Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Bishop Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture. For more visit www.wordonfire.org
I've always felt that there are multiple layers of meaning to the Garden of Eden story. But you said something that rang a bell in my head that makes a lot of sense. By partaking of the fruit of the tree, Adam and Eve took it upon themselves to discern good and evil, instead of God. For some reason, that idea seems to be the best way I've heard so far of making sense of what happened next. Their eyes were opened and they were ashamed because they were naked. Since they took discernment of good and evil upon themselves, that means that they made themselves their own judges. But the problem is they weren't ready for that. They weren't equipped to judge rightly. God is the righteous judge. They took that role upon themselves and for the first time looked at themselves in judgment, not knowing what to do about it. So, they covered themselves and hid from God. This is one of those things that is at once so elementary, but also profound.
How does one know how God discerns good and evil. Bible was written very long time ago and has lots of contradictions. Christianity will die the same way all other mythologies and religions died and people found it had nothing to do with reality. We are the ones who discern good and evil. We have philosophy for that and need to try to implement, a lot of it is Christ like. A lot of this judgement comes from good and bad feelings about things, nothing from God. There's also relative morality for some but then we have idea of utilitarianism etc. We take things in our hands. God doesn't influence anyone here.
@@kubasniak Christianity will not die lol. As long as people keep claiming of have visions of Jesus and hear from God I wonder how it will die. Chrisitanity will only ide if someone is able to provide the body of Jesus.
@@polkanietzsche5016 i just don't get it his explanation, sounds like New Age relativism. I grew up with the experience of people who knew actual good from evil and chose deliberately to do evil and tell lies. The Bible shows us clearly good from evil. Satan knows what is evil and uses it to mock God. New Age thinking says "it is evil only if you think it is." Or, secularists say, "it is all psychological. We can look for deeper motives and "think" our way out of it." At 6:27 he states his explanation.
I swear the Catholic church teachings have changed my ways so much, Im from a Protestant background but would call myself an agnostic. BUT this guy is actually intelligent and explains his reasonings really well. If I were to go back to a church I would/will become Catholic
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
Gosh Im addicted to your videos right now. My history class somewhat ironic if ask me, is either atheist or just doesn't go to church, and didn't understand priest celibacy, the sex scandal,etc. I just wanted to pound my head on my desk. I just wish it was brought up at lunch, so I could explain it better to them. I will never understand parents who let there kids have all these questions and never answer them. when I am a father, I want my children to constantly ask me about the faith. I definitely want a copy of Summa Theologica in my house at all times. It can sit near the bible. That and the hunger games.
@brian elliot But who determines what's rubbish? This video is specifically about you; appropriating to yourself the standard of what's good and evil/bad.
@brian elliot I can already tell you lack good knowledge of both science and faith. Don't skip the question, who determines what's rubbish? Against which standard do you measure to determine what's rubbish and what's not? By the way, could you google these names and tell me what you found out: 1. Georges Lemaitre 2. Gregor Mendel 3. George V. Coyne
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
There is no original sin! We are not innately bad, but the opposite, we are innately good; but we have an ego that causes us to see ourselves separate, lacking and at odds with life and others; at odds with Love, so we behave badly. But we are not bad! We are mistaken, we misunderstand life. Everyone has an ego, and it is not of Love. The ego is also not evil, although it is behind all acts we would consider evil. The ego is not a thing or an entity, it's just programming to take care of number one. This programming causes us to be self-servicing, self-centered, fearful, distrusting, defensive and aggressive. The ego is a sense of self, not something real or true. A sense of self is nothing tangible, nothing that can't be fairly easily overlooked, if its lack of realness is pointed out. The ego is programming that causes us to see life, ourselves and others through a particular lense; one tainted by fear, judgment, limitation, smallness and a sense of lack. The egoic programming creates a sense of being under attack or threatened by others and by life. The ego is in fear much of the time, and therefore divorced from Love. This fear is an illusion, an imagination of something fearful in the future; not based on an actual threat in the here and now. When we're identified with this very primitive part of ourselves, we believe in the ego's fears and try to protect ourselves any way we can; usually by trying to attain more wealth, comfort, power, security, control, success, popularity and admiration; all things that make the ego safer, at least temporarily.
Came back to this video after last watching it two years ago. I was a devout protestant and loved my faith until about 7 or so years ago. I went through a deconstruction of my faith that lead me to atheism for about 5 years. Long story regarding what lead me there and what ultimately lead me back. But the roughest possible outline I can give for my path back is this. First, Jordan Peterson convinced me of the logical and moral necessity of the idea of God, at very least God as a necessary abstraction that is the personification of our highest moral intuitions and values. God is necessary as an externalized moral aim. But listening to Peterson lead me to Bishop Barron's videos. Bishop Barron described a God that is not A BEING, but rather BEING as such. Paul Tillich called God the ground of all being. From there, it's not a far stretch to accept that God, or essential being, contains properties such as intelligence. We are expressions of being and we are intelligent. Ergo, God is intelligent. Finally, I came back to faith because I chose to. I wanted to. Ultimately, we believe things because we wish to. I used to get so hung up on logic and reason, which are intellectually necessary for navigating our way through life. But our beliefs about ultimate matters cannot finally be settled by logic. Logic can only define one's options. But once it was done that, one must choose.
This is wonderful but only partially explains original sin. What about original sin as being passed on from generation to generation as proposed by Saint Augustine? Original sin in terms of Jesus' mission of atonement? Original sin is also the basis of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception? There are so many gaps I do not know where to start. This is from a Catholic who is searching for answers to solidify my Catholic beliefs.
Excellent summation of the Christian understanding of original sin. Thank you Fr. Robert Barron. Once in my early twenties while in college, I was given a strong challenge to pray. The challenge came from a peer who was a Christian. Though I was an agnostic, I took up the challenge as he was my friend and someone I respected even if I disagreed with on the existence of God. I sincerely prayed this prayer: "If I have done anything to hurt anyone I am truly sorry and if there is a God want to know you." That prayer changed my life and placed me on a journey of a lifetime.
This explanation doesn't satisfy my feelings about original sin. The Church in the Catechism says that there was some act done by the first man. I consider this a myth wherein there resides some truth about our nature, and our reflections on God and the human condition. My question then is, " How do we know this?" Most people will say, "Well, it's in the Bible." Yes but that is not a proof that this "act" took place." There were no people, except for two players and "supposedly", God walking about with them giving them instructions.For a fundamentalist, this is proof enough but it isn't for a person who questions who wrote the Books of the Bible, when and under what circumstances. I prefer to look on all creation as good and we are the ones who assign what is evil (sinful) and good. Is killing someone good or evil? - well, it depends. Is stealing good or evil? Well, it depends. When we make moral absolutes in religion, it's dangerous.- there are many shades of gray in our black or white religions, or at least, that is my take on it.. Gerry (on P's comment page)
I'm always speechless everytime I listen to people explaining the obscure language in The Bible. As a kid I never thought much about it, but through curiousity and current events, my faith got reignited. Thank you, Bishop, for sharing your wisdom on this platform and helping young Christians find themselves and their faith.
Fr. Barron(False Teacher) - "DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Original sin is a LIE- "The Person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself." (Ezekiel 18:20) And he said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:9
I am fully convinced that Bishop Barron is correct in his explanation (which was apparently posted to TH-cam on or around 2014): that the original Garden of Eden sin was not so much the simple act of eating of the forbidden tree as it was Adam and Eve's decision to start deciding for themselves what was (or is) good and what was (or is) evil. I'm convinced because the serpent told Eve that she could become "like" God, and becoming "like" God was also at the root of Lucifer's rebellion (Isaiah 14:12-14); and importantly, Eve decided that the forbidden fruit was good for food and desirable to make one wise even before she ate of it. QUESTION: Does anyone know where Bishop Barron's explanation - or anything similar - can be found in writing, aside from the following excerpt from pages 50 and 59 of the 2019 commentary on Genesis: "The serpent is the voice in human beings telling them they are- or should be-God-like, meaning they can rely solely on themselves to determine what is right and wrong. This is what is happening in the secular West. People increasingly rely on their feelings to determine right and wrong. They do not rely on God; they do not rely on a religion; they do not rely on a Bible. Morally speaking, they are their own gods. … And as the serpent correctly noted, 'knowing good and evil' can also mean being the one who determines what is good and what is evil. That is what is meant in this verse by "man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.'" (The Rational Bible -- Genesis: God, Creation, and Destruction. 2019, Regnery Faith.) Again, can anyone please tell me where something similar to Bishop Barron's explanation appeas in writing aside from the aforementioned commentary? This explanation seems to be extremely important, but so far I have not seen anything about it in writing except for the above-cited 2019 commentary. Thanks!
It's always amazing how Fr. Barron gives such thoughtful and insightful reflections on so many topics and the comments are so harsh and unappreciative. Pearls before swine, I tell you! Thanks Father, this message was eye-opening for me.
Ryan Slattery - it's always amazing how some (who allude to be Christians) can appear to be loving, but then call their brothers "swine" in a passive aggressive attempt to be assholes.
Very clear words and great way to explain us theology. I`m feeling very proud to be Christian after knowing better God and is Sun Jesus through your thoughts. Many thanks! Already recommend your videos here in Portugal. God bless you!
