The RANN-THANAGAR WAR: Explained (Justice League Unlimited Movie)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- Ever since a Rann-Thanagar War was alluded to in "Justice League vs the Fatal Five," we've been wondering...what the heck would that look like in the DC Animated Universe? And could it work as the next DCAU movie?
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Yes, I’m aware Hawkgirl couldn’t die until she gives birth to Warhawk. The war could last years and years, Warhawk is born, then she dies. This has been your friendly pinned comment.
Oof. Sorry to have necessitated a pinned comment :(
So the movie would take place over the course of multiple years, then?
I would squeeze Flash, Supergirl, and Batgirl into the story but you could switch Batgirl out with Catwoman or Black Canary if her appearance contradicts the time line, I just think having a street level hero would diversify the roster a bit and also scratch a couple of key characters off of the “where the hell are they?” list.
I was thinking about warhawk the whole time you're talking 😂 You gave a great synopsis though!!
Oh foowy I was just about to ask that :(
If I were to write my own version of the movie, it would feature Mr Wing ending the war through his sheer diplomacy and charm. He would be revered as a god by both peoples.
*clicks tongue* noice
Then some years after this theoretical movie we could get Justice League: Apocalypse of 09 :D
I second that!!!!
Vixen dies, not Hawkgirl. That wakes up both sides who can see that humans came to help them both with a Thanagarian and a man whose family is on Rann and that they're not afraid to risk their lives to fight the Dominators. When the fight is over they try to retrieve Vixen's body but it's gone. Later in a mid-credits scene, we see some Dominators examine Vixen's body when she opens her eyes. The post-credits scene showing Shayera nursing a baby Warhawk with John, fade to black - "to be continued"...
Adam Strange: The guy you call when Flash Gordon can't always save everyone of us.
Hal Jordan could show up in this potential movie🥳
Oh my god bro
That was be absolutely terrific
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I hope you are right
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I think it was just where is everyone there doing something else. Lots of stuff is happening all the time..honestly I want to see what highfather does now that dark side is dead.is he just rule of the universe without him
Perfect opportunity to finally introduce him properly.
No
It would be nice to have nathan phillian to voice him.
Okay, I laughed a little too hard at the Melissa Joan Hart title card
Found this channel pretty recently and I’m hyped there’s so much effort going in to just talking about this content. Any continuation of HG/GL is my fangirl dream.
Tell ya friendz!
22:48 If Shayera dies, how would we get Warhawk in Beyond?
She could die years and years into the war, or ya know, there’s always “Batman Beyond is just a possible future”... 😉
@@dcauwatchtower didn’t you make a whole video on how it isn’t an alternate future?
Winky face mean me do a joke
@@dcauwatchtower still no answer from Dan RIBA yet?
she better not die
Holy crap! Finally a classic Watchtower Database video!
I just finished watching the Adam Strange DC Showcase short.
There's a new one? Which movie did it come with?
@@bryzantine1571 Death in the Family.
We need more DCAU, hopefully this movie does end up getting made. I’m also hoping we can get another series maybe a Titans animated series with Nightwing, Starfire, Robin(Tim), Cyborg, Aqualad(Garth), Beast Boy, Raven, Troia(Donna Troy), Speedy, I think that would be great and it could feature Batgirl and Batman in it in the first few episodes to show Tim being recruited by Nightwing maybe and we can be introduced to the Titans at the same time Tim is and maybe Static can join later on down the line or something
I would love this idea and to tie both films (Fatal Five and Rann-Thannagar War) stories together in a follow up film we all have wanted for a while: JUSTICE LEAGUE REUNION!!! Make it happen DC!!
And now they missed their chance...
Thanks, DC! 😡
I wish I could've been here earlier as a Patron, but I'm fresh out of money atm. Nuts.
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Ha same.
I would love to see this movie. The Infinite Crisis tie-ins are really underrated, especially Rann Thanagar War and Day Of Vengeance
Id like to see a film in the DCAU where it focuses on Superman earning back the people's trust after Superman:TAS Legacy Part 2 knowing they could make a good film or better yet season of Superman:TAS that focuses on that issue when we know Superman mentions he worked hard to earn the people's trust over the years between his show and Justice League pilot episode.
