Man, I don't think I've ever seen a Harley dealer with designated Demo bikes - it's always, "You wanna ride this one? I'll get the keys and put a plate on it!" As for the prices on the bikes... I haven't been in a dealership in months, but the one closest to me had 'em. I'll have to check again.
Yeah I guess they rather just put miles on one model in stead of all in that model. I mean at the end of the day the prices don’t change no matter how many demo miles a new bike has on it, they still try to kill you with the fees. As for the prices being removed. I noticed this happened everywhere now. I don’t know what the deal is. Is it a way to jack up the prices on unsuspecting buyers or have you constantly asking a salesman what’s the price of this one, that one, the other one. You can’t just walk in and look at prices and make a decision based on that 🧐🤷🏼♂️
@@AkaBull It's for all those reasons - especially the price one. I'm surprised the m/c dealers don't have to put Monroney stickers on each bike like cars do.
@@RoadReality You know John, I think there should be a law stating all dealership should have to put stickers prices on new vehicles. And this is coming from a person who hates Government intervention.
@@AkaBull Right? They have it for cars & trucks, why not bikes? They're titled & registered & licensed... why not? It could cut down on the price gouging we're always hearing about.
This is the perfect example of why knowledge is power. Before you even going to a dealership, do the research. Because they're going to try to take every single dollar out of your pocket. Know the price and the market. I'm going to pull the trigger and buy a Lowrider S or ST. I'm just waiting for January/February to do it. My money is just too valuable to blow it on emotion. People go in, not knowing the price and just take the dealers word for it. I think that's just insane. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
You are 100% correct, it's always good to do your research first before attempting to buy any vehicle, car or bike. That way go in at least knowing the price range and not be taken for a "ride". Unfortunately a lot of people don't this, they just walk in and a salesman talks them into dropping, in some cases 2-4 thousands over MSRP, sometimes more 🤷🏽♂️. Sorry to disappoint Whitebelt, my next video is a vlog about filming yourself in public, for motovloggers. Certainly not as interesting as this one lol. But I do appreciate you 💯
The one I work at, we put prices on a little label on the headlight. If every bike said $XX,XXX in big writing then people walk by and think to themselves that they can’t afford it. The idea is to start a conversation and show people that it is affordable and see what their trades worth etc. Every dealer is different though.
I think most people who walk into a dealership have a basic understanding of the prices. I think into today’s climate it’s rare to convince someone to spend thousands of dollars on a bike they can’t afford. I’m not saying it’s not possible, I’m saying I think it’s rare. In my humble opinion, when people don’t see a price on a vehicle, they think Jesus how hard am I going to get fcked now.
I've stopped at Pocono Harley before. They have ZERO prices on their bikes. Then the first RG/SG st's came out i asked how much they were and i got a price "range" but they were like $5-10K over MSRP
They don’t put prices on bikes because they have added on accessories, stage tunes etc. Then they can manipulate the price to suit the profit they want. Also, they don’t put prices on bikes so you have to interact with a sales person and they can talk you into buying it.
People have been buying cars and bikes for years, there is absolutely no reason now to take the prices off just so we have to interact with salesman. If we are going to buy something that’s what we’ll do. As for added aftermarket parts. They can still show that too, it’s just ridiculous to me I guess.
Very indepth reporting very interesting stuff 👏 I hadn't noticed it until you mentioned it but now I'm like wow😢 that's kinda deceitful practices. Thanks for keeping us informed. Excellent video, 🍻 brother Bull
Motorcycle dealerships, like car dealerships, have gone the way of hiding listed pricing on bikes to maximize profits. Most customers coming in have no idea what the listed price of the bike is, and by the time a sales person presents numbers, that might be hundred or thousands higher. This decision is made on the GM level, and may have instruction from the owner or ownership group to do so since profits from sales have very slim margins. That's why they try to hit you up for all the extras on the sales floor. This "not showing pricing" is something that really became a thing during covid in the auto industry, and has carried over the rest of the motorsport marketplaces. So hiding pricing is nothing new. In some states, addendums are required to show pricing of items added on by the dealership. on Bikes this will be a small laminated pouch on the bike somewhere. THAT may have a final price. SO... when you go shopping... look online first and then print the listed price on the bike you are interested in and bring it with you. In most states there are laws that prohibit dealers from stating a selling price different from the one that is listed online.
You are one hundred percent correct, this started back in 2019 with the car dealerships and made it’s way onto the motorcycle market. I also will encourage people looking at new bikes to print the price off the manufacturer’s website and take that with them. It’s sad what these dealerships are doing to unsuspecting customers.