Bishop Barron, I am concerned that you seem to refuse to clarify what you said in this video. Several people, including myself, have commented and/or asked you about your comment which indicated that "Adam" in the book of genesis is some kind of metaphor for humanity. We are wondering what your opinion is of the reality of the man Adam, the true origin and nature of original sin, and precisely how your view squares with the Tradition of the Church. It seems, evidenced by several of your videos that have caused controversy, that you often leave legitimate questions on faith unanswered. As a bishop, isn't it your job to instruct the faithful, most especially on matters of faith? This is causing confusion. Please teach us clearly what you mean.
thepuppyturtle wrote: I'll let God be the moral guide of my life as soon as he sees fit to make his existence evident. me: "and God so loved the world that He sent His only Son..." - Jesus is the fullness of the revelation you seek.
He is......then it should be no trouble at all for you to post a clear and coherent reason WHY you believe that. The problem is this, your dishonesty (like the Good Father here) will keep you from posting it, give it a try and see.
For 98,000 years there was no Jesus, no Gods and all did quite well - why all religious, supernatural and an existence of it all happened so recent? ANOTHER WARNING: Christians advanced much more than Mulslims who still kill to defend their ass hole daddy up in the sky! But, don't forget, we are all humans - Christians can turn killers as are the Muslims very quickly too. Religions were ok to control people in the past - controlling sex for survival of all etc. Now religions are outdated and very dangerous - have killed more humans than all wars combined! ALL in the name of an invisible flying ass hole up in the sky!'
Sees fit WHAT? How do you communicate with those phantoms? How do they tell you straight out what to to do or not what to do? OR DOES YOU MIND PLAY LITTLE "convenient" TRICKS on you?
@@malinthelatin6457 People who believe do so based on their experience of God throughout their life, i.e., if we truly felt nothing or gained nothing from our faith, how could we possibly hang onto it? The answer is we couldn't. My advice to you, humble yourself (and know you can't know everything through reason) and pray to Jesus for awhile with the intent of wanting to find the truth.
Mr barron your church claims that natural disasters are a result of original sin and disasters continue only because we continue to sin, so are we to believe that there were no disasters before the myth of original sin suposedly took place?
FreakOfDeath666 Original sin is not a myth. Our human weakness and mortality and the violence and destructiveness and hostility that occurs among men an in nature throughout history testify to the fact that man committed a sin at the beginning of his history that caused disharmony in himself and nature.
This is one of my favorite videos by you Father Barron. I'm amazed by how intuitive this story is. The writer of Genesis identified the essential human problem thousands of years ago...yet we still fall into the same trap every single day! Seriously amazing how even the brief account of the fall cuts to the heart of humanity.
Original Sin? If the first man and woman committed sin then we must recognise that they were imperfect beings. Therefore the Creator should blame himself for their imperfections.
They were not imperfect before they sinned, imperfection occurred only after the sin. Adam and Eve had free will to choose to obey God or sin against God, and they chose to go against God's instructions, so how is that God's fault?
Thank you father Barron, especially for sharing so deep understanding of what happens to our consciousness when arrogating to our selves the right to decide good from evil. God bless you dear father !! Always like you and love you !!
No matter how much you try to explain it, the whole story (like much of the bible) makes no sense whatsoever. The idea that a god would purposely plant a forbidden fruit tree, then punish not only the two that ate from it but every other human that ever would exist for eternity..... is more than evil in itself. Your mythological god's punishment was infinitely more evil than eating the apple. Then he sends himself to earth in the form of his own son. Has his son killed (which was suicide because he was killing himself) just so that he can forgive us and Adam and Eve for eating the apple. Colossally stupid and laughable no matter how much you tried to sell the story by spending 10 minutes and 29 seconds "explaining it".
I wouldn't say God punishes every other human for Adam and Eve's sin. It is that they gave up their holiness by eating of the tree and had nothing to pass on to future generations. If you have a rich uncle who develops a gambling habit and spends all of his money, he and all future generations will not have a cent because of his mistake.
sshealy1 Bad analogy. My rich uncle may not have an inheritance to offer the next generation, but he may have left countless other things more important than money. Furthermore, his lack of responsibility can effect the next generations financial comfort, but in time they certainly can recover and with hard work make their own money, as can future generations. Again, the fairy tale Adam and Eve story makes no sense whatsoever .
atheistexchristian True, money may not be as good an analogy. Money is a good servant, but a bad master. In the Adam and Eve case, their holiness and right union with God is lost. There is nothing more important than that.
@ atheistexchristian, you what else doesn't make sense... Shakespeare. Just a bunch of jibberidoo and nonsense. Thank god smart peeps like us know better eh?
Dear Fr. Barron, Your exposition of sin, Original Sin, that is, is quite clear to me. Now, Our Lord has created us from clay or whatever, and has blown into us the Spirit of Life. Once this Spirit of life is recovered and it parts to its Original Place, The Creator, it is, or better, would it be against His Laws to have this body meshed-up, homogenized, pasteurized, and used as a fertilizer for the plants that live in this world? You know that there are too many cemeteries, and instead of being cremated, which is just as bad, we could donate our bodies to a useful use. What do you think about this? Best regards, John.
I don’t believe in “sin” in the way Christianity (as I understand it) teaches. There is so much baggage that goes into this word that it takes a lot more unpacking than many people realize. For example, “sin” seems to demand punishment. That’s what’s tied up in this word, not just the idea of “bad behavior.” Why should this be so? One can look at it a number of ways. One can see it neutrally, that punishment automatically follows sin as a necessary consequence - and one may leave it at that. But no, instead of seeing it neutrally this way we are told that we ought to “beat our breast” to do penance to a God who eyes us intimately with this sin in view… We are taught to make a big deal out of it and to feel stress, to introduce shame and guilt and fear and all other such negative emotions, that it is the mark of a “true Christian” even that to have these affections is a mark of spiritual progress… I don’t see how feeling the “crushing weight” of sin should lead one to a higher spiritual platform. It is in a sense pathetic even, that one “calls out the name of the Lord” in a desperate, feeble way; that one has left all his sense of healthy pride and self-possession and become “born again” believing that even for the slightest sin he deserves to die eternally…. None of this seems healthy to me. It seems artificial and a ghettoization of the interior life, not an advancement in spiritual maturity. Actually, it seems more like a debasement to be perfectly blunt. Nietzsche was on to something when he railed against "bad conscience"… True conscience and accountability DOES take into account a real estimation of his or her moral status. But self-evaluation need not imply self-debasement. Humility yes, humiliation not at all. That’s what I think.
Thank you Fr. Baron. Very inspiring, I needed an explanation for my own tendencies to sin, despite being a devout Catholic! Helps explain David’s declaration in psalm 51, ‘I was conceived in Sin!’
Bishop Barron- I am a stay at home mom and I listen to your videos every day when my baby is napping. These videos have livened my faith and nurtured my soul. Thank you so so much for all you do!!!!
Thank you Fr. Barron. As usual you make everything clear and easy to understand. I was wondering if you are a fan of Leonard Cohen, and if you would have the time to do a review of a song of his called "The Future"
And their Lord called to them(ADAM & EVE a.s.), "Did I Not Forbid you from that tree and tell you that SATAN IS to you a CLEAR ENEMY?" They replied, “Our Lord! We HAVE WRONGED OURSELVES. If You do not FORGIVE US and have Mercy on us, we will certainly be LOSERS.” 7.22-23 "So ALLAH ACCEPTED HIS REPENTANCE. Surely HE is the Accepter of Repentance, MOST MERCIFUL" Qur'an Majeed 2.37 "CHILD WILL NOT SHARE the GUILT OF the PARENT, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the WICKEDNESS OF the WICKED WILL BE CHARGED AGAINST THEM." Ezikel 18.20
Thank you Bishop! So many RC commentators seem "Catholic specific" in many ways. I deeply appreciate your broadly Christian comments and keen insights. We, the believing Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches have so much more in common than what separates us. Thanks for helping to make that clear.
What matters here is what the Hebrew text says, not the corrupted Christian texts. Man was created in Genesis 26, Let us make man in our image (Plural). Then in 27, God created man in his image. (Singular). This is from a 1933 Hebrew text people. God then blessed them, HE, him, male and female created HE them. Then, where Christians fuck things up and confuse themselves in Genesis Ch 2, vs 7, the Lord God creates man of dust and breathes in his nostrils making him a living being. Here is the problem not unlike what Luther dealt with 500 years ago, he did not understand the Hebraic message because he thought like a Christian. The Hebrew bible is a book that tell the Jews they are Human and everyone else is not. Hence, man in Gen 26-27 and man the living being created in CH2 vs 7. THESE ARE SEPARATE BEINGS IN JEWISH LAW. These are not the same people and this is how Jews define everything, they are the only humans and it's in their Bible, so they are married to it forever. Moreover, Gods law to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was ONLY given to the man, not the woman because the law was given to man in Gen Ch2 vs 17 but woman did not appear until vs 22. She ate of the tree, not fruit people, not knowing of the law and the serpent deceived her. Man, was misled by the woman and for this he became like the Lord God because he ate of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, Not the tree of right and wrong people as you are led to believe. Man was removed from the garden to till the ground BUT WOMAN WAS NOT REMOVED. HMMM? DEEP THOUGHTS.. Moreover we know they did not die so what is going on here? (if you embrace good and evil, which are one and the same you will dominate the world and live forever) Then, in Gen Ch 3, vs 27 the Lord God said man has become one of us to know good and evil because he ate of the tree of life and will live forever. Here is what Christians do not know because they listen to others and do not investigate for themselves. The Lord God in chapter 2 is not the God in chapter 1 hence the title variation, Lord God and God. Names and titles are specific. Capitalization is specific and critical. What God says and the Lord God says and does are separate things in the Hebrew Bible. This is why Christians are like gerbils running on a wheel going nowhere. You read edited, corrupted text, that was written by people who did not study Hebrew. And in many cases like the Scofield Bible, the bible was ghost written by Jewish people who corrupted the Christian text. Scofield was the founder of the nonsense Evangelicals espouse but lest I digress. Now go read people and fix your goddamn religion. Know who has corrupted your understanding of everything about original sin. If you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will be like God and live forever. Mirrors of evil on earth are made with the words. Mirrors of lies and liars.
