I loved the wraith and the space vampire thing with green skin and black leather clothes etc, if I in of the wraith I would take all the hives and cruisers to a planet that produces lighting naturally alot of it and just park it in it and let the ships grow I'll have a entire fleet of super hive and super cruiser ships each being a capital ship in it's own right and it takes 8 months to grow a hive ship a few months to go super and do that for a year making many for ships I'll have the Strongest fleet , and I found out wraith can feed on animals but prefer humans because they love the thrill of it , so just got to find planets rich with animal life and I can feed my wraiths and I'll declare war on everyone building a empire fighting the humans, gau'ld, Jaffa, Lucian allience, go to Ori galaxy and go to the Galaxy where the ship destiny was and fight the nakia and drone ships kicking ass lol
Lee Adama. Gets given a fighter. Gets it blown up. Gets given a Battlestar. Gets it blown up. Gets given a fleet. Gets it blown up. ...least he's consistent.
@@SantomPh I don't know, it singlehandedly destroyed the Gamelons. It also was capable of absorbing massive damage while being able to dole out great pain with its shock cannons. The early battle off Pluto showed the pre-Yamato Earth force getting owned, then the Yamato comes in and wipes the floor with the Gamelons. Something changed besides the wave-motion gun. Still, you make a good point.
@@SantomPh as we see with squadrons it seems that small and fast projectiles can go through shields so I think that the Yamato’s conventional shells could do quite a bit of damage to a Star Wars ship
>Spacedock Short >Is longer than most of his full-length videos >GG, Spacedock. GG. Love the stuff, man. Congrats on the Anniversary! Keep up the amazing work!
2:36 "if it's ironclad grey, with little spinning radar dishes and black and yellow hazard lines around the hatches, I'm probably gonna love it" Sounds like a Iron Warriors fan just waiting to happen, since that was their whole aesthetic, both for ground forces and ships...
well, the SR2 is more of a cruiser-grade ship in terms of size, and has more powerful weapons and protection than most full-on Systems Alliance cruisers. She also serves as a command ship.
Yeah... there's something weird about sci-fi that makes people call anything larger than a corvette a capital ship. Capital ships are a navy's most strategically vital craft. "The most important person on board" does not make it a capital ship; a USN destroyer is not capital because an admiral decided to run an operation from it. Battleships are real-world capital ships. Carriers are real-world capital ships. Nuclear submarines are real-world capital ships. Losing the Normandy wouldn't have crippled the Alliance Navy.
Love the list! The Venator is my favorite SW capital ship for all the reasons you mentioned. Also love the Deadalus, it makes me happy whenever the stargate ships get a look in, such a great series. :) I know the SR-2 as a capital ship is a bit divisive but I think it's well earned by the time of ME3. It housed a fleet-wide command center and thanks to the Thanix cannons it also had the offensive punch of a ship several times its size. So it might not have the hull size of other capital ships but it certainly has the capabilities of one.
The Battle of New Caprica was a travesty. Pegasus blew apart a Cylon base ship with its opening salvo. I see no reason why it couldn't have both achieved its mission of rescuing the Galactica, and survived the encounter had less suicidal tactics been implemented.
They only had enough CGI budget for 1 battlestar and simce the name of the show was Battlestar Galactica they chose to keep the little ship over the bigger more powerful ship. That's what I call very piss poor creative writing. All Adama had to do is rename Pegasus to Galactica and transfer command and then rename the Galactica and given Apollo that command. But hey I'm just a nobody with better brains on how to write a storyline than Ron Useless Moore
@@fbi805 Please, CGI budget had nothing to do with it. Even the original series sacrificed Pegasus for Galactica. The model was already created, it cost no more to include it than it did to depict any other ship in the fleet after that.
@@kennethfharkin the original series pegasus was the exact same size and identical to the Galatica. Even the producers mentioned how taxing the cost of CGI was getting to be to expensive.
Covenant CAS Class Assault Carrier is up there for me, with its hook prow. You're totally right with the Harrower. Best ship SW by a long shot. Great content as always.
OfficialBraydoz I love the super star destroyers for their shear size and intimidation on the battlefield, one of them is capable of orbital bombarding a planet to ash and also able to hold systems by itself without reinforcement. plus the shear amount of guns on that thing, there two for every molecule in your body.
Yeah, when you're flying with a band of refugees, being chased by a hostile alien race across the galaxy, the last thing you want to do is sacrifice one of your battleships when you've only got two of them.
And if you do have to sacrifice one of them, you don't sacrifice the one that is not only more heavily armed but has the means to enhance your logistical capabilities!!
Lee was handed the idiot ball because the show wasn't Refugees from the Cylons. It was Battlestar Galactica. So you need to not one up the main character.
As a fellow Star Wars and Mass Effect fan I salute you SD and congrats on a full year of content and I hope you can continue giving us beautiful ships.
I think the Venator is better suited and designed, while the Eclipse and Executor are just huge versions of essentially the same vessel. I like both of those a lot, but I think think the Venator just 'fits' better in the canon, and is so much more versatile than the huge ones.
I like how people are arguing saying certain vessels are not on this list but it's said in the beginning of this video, This is HIS favourite capital vessels
Then we would have to call the show Battlestar Pegasus. They make the Galactica an old ship forced back into the fight to give it an underdog status. To keep the Pegasus would put the fleet at less risk having a vastly superior ship still available to them. The loss of the Pegasus means the Galactica is back out of its comfort zone and drama ensues. Then again I had a problem with how rushed the final season felt all together.
Yea I get it, it was all for the sake of the show and don't take me wrong, Pegasus left in the most spectacular fashion imaginable. It's so intense when they save Galactica everytime I watch it, but at the end of the episode I always keep thinking that Lee just fucked up... :D
I dont see how keeping the Pegasus around would have been the end for the underdog status. Its like the chances to survival change from 1:10.000 to 3:10.000
my top 5: 5: Star Wars ARC-170 4:Star Gate Ha'tak 3:Star Trek Federation Saber Class 2:Star Trek TMP Constitution class 1:Star Gate Atlantis class city ship
The Arc-170 is a heavy fighter (or, using a broader term, a strike craft) not a capital ship (which are at minimum a cruiser). Nor should the Ha'tak be considered a capital ship, as it is more a heavy frigate.
It's a heavy frigate with most of its power lying in the Thanix cannon. Other than that, weight-wise, size-wise and firepower-wise, it is nothing more than a frigate. So, it cannot qualify as a capital ship no matter how one views it.
Thats why I love UNSC ships, Caldari ships from EVE Online and The Battlestars. The Ironclad, real world naval look of them and the fact they use more realistic projectile weapons and missiles, no lasers or other silly space magic weapons.
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Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel. Capital ships require a certain displacement and fleet role, frigates destroyers and corvettes are not capital ships, cruisers and above are capital ships, light cruisers are the only real grey area in naval combat And a commanding ship is a Flagship
+Shoulder Escape - that's flag ship. Any respected armada contains numerous capital ships, but there can be only one flag ship. +quigglebert: Cruisers are not capital ships as well, they are a different category. Capital ships are battleships, battle cruisers, dreadnoughts and carriers. Then there are cruisers (heavy cruisers, light cruisers, light carriers and other types of cruiserss), escort ships (destroyers, frigates and corvettes) and support ships.