I still think the JLReunion movie should take place after the “Return of The Joker” flashback with hints of Wonderbat here and there
JL Reunion and Near Apocalypse of 09 are one and the same
@@maxalaintwo3578 Exactly. It could take place after the flashback and deal with the league trying to help Bruce with what happened to Tim and end with Bruce pushing everyone away
Man, I would LOVE to see a Legacies issue about this.
Me too
This would be a really awesome movie and if it ever ends up happening I’d love to see a real deep one on one chat between Shayera and Mari where they just work things out between them when it comes to John. Like not make it too overly clichè dramatic basically. I’m not worried they would since everything was handled pretty maturely in the show, I’d just want that to carry over.
"Shayera's death is not off the table..."
Are you sure? Cause there's this guy called Warhawk who'd like to disagee with you...
Pinned comment plz
@@dcauwatchtower oh...
Here is an interesting question-- I rewatched Almost Got Him today, and was thinking about something. We know Jokers story is true, but are the others? Might they have made them up on the spot? Another thing: if the stories are true, then does Batman kill two people in that episode? Its made very clear that the giant penny is big enough to crush someone, but when he escaped, the penny fell on two of Two Faces thugs, and they aren't seen again in the episode. I don't know if it would technically be Batman's fault, but did they die?
I think they were hospitalized in full body cast since the penny most likely crushed them but if the giant penny was made with some cheaper metals like the modern penny that would have a nickel inner with a copper coating, it’ll probably be like getting piled on by construction pipes.
@@legoben98productions but how would Batman have known they would've survived 🤔
@@-Teague- maybe gcpd or medical team would arrive after Batman defeats two-face. They are ‘loose’ stories from the villains POV, like the people let Batman keep the giant penny since said fight plus you could see it in the batcave at least with justice league, Batman beyond, and btas (I’m not sure if we see the trophy room in the show except the new adventures, gotten the dvd sets of JL and btas for this year’s Christmas so I’ll probably binge watch the whole shows if I remember lol. )
@@legoben98productions yeah I guess, my theory is that the stories are exaggerated from the villians perspective, because in the same episode Ivy claims that Batman tried to run her over with the batmobile
@@-Teague- knowing themed super villains, they probably are exaggerations. Well now I’m remembering that croc actually did throw a big rock at Batman as the killer croc disguised Batman had referred in the circus related croc episode.
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I’d like an animated movie on this but excluding the characters in justice league be the fatal five so it can take place at the same time.
We need Vixen, Hawgirl, Hawkman, Adam Strange, Kyle Rayner and John Stewart. Maybe with the flash as a background character John brought as a friend.
Those should be the main characters.
And J’onn!
@@dcauwatchtower oh yeh sorry I couldn’t remember if he was in fatal five or not
What is a background character?
I hope they make a movie about this and the Near apocalypse of '09
It would be so amazing to get a new timverse show that follows after jlu... why don't they do that I wonder, it has a built in audience and almost couldn't fail. Maybe hbo max will be a good opportunity for somthing like that.
Def have Kyle show up, hawkgirl can’t die we still need Warhawk born in the future, vixen could die instead, instead of using blackfire you could easily use granny goodness or female furies
That Clarissa guy is pretty knowledgeable on comics...and "teds" whatever that means
If the *Omega Men* were to make an Appearance, I hands down would love to see *Steve Blum* to play Tigorr in the Team, he'd be perfect.
That WOULD be perfect!
“Tigorr owns you all!”
Ain’t gonna lie the Animal Man and Starfire relationship they were making was cute
Bro,why DC didn't made this into an animated film .This would of been awesome.
This is only a year-old concept. Never say never!
I've been waiting for someone to explain this to me thanks
2:25 don't worry, I smashed that bonkdin and hit the scrabscribble button 👍
-3055 probably
i want a rann thanagar war movie. but no hawkgirl dying!! she is great
Crisis on Infinite Earths destroyed the multiverse
Infinite Crisis brought the multiverse back
Final Crisis made the heroes aware of the return of the multiverse.
There are others, but those are the main three.
