Me too! I saw the barbie movie when I was 2, and by the time the disney movie had come out (7y) I knew how to tell the differences of the "original" and the barbie one by heart
tangled is probably one of the few disney remakes of old stories where the story isn’t as polished and “innocent” as other remakes. sure, she doesn’t get blinded and there’s no EXTREME violence, but the way mother gothel is portrayed is rly well done.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame? The only thing that they ‘polished off’ for that film is that the leads don’t all die at the end which, given the story, is good. (True in the BOOK Frollo was a priest, but when the original books original author was adapting it to stage, he himself changed Frollo to a hedge to make the play more palatable to the general public. So it’s not really Disney ‘polishing’ that part.)
Hi German Person here ;) Rapunzel doesnt mean lettuce rather its an old word for a type of lettuce (lamb lettuce) some people still use that word like my grandma ^^
@@malink2658 No, it is a different plant from what we today call lettuce. In English the Campanula rapunculus (scientific name) is commonly known as rampion bellflower, rampion, rover bellflower, or rapunzel. So it does NOT mean lettuce.
Small correction - The Bear and the Bow was not the name of the story that Brave was based on, but in fact, the working title for the film. It was actually an original story inspired by Celtic mythology.
Well...... In the original version (or one of them, to be exact) mother Gothel throws him down the tower into a huge pile of thorns, which then blind him. Haha, still holding to your opinion? 😝
Great video! Just a small correction, Howard Ashman was originally hired to write lyrics for the movie Oliver and Company then heard about the project the Little Mermaid and sat the animation department down and told them what they needed to do to actually make a good movie for a modern audience. It was convincing enough they let him in on Little Mermaid and let him hire Alan Mencken. Spent way too much time watching Beauty and the Beast special features growing up, that that part of the narrative felt like it needed to be clarified.
I remember when I was 4-9, I absolutely loved Rapunzal. And at our school library, I learnt we had the original Repunzal book. I went crazy and got it. I learnt the origin sotry, but it didn't change my perspective. To me, now it was just something fun I could tell me friends. I still tried to grow my hair out to Rapunzals hair length, even though now I know there's not a chance, and I want to cut it, eh it was fun.
When I was a kid I pestered my mom for a chameleon and spent a whole 5 years growing out my hair and I would b i t e anyone who dared try to cut my hair
fun fact: in germany, where rapunzel is a known fairytale, tangled is titeled as rapunzel, new dry-blown. frozen was later called 'the icequeen, totally cooly'
Great video! I realized Frozen doesn't follow the "Ashman Formula," but Moana follows most of it. Could this be why Frozen doesn't have the "Disney magic," while Moana does?
That and probably because they changed the whole plot of Frozen half-way through production. Elsa was supposed to be the villain until they wrote Let It Go. (And likely since the "villain" Hans literally wasn't a villain or hinted towards such until the last 10 minutes and many thought it was lazy/bad writing.)
Frozen is the bad animated disney version of Cats the musical, where in cats the entire show is based around the single showstopper "memory", which recontextualises the entire show around Grizabella as the protagonist over the jellical cats, in frozen, "let it go" is (supposed to be) the turning point where elsa becomes the protagonist over Anna, who is the jellical cats stand-in. It doesn't work in frozen because it's hollow, there's not enough build up or weight to carry it, and it's too sudden/rushed. (I'm explaining this really badly lol, try watching Why The Music in Cats Is Worse Than You Thought for a better explanation on my points lol)
@@doctorwholover1012 exactly. Frozen is also a very broken story, because that show-defining song (where she isolates herself) is technically a mistake on elsa's part, and the narrative calls that out at the end when elsa realizes that love is the answer or whatever, but the movie never goes back on "Let It Go"s triumphant feel, nor does it even have a musical number for that moment. It sends mixed signals
As a German, people still learn the original here! It's one of my favourite stories besides the part where the prince falls into the thorns and wanders around the desert looking for Rapunzel
Tangled is not necessarily German! It was inspired by the German fairly tale Rapunzel. But then Rapunzel by Brothers grimm was a remake from the original Mademoiselle de La Force. So the story of Rapunzel or Tangled doesnt necessarily belong to Germany.
