilled expedition to the "easier" mountain, which is also the highest.
You're right. Not to mention that these western "mountaineers" have all their equipment and necessities hauled up the mountain by sherpas who thereby are doing the actual work. It's kind of comedic actually.
Climb K2 way more of a challenge and it's still 8000 meters.
"bag it and brag it." That sums up the entirety of what human beings do: our insatiable, unquenchable, never-ending quest to be able to say I'm better than you.
I like it. That's who we are.
That's what makes Humans good, we have a drive to be the best and we want to beat challenges all the time that's how we got so advanced in technology and still not stuck in caves
@@thwales2520 Is it? Maybe. But doesn't that sound a little like the ends justify the means? Excellence for the sake of the overall good is of course a wonderful thing. And money can be a powerful motivator. So no one can say that a person who invents, say, a vaccine to cure polio is somehow less worthy if he/she did so in the pursuit of riches than one who did so for purely altruistic reasons. No, what I mean is what humans do once they HAVE that wealth. That insatiable drive that makes humans with means feel that the law no longer applies to them, or that they should be given special treatment, or that their voice in government should be more important based on nothing but the number of commas in their bank balance. It's not the pursuit of money that I find so distasteful in humans, it's how they act once they have it.
what challenges? it has been climbed by over 7000 people lol
it is not a matter of gut or strength, mostly money and time @@thwales2520
If there are enough people up there to create a line, maybe climbing Everest isn't the impossible challenge we have been lead to believe.
plus i expect every trek a natural path gets carved making it easier.
exactly. Literally watching this video i was like "ill just go and find another moutain" sure it wont be the biggest, but its still mountain climbing
I don’t think you understand, the top is narrow so you are prone to get stuck easily. Anyway else on the mountain and you won’t see people.
Bingo!
@@organizedchaos4559 Oh...I understand. There are enough people there to make it look like a concert is about to happen. That's not unique or special.
Maybe enact a 'once per decade' policy and require that each climber conquers two smaller peaks in the region first (which you can charge them for).
Gets rid of the regulars and makes sure that climbers have the skills and commitment required to climb Everest.
Are you going to tell the Nepali government that? Yes, it sounds like the right decision but it is not our choice to make. If the Nepali government and people like their revenue and the way Everest is currently operated, then they aren't going to listen to our demands. Nor should they.
People don't care about that though, they just want as much money as possible
@@alicem1961 people act in self interest.
@@josephbrennan370 you don't undestand that it's not hard to climb everest that's why they are allowing amateurs to go their, when fatality rate is 4%, out of which most is pre-2010s death, than what's the problem.
Close the whole thing so we can laugh at these arrogant rich people.
Just watched a Sherpa interview. He said 90% of them do not want to carry your crap up the mountain. They do it to feed their family. There’s no other work there.
Well, that isn't just true when it comes to sherpas. 90% of people who work in, let's say retail, doesn't want to-but they so it because of the money.
Lol I don’t want to work too I do it to feed myself. Do you know how lucky you have to be to actually like your job? And as you said there is no other job there then would stopping tourists help them any bit? I mean these tourists should definitely do sufficient training and respect the mountain, bring trash away, but without the tourists the sherpas have no job.
Nobody likes doing their job very few do but they do it to get food in the end of the day and to live an average life
Well no shit. They're human just like you and me. Do you want to carry some entitled tourist's stuff up one of the hardest climbs on the planet? No? Neither do they.
It seems as if the main reason people climb Mount Everest isn't for self gratification but rather so people can brag about climbing Mount Everest. I'm guessing that 99% of the people that climb Everest, wouldn't climb it if they weren't allowed to let anyone know they climbed it. Some people pay thousands of dollars to these expedition companies, that drag these people that have no business climbing mountains, up to the summit just so they can tell everyone, they climbed Mount Everest.
I mean it is something to brag about
If you spend a month climbing the highest mountain on earth i think you have bragging rights over the technophiles who brag about getting the latest version of iphone
I mean if you climbed Everest it's automatic bragging rights no matter what, anybody would brag it
@@thwales2520 you're right.
My point was, I don't understand why people covet bragging rights. It seems like an extraordinary risk as well as incredible effort, just to say you did it.