I hear that, yeah I spoke to a few people and they really like that model bike and they are holding out for a used one. You should try buying a used one with low miles. Good luck brother 🙏🏽
Jesus, but why? I don’t understand why they are doing this. Is it to get you to ask a salesman the price or to jack the prices on unsuspecting buyers? 🤷🏽♂️
In 2017 one of my local dealerships that I bought my bike from put the cost on their website, checked it now and they don't. Couple years ago it was still up, but the cost of the was up like $9k more than when I bought in 2017. Huge increase. Guess costs have gone up so much they are afraid to even let you see them in store now. Harley definitely has forgotten who their core market is. I properly maintain my 2017 so I guess I'll be holding on to that and just get it repainted to fix the rock chips and scratches.
Yup, the prices have surly skyrocketed, and us in the middle class are being priced out of the bikes. I can’t say for sure, but I believe we are the main bread and butter for Harley sales. Well there is more of us than the rich, that’s obvious, so why price us out, I don’t get it 🤷🏽♂️
The price of new bikes haven't really changed. When I first looked at bikes I saw that HD dealers seemed to not have pricing. When I bought a few bikes one of them told me that more people come in when prices aren't listed....but the MSRP is on HD's website, so it's not a secret.
The only reason to hide the price is to rip people off. Harley’s biggest problem is its dealers jacking up prices. The solution is online sales for MSRP right from the MoCo but they don’t have the balls to do it.
I feel you brother 🙏🏽 the fact that these dealership are doing this is very concerning. I really don’t think we have any recourse at all. All we can do is shop elsewhere or bend over and take it🤷🏽♂️
Dude I totally get you. But some people out here have money long as train smoke and feel the need to show it with these bikes 🤷🏽♂️. However, to each his own 🧐
I went looking for a new bike and was sat down in a chair even before I could sit on a bike. Super high pressure even though I said I wasn't buying just looking, things have changed.
That’s weird, I guess it depends on the type of bike, sport bike or cruiser. I’ve never had that problem at a Harley dealership, they always what you to sit on the bikes because they want you to leave with one lol. I’m sorry you had to experience that, that sucks.
walked into a Harley dealership in 1994 with cash in pocket to buy a Harley. the sales person gave me the run around and acted like I wasn't the type of person to ride a Harley. I have owned many bikes since and have 5 currently, none are Harley's.. Sad part is, for a cruise bike I like a Harley just will never buy one because the subculture from sales to the people it attracts
Mark, I’m so sorry to hear of your bad experience. Fortunately, a lot has changed since then, the culture has came around, and not all, but many of the salesman are more inclusive now. However, the bikes are still way over priced and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better. But this America and we still have options, say it with me. Indian. lol 😂
Well at least not what they are charging right now, the prices are getting ridiculous. And the dealership aren’t making it any better with the added fees.
@@AkaBull one of the dealerships near me here on Long Island changed hands several times then went out of business, the dealership attitudes here in several places were "we are the only game in town thats why you are going to pay 1000's extra". I heard this from numerous different sources
Yeah, I would show them, I'd make it a point to jump online find a dealership anywhere else to get my bike. Then go to them and ask the price of a 500 mile service. Oh, you have a new bike, where did you get it? Well not here, your prices are too high. Lol 🤣🤣
So Pocono HD has been awful for years, Williams is ok never got a bike from them but got some clothes. Keystone is close to me and i don’t care for them. Overpriced everything. Schaffer’s is good people. I have purchased 2 bikes from them no issues. Sven is the best does not hound you or pressure you to buy a bike. There service dept is reasonable and Johnny is great. Unlike the other 3 dealers people at Schaffers remember you. Freedom valley used to be great but they just got to big and lost the vibe the once had
Dude, everything you just said is on point. When I was buying my first Harley I went to Keystone and the price they quoted me was ridiculously high, I ended up going to Pocono. And yes the folks at Schaeffer’s are very very friendly and welcoming and weren’t pushy at all. Over all tho, Harley prices are get out of the reach of the middle class for sure. I paid $18,00 before fees for my low rider, now it’s $21,999 before fees. And yes I understand inflation but still, man it’s getting crazy out here.
@@AkaBull same thing with cars. They are getting crazy over the past few years. Hopefully we will start to see more discounts and better financing options sooner then later
@everette818 I’m with you on that. The word on the street is, pricing is going to come down on Truck and housing, only time will tell if that’s true 🤷🏽♂️
Stop giving dealerships your business when it come to purchasing a bike, as doing so is really really stupid considering your options elsewhere at radically better prices.