Yeah... I was with her on most the video and then she said that. I can't find much about this, except that some people think Gothel's coded as a jew. But I'm pretty sure she's just white with dark hair.
@@lindenbree9188 I always just interpreted her as being European since that's where the story is supposed to be taking place in the movie. I mean, I'm white, the majority of my ancestors on my mom's side are from Europe, and I have extremely curly hair and the same sharp nose as she does. If people are saying she's coded as being Jewish for that, I think they have flimsy evidence. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it
@@noahhutchins5164 as someone who is jewish she does have traits that could be connected to "typical" jewish traits but they arent only jewish traits, so i can see why people interpret her that way, though i personally think people are looking way too much into it. thats just me though.
Since when is mother gothel racially coded? If never heard of that before 😅 both her and Rapunzel look like normal European women (or German if you take the original fairy tale)
It's honestly less overt racial coding than it is ethnic coding- Gothel has features very common in Jewish women, and personality traits which are also stereotypical traits for Jewish women.
First off Rapunzel doesn't mean lettuce, it's simply a type of lettuce. Specifically Lamb's Lettuce (I think its thats what its called in english). With that nitpick out of the way, as a german person who grew up with the stories of rapunzel and the snow queen, seeing the disney movies that were loosly based on them was intresting. To me it always just felt like they looked at the original story and decided to reference them heavily instead of actually adapting it and I didnt like it. You can really tell that they simply wanted to make money. Of course they're still great stories but geez, they just really want all the money people can give them.
I feel like Tangled and Frozen deviate far more from their original source than most of the previous movies, and were renamed so that their relation to a fairy tale isn't as obvious.
Yeah, it’s not just “felt like”. They did heavily reference the stories without actually adapting them lol. Why is that a problem though? What makes you think it’s “money-grabbing” simply because you want to make a kid-friendly film? I’m no Disney stan but Idk it’s a pretty weird connect-the-dots to think wanting something dark for kids is fine.
I don’t know why you think “they just wanted to get money” look any movie they want it to make profit. But it doesn’t mean they don’t care about the product because it’s different from some other version. I red (or was red to) the many versions first but that doesn’t mean I don’t love the Disney versions. I would have adapted things differently myself in some places like in Little Mermaid expecially but it doesn’t mean the movie version isn’t good or that the studio would have survived if it wasn’t a hit. The video explains this too how bad place Disney was in, so they could not make a dark ending since it’s not something that’s popular. Snow White nearly bankrupted Disney and was called Disney’s folly and was huge artistic innovation. Cinderella needed to be hit or the studio could fall after WWII had caused Disney just make package films. Sleeping Beauty was made to be as gorgeous as possible to match Walt Disney’s ambition to matching the concept art for once for beauty and it initially lost money. Rapunzel was made when Disney was coming out to the 00s huge new dark age and it took nearly a decade to make and was outrageously expensive. Disney had acquired Pixar and if Lassater had not be been a fan of Disney animation studios too they might have stopped making fairytale films and Tangled needed to be a bit (Princess and the Frog and Winnite the Pooh flopping meant closing the traditionally animated production again, it had been closed once already after Home of the adage flopped). So you can’t say it’s guaranteed these films make money or money doesn’t matter. It’s so expensive to make animated films that they need to make money back.
I really enjoyed the video and thought the overall analysis was great. However, I really don't see any racial coding in Mother Gothel. In my little research, I found out she was hard for them to crack and they wanted a less traditional "bad for bad reasons" villain, her design was based off of Cher, and they wanted her to look very different from Rapunzel so that she and Rapunzel don't at all look like Mother Gothel. Besides this, I felt the rest was very insightful
Nicely done -- I enjoyed it from beginning to end, and you nicely put together many points that aren't surprising in retrospect, but I'm sure many, or most people (including me) haven't really put together. Kudos!