I have always been attracted to danger and love the adrenaline rush of action sports. If I think about motocross, parachuting, or flying in a wingsuit and those things seem like a rush to take part in, but walking up hill isn't that thrilling to me. But if I really stop to think about, the rush comes from pushing one's own abilities and limits as far as they go.
@@JubeProductions Well people like challenges and to push themselves to do something that's basically why people go up mountains
***Climbing Everest is and should be a lifetime achievement.
And now the good old Gandhi: 'The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.'
Woman says "Up until 2014 I had never climbed anything before... Then in 2015 I climbed Everest!"
If she can do it,its a pathetic achievement
"Look!...I crossed the street all by myself"
@@davebruneau6068 lol why don’t you go ahead and climb everest then
@@dndjxnskdbajd4561 Probably because its a worthless feat thats nothing more than playing with your life, the life of the sherpas you hire and the lifes of everyone else on the expedition with you.
There should be very strict requirements people need to meet before theyre even allowed on the mountain. But I'm guessing the tour companies don't care if you live or die they need the money
I've just seen a video of everest where the guy first used ice climbing gear on the expedition. It means he was never even close to a mountain peak of this scale. He died up there.
Nepal's gotta make a buck.
I agree but also there shouldn’t have to be 🤦🏼♀️ People should be wise enough to know that they lack the experience or fitness to climb Everest.
There is a requirement already in place. $60,000 before you are allowed to go
@@Tyrim I think I know who you're referring to. The only experience he had was climbing a mountain (not ice) at 14,000 ft. and the Guide accepted him. But the guy was going good, he got to the summit, but never made it down. I forget why.
Stepping over dead climbers that were ahead of you? Leaving trash along the way...nice. Where does your head have to go, to want experience this insanity ?
Life has become so meaningless for so many people, so all their wormy reptilian brains can come up with is "Let's do Everest! Then my pathetic little life will be complete!"
@@glitteringsunshine4306 I totally agree with you! I'm kind of lost myself though so could you please tell me some of the things you've done that surpass Everest in terms of how impressive the achievement is? Sitting on the couch? Trying to make fun of people who are going through a psychologically tough process from the comfort of your warm home and electronics? I thought so, prick.
Should see the rubbish pile of recovered crap at the mountain exhibition centre in Pokohara...its disgusting,unless u die up there u should have to sign your equipment in/out at permit office and bring rubbish out with you.
Sounds like the sort of thing a middle class person would do. What a shallow bunch of prats they are. All to improve their facebook profile. Read a book or go for a walk.
@@goodbyemrchips4174 middle class people in the US wouldn't be able to afford a 70,000 dollar trip unless they were sponsored
Mountaineers like this fella are some of the most self absorbed people you'll ever meet.
100% correct
The British guy? How so?
I know right. He says that people who are tired, should step over the rope. Whats stopping him from stepping over the rope?
Climbs Everest, makes sure everyone he meets ever knows about it
Becomes a "motivational speaker" would you need these guys giving you advice???
can you imagine a vegan everest climber
@@alainbellemare2168 can you imagine that a non-vegan mentioned vegans first... heheh
@@alainbellemare2168 there was that guy from Bulgaria, died on K2 last year. No vegans allowed on K2, gotta eat meat for that shit.
Imagine if a vegan climbed Everest...
Once the elevator broke so I needed to use the stairs to get to my apartment. I live on the 3rd floor. Gosh that was hell of a climb, I'm guessing mount everest is similar.
Jeez. I lived in a third-floor walkup for three years. Everything had to be carried up the steps with the final set in the apartment. I guess that makes me an experienced mountaineer.
Count your blessings .. you survived
LOL
Probably not as bad, you get a view climbing everest.
It isn't inexperience that keeps people from stepping aside when they need to rest. It's their sense of entitlement. Anyone could see that they are holding up the entire queue. The same arrogance that makes them think they're in better shape than they are makes them think everyone else should have to wait for them.
I assume its just pure exhaustion right? Can you communicate with the person ahead / behind when you have low oxygen like that?
Climbers should be licenced and physically assessed for the challenge of climbing this mountain. Its not a sandbox in the kindergarten.
I think they just have altitude sickness and their capacity for thought is compromised!
People can act irrational and really be out of it up there, how do u know that that climber didnt think he only sat down for 2 minutes when in reality it was 20, reaching that height can do so serious damage to ur Brain !
mt everest isn't even an achievement thing anymore its 100% an ego climb
I've always been fascinated with this mountain. Getting to one of the base camps would be enough for me.
