23:03-23:17. "I'm sometimes accused of not being practical in this book. Somehow, people are under the mistaken impression that calling for the dethroning an entire ruling class is not a simple practical solution." -Anand Giridharadas
The Mastermind yep. definitely. You know , usually when we say “ today is the best day of my life” , we don’t literally mean it that way, because we have other days in our lives that we’ve called “ the best day of our life”
The Indian guy lets his ideology (mis) inform his understanding of how the world works. He thinks a capitalist economy is a zero-sum game, where the rich can only get rich by stealing from the poor. Big Lie!! When the highly talented, highly productive get richer, we all get richer. Certainly the super talented get richer than we do, but we all benefit.
Unfortunately, with Super Tuesday in the can now, Bernie's hopes and dreams (and ours with them as I am a Progressive...) are sadly done. We have to look to groom someone else to run in 2024 and while many will naturally gravitate towards AOC it will remain to be seen in the interim if her arc continues to climb.
I work in development and Anand has articulated what I've been thinking lately; namely that development initiatives seem to be plasters on gaping wounds. A lot of effort goes into designing interventions (funded by philanthropists) to improve societal outcomes but with little change. As a simple example, consider development aid to a country like Iraq. Public health programmes and humanitarian relief etc. are important, but what is the problem that needs to fixed? Poor health outcomes? High unemployment? Or an international legal system which allows the invasion of another country with impunity? The world over, the first two will receive a lot of attention. Veto power in the UN? Not so much. I just came across a quote from Rob Reich which I thought captures just what I must've been trying to say: "Charity and justice are conceptually distinct. For me, justice represents the effort to provide a set of institutional arrangements to meet the basic needs of people, to ensure that people receive that to which they are entitled. And charity represents the effort to try and provide direct services to people. In that respect, charity is a good thing - it provides people things that they might deserve or need. But it doesn’t get at the root source of the problem. For example, is donating money or volunteering at the soup kitchen going to bring an end to hunger? The two are completely separate things."
I hope Joy Reid soaked that critique up. She’s one of the main talking heads on tv that slams Bernie Sanders, the only politician talking seriously about inequality, healthcare needs and climate change. People want economic justice in America not more corporate democrats and their republican lite policies.
Virtue-signaling at lip-frothing level here, Travis. One would think you confused Joy for Donna Brazile, of DNC. Did Reid's employer MSNBC do Bernie wrong? Reid works for them but that they're the most stalwart against Trump & FOX shouldn't necessarily sway you - away from the gripe re: Bernie's treatment, but going after Reid (!?!?) for being "one of the main talking heads on TV that slams Bernie" sounds like you're hearing things. I've not heard her then, pre-election, or after "slamming" Bernie.
Travis Lawrence, being a former new yorker, i.e. a former resident of Rich-i-stan, and residing in the other Rich-i-stan: LA; Joy Reid’s thinking is how many wealthy liberals think. I think thats why, when bernie “lost” the primary and the chants started for Hillary, thats when I learned to hate liberals. I think Anaid PERFECTLY captures the culture of that thinking, and the resultant pathology of billionaires. Just discovered him this morning. Adding him to my reading lint below: Chris hedges Naomi klein Jared lanier Cornel west Adam curtis (documentarian) Henry Giroux Richard wolff Yanis Varoufakus Mark Blythe Ralph nader
@@TheVFXbyArt Completely in tune with you, being liberal, and being left wing, are very different things, I agree with your list, and am sure you already know some of the great honest, real journalists and opinion writers I would add, are Abby Martin, The Intercept, Democracy Now, The Micheal Brooks Show and Majority Report, and The Real News. I deeply admire Nina Turner, and have also seen the piece that Chris Hedges did on the pathology of the rich. One of the first people I thought of, was Meghan McCain, spoiled, unhappy woman that she is.
This was an excellent, straightforward talk about a critically important issue in our world. I would ask a question about the topic of: How is money created? Why are the bankers of the Federal Reserve able to create money for the cost of the paper and ink and loan it to us at interest? Money as debt. We can never pay it off. Perhaps, changing this paradigm is a piece of the solutions we are looking for.
Fine, he's a bummer at times. But the quality of his expressions, the authenticity of his research, and his breadth of actual knowledge make him valuable. I like positive and hope-filled too, most of the time. But the vinegar of Hedges does not mean he can't be bracing, used to help us get back into the cold He's not preventing you or me from fixing things even if he is not the guy you or I would recruit the masses.
I agree that Hedges presents a very bleak picture of the American future and that Giridharadas is more upbeat and optimistic. The problem is that Giridharadas little to say about how, practically, we get to a better future. The corporate forces ranged against any progressive vision are by now so powerful it seems inconceivable to me that ordinary people could ever realistically challenge their control.
I can listen to Anand all day....as a retired person with plenty of time on my hands...I think I shall.... Marvelous Joy-Ann Reid... terrific interview...thank you.
AGREE... Anand is speaking truth to power and pointing out the USAs hugh inequities and imbalances deliberately designed in the "rigged system" that works ONLY for the few elites...the billionaires.
