2023 Honda HR-V | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2024
- This week we share our first impressions of the 2023 Honda HR-V. We discuss how the HR-V improved over the first generation model and why it feels more robust in comparison to competing small SUVs. Plus, we answer an audience question that compares an all-wheel drive Mazda 3 to the new Acura Integra.
SHOW NOTES:
0:00-10:39: 2023 Honda HR-V
10:39-18:08: Question: Which would you choose; the Mazda 3 AWD or the new Acura Integra?
LINKS:
Redesigned 2023 Honda HR-V Grows in Size and Sophistication: www.consumerreports.org/suvs/...
2022 Mazda 3: www.consumerreports.org/cars/...
2023 Acura Integra Tries to Recapture ‘80s and ‘90s Magic With Help of Civic Si: www.consumerreports.org/small...
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CR must pay well. You guys think that a $30k car is "affordable"
Ryan is back 😍😍
Seems nice. Needs an optional engine or hybrid for the upper trim levels though.
Yes, especially at $30k, considering that the Civic, built on the same platform, offers both (or soon will).
We just bought a 2023 hrv, awd. It’s quiet and really nice to drive. It has lots of really nice features. We got our cheaper than a Honda civic.
I own a 2022 HRV and I love it for what it is, a practical reliable vehicle. I average over 38 mpg. on my daily 86 mile round trip. I have used the magic seat a few times, however, the absence of that feature would not be a deal breaker. While the engine won’t break any land speed records, it’s more than adequate to keep up with traffic. I for one do not need a vehicle to go 0-60 under 5 seconds. CR, thanks for the informative and enjoyable video. Keep up the good work.
I had a Honda Fit and loved it’s size, versatility, and practicality. However, I’m not a fast driver, and I was frustrated on a daily basis with its lack of power. My daily commute involved an uphill freeway on-ramp, and it really strained to get up to speed to merge safely. The other problem, which is common to Hondas, was that the clear coat started peeling after three years which ultimately hurt the resale value.
Disagree with the Mazda controller comment. I’ve had multiple Mazdas now and you get used to it in a few hours, I have also driven different rentals on trips with touchscreen only interfaces and I will say Mazda’s system with the controller knob is way less distracting and falls right into reach without taking eyes off the road
Where do you get your cars at regular price level.
This new HR-V looks so much better, too.
I haven't watched a Talking Cars episode in quite a while, but have to comment that this is definitely the best lineup of "hosts." I'd been wondering about the new HR-V, with nearly every review pointing out its lack of power as a major negative. It seems to me that driving at elevations above sea level, carrying cargo or passengers, plus the extra 100+ pounds of AWD, could be a significant annoyance. Thanks for giving your perspective(s), especially in comparison to the Corolla Cross.
I own the Fit and the magic deat is an excellent feature. I have used this many times. I love my Fit and think that Honda made a mistake when they discontinued making this car. I never liked the HRV that wwas based on the Fit, but the new model seems great.
It’s not only insane that they discontinued the Fit, it’s outrageous they never gave us a Type R or at least an Si. I had 2009 sport for 12 years. Amazing little car.
Just lost my fit in an accident, completely devastated Honda doesn’t sell it in the US.
The HR-V may be a better car on paper, but it will never retain the fun character and nimbleness of the fit.
Love this HRV
Seems like the Mazda 3 Premium FWD 6MT is a better match for the Integra A-spec 6MT. For 2023 it comes with 191hp and it still costs $7,000 less than the Acura.
I've used that magic seat few times transporting tall plants
The Mazda 3 (non turbo) is available with a manual.
go with the hatch!!!
exl's are hard to find
To answer Alex's question, the first gen HR-V has the gas tank under the front seats below the floor pan (unlike most cars with the gas tank under the rear seat). The beam axle in the rear is to maximize the rear seat area with the bottom seat up.
I was in Thailand a couple months back and saw the HR-V there however, they were Hybrid and Electric! The first one I saw was electric and was very surprised they had EVs there but then I saw a couple of Tesla’s and MG EVs! The grill on the Thai Hybrid version looks way better than this one in the US. I agree with another poster that this looks like a Ford up front. I’m surprised they didn’t do a hybrid version for the US. The EV may not have the type of range we want in the US, so I can understand why they wouldn’t bring it here. I would say they didn’t want to be like Mazda with their EV.