@@AkaBull We always have other options available. The best thing consumers could do for Harley dealerships would be to not buy one single motorcycle from any one of them for 2 or 3 years. Things would change in favor of the consumer.
@kennethnealKOGE Damn not buying for 3 years may surely put a lot of people out of work. Right now the turnover for salesman at my two local dealerships is pretty high. I swear every time I go in I see new faces. But you do make a valid point, if we want change we can’t just complain on the internet, we have to invoke change. Vote with our dollars.
When there’s no price tag get ready to get gouged… go to a mom and Pop dealership where they still hang the price tags on the motorcycles !!! Pocono Harley Davison on six other dealerships during Covid, they were really ripping people off
Yeah this dealership has like a bikes just for test ride the front of the store, which is pretty cool, if you buy a bike from them chances are you'll be the first to ride it.
I Will never buy one of these over engineered over Priced over computerized half Chinese Harleys ! My Newest one is an 07 ! They are Clueless and too expensive , Hence no Prices !
@@freebird3190 lol your aren’t wrong. I think the next best option tho is Indian and you get way more features for the price you pay. I’m not knowing Harley tho, they make a nice bike, just the prices are getting unrealistic. Then you have the dealership in there adding on the extra fees.
Man, I don't think I've ever seen a Harley dealer with designated Demo bikes - it's always, "You wanna ride this one? I'll get the keys and put a plate on it!"
As for the prices on the bikes... I haven't been in a dealership in months, but the one closest to me had 'em. I'll have to check again.
Yeah I guess they rather just put miles on one model in stead of all in that model. I mean at the end of the day the prices don’t change no matter how many demo miles a new bike has on it, they still try to kill you with the fees.
As for the prices being removed. I noticed this happened everywhere now. I don’t know what the deal is. Is it a way to jack up the prices on unsuspecting buyers or have you constantly asking a salesman what’s the price of this one, that one, the other one. You can’t just walk in and look at prices and make a decision based on that 🧐🤷🏼♂️
@@AkaBull It's for all those reasons - especially the price one. I'm surprised the m/c dealers don't have to put Monroney stickers on each bike like cars do.
@@RoadReality You know John, I think there should be a law stating all dealership should have to put stickers prices on new vehicles. And this is coming from a person who hates Government intervention.
@@AkaBull Right? They have it for cars & trucks, why not bikes? They're titled & registered & licensed... why not? It could cut down on the price gouging we're always hearing about.
@RoadReality Dude I agree 💯 lol.
This is the perfect example of why knowledge is power. Before you even going to a dealership, do the research. Because they're going to try to take every single dollar out of your pocket. Know the price and the market. I'm going to pull the trigger and buy a Lowrider S or ST. I'm just waiting for January/February to do it. My money is just too valuable to blow it on emotion. People go in, not knowing the price and just take the dealers word for it. I think that's just insane. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
You are 100% correct, it's always good to do your research first before attempting to buy any vehicle, car or bike. That way go in at least knowing the price range and not be taken for a "ride". Unfortunately a lot of people don't this, they just walk in and a salesman talks them into dropping, in some cases 2-4 thousands over MSRP, sometimes more 🤷🏽♂️.
Sorry to disappoint Whitebelt, my next video is a vlog about filming yourself in public, for motovloggers. Certainly not as interesting as this one lol. But I do appreciate you 💯
The one I work at, we put prices on a little label on the headlight. If every bike said $XX,XXX in big writing then people walk by and think to themselves that they can’t afford it. The idea is to start a conversation and show people that it is affordable and see what their trades worth etc. Every dealer is different though.
I think most people who walk into a dealership have a basic understanding of the prices. I think into today’s climate it’s rare to convince someone to spend thousands of dollars on a bike they can’t afford. I’m not saying it’s not possible, I’m saying I think it’s rare.
In my humble opinion, when people don’t see a price on a vehicle, they think Jesus how hard am I going to get fcked now.
I've stopped at Pocono Harley before. They have ZERO prices on their bikes. Then the first RG/SG st's came out i asked how much they were and i got a price "range" but they were like $5-10K over MSRP
Jesus, and if you didn’t already know the msrp you would be like, that seems fare lol.
They don’t put prices on bikes because they have added on accessories, stage tunes etc.
Then they can manipulate the price to suit the profit they want.
Also, they don’t put prices on bikes so you have to interact with a sales person and they can talk you into buying it.
People have been buying cars and bikes for years, there is absolutely no reason now to take the prices off just so we have to interact with salesman. If we are going to buy something that’s what we’ll do. As for added aftermarket parts. They can still show that too, it’s just ridiculous to me I guess.