I wouldn't be fit or brave enough to consider climbing higher.
There's only one base camp, the one at 5,000+ meters, the others are the camps which are located very high up the mountain and you can't get to one without passing from the previous one to acclimatize and rest 😊
@@katerinaliakou5549 There are 2 base camps, one at the north side and one at the south side
Fly to either Base Camp
@@katerinaliakou5549 Two Base Camps: SE route and NE route.
Why tf did we watch him change his bedsheets at home?
He clearly stated that he owns a bed & breakfast
BBC programming. He probably had to pay for the advertisement of his B&B
waahahahahah
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Climbing Everest has no glory connected to it anymore. It's just sad seeing all the dead people and litter scattered across that beautiful mountain. Use all that extra energy doing something good for the world.
Have you climbed Everest?
@@kieransmith6820 I have.
@@joyfulness9968 Dang, is there really that much litter and dead people? How long did you have to train to do it?
@@kieransmith6820 yep. That's 100% true. Some already turn into skeletons. I could smell piss in some areas. But still, it was one of my most unforgettable experiences. I'm a mountaineer since I was a teenager. For mount everest, I trained 6 - 7 months. If you don't have enough skill, and physical and mental strength (and money of course), I don't suggest you to climb that mountain. It was physically and mentally exhausting. I slept for 15 hours straight after I came back to my tent.
@@joyfulness9968 is that so? Heard near top, bodies don't decompose. You sure you been up there pal
I don't think people fully understand. Except me of course.
;'D
Right. I understand it, thus I’m not going there.
imagine dropping $40k+ to stand in line
No.
If you didn’t carry your bag and equipment yourself you shouldn’t be aloud to say you’ve climbed Everest...maybe climbed assisted
Allowed
Handicapped Assisted climb
SuperKarinaG thanks I bet you’re really fun
@@SuperKarinaG You're right. Anyone unable to spell 'allowed' should not be allowed to post comments online and return to first grade.
Wow. Even the first expedition leading to the first ascent of Edmunt Hillary and Tenzing Norgay: "The Hunt expedition totalled over 400 people, including 362 porters, 20 Sherpa guides and 10,000 pounds (4,500 kg) of baggage, and like many such expeditions, was a team effort. "
So, you're saying even they didn't 'climb' Everest?
Just a bit snobby really isn’t it
Yeh, just a bit.
A tad bit yea...
Geez right?
aye a bit
Yep
Woman says "Up until 2014 I had never climbed anything before... Then in 2015 I climbed Everest!" The man then says "people read an article and believe they can climb Everest within a year and that's where the trouble starts"
She’s 48, started climbing in her late 30s. She’s an expedition leader as well. In 2014 she made the decision to do Everest with 10-12 years or more of experience under her belt 😊 so if following the words of the male speaker, who said having 15 years of experience is great instead of 9-10 months, pretty sure it’s appropriate for the female mountaineer to attempt Everest 👍
@@lucykouznetsova2114 Its nothing to do with being female or male (I just couldn't remember their names) so please don't think that's what I was saying because I clearly wasn't. It's literally just how the video is edited is how it sounds. It's funny... Peace to you.
she never said that first bit.... lol
@@cre8ivartist Ok the exact quotes are (Lady) "It was really the beginning of 2014 where I made the decision to go for it in 2015" followed by (Man) "Nowadays, I think some people are seeing the article, seeing the program and trying to do it in 9, 10, 11 months". Its just funny the way it's edited. I know it's taken slightly out of context and that's not what they meant but it's still funny the way it comes across. Sorry my original post wasn't the exact wording. I have meant no offence to anyone out there.
@@lucykouznetsova2114 rather have a more experienced leader tbh plus all those people are wannabes. They should only interview sherpas.
Climbing K2 is a much more impressive feat. First of, it's a much harder climb, you need serious mountaineering skills to make the ascent. Second, it has far fewer people trying to climb it partly because of it's difficulty and partly because the Pakistani government restricts access.
The bottleneck 😯
What I think is crazy is that there like 12 or 15 perfectly accessible lines that can be used. Also, there's a copious amounts of lines just sitting.... Waiting, waiting to be discovered.
Wow i felt so much compassion for these people. So hearthbreaking. The summit of the world seems to attract the summit of self absortion.