...Original Sin is "the original" private self-ishness, private "self-determination" or private "self-will" - the private self usurping the determination in unchanging good & there is no good but in Being which is God & the good of the world in its healthy wholeness. In fact there is no such thing as private good qua private... There is no good except in Life / Being & Be-ing. ... what is the good? The good (is that which) fulfills the flourishing of life; evil is that which corrupt and destroy life. ... sin is 'rebellion' against the ordained divine life. The legitimate human good is that which fulfills the specific performance (Aristotle: "ergon") of the human being. The human good is that which provides for the human being fullness of being (fully alive).
This is not the explanation I'm used to hearing. It's called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE). What went wrong is that they wanted to decide for themselves what's Good and Evil? But that's not what TKGE does for you. It doesn't give you the power to decide what will be Good and Evil, only the opportunity to KNOW what they are. That's the K in TKGE. There was no Tree of Creating Good and Evil. If Adam and Eve were that ambitious, they maybe should have chopped down the TKGE or set it on fire, but even that doesn't sound too promising. As always the big question is, if God created man good, why did man quickly turn out to have a sinful nature? As ever, no answer.
Things are simple and clear in a cartoon world where God speaks directly to Adam and Eve - "do not eat from this tree". What about the real world that we actually live in? You are implying that people do not have the ability to judge on their own what is good and evil. That only God can do this. I suppose we do have the Bible for this, 10 commandments, etc. What about the cultures that have never had access to the Bible? Does God speak directly to them each day? If he speaks directly to them, then why do we need the Bible to tell us right and wrong? No wonder we live in such a confusing world. The problem is our smart people like our bishops, do not question their own logic. There is not an original sin as we are taught by the Catholic Church. The character of man is how God created us. It is that simple. Does man have the ability or maybe the propensity to sin? Yes. Most of the struggle of man to not sin, is the struggle of man to not act like a really smart wild animal. The day the Catholic Church does not attempt to use the writings about the Garden of Eden to base anything important on, will be the day the respect for the Church takes a huge leap upward. BUT STILL LOVE FATHER BARRON.
How did the sin of our first parents become the sin of the whole human race? What was St. Augustine’s philosophical argument in support of the doctrine of original sin? And why do you avoid discussing the known facts of evolution?
The doctrine of original sin that includes the transmittal of that "sin" to all succeeding generations is the most egregious example of injustice ever conceived. More and more literate people properly reject it as utter nonsense.
+Hawker Seafury You sound like an atheist. Of all the videos I've seen on you tube, only two people understood what the meaning of original sin means. One was Alain De button: an atheist. He said,"Original sin basically means that man is flawed" The other person was Chris Hedges.
I was raised a nominal Catholic and later became a born again evangelical. I have since denounced evangelicalism. If only an evangelical could give such thoughtful answers as Father Baron
The bishop should to address damnation of the innocents (like of un-baptised infants). It's a big "stumbling block" in most people's minds including, in my experience, otherwise believing Catholics.
Read Ĺusìa Piccarretta on the Divine Will and every other mystics. God created Adam from nothing. He was a real rational being with an intellect, imagination , a will and sharing in the Divine Will. The fall truly happened . Our first parents caused all of creation to be affected : the universe , animals and eart and their offspring. That's is exactly what we witness today. Theistic evolution has many problems. Unfortunately too many theologians follow it. Follows the fathers of the Church.
The "Original" sin was acts and omissions of 1/3 of the original inhabitants of Heaven that actually occurred in Heaven when Satan stirred up a rebellion against the rightfully God-appointed King of Heaven. This resulted in the fall when we were all consigned to Paradise - a spiritual sphere somewhat lower than Heaven. A fast-track attempt to rehabilitate all the fallen spirits failed due to the further disobedience of Adam and Eve, two former spiritual leaders of Heaven, in the Garden of Eden which was located in Paradise. The Garden of Eden was a spiritual garden and not located on earth as many believe today. The physical world did not exist at that time and was brought into existence as a result of the second fall when God put together His Secret Plan of Redemption. 1 Corinthians 2:7: "We proclaim the mysterious plan conceived by God in His wisdom, a plan which has hitherto been concealed, but which God established before time began in order to lead us back to glory. This plan was known to none of the rulers of this world, (Satan/Lucifer) for otherwise, they would not have crucified the lord of glory." There is a subtle clue in that passage with the phrase "before time began." Time does not exist in Heaven and this phrase indicates that there was need for a Redemptive Plan before the physical universe was created. In actual fact the physical creation was an important element of God's Plan of Redemption. Everyone on earth is concerned with their destination at the end of their life but few stop to think about the reason they are on earth, how they came to be on earth, or why did they need to be redeemed.
There's only one problem with this - there is no such thing as God There were the dark ages where religion was the only answer people had. Then came the renaissance and the enlightenment where science, logic, reason mathematics, philosophy provided much better answers which were verifiable and provable. Smart people threw out old cruel repressive superstition and became free. Why haven't you?
Originality is a sin... If your cool they wanna be cooler If your a drug addict they are bigger drug addicts If your a heavy metal head they know every song by every band and shred If your crazy they are crazier If your a talented artist they are all better than you and you suck... If you program games they are all game designers and you suck... But you'll never be me... Go steal someone else's cool.... Loosers...
HOW MANY CAIND OF BIBLES EXIST IN THE WORLD ?MINING DIFERENT COUNTRES,AND THEY SPEAK OF THE SAME GOD OR JESUS>?EXSAMPLE VIRGIN MARY HOW MANY MARY'S WHIT DIFERENT NAME S?
Another way of saying this, Adam and Eve acted presumptuously! They failed to observe the limits of what was permitted or appropriate (that which God had commanded them)
You don't really tackle why this sin should be inherited or where, along our evolution from the stars and the clay, the garden and Adam and Eve appeared in order to commit this sin and forever bequeath a very disordered human race to founder and fall and cause great suffering. Why make us like this? The question of free will needs to be addressed.
The sin was the manipulation of our DNA, by beings that claimed to be gods and angels. See Chromosome 2 fusion. And Genesis actually has the word "Genes" in it.
God is Love personified. Derived from Love are the actions defined as good and the actions defined as evil. Humans, while incarnate, are too veiled by our animal drives and instincts, from God's wisdom to know what is good and evil.
So God is either not almighty (puny god) or plain cruel and we have to accept that for what it is. On top of that, we - who did not even ask to be born - come into this world already burdened by the wrong done by someone else and have to live a life of hardship to achieve bliss. Failure in this finite life means infinite unspeakable pain in an infinite afterlife. And all of this is based on the evidence given in some writings from the late bronze age of a very specific people in the Middle East and the interpretation of them that emerged succesful in the face of a myriad other equally valid interpretations, writings that are mostly unfalsifiable and whose falsifiable part (cosmological e.g.) has already been proven wrong. OK then.
My question is, If God caused a flood to destroy all the sinful people and started over with 1 righteous man and his family. Why do we take sin back to Adam and not Noah if all the sin was washed away in the flood?
I was watching my cat in the laundry yesterday. It was interesting because it gave me a glimpse of what may have happened and why Adam and Eve experienced deep discomfort after eating from the Tree of Knowledge. the cat was walking past the washing machine, the same washing machine it always sees going out or coming in from the cat door. the washing machine was making a weird sound this time, and the cat thought the machine was alive somehow and it stopped, hiding behind a clothesline, to catch the "machine animal". what I mean is that the cat has no knowledge of something being alive and manmade; if the object makes a sound or moves, it will reclassify as alive. At the same time, the cat has no knowledge of his body as we do, and that is why we cover it, and it doesn't. It's a bit as it sees through his eyes only where we are in our bodies after eating from the Tree of Knowledge.
So thousands of generations ago someone ate an apple 🍎, and now because of this I don't have free will to choose not to sin but "God" is going to punish me for sinning for millions of years unless you forgive me? And where is that in your book? How sad that millions of poor sheep are getting sheared by this wolf in shepherd's clothing who lack discernment!
None of this is real, only what comes after. There is only light and darkness. We are here to choose to which we belong. God never once abandoned us. God loves us all and wants us to return to him. Pray and repent and pray for guidance. Pray for wisdom and strength so that you can fight temptation and the lures of the dark energies. All we have to do is believe in God and trust him and pray to him. God loves you.
We were not born with original sin because of Adam. It is part of the human condition. We have instincts that are God given. The instincts that far reach their intended purposes make us selfish and selfcentered. They makes us fearful and dishonest to get what we think we need to be secure in ourselves. This is where defect of chacter and shortcommings come from. This is where "sin" originates. Out of ourselves and selfish and self centered fears. Instincts out of wack or Self will.