Unloved? Not sure about that.
The infotainment setup is the only reason why I will choose the Acura Integra over Mazda 3. I need my touchscreen. That Mazda center control knob for the infotainment, will drive me insane. Plus, I like the fastback look on the Integra and it's roomy interior, than the cramped Mazda 3.
I had the magic seat on my Fit. I used it a few times. It was good for transporting floor plants. I think Honda is missing the boat by not offering this as a hybrid or plug in.
They did a survey and most of people are not using the magic seats.
Unless you can find one with 2wd, fuel economy is rather mediocre considering how slow it still is compared to some competitors that are similarly economical, less expensive, and more powerful. And, like every Honda I've looked at in the past 40 years, it is impossible to configure in a way that suits my needs and desires. If I have to compromise, I'll do it with something that doesn't sell for $2000 over an already exaggerated list price.
Wow, I think the old one was adequate in day to day usage and not too bad. No highway driving though which might skew the metrics. This new one seems roomy and I think the interior will be easy to live with. I am slowly getting used to those tacked on screens in the center of the dashboard. Ugh!
I used to hate them, too. But now they're ok, as long as they don't look like a tablet struck to the dash with chewing gum. Or the Corolla's, which is too big for the car.
13:58 cam down bro 😂
I own a 2016 HR-V and previously owned a 2009 Honda Fit. Yea, the cargo configurations were a consideration for me since I like driving small, fuel-efficient vehicles. And I'm not one to push a car and need a lot of power. So if I were to get a 2023 HR-V, I most definitely will miss the magic seats and am disappointed they won't be offered. The magic seats were easy to use - could flip one up with one hand while holding grocery bags with the other (when my rear storage was full) so I could place several bags on the 2nd row floor. And I liked how low and near-flat the rear seats folded down to. This is a miss for me - and I might consider other manufacturers. But since I've only purchased new Honda's/Acura's since 1983 I will probably return to a Honda product because they just always feel like wearing a good-fitting glove.
While everyone loved the idea of the "magic seat" feature - from what I've read, very few HR-V owners actually made use of it.
The HRV and the Fit that preceded it were Honda's smallest offerings and naturally this class differs from larger cars in many ways. I accept these characteristics in a small car, and it does not bother me one bit. As you can see by differing opinions I am not alone in my preferences. Unfortunately, even though Honda has several larger classes of vehicles they have now completely abandoned the subcompact class. My upper limit for overall length is going to match that of my 2022 HRV (170 inches), even if I have to look to another manufacturer when I next need to purchase a small car.
Given the price difference between the HRV LX and the CRV EX(which is the lowest trim level to get variable wipers), that $5k+ can buy a lot of gas. I'll take a little less power over the CRVs two mpg better around town and on the highway.
I'll take the slow-but-reliable port-injection 2.0 & compensate its acceleration with manual transmission on the “wide rear visibility” sedan-body new Civic. But such combo doesn't exist. The Corolla SE sedan offers this combination, but Car&Driver can't stand its lack of steering feel.
& forget about the newer Torsion-beam Mazda's not related to the Focus suspension.
I heard it’s underwhelming performance and is dangerously slow when trying to enter the highway or emergency situations. I guess people gotta try it. It’s a non-starter for me with a CVT.
How was the seat comfort? Also, does the lack of rear AC vents affect your impressions on the HRV over its competitors?
Lack of cup holders too except on the door in the rear which aren’t that big is a interesting omission to me and even a single USB port or 12 volt could have been included.
You guys are really trying hard to muster any real enthusiasm for this vehicle.
I have a 2016 Honda hrv and love it. You missed the value of the magic seats. Honda should have kept them in the USA version especially since they kept them in the European version
I have a 2020 HRV Sport and this looks better in every way. However, with the new Civic engine this vehicle is still underpowered.
Maybe instead of reading out loud crediting who produced and edited the episode you can have it in text under the CR subscribe thing at the end. Of course no biggie to read it aloud but it kinda messes with the ending flow of the episode as we're not used to hearing it being said. Perhaps we can get more questions in each episode like before. Just some feedback but I appreciate CR!
Maybe they want this to be audio-only podcast "ready" so it must be read aloud.