I'm not sure what you mean about Gothel being "racially coded." Rapunzel was a blonde. That's a longstanding tradition and they couldn't change that. They wanted to make Gothel as unsimilar physically as possible so that it would be obvious which person was the biomom at the end. And it was a European story so she had to be white. So against Rapunzel's blonde hair they gave her black hair. Curly hair wouldn't work for Rapunzel -- it could at mostly be slightly wavy -- so Gothel's hair had to be very curly. They decided that Rapunzel, being such a natural acrobat, needed a gymnast's body (hefty legs and butt, tiny bust) so they made Gothel busty and didn't give her the big thighs and butt of a gymnast or figure skater. Gothel's clothing is also about 600 years out of date, which indicates her age.
she was based on cher but people think she's supposed to be a negative jewish portrayal because people are SJWs and actively look to find something to be insulted by. cher is of albanian descent, not jewish. also nobody complains about gothel's daughter cassandra in the tv show despite sharing the same eye and hair color. people do the same thing for barbie movies. people who think barbie and tangled are antisemetic or insulting are also anti-blonde since they bring up Rapunzel, Barbie and Ken's hair colours.
@@finland4ever55 Barbie and Ken were blond because they were modeled after the children of the creators, Barbie and Ken. I'm sure that if their children had been brunettes then the Ken and Barbie dolls would have been brunettes as well.
@@thesisypheanjournal1271 The original girl, Barbie, actually did have brown hair, and two dolls were designed, one with brown hair and one with blond. The blond hair doll just sold better, so she became the official look of the Barbie doll.
My sister has hair as curly as Gothel’s and that’s all European descent. What about curly hair is linked to a race...? I was actually surprised to see you say Jewish because when they said ‘racially coded’ I was trying to think ‘what race???’ And Jewish didn’t cross my mind at all... It’s not like there’s never been racial issues in other Disney movies to point out, idk why Tangled of all things should be dragged into that conversation when I doubt it’s true
Hey, this showed up in my feed and I'm glad it did! I watch WAY TOO MUCH entertainment critical analysis and this was awesome, imo. The editing, the structure - it's all there and in longer form no less. Hitting it out of the park, love the takes. I am that exact right age millennial to have grown alongside the Disney Renaissance (1986 baby so Ariel was my first obsession) and the Princess merch was definitely structured for a younger set but definitely appealed to Millennials weird addiction to Nostalgia since we were young. I was nostalgic for the Little Mermaid by the time I was 14-15 in 2000-2001 so the branding of the now collection of princesses made sense to me, so I love seeing the broader picture of that with utilizing Rapunzel to solidify their dedication to computer animation and really dig deep into the Disney magic and pull off a real hit again right in their strike zone. Thanks for the vid :)
Thanks for the video. I'm obsessed with this movie and I watch every video essay about it I can find but this one offered a different kind of perspective.
I heard of the tale when I was a kid. so the changes that Disney did was surprisingly interesting. I was 15 when I watch it in theaters 4 the 1st time.
21:00 Sorry, but I gotta stop you right there. Eugene is in fact a prince. He's the prince of the dark kingdom, which is ruled by king Edmund. You really need to watch season 3 of "Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure"
@@littlearies3862 Sure, but since when does the time of this matter? The series is part of Eugene's and Rapunzel's story. And when it's said that Eugene is in fact a prince, then it also implies that he has always been a prince. In a nutshell, the logic behind your entire argument is very incorrect.
@@Sebastian20745 Because he wasn't a prince in TANGLED. He is a prince in the lore created after but he isnt a prince in the movie. (Also, wasn't the kingdom technically destroyed, at least nearly?) The logic is that he wasn't a prince in the movie and that is true-- Flynn, in the movie, was a pursumed orphan and thief. It's not illogical but a stated fact.