If you’re going to listen to the Black Eyed Peas while climbing Everest. You deserve to be stuck in a queue
😂😂😂
I’ve done other week+ long treks and climbs and I can tell you the biggest challenge is the BOREDOM. Seriously you’re just listening to yourself breath for hours, because you’re so rugged up in the cold you can’t hear anything else. lmao I don’t blame them for listening to music.
Classic comment!
@@RayaAndy yeah but you need to choose the right music
🤣
The trick is for two of the best climbers on the mountain to each fix ropes at the Hillary Step. Both lines could enable the climbers’ ascension (at first) and later one line could be reserved for descending.
Whats the point in climbing Everest anymore? Yes its still the highest. But when its SOOO crowded with climbers, and 90% of them complete amatures. I wouldn't find it enjoyable.
Trust me they are no amateurs on Mt. Everest
@@jkuhede Oh yes there is
Honestly, I admire the courage and perseverance of these experienced climbers but I question the rationality of the inexperienced ones that do this. Personally, I'm glad I'm too old to even consider it.
It also costs tens of thousands of dollars
courage is doing something brave for others, hubris is a better descriptor for these folks.
Oldest person to climb everest was 83, youngest was 13. You are never to old for anything! That being said, I wouldnt suggest everest regardless haha.
@@Spencer-vq7se You HAD to go tell me that the oldest person was 83. I'm only 73. A mere lad in comparison. I start training tomorrow.
The people on this video talk like its theirs. It's a big rock you dont belong on. She says dont bag and brag... what are you doing? It does seem stupid.
...aaaaaand Tory Bishoff just owned this chat. 🤘🏽
If people so choose to do it then that’s their choice. Who are you to say they don’t belong there lol... get a grip.
If the mountain so chooses to kill them then they probably didnt belong. Seems logical. Should I get a grip on insanity or something... thanks for the advice
Shes not bragging though, both in the video are clearly very good climbers, i can also bet she doesn’t brag to others, climbing is their life not a single post on instagram. They dont own it sure but id rather those two than a snobby person who isnt fit/strong enough to climb blocking actual trained climbers
@@Nathanhodgeon13 What exactly makes you think those people should have the right to climb that mountain? It’s not that it’s some inherited birth right of humanity to pester every place of this planet.
Do I need to go to the Arctic and see the last dying icebears? Probably not. Do I need to be dragged up the highest mountain on earth by underpaid Sherpas to brag about it on Social Media? Probably not. None of those people could climb Mount Everest without Oxygene and the help of dozens of Sherpas, not even those hypocrites in the video. And yet that should be the challenge.
That whole ‘do what you want’ attitude of yours is what’s ruining this planet. Try to get a grip on that.
Dilettante Foreign Climber: "I don't really think people understand Everest"
Sherpa: "And YOU do??"
He's climbed it 5 times seems enough to me
@@impyrobot - Exactly. He’s ‘climbed’ it. That is not the same thing as having lived in and around the mountain, as did his ancestors, and have the mountain and it’s environs integrated into one’s metaphysical and ecological worldview. I’ve used a car many times. To suggest I know the internal combustion engine and the innumerable other dynamics integrated into its genealogy is absurd.
@@i.m.9918 I don't need to have studied engineering and worked in the automotive industry for 30 years to understand how a car works I merely need to read about it and have hands on experience fixing cars. At least that's my opinion I'm sure if an automotive engineer disagrees they can. Likewise I think climbing a mountain on 5 occasions is enough to say you understand a mountain maybe not to the degree of a Sherpa who had climbed dozens of times and lived in the surrounding area but they can still both claim to understand the mountain. I don't think that's an absurd claim but we can agree to disagree it's not an exact science it's more of a philosophical question and I am not a philosopher nor do I have the time for a debate of that nature. Have a nice day.
Looking at the footage of the several queues in this film, I couldn’t help thinking of what would have happened if a storm similar to the 1996 disaster had blown in. It would have resulted in carnage. If you want to impress your mates summit K2, survive the decent, then you can call yourself a mountaineer.
Christ Almighty! Not even Everest can escape people.
Hahahahaha yeah
Oh stfu Karen. The faux outrage is out of control here
@@zacharywhite211 they’re not wrong mate
Run, EVEREST! Run!
@@maximillianford9301 The faux outrage isn’t right, bud.
What's wrong with a nice brisk walk in the Cotswolds?