It's nice to see Ms. Reid take a break from trolling real progressives to actually hear one out ----- now, maybe, she'll be fair and honest about people like Sanders. We can only hope.
Edifying conversation but many commenting are missing the point that our collective deriliction of individual personal responsibility - evidenced in our rampant consumerism and our willful ignorance of history, science, technology, economy and geo-politics (despite having information and insights more available than ever thanks to the internet) which should inform how we impact the world - are major drivers of the very same status quo we rail against. Bashing Joy Ann Reid may make us feel good but doesn't excuse our own poor choices.
You are blaming the electorate. Most working people have few choices and are not free to choose workplace democracy or sustainable forms of production. So your blame is, I would say, stupid, ignorant and useless. Yes, people make poor choices, but without true social democracy they can hardly make others. That’s why when a true social democrat runs for POTUS in some far flung future, the choice to vote for them will be a mere crack in the neoliberal fortress. A lot more systemic change will be needed to allow people greater justice and freedom to make wise choices.
Your appeal to information as a solution whereby people can make smarter choices reeks of class blindness and ignorance. You need to visit some poor neighborhoods and real working people to see that they are not free to simply choose nice green sustainable options. Most working class people are so in debt they make dumb consumer choices because they just cannot afford that Prius or marked up sustainably produced product. Stop putting the blame on “individual responsibility”. You get better collective decisions only when society is structured cooperatively, not competitively and individualistically.
Clearly, some have misunderstood that I am referring not to the compulsive choices of those who are railroaded by economic circumstance but those who, despite real access to enlightened choice and resources, make wasteful and self-serving lifestyle decisions. The poor are not racking up enormous levels of creditcard debt puchasing entertainment, clothes, shoes and jewelry to wear for one night or one season, buying sprawling homes for families of two and four or gentrifying urban neighbourhoods at the expense of poor renters, driving diesel guzzling pickup trucks to city jobs, buying more food than they can realisticly consume, or littering the ocean with Keurig single serve k-cups. No, it's entitled folks like you and me who feel that only millionaires and billionaires contribute to the world's injustices, even as we enrich them to do so with our hard-earned money. Lashing out at each other is convenient but time to look at the proverbial man/woman in the mirror and do our part to protect our fellow man and planet by holding our public servants accountable and to higher standards beyond election season and making better daily choices.
You have a point Ann-Marie, and I do agree with you somewhat. However, it still doesnt remove the fact that these fat-cat billionaires benefit from an unequal system and mainly show-boat with their charitable contributions.
@@AnnMarieKing Where does the responsibility lie? With the individual or the system? This is a crucial point. While individually we all make decisions, it is important to take into account a political and economic system which shepherds us to make choices we think are our own when they are not. A system where education prepares us to be a cog in the machine, money is free speech and relentless bombardment by advertisers doesn't even raise an eyebrow. The value that we attach to things and which we use when making decisions about buying a pickup truck or Keurig single serve k-cups doesn't come from nowhere. Very smart people try to influence our behaviours so that we will become atomised units of consumption. To quote the matrix "choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without" As a concrete example, consider, Kevin, the guy in the audience who wanted to work in data journalism but was being wooed by Wall Street with everything that that offered: all that comes with status and money. In a society that values these things over, say, happiness, or sees these things as means to happiness, means that making decisions that benefit society and the individual seem improbable. Individuals have a choice to make, sure. But that shouldn't distract us from the urgent problem of a system designed to favour a few.
I wonder if Joy actually left with any introspection at all... None that's useful, if any at all, I'm thinking... Anand is an impressive and compassionate thinker. I'm looking forward to reading his book and hearing more from him. I've recently been watching his media appearances and he's saying things that really need to be said.
Is Joy an elite? She like many of us, got a job to pay her bills and feed her kids. We keep attacking the foot soldiers and forget the generals because we don’t see them.
I like the national service idea, and in fact was thinking about the Swiss and their national service as he led up to that comment. Doing this would put EVERYONE out in our world to see the realities. e.g. Help out in poverty areas, so that you BAKE IN A SENSE of what the REALITY IS THERE.
Unfortunately, with Super Tuesday in the can now, Bernie's hopes and dreams (and ours with them as I am a Progressive...) are sadly done. We have to look to groom someone else to run in 2024 and while many will naturally gravitate towards AOC it will remain to be seen in the interim if her arc continues to climb.
a lot of this debate was covered in a little known novel written by jack London in 1910(?)….it is the iron heel and describes an America totally run by the wealthy for the wealthy and the uprising that followed
The power to Amend allows us to curtail Facebook's abuses. For example, an amendment could say, "The right of privacy, essential for stability, intimacy, and a safeguard against tyrrany, shall be protected against all unwarranted forms of intrusion into one's personal life, property, residence, communications, or any other private matters."
Her on point snark makes one wonder why she impugned Bernie at any possible opportunity for a year and a half. Haven't watched her recently, don't know if she's still on it.
