God's Anger is Actually a Rescue Operation | Bishop Robert Barron
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- The question is often asked: how could a loving God do some of the things He's purported to do in the Old Testament? During a presentation to seminarians at The Saint Paul Seminary, Bishop Robert Barron offered a clear answer.
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On Tuesday May 15th, my 78 year old father was laying in his hospital bed, in terribly rough shape. I left thinking he might not make it. He told me that night he cried out for Jesus to come rescue him. I saw him 2 days later on Thursday, and it was night and day. He was awake, alert, well, and perfectly calm. He told me on Wednesday morning a man came to see him and brought him the Host. He said to me "Mickey, I cried out to the Lord and my Lord came running to me."
Wow 🥹
Praise God and thank You Jesus🙏 May the grace of God accompany your father and you to the end of time. God bless🙏
I believe it. My LGBTQ son was having heart surgery. Instead of sitting at the hospital, I went to Adoration. I CRIED to the Lord to take care of my adult child, he has been away from the Sacraments, but I said, Lord, You handle everything. The next day, my son saud that just before he was taken to surgery, 2 Catholic women cane, prayed over him and gave him communion. Some people may be angry that my child received unworthily, but I see Jesus saying, I AM THE LORD, I HO WHERE I PLEASE AND I KNOW MY SHEEP. Praise be to our loving God.
Holy Spirit is here and there
Amen❤❤
Clarity of teaching, clarity of analogy, clarity of parallels, and clarity of the Teacher. What marvels are the works of God through Bishop Barron. Deo gratias!❤
Yes, we need more like this. Clarity is important. But so is curiosity. There is far more to the story of Noah than anyone has asked about, and it points to the killing of a competing species some 30,000 years ago -- the "daughters of men." Discovering this made the conclusion that "God is LOVE" seem imminently more obvious.
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"The one who listens to you listens to me and the Father who sent me"!!!
@@RodMartinJrhuman life belongs to God!!!! He can prune it as he pleases!!
@@davido3026 Thank you for your shallow answer, devoid of understanding. The whole universe belongs to God and He could turn it OFF in the next instant.
But understanding what God finds pleasing is at the heart of what I said.
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Well said Mark! Keep following the Bishop and pray that we in turn can lead others to learn about his ministry, and together join in the great work of "evangelization".
The Holy Spirit dwells in the Catholic Church since 33AD
The indwelling of the HS was ONLY for the last days of the Old Covenant. The RCC went off the rails into idolatry and has never come back.
@@davidcole1475 God has brought you here, to the good and true teachings of His Church. Thank God! But do not “bring a slanderous judgement against them”, which even God’s angels did not dare to do (2 Peter 2:11). You have not spoken what is true concerning the Catholic Church, for this is the Church that traces its spiritual, theological, and ecclesial origin back to Jesus and the Apostles-“the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone” (Ephesians 2:20). Jesus Himself has promised that no evil will prevail against the Church and that the Holy Spirit will always be with this Church He established: “I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”; “I am with you always, even to the end of the age”; “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever-the Spirit of truth.” (Matthew 16:18; 28:20; John 14:16-17).
Thank you Lord Jesus, for your servant Bishop Robert Barron !!!!!!!🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊
Unto thy hands we commend our spirit. Amen 🙏🙏🙏
You are blessing to the church, Bishop
The song and dance in unison by the faithful are a delight in His church to our God. Well put by the bishop who astounds me every time I hear him.
Always love you teachings, beautiful and meaningful that bring deep understanding. Thank you!
God bless you. We need philosophical theologians today.
Beautiful talk, Bishop Barron. Thank you. God bless you.
BARRON FOR POPE!
I may have been the first person to think that, like 3-4 years ago. The good Bishop said, please don't say that. You know how the papacy is a role that few Priests aspire to. But I agree with oyu; he'd make a great Pope.
God chooses the pope!! Just remember that
Moving in Harmony with the Lord....🥰
My only place of safety is to abide deep in the wounds of my Precious Jesus Christ.To meditate in SOLITUDE & SILENCE upon HIS BODY & BLOOD, SOUL & DIVINITY.❤
So beautiful 🙏 and such a relief to hear good sense 🙌
Yes.
Our Father God
We come together in prayer,
We love you and thank you,
For all you have done ,
All you are doing ,
And … all … you are going to do.
In Jesus Mighty Name
Thank you
Amen
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I am always struck by the couple of time where God tells someone not to pray for another. I actually find comfort in it and think it affirms the power of intersession. Intersession is SO powerful, that when intersession for a person is contrary to God's Will, He must proactively caution against it.