Or go full Alan Partridge and suggest Norfolk?
That line is insane! Why wouldn’t they regulate how many people can go at a time? I’d be so mad if I got all the way up there a saw that many people...
$$$
Because Nepal is poor and needs the tourist income
A conga line for some selfies.
Kind of a letdown to finally reach the summit to say "I've made it to the top of the world!" and then hear "Hey, me too" a couple dozen times.
😂😂😂😂😂
I don’t like hordes of people and queues. Spiritually lost!
I've been climbing in the UK and the Alps in Europe for years. You'll never find me up in the 800m Himalayan mountains, if you need to bring your own oxygen I don't wanna go!
no way its almost like you climb for fun and not bragging rights... wierd
If you popularize something, especially in this era of disillusionment and a desire for adventure because our lives are so sterile, you create a demand for it.
Where you once had a small group who knew the risks and who knew how to limit them, you now have risk seekers who have no idea what they are getting themselves into.
Can you say you climbed Everest when you hired a slave wage sherpa to carry your bag?!
@@Bikecampcook Ever thought about carrying your own bag? and doing it legit?
@@Bikecampcook first time I ran across any comment / post / article mentioning such a high wage for sherpa... Even the skill ones that take you to the top gets around $12,000...
@@hcw199 sure then put Sherpas out of business. Sounds good.
@@Bikecampcook "they" being the Sherpas? Or the outfit they work for??
Theirs plenty of experienced British American ect climbers who are not sherpas who can set their own ropes and ladders and lead the lines the bloke. In this video summited 6 times. I put my. Left. Nut he could set his own ropes up the routes he knows
I was shocked when I first found out about the queues. It seems climbing Mount Everest has turned into a fairground ride-like jolly any egotistical Tom, Dick and Harry can do to bore disinterested people to death by bragging about it. It would've been something to brag about when far fewer people did it, but now the whole world and it's cat are doing it, who gives a toss?
You care by the sounds of it judging by the fact you clicked on the video then decided to leave a comment
Feels like two people upset about the person in front of them at the grocery teller. “Why didn’t I just go to the self-serve line?!”
The trials and tribulations these poor rich people go through. It's just so heartbreaking.
I'm a mountaineer, but I do not particularly aspire to go to Everest. I cant't understand where exactly the adventure spirtit lies in paying poor locals to carry your stuff, and after that having to wait in queus like you're in the bank. The ascend to Everest has become a soap opera.
I prefer to go to a relatively unkwnown peak of Caucasus, without flags, without glory and without spotlights, accompanied by trusted companions and a deep connection to nature.
People who want to climb Everest need to know this. That way, they know what they sign up for. No one's forcing them to go. I prefer a walk in the countryside myself.
Man, that is just disgusting, everything I want to avoid when up in the mountains.
I'm with you. I live in the mountains in Tasmania. If we go out for the day and see even one other person we don't know we are like: nope, let's go somewhere else.
Literally when everyone wants to be on top
Why isn't there a lottery system/drawing to keep the crowds down to safe levels? Instead of everyone that has $65,000 being allowed to go whenever they want to go...
Nepal is a poor country and Tourists wanting to climb Everest bring in a lot of money, so the more tourists the more money.
@@Martin-wn7kf Yup, That's more important than people dying on the mountain. If the tourists from other countries are stupid enough to risk their lives in the death zone, that's on them...
Nepal=dying people on mountain=money it’s sad
@@Jake-dl3kx no one dies their anymore, Everest's fatality is 3.9%, most of the death being pre-2010s when there was lack equipment and knowledge.
Beautiful. Would love to go. But that crowd to summit doesn’t look like fun.
The scary part is not climbing up, it's coming back down those slopes alive
It could be a commercial: "tired of standing in lane for the Mount Everest?"
Just build an escalator already.
And a zip line to finish would be epic 😂
Shaka braaaaah 🤙🏻
@@AUTUMN-DARK that would actually be sick if it was possible
funny thing is Nepali government is actually trying to get measures to create easier routes to Everest.
Why stop there? Build a McDonald's on the summit as well 🤮
Climbed Ben Nevis (tallest mountain in the UK 1000ish metres) (Yes small compared to others) and it was literally just a giant queue. There was a traffic jam even walking up the path. Was quite boring. Found climbing the peaks of Snowdon more thrilling as that was challenging and not a gravel path
What can I say...I live at 1.3k metres of altitude...I'm literally living on UK's Mount Everest.