Let us try to understand that liberty is not power. And power cannot ensure liberty to individual..Let us try to find ways alternative to power in the context of liberty
"Living with Dignity and common primary education for all" - if this is made mandatory objectives for all governments many of our problems would not exist. In a society there will always be rich and poor people. Being poor is unavoidable. But being poor without dignity is avoidable. And only the State can make this happen.
I'd love be to watch,but Joy .... Can't get past how much she has turned into the biggest corporate shill. Absolutely adore Anand Giridharadas, though! #BernardSanders2020
There’s a lot of criticism in the comments here of Joy for being in support of the crony Democrats in the past. But I must say this is a great paradigm shift that these commentators that previously supported the corporate friendly politics are now railing against it. This is great for us, we need to more encourage other ‘moderate’ commentators to come around too. This is becoming an avalanche and this can only be good.
Andrew Carnegie's libraries did a lot of good, but at the same time working men were dying in his steel mills.. Better have a government that provides great libraries, and worker owned mills where safety and equity are prioritized
Edgar Arenas I don’t think he means that there’s no place for philanthropy. Rather, that the wealthy use their philanthropic work as a shield from being socially responsible and paying into government run systems that are far more effective at creating change in peoples’ lives. You could always find progressive candidates to donate to 😁
Rebekah P well said. Anand said corporate donations give us a false sense of change. That we need to empower government by allowing laws, not money to speak for democracy right? 🤓
I don't know anyone living below the poverty line who has received a check from a billionaire. I have always been a white knuckling--bootstrapping woman because I have known for a long time that help isn't coming. It amazes me when people are shocked and dismayed about how hard people struggle and why it doesn't get better for them. Instead, they are routinely blamed for their own poverty and suffering.
@1:00:00 approximately: National Service , , , YES! Years ago, in the 80's, I worked at a State Hospital with the profoundly retarded. I thought as I stood over my charges who laid on blankets on the floor, spasming, twitching, drooling, both sexes, all races, that if only everyone could see how life hands out misery so arbitrarily to humanity it would better prepare the viewer be they incipient leader, worker, breeder, lover for their role in their future life. Perhaps just such shared experiences could be the very linchpin to save humanity from itself. Thank you Anand.
Imagine a country where political campaigns are financed with taxes and a person who runs for office isn't dependent on donors. Imagine a political party where financial contributions are reported to the public. Does it work without corruption? No, don't be that naive. But in Germany it works this way. You don't need to be a Billionaire to be able to run. It's time to take the money out of politics. It's overdue, America, to initiate real change.
I don't get his point on Goldman Sachs being the product of the "working" system... as if that's something to be proud of. By that logic East India Company was a product of an excellent system too. The fact that you have an environment/system that allows for a creation of such a monstrosity is exactly the problem.
The extreme taking is accomplished systematically due to their private for-profit money system, with cover from the government they bought, that creates all our money as interest bearing debt, a system that concentrates wealth moving wealth from bottom to top.
Anand makes points but this is basically the capitalization of left leaning ideolgies into micro niche markets. Parsing out a myriad of ways in which yes even us well intentioned progressives are capable of offense. I think it's the wrong direction to move in. MLK nailed it. A shared culture of basic values. It's simple. It works.
Although I have yet to see a strategic plan coalesce towards overcoming neoliberalism and its fascist drift, i see glimpses of understanding at the subconscious level. And, this is a good beginning as the deconstruction of neoliberal ideology will require a global shift in the ethos of our collective solidarity.
That the outcome of capitalism is the haves and have nots but nothing is necessarily inevitable? Hell, we're going through a rough time as it is trying to push the minimum wage to $15/hr ($15 really is still not enough)! The plutocrats say it's too much! Have people forgotten the price of Real Estate and food lately? America has more people in poverty than Venezuela has people! America, the riches country? I guess the more they say it the more people believe it.
There is noting particularly earth shaking about his book and its ideas. Its all just a another, jazzy way of saying: "big business and top level executives will behave in a such a way as to protect what they have built and freeze out competition" There is nothing novel in this idea. He does however suggest that somehow regulation is required and the somehow bigger government is a solution to these issues when ... If you switch government for business and politician \ party for executive in the sentence above ... the sentence remains just as true. The issue with his philosophy , which sounds great on the surface, is that it has and relies on an idealistic + positive view of human nature. Plus it leans on the collective vs the individual. And that's where he gets it wrong. To be workable in practice, any philosophy and solution has to account for the fact human's are a; shitty , evolutionary, survival first creature. Until your philosophy addresses that, its unicorns that are likely to do more harm than good.
Yes! And most interestingly , I think the IDW evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein seems to be of a mind and treading a path that agrees with you. He is clearly of the opinion , despite all his time spent deep observing and studying evolution in various animals + humans .. . that we are nearing a point where human's need and want to break away from "evolutionary patterns and norms". if we are to be able to cope with the ever increasing pace of technological change we are introducing.
You are right, government and business have opposing interests. But what he says here is that both should coexist. In today's times this is not happening, businesses are at 90 and government /regulation is at 10. We need to restore the balance and then they both can play offense and defense with each other. Also, we need to write more laws that never allows the power scales to tip so low in either direction.