Thank you for sharing this talk. I find it just wonderful to see our seminarians taking notes from Bishop Barron. His teachings will go down through generations.
Bishop Robert pls could you pray for Darius herion addiction that he may leave it and never relapses again pls also pray for him at the mass you have every day .
Dios te bendiga padre Barrón. Tus palabras y su sabiduría son de conciliación y unión. Que el espíritu Santo siempre viva en ti
“But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive” (Genesis 50)
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
Just close your eyes and say
“Jesus, I don’t have faith in you, please help me believe” Jesus loves you, turn to Him before it is too late. He loves you so much that He died for you. I’m praying for you❤🙏
The most brilliant explanation I’ve heard so far on the wrath of God.
that is an astounding statement on the wrath of God..
Truth!!!
Thank you again Bishop
Glad to have found this. Grateful to God in the highest. 🙏🏼
This message is so important
That's exactly why humanity must be unite to be able to defend ourselves against it.
We need unity.
Fantastic!
Your Excellency, thank you for the unintentionally funny reference to David’s robe-and a fascinating take on God’s wrath. Also, thanks for citing authors.
The church is Peter's boat, the Holy Spirit, the wind; the sails the hope of people, the Virgin Mary the captain and the pope the rudder operator!!!
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Amen amen
Thank hu...teacher how to navigate"little season" restrainer is gone...thank hu...love song to GODS
And he will do when all his children are taken home.
God bless you all, sad that you do not understand the love of God....sin is real, evil one is real... making good evil and evil good, hows that going for you all? Bishop Barron is walking his faith. Perhaps not for everyone...
Emotions liken to Horses at Odds with Each Other Pulling your Chariot. Who holds The Reins ? Which Horse Leads ? Which Horses do you Choose ?
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Wouldn’t someone walking faster slow down for someone that’s hurt?
Who do the priest go for confession curious ????
god does not get angry. he just watches.
God, written with G
I know he means well…I think. 🤔
During NOAH'S time, God DID wipe out the entire race, except that "8 souls were saved" - Noahs family. Men, women, children...ALL of them faced God's wrath and judgement for SIN. So did Sodom and Gomorrah. Men, women and children faced God's wrath and judgement for SIN.
I heard an argument that Yahova in the OT is a cruel pagan tribal god who urged Israelites to kill others. It further argued that the Father God in Christianity is not Yahova and Jesus has no connection with Yahova. How do we counter this stupidity?
Our god is an angry god...Anger management therapy may help perhaps ?
I often had to send some of my staff for help as they were dealing with the public and sometimes could not maintain the required level of civility..amen
God's wrath is not the same as human wrath or rage or angry or hatred. It is His passion for our own good. Listen again and again until you get the point.
Not being a mind reader but wanting to understand I have to give you feedback that like many other comments that don't clarify the content it just comes across as con fused ramblings. - Where? What Circumstances ? What have members of the public got to do with the wrath of God?
John 4:22 salvation is from the jews
0:34 God does not do anything till he sends his prophets and a pre warning. 120 yrs noah preached. 400 years with the amalekites. The Roman Catholic church has no such patience with those they consider not in their own fold
The Catholic church made the bible in 382AD, she was 350 years old!!! What patience are you talking about?
Herod
Roman empire
French Revolution
Napoleon
Stalin & the USSR
Mussolini
Hitler....
Are dead, do not bark, nor do they stink!!!
The church continues.....to parousia
Nonsense. "God is love" must be harmonized with "God is a consuming fire." They are totally opposite and cannot be made to be the same. Instead of attempting to turn punishment into love one must view both love and punishment as part of conditional covenant promises. Therefore "God is love" is not a good hermeneutic to view scripture from. Rather God as the covenant keeper is. Covenant is the overriding hermeneutic in which both love and justice can be given without contradiction.
Speaking of Noah's Ark. I always wondered if dinosaurs died out by the flood, and maybe God didn't preserve them on the Ark because they were created by the devil.
How do you know ? Your opinion.
L'église prêche un Dieu qui fait peur pour inciter les gens à ne pas être eux mêmes et à se taire...pourtant le Christ nous dit que l'amour est supérieure à la loi.. Bizarre !!
« à ne pas être eux mêmes et à se taire » - c’est le problème de ta façon de penser. J’imagine que tu suis la philosophie relativiste qui suggère que toutes les façons d’agir sont acceptables? Jésus nous dit pas du tout que l’amour est supérieure à la loi. Presque tout ce qu’il a dit était contraire à ça.