So original sin is when an individual decides right or wrong_ without factoring God's will as interpreted by the church(men) woow . I always wonder why Joseph did not carry the son of God in his womb?
Original sin as a doctrine simply has no basis in scripture. This doctrine leads to infant baptism which has no basis in scripture. "Children are alive in Christ" as they are not accountable thus upon the tragic death of a child are never held accountable by the Savior.
try the new testament where Jesus gave us the meaning of life and those whe were with him, and thes who were not, like the Pharisees who wore fancy dress, big titles, and called father, and got paid handsomely, Jesus said let no one call you father as every one that is taught will be a father in love, you got freely, so give freely, only ones i know is the Jehovah witnesses who do this, Why ??
Thank you Fr. Barron! Regarding your explanation that original sin was man's assuming the prerogative for determining good and evil-- can you describe what it meant for Mary to be conceived without original sin?
My theory is this, the tree of knowledge, of good and evil was metaphorical, Eve was tricked into "sin(time)", the gate way of this physical reality universe, that is called time and space. Sin=time, which, if given enough of it, can lead you to do evil, wicked and horrible things to each other! So when the bible says , "humankind is born into sin", the bible doesn't mean, a innocent baby was born evil, corrupt! It means, that we were born in time which equals sin! That makes so much more logical sense, its obsurd to think, that if a baby dies before it can ever understand, comprehend and or decern what evil and good is, that it is damn to hell eternal. The very thing that sin does, if given enough of it continually, will destroy, kill, corrode, rot, decay and ultimately, leads to your family, friends, your pets and everything, you ever loved, Includeing your self to unending pain, suffering, sadness, and the eventual death of all of it, you hold dear, Includeing your self. Time Is evil, evil is time! That's exactly why, god wanted us, to follow in his teachings and to follow his commandments. Because, you cannot continually, be evil, wicked and none unrepentant, in time, or the wages of time, will be death. The bible says " the wages of sin(time) is death". Take away this, "physical universe of reality time(sin)", away and be in presence of god and it would be impossible for any evil, to enter your heart, because you don't, have to worry or stress about the effects of time, because the Creator will sustain us in happiness, and joy! We won't need to hunger, or feel pain, thirst, or any of the horrible things, that time(sin) makes you do!
Josiah Bailey 🌞🔥⚡️✨Well said Josiah! May we be free of this fallen world... check out Near Death Experiences! Amazing what folks say after leaving their bodies & entering the light!
Christopher Martin Peace to you. Would you be open enough to check this site out? This woman used to be veeery big in the new age movement. I used to be attracted to some of it...now I think of it as spiritual junk food. Delicious at first--but ultimately bad for you. :-)
Adam was made from dust, not clay. One can mold things from clay a lot better than one can mold dust. But clay is a much weaker metaphor than dust. Remember you are dust and to dust you shall return.
But if we are made in His image and "likeness," then wouldn't delving into the understanding of good and evil be integral to our being? If we know not evil, and evil exists through the devil, how could we ever identify, resist, and fight evil when it comes? Bishop Barron has done what Robert Stackpole did in his book "A Bridge of Mercy," namely, exercise philosophical and theological "gymnastics" to come to a conclusion that is entirely debatable. But it seems to me that if the explanation is so convoluted, then it might not be right.
God does not sin but the origin of sin must originate with God for he is creator of all things. Hebrew defines sin as ' missing the mark ' , or making a mistake, the mark being God's standard of righteousness (opposite of wrongeousness) To disobey the clear command of an all knowing benevolent God is a mistake summed up as disobedience . " For God has consigned all to disobedience so that he will have mercy on them all " Romans 11:32. " No one is cast off forever by the Lord, though he brings grief he will show compassion because of the greatness of his unfailing love" Lamentations 3:31-33 God created evil Isaiah 45:7 and Jeremiah alone records God either doing evil or repenting from the evil he had planned to do. God always does what is right Genesis 18:25 that is why he does not sin. Sometimes it is right to do evil such as when God delivered his innocent Son into the hands of those who would crucify him by the predetermined counsel of his will Acts 2:23. In order to become like God we must know good and evil in their entirety in order to always do what is right. The opposite of disobedience is obedience and God has prescribed suffering as the method of its acquisition "Even though he was God's Son he learnt obedience through the things he suffered" Hebrews 5:8. God is the author and finisher of our faith Hebrews12;2. " God wills all men to be saved " 1Timothy 2:4 God works everything to conformity with the counsel of his will Ephesians 1:11 "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive " 1Corinthians 15:22
Yes I am aware of the "hell" and "eternal punishment" teachings but these are due to the traditions of men and faulty translations of God's Hebrew and Greek inspired Word and contradict : God was sent/came to save sinners/everyone Jesus is God John 1:1 God is love 1John 4:8 and Love NEVER fails 1Corinthians 13:8.
Thank you. This truth of original sin makes it okay that Mary laid with her husband Joseph. Sex is one of God's original blessings towards a husband and wife. St. Augustine had it wrong though he was a holy man. I am happy that you showed the truth that Mary was just a blameless blessed woman and not some divine co-redeamtrex 'Queen of Heaven'
The Bible says very clearly what their sin was. Lust of the eyes and pride of life. This is as original as it gets. I reject terms like original sin and whatever else as with all sacraments and all that garbage... it’s junk food for the soul. Lust of the eyes. Pride of life. Self love. This is avarice. The root of every type of Evil. Love of the self. Self adoration. This is the heart of every law breaker. This is all throughout scripture. Sin is transgression of the law. The law is you shall love God with everything and your neighbor as yourself. When we try to excuse ourselves from loving certain people by claiming they aren’t our neighbors, we are committing the sin of self love and rejecting/hating our brothers. Avarice is the root of every type of evil.
Their actually is ZERO original sin in the Masoretic text. So, it's likely that this concept was made up by religious psychopaths in order to set the stage for psychological operations under the guise of spirituality. In fact, the knowledge of good and evil was literally the knowledge of procreation - and NOT the knowledge of wrong or right. That's a fact. That is Truth. It's in the ORIGINAL Masoretic texts (that the Bible is founded on).
Oh the irony of christian morality. By the bibles own account if adam and even hadn't commited their 'original sin' by eating the fruit, humans would just be animals without any comprehension of right or wrong.
My concern has always been the issue of justice..."Abraham was a Manifestation of God and a descendant of Adam; likewise, Ishmael, Isaac, Jeremiah and the whole line of prophets including David, Solomon and Aaron were among His posterity. Were all these holy men condemned to a realm of punishment because of a deed committed by the first father, because of a mistake said to have been made by their mutual and remotest ancestor Adam?" ~ Abdu'l Baha, Baha'i Faith
I've always felt that there are multiple layers of meaning to the Garden of Eden story. But you said something that rang a bell in my head that makes a lot of sense. By partaking of the fruit of the tree, Adam and Eve took it upon themselves to discern good and evil, instead of God. For some reason, that idea seems to be the best way I've heard so far of making sense of what happened next. Their eyes were opened and they were ashamed because they were naked. Since they took discernment of good and evil upon themselves, that means that they made themselves their own judges. But the problem is they weren't ready for that. They weren't equipped to judge rightly. God is the righteous judge. They took that role upon themselves and for the first time looked at themselves in judgment, not knowing what to do about it. So, they covered themselves and hid from God. This is one of those things that is at once so elementary, but also profound.
That is what the catholic doctrine teaches.
Your text gave me goosebumps. It really shows their "shame" in the deepest possible light. Great insight!!
How does one know how God discerns good and evil. Bible was written very long time ago and has lots of contradictions. Christianity will die the same way all other mythologies and religions died and people found it had nothing to do with reality. We are the ones who discern good and evil. We have philosophy for that and need to try to implement, a lot of it is Christ like. A lot of this judgement comes from good and bad feelings about things, nothing from God. There's also relative morality for some but then we have idea of utilitarianism etc. We take things in our hands. God doesn't influence anyone here.
@@kubasniak Christianity will not die lol. As long as people keep claiming of have visions of Jesus and hear from God I wonder how it will die. Chrisitanity will only ide if someone is able to provide the body of Jesus.
@@polkanietzsche5016 i just don't get it his explanation, sounds like New Age relativism. I grew up with the experience of people who knew actual good from evil and chose deliberately to do evil and tell lies. The Bible shows us clearly good from evil. Satan knows what is evil and uses it to mock God. New Age thinking says "it is evil only if you think it is." Or, secularists say, "it is all psychological. We can look for deeper motives and "think" our way out of it." At 6:27 he states his explanation.
Good Grief! This stuff is delicious! Even as a protestant I find these videos to be amazingly filling. Keep it up Fr. Barron!
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I swear the Catholic church teachings have changed my ways so much, Im from a Protestant background but would call myself an agnostic. BUT this guy is actually intelligent and explains his reasonings really well. If I were to go back to a church I would/will become Catholic
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
@Telosbound oh., are you sure Zeus is such an asshole?
@@annemburada6265 straw man argument.
Gosh Im addicted to your videos right now. My history class somewhat ironic if ask me, is either atheist or just doesn't go to church, and didn't understand priest celibacy, the sex scandal,etc. I just wanted to pound my head on my desk. I just wish it was brought up at lunch, so I could explain it better to them. I will never understand parents who let there kids have all these questions and never answer them. when I am a father, I want my children to constantly ask me about the faith. I definitely want a copy of Summa Theologica in my house at all times. It can sit near the bible. That and the hunger games.