It is certainly true that there is something called "wealth privilege." My dad grew up extremely poor (able to eat meat maybe 10x/year) in Communist China and studied his way to a top university, immigrated to Canada and to US. Now, he is a senior pharma chemist, making 120k/year+. Fortunately, I got some of the advantages of going to university with no disadvantages (parents helped pay $20k & graduate MS with a net worth of 40k). I did obtain a fellowship, so even if I didn't receive any help I would have graduated debt free. Sure, it was an average public university, but I managed to get a decent engineering job (luckily, this job I found myself completely online, so no help from parents). I still follow the mentality that the "rich" will solve most of the problems. Following the mentality that the "poor" will rise up is a foolhardy endeavor.
Damn right about Joy Ann Reid. Has she become woke, or in 2020 will we see her shilling for Kamala Harris or whoever becomes the centrist corporate neoliberal candidate? I could tag #Bernie2020 but really the movement for democracy should become bigger than Bernie and AOC.
JESUS FRANKENSTEIN! Joy Ann Reid almost destroyed my eardrums yelling into her mic! As if she didn’t understand that it increased the volume of her voice so that the people in the back of the room could hear her. Otherwise, a brilliant talk by one of the most inspiring writers of the decade.
The only differences of the element ingredients between the West and East is the "soul", "empathy", and virtue of basic "humanity" that the West never equipped with to able make the world a better place. in short, a Culture without a "heart" , "spirit" (every aspect is relevant compared to the East humanized Cultures) couldn't bear the capacities making difference of status quo. So, the story is not the 1% are greedy, yes, it is, But "Apathy" in DNA and in their blood failed to changed the world. Me, Me, Me society is the r"oad block" for social change. That is, unless you upheaval the transfixed culture system
Yes and Joy-Ann Reid is a huge part of the problem you are discussing. Imagine if we had Bernie, who Joy denigrated over the entire primary cycle. Shame.
Yes Xian, but most of the population don't read, and are mostly unaware of the deep, biased & imbedded laws created to allow the imbalances that the poor ignorant, uneducated cannot break thru or change.
23:03-23:17. "I'm sometimes accused of not being practical in this book.
Somehow, people are under the mistaken impression that calling for the dethroning an entire ruling class is not a simple practical solution." -Anand Giridharadas
George Berven that comment was beautiful.
Support your public libraries folks.
"Trickle - Down Development..." Masterfully articulated arguments presented by Anand Giridharadas.
I have never agreed with anybody more than Anand Giridharadas
Im sure Noam Chomsky and richard wolff would also be agreeable to you
The Mastermind yep. definitely. You know , usually when we say “ today is the best day of my life” , we don’t literally mean it that way, because we have other days in our lives that we’ve called “ the best day of our life”
I agree with you, lol
The Mastermind (and I would add Chris Hedges)... But I think Anand says it so plainly and precisely that there is no question left...no ambiguity.
The Indian guy lets his ideology (mis) inform his understanding of how the world works. He thinks a capitalist economy is a zero-sum game, where the rich can only get rich by stealing from the poor. Big Lie!! When the highly talented, highly productive get richer, we all get richer. Certainly the super talented get richer than we do, but we all benefit.
Thank you, Anand Giridharadas.
Who is ready for #Bernie2020 ?
I am! 😀
Me 3
Unfortunately, with Super Tuesday in the can now, Bernie's hopes and dreams (and ours with them as I am a Progressive...) are sadly done.
We have to look to groom someone else to run in 2024 and while many will naturally gravitate towards AOC it will remain to be seen in the interim if her arc continues to climb.
I work in development and Anand has articulated what I've been thinking lately; namely that development initiatives seem to be plasters on gaping wounds. A lot of effort goes into designing interventions (funded by philanthropists) to improve societal outcomes but with little change.
As a simple example, consider development aid to a country like Iraq. Public health programmes and humanitarian relief etc. are important, but what is the problem that needs to fixed? Poor health outcomes? High unemployment? Or an international legal system which allows the invasion of another country with impunity? The world over, the first two will receive a lot of attention. Veto power in the UN? Not so much.
I just came across a quote from Rob Reich which I thought captures just what I must've been trying to say:
"Charity and justice are conceptually distinct. For me, justice represents the effort to provide a set of institutional arrangements to meet the basic needs of people, to ensure that people receive that to which they are entitled. And charity represents the effort to try and provide direct services to people. In that respect, charity is a good thing - it provides people things that they might deserve or need. But it doesn’t get at the root source of the problem. For example, is donating money or volunteering at the soup kitchen going to bring an end to hunger? The two are completely separate things."
I hope Joy Reid soaked that critique up. She’s one of the main talking heads on tv that slams Bernie Sanders, the only politician talking seriously about inequality, healthcare needs and climate change. People want economic justice in America not more corporate democrats and their republican lite policies.