@@littlearies3862 No, he has ALWAYS been a prince. It DOESN'T MATTER when it was revealed! The reason why it wasn't mentioned in Tangled is because Eugene himself didn't know his true background. But in the series, there was someone who knew (King Edmund), and only when his character was introduced, we finally got to hear Eugene's past.
@@Sebastian20745 You realize the CONTEXT of saying "Eugene was not a prince in Tangled" is to explain why they made Rapunzel a princess for the DP lineup, right? To give example of things that changed around with the characters from the source to the movie... Like, it doesn't matter that in the lore he is a prince. In the movie, the plan was not to make him a prince. That's all I'm saying, dude. The reason behind "he was not a prince" wasn't necessarily a snub towards the series, but a literal statement to which he was not actually planned to be a prince. Especially when the series came out, like, 7 years after the movie released (after 10 years of work). It does matter and is a point.
Am I the only one who grew up with the original stories? I never understood “dark original story that will ruin your childhood”, I’m like “this story was my childhood” Like with Belle having two (greedy, selfish) sisters, Cinderella with the step sisters cutting off her toes and birds pecking out their eyes, Snow White with the poisoned comb, and rapunzel with the Prince being blinded Those were my bedtime stories 😂 (Also Rapunzel is a type of lettuce, it isn’t the German word for lettuce)
i had a book of grimm's fairy tales as a kid (and when i was like 8 someone told me there were hundreds of versions of cinderella so finding other versions of fairy tales became a big interest of mine lol) so I grew up with lots of versions of the same story. i always kind of rolled my eyes at those "these dark origins of [insert disney film] will ruin your childhood!" headlines and kind of just laugh when i'd see people go on about how they learned the ~real~ story of the little mermaid or mulan and felt like disney lied to them
I grew up with a few classics and the grimms fairy tailes on nic jr so I was familliar with manny classics before being introduced to disney adaptations. It gave me a respect for the classics and not to give disney too much creddit. I actually grew up with programs like tv that would be considered too scary or graphic by todays kids. So the somewhat graphic parts of fairytail classic storries never bothered me.
I was taught the original Grimm fairytales, so when my my friends at school were talking about Cinderella, I’d mention eyes getting pecked out by birds. So looking back I probably scared a few childhoods while I was a child myself 😂😂
Tangled is my favorite Disney fairy tale adaption and I loved how you broke down the original fairy tales and the princess movies preceding tangled, I had no idea the princesses was a whole branding thing but it makes sense cuz it’s Disney, dunno how i didn’t realize it sooner tbh
Coronations or not they literally aren't offical princesses; disregarding the fact that with the second movie they both are canonically queens, Disney reps have stated time and again that they aren't part of the lineup and will not be anytime in the foreseeable future. To paraphrase 'Frozen' performs to well as its own line for either character to be grouped into the lesser 'Disney Princess' line.
Technically, but Disney took them out of the line-up to start the Frozen line when they realized how popular Frozen was. I mean, Frozen II is one of the VERY FEW Disney sequels that got a theatrical release.
Gothel is racially coded how? As a dark-haired German woman? I was with you until that comment. You can't just make a claim like that and then hand-wave away any explanation. Europeans can have curly hair, and she looked just as "old-timey Europe" as any other character in the movie. The only feature that sticks out to me are her cartoonishly giant Yzma eyes; a trait found on no living human that I know of. So please explain to me what makes her different than any other character without revealing your own racial biases, assumptions, or stereotypes. Not trying to be antagonistic here, I just genuinely don't know what you're trying to get at with such a loaded remark. I've seen my fair share of racially caricatured characters (Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs, anyone?) and in no universe would I ever consider Mother Gothel one of them.