@brian elliot But who determines what's rubbish? This video is specifically about you; appropriating to yourself the standard of what's good and evil/bad.
@brian elliot I can already tell you lack good knowledge of both science and faith. Don't skip the question, who determines what's rubbish? Against which standard do you measure to determine what's rubbish and what's not?
By the way, could you google these names and tell me what you found out:
1. Georges Lemaitre
2. Gregor Mendel
3. George V. Coyne
@brian elliot No, I don't mean religion. I mean Science and FAITH.
Sweet! Very sweet!
Original sin- taking our own will over the will of God. Never heard it that way. Love your videos. Thank you.
That’s the greatest explanation I’ve EVER had on the Original Sin.
It never made so much sense!
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
There is no original sin! We are not innately bad, but the opposite, we are innately good; but we have an ego that causes us to see ourselves separate, lacking and at odds with life and others; at odds with Love, so we behave badly. But we are not bad! We are mistaken, we misunderstand life.
Everyone has an ego, and it is not of Love. The ego is also not evil, although it is behind all acts we would consider evil.
The ego is not a thing or an entity, it's just programming to take care of number one. This programming causes us to be self-servicing, self-centered, fearful, distrusting, defensive and aggressive.
The ego is a sense of self, not something real or true. A sense of self is nothing tangible, nothing that can't be fairly easily overlooked, if its lack of realness is pointed out.
The ego is programming that causes us to see life, ourselves and others through a particular lense; one tainted by fear, judgment, limitation, smallness and a sense of lack.
The egoic programming creates a sense of being under attack or threatened by others and by life. The ego is in fear much of the time, and therefore divorced from Love.
This fear is an illusion, an imagination of something fearful in the future; not based on an actual threat in the here and now.
When we're identified with this very primitive part of ourselves, we believe in the ego's fears and try to protect ourselves any way we can; usually by trying to attain more wealth, comfort, power, security, control, success, popularity and admiration; all things that make the ego safer, at least temporarily.
Came back to this video after last watching it two years ago. I was a devout protestant and loved my faith until about 7 or so years ago. I went through a deconstruction of my faith that lead me to atheism for about 5 years. Long story regarding what lead me there and what ultimately lead me back. But the roughest possible outline I can give for my path back is this. First, Jordan Peterson convinced me of the logical and moral necessity of the idea of God, at very least God as a necessary abstraction that is the personification of our highest moral intuitions and values. God is necessary as an externalized moral aim. But listening to Peterson lead me to Bishop Barron's videos. Bishop Barron described a God that is not A BEING, but rather BEING as such. Paul Tillich called God the ground of all being. From there, it's not a far stretch to accept that God, or essential being, contains properties such as intelligence. We are expressions of being and we are intelligent. Ergo, God is intelligent. Finally, I came back to faith because I chose to. I wanted to. Ultimately, we believe things because we wish to. I used to get so hung up on logic and reason, which are intellectually necessary for navigating our way through life. But our beliefs about ultimate matters cannot finally be settled by logic. Logic can only define one's options. But once it was done that, one must choose.
Thanks for sharing, glad to hear that! Are you Catholic now?
"Logic can only define one's options. But once it was done that, one must choose."
Right. The intellect is for knowing, the will is for doing.
The fact you are alive AT ALL proves you are a carrier of the disease called Original Sin.
This is wonderful but only partially explains original sin. What about original sin as being passed on from generation to generation as proposed by Saint Augustine? Original sin in terms of Jesus' mission of atonement? Original sin is also the basis of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception? There are so many gaps I do not know where to start. This is from a Catholic who is searching for answers to solidify my Catholic beliefs.
Excellent summation of the Christian understanding of original sin. Thank you Fr. Robert Barron. Once in my early twenties while in college, I was given a strong challenge to pray. The challenge came from a peer who was a Christian. Though I was an agnostic, I took up the challenge as he was my friend and someone I respected even if I disagreed with on the existence of God. I sincerely prayed this prayer: "If I have done anything to hurt anyone I am truly sorry and if there is a God want to know you." That prayer changed my life and placed me on a journey of a lifetime.
in the meantime disease ravages humanity and all is well..amen
This explanation doesn't satisfy my feelings about original sin. The Church in the Catechism says that there was some act done by the first man. I consider this a myth wherein there resides some truth about our nature, and our reflections on God and the human condition. My question then is, " How do we know this?" Most people will say, "Well, it's in the Bible." Yes but that is not a proof that this "act" took place." There were no people, except for two players and "supposedly", God walking about with them giving them instructions.For a fundamentalist, this is proof enough but it isn't for a person who questions who wrote the Books of the Bible, when and under what circumstances. I prefer to look on all creation as good and we are the ones who assign what is evil (sinful) and good. Is killing someone good or evil? - well, it depends. Is stealing good or evil? Well, it depends. When we make moral absolutes in religion, it's dangerous.- there are many shades of gray in our black or white religions, or at least, that is my take on it.. Gerry (on P's comment page)
My mind is blown. I was just baptized catholic and I really appreciate your videos! It makes so much sense!!
if you are into the program.maybe..otherwise just more religious folklore..amen
Oooffff.... that was deep! Great explanation!
I'm always speechless everytime I listen to people explaining the obscure language in The Bible. As a kid I never thought much about it, but through curiousity and current events, my faith got reignited.
Thank you, Bishop, for sharing your wisdom on this platform and helping young Christians find themselves and their faith.
Fr. Barron(False Teacher) - "DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Original sin is a LIE- "The Person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself." (Ezekiel 18:20)
And he said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:9
I am fully convinced that Bishop Barron is correct in his explanation (which was apparently posted to TH-cam on or around 2014): that the original Garden of Eden sin was not so much the simple act of eating of the forbidden tree as it was Adam and Eve's decision to start deciding for themselves what was (or is) good and what was (or is) evil. I'm convinced because the serpent told Eve that she could become "like" God, and becoming "like" God was also at the root of Lucifer's rebellion (Isaiah 14:12-14); and importantly, Eve decided that the forbidden fruit was good for food and desirable to make one wise even before she ate of it. QUESTION: Does anyone know where Bishop Barron's explanation - or anything similar - can be found in writing, aside from the following excerpt from pages 50 and 59 of the 2019 commentary on Genesis: "The serpent is the voice in human beings telling them they are- or should be-God-like, meaning they can rely solely on themselves to determine what is right and wrong. This is what is happening in the secular West. People increasingly rely on their feelings to determine right and wrong. They do not rely on God; they do not rely on a religion; they do not rely on a Bible. Morally speaking, they are their own gods. … And as the serpent correctly noted, 'knowing good and evil' can also mean being the one who determines what is good and what is evil. That is what is meant in this verse by "man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.'" (The Rational Bible -- Genesis: God, Creation, and Destruction. 2019, Regnery Faith.) Again, can anyone please tell me where something similar to Bishop Barron's explanation appeas in writing aside from the aforementioned commentary? This explanation seems to be extremely important, but so far I have not seen anything about it in writing except for the above-cited 2019 commentary. Thanks!
It's always amazing how Fr. Barron gives such thoughtful and insightful reflections on so many topics and the comments are so harsh and unappreciative. Pearls before swine, I tell you! Thanks Father, this message was eye-opening for me.
Ryan Slattery - it's always amazing how some (who allude to be Christians) can appear to be loving, but then call their brothers "swine" in a passive aggressive attempt to be assholes.
Sol Mon if Jesus can say it, I think it's okay for Christians to say it
Very clear words and great way to explain us theology. I`m feeling very proud to be Christian after knowing better God and is Sun Jesus through your thoughts. Many thanks!
Already recommend your videos here in Portugal.
God bless you!
Boy, are you easily sucked in to theological crap!
@@patrickbyrne3257 Classy.
Not a Catholic (I'm a filthy Lutheran), but I really appreciate this video.
How does his pink hat work? He isn’t wearing it in this video is that a sin?
Bishop Barron, I am concerned that you seem to refuse to clarify what you said in this video. Several people, including myself, have commented and/or asked you about your comment which indicated that "Adam" in the book of genesis is some kind of metaphor for humanity. We are wondering what your opinion is of the reality of the man Adam, the true origin and nature of original sin, and precisely how your view squares with the Tradition of the Church. It seems, evidenced by several of your videos that have caused controversy, that you often leave legitimate questions on faith unanswered. As a bishop, isn't it your job to instruct the faithful, most especially on matters of faith? This is causing confusion. Please teach us clearly what you mean.
Why does your video clips attract all sorts of trolls and extremists? That would be something to ponder isn't it.
Well, it's kind of typical in the religious arena.
thepuppyturtle wrote: I'll let God be the moral guide of my life as soon as he sees fit to make his existence evident.
me: "and God so loved the world that He sent His only Son..." - Jesus is the fullness of the revelation you seek.
He is......then it should be no trouble at all for you to post a clear and coherent reason WHY you believe that. The problem is this, your dishonesty (like the Good Father here) will keep you from posting it, give it a try and see.
For 98,000 years there was no Jesus, no Gods and all did quite well - why all religious, supernatural and an existence of it all happened so recent?
ANOTHER WARNING: Christians advanced much more than Mulslims who still kill to defend their ass hole daddy up in the sky! But, don't forget, we are all humans - Christians can turn killers as are the Muslims very quickly too. Religions were ok to control people in the past - controlling sex for survival of all etc. Now religions are outdated and very dangerous - have killed more humans than all wars combined! ALL in the name of an invisible flying ass hole up in the sky!'