Virtue-signaling at lip-frothing level here, Travis. One would think you confused Joy for Donna Brazile, of DNC. Did Reid's employer MSNBC do Bernie wrong? Reid works for them but that they're the most stalwart against Trump & FOX shouldn't necessarily sway you - away from the gripe re: Bernie's treatment, but going after Reid (!?!?) for being "one of the main talking heads on TV that slams Bernie" sounds like you're hearing things. I've not heard her then, pre-election, or after "slamming" Bernie.
Travis Lawrence, being a former new yorker, i.e. a former resident of Rich-i-stan, and residing in the other Rich-i-stan: LA; Joy Reid’s thinking is how many wealthy liberals think. I think thats why, when bernie “lost” the primary and the chants started for Hillary, thats when I learned to hate liberals. I think Anaid PERFECTLY captures the culture of that thinking, and the resultant pathology of billionaires. Just discovered him this morning. Adding him to my reading lint below:
Chris hedges
Naomi klein
Jared lanier
Cornel west
Adam curtis (documentarian)
Henry Giroux
Richard wolff
Yanis Varoufakus
Mark Blythe
Ralph nader
JP51ism pedantic.
@@Johnkostercreative Elaborate.
@@TheVFXbyArt
Completely in tune with you, being liberal, and being left wing, are very different things, I agree with your list, and am sure you already know some of the great honest, real journalists and opinion writers I would add, are Abby Martin, The Intercept, Democracy Now, The Micheal Brooks Show and Majority Report, and The Real News.
I deeply admire Nina Turner, and have also seen the piece that Chris Hedges did on the pathology of the rich. One of the first people I thought of, was Meghan McCain, spoiled, unhappy woman that she is.
This was an excellent, straightforward talk about a critically important issue in our world. I would ask a question about the topic of: How is money created? Why are the bankers of the Federal Reserve able to create money for the cost of the paper and ink and loan it to us at interest? Money as debt. We can never pay it off. Perhaps, changing this paradigm is a piece of the solutions we are looking for.
America earning from lending to other countries .
He's like an easier to digest Chris Hedges. Super eloquent like Hedges but more upbeat.
I cannot listen to Chris Hedges. Progressives who make their audiences feel negative and hopeless are preventing people from trying to fix things.
Fine, he's a bummer at times. But the quality of his expressions, the authenticity of his research, and his breadth of actual knowledge make him valuable. I like positive and hope-filled too, most of the time. But the vinegar of Hedges does not mean he can't be bracing, used to help us get back into the cold He's not preventing you or me from fixing things even if he is not the guy you or I would recruit the masses.
I agree that Hedges presents a very bleak picture of the American future and that Giridharadas is more upbeat and optimistic. The problem is that Giridharadas little to say about how, practically, we get to a better future. The corporate forces ranged against any progressive vision are by now so powerful it seems inconceivable to me that ordinary people could ever realistically challenge their control.
Hedges is an amazing mind to follow … sadly, he is bitter… and rightly so
I can listen to Anand all day....as a retired person with plenty of time on my hands...I think I shall....
Marvelous Joy-Ann Reid... terrific interview...thank you.
My prurient intrigue brought me here, as Joy-Ann Reid is such a ding-dong.
Big fan of Anand...!!
This man needs to keep speaking in public. People need to hear this.
I'm sure she's bitting her tongue when hes critiquing her beloved Clinton's.
Randomly Came across this video and bought his book immediately
We need a 15 minute highlight reel of this. Just the juicy stuff.
- truth bomb after truth bomb
45:42. The core problem of our time, and the mechanism of how the private sector captured govt. Everything becomes centric to the market. Its tragic!
Such a smart man and love Joy!!!
Brilliant guy..
AGREE... Anand is speaking truth to power and pointing out the USAs hugh inequities and imbalances deliberately designed in the "rigged system" that works ONLY for the few elites...the billionaires.
When the winners take over change they change change...it's fake change...nailed it !
The "rebel-king" ....terrific description Anand....
It's nice to see Ms. Reid take a break from trolling real progressives to actually hear one out ----- now, maybe, she'll be fair and honest about people like Sanders. We can only hope.
Funny.
Bet you not a chance, her big corpo salary pays her to ignore wee the peeple. She is part of the problem and always will be.
Don't hold your breath
I think she's sociopathic and will never change.
Edifying conversation but many commenting are missing the point that our collective deriliction of individual personal responsibility - evidenced in our rampant consumerism and our willful ignorance of history, science, technology, economy and geo-politics (despite having information and insights more available than ever thanks to the internet) which should inform how we impact the world - are major drivers of the very same status quo we rail against. Bashing Joy Ann Reid may make us feel good but doesn't excuse our own poor choices.
You are blaming the electorate. Most working people have few choices and are not free to choose workplace democracy or sustainable forms of production. So your blame is, I would say, stupid, ignorant and useless. Yes, people make poor choices, but without true social democracy they can hardly make others. That’s why when a true social democrat runs for POTUS in some far flung future, the choice to vote for them will be a mere crack in the neoliberal fortress. A lot more systemic change will be needed to allow people greater justice and freedom to make wise choices.