Very indepth reporting very interesting stuff 👏 I hadn't noticed it until you mentioned it but now I'm like wow😢 that's kinda deceitful practices. Thanks for keeping us informed. Excellent video, 🍻 brother Bull
Yeah we have to keep an eye out on these dealership, all of them.. Thanks Bleeky, be safe out there brother 💯🙏🏽🙏🏽
Motorcycle dealerships, like car dealerships, have gone the way of hiding listed pricing on bikes to maximize profits. Most customers coming in have no idea what the listed price of the bike is, and by the time a sales person presents numbers, that might be hundred or thousands higher. This decision is made on the GM level, and may have instruction from the owner or ownership group to do so since profits from sales have very slim margins. That's why they try to hit you up for all the extras on the sales floor. This "not showing pricing" is something that really became a thing during covid in the auto industry, and has carried over the rest of the motorsport marketplaces. So hiding pricing is nothing new. In some states, addendums are required to show pricing of items added on by the dealership. on Bikes this will be a small laminated pouch on the bike somewhere. THAT may have a final price. SO... when you go shopping... look online first and then print the listed price on the bike you are interested in and bring it with you. In most states there are laws that prohibit dealers from stating a selling price different from the one that is listed online.
You are one hundred percent correct, this started back in 2019 with the car dealerships and made it’s way onto the motorcycle market. I also will encourage people looking at new bikes to print the price off the manufacturer’s website and take that with them. It’s sad what these dealerships are doing to unsuspecting customers.
Maryland has the prices... They discontinued my bike lateral Fatbob so in no rush to buy a new one as I still prefer it's look.
I hear that, yeah I spoke to a few people and they really like that model bike and they are holding out for a used one. You should try buying a used one with low miles. Good luck brother 🙏🏽
When our local HD dealership went under new. management the prices came off all of them
Jesus, but why? I don’t understand why they are doing this. Is it to get you to ask a salesman the price or to jack the prices on unsuspecting buyers? 🤷🏽♂️
@@AkaBull Jack the prices.
🤷🏽♂️
In 2017 one of my local dealerships that I bought my bike from put the cost on their website, checked it now and they don't. Couple years ago it was still up, but the cost of the was up like $9k more than when I bought in 2017. Huge increase. Guess costs have gone up so much they are afraid to even let you see them in store now. Harley definitely has forgotten who their core market is. I properly maintain my 2017 so I guess I'll be holding on to that and just get it repainted to fix the rock chips and scratches.
Yup, the prices have surly skyrocketed, and us in the middle class are being priced out of the bikes. I can’t say for sure, but I believe we are the main bread and butter for Harley sales. Well there is more of us than the rich, that’s obvious, so why price us out, I don’t get it 🤷🏽♂️
The price of new bikes haven't really changed. When I first looked at bikes I saw that HD dealers seemed to not have pricing. When I bought a few bikes one of them told me that more people come in when prices aren't listed....but the MSRP is on HD's website, so it's not a secret.
The two dealers near me(South Florida) do not put the price on the bikes. Their websites say "Call for Quote".
That sucks, what’s so hard about putting the price on the bikes 🤷🏽♂️
That's a bad move in my opinion when I see that I assume they are asking too much and move on
@@awad7391 💯🙏🏽
The only reason to hide the price is to rip people off. Harley’s biggest problem is its dealers jacking up prices. The solution is online sales for MSRP right from the MoCo but they don’t have the balls to do it.
I feel you brother 🙏🏽 the fact that these dealership are doing this is very concerning. I really don’t think we have any recourse at all. All we can do is shop elsewhere or bend over and take it🤷🏽♂️
I saw one tag that said $31,000.00. I’m not sure why any motorcycle would cost $31k. Not sure why anyone would pay $31k for a bike.
Dude I totally get you. But some people out here have money long as train smoke and feel the need to show it with these bikes 🤷🏽♂️. However, to each his own 🧐
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The dealer by me does the same thing. Prices on the used not the new ones.
Also … is that a Bajan accent I hear?
Well I guess many are doing that now.
Yes Sir, Baje all day lol.
Alright Bajee! Good to see a countryman on two wheels. Will follow your videos.
lol thanks brother, much appreciated 🙏🏽
I went looking for a new bike and was sat down in a chair even before I could sit on a bike. Super high pressure even though I said I wasn't buying just looking, things have changed.