Sees fit WHAT? How do you communicate with those phantoms? How do they tell you straight out what to to do or not what to do? OR DOES YOU MIND PLAY LITTLE "convenient" TRICKS on you?
Religion is a disease, and Father Barren profits/prophet's from the symptoms.
@@malinthelatin6457 People who believe do so based on their experience of God throughout their life, i.e., if we truly felt nothing or gained nothing from our faith, how could we possibly hang onto it?
The answer is we couldn't.
My advice to you, humble yourself (and know you can't know everything through reason) and pray to Jesus for awhile with the intent of wanting to find the truth.
Mr barron your church claims that natural disasters are a result of original sin and disasters continue only because we continue to sin, so are we to believe that there were no disasters before the myth of original sin suposedly took place?
FreakOfDeath666 Original sin is not a myth. Our human weakness and mortality and the violence and destructiveness and hostility that occurs among men an in nature throughout history testify to the fact that man committed a sin at the beginning of his history that caused disharmony in himself and nature.
Anthony Puccetti --bullshit
@@anthonypuccetti8779 original sin is bullshit
@@manueloropeza510 No, its reality. The effects of it are evident. The desires of the human heart is inclined to evil, as scripture says.
@@nmnjnj586 its not bullshit just because you dont like his answer.....
This is one of my favorite videos by you Father Barron. I'm amazed by how intuitive this story is. The writer of Genesis identified the essential human problem thousands of years ago...yet we still fall into the same trap every single day! Seriously amazing how even the brief account of the fall cuts to the heart of humanity.
Original Sin? If the first man and woman committed sin then we must recognise that they were imperfect beings. Therefore the Creator should blame himself for their imperfections.
They were not imperfect before they sinned, imperfection occurred only after the sin. Adam and Eve had free will to choose to obey God or sin against God, and they chose to go against God's instructions, so how is that God's fault?
Thank you father Barron, especially for sharing so deep understanding of what happens to our consciousness when arrogating to our selves the right to decide good from evil. God bless you dear father !! Always like you and love you !!
No matter how much you try to explain it, the whole story (like much of the bible) makes no sense whatsoever. The idea that a god would purposely plant a forbidden fruit tree, then punish not only the two that ate from it but every other human that ever would exist for eternity..... is more than evil in itself. Your mythological god's punishment was infinitely more evil than eating the apple.
Then he sends himself to earth in the form of his own son. Has his son killed (which was suicide because he was killing himself) just so that he can forgive us and Adam and Eve for eating the apple.
Colossally stupid and laughable no matter how much you tried to sell the story by spending 10 minutes and 29 seconds "explaining it".
I wouldn't say God punishes every other human for Adam and Eve's sin. It is that they gave up their holiness by eating of the tree and had nothing to pass on to future generations. If you have a rich uncle who develops a gambling habit and spends all of his money, he and all future generations will not have a cent because of his mistake.
sshealy1 Bad analogy. My rich uncle may not have an inheritance to offer the next generation, but he may have left countless other things more important than money. Furthermore, his lack of responsibility can effect the next generations financial comfort, but in time they certainly can recover and with hard work make their own money, as can future generations.
Again, the fairy tale Adam and Eve story makes no sense whatsoever .
atheistexchristian
True, money may not be as good an analogy. Money is a good servant, but a bad master. In the Adam and Eve case, their holiness and right union with God is lost. There is nothing more important than that.
sshealy1 I also like your second sentence , I need to remember that .. Thanks!
@ atheistexchristian, you what else doesn't make sense... Shakespeare. Just a bunch of jibberidoo and nonsense. Thank god smart peeps like us know better eh?
Dear Fr. Barron,
Your exposition of sin, Original Sin, that is, is quite clear to me.
Now, Our Lord has created us from clay or whatever, and has blown into us the Spirit of Life. Once this Spirit of life is recovered and it parts to its Original Place, The Creator, it is, or better, would it be against His Laws to have this body meshed-up, homogenized, pasteurized, and used as a fertilizer for the plants that live in this world? You know that there are too many cemeteries, and instead of being cremated, which is just as bad, we could donate our bodies to a useful use.
What do you think about this? Best regards, John.
I don’t believe in “sin” in the way Christianity (as I understand it) teaches. There is so much baggage that goes into this word that it takes a lot more unpacking than many people realize.
For example, “sin” seems to demand punishment. That’s what’s tied up in this word, not just the idea of “bad behavior.” Why should this be so? One can look at it a number of ways. One can see it neutrally, that punishment automatically follows sin as a necessary consequence - and one may leave it at that. But no, instead of seeing it neutrally this way we are told that we ought to “beat our breast” to do penance to a God who eyes us intimately with this sin in view… We are taught to make a big deal out of it and to feel stress, to introduce shame and guilt and fear and all other such negative emotions, that it is the mark of a “true Christian” even that to have these affections is a mark of spiritual progress… I don’t see how feeling the “crushing weight” of sin should lead one to a higher spiritual platform. It is in a sense pathetic even, that one “calls out the name of the Lord” in a desperate, feeble way; that one has left all his sense of healthy pride and self-possession and become “born again” believing that even for the slightest sin he deserves to die eternally…. None of this seems healthy to me. It seems artificial and a ghettoization of the interior life, not an advancement in spiritual maturity. Actually, it seems more like a debasement to be perfectly blunt. Nietzsche was on to something when he railed against "bad conscience"…
True conscience and accountability DOES take into account a real estimation of his or her moral status. But self-evaluation need not imply self-debasement. Humility yes, humiliation not at all. That’s what I think.
Thank you Fr. Baron. Very inspiring, I needed an explanation for my own tendencies to sin, despite being a devout Catholic! Helps explain David’s declaration in psalm 51, ‘I was conceived in Sin!’
Bishop Barron- I am a stay at home mom and I listen to your videos every day when my baby is napping. These videos have livened my faith and nurtured my soul. Thank you so so much for all you do!!!!
Thank you Fr. Barron. As usual you make everything clear and easy to understand.
I was wondering if you are a fan of Leonard Cohen, and if you would have the time to do a review of a song of his called "The Future"
And their Lord called to them(ADAM & EVE a.s.), "Did I Not Forbid you from that tree and tell you that SATAN IS to you a CLEAR ENEMY?"
They replied, “Our Lord! We HAVE WRONGED OURSELVES. If You do not FORGIVE US and have Mercy on us, we will certainly be LOSERS.” 7.22-23
"So ALLAH ACCEPTED HIS REPENTANCE. Surely HE is the Accepter of Repentance, MOST MERCIFUL"
Qur'an Majeed 2.37
"CHILD WILL NOT SHARE the GUILT OF the PARENT, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the WICKEDNESS OF the WICKED WILL BE CHARGED AGAINST THEM." Ezikel 18.20
Thank you Bishop! So many RC commentators seem "Catholic specific" in many ways. I deeply appreciate your broadly Christian comments and keen insights. We, the believing Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches have so much more in common than what separates us. Thanks for helping to make that clear.
1:20 Eve was health conscious..nothing to do with challenging Mahammad Ali for 5 rounds so to speak..amen
And I thought only rabbi's had this deep knowledge of things of scripture.
The myth of the garden looks more a history about the development of human consciousness.
Yes they are metaphorical stories about human nature.
They were afraid because they got caught on someone else's turf. I'm surprised they were still alive at all after that.
Eating from someone else's fruit tree is still called stealing.
The bishop is masterful at contorting religious theology to try to shoehorn into the scientific lab...a hard task for any of the praying class..amen
What matters here is what the Hebrew text says, not the corrupted Christian texts. Man was created in Genesis 26, Let us make man in our image (Plural). Then in 27, God created man in his image. (Singular). This is from a 1933 Hebrew text people. God then blessed them, HE, him, male and female created HE them. Then, where Christians fuck things up and confuse themselves in Genesis Ch 2, vs 7, the Lord God creates man of dust and breathes in his nostrils making him a living being. Here is the problem not unlike what Luther dealt with 500 years ago, he did not understand the Hebraic message because he thought like a Christian. The Hebrew bible is a book that tell the Jews they are Human and everyone else is not. Hence, man in Gen 26-27 and man the living being created in CH2 vs 7. THESE ARE SEPARATE BEINGS IN JEWISH LAW. These are not the same people and this is how Jews define everything, they are the only humans and it's in their Bible, so they are married to it forever. Moreover, Gods law to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was ONLY given to the man, not the woman because the law was given to man in Gen Ch2 vs 17 but woman did not appear until vs 22. She ate of the tree, not fruit people, not knowing of the law and the serpent deceived her. Man, was misled by the woman and for this he became like the Lord God because he ate of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, Not the tree of right and wrong people as you are led to believe. Man was removed from the garden to till the ground BUT WOMAN WAS NOT REMOVED. HMMM? DEEP THOUGHTS.. Moreover we know they did not die so what is going on here? (if you embrace good and evil, which are one and the same you will dominate the world and live forever) Then, in Gen Ch 3, vs 27 the Lord God said man has become one of us to know good and evil because he ate of the tree of life and will live forever. Here is what Christians do not know because they listen to others and do not investigate for themselves. The Lord God in chapter 2 is not the God in chapter 1 hence the title variation, Lord God and God. Names and titles are specific. Capitalization is specific and critical. What God says and the Lord God says and does are separate things in the Hebrew Bible. This is why Christians are like gerbils running on a wheel going nowhere. You read edited, corrupted text, that was written by people who did not study Hebrew. And in many cases like the Scofield Bible, the bible was ghost written by Jewish people who corrupted the Christian text. Scofield was the founder of the nonsense Evangelicals espouse but lest I digress. Now go read people and fix your goddamn religion. Know who has corrupted your understanding of everything about original sin. If you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will be like God and live forever. Mirrors of evil on earth are made with the words. Mirrors of lies and liars.