"These characteristics define a capital ship: if the capital ships are beaten, the navy is beaten. But if the rest of the navy is beaten, the capital ships can still operate. Another characteristic that defines capital ships is that their main opponent is each other." Roughly how it works( I personally wouldn't not include carriers in a capital role, and instead put them in the support role, but that's just my bias)
Just going to mention that I REALLY like the UCM ship designs in Dropfleet Commander. I particularly like the Seattle-class Fleet Carrier and the Heavy Cruisers.
Mr Jay White I agree. why would you want a 50 year old ship that's falling apart when you can have a dreadnought that's more suited for your current situation.
I personally love the Venator. the sheer number of starfighters it has easily makes up for lack of firepower on that thing. stuff it full of torrents, y-wings, headhunters, v-wings and ARC's and you are ready to take on anything. Even the firepower it has it still substantial. it has a good point defense grid to backup its fighters, torpedo tubes, and the variable settings on the turbolasers give you lots of options. personally I like versatility above anything else, and the ability to hit my opponent from multiple angles.
Two Sci-Fi franchises that I love is Babylon 5 and the Honorverse. Both have amazingly well done designs that are extremely realistic, at least in universe and both actively discuss ship design and battle doctrine for those ships.
The Hacking thing was a program they had implanted as a trap across the Colonial Navy early on, it allowed them to batter the colonials to defeat in the first wave, but by only a short few days later the remaining humans had adapted all their tech so they couldn't do anything like that again. So the Pegasus and her newer Vipers were all completely safe from that hacking, and no less valuable than the older stuff. :)
something to remember is their was many different kinds of battlestar broken roughly into 3 class (technically 4 but i don't count the Orion class as it has almost none of the feature any other battlestar does) the smaller ,cheaper and faster to build Valkyrie, the original Galactica class(no confirm true class name) and the newer most powerful Mercury class however we only see the original block 1 Galactica and the Block 2 Mercury(Pegasus) in any kind of real combat so we only know about them. but yeah the Pegasus was more important Admiral Adama even knew this it why he only wanted to risk the less valuable Galactica as if the mission failed it was better for the remaining fleet to have the Pegasus
Not only that but the attack happened just as the Pegasus was getting ready for it's refit. It was as immune to the Cylon hacking as the Galactica from the very start.
+The O.D.S.T Spartan I contend your suggestion that the Culture would roll over the Imperium. They would win in the end, no doubt about it, mostly because they have absolute FTL supremacy, but it would take a while. Consider the scale of the Imperium and it's military capability, added to the fact that either the Imperium would be fighting only with The Culture rather than the 40K regulars, or the Culture would have to contend with all of the other fun threats the Imperium has to put up with.
one thing your forgot about the mercury class battle star ... it can be turned off by cylons .... while the galatica cannot ... the pegasus had an old com link interior that was being used while the newer version was being refit with the latest upgrades ... so the pegasus wasnt fully up to date as the other mercury class ships ... and so was able to survive contact with the cylons ... the rest ... well if you cant see, move, launch or shoot you dont last very long
I like the Dadaelus because it looks like it's made of Legos and has the Pickatinny Rail thing atop the forward section. My favorite style of ship is the classic Flying Saucer, and there's little to no representation of that shape in Capitol Class ships.....I suppose I should do something about that.
6:29 actually, Adama couldn't exactly move over to Pegasus when it arrived - there was an Admiral on board that outranked him at that point. Now, after that was (ahem) resolved, the logical choice would've been to switch the flag, but the show wasn't called "Battlestar Pegasus" ;)
Keep the name, move the flag. Deal with it. If you had to kill Pegasus you should do so with intelligence, not like was done. Then again this was a series which had plot lines running head first into each other and others spiraling out of control by the end. They ended it by saying "God did it" and having all the survivors condemn their children to bumping nasties with lice ridden pre-civilization humans before dying by 25.
@@kennethfharkin - oh, I don't disagree... all logic says that Pegasus should've been Adama's command ship after Cain's hasty exit from the scene. For whatever reason (stubborn sentimentality, the name of the show, whatever) he didn't. He still would've needed Galactica for The Adama Maneuver - it can pull it's flight pods in. Pegasus would've had it's flgiht pods ripped off by the forces acting on it in atmospheric free fall. And I'm with Spacedock on how the end for Pegasus was handled - Lee Adama should've been shot.
@@tuxedotservo Debatable on the bays ripping off. First we have no idea what the strength of the supports was and second it is important not to think of those things as wings. They are not high surface area / low mass objects catching air like parachutes or a bird's wings. They are relatively compact and dense with a mass relative to the area catching wind ratio relatively similar to the rest of the ship. That means the mass of the bays, and it's attraction to the planet through gravity, would most likely cause a similar rate of descent as the ship itself was facing. That means the force transferred through the supports is FAR LESS than if those were simply flat planes with minimal mass being dragged down faster than their own rate of descent would have been without the rest of Pegasus.
@@kennethfharkin - Ipoint taken. "Ripped off" was too strong a phrase. Though another issue I spotted - the inverted flight decks on the Mercury-class. The port and starboard inverted flight pods are not completely shielded by armor - a small portion of the flight decks fore and aft are exposed. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct, but wouldn't that not only expose the unprotected area of the flight decks to extreme heat, but almost redirect that heat into the inverted flight decks themselves?
@@tuxedotservo possibly. Given those flight decks are exposed to not only the cold of space but the heat of direct sun exposure. Space need not always be "cold" if directly illuminated by a star. In fact because there is no air to carry away the heat it can get very, very hot (think mercury).
Q1: Top 10 Sci-Fi Factions that could defeat the Empire. Q2: Thoughts on the Odyssey-Class USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) from Star Trek Online. Q3: What ships outside of the Stargate franchise could the BC-304 Odyssey defeat in a 1-on-1 fight Q4: Thoughts on a Stargate/Mass Effect crossover of some kind (whether it be a mod for a game or in a fanfiction), such as how it would go to what kind of effect Stargate could have on Mass Effect (weapons, shields, FTL, etc.) Q5: Top 10 Sci-Fi ships your wish you could be commanding.
Q1: Top 10 Sci-Fi Factions that could defeat the Empire. There is more than 10, but some have multiply factions in them, and a bit unsure on Dune, but it is a galaxy spanding millitary empire with instent teleportation of it's fleets. Warhammer 40K: All major factions. Star Trek: All major factions. Halo: Precursors/Flood and Forerunners. Dr. Who: Daleks, Time lords. Dune: The Empire, SG-1: Replicators, Ancient and The Planet builders. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Imperial Galactic Government
for sg1 you missed the asgard and earth(though earth only if they stop being stupid and start using all the fucking tech they have as well as disclose the stargate. furling are unknown and the nox could hid but are not likely to fight at all. their also other but if i or you had to list them all it take forever
I left out the Asgard because of there lack of ground troops and weak bodies, thought powerfull ships they would have a hard time in terms of numbers and toughness, also they don't have a large Empire as such, they are also pacifist by nature. And earth have to little of a military and navy to make a dent in the Empire.
But they state in the series that they don't have the power to deal with a full on war with the system lords, as they are simply to few and too stretch out, so they where basically fooling the Goauld., And the beam weapons and teleporters would reck a lot of the empire's forces, but I still feel they don't have the numbers or the will, remember they would rather seek an uneasy peace than fight. And in a prolong war we know they would lose as they are a dying race because of their biologi.