Your appeal to information as a solution whereby people can make smarter choices reeks of class blindness and ignorance. You need to visit some poor neighborhoods and real working people to see that they are not free to simply choose nice green sustainable options. Most working class people are so in debt they make dumb consumer choices because they just cannot afford that Prius or marked up sustainably produced product. Stop putting the blame on “individual responsibility”. You get better collective decisions only when society is structured cooperatively, not competitively and individualistically.
Clearly, some have misunderstood that I am referring not to the compulsive choices of those who are railroaded by economic circumstance but those who, despite real access to enlightened choice and resources, make wasteful and self-serving lifestyle decisions. The poor are not racking up enormous levels of creditcard debt puchasing entertainment, clothes, shoes and jewelry to wear for one night or one season, buying sprawling homes for families of two and four or gentrifying urban neighbourhoods at the expense of poor renters, driving diesel guzzling pickup trucks to city jobs, buying more food than they can realisticly consume, or littering the ocean with Keurig single serve k-cups. No, it's entitled folks like you and me who feel that only millionaires and billionaires contribute to the world's injustices, even as we enrich them to do so with our hard-earned money. Lashing out at each other is convenient but time to look at the proverbial man/woman in the mirror and do our part to protect our fellow man and planet by holding our public servants accountable and to higher standards beyond election season and making better daily choices.
You have a point Ann-Marie, and I do agree with you somewhat. However, it still doesnt remove the fact that these fat-cat billionaires benefit from an unequal system and mainly show-boat with their charitable contributions.
@@AnnMarieKing Where does the responsibility lie? With the individual or the system? This is a crucial point.
While individually we all make decisions, it is important to take into account a political and economic system which shepherds us to make choices we think are our own when they are not. A system where education prepares us to be a cog in the machine, money is free speech and relentless bombardment by advertisers doesn't even raise an eyebrow. The value that we attach to things and which we use when making decisions about buying a pickup truck or Keurig single serve k-cups doesn't come from nowhere. Very smart people try to influence our behaviours so that we will become atomised units of consumption. To quote the matrix "choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without"
As a concrete example, consider, Kevin, the guy in the audience who wanted to work in data journalism but was being wooed by Wall Street with everything that that offered: all that comes with status and money. In a society that values these things over, say, happiness, or sees these things as means to happiness, means that making decisions that benefit society and the individual seem improbable.
Individuals have a choice to make, sure. But that shouldn't distract us from the urgent problem of a system designed to favour a few.
I wonder if Joy actually left with any introspection at all... None that's useful, if any at all, I'm thinking... Anand is an impressive and compassionate thinker. I'm looking forward to reading his book and hearing more from him. I've recently been watching his media appearances and he's saying things that really need to be said.
Is Joy an elite? She like many of us, got a job to pay her bills and feed her kids. We keep attacking the foot soldiers and forget the generals because we don’t see them.
I like the national service idea, and in fact was thinking about the Swiss and their national service as he led up to that comment.
Doing this would put EVERYONE out in our world to see the realities. e.g. Help out in poverty areas, so that you BAKE IN A SENSE of what the REALITY IS THERE.
Great Conversation!
#Bernie2020
Unfortunately, with Super Tuesday in the can now, Bernie's hopes and dreams (and ours with them as I am a Progressive...) are sadly done.
We have to look to groom someone else to run in 2024 and while many will naturally gravitate towards AOC it will remain to be seen in the interim if her arc continues to climb.
a lot of this debate was covered in a little known novel written by jack London in 1910(?)….it is the iron heel and describes an America totally run by the wealthy for the wealthy and the uprising that followed
No one ever has given up power without a fight.
This video now opens up with a disclaimer....interesting.
Let them eat cake!...a grand way to set a revolution in motion.
The power to Amend allows us to curtail Facebook's abuses. For example, an amendment could say, "The right of privacy, essential for stability, intimacy, and a safeguard against tyrrany, shall be protected against all unwarranted forms of intrusion into one's personal life, property, residence, communications, or any other private matters."
A partial antidote to Steven Pinker
He does a better job in the talk with Ezra Klein (also on youtube)
Pinker is trash
Could they have given them a smaller table tho? Love Anand!
I love how joy responses to the speaker ❤️
Her on point snark makes one wonder why she impugned Bernie at any possible opportunity for a year and a half. Haven't watched her recently, don't know if she's still on it.
Let us try to understand that liberty is not power. And power cannot ensure liberty to individual..Let us try to find ways alternative to power in the context of liberty
Joy needed to hear that sermon
"Living with Dignity and common primary education for all" - if this is made mandatory objectives for all governments many of our problems would not exist. In a society there will always be rich and poor people. Being poor is unavoidable. But being poor without dignity is avoidable. And only the State can make this happen.
Aaaaaaand now Howard Schultz now wants to be a firefighter....
The apparatus of justification 🌏😲☕
at 11:19 correction...Trump inherited about 400 million bucks
Thank you, I wondered about that.
I'd love be to watch,but Joy .... Can't get past how much she has turned into the biggest corporate shill.
Absolutely adore Anand Giridharadas, though!