The sadness I feel when I see so many people standing in line as if standing in line at an amusement park on this utterly majestic mountain 💔😢
Happy new year first of all .. your knowledge and experience show people a way forward on there fault and how to correct in a situation at this place , does it really take that long to get to ur level and experience to climb such awesome mountain,
Such a waste of money, over a hundred thousand pounds, purely about ego, so Tarquin can hold court at dinner parties.
Nothing about ego it’s about having a drive to do something powerful that lazy people judge
@@Katie-B for many it is about ego
@@christianb8228 every accomplishment has a bit of ego. Nobody would pay 100k and nearly risk their life JUST because it would make them look cool
@@Katie-B if you’re paying 100k you’re getting ripped off... 65k tops
@@christianb8228 it can easily go for 100k if you get the best teams which is probs sensible if you want the best chances of survival
This reeks of greed.
And self absorbed entitlement
Where is the challenge in being dragged up by a Sherpa. Looks like a line at Disney.
Thanks for the presentation
I'm not a climber, so its very interesting. I had no idea there was so much effort/ people.
Forget Bees and Sharks, most people die from Hubris.
What this looks like to me is people that who have done the climb just don't want anyone else to do it.
Totally man
Honestly, should put an EXPERIENCE cap on it - something simple like YOU HAVE TO CLIMB AT LEAST ANOTHER 8000M PEAK..... I mean, I know even experienced people die on there but still. RIP to all who've perished.
Its natural selection at its finest, 'RIP' is not relevant to those who've basically committed suicide and left their families behind for their own possible self gain. Dull brained cowards.
I think 5000m is a good thing
The day I decided on a whim after watching a documentary, the queue started at the bus stop in Stansted. The guy in front hadn't moved for hours, had crampons on back to front, suncream spilling out his rucksack. If I hang on here any longer I'll run out of oxygen and jelly babies. Told my mates I'd done the Everest thing when I got home and put the kettle on to watch Wallace in A Close Shave.
The picture @4:15 is the funniest image I’ve seen in a long time. You had this great plan to conquer the mountain top. You aren’t going to be like those people who go to EPCOT for their vacation. Oh, no. You’re going where only the bravest dare to tre... oh, there’s a line. And we could die. And we may have to turn back without making it to the top. And we saw a guy in green boots who never made it to EPCOT.
I love it when people go somewhere then moan about everyone else that goes there. Go somewhere else. These people are the problem. They think they have the right but others don’t. Kind of like a load of Range Rovers in the golf club car park over two spaces and all the owners moaning there’s no room.
Im sure there is a certain amount of elitism in mountaineering and yes everyone should have the right to do what they want as long as its not to the detriment of others. But the thing is everest is a death trap, and inexperienced climbers make it even more dangerous or just outright cause deaths.
In this case it's actually correct for them to complain. Experienced mountaineers are prepped, fit, calm minded. You will never have the same issues than someone who is just rich and wants to go up everest
What, you mean like people who complain about getting stuck in traffic jams, oblivious to the fact they are contributing to the problem because they are so lazy, they think they need a two tonne machine to do the equivalent of a 15 minute bike ride.
Entitlement, so they can but everyone else shouldn't go there.
I think you’ve all got rocks in your head. Leave the mountain alone. It’s been done before.
@Sphincter Says what? Hahahaha
Agree. Queue at Tesco's instead.
@Asphincter says what? "wants and desires" nah its 100% rich dick heads with egos trips
That’s an easy question to answer!!!!
To each his own
Everest is definitely not my cup of tea! So I don’t understand how human beings can step over dead people to get to the top of a bloody rock
A metaphor for life!
Man doesnt it take away from the accomplishment and the special feeling of climbing Everest when it appears like everyone and their grandmom has done it too?Like you are at one of the most desolate places on Earth and there is literally like 100+ people standing in a stupid que just to get to the summit.