Does the Normandy SR-2 count as a capital ship? The SSV Normandy SR-1 was just a frigate, nowhere close to a capital ship. The SR-2 was said to be about twice the size, and the wiki says that there are some planets it can't land on, but given how much larger other ships compared to it it just doesn't seem to fit that category.
I know this is an old comment but technically Frigate and up are capital ships by today's naval standards. So the SR-1 was technically a capital ship as well.
@dar'man beskar Ordo You're the only asshole here, bud, neither do you know what you're talking about. Frigates are not considered capital ships neither in modern day naval terminology (at least not in the US, UK, or Russia) nor in ME by the Alliance. SSV Normandy was not a capital ship, and frigates in ME are escort/screen vessels. What they call "frigates" appear to be used (Normandy being an exception as it's not a frontline combat vessel, but a scout ship) similarly to WW1/WW2 destroyers, to screen capital ships and engage enemy vessels with torpedoes.
when i looked at the Venator from the front, the bridge reminded me of the eyes of a boxer shrimp. much like the boxer shrimp, when the Venator opens up and starts punching, it's going to hurt. noticed a few bits of information you forgot to mention. the Normandy SR-2 was bassed on the design for a combination of Human and Turian technology and navy standards. the problem with admiral Adama making the Pegasus his flagship was that another admiral already had command of it, and she was not very friendly to civilians. you might like the Conqueror class Star Destroyer Spacedock, it's a modified version of a Imperial 2 Star Destroyer with a smaller, and much less powerful, version of the Death Stars super laser.
@@commanderbracey7501 I meant specifically when Macross "transformed" into a configuration that "looked like a humanoid robot" to fire the super weapon, but it also wasn't really supposed to be a robot thing. Why make it change to look like a robot? It looks ridiculous. The fighters transforming was great though. I thought Transformers was just made to try to sell toys. A good amount of the toys were already made, they just needed to acquire rights and make a show. And the toys were just various transforming robot things. It's also where a lot of designs for Battletech came from, until it turned out that they didn't actually have permission to sell the rights to the designs.
I felt the normandy sr-2 interior could been vastly improved in layout, like crew quarters and med bay swapped. They didn't need such a huge medical bay, and the crew sleeping area was tiny and cramped.
I knew BSG would get #1, the ship designs were just great, the older designs too from the first war, and the Pegasus did dwarf the Galactica, which was crazy since the Galactica was huge. I always wondered why that one background ship in the fleet had A gravity ring, when they have "gravity plating" for the series. Older design ?
***** it used to be the venator star destroyer, but then i used a retribution battleship to ram to dead 4 escorts in battlefleet gothic while lauthing like a maniac, and the venator flew out of the window.
James Yeow a little less than 50 meters wide, which is for the nova gun, biggest in the imperium. Although the retribution uses plasma macro batteries.
The Normandy SR-2 Stealth Reconnaissance variant starship is a frigate, not a cruiser at 216 meters in length. Alliance cruisers average between 6-700 meters in length.
Adama couldn´t move his flag from the center of his political and military power to the ship operated by CREW, wich was practically in war with him and wich loyalties to him is more than questionable. What he SHOULD have done almost instantly after the fleets departure from human space, is to start a construction of picket, or pick some existing smaller, fast and agile civilian ships in the fleet, sieze them for military purposes, arm them (optimaly with something modular and possibly detachable, to cover more flexible the possible mission scenarios from all-out war from up close, acros the "speedy long range nuke fire support/sniping of enemy ships" or to pathfinding, or stealth reconosance) to the teeths and use them. Like the Adriatic, but faster, better armed and much frequently used. Galactica is a carrier. With a lot of guns, but stil a carrier, therefore best way to use it in a battle is to utilize a carrier support group. If they actually USE their "salvage and repair ship/mobile dock platform" to BUILD an ACTUAL combat ship (or three) in between the sizes of raptor and Colonial one, it will complement the (military part of) fleet amizingly.
One could make a list solely with B5 ships. I love how every race has some kind of theme going that also reflects their culture: the Minbari ships are sleek, exotic and dangerous looking; Narn designs are straightforward, primal and warlike while Centauri ships look as powerful as they look regal and showy (purple!); Earthforce ships are utilitarian and look like they can take as much damage as they can dish out; the old rivals of Vorlons and Shadows are also distinctive in two very unique ways, perfectly taken to the next level when they start bringing planetkillers to the battlefield. Just awesome designs all around.
Indeed, which is funny because I think I remember Daniel complaining about the stupidity of the "inertial dampeners" and yet, 5 out of 5 capital ships impossible to exist without such mumbo-jumbo technology
tricky2k To be honest, just having B5 make a showing in general would have been nice, as it took such things into account. Whilst the show did include inertial dampening tech, it was for races which were more advanced than humanity. I just chose the Omega as it's my favourite, but the Hyperion or Nova could also be candidates.
Well that was one of the key things that made ship tech in B5 great. all the races developed at different rates. the ancients using bio organic living ships and more advanced younger races like minbari using gravitic tech and active stealth. leaving many of the other younger races to work with zero G or spinning sections like narns and humans. for the record I was always a fan of narn ship designs especially in the B5 wars expanded universe-the space wedge lives on!
SR2 Normandy is more akin to a cruiser than a capital ship. Capital ships are "a large warship such as a battleship or aircraft carrier," although I'll count battlecruisers as such. Even with the Thanix cannon, it would still be hard to justify calling the Normandy a capital ship as she typically operates independently of a fleet, something capital ships don't do. You could call the Normandy a flagship as Admiral Hackett (a flag officer) commands the fleet to take back Earth from her. For comparison, Admiral Nimitz's flagship during WWII was a submarine, although he never used it as such.
LOL. You're right about The Pegasus. It was the better design and fitting ship for the role, than the Galactica. But... The show is named: BattleStar Galactica, so...
Now I love the Venator and Normandy and they are two of my fabourite ships. But there are a few solvent points that need to be made. Idislike how high up and exposed the bridge and fighter control are on the Venator, it makes it too easy to cripple the ship by killing the commanders, better to bury the bridge inside the ship surrounded by armour. I also don’t like how long the bridge area is on the Normandy, the guy flying the ship is on the other side from the captain of the vessel and all other stations are spread in between. On an actual warship they pack the stations Bridge and CIC close together so that they can communicate easily, and a lot of the time unless under general quarters people manning the CIC will be whispering to each other to keep the noise down.
I would love to see a video of how you set up a scenario taken from the comments section suggestions perhaps and then do a simulated battle. For example 3 Bc-304s come upon a venator in an dense asteroid field, how would it go, is this something you might be interested in?
This is exactly the kind of thing i'll be working on once the first Patreon Milestone is reached. More info below. th-cam.com/video/ON0wKf6HJhU/w-d-xo.html
Just for curiosity. How you gonna deal with the difference in what is physically posible betwen universes? I remember a discusion on one of your videos about who would win (ME reapers vs SW Super star destroyer) and all comes down to the fact that one of them could do anything they like and the other not. You will divide them in categories to avoid overkills?
BC-304s are kind of unfairly overpowered. The shields and beam weapons they use put most other SyFy ships to shame. I honestly think that 3 of them would smoke most anything, but again, I also don't think it's a fair comparison.
Taonas Oh i completely agree, 1 bc-304 post refit would decimate a fleet of venators. I added dense asteroid field to help force part of the battle between f302s and arc 170s or some such but in any case the bc-304 would annihilate the venator. It was just an example though something more realistic would be could 10 super star destroyers kill the odyssey before it beamed nukes aboard them all.