Love these kind of vids, 3rd favorite after Will it Cannon , and well, ig second now post Vanishing point
I don't take continuity errors that serious either :) BUT I love watching you break them all down & go into all the details! Whst about Green Lantern "First Flight" & Green Lantern "Emerald Knights"? I wonder if theres some fun continuity errors to break down with everything those add.
Great vid as always
Man the Rann /Thanagar War
Was kinda cool.
Ive herd they had a War in the 80s.
I got on board in the 00s.
It was an intrigate series of cross overs that compossed the majority of Adam Strange 00s storyline.
Here is my count of those minis:
Hardcore Station
Adam Strange: Planet Heist
Infinite Crisis
Rann/Thanagar War
Rann/Thanagar war special.
52
Adventure in Space
Mystery in Space
The Weird vol.2
Rann /Thanagar: Holy war
Strange Adventures
Adam Strange R/T War special
It was a really elaborate pack of Minis
I think it was an attempt by DC to draw new fans into the vast world of its cosmic characters.
I have most of these series and have owned them all at one point or other.
I really like R/T War.
Your Video has inspired me to re-read the ones i still have thanks.
The only movies I can imagine now happening in the DCau is this, and Static meets the Titans. Because I can't imagine them recasting Batman.
This actually sounds like an interesting idea for another justice league movie
Not before we get a fully detailed Worlds Collide movie.
I like it, but to keep it DCAU canon Shayera couldn’t die due to the fact that Warhawk is around in Batman Beyond. Of course, after Batman the Adventure continues it’s clear that DCAU canon isn’t a big concern so maybe they could kill her. It’d rank up the drama.
Could kill her years into the war after Warhawk is already born 🤔
@@dcauwatchtower Oooh. I like that. Like, maybe he was born during the war, hence War... Hawk? That's a good take!
@@dcauwatchtower I think some tie-in comic stated she did die at some point, so that could work. You'd just have to downplay the "will they/won't they" aspect of John and her's relationship.
Jon and Hawkgril have a kid as the war carries on. Hawkgirl give her life to stop the war. Jon returns to earth to raise his son.
A NASA Astronaut Hal Jordon who got caught up in the War , get Jon Ring.
Damn I missed this video yet I'm a patron! My notification SUCKS!
0:20: Uninterrupted swearing in the DCAU sure is a surprise. Granted, that first came to prominence from the tie-in comics, which are quite lenient on censors... still, at least it doesn't feel hashed a la the Lobo webseries.
I would have preferred a final conclusion to the Thanagarian-Gordanian conflict. Besides, the Rann just aren't that important and well known on the DCAU side of storytelling and all that.
15:50: Bless that video for summarizing the Hawk madness.
17:14: Also, much as I preferred it when Vixen should have been K.I.A. during the Near-Apocalypse of '09, killing her off here would be a neat substitute to Hawkwoman's demise, although the killer shouldn't be Blackfire... any chance she'll be replaced by Star Sapphire?
17:19: Kyle Rayner would be a fine GL partner to John Stewart there. (21:48 proves that point.)
22:47: Again, Vixen should, as a change from the Batman Beyond AU comics.
Interesting how this vid becomes more meaningful with the Tomorrowverse's Green Lantern film in mind.
I love it and I want it maybe this movie could show Hawkman becoming a Justice league member
I love this channel so much
ShadowPact is my all time favorite comic book of all time. I didn't know their origin story was tied to Infinite Crisis.
I hope we do get more DCAU films or mini-series. JLvsF5 may not be perfect but man, it was epic nonetheless.
Question for Ted; how is Dark Nights Death Metal?
Hey there! I am loving Death Metal! It’s always at the top of my reading pile. I got into comics a few months before Infinite Crisis, which was my first big event that I ever collected the tie-in issues, so Death Metal feels like a love letter to everything I’ve read by DC Comics in the last 15 years.
@@Ted-Kendrick Cool! Thanks for replying. Whenever I get the chance, I'll read it.
It was even cool that the composers gave Jessica her own theme.