...Original Sin is "the original" private self-ishness, private "self-determination" or private "self-will" - the private self usurping the determination in unchanging good & there is no good but in Being which is God & the good of the world in its healthy wholeness. In fact there is no such thing as private good qua private...
There is no good except in Life / Being & Be-ing. ... what is the good? The good (is that which) fulfills the flourishing of life; evil is that which corrupt and destroy life. ... sin is 'rebellion' against the ordained divine life.
The legitimate human good is that which fulfills the specific performance (Aristotle: "ergon") of the human being. The human good is that which provides for the human being fullness of being (fully alive).
This is not the explanation I'm used to hearing. It's called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE). What went wrong is that they wanted to decide for themselves what's Good and Evil? But that's not what TKGE does for you. It doesn't give you the power to decide what will be Good and Evil, only the opportunity to KNOW what they are. That's the K in TKGE. There was no Tree of Creating Good and Evil. If Adam and Eve were that ambitious, they maybe should have chopped down the TKGE or set it on fire, but even that doesn't sound too promising. As always the big question is, if God created man good, why did man quickly turn out to have a sinful nature? As ever, no answer.
Things are simple and clear in a cartoon world where God speaks directly to Adam and Eve - "do not eat from this tree". What about the real world that we actually live in? You are implying that people do not have the ability to judge on their own what is good and evil. That only God can do this. I suppose we do have the Bible for this, 10 commandments, etc. What about the cultures that have never had access to the Bible? Does God speak directly to them each day? If he speaks directly to them, then why do we need the Bible to tell us right and wrong? No wonder we live in such a confusing world. The problem is our smart people like our bishops, do not question their own logic. There is not an original sin as we are taught by the Catholic Church. The character of man is how God created us. It is that simple. Does man have the ability or maybe the propensity to sin? Yes. Most of the struggle of man to not sin, is the struggle of man to not act like a really smart wild animal. The day the Catholic Church does not attempt to use the writings about the Garden of Eden to base anything important on, will be the day the respect for the Church takes a huge leap upward. BUT STILL LOVE FATHER BARRON.
How did the sin of our first parents become the sin of the whole human race? What was St. Augustine’s philosophical argument in support of the doctrine of original sin? And why do you avoid discussing the known facts of evolution?
The doctrine of original sin that includes the transmittal of that "sin" to all succeeding generations is the most egregious example of injustice ever conceived. More and more literate people properly reject it as utter nonsense.
+Hawker Seafury You sound like an atheist. Of all the videos I've seen on you tube, only two people understood what the meaning of original sin means. One was Alain De button: an atheist. He said,"Original sin basically means that man is flawed"
The other person was Chris Hedges.
I was raised a nominal Catholic and later became a born again evangelical. I have since denounced evangelicalism. If only an evangelical could give such thoughtful answers as Father Baron
It's time to get back home
Any port in a storm. There are no atheists in foxholes. Street corner preachers are a dime a dozen.
Adam and Eve were outsiders and wandered into someone else's turf. They got what they deserved.
The bishop should to address damnation of the innocents (like of un-baptised infants). It's a big "stumbling block" in most people's minds including, in my experience, otherwise believing Catholics.
Read Ĺusìa Piccarretta on the Divine Will and every other mystics. God created Adam from nothing. He was a real rational being with an intellect, imagination , a will and sharing in the Divine Will. The fall truly happened . Our first parents caused all of creation to be affected : the universe , animals and eart and their offspring. That's is exactly what we witness today. Theistic evolution has many problems. Unfortunately too many theologians follow it. Follows the fathers of the Church.
The "Original" sin was acts and omissions of 1/3 of the original inhabitants of Heaven that actually occurred in Heaven when Satan stirred up a rebellion against the rightfully God-appointed King of Heaven. This resulted in the fall when we were all consigned to Paradise - a spiritual sphere somewhat lower than Heaven. A fast-track attempt to rehabilitate all the fallen spirits failed due to the further disobedience of Adam and Eve, two former spiritual leaders of Heaven, in the Garden of Eden which was located in Paradise. The Garden of Eden was a spiritual garden and not located on earth as many believe today. The physical world did not exist at that time and was brought into existence as a result of the second fall when God put together His Secret Plan of Redemption.
1 Corinthians 2:7: "We proclaim the mysterious plan conceived by God in His wisdom, a plan which has hitherto been concealed, but which God established before time began in order to lead us back to glory. This plan was known to none of the rulers of this world, (Satan/Lucifer) for otherwise, they would not have crucified the lord of glory." There is a subtle clue in that passage with the phrase "before time began." Time does not exist in Heaven and this phrase indicates that there was need for a Redemptive Plan before the physical universe was created. In actual fact the physical creation was an important element of God's Plan of Redemption.
Everyone on earth is concerned with their destination at the end of their life but few stop to think about the reason they are on earth, how they came to be on earth, or why did they need to be redeemed.
There's only one problem with this - there is no such thing as God
There were the dark ages where religion was the only answer people had. Then came the renaissance and the enlightenment where science, logic, reason mathematics, philosophy provided much better answers which were verifiable and provable. Smart people threw out old cruel repressive superstition and became free. Why haven't you?
Originality is a sin...
If your cool they wanna be cooler
If your a drug addict they are bigger drug addicts
If your a heavy metal head they know every song by every band and shred
If your crazy they are crazier
If your a talented artist they are all better than you and you suck...
If you program games they are all game designers and you suck...
But you'll never be me...
Go steal someone else's cool.... Loosers...
HOW MANY CAIND OF BIBLES EXIST IN THE WORLD ?MINING DIFERENT COUNTRES,AND THEY SPEAK OF THE SAME GOD OR JESUS>?EXSAMPLE VIRGIN MARY HOW MANY MARY'S WHIT DIFERENT NAME S?
Another way of saying this, Adam and Eve acted presumptuously! They failed to observe the limits of what was permitted or appropriate (that which God had commanded them)
You don't really tackle why this sin should be inherited or where, along our evolution from the stars and the clay, the garden and Adam and Eve appeared in order to commit this sin and forever bequeath a very disordered human race to founder and fall and cause great suffering. Why make us like this? The question of free will needs to be addressed.
The sin was the manipulation of our DNA, by beings that claimed to be gods and angels. See Chromosome 2 fusion.
And Genesis actually has the word "Genes" in it.
Sol Mon 'Genes' came from 'genesis'. It means 'beginning', it has nothing to do with genetics specifically.
God is Love personified. Derived from Love are the actions defined as good and the actions defined as evil. Humans, while incarnate, are too veiled by our animal drives and instincts, from God's wisdom to know what is good and evil.
So God is either not almighty (puny god) or plain cruel and we have to accept that for what it is. On top of that, we - who did not even ask to be born - come into this world already burdened by the wrong done by someone else and have to live a life of hardship to achieve bliss. Failure in this finite life means infinite unspeakable pain in an infinite afterlife. And all of this is based on the evidence given in some writings from the late bronze age of a very specific people in the Middle East and the interpretation of them that emerged succesful in the face of a myriad other equally valid interpretations, writings that are mostly unfalsifiable and whose falsifiable part (cosmological e.g.) has already been proven wrong.
OK then.
My question is, If God caused a flood to destroy all the sinful people and started over with 1 righteous man and his family.
Why do we take sin back to Adam and not Noah if all the sin was washed away in the flood?
God Bless you Father Barron. We are so blessed to have you in our Catholic Church, keep up enlightening us all.
Poor suckers like you can't even think for yourself and do your own research deeply into the Truth. Lame brained loser!
@@patrickbyrne3257 Classy.
I was watching my cat in the laundry yesterday. It was interesting because it gave me a glimpse of what may have happened and why Adam and Eve experienced deep discomfort after eating from the Tree of Knowledge. the cat was walking past the washing machine, the same washing machine it always sees going out or coming in from the cat door. the washing machine was making a weird sound this time, and the cat thought the machine was alive somehow and it stopped, hiding behind a clothesline, to catch the "machine animal". what I mean is that the cat has no knowledge of something being alive and manmade; if the object makes a sound or moves, it will reclassify as alive. At the same time, the cat has no knowledge of his body as we do, and that is why we cover it, and it doesn't. It's a bit as it sees through his eyes only where we are in our bodies after eating from the Tree of Knowledge.
So thousands of generations ago someone ate an apple 🍎, and now because of this I don't have free will to choose not to sin but "God" is going to punish me for sinning for millions of years unless you forgive me? And where is that in your book? How sad that millions of poor sheep are getting sheared by this wolf in shepherd's clothing who lack discernment!
None of this is real, only what comes after. There is only light and darkness. We are here to choose to which we belong. God never once abandoned us. God loves us all and wants us to return to him. Pray and repent and pray for guidance. Pray for wisdom and strength so that you can fight temptation and the lures of the dark energies. All we have to do is believe in God and trust him and pray to him. God loves you.