I might be making this clearer in a video soon, but if Versus is funded I intend to assemble an exhaustive list of rules cataloged in a separate video, all fights will take place in outside of the universes of both IP's, all energy weapon and shield yields will be brought to a neutral range to allow fair competition, and unreasonable pairings like BC-304 vs Mercury Class Battlestar will never be covered (That fight would be 2 seconds long no matter what rules were employed). This will be planned in far greater detail to make sure all eventualities are covered once the funding is reached. :D
TECK3 it's a great ship very functional in carrying out all the duties of a capital ship I also love the BC304 because of its light multi role capability and also the Andromeda Acendant because it's got an almost fully automated system and the ship can relatively be self sufficient being able to convert solar radiation into fuel from the sun and turning asteroids into ammo I mean that was just cool when they described it.
Infinity as a captain ship is awesome. It’s massive and intimidating, functionally built, and incorporates technologies we’ve seen develop in Halo. Plus it brings its own fleet to the party
That's not even true in the Gundam series considering the OG Gundam itself launches from White Base, a capital ship much like stuff listed here. And in other series where that is more true and Gundams are ridiculous like G-Wing, it's because the vehicles are powered by the most absurd rule of cool anime BS.
I smiled when the daedalus popped up.... oh how i love stargate :)
Ohhh oh oh.... The Prometheus... >>"
So Underrated. Star Gate the entire franchise was just gold. I even enjoyed SGU, and wished it had more time to develop what it wanted to do.
I loved the wraith and the space vampire thing with green skin and black leather clothes etc, if I in of the wraith I would take all the hives and cruisers to a planet that produces lighting naturally alot of it and just park it in it and let the ships grow I'll have a entire fleet of super hive and super cruiser ships each being a capital ship in it's own right and it takes 8 months to grow a hive ship a few months to go super and do that for a year making many for ships I'll have the Strongest fleet , and I found out wraith can feed on animals but prefer humans because they love the thrill of it , so just got to find planets rich with animal life and I can feed my wraiths and I'll declare war on everyone building a empire fighting the humans, gau'ld, Jaffa, Lucian allience, go to Ori galaxy and go to the Galaxy where the ship destiny was and fight the nakia and drone ships kicking ass lol
Yes yes
So good
Lee Adama.
Gets given a fighter. Gets it blown up.
Gets given a Battlestar. Gets it blown up.
Gets given a fleet. Gets it blown up.
...least he's consistent.
@@humaneIP "Is"
Consistent is good. You could say he is very reliable.
"Blink's"
@@humaneIP ...least he's consistent.
Yeah, but he pulled off a lot of magic in season one.
I like how you include stargate ships as I think the often over looked and not given the credit they deserve
I know, right?! Such an underrated show
There is a serious lack of consideration of Babylon 5...
These shuttles ..?..their a formidable craft? Yes?
Master Bra 'Tac
@@mrbeard3150 Bra'tac --but yes. Great line!
@@mrbeard3150 who is Greytag?
Space Battleship Yamato not in your rankings?
Totally agree with your Stargate opinions. Fantastic series and fantastic aesthetic.
The Yamato is not that advanced of a ship apart from the Wave Motion technology, the epicness of its story was the crew.
@@SantomPh I don't know, it singlehandedly destroyed the Gamelons. It also was capable of absorbing massive damage while being able to dole out great pain with its shock cannons. The early battle off Pluto showed the pre-Yamato Earth force getting owned, then the Yamato comes in and wipes the floor with the Gamelons. Something changed besides the wave-motion gun. Still, you make a good point.
@@SantomPh as we see with squadrons it seems that small and fast projectiles can go through shields so I think that the Yamato’s conventional shells could do quite a bit of damage to a Star Wars ship
The Yamato would surely among the most effective capital ships. But the design is a bit trashy. ;-)
Agreed, I think the SR2 Normandy should be replaced with the Space Battleship Yamato in this lineup.
>Spacedock Short
>Is longer than most of his full-length videos
>GG, Spacedock. GG.
Love the stuff, man. Congrats on the Anniversary! Keep up the amazing work!
Yeah "Spacedock Short" is pretty much just code for "Not about a specific ship" they are all shorts really tbh xD
2:36 "if it's ironclad grey, with little spinning radar dishes and black and yellow hazard lines around the hatches, I'm probably gonna love it"
Sounds like a Iron Warriors fan just waiting to happen, since that was their whole aesthetic, both for ground forces and ships...
That is a name I have heard in a long time, in a long long time. Not since third edition I think?
I was hoping for some mention of 40k in the video... Guess I’ll settle for this shoutout in the comments
Dude, I wouldn't call Normandy a capital ship, I'd sub that out for something else.
well, the SR2 is more of a cruiser-grade ship in terms of size, and has more powerful weapons and protection than most full-on Systems Alliance cruisers. She also serves as a command ship.
Yeah... there's something weird about sci-fi that makes people call anything larger than a corvette a capital ship. Capital ships are a navy's most strategically vital craft. "The most important person on board" does not make it a capital ship; a USN destroyer is not capital because an admiral decided to run an operation from it. Battleships are real-world capital ships. Carriers are real-world capital ships. Nuclear submarines are real-world capital ships. Losing the Normandy wouldn't have crippled the Alliance Navy.
@@Eiskralle1 I thought the sr1 was basically a corvette and sr2 a little bigger than a frigate.
@@immortallvulture yeah it is
The SR2 was quite large, frigate-level big. It pretty much was a capital ship.
I think we all wanted the Peggy to survive. I believe there was even a minor revolute among the film crew with sign saying "Save the Pegasus!"
Love the list! The Venator is my favorite SW capital ship for all the reasons you mentioned. Also love the Deadalus, it makes me happy whenever the stargate ships get a look in, such a great series. :)
I know the SR-2 as a capital ship is a bit divisive but I think it's well earned by the time of ME3. It housed a fleet-wide command center and thanks to the Thanix cannons it also had the offensive punch of a ship several times its size. So it might not have the hull size of other capital ships but it certainly has the capabilities of one.
The Battle of New Caprica was a travesty. Pegasus blew apart a Cylon base ship with its opening salvo. I see no reason why it couldn't have both achieved its mission of rescuing the Galactica, and survived the encounter had less suicidal tactics been implemented.
Agree, and they didnt even used the secondary batteries.. they just used it as a goddarn bowling pin!
They only had enough CGI budget for 1 battlestar and simce the name of the show was Battlestar Galactica they chose to keep the little ship over the bigger more powerful ship. That's what I call very piss poor creative writing. All Adama had to do is rename Pegasus to Galactica and transfer command and then rename the Galactica and given Apollo that command. But hey I'm just a nobody with better brains on how to write a storyline than Ron Useless Moore
@@fbi805 Please, CGI budget had nothing to do with it. Even the original series sacrificed Pegasus for Galactica. The model was already created, it cost no more to include it than it did to depict any other ship in the fleet after that.
@@kennethfharkin the original series pegasus was the exact same size and identical to the Galatica. Even the producers mentioned how taxing the cost of CGI was getting to be to expensive.
Thomas Delgado you are right, you are a nobody. Doubt the “brains” part though...
Covenant CAS Class Assault Carrier is up there for me, with its hook prow.
You're totally right with the Harrower. Best ship SW by a long shot. Great content as always.