Mother Gothel is a part of a trend of Disney Villains who are racially coded as Jewish-- the dark curly hair, larger noses, while the good guys have button noses, lighter eyes, etc. It would not be that obvious in this movie alone if it wasn't for how often Disney, and children's media in general, does this (Snow White, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Peter Pan, the list really goes on). Mother Gothel is obviously meant to be very beautiful, but she is still characterized as evil by her facial features-- intentional or not. It's teaching kids to associate common Jewish features with evil, perpetuating anti-semitic bigotry that we still see a lot in adults today.
@@heba1806 I don’t think kids will learn about Judaism by big noses and curly hair. Most Jewish people don’t even have those common features anymore. Most parents probably wouldn’t understand the “racial coding” of it.
@@thelanktheist2626 Even if many ethnically Jewish people do not have those features, these movies are still stereotyping them. Regardless, many people do have one or several of those features and these movies demonize how they look. Just recently, Kamala Harris's stepdaughter was accused of supporting human rights abuses in Israel simply for "looking Jewish." They defended their point by saying that unlike "moral" Jews who have softer features, she had "evil" ones, which is obviously ridiculous but it's what they believed. Also, I can only speak for myself, but this dichotomy between protagonists and their villains was very clear to me as a child. Before I could consciously acknowledge it, I did make those associations that children's movies taught us to make despite having some of those features myself (although I'm not Jewish).
@@heba1806 Exactly which cultures even still talk about Jewish features? I live in Germany and Jews are never characterized by features, they are only described as members of a religion. There is no way for people to recognize Jewish characterisations in many countries because there Jews aren't defined by any physical attributes. Isn't that kind of view mostly outdated nowadays? I don't know anybody who would still regonize such characteristics as Jewish. Her face is a bit sunken in to portray a stylistically evil character, I doubt many would actually draw real-life parallels from this.
8:46 can I just say that lsoh is the best example of a Disney renaissance musical, without actually being Disney. This just shows how big an impact Ashman (and Menken) had on Disney.
Most of the types of songs are present 11:40 - The Opening- The Prologue (little shop of horrors) or Skid Row 12:01 - The Villain Song - Dentist! or (only in the movie’s case) Mean Green Mother from Outer Space 12:23 - The Romantic Duet - Suddenly Seymour 13:00 - The “I Want” Song - Grow For Me There are several contenders for the Comedic Side Character Song but none of them really fit enough so I’m discounting it.
20:58 In a shocking turn of events, Disney's Rapunzel is royalty by both birth AND marriage as attested to by the TV show sequel 29:05 The man gets STABBED on screen lmao, how is that any better
This was great Lauren! Highly enjoyable. I’d love to see a video on the villain issues you mention at the end! Also, what are the clips with all the princess together from? I’ve seen clips before but haven’t seen the whole thing
@@TheoreticalTH-camChannel We're all curious about the statement you made about Gothel being racially coded and I was just wondering if you are working on a video addressing that. Apologies to Nerd In A Dress for using your comment for an unrelated question.
This is so cool cause actually my first exposure to rapunzel was the Grimm's fairytale, so I was just comparing and contrasting to the movie while I watched it LMAO, I'm just so obsessed with fairytales especially Rapunzel characters, hell, even now my special interest is a Rapunzel-ish character so it's weird to think that others' first exposure was Disney!
Great video essay! The only thing I have to say is that Flynn Rider is technically a prince since it was revealed in Tangled the Series that his parents were the king and queen of the dark kingdom.
ON that note Brave is an original story, the bear and the bow was the working title before it became Brave. However, compared to the stories that was adapted Brave was pretty underwhelming I suppose at least compared to some of the others?
Thumb up for the first part, but I like the film, so it's not underwhelming for me! Director-until-Pixar-ousted-her Brenda Chapman created the story as a parallel to her relationship with her daughter.