Well, you have to wait for them to get the perfect IG selfie! /s
These two interviewed "climbers" wouldn't even manage to climb the mountain without their Sherpas. They're no different from the "inexperienced climbers" they are comparing their self with. They managed to climb the mountain because they paid lots of $$$ for it not really because they are skilled mountaineers. lol
Didn’t know we consider people who summit the tallest mountain in the world 5 times as inexperienced but whatever….even the most experienced climbers in the world take at least one Sherpa with them it’s the nature of climbing, they are there to provide a needed service, yes they should be paid more but take that up with the Nepalese Government not the people who do these expeditions and pay wages. You can’t simply tip them more money as people are told not to bring money to the mountain, your expedition leaders also have a rule with the Nepalese Government in which their under strict agreement not to pay the Sherpas any more money as to not upset the status quo, do you think other Sherpas would continue to work for the same wage if others were getting cash in hand tips? No of course they wouldn’t, no one in their right mind would, so again talk to the government if you want to see change happen and stop taking your feelings out on people who simply want to climb.
@@JamesLoudMouth19981 LOL It's not "the nature of climbing" to need a Sherpa assistant, any more than it was the "nature of exploring" to have natives carrying supplies like pack animals was to the British empire. It is the nature of entitled foreigners who can't do the activity without help. And unless you are climbing it for necessary research or some other helpful endeavor, then you are simply indulging your ego. The Sherpa people despise foreign climbers.
You shouldn’t be allowed to climb Everest until you have climbed at least 2 other 8000m peaks
$$$$ govt permits $$$$
Bruh Everest is literally one of the least deadly 8000ers, you want them to start with K2 or Nanga Parbat?
Although they should definitely have sufficient prior mountaineering experience, like maybe kilimanjaro or at least summit mt blanc on their own or something idk
The problem is Everest main route is actually one of the easiest 8000m peaks.
It would be dangerous to send people to Cho, or K2
What a lovely sight - a sea of people.
What I love about these “climbers” is that most of them brag about climbing the tallest mountain on earth while paying 30grand, with oxygen and sherpas to assure they actually get up there. Meanwhile Messner in the 70s did it without oxygen and alone. That is climbing. This is tourism...
Pure Ignorance . They really think they are the "skilled ones"
Never mind about Everest. He's got a Blue Peter badge!!
They should shut Everest down to climbers completely.
Did it in Australia at Uluru. Totally different climb, exactly the same principle. Respect the locals and their wishes - only problem is that without climbers, they have no income.
Mountains should not be shut, because they are not property. They belong to the people and primarilly the wild animals which live there.
Everest brings in a lot of money for the Nepalese. The government has no interest in shutting it down and the locals have no choice as its a big source of income.
Bad planning. I spent years visiting base camps and crossing passes up to 6,000 meters all over Nepal getting ready for my summit attempt. Finally I saw the opportunity right there in front of me so I pushed forward and summited Poon Hill! In order to claim I had pioneered a new route I stepped off the well beaten path a meter or more to the south and named my route the South Route. Now I am working on a book about how I managed to make it to the top without oxygen.
Yay another ego maniac with a book yee haw🙄🙄🙄
Here’s a question, is it impossible to make another route? There are currently two well known paths up? Are there any lesser known paths? How does one go about finding new ways up a mountain.
People die from their decision to climb Everest (with a heap of other people). Everything we do has a risk. The queue is just a contributing side-effect, not the cause of death and injury.
My son died last year falling from a local rockface. He wanted the challenge, was desperate to get out after Covid lockdown, was aware of the risk and very sadly, it didn't pay off. He made the decision to climb that day, but I take full responsibility for not loooking into that climb more closely and then stopping him from going on his own. He was only 19 and I didn't protect him.
I understand the desire to do a risky, challenging activity, such as Everest. I guess there are many reasons and values behind it - sense of accomplishment, ego, status, achievement of a lifelong ambition.... However, adults make their own decisions and are fully responsible for them (unless they're being held at gunpoint). Blaming queues or weather or avalanches or poor management or ill health or being on the "wrong team" as I think the guy in the video suggested, are just excuses. We simply need to accept that some of our choices are exceedingly risky.
Sorry to hear that. You can't put them in bubble wrap and shelter them from life. Kids don't think anything bad can ever happen and just charge forward. Very sorry for your loss. Hope you find some measure of peace and a way to keep his memory alive.
@@cvn6555 Thank you for your kind words. I have little recollection of writing my long comment - I was clearly on a rant! 😬
Moving forward on my grief journey, thanks. 🙏
Wishing you well. 😊
@@kyliejones8827 best wishes on your healing journey...