We were not born with original sin because of Adam. It is part of the human condition. We have instincts that are God given. The instincts that far reach their intended purposes make us selfish and selfcentered. They makes us fearful and dishonest to get what we think we need to be secure in ourselves. This is where defect of chacter and shortcommings come from. This is where "sin" originates. Out of ourselves and selfish and self centered fears. Instincts out of wack or Self will.
So original sin is when an individual decides right or wrong_ without factoring God's will as interpreted by the church(men) woow . I always wonder why Joseph did not carry the son of God in his womb?
Thank you Bishop for these videos, you explain things in such an understandable way.
Original sin as a doctrine simply has no basis in scripture. This doctrine leads to infant baptism which has no basis in scripture. "Children are alive in Christ" as they are not accountable thus upon the tragic death of a child are never held accountable by the Savior.
We don't need his views we can Reason out just as good. God spoke to shepherds and fisherman,not the hierarchy of the priesthood.
try the new testament where Jesus gave us the meaning of life and those whe were with him, and thes who were not, like the Pharisees who wore fancy dress, big titles, and called father, and got paid handsomely, Jesus said let no one call you father as every one that is taught will be a father in love, you got freely, so give freely, only ones i know is the Jehovah witnesses who do this, Why ??
Adam and Eve were wandering nomadic tribesmen. They knew nothing about water, gardening and fruit trees.
If you have to go this far, you are grasping. God will tell us the truth Himself and I doubt this guy is the one with all the answers.
This is the deepest interpretation of the fall of man I have ever heard.
There is no such thing as a jury of your peers or your equals. No one has a God given right to argue or debate another's belief or religion.
Sick vid bro keep up the groovy stuff my man! #jesus #isgr8
Why am I unhappy? I have this gaping hole within me that no matter what I try to do to try and fill it stays painfully empty.
Brilliant
Not all good things come from God. The New Testament is also flawed.
Thank you Fr. Barron! Regarding your explanation that original sin was man's assuming the prerogative for determining good and evil-- can you describe what it meant for Mary to be conceived without original sin?
I thought Jesus Christ was the only one who was sinless? He was without sin? Original Sin?
Fr. Barron, that was one of your best commentaries !
Do not eat apples!!!
They contain Original Sin ! Yikes !
Thank you, truly appreciate this clear insightful and illuminating explanation of truth, also appreciate your presence in the media, again, thank you.
Original Sin. Just the basics of right and wrong.
My theory is this, the tree of knowledge, of good and evil was metaphorical, Eve was tricked into "sin(time)", the gate way of this physical reality universe, that is called time and space. Sin=time, which, if given enough of it, can lead you to do evil, wicked and horrible things to each other! So when the bible says , "humankind is born into sin", the bible doesn't mean, a innocent baby was born evil, corrupt! It means, that we were born in time which equals sin! That makes so much more logical sense, its obsurd to think, that if a baby dies before it can ever understand, comprehend and or decern what evil and good is, that it is damn to hell eternal. The very thing that sin does, if given enough of it continually, will destroy, kill, corrode, rot, decay and ultimately, leads to your family, friends, your pets and everything, you ever loved, Includeing your self to unending pain, suffering, sadness, and the eventual death of all of it, you hold dear, Includeing your self. Time Is evil, evil is time! That's exactly why, god wanted us, to follow in his teachings and to follow his commandments. Because, you cannot continually, be evil, wicked and none unrepentant, in time, or the wages of time, will be death. The bible says " the wages of sin(time) is death". Take away this, "physical universe of reality time(sin)", away and be in presence of god and it would be impossible for any evil, to enter your heart, because you don't, have to worry or stress about the effects of time, because the Creator will sustain us in happiness, and joy! We won't need to hunger, or feel pain, thirst, or any of the horrible things, that time(sin) makes you do!
Josiah Bailey 🌞🔥⚡️✨Well said Josiah! May we be free of this fallen world... check out Near Death Experiences!
Amazing what folks say after leaving their bodies & entering the light!
Another "theorist! God damn it, when will all this theorizing garbage end!!!!!!!!!!!??
Can you do a video, soon, about the pitfalls of new age-ism culture and practices.
I like new age and I am catholic. I don't think there is anything wrong with it.
Christopher Martin Peace to you. Would you be open enough to check this site out? This woman used to be veeery big in the new age movement. I used to be attracted to some of it...now I think of it as spiritual junk food. Delicious at first--but ultimately bad for you. :-)
Pat B ps I don't know why youtube drew a line through some of my reply.
Pat B
What is the website? I love mysticism from all the great saints of Mother Church, and I think it is very similar to new age thought.
Adam was made from dust, not clay. One can mold things from clay a lot better than one can mold dust. But clay is a much weaker metaphor than dust. Remember you are dust and to dust you shall return.
Dust, ash - this metaphor means memory. Skeletons in the closet :))
Awesome! Thank you!
The baptism and renewal is great! 😇😇😇
Original sin is a lie and it’s not taught in the Bible.
This is just a guy. Nobody special. A guy telling you stuff other guys made up.
Come on, friend. How about an argument and not just insults.
But if we are made in His image and "likeness," then wouldn't delving into the understanding of good and evil be integral to our being? If we know not evil, and evil exists through the devil, how could we ever identify, resist, and fight evil when it comes? Bishop Barron has done what Robert Stackpole did in his book "A Bridge of Mercy," namely, exercise philosophical and theological "gymnastics" to come to a conclusion that is entirely debatable. But it seems to me that if the explanation is so convoluted, then it might not be right.
I always considered that it was knowing good from evil - as objective realities - rather than deciding what was good and evil.
That's an interesting thought. Thanks!
Jesus Christ was the only one who had no sin.
I never thought about the original sin that way. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
What "wisdom"? That is his own egocentric interpretation in fancy words no less. Garbage all of it!
Patrick,
Back it up
Thank you Bishop Barron. ❤🙏
Wow, this explains so much, thank you
God does not sin but the origin of sin must originate with God for he is creator of all things. Hebrew defines sin as ' missing the mark ' , or making a mistake, the mark being God's standard of righteousness (opposite of wrongeousness) To disobey the clear command of an all knowing benevolent God is a mistake summed up as disobedience . " For God has consigned all to disobedience so that he will have mercy on them all " Romans 11:32. " No one is cast off forever by the Lord, though he brings grief he will show compassion because of the greatness of his unfailing love" Lamentations 3:31-33 God created evil Isaiah 45:7 and Jeremiah alone records God either doing evil or repenting from the evil he had planned to do. God always does what is right Genesis 18:25 that is why he does not sin. Sometimes it is right to do evil such as when God delivered his innocent Son into the hands of those who would crucify him by the predetermined counsel of his will Acts 2:23. In order to become like God we must know good and evil in their entirety in order to always do what is right. The opposite of disobedience is obedience and God has prescribed suffering as the method of its acquisition "Even though he was God's Son he learnt obedience through the things he suffered" Hebrews 5:8. God is the author and finisher of our faith Hebrews12;2. " God wills all men to be saved " 1Timothy 2:4 God works everything to conformity with the counsel of his will Ephesians 1:11 "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive " 1Corinthians 15:22
Jeremiah alone records 30 instances of God either doing evil or repenting from the evil he had planned to do
Yes I am aware of the "hell" and "eternal punishment" teachings but these are due to the traditions of men and faulty translations of God's Hebrew and Greek inspired Word and contradict : God was sent/came to save sinners/everyone Jesus is God John 1:1 God is love 1John 4:8 and Love NEVER fails 1Corinthians 13:8.
Hell of a long time to hold a grudge
It's nothing to be proud of.
Thank you. This truth of original sin makes it okay that Mary laid with her husband Joseph. Sex is one of God's original blessings towards a husband and wife. St. Augustine had it wrong though he was a holy man. I am happy that you showed the truth that Mary was just a blameless blessed woman and not some divine co-redeamtrex 'Queen of Heaven'
The Bible says very clearly what their sin was. Lust of the eyes and pride of life. This is as original as it gets. I reject terms like original sin and whatever else as with all sacraments and all that garbage... it’s junk food for the soul.
Lust of the eyes. Pride of life. Self love. This is avarice. The root of every type of Evil. Love of the self. Self adoration. This is the heart of every law breaker. This is all throughout scripture. Sin is transgression of the law. The law is you shall love God with everything and your neighbor as yourself. When we try to excuse ourselves from loving certain people by claiming they aren’t our neighbors, we are committing the sin of self love and rejecting/hating our brothers.
Avarice is the root of every type of evil.
Their actually is ZERO original sin in the Masoretic text. So, it's likely that this concept was made up by religious psychopaths in order to set the stage for psychological operations under the guise of spirituality.
In fact, the knowledge of good and evil was literally the knowledge of procreation - and NOT the knowledge of wrong or right. That's a fact. That is Truth. It's in the ORIGINAL Masoretic texts (that the Bible is founded on).
Oh the irony of christian morality. By the bibles own account if adam and even hadn't commited their 'original sin' by eating the fruit, humans would just be animals without any comprehension of right or wrong.
My concern has always been the issue of justice..."Abraham was a Manifestation of God and a descendant of Adam; likewise, Ishmael, Isaac, Jeremiah and the whole line of prophets including David, Solomon and Aaron were among His posterity. Were all these holy men condemned to a realm of punishment because of a deed committed by the first father, because of a mistake said to have been made by their mutual and remotest ancestor Adam?" ~ Abdu'l Baha, Baha'i Faith