She isn't actually literally named 'lettuce'. Rapunzel is just a type of lettuce and another name for lamb lettuce that was used back in the day. In Germany today, Rapunzel would just be a normal name.
would a middle ground movie between twist villains and the "Disney Villains" be a movie that incorporates both and by the end, the hero and the "Disney Villain" work together surprising the hero, and the "Disney Villain" says "oh just because I tried to kill you, I'm automatically friends with all the bad guys?" (stolen from an Overly sarcastic productions Trope Talk on Magnificent Bastards)
Jafar is redeemed Wicked style in the amazing Twisted by Team Starkid here on TH-cam. I *highly* recommend watching it. It follows Steven Sondheim's musical theatre style and I will never be able to watch Aladdin again without thinking about Twisted.
I learned a version that was pretty soft but not as quite soft as the Disney version. The prince was blinded, but the mom wanted the plant because she was having pregnancy cravings,
Idk about gothel being racially coded. She looks like Bernadette Peter's version of the rapunzel witch from the famous stage version of into the woods. I just assumed her design was very likely inspired from that. Not that I think disney is free of harmful racial coding, just not in this particular case. Otherwise, I agreed with everything else!
Yeah, I didn't understand that part either. What I've always heard and what I read is that they wanted Gothel and Rapunzel be side by side and you clearly can tell they aren't mother and daughter. On top of this, they based her design heavily on Cher. I've watched this movie several times and never once felt like Gothel was racially coded. Maybe I'm wrong, but I never saw it
Hey! I just wanted to point out that rapunzel doesn't mean lettuce in German. :) In English the plant is called rampion bellflower, rampion, rover bellflower, or rapunzel. The scientific name of the plant is campanula rapunculus, in case you wanna check it out.
Great video. :) It's a crazy reflection of 2021 TH-cam that you don't have more views and subscribers despite having been making videos for several years. May the algorithm gods smile on you sooner or later. :p
Watched Tangled again recently (I remember enjoying it a lot as a child) and realized that Mother Gothel's kinda similar to the witch in Into the Woods. In into the woods the beans that were stolen mean that witch is cursed with ugliness, and mother knows best has a similar message to children will listen. This might just be because they're both musical adaptations of the same story, but the Disney Into the Woods film was a few years after Tangled, and thinking about it is probably responsible in part for my love of musicals now. Take this how you will, but I like the comparison, and both were made by Disney (albeit different departments) and released relatively close together considering the crossover. Thanks for the Into the Woods clips by the way!
I grew up in Germany and as a child I hated fairytales because the german versions of them were so much scarier than the disney ones and I hadn’t even seen these
I honestly love the comparison to Tangled and Beauty and the Beast. I like how both villains have traits and are actual people that we can find in our daily lives. Also both are my top 2 fav Disney movies along with little mermaid.
How is Mother Ghotel racially coded? Like, okay, curly black hair but like... There are white people with curly black hair. It's rare but it happens. If her hair is the only thing that's vaguely similar to people of color and her skin's not even dark, she's super pale. And her voice actor is white, and she doesn't have an accent or a personality that matches any racial stereotypes that I know of... Is this just about her hair?
Wait Moana was added to the official Disney princess list! Moana is an official Disney princess! AND she's an original character. So yeah, you're kinda wrong in your analysis that the princesses aren't new characters.
Merida is an original character too “The Bear and the Bow” isn’t what the story is based on, it’d the working title of “Brave”, it’s not something separate from the movie
Technically we don’t know if it actually means lettuce. It’s what historians guess. It’s a good guess. Knowing fairytales it’s likely. Just saying this as a grain of salt.
Though Disney was my first it was not my only exposure to any of Disney’s classic princesses. My mom was morbid and once I got old enough she told me most of the originals though she did leave some details out so the origin stories never really shocked me. Except Chinas version of Cinderella. I think that’s the oldest known one. That one was a shock mostly the origin
27:47 Error about racial coding by intent. Artists said they tried to show Rapunzel & Gothel not at all related. Head shape, eyes, hair colour ... compare with Rapunzel vis-à-vis the Queen.
Personally I think the mother had a craving for whatever it was in the witch’s garden because she was pregnant. That or the witch had enchanted her garden to be irresistible to certain people.