Ok pitch this: at the end of that movie we see a rift un space and then we heard a transmision from jhon jones: too all jla members, this is martian manhunter! We need you right now on earth, an unkown fenonema is happening in multiple cityes, androids are taken human hostages, the skyes are turning red...... ! And then we see multiple earths emergin from that rift and other voice sayng: a crisis in deed John, one that can restore the tinks Like they meant to be!..... idont know man i want to see a DCAU version of infinite crisis, that will explains stuff Like the jsa, wally west etc
This is a fantastic watch
Like hot damnnnnn. it is good
Ah, but James, the multiverse is trending. Things are happening in other DC properties that people weren't expecting, like Michael Keaton playing his Batman again.
Perhaps the animated multiverse with have a spotlight. Again. That Teen Titans movie canonized the DCMAU to its multiverse, so maybe something will come along that will finally connect the DCAU with the Teen Titans universe, but through the multiverse. Separate earths. Along with animated movie universe, if they are creating a new shared universe that came from Barry time traveling again. Apparently that was never officially the case and it was a pipe dream of the director or something of Apokolips War.
That's vaguely remembered paraphrase of something I read online, so...
Have them fight Icthultu at the end. Idk how, but we can add Dr. Fate screaming SO FATE DEMANDS!!!! again
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Very impressive
speak that show into existence!!!
5 or 6 years ago, whenever NOW is.
Thanks so much for the heart, you guys are the greatest.
Will we ever get poison ivy plant or person?
Yessir! The script is almost done. We have yet to be able to get together in person to film necessary skit segments because of the virus. This will continue until it is safe to do so. I want this video just as much as you do!
@@dcauwatchtower oh yeah totally understand, can't wait
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The rann-thanagar war the Dc eviliquient of the Kree\Skrull war from marvel comic
Plot twist: vixen dies instead of shayera
23:24 "they kinda look similar" shows two completely different suits
It’s as much logic as most people use in comments on the Yellow Batsuit video ;)
Fun Fack: Kanjaro was also in the first Episode of BBAB (Batman Brave and the bold) he also became Blue Beatle in that episode
That’s right
I love facks
@@dcauwatchtower you mean Facts?
I wish
@@dcauwatchtower huh
i never even knew this was connected to jlu until now
Hawkgirl is really confusing. Kendra Saunders is Shiara(spelling?) reincarnated, yes? They're both around much later in recent stuff with Metal. I think.
Alright, so I don't have a "pitch," persay, but I do think an interesting element to include is the idea of Shayera mentoring a new "Hawkgirl" in the form of Kendra Saunders, as Shayera hasn't technically been Hawkgirl since "Starcrossed." Perhaps, this is the Hawkgirl Mr. Terrific was referring to in "Fatal Five." Just a thought.
Hmm. Interesting idea
I'd center an animated film around Kyle Rayner and Hawkman. Introduce a new Hawkwoman, and let J'onn, John, Vixen, and Hawkgirl be background characters. Showcase Adam Strange, Tigorr, and finally give Prince Gavyn some lines! I'd make the evil deity the villain and skip anything that seemed too political.
I like the story you made but I would of put flash in it some way
I suppose he could tag along “The Ties That Bind” style!
I definitely feel like the whole thing would be wrapped into a smaller time frame (either the war doesn't last for years *or* the story only covers one set of events that are part of the war: maybe the start of it, maybe somewhere in the middle, maybe the end), or a big time skip would take place between two separate films which each cover their own complete story arc but inform each other.
On top of that, I don't think it would behoove a film to have even close to the cast size suggested, just from a logistics perspective. Not saying they wouldn't do it, just that I think it would be to the film's detriment. I think the easiest choice is to have a single point of entry character, and since we already have Hawkgirl established it probably makes the most sense to use her as point of entry over Adam Strange.
The cult leader chick is a (secret) acolyte of Icthultu (trying to bring the OLD TIME RELIGION back--seeing Thanagar's defeat as a sign that the Thanagarians need to turn back to their god), a surviving leader of the High Council, and is likely pissed off at Shayera. DCAU!Hawkman insists on going w/said Hawkgirl even though he's a human in this meta vs Thanagarian.
Alternately, said cult leader, in order to ensure her people survived, used stolen Zeta Beam tech to teleport Rann into Thanagar's orbit--to wipe out the Gordanian threat and conquer Rann in one move (under false pretenses, which (per Starcrossed) the Thanagarians are known for in DCAU-canon). War breaks out, and Hawkgirl feels compelled to try to save her people.