Yes but not the entire race
There is survivors
Examine yourself are you eligible
In the great flood all died except Noah. What did innocent the children do to deserve Splease spin this to show God's justice & mercy
The OT has a psalm that explains how God sees people, that he knew you before you were born. He doesn’t see time unfold in a linear fashion but can see the present, past and future all at once. God doesn’t just see you before you were born but exactly who you will be when you die as a geriatric adult.
Compare this to you watching a movie … when you watch the same move multiple times … not only do you know the characters at the start of the movie, you now exactly what they will do to the end credits. Similar to God you know precisely what people will do evil things and how things will unfold. You will know how people’s action affect others in the story. In fact you would judge the characters and their actions. You know these things as facts because you know how it plays out preciously every time you watch it … even though the characters of the movie if they were to become animated would proclaim to you how dare you judge them for things they haven’t done …. Even as they proceed to act out each of their parts to the story exactly as you knew they would.
God doesn’t see a baby he sees the entire life of people and how they impact others and how subsequent generation grow and treat the world.
You watch the news every year and see stories where some monster killed multiple people. Then you learn how that person was mistreated all their lives and had parents that were cruel and mean. An entire family of crooks raising kids who become crooks. We see this happening so often that society has the phrase the Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
If we can so easily judge the lineage of a family who so clearly doesn’t comply with what we call good in society… how would we judge if we were able to see an entire city of people and how they act with others in the world … knowing every single person and what they will be and how each generation will go until the end of time.
If an entire city is full of deplorable people and always will be and you know that this city full of evil people will absolutely wreck others they encounter and completely destroy the balance of the world … so certainly that nothing can be done to stop it by any other civilized people on earth, and God knows this. Why would you be angry if he interceded and used his power to destroy those people to preserve the rest of humanity from an evil the rest of the world would be unable to stop.
Everyday people wonder why God allows evil to happen. How some can clearly do evil and not be struck down. We do this with one person and one instance in their lives and make such a judgment that they should cease to be that God should strike them down when we have no idea what impact that person will have over their entire life.
So I find it odd how you could be so judgemental on what God may do given his ability to see everything humanity does and the impact of each of us on an entire species to its end of days. Especially since you yourself judge people everyday and convict them with your limited point of view and you having no clue how that person will impact the world and how the people that person influenced will impact the world and so on until the end of time.
I understood this so clearly thank you. 🙏🏼👏🏼
The story of Noah is a metaphorical story based in the propensity of the region to flood. The ancient people gave these floods religious meaning and this meaning can be inspired. The graphics of all the people dying etc need to be understood in terms of their mythical nature as Bisho Baron is trying to emphasize
By being evil as their parents.
Well that sounds a bit rotten.
Great modernist preaching! Vatican 2 sure is a great thing for people who don’t want to be catholic!!
Brian, how have you learned about Vatican II, what have you read, studied? I'm curious about your sources and the extent of your study that leads you to write this after hearing the Bishop's talk. Answer if you'd like, but no pressure. And God bless you!
Lord have mercy
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Org and click on “key issues “ I found that very helpful information as I looked into the issues of Vatican 2.
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I keep trying to answer but these modernist seem to be stopping my response. Shocking lol
@@BrianBenson-rc9mu No problem, Brian. Consider reading the actual documents of Vatican II yourself. They are Good, True, and Beautiful. And God bless you.
5:24-6:24, so Noah's was the first covenantal ark, before the Ark of the Covenant. ...Does that make the earliest remaining family (Noah's line)... a coven? Can't help but recall Nina Simone singing Leonard Cohen's lyrics, "Jesus was a sailor," in the song Suzanne, and El Greco has an image of Christ on the cross looking very much like a mainsail... //7:10 the Washington Generals ALWAYS lose to the Harlem Globetrotters cuz as their name clarifies, the Globetrotters traveled the world and are thus more catholic 😆🤣
More "mass murder is wrong...unless God does it"...right?
What a 'human' God you worship. One full of emotions and desires. A God with 'wrath'? That's just a primitive tribal god - nothing to do with the One.
Unhappy god
Always wanted to destroy.
Man destroys himself. It’s pride that attributes our punishment to the justice server, not the actor. Allegory aside, the reformed often see redemption in nothing more than becoming my best self, b/c ultimately I’m responsible for all my actions. Yes, bad things happen to good people as we’re fallen and broken; but my choice in how I react is fueled by grace. I’ve seen men dark from despair and unredeemable, continuing to torture themselves and others .. until the mercy of forgiveness; and the responsibility of owning one’s junk-humility of asking for forgiveness-puts the want to destroy in my hands, not God’s.