OfficialBraydoz I love the super star destroyers for their shear size and intimidation on the battlefield, one of them is capable of orbital bombarding a planet to ash and also able to hold systems by itself without reinforcement. plus the shear amount of guns on that thing, there two for every molecule in your body.
Steadfst I love the CSO class super carrier and I would make it my flagship for a fleet. (Its and extremely upscaled CAS)
I would have included the O'Neill class Asgard Battleship. Just a beautiful, bad ass ship.
"But we had to blow it up"
>sad O'Neill
I think the Galactica looks way cooler but god damn it what a waste of a ship.
Brent Borders Exactly. I would have shot Lee myself lol
The original BSG is where it's at
Yeah, when you're flying with a band of refugees, being chased by a hostile alien race across the galaxy, the last thing you want to do is sacrifice one of your battleships when you've only got two of them.
And if you do have to sacrifice one of them, you don't sacrifice the one that is not only more heavily armed but has the means to enhance your logistical capabilities!!
Lee was handed the idiot ball because the show wasn't Refugees from the Cylons. It was Battlestar Galactica. So you need to not one up the main character.
As a fellow Star Wars and Mass Effect fan I salute you SD and congrats on a full year of content and I hope you can continue giving us beautiful ships.
I'm suprise the UNSC Infinity wasn't on this list.
I was expecting the Long Night of Solace, or the Executor class Star Destroyer.
big log of shit
Zach Haake i dont get why the venator is in the list when theres the eclipse and executor
sure, its a gigantic 5.6km flying hexagon
but that is much better than a fake capital ship (the Normandy is a bloody frigate, not a capital)
I think the Venator is better suited and designed, while the Eclipse and Executor are just huge versions of essentially the same vessel. I like both of those a lot, but I think think the Venator just 'fits' better in the canon, and is so much more versatile than the huge ones.
I like how people are arguing saying certain vessels are not on this list but it's said in the beginning of this video, This is HIS favourite capital vessels
My thoughts on Pegasus exactly! :D great choices (y)
Then we would have to call the show Battlestar Pegasus. They make the Galactica an old ship forced back into the fight to give it an underdog status. To keep the Pegasus would put the fleet at less risk having a vastly superior ship still available to them. The loss of the Pegasus means the Galactica is back out of its comfort zone and drama ensues. Then again I had a problem with how rushed the final season felt all together.
Yea I get it, it was all for the sake of the show and don't take me wrong, Pegasus left in the most spectacular fashion imaginable. It's so intense when they save Galactica everytime I watch it, but at the end of the episode I always keep thinking that Lee just fucked up... :D
MrHusker1996 I agree with you both. Lee fucked up, needed to destroy pegasus formthe show, and the final season was rushed. Yup, agreed.
I dont see how keeping the Pegasus around would have been the end for the underdog status. Its like the chances to survival change from 1:10.000 to 3:10.000
Presbiter more like 1:1
all this has happened before and will happen again
Though the venator is one of my favorite ships, after further observation...... it kinda looks like a gungan
my top 5:
5: Star Wars ARC-170
4:Star Gate Ha'tak
3:Star Trek Federation Saber Class
2:Star Trek TMP Constitution class
1:Star Gate Atlantis class city ship
The Arc-170 is a heavy fighter (or, using a broader term, a strike craft) not a capital ship (which are at minimum a cruiser). Nor should the Ha'tak be considered a capital ship, as it is more a heavy frigate.
sr2 is more of a heavy corvette or light frigate
Bradknightable actually SR2 is a bit bigger than most frigates in mass effect. Only a bit.
Damjan Medur so its a heavy frigate?
Robert Harris
A frigate with cruiser level fire power after the weapon upgrade in me2
It's a heavy frigate with most of its power lying in the Thanix cannon. Other than that, weight-wise, size-wise and firepower-wise, it is nothing more than a frigate. So, it cannot qualify as a capital ship no matter how one views it.
@@DoctorLifeMD Frigates are technically capital ships.
Your thoughts on the Harrower-Class:
Kira: Did all the designers go over to the dark side?
Thats why I love UNSC ships, Caldari ships from EVE Online and The Battlestars. The Ironclad, real world naval look of them and the fact they use more realistic projectile weapons and missiles, no lasers or other silly space magic weapons.
The great Thing about Stargate: they have both and it actually works
Apologies for my spoiler-laden rant at 5:44 lol, please go to 6:42 if you want to skip to the Q&A info.
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Oh yeah!
Spacedock it's fine bro
Pls do the Ships on 40k warhammer
I thought the exact same thing.
Spacedock can you make video about battlestar pegasus
the SR2? isnt it a Frigate? Hardly a capital ship
capital ship does not necessary mean large ship, it just means that it is a commanding ship
Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel. Capital ships require a certain displacement and fleet role, frigates destroyers and corvettes are not capital ships, cruisers and above are capital ships, light cruisers are the only real grey area in naval combat
And a commanding ship is a Flagship
+Shoulder Escape - that's flag ship. Any respected armada contains numerous capital ships, but there can be only one flag ship.
+quigglebert: Cruisers are not capital ships as well, they are a different category. Capital ships are battleships, battle cruisers, dreadnoughts and carriers. Then there are cruisers (heavy cruisers, light cruisers, light carriers and other types of cruiserss), escort ships (destroyers, frigates and corvettes) and support ships.
"These characteristics define a capital ship: if the capital ships are
beaten, the navy is beaten. But if the rest of the navy is beaten, the
capital ships can still operate. Another characteristic that defines
capital ships is that their main opponent is each other." Roughly how it works( I personally wouldn't not include carriers in a capital role, and instead put them in the support role, but that's just my bias)
the SR2 is neither a flagship or a capital class vessel (ie. no carrier, primary combatant role)
@rant: totally agree! the pegasus' one flaw was "narrative vulnerability".
How is it that a small, lighter armored ship takes more damage than a larger, more heavily armored ship?
Plot armor
Galactica had it, Pegasus did not
cylon goop
She killed (was it) 3 basestars when she died. Much love for the Beast.
Gotta agree with you about the waste of the Pegasus, but darn if Galactica isn't one tough ol' girl. She really is the main character of BSG.
One of my favorite capital ships if it can be considered one has to be City Ship Atlantis.
Just going to mention that I REALLY like the UCM ship designs in Dropfleet Commander. I particularly like the Seattle-class Fleet Carrier and the Heavy Cruisers.
For reference: i.yuki.la/tg/1476565437961.jpg Seattle
ugh. loss of the pegasus pissed me off no end.
they should have thrown the galactica under the cylon bus then 'recommissioned' pegasus as galactica.
Mr Jay White I agree. why would you want a 50 year old ship that's falling apart when you can have a dreadnought that's more suited for your current situation.
That's.... Because of the plot.
Pegasus has everything, but Adama jr. broke it :(
I personally love the Venator. the sheer number of starfighters it has easily makes up for lack of firepower on that thing. stuff it full of torrents, y-wings, headhunters, v-wings and ARC's and you are ready to take on anything. Even the firepower it has it still substantial. it has a good point defense grid to backup its fighters, torpedo tubes, and the variable settings on the turbolasers give you lots of options. personally I like versatility above anything else, and the ability to hit my opponent from multiple angles.
Warhammer 40K Gloriana class Battleship
Amanda Franks
Anything built by the orks simply due to the rediculous amount of personalization some ork players put in to their ships.