Team CR, How is this possible? Honda got so many things right with the new HR-V like decent handling and ride quality through an upgraded (IRS) as well as maintaining exceptional space efficiency. Then they completely blew the powertrain with the 2.0 CVT combination that manages to be under-powered and inefficient. In other words, they made the same powertrain blunder Toyota made with the Corolla Cross. 🤨 On the subject of Independent Rear Suspension, I hope Mazda subscribes to your channel 😉
They had to do something to avoid cannibalizing their crv considering they're both on the civic platform now
Does the Acura Integra have the same 1.5 turbo engine that CR reported the oil dilution problem with Civic and CR-V?
I don’t own or drive a Honda 1.5 t engine but to be fair the oil dilution issues with these engines has taken on a life of its own. There are hundreds of thousands Honda (and now Acura) cars on the roads fitted with the 1.5t. Therefore the road sides should be littered with broken down Hondas with engine failures. This is just not the case. Honda issued a software fix for the first generation of the 1.5t and I’m sure they tweaked the engineering in subsequent versions. The fact is all small displacement turbo charged DI engines will suffer from some degree of oil dilution regardless of the manufacture. If there is a car brand that I would worry about engine issues it would be Hyundai / Kia. My 2016 Kia engine suffered catastrophic engine failure at 70k …
This car, with a regular transmission and around 200 hp would be unstoppable. But it's just too expensive for a loud cvt with 158 hp, compared with other cars merging with this thing onto the highway is just dangerous, and for a cvt the mpg isn't good.
He's a cutie on the right, Alex? 158 HP? My current SUV is well over 400 HP!
Anybody going to mention fuel economy?
Thank you
mazada 3 is extremely tight and cluster phobic and somewhat loud. mazada 3 sounds really good on paper but test drive it first.
I test drove one, ended up buying a CX-30 turbo instead. Handles a little worse but it's a lot roomier inside.
As I recall, when it came out, the reviews said it wasn't as good as the previous one.
Where it had always fared well in comparison tests, it dropped a couple of levels.
Tthe front is like its a ford product.......the UK version is more beautiful
The UK version is called ZR-V (which looks the same as ours), while their new “true” H-RV is still based on the Fit platform (therefore with the Magic rear seat) without Civic's multi-link independent rear suspension. We no longer got the real H-RV anymore.
First of all, the HRV has been around in other markets since 1999. The Fit based model wasn't the first generation. Second, this new one misses the mark so bad for me as an owner of the Fit based version (a 2018) si ply because it no longer is trying to be what it was restarted in America as: a spacious, economical small family crossover. This new version nowhere near as good for urban areas and tries to be style over function, something the previous generation had in reverse
Where I'm from it's called a Vezel, the minority are HRVs. Practically every other person owns one. 2013 + models Ppl love it, so roomy and spacious, use the magic seats all the time, and the backseats lay completely flat and the front seat can lower as well, we've transported some crazy things in this car. Also the fuel efficiency. I'm shocked to hear this is a "little loved " car at least in the US.
Sounds like Honda still can't match Subaru's Crosstrek from this discussion which gets the same gas mileage, same money, and a much better car. I personally like the Mazda better, for the AWD on my mountain with snow every winter. FWD does not cut it. Only AWD. So will consider that eventually to replace a 2013 Subaru Legacy with 126,000 (when I get to 200,000 in a few years).
Love the new HR-V.
I love the spec sheet... But the design is bland as wonderbread😑
The interior does look nice and that traditional shifter! Thank you Honda! Why couldn't Acura done the same with most of their lineup instead of that push button stuff?
Get the Acura and spend another $1000 for a Hondata tune
I expect better from Consumer Reports people complaing about "under powered" the reason that cars get such crummy gas mileage is people like you constantly pushing faster acceleration
Well said! May I also suggest adding those that push unnecessarily larger vehicles than the rest of the world manages to live with. Honda no longer offers any vehicle with an exterior size and weight typically found in a subcompact car. This also negatively affects gas mileage.
Corolla cross has adjustable lumbar on highest trim, rear vents, better mpg and is quicker. Honda messed up.
Yes, when your new model is even slower than the Corolla Cross, you really messed up .