I remember reading Doraemon and seeing the main character read The Little Mermaid a friend’s little sister or something. I was _very_ confused when the mermaid died at the end. But of course she did, the manga was made way before Disney’s Little Mermaid, so that version of the story was the given at the time. That seriously blew my mind lol.
I could have sworn there was a version when I was a kid where the witch did steal the child. And there was one where she was a princess and she fell in love with a thief. Definitely remember that part. And the their fell off the tower and went blind because of thorns.
I was also wondering if the twist villains were an attempt to avoid racially coded villains!!! Honestly, though, I think this film in particular would have benefitted from Gothel actually looking like Rapunzel! Rapunzel is smart, so she'd probably question why she looks different from Gothel, but if they looked the same, there's nothing to question (bonus points if you keep her bio parents with brown hair, and both her and Gothel are blonde) Also, I think it would tie in better thematically with the messages about abuse because it emphasizes the *behavior* as evil instead of endorsing any preconceived notions about what "evil" people look like (don't even get me started on how the way we visualize "evil" people is rooted in unconscious biases against minorities)
Oh my poor soul, I was so confused when I first saw the Disney versions,it wasn't traumatizing me,they miss the flavour Idk does me being from Europe have anything to with me seeing Grimm's fairy tales first
Her understanding of history is lacking (problem of modern times?) . Especially in case of the Grimm brothers and their acadamic work and their goal in writing down oral history. Otherwise, an entertaining video.
Even when Rapunzel hasn't been a popular princess in Latin America before Tangled, it just came to my mind a creepy version from that random Alf cartoon show! 🤔... 18:30 Lord Farquaad's cuote! 😆
Please don't hate me for asking but could someone please explain to me how Gothel is racially coded? It's not something I've ever picked up on and I want to know what it is that you've noticed that suggests racial coding. Thanks
People say that cause she’s got black, curly hair, and a larger nose, that she’s based off Jewish stereotypes But honestly, I don’t see it, pretty sure they based her off Cher (who isn’t Jewish) I think this falls into people looking for things to be mad about
don't americans read books to their toddlers? because I am Turkish and I have been read to and read myself, all the original versions of these european fairytales, along with eastern tales of course. I have also grew up with watching all the disney classics, so how is watching a cartoon limits people from the act of reading, I can't understand.
I think the first exposure I had to Rapunzel was actually the Barbie Movie lmao
Me too! I saw the barbie movie when I was 2, and by the time the disney movie had come out (7y) I knew how to tell the differences of the "original" and the barbie one by heart
Same!
Lol disney stole the painting thing from Barbie
Same
@@sheyannev2757 lol
tangled is probably one of the few disney remakes of old stories where the story isn’t as polished and “innocent” as other remakes. sure, she doesn’t get blinded and there’s no EXTREME violence, but the way mother gothel is portrayed is rly well done.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame? The only thing that they ‘polished off’ for that film is that the leads don’t all die at the end which, given the story, is good. (True in the BOOK Frollo was a priest, but when the original books original author was adapting it to stage, he himself changed Frollo to a hedge to make the play more palatable to the general public. So it’s not really Disney ‘polishing’ that part.)
Flynn Ryder gets stabbed in the chest on screen.
Hi German Person here ;) Rapunzel doesnt mean lettuce rather its an old word for a type of lettuce (lamb lettuce) some people still use that word like my grandma ^^
thank you for clearing that up!
yess and I learned the lettuce thing for her name when I got told the fairytale (also am german)
so...what you’re saying is...that it means lettuce?
@@malink2658 No, it is a different plant from what we today call lettuce. In English the Campanula rapunculus (scientific name) is commonly known as rampion bellflower, rampion, rover bellflower, or rapunzel. So it does NOT mean lettuce.
@@BigBadWolframio I was told it meant radish, not lettuce.