Which one? They all looked different because they were converted to the Legions needs.
@@maukka1545 probably the Macragges Honor seeing as thats the most well depicted one out there
5:44 is the best part from Spacedock ever.
Two Sci-Fi franchises that I love is Babylon 5 and the Honorverse. Both have amazingly well done designs that are extremely realistic, at least in universe and both actively discuss ship design and battle doctrine for those ships.
I would put in an honorable mention for the Omega class destroyer.
I agree with the Honorverse ships, but it's the vessels that get themselves screentime that get the votes 😢
I quite fancy the Omega-Class Destroyers from Babylon 5. Especially the angled bridge at the front. Just perfect.
I thought the point of a fifty year old Galactica was that is was not networked. The Cylons can take over all the newer Battlestars. Am I correct?
The Hacking thing was a program they had implanted as a trap across the Colonial Navy early on, it allowed them to batter the colonials to defeat in the first wave, but by only a short few days later the remaining humans had adapted all their tech so they couldn't do anything like that again. So the Pegasus and her newer Vipers were all completely safe from that hacking, and no less valuable than the older stuff. :)
something to remember is their was many different kinds of battlestar broken roughly into 3 class (technically 4 but i don't count the Orion class as it has almost none of the feature any other battlestar does) the smaller ,cheaper and faster to build Valkyrie, the original Galactica class(no confirm true class name) and the newer most powerful Mercury class however we only see the original block 1 Galactica and the Block 2 Mercury(Pegasus) in any kind of real combat so we only know about them. but yeah the Pegasus was more important Admiral Adama even knew this it why he only wanted to risk the less valuable Galactica as if the mission failed it was better for the remaining fleet to have the Pegasus
Not only that but the attack happened just as the Pegasus was getting ready for it's refit. It was as immune to the Cylon hacking as the Galactica from the very start.
David Kelly: more specifically her network was down for the refit. So the hacking program couldn't do it's magic.
interesting, I missed that point
On the Normandy, i agree with what you said other than i MUCH prefer the ME2 layout to ME3's layout of the ship
Ever consider the ships in Homeworld? That was an amazing 3D space RTS. The ship designs in that game were pretty interesting and technical.
@ 6:30 , you are correct , I asked the same damn question !!!
I just love the constitution class from Star Trek. So iconic.
Moore shall never be forgiven.
No wonder that he managed to compose one of the worst endings ever for a TV show, only challenged by Lost and GoT.
Do a video on The Emperor Class Battleship from Warhammer 40k! THE EMPEROR COMMANDS IT!
By Dorn, bring out the Phalanx.
And a gloriana
Kinda hoped to see the Phalanx on number one
It's obvious that he knows jack about 40K, but then 40K is so epic that they stomp everyone else
+The O.D.S.T Spartan
I contend your suggestion that the Culture would roll over the Imperium.
They would win in the end, no doubt about it, mostly because they have absolute FTL supremacy, but it would take a while.
Consider the scale of the Imperium and it's military capability, added to the fact that either the Imperium would be fighting only with The Culture rather than the 40K regulars, or the Culture would have to contend with all of the other fun threats the Imperium has to put up with.
one thing your forgot about the mercury class battle star ... it can be turned off by cylons .... while the galatica cannot ... the pegasus had an old com link interior that was being used while the newer version was being refit with the latest upgrades ... so the pegasus wasnt fully up to date as the other mercury class ships ... and so was able to survive contact with the cylons ... the rest ... well if you cant see, move, launch or shoot you dont last very long
Can you do one about covenant supercarrier?
CSO-class supercarrier
LNoS
The Harrower class is badass!
The alliance sr-2 refit left me saying “what the hell did you do to my ship?” Wires and boxes unsecured all over the place
Right? I hated that guard station and scanner between the CIC and War Room
They were mid refit when the reapers arrived
@@asgerkrogh5671 yet they had time for that scanner between the war room and everything else.
I imagine it would be considered a critical system and would be installed before tidying everything up.. yeah :p
I like the Dadaelus because it looks like it's made of Legos and has the Pickatinny Rail thing atop the forward section. My favorite style of ship is the classic Flying Saucer, and there's little to no representation of that shape in Capitol Class ships.....I suppose I should do something about that.
6:29 actually, Adama couldn't exactly move over to Pegasus when it arrived - there was an Admiral on board that outranked him at that point. Now, after that was (ahem) resolved, the logical choice would've been to switch the flag, but the show wasn't called "Battlestar Pegasus" ;)
Keep the name, move the flag. Deal with it. If you had to kill Pegasus you should do so with intelligence, not like was done. Then again this was a series which had plot lines running head first into each other and others spiraling out of control by the end. They ended it by saying "God did it" and having all the survivors condemn their children to bumping nasties with lice ridden pre-civilization humans before dying by 25.
@@kennethfharkin - oh, I don't disagree... all logic says that Pegasus should've been Adama's command ship after Cain's hasty exit from the scene. For whatever reason (stubborn sentimentality, the name of the show, whatever) he didn't.
He still would've needed Galactica for The Adama Maneuver - it can pull it's flight pods in. Pegasus would've had it's flgiht pods ripped off by the forces acting on it in atmospheric free fall.
And I'm with Spacedock on how the end for Pegasus was handled - Lee Adama should've been shot.
@@tuxedotservo Debatable on the bays ripping off. First we have no idea what the strength of the supports was and second it is important not to think of those things as wings. They are not high surface area / low mass objects catching air like parachutes or a bird's wings. They are relatively compact and dense with a mass relative to the area catching wind ratio relatively similar to the rest of the ship. That means the mass of the bays, and it's attraction to the planet through gravity, would most likely cause a similar rate of descent as the ship itself was facing. That means the force transferred through the supports is FAR LESS than if those were simply flat planes with minimal mass being dragged down faster than their own rate of descent would have been without the rest of Pegasus.
@@kennethfharkin - Ipoint taken. "Ripped off" was too strong a phrase.
Though another issue I spotted - the inverted flight decks on the Mercury-class. The port and starboard inverted flight pods are not completely shielded by armor - a small portion of the flight decks fore and aft are exposed. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct, but wouldn't that not only expose the unprotected area of the flight decks to extreme heat, but almost redirect that heat into the inverted flight decks themselves?
@@tuxedotservo possibly. Given those flight decks are exposed to not only the cold of space but the heat of direct sun exposure. Space need not always be "cold" if directly illuminated by a star. In fact because there is no air to carry away the heat it can get very, very hot (think mercury).
X3's Boron Ray.
"Despite the Borons peaceful nature this ship makes them very deadly !"
Q1: Top 10 Sci-Fi Factions that could defeat the Empire.
Q2: Thoughts on the Odyssey-Class USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) from Star Trek Online.
Q3: What ships outside of the Stargate franchise could the BC-304 Odyssey defeat in a 1-on-1 fight
Q4: Thoughts on a Stargate/Mass Effect crossover of some kind (whether it be a mod for a game or in a fanfiction), such as how it would go to what kind of effect Stargate could have on Mass Effect (weapons, shields, FTL, etc.)
Q5: Top 10 Sci-Fi ships your wish you could be commanding.
Q1: Top 10 Sci-Fi Factions that could defeat the Empire. There is more than 10, but some have multiply factions in them, and a bit unsure on Dune, but it is a galaxy spanding millitary empire with instent teleportation of it's fleets.