@@rightlanehog3151 Haha yes, usually it's the other way around
Toyota's powertrain retains port injection while adding direct injection on a non-turbo system, therefore wins in both power and economy without sacrificing longevity/reliability (comparing to Honda's 2.0 NA).
I own the earlier model 2022 HRV and have been a Quality Assurance Test Engineer and auto enthusiast my entire life, including owning a classic Dodge Charger and a Corvette. In my opinion the harsh criticism of the earlier HRV model is unjustified. There is absolutely nothing "tinny" or "obnoxious" about it. Everyone has their own opinion and I respectfully disagree. The earlier model was way more ingeniously packaged while the 2023 is just another run of the mill crossover. Just look at the wasted space in front of the engine. If I had wanted a less nimble car having the overall length and cost of the CRV I would have purchased the CRV. Also, forget about the power-to-weight ratio argument and show me the 0-60 time for this new model (AWD & FWD). Every online acceleration test I have seen thus far indicates there was zero improvement, and in fact lowered mpg. On and off over the last few decades Consumer Reports has been my trusted source for data driven facts-based truth. In the new world I can now scour the internet, find equally qualified commenters, and make my own judgements. Therefore, two more CR issues coming in the mail, and I'm finally done.
I hope they read you comment.
A+++
Completely agree
Like the Fit it was based on, the earlier HR-V was noisy, underpowered, had poor seat comfort, and a choppy ride. That's annoying-enough for me to avoid, especially with pricing nearing $30k for higher-trim versions. The new Civic platform for the '23 is significantly more substantial (when it comes to actual driving, rather than transporting tall, potted plants).
Why has Honda produced 2 HRVs !?!? One for Europe and one for North America ?!? Very Confusing ?!? Really !!!!
You guys crack me up. I have a 2016 LX HRV. It's a very good vehicle. Power is fine, handles fine and it was $21,300! Where do you guys drive, Daytona speedway?! I'm sure the 2023 HRV is improved, I would hope so but the 2016 to 2022 HRV is a good vehicle for the price in my humble opinion :-)
Completely agree, we are very happy with our 2022 LX. Added seat gap filler pockets to improve on storage space but otherwise it completely meets our needs. Underneath the rear Magic Seats is a great place to temporarily stash hidden valuables.
The old HRV is dangerously slow. You are lucky you haven’t been hit. Good luck blending into 80 mph traffic with a short ramp.
My 2wd HRV has no issue merging at speed. I have owned much slower cars in my lifetime. But I’ll admit it’s fun to get on the freeway in my Corvette. But the Vette only gets decent gas mileage if I drive it like the HRV.
2022 Escape in the front, 2022 GLC in the back.
I fully expect that these CR employees went straight to the mouth wash, after they recommended the Honda HR-v, or did they recommend it?
CR has been beating up Honda, before they get a Honda to test, since 2006.
The old hrv was is great. People who own it luv it.you all might be missing a point
People have wildly different ideas of what makes good car ownership. That’s fine, they can buy something else while I get up to 38 mpg highway with my 2022 HRV. Just wish Honda would not have caved to those who try to force their preferences on others who just want basic, reliable, economical transportation.
Ryan’s bad (no, terrible) sound makes good video look bad. (Another microphone input selection failure/error?) Please always make a test recording and check it before start your presentations.
My thoughts exactly
It has a mouth like the Ford Escape
Dodge Hornet
Alright already, first of all if it has a cvt then it's junk. No car with a cvt should even be tested. Secondly. 150hp ?? Why? No 2023 car should have less then a buck80. Go away with the marlarky.
If cars having CVT transmissions were routinely disqualified from testing, that would pretty much knock out most of todays small cars.
Good review, but can we all please stop calling the 2023 HRV a sub-compact? It’s as big or bigger than some compact SUVs from just five years ago, like the previous generation Hyundai Tucson, Kia Sportage, VW Tiguan, etc.
It is properly described as being on the small end of the compact SUV segment.
And while I’m on my rant, we shouldn’t call the 2023 CRV, the current generation Tiguan, or the CX-50 compact SUVs. Those are mid-size SUVs. And a VW Atlas or a Chevy Traverse are not mid-size SUVs, they are large SUVs.
OK, rant over.
looks *suspicously* like the Porsche Cayenne..
It's one of the ugly design from Honda
Lol... plain simple, a boring nothing burger car