That’s weird, I guess it depends on the type of bike, sport bike or cruiser. I’ve never had that problem at a Harley dealership, they always what you to sit on the bikes because they want you to leave with one lol. I’m sorry you had to experience that, that sucks.
walked into a Harley dealership in 1994 with cash in pocket to buy a Harley. the sales person gave me the run around and acted like I wasn't the type of person to ride a Harley. I have owned many bikes since and have 5 currently, none are Harley's.. Sad part is, for a cruise bike I like a Harley just will never buy one because the subculture from sales to the people it attracts
Mark, I’m so sorry to hear of your bad experience. Fortunately, a lot has changed since then, the culture has came around, and not all, but many of the salesman are more inclusive now. However, the bikes are still way over priced and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better. But this America and we still have options, say it with me. Indian. lol 😂
Went to an indian and triumph dealer no prices. I think they want to force you to ask sales so thry can convince you is my quess.
Or they’ll tell you they need to run your credit before they give the price 🤣🤣🤣. No idea why they are doing this, and it’s very inconvenient.
simply put HD isnt worth the $$$$$$
Well at least not what they are charging right now, the prices are getting ridiculous. And the dealership aren’t making it any better with the added fees.
@@AkaBull one of the dealerships near me here on Long Island changed hands several times then went out of business, the dealership attitudes here in several places were "we are the only game in town thats why you are going to pay 1000's extra". I heard this from numerous different sources
Yeah, I would show them, I'd make it a point to jump online find a dealership anywhere else to get my bike. Then go to them and ask the price of a 500 mile service. Oh, you have a new bike, where did you get it? Well not here, your prices are too high. Lol 🤣🤣
@@AkaBull rofl
@@ericarachel55 I know, I know, I can’t be a little petty 🤣🤣🤣
“If you gotta ask about the prices, you can’t afford it” - stealerships
🤣🤣🤣 You aren’t wrong. But still I believe the Harley prices are getting ridiculously high. They are pricing out the middle class for sure.
So Pocono HD has been awful for years, Williams is ok never got a bike from them but got some clothes. Keystone is close to me and i don’t care for them. Overpriced everything. Schaffer’s is good people. I have purchased 2 bikes from them no issues. Sven is the best does not hound you or pressure you to buy a bike. There service dept is reasonable and Johnny is great. Unlike the other 3 dealers people at Schaffers remember you. Freedom valley used to be great but they just got to big and lost the vibe the once had
Dude, everything you just said is on point. When I was buying my first Harley I went to Keystone and the price they quoted me was ridiculously high, I ended up going to Pocono. And yes the folks at Schaeffer’s are very very friendly and welcoming and weren’t pushy at all. Over all tho, Harley prices are get out of the reach of the middle class for sure. I paid $18,00 before fees for my low rider, now it’s $21,999 before fees. And yes I understand inflation but still, man it’s getting crazy out here.
@@AkaBull same thing with cars. They are getting crazy over the past few years. Hopefully we will start to see more discounts and better financing options sooner then later
@everette818 I’m with you on that. The word on the street is, pricing is going to come down on Truck and housing, only time will tell if that’s true 🤷🏽♂️
It's 100% illegal to not have the monroney on a car...not sure what earth you live on. Maybe some used sled lot.
I never said it was legal or illegal for car dealership to put the prices on. Not sure what’s wrong with your hearing.
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Stop giving dealerships your business when it come to purchasing a bike, as doing so is really really stupid considering your options elsewhere at radically better prices.
I agree with 💯 we are only rewarding bad behavior. However, sometimes we have no other options available 🤷🏽♂️
@@AkaBull We always have choices.
@@AkaBull We always have other options available. The best thing consumers could do for Harley dealerships would be to not buy one single motorcycle from any one of them for 2 or 3 years. Things would change in favor of the consumer.
@kennethnealKOGE Damn not buying for 3 years may surely put a lot of people out of work. Right now the turnover for salesman at my two local dealerships is pretty high. I swear every time I go in I see new faces.
But you do make a valid point, if we want change we can’t just complain on the internet, we have to invoke change. Vote with our dollars.
When there’s no price tag get ready to get gouged… go to a mom and Pop dealership where they still hang the price tags on the motorcycles !!! Pocono Harley Davison on six other dealerships during Covid, they were really ripping people off
Wow, they have demo bikes 🤔
Yeah this dealership has like a bikes just for test ride the front of the store, which is pretty cool, if you buy a bike from them chances are you'll be the first to ride it.
I Will never buy one of these over engineered over Priced over computerized half Chinese Harleys ! My Newest one is an 07 ! They are Clueless and too expensive , Hence no Prices !
@@freebird3190 lol your aren’t wrong. I think the next best option tho is Indian and you get way more features for the price you pay. I’m not knowing Harley tho, they make a nice bike, just the prices are getting unrealistic. Then you have the dealership in there adding on the extra fees.