#BernardSanders2020
There’s a lot of criticism in the comments here of Joy for being in support of the crony Democrats in the past. But I must say this is a great paradigm shift that these commentators that previously supported the corporate friendly politics are now railing against it. This is great for us, we need to more encourage other ‘moderate’ commentators to come around too. This is becoming an avalanche and this can only be good.
Andrew Carnegie's libraries did a lot of good, but at the same time working men were dying in his steel mills.. Better have a government that provides great libraries, and worker owned mills where safety and equity are prioritized
Im never going to donate again. I didn’t realize I was hurting more than saving.
Edgar Arenas I don’t think he means that there’s no place for philanthropy. Rather, that the wealthy use their philanthropic work as a shield from being socially responsible and paying into government run systems that are far more effective at creating change in peoples’ lives.
You could always find progressive candidates to donate to 😁
Rebekah P well said. Anand said corporate donations give us a false sense of change. That we need to empower government by allowing laws, not money to speak for democracy right? 🤓
Yep! 👍
I don't know anyone living below the poverty line who has received a check from a billionaire. I have always been a white knuckling--bootstrapping woman because I have known for a long time that help isn't coming. It amazes me when people are shocked and dismayed about how hard people struggle and why it doesn't get better for them. Instead, they are routinely blamed for their own poverty and suffering.
@25:00 enter Sir Humphrey Appleby...
it will never change. bill gates is at the core of this garabge.
@1:00:00 approximately: National Service , , , YES! Years ago, in the 80's, I worked at a State Hospital with the profoundly retarded. I thought as I stood over my charges who laid on blankets on the floor, spasming, twitching, drooling, both sexes, all races, that if only everyone could see how life hands out misery so arbitrarily to humanity it would better prepare the viewer be they incipient leader, worker, breeder, lover for their role in their future life. Perhaps just such shared experiences could be the very linchpin to save humanity from itself. Thank you Anand.
Tax the rich!!! Restore our democracy with citizen amendment power.
Joy Ann Reid is complicit in all of it. I love Anand, but Joy openly shills for the people he rages against!
It's ironic that the host mispronounced Carnegie seconds after making an issue of how to pronounce Piketty 7:20 . But I did like the content !
Imagine a country where political campaigns are financed with taxes and a person who runs for office isn't dependent on donors. Imagine a political party where financial contributions are reported to the public. Does it work without corruption? No, don't be that naive. But in Germany it works this way. You don't need to be a Billionaire to be able to run. It's time to take the money out of politics. It's overdue, America, to initiate real change.
Anand makes a lot of sense but Tesla and Spacex are not monopolies.
What did Siri say?
I don't get his point on Goldman Sachs being the product of the "working" system... as if that's something to be proud of. By that logic East India Company was a product of an excellent system too. The fact that you have an environment/system that allows for a creation of such a monstrosity is exactly the problem.
Most people don't make their fate 🤔🚘
Why does joy Ann Reid sound like she actually gets it? At least 12 minutes in? I’ll finish it later.
Politicians go along, to get along, and go home multi millionaires.
Wowww how ironic that lady is interviewing someone that's actually talking Reality.....
Make billionaires millionaires again
It is insulting to have A blatant Corporate Apologist as a host of anything like this authentic progressive.
It might be that the only option to bring balance to power by taking it away from them, is going to be the pitchforks… unfortunately
The extreme taking is accomplished systematically due to their private for-profit money system, with cover from the government they bought, that creates all our money as interest bearing debt, a system that concentrates wealth moving wealth from bottom to top.
I wonder if Anand has come across yet. He doesn't really have far to go.
God, Joy has changed so much in two years. 2020 politics got real for Joy and she thinks she knows where her bread is buttered.
What he has to say is important, but I find his smooooth TED-like presentation puts me off.
His main critique is on the petite bourgeoisie legitimizing the current system
They ARE the system.
Joy Reid and anand giridharadas??? What a balanced, level, and nonbiased interview 😅
I wish NYPL found a more informed interviewer.
Anand makes points but this is basically the capitalization of left leaning ideolgies into micro niche markets. Parsing out a myriad of ways in which yes even us well intentioned progressives are capable of offense. I think it's the wrong direction to move in. MLK nailed it. A shared culture of basic values. It's simple. It works.
Although I have yet to see a strategic plan coalesce towards overcoming neoliberalism and its fascist drift, i see glimpses of understanding at the subconscious level. And, this is a good beginning as the deconstruction of neoliberal ideology will require a global shift in the ethos of our collective solidarity.
passive cultural enabling...nice
Nino Brown, New Jack City, giving Turkeys during Thanksgiving to families that he was responsible for destroying financially
Study congressman Wright Patman.
That the outcome of capitalism is the haves and have nots but nothing is necessarily inevitable? Hell, we're going through a rough time as it is trying to push the minimum wage to $15/hr ($15 really is still not enough)! The plutocrats say it's too much! Have people forgotten the price of Real Estate and food lately? America has more people in poverty than Venezuela has people! America, the riches country? I guess the more they say it the more people believe it.