God created everything good, bit if evil reaches highest levels, he will prune it and leave a few seeds to start all over again.
He cannot destroy what he created perfect!!! He is the teacher!!!Per excellence
the most idiotic excuse ,you know what god could do with his anger, shove it.The rescue operation should be at a children's cancer hospital ,or the 20,000 plus children who die every month before the age of 5.
How can anybody believe a word this man says? He claims we have reasonable. Hope that all men are saved. He also claims that “Jesus “is the preferred path.
No he didn't "want" to why would an ever loving caring God want to wipe out something he thought was good? I guess he felt he had to because it got out of control and did not match to his universal laws.
But he knew that before he made them. Why create anything then though?
The lengths you mob go to justify a god that isn't actually very nice, thank you for your church teaching me that it's perfectly acceptable to leave the church and walk my own spiritual path through life 🙂
The moment you called us a mob you lost the argument my friend, God Bless You always and give you happiness ❤️
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If God isn't good, then all is for nothing. The reason there is good, and there is evil, the exact basis of which you judge God, is so that people can see their own sin, corruption, and watch it lead all the way to its ultimate conclusion. We all know that things would go a whole lot smoother if everyone worked together perfectly and no one got angry or greedy or self pitying, ever, then a lot of the worlds evil would disappear overnight. The problem is, you can't have good, or nice, or kindness, without having a counterpart. That counterpart is only an absence of what is good and true. Rudeness is deliberately being unkind. Mean is moving in the opposite direction of nice. It's perfectly acceptable, and actually necessary to put "the mobs" ideas on the back burner, read the Bible, learn the context, and realize where you agree and disagree and learn, rather than point fingers and judge, because Jesus says himself "how do you know what is good?, follow the commandments, and repent" and all over the new testament Saint Paul writes that you shouldn't put down a brother for doing something you think he shouldn't, because you probably have 100 things you do, that he wouldnt. So you live and let live, that's one of the first things.
@calebhenderson3817 if christians did the live and let live that would be nice, but if you look at a map of the world and basically everywhere you find christianity you can be rest assured there was an indigenous spirituality, these people for the best part never asked to have the christian god shoved down their necks, you christians should all have to understand the harm your arrogant religion did to the 1000s of indigenous spiritual paths it basically intentionally destroyed, in my country they were responsible for all but destroying a 65,000 year old culture, think about all of the spiritual knowledge that was intentionally destroyed, an incomprehensible loss to humanity, imagine if a foreign religion did this to your culture, walk a mile in someone else's shoes.
I get the good evil , but your lying god tells us over and over he's a god of infinite love, but if you read the old testament he's basically a bastard, he punishes humanity for breaking his commandments but yet breaks quite a few himself, good old do as a say not as I do type, I know plenty of people like that and they're not particularly nice people I choose to keep my distance from, the first four commandments he tells you his a childish insecure narcissist, step back and view your religion from outside of the bubble, you may be challenged.
For me I’m in trouble when I believe “I” can walk a path alone and “I” can do and be and love my own life as God. That’s what we call “demigod” that the ego-drama I know when I’m living in the Theo-drama and surrender that I am not God, I’m not perfectly ok on a path of “spirituality” I am not in relationship with a “nice” god but a merciful god who extends grace and who is perfect and I fully recognize I’m not it nor am I perfect… I am forgiven!
Is it us he is talking about? Or is he talking about the hairy giants seen all around the world on every continent still trying to stay hidden in places humans hate to visit? Are we the humans or are they the humans. Who invented the word human. is that a direct translation of a phrase used by god?
That's a very easy search to do and get the answers you are looking for.