Warhammer 40K: All major factions. Star Trek: All major factions. Halo: Precursors/Flood and Forerunners. Dr. Who: Daleks, Time lords. Dune: The Empire, SG-1: Replicators, Ancient and The Planet builders. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Imperial Galactic Government
for sg1 you missed the asgard and earth(though earth only if they stop being stupid and start using all the fucking tech they have as well as disclose the stargate. furling are unknown and the nox could hid but are not likely to fight at all. their also other but if i or you had to list them all it take forever
I left out the Asgard because of there lack of ground troops and weak bodies, thought powerfull ships they would have a hard time in terms of numbers and toughness, also they don't have a large Empire as such, they are also pacifist by nature. And earth have to little of a military and navy to make a dent in the Empire.
the asgard don't need to fight on the group thou they can(they use power armor for that) they just use beaming tech to unmake any ground based enemy
But they state in the series that they don't have the power to deal with a full on war with the system lords, as they are simply to few and too stretch out, so they where basically fooling the Goauld., And the beam weapons and teleporters would reck a lot of the empire's forces, but I still feel they don't have the numbers or the will, remember they would rather seek an uneasy peace than fight. And in a prolong war we know they would lose as they are a dying race because of their biologi.
Congrats on your 1st year!!
Does the Normandy SR-2 count as a capital ship? The SSV Normandy SR-1 was just a frigate, nowhere close to a capital ship. The SR-2 was said to be about twice the size, and the wiki says that there are some planets it can't land on, but given how much larger other ships compared to it it just doesn't seem to fit that category.
I know this is an old comment but technically Frigate and up are capital ships by today's naval standards. So the SR-1 was technically a capital ship as well.
With the Thanix cannon upgrade, it can go toe-to-toe with cruisers.
@@artembentsionov true, but it always needs recalibrating.
It has the Armorment to rival a Cruiser and a War room(something only capital ships have) it qualities as a capital ship in every way but size
Gotta say, Battlestar Pegasus and Mercury class for sure!!
Normandy is not a capital ship!
dar'man beskar Ordo since when is it?
dar'man beskar Ordo no, I meant since when is a frigate a capital ship?
Frigates habe only been used to describe capital ships during the second half (roughly) of the 19th century
@dar'man beskar Ordo You're the only asshole here, bud, neither do you know what you're talking about. Frigates are not considered capital ships neither in modern day naval terminology (at least not in the US, UK, or Russia) nor in ME by the Alliance. SSV Normandy was not a capital ship, and frigates in ME are escort/screen vessels. What they call "frigates" appear to be used (Normandy being an exception as it's not a frontline combat vessel, but a scout ship) similarly to WW1/WW2 destroyers, to screen capital ships and engage enemy vessels with torpedoes.
The SR2 is twice the size of the frigate class SR1. That's the reasoning.
when i looked at the Venator from the front, the bridge reminded me of the eyes of a boxer shrimp. much like the boxer shrimp, when the Venator opens up and starts punching, it's going to hurt. noticed a few bits of information you forgot to mention. the Normandy SR-2 was bassed on the design for a combination of Human and Turian technology and navy standards. the problem with admiral Adama making the Pegasus his flagship was that another admiral already had command of it, and she was not very friendly to civilians. you might like the Conqueror class Star Destroyer Spacedock, it's a modified version of a Imperial 2 Star Destroyer with a smaller, and much less powerful, version of the Death Stars super laser.
I know this video is old, but I LOVE the Torchwood theme intro! One of the all time best sci-fi shows ever.
Both Normandy SR1 & SR2 were frigates. SR1 was more specifically a stealth frigate.
You need to know Macross series.
You will love the SDF 1.
SDF-1 is a classic. Though my personal favorite would be SDF/C-108 Macross Elysion.
The dimensional fortresses were very impressive. 👍
I only didn't like when it changed to look like a humanoid robot... that was kind of dumb.
@@adamofblastworks1517 battloid mode was the coolest. That's where the idea for transformers came from. The storyline was good too.
@@commanderbracey7501 I meant specifically when Macross "transformed" into a configuration that "looked like a humanoid robot" to fire the super weapon, but it also wasn't really supposed to be a robot thing. Why make it change to look like a robot? It looks ridiculous.
The fighters transforming was great though.
I thought Transformers was just made to try to sell toys. A good amount of the toys were already made, they just needed to acquire rights and make a show. And the toys were just various transforming robot things.
It's also where a lot of designs for Battletech came from, until it turned out that they didn't actually have permission to sell the rights to the designs.
I felt the normandy sr-2 interior could been vastly improved in layout, like crew quarters and med bay swapped. They didn't need such a huge medical bay, and the crew sleeping area was tiny and cramped.
Make something about EVE ONLINE!!!
can't agree more,especially the Drifters and Triglavians who must be the deadliest ships in Sci-Fi
To me, the Daedalus looks like an upscaled Avenger from the original X-Com
I've always loved the Mon Calamari cruisers! The overall organic look to em has always stuck with me.
I knew BSG would get #1, the ship designs were just great, the older designs too from the first war, and the Pegasus did dwarf the Galactica, which was crazy since the Galactica was huge. I always wondered why that one background ship in the fleet had A gravity ring, when they have "gravity plating" for the series. Older design ?
man no one ever loves starcraft xd
one of my favourites that I never see mentioned is the spear of adun as well as the standard battlecruiser.
Achilleas Angelopoulos
Quite a cool design. Love their missile spam
I like the old Protoss mother ships.
Carrier has arrived
UNSC Frigate is my favorite ship just the look with the engines in their own separate sections of the ship and rail gun
Star Trek fans be like: “Where's the Enterprise? This list is blasphemy!"
The Enterprise is a terrible design. It's literally a painted Target with fragile engines toothpicked onto it
@Rafael Saullo Marques I think he meant the Federation ship designs
6:30 EXACTLY!! I Was SOOO like "WTF" when they decided to destroy it. It was the worst tactical move ever.
my favourite starship right now is the retribution battleship.
***** w40k retribution battleship
***** it used to be the venator star destroyer, but then i used a retribution battleship to ram to dead 4 escorts in battlefleet gothic while lauthing like a maniac, and the venator flew out of the window.
The true line ship, makes me wonder what is the size of a macro-cannon shell.
James Yeow a little less than 50 meters wide, which is for the nova gun, biggest in the imperium.
Although the retribution uses plasma macro batteries.
The Normandy SR-2 Stealth Reconnaissance variant starship is a frigate, not a cruiser at 216 meters in length. Alliance cruisers average between 6-700 meters in length.
Lee Adama was a good captain, until he wasted the Pegasus.
Dude. The Arcadia of Captain Harlock Space Pirate
1:00 I swear that looks like Jar-Jar's head!
Glad I'm not the only one.
Me-sa seeing what you-sa saying.
Has anybody noticed that the Venator class looks like Jar Jar Binks when looked at from the front?
Adama couldn´t move his flag from the center of his political and military power to the ship operated by CREW, wich was practically in war with him and wich loyalties to him is more than questionable. What he SHOULD have done almost instantly after the fleets departure from human space, is to start a construction of picket, or pick some existing smaller, fast and agile civilian ships in the fleet, sieze them for military purposes, arm them (optimaly with something modular and possibly detachable, to cover more flexible the possible mission scenarios from all-out war from up close, acros the "speedy long range nuke fire support/sniping of enemy ships" or to pathfinding, or stealth reconosance) to the teeths and use them. Like the Adriatic, but faster, better armed and much frequently used. Galactica is a carrier. With a lot of guns, but stil a carrier, therefore best way to use it in a battle is to utilize a carrier support group. If they actually USE their "salvage and repair ship/mobile dock platform" to BUILD an ACTUAL combat ship (or three) in between the sizes of raptor and Colonial one, it will complement the (military part of) fleet amizingly.