Joy Ann Reid is part of the problem though. All the problems Andand talks about comes from right wing economics, capitalism. TRASH
Avi Gindratt ......and what does that make Anand?
Off MSNBC or ABC or wherever this one peddles propaganda, she actually seems to understand.
This could never happen on MSNBC Joy Reid taking time to make sense for a change by talking to someone who is honest.
Real Change, Anand? That means the status quo has to change. The change will not bring in enough cash. That calls for some fairly unhappy plutocrats.
There is noting particularly earth shaking about his book and its ideas. Its all just a another, jazzy way of saying:
"big business and top level executives will behave in a such a way as to protect what they have built and freeze out competition"
There is nothing novel in this idea. He does however suggest that somehow regulation is required and the somehow bigger government is a solution to these issues when ...
If you switch government for business and politician \ party for executive in the sentence above ... the sentence remains just as true.
The issue with his philosophy , which sounds great on the surface, is that it has and relies on an idealistic + positive view of human nature. Plus it leans on the collective vs the individual. And that's where he gets it wrong.
To be workable in practice, any philosophy and solution has to account for the fact human's are a; shitty , evolutionary, survival first creature. Until your philosophy addresses that, its unicorns that are likely to do more harm than good.
Yes! And most interestingly , I think the IDW evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein seems to be of a mind and treading a path that agrees with you. He is clearly of the opinion , despite all his time spent deep observing and studying evolution in various animals + humans .. . that we are nearing a point where human's need and want to break away from "evolutionary patterns and norms". if we are to be able to cope with the ever increasing pace of technological change we are introducing.
You are right, government and business have opposing interests. But what he says here is that both should coexist. In today's times this is not happening, businesses are at 90 and government /regulation is at 10. We need to restore the balance and then they both can play offense and defense with each other. Also, we need to write more laws that never allows the power scales to tip so low in either direction.
Look at Microsoft. They ere allowed to continue as a monopoly. I think because they ere the arsonist in that reference @Anandwrites
It is self evident that we should not have these robber baron monopolists to take at their own favour and give back according to their flavor.
It is certainly true that there is something called "wealth privilege." My dad grew up extremely poor (able to eat meat maybe 10x/year) in Communist China and studied his way to a top university, immigrated to Canada and to US. Now, he is a senior pharma chemist, making 120k/year+. Fortunately, I got some of the advantages of going to university with no disadvantages (parents helped pay $20k & graduate MS with a net worth of 40k). I did obtain a fellowship, so even if I didn't receive any help I would have graduated debt free. Sure, it was an average public university, but I managed to get a decent engineering job (luckily, this job I found myself completely online, so no help from parents). I still follow the mentality that the "rich" will solve most of the problems. Following the mentality that the "poor" will rise up is a foolhardy endeavor.
It’s not legislators handing off power to bureaucracy, its legislators capitulating in whole to the whim and will of the lobbying capital donor class.
I hear all these money figures people are making, and Im trying to work out if I’ll hv enough gas money for the month. Oof!
Joy, u don’t need to be funny. Leave that to Anand.
Damn right about Joy Ann Reid. Has she become woke, or in 2020 will we see her shilling for Kamala Harris or whoever becomes the centrist corporate neoliberal candidate? I could tag #Bernie2020 but really the movement for democracy should become bigger than Bernie and AOC.
JESUS FRANKENSTEIN! Joy Ann Reid almost destroyed my eardrums yelling into her mic! As if she didn’t understand that it increased the volume of her voice so that the people in the back of the room could hear her. Otherwise, a brilliant talk by one of the most inspiring writers of the decade.
Is Joy Reid even listening, or just trying to come up with clever quips the whole time... So lame
Too painful to listen to Joy.
The only differences of the element ingredients between the West and East is the "soul", "empathy", and virtue of basic "humanity" that the West never equipped with to able make the world a better place. in short, a Culture without a "heart" , "spirit" (every aspect is relevant compared to the East humanized Cultures) couldn't bear the capacities making difference of status quo. So, the story is not the 1% are greedy, yes, it is, But "Apathy" in DNA and in their blood failed to changed the world. Me, Me, Me society is the r"oad block" for social change. That is, unless you upheaval the transfixed culture system
Anand comes across as very anti-cola in this video.
What a waste of an intelligent man's time. Can't watch JAR at all. bye
Yes and Joy-Ann Reid is a huge part of the problem you are discussing. Imagine if we had Bernie, who Joy denigrated over the entire primary cycle. Shame.
So...this guy gets famous for realizing something that I knew years ago....??
Yes Xian, but most of the population don't read, and are mostly unaware of the deep, biased & imbedded laws created to allow the imbalances that the poor ignorant, uneducated cannot break thru or change.
Yes but could you articulate it so well??
He's also famous for being bold enough to speak out, and having great speaking skills.
Both deadly Evil Persons, Joy Ried and Giridas
Howard Schultz to the rescue everybody!!! Are you excited YET?????????????
They want to help, BUT, they have a very deeply rooted need to CONTROL exactly where their $$ goes. Hence, not to taxes.