白马非马？
胡说八道。
误人子弟。
The first display of anger (and wrong at that) is at Genesis 4:8, in which Cain murders his brother Abel, because Cain failed to heed God's counsel to get control of his temper, becoming angry when God looked with favor upon Abel's offering while rejecting Cain's (due to his loveless or hostile disposition), whereby the account says:
"Then Jehovah (God's name, see Isa 12:2; 26:4, KJV) said to Cain (through his angelic representative, called "the Word", John 1:1, 2, and called Jesus Christ): “Why are you so angry and dejected ? If you turn to doing good, will you not be restored to favor ? But if you do not turn to doing good, sin is crouching at the door, and its craving is to dominate you; but will you get the mastery over it ?”(Gen 4:2-7)
Cain never got "the mastery over" sin ("sin", Hebrew chattah, meaning "an offense, and its penalty, an offender", "a sinner") nor of the anger it brings, but was banished to "the land of Exile (Hebrew Nowd, meaning "wandering, vagrancy", see also Ps 56:8)", a location from where he and his parents of Adam and Eve were living, some distance "east of Eden".(Gen 4:15, 16)
Imperfect people often get wrongly angry, lashing out at others without proper cause, because they believe this: "There is a way that seems RIGHT to a man, but in the end it leads to DEATH."(Prov 14:12) On the other hand, Jehovah's anger is always righteous, always perfectly controlled, never being "hot-tempered".(see Prov 19:19, that says "The hot-tempered man will pay the penalty; If you try to spare him, you will have to do it again and again")
The Bible speaks of ' the burning anger ("burning anger", Hebrew charown, H2740, that is from H2734, "charah", meaning "a burning of anger", and "always used of God's anger", Blue Letter Bible) of Jehovah ', some 38 times in the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly, but inaccurately called "the Old Testament")
This is seen as at Exodus 15:3, 7, whereby after the destruction of Pharaoh and his army at the Red Sea in 1513 B.C.E., Moses sang a song with the words: "Jehovah is a powerful warrior. Jehovah is his name......In your great majesty you can throw down those who rise up against you; You send out your burning anger, it eats them up like stubble."
Of Jehovah's "burning anger", it was rarely "a rescue operation", but rather is his judgment or justice rendered against those who opposed him (such as the nation of Egypt at Exodus 15:7), or rebelled against him, such as Jehovah's own people, the Israelites, who in less than three months after their release from Egyptian slavery, had murmured against Jehovah three times about water and food, and then created the false god of the golden calf.(Ex 15:22-25; 16:2-4; 17:1-4; 32:1-6)
At Exodus 32:7-10, Jehovah's angel told Moses while on Mt Sinai, that "your people, whom you led up out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves. They have quickly deviated from the way I commanded them to go. They have made for themselves a statue of a calf,"
"and they keep bowing down to it and sacrificing to it and saying, ‘This is your God, O Israel, who led you up out of the land of Egypt.’” Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “I have seen that this is an obstinate people. So now let me be,"
"and I will exterminate ("exterminate", Hebrew kalah, meaning "to end, to cease, be finished, perish, consume, make clean ridden, to destroy, exterminate") them in my burning anger ("burning anger", Hebrew charah, meaning "to blaze up, of anger, zeal, jealousy"), and let me make a great nation from you (Moses) instead.”
So, Jehovah's "burning anger" is sent against all who oppose him, abandon him without remorse, who push falsehoods "galore", such as Christendom, that pushes "the Holy Trinity", hell fire, immortality of the soul, the cross, purgatory, Christmas, Easter, birthdays, transubstantiation, immersion of the world of politics, a clergy-laity class, etc.
At Revelation 17:16, 17, it informs a sincere Bible reader of what Jehovah's "burning anger" will bring on the religions of the world called Babylon the Great (Rev 17:5), with Christendom a major part, saying: "And the ten horns (member nations of the United Nations) that you saw and the ("scarlet-colored") wild beast (the United Nations, Rev 17:3), these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked,"
"and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast (the United Nations as one composite body), until the words of God will have been accomplished."
Intellectual claptrap!
such lies. i read your book.
10 minutes of brain damage for sheep.
_"God is love. That's all God is,"_ said Barron of the God said to have killed nearly every human on earth horribly by drowning without warning, due to humans being exactly as an all-knowing god would've known they'd be. The cognitive dissonance, guys.
How morally bankrupt do you have to be to say that... wow.
Most religious people forfeited their morality a long time ago.
Bishop Barron is too intelligent to be using the anthropmorphizing of God portrayed in the Old Testament. Though it was appropriate for the magico-mythic mentality of Biblical times it is out of step with modern scholarship and today’s seminarians deserve better from their teachers. One of the single largest sources of atheism is what Thomas Merton called “stupid theism” like this.
You just called yourself stoopid!!! Sorry
Humans are allegedly gods creation.His designs is so flawed that he is constantly at war with himself wanting to punish us for his own manufacturing faults which are not even covered under warranty...lucky I think it is all made up anyway...amen
You are in so much pain and your reasoning is clouded with this pain.
If at first You don't succeed, try try again.Can't always be right!
Yahweh has one tool, murder.
Brilliant!!