I'm still a little unclear about Miss Martian in the flim. The cartoon didn't have White Martians and it said that John was the last Green Martian.
Eric Carrasco has a whole idea for her origin that he hopes to put in a tie-in comic someday. Until then, we can only guess!
So have there been any updates about a potential movie based on this at all or haven't heard anything yet from them? Cause I've been a massive DCAU fan and am just now trying to get into the newer stuff (ur channel really helps me at least try to figure out the order of them) so I wasn't sure if an actual movie was gonna happen or if JL vs FF was gonna be their "last" DCAU movie
Oh, I’m sure we’re not getting a Rann-Thanagar War movie, sorry if this was misleading. This was just our ideas for one. I’m sure “Fatal Five” won’t be the last DCAU movie we get, though.
@@dcauwatchtower ah ok. It does sound like an awesome arc they could follow up on tho. It'd also explain where some of the absent characters are in JL vs FF. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully it won't be a YEAR long wait tho lol
Well, maybe not Starman. In JLU, Courtney has the Cosmic Staff and is teamed up with Pat, suggesting that Starman is at best retired, and at worst…
Honestly, given the Thanagarian invasion of Earth during their war with the Gordanians, it’s entirely possible that the (theoretical) movie would *much* different than the comics version. Maybe they were going to try a similar ruse with Rann, only Adam Strange *knew* what had happened on Earth and warned them what their Thanagarian “hero” was really up to, which ultimately sparked open conflict between the two worlds. Not saying everything else would be tossed out in this scenario, but I could see them switching quite a few things up, in order to surprise their fans and differentiate the movie from the comics. (Look at Captain America: Civil War, for an example of what I mean.) Besides, with as much as they stick to their established continuity in the DCAU, there’s no way the characters involved wouldn’t reference the events of Starcrossed, and (initially, at least; things would likely get a lot more complicated as the movie went on) side with Rann.
I thought the rank-thanagar war was like the Apocalypse of ‘09
This is year but I'm go with your version bc it ties with the comics and the TV series
Taking notes for a Superman game
Apocalypse/new gods
Kryptonians
Zarnians
Rann
Star lab
Brainiac
Than
Go with God is good advice, it is Sunday after all
Yeah good advice
Ethereal Sky Daddy can't fix all your problems for you. Only you can do that.
@@gregsanders61 of course, it's like the saying "we can't expect God to do all the work"
@@icedteaman5862
You can't expect him to do any of the work. He either is the most hands off thing in existence or doesn't exist.
@@gregsanders61 There's not actually any way to know that. If God exists, it is very possible He is intervening in human affairs, preventing disasters, etc. all the time. How would we have any way of knowing? Sure we got a holocaust, 9/11, etc., but who's to say there wasn't much more and much worse in store that He just didn't let happen?
Well, you're also going to have to work in Hro Talak somehow (maybe one or more of his lieutenants as Thanagarian fighters?) as the DCAU Carter Hall doesn't really have a Thanagarian connection
And if Future Warhawk is a concern, well, no rule against Vixen doing The Big Sleep, now is there? Effect on John Stewart and Shayera would still be dramatic.
Hro Talak is explained to have died sacrificing himself to end the Thanagarian-Gordanian War in JLU
@@maxalaintwo3578 Yes, but he already had one post-death appearance. I'm saying there should be a mention of his name as part of the legacy of Thanagar and DCAU history
Carter is a half blood, son of a thanagarian ornitologyst and a native american woman called Naomi. They fell in love and lived in Thanagar, where Carter (Katar) was born. But she didn't like the lifestyle there because it was too violent. So, they split, she went back to Earth and their son stayed in Thanagar. Years later, he and his wife, Shayera, go to Earth and he and Naomi reunite. Then he learns about her mother's traditions and becomes a traditional healer. 😍😍😍
@@PhantomObserver funny. I'm working on a fanfic which I wish become cannon, which includes an afterlife appereance of Commander Talak 😮
The war is discussed from season 2 of justice league onwards. It's why Thanagar invaded earth, and why in Unlimited only a few Thanagarians are left since the war is basically lost. A handful of thanagarians are on an alien world when vigilante, vixen, and shayera investigate and we learn this. its not some out of left field thing or a comics only one.