@@craigtraylor8082 Thank you, Craig. Kind of you to reply. x
That's so devastating, I'm so sorry. It might have just been his time. Who knows, if you had stopped him it could have caused him to drive off in anger and get in an accident, and then you might have blamed yourself for his death or be haunted by the last time you spoke being a fight. In reality, he was able to die doing something he loved, and was allowed to go on his own terms because his mom trusted him enough to make his own decisions. I hope you're doing well and draw strength from the fact that you were a good mom and loved him better than anyone else could, every day of his life. That's the only thing that brings me solace in my recent loss, as well. Just knowing I loved them as much as they could be loved.
Nice images !
In 30 years there will be a resort at the summit. Most people will fly in and land in a high altitude, vertical take-off shuttle. Slightly off to the side will be a small, barren outcrop, - full of flags and discarded energy bar wrappers - where climbers are permitted to go. However Climbers won’t be allowed at the actual summit, unless they book a suite or get a day pass. But even then standing on the summit will be limited to a few minutes unless you have a ‘Gold Pass’ from the resort.
The most amusing thing is the Your Wait From Here Is 55 Minutes sign.
It’s incredible that there are enough people that can afford to do this for a queue to even be possible…
Narcissism known no bounds
This is the main reason I won't waste my money to climb Everest just to experiencing the worst and deadliest traffic jam
I used to want to climb Everest but now that I see the queues on top it just doesn't seem special anymore. All that effort and expense to end up in a queue is just sad.
My suggestion: Check every climber if they have been on any other 5000+m peak. UIAA or any given organization that operates in country where the peaks are should acknowledge and verify that climber has summited 5000+m peak. Given that Everest is most popular and most wanted peak to summit, this way you'd actually know that you're dealing with experienced climber. That should be checked before giving any permit to climb Everest from either side. This would be beneficial to both groups because there would be less queues and for an individual because based on his earlier experience he'd be more prepared for hell of Everest and not some rookie adventure hunter.
The fact that you even make this stupid suggestion means you have never climbed a 8000m mountain before or not even a 5000m one. If one cannot finish a 5000m mountain without oxygen, he/she would collapse well before the final ascend onto Everest peak. Therefore this individual would not even get to queue. Shut your mouth unless you know at least a bit about what your talking.
@@frankzhandamo what is even wrong with you. The guy has a point, as we have seen the photo of the woman with no helmet on, open bag etc. It looks like she could have used the experience if climbing some less challenging peaks before, if not for any other reason than to learn how to dress herself and what equipment she needs. And the people who don't think about stepping over the rope when they need a break... It's true, the number if incompetent people climbing Everest is too damn high.
@@frankzhandamo Honestly mate, some guys who try to climb Everest have very little to no experience at all, but they do have money which, sadly, is enough to get them there. Bet your ass in whatever that several people in those queues never climbed 4000m!
8000 is the death zone. There are many peaks that reach 8000 that arent everest
@@frankzhandamo Chill tf out dude.
I can't even climb out of bed , let alone mt Everest!
Ever-rest.
It's in the Name.
The sound on this is amazing. I guess you'd expect that from the Beeb.
The better way to avoid queue on Everest is to take other possible route to summit which the expert says other more than 22 possible route to the summit but sadly beside the north side the others are for the real climbers who should have alpine style technicalities
A strict preliminary test and record should be required before attempting Everest.
So much hypocrisy... The guy says that far too many people are climbing yet he's been up the mountain 5 times. The woman says people should be prepared but hadn't climbed even the most tame mountain by her late thirties. Then climbed Everest in her early 40's.
If you guys feel that strongly then stay away... I've been interested in mountaineering for 15 years or so but I would never even consider this mountain. It's far too dangerous and far too abused.
yeah i agree. these people are the ones responsible for such crowds in the first place, so it seems silly for them to be complaining about there being too many people. this guy literally makes money leading paying customers up that route just like so many others.
I get it.. I once had to wait 2 hrs to ride the Mattehorn... unbelievable
I would rather do the Trek to Everest than to climb it, lol. Watched a couple vids of the hike, it looks awesome with beautiful scenery.
Guess the Ego holds no bounds.
If would actually be the most terrifying part of the climb.
This looks ridiculous but this is probably everyone that summited that week. Coupled with altitude acclimation the window for stable and safe weather is often limited to just a few weeks a year for tour guided amateurs to ascend.
Thank you for this video. Its a major issue