The Prometheus design from the BSG remake fanfic.
Me: *sees lack of “divine intervention”
Also me: * angry imperial noises *
Thank you give us more!
Shadow battlecrab, in another league than these mechanical ships and way more creative.
One could make a list solely with B5 ships. I love how every race has some kind of theme going that also reflects their culture: the Minbari ships are sleek, exotic and dangerous looking; Narn designs are straightforward, primal and warlike while Centauri ships look as powerful as they look regal and showy (purple!); Earthforce ships are utilitarian and look like they can take as much damage as they can dish out; the old rivals of Vorlons and Shadows are also distinctive in two very unique ways, perfectly taken to the next level when they start bringing planetkillers to the battlefield. Just awesome designs all around.
My wife still gets mad at me when I say that they should have sacrificed the Galactica and saved the Pegasus.
Disappointed by the lack of Omega Destroyer (B5) in this list :(
Indeed, which is funny because I think I remember Daniel complaining about the stupidity of the "inertial dampeners" and yet, 5 out of 5 capital ships impossible to exist without such mumbo-jumbo technology
tricky2k To be honest, just having B5 make a showing in general would have been nice, as it took such things into account. Whilst the show did include inertial dampening tech, it was for races which were more advanced than humanity. I just chose the Omega as it's my favourite, but the Hyperion or Nova could also be candidates.
Well that was one of the key things that made ship tech in B5 great. all the races developed at different rates. the ancients using bio organic living ships and more advanced younger races like minbari using gravitic tech and active stealth. leaving many of the other younger races to work with zero G or spinning sections like narns and humans. for the record I was always a fan of narn ship designs especially in the B5 wars expanded universe-the space wedge lives on!
Gotta say, I love the Minbari Sharlin class warcruiser. I find it to be a refreshingly original design.
I vote for the Narn Heavy Cruiser! :)
the normandy is a frigate XD aint even a destroyer, is just an escort, if you like it too much just add it to a escort/screens/light ship list
I think he did. More specifically he added the SR-1.
SR2 Normandy is more akin to a cruiser than a capital ship. Capital ships are "a large warship such as a battleship or aircraft carrier," although I'll count battlecruisers as such. Even with the Thanix cannon, it would still be hard to justify calling the Normandy a capital ship as she typically operates independently of a fleet, something capital ships don't do. You could call the Normandy a flagship as Admiral Hackett (a flag officer) commands the fleet to take back Earth from her. For comparison, Admiral Nimitz's flagship during WWII was a submarine, although he never used it as such.
The Rocinante from the Expanse please.
I believe it is coming. Looking forward to that one myself.
JHS270694 He did the Donnager.
yeah i just saw it thanks
Rhonard Bryce-Thurton No prob. Love that ship. Even if it didn't last long against six stealth ships. :P
Swidhelm The Donnager was the one destroyed by the six stealth ships. The Rocinante (originally Tachi) was the small ship Holden & co escaped on.
LOL. You're right about The Pegasus. It was the better design and fitting ship for the role, than the Galactica. But... The show is named: BattleStar Galactica, so...
Cries in MCRN Donnager.
Harrower is my favorite star wars spacecraft too
Regarding the number one on your list: I totally agree with your judgement. Court martial for Apollo.
Thanks for the spoiler alert. Although I have not seen it, Battlestar Galactica is on my watch list.
#spacedockQ&A if the second death star were to be completed, do you think the rebels would have been able to stop it?
ColdColeman 456 no IMO
Congrats on a year! I love your vids.
I love your videos, keep them coming!
the Omega Class Destroyer from Babylon 5 is up there.
Wake up Chief, I need you
lol...wake up to space journey
Now I love the Venator and Normandy and they are two of my fabourite ships. But there are a few solvent points that need to be made.
Idislike how high up and exposed the bridge and fighter control are on the Venator, it makes it too easy to cripple the ship by killing the commanders, better to bury the bridge inside the ship surrounded by armour.
I also don’t like how long the bridge area is on the Normandy, the guy flying the ship is on the other side from the captain of the vessel and all other stations are spread in between.
On an actual warship they pack the stations Bridge and CIC close together so that they can communicate easily, and a lot of the time unless under general quarters people manning the CIC will be whispering to each other to keep the noise down.
I would love to see a video of how you set up a scenario taken from the comments section suggestions perhaps and then do a simulated battle. For example 3 Bc-304s come upon a venator in an dense asteroid field, how would it go, is this something you might be interested in?
This is exactly the kind of thing i'll be working on once the first Patreon Milestone is reached. More info below.
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Just for curiosity. How you gonna deal with the difference in what is physically posible betwen universes?
I remember a discusion on one of your videos about who would win (ME reapers vs SW Super star destroyer) and all comes down to the fact that one of them could do anything they like and the other not. You will divide them in categories to avoid overkills?
BC-304s are kind of unfairly overpowered. The shields and beam weapons they use put most other SyFy ships to shame. I honestly think that 3 of them would smoke most anything, but again, I also don't think it's a fair comparison.
Taonas Oh i completely agree, 1 bc-304 post refit would decimate a fleet of venators. I added dense asteroid field to help force part of the battle between f302s and arc 170s or some such but in any case the bc-304 would annihilate the venator. It was just an example though something more realistic would be could 10 super star destroyers kill the odyssey before it beamed nukes aboard them all.
I might be making this clearer in a video soon, but if Versus is funded I intend to assemble an exhaustive list of rules cataloged in a separate video, all fights will take place in outside of the universes of both IP's, all energy weapon and shield yields will be brought to a neutral range to allow fair competition, and unreasonable pairings like BC-304 vs Mercury Class Battlestar will never be covered (That fight would be 2 seconds long no matter what rules were employed). This will be planned in far greater detail to make sure all eventualities are covered once the funding is reached. :D
My number 1 would have been the TCS Vesuvius (and TCS St Helens) from Wing Commander 4
UNSC Infinity is, without question, my favorite ship in any sci-fi series.
TECK3 it's a great ship very functional in carrying out all the duties of a capital ship I also love the BC304 because of its light multi role capability and also the Andromeda Acendant because it's got an almost fully automated system and the ship can relatively be self sufficient being able to convert solar radiation into fuel from the sun and turning asteroids into ammo I mean that was just cool when they described it.
TECK3 a ship so cool. It launches heavy frigates from its underside bays not just puny fighters and dropships like the rest of these ships.
Infinity as a captain ship is awesome. It’s massive and intimidating, functionally built, and incorporates technologies we’ve seen develop in Halo. Plus it brings its own fleet to the party
I agree with all but number one. It has always look like a inflatable pool toy to me. Or maybe a parody of the Galactica.
As much as I love BSG, none of these turn into a giant robot, SDF-1 sinks any of these and their fleets. None of those could even stand up to a Gundam
That's not even true in the Gundam series considering the OG Gundam itself launches from White Base, a capital ship much like stuff listed here. And in other series where that is more true and Gundams are ridiculous like G-Wing, it's because the vehicles are powered by the most absurd rule of cool anime BS.
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