That’s not anything at all to do with Rann. That’s the Gordanians.
@@dcauwatchtower Wow went back to watch those three episodes, i had misremembered and thought Gordanians were serving Rann as frontline soldiers. Since in comics Gordanians work for Psions or a similar power, rarely ever being in charge.
Your right i was wrong.
Kan Jar Ro is used a lot in animated stuff . I see thus character a lot
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I'd be fine with a Rann-Thanagar movie, but it wouldn't be my first choice for a #JLreunion. Personally, I think a one-off film would be a better suit for this story and I would rather a new DCAU film to focus on an original story or explore an already mentioned in-universe event. Perhaps one set in the year 2009...😉!
But aren’t the thanagaraians all dead. It was revealed in the hunters moon episode of jlu. That’s a pretty big plot hole. I’m all for having another Hawkgirl, Green Lantern episode/movie. But it just doesn’t make sense
I cut out a part where I mention their army shouldn’t be back to full strength yet. It’s never stated they’re all dead, just that they lost against the Gordanians
@@dcauwatchtower thx for doing a deep cut it’s been a while since I watched the episode
One word yes
Sooo.... infinite crisis everyone?
You can hang out with people. Wear a mask. And gloves. And a hazmat suit.
Or just video chat?
But our characters in the sketches don’t wear masks 🤔
@@dcauwatchtower This seems less like a reply to me and more like you're questioning yourselves to me.
Is this a mystery I need to solve?
“Can hang out” and “should hang out” are two different things, is what I’m saying
@@dcauwatchtower You can see some people, can't you? Or is it that bad everyone in the States.
It's definitely not as bad in Canada, but the numbers are going up again. We've been allowed bubbles but my dad has a job and my brother doesn't live with us and has a job and he goes out places and it's hard to have a bubble because people need to work and then the bubble bursts.
I'm just waiting for the sky to turn red. 🤣
If they do this movie, I hope Lantern and Vixen romance is dead and John getting back with shayera
What's the song at the end it slapss???
A stock track off the TH-cam Audio Library
Not a fan of the double ads but still a good video.
We do Patreon Party every week, and try to make a nice fun commercial break spot for an actual TH-cam ad. Better than the 5 or 6 per video randomly that we used to do!
so does this mean batman beyond will it canon
Hmmm...
Interesting
So much for the Shadow thief
You can’t really kill shiera if Warhawk hasn’t been born yet
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The only problem with this is that Gordanians conquered the Thanagarian in the cartoon.
Yeah, I originally included a segment that I cut for time, about how Thanagar would still be reeling from the Gordanians winning against them. So either the Gordanians would also be involved in this, or driven out when Rann’s sudden appearance in Thanagar’s atmosphere made the planet uninhabitable.
The only real issue with having Shiera die in the R-T War is the future Warhawk character. After all, we'd have to establish Shiera having a child with John while he was dating Vixen.
Edit... I see you already got and answered this. So, that hasn't been lost.
Put in Flash and Martian Manhunter in this movie too.
J’onn’s there the whole time!
Shayera Thal could be Hawkgirl's mother :)
Great video as always!
I have a rather irrelevant question ... While browsing the internet I came across a series of books called "DC Super Hero Adventures" (written by Michael Anthony Steele and illustrated by Leonel Castellani). These books apparently just released this year and I was wondering if these stories were taking place in the DCAU ... (I only found very little information about this)
(Link: www.capstonepub.com/consumer/products/dc-super-hero-adventures-3/)
Thanks!
There are a TON of these kinds of books. We’ll cover them on the channel eventually, whether they work with canon or not. Possibly on our Twitch, where we go through DCAU-connected comics, books, and video games every week! twitch.tv/dcauwatchtower
Maybe Vixen dies instead of Shayera
Have you guys ever named your personal DCAU top tens are? Favorite toys too.
We did a top 5 DCAU episodes ranking during our 2020 24-hour livestream, which is cataloged on the channel still 😁
If not in a GL group shot, how would you guy's try and fit Hal and Guy into the DCAU? Maybe a video about this ? Or a quick response or both ? ;)
We talked about this in our Hal Jordan episode of the Vanishing Point, and our “Will It Canon?” episode on JLvsF5, check those out!