Small correction - The Bear and the Bow was not the name of the story that Brave was based on, but in fact, the working title for the film. It was actually an original story inspired by Celtic mythology.
I would actually argue that Mother Gothel stabbing Eugene is worse than blinding him ha
Well...... In the original version (or one of them, to be exact) mother Gothel throws him down the tower into a huge pile of thorns, which then blind him.
Haha, still holding to your opinion? 😝
I think this will become my newest favourite video essay
Great video! Just a small correction, Howard Ashman was originally hired to write lyrics for the movie Oliver and Company then heard about the project the Little Mermaid and sat the animation department down and told them what they needed to do to actually make a good movie for a modern audience. It was convincing enough they let him in on Little Mermaid and let him hire Alan Mencken. Spent way too much time watching Beauty and the Beast special features growing up, that that part of the narrative felt like it needed to be clarified.
I remember when I was 4-9, I absolutely loved Rapunzal. And at our school library, I learnt we had the original Repunzal book. I went crazy and got it. I learnt the origin sotry, but it didn't change my perspective. To me, now it was just something fun I could tell me friends. I still tried to grow my hair out to Rapunzals hair length, even though now I know there's not a chance, and I want to cut it, eh it was fun.
I think it's Rapunzel
When I was a kid I pestered my mom for a chameleon and spent a whole 5 years growing out my hair and I would b i t e anyone who dared try to cut my hair
fun fact: in germany, where rapunzel is a known fairytale, tangled is titeled as rapunzel, new dry-blown. frozen was later called 'the icequeen, totally cooly'
What are you talking about ?! Everyone knows the original version of Rapunzel is the Barbie version !
“... And judge Claude Follo is even more evil than Michael Eisner.” 🤣 Phew, you got me with that one. Nicely done, perfect landing. 😂
Great video! I realized Frozen doesn't follow the "Ashman Formula," but Moana follows most of it. Could this be why Frozen doesn't have the "Disney magic," while Moana does?
That and probably because they changed the whole plot of Frozen half-way through production. Elsa was supposed to be the villain until they wrote Let It Go. (And likely since the "villain" Hans literally wasn't a villain or hinted towards such until the last 10 minutes and many thought it was lazy/bad writing.)
Frozen is hardly even a story.
Frozen is the bad animated disney version of Cats the musical, where in cats the entire show is based around the single showstopper "memory", which recontextualises the entire show around Grizabella as the protagonist over the jellical cats, in frozen, "let it go" is (supposed to be) the turning point where elsa becomes the protagonist over Anna, who is the jellical cats stand-in.
It doesn't work in frozen because it's hollow, there's not enough build up or weight to carry it, and it's too sudden/rushed.
(I'm explaining this really badly lol, try watching Why The Music in Cats Is Worse Than You Thought for a better explanation on my points lol)
@@doctorwholover1012 exactly. Frozen is also a very broken story, because that show-defining song (where she isolates herself) is technically a mistake on elsa's part, and the narrative calls that out at the end when elsa realizes that love is the answer or whatever, but the movie never goes back on "Let It Go"s triumphant feel, nor does it even have a musical number for that moment. It sends mixed signals
i'll take frozen over Moana any day, sorry watched it once and that was enough for me.
Eugene is a Prince canonically because in the series it is revealed that his dad is the king of the dark kingdom
As a German, people still learn the original here! It's one of my favourite stories besides the part where the prince falls into the thorns and wanders around the desert looking for Rapunzel
Tangled is not necessarily German! It was inspired by the German fairly tale Rapunzel. But then Rapunzel by Brothers grimm was a remake from the original Mademoiselle de La Force. So the story of Rapunzel or Tangled doesnt necessarily belong to Germany.
How does race have anything to do with Mother Gothel other than the fact that she has one? Cause last time I checked, everyone does.
Yeah... I was with her on most the video and then she said that. I can't find much about this, except that some people think Gothel's coded as a jew. But I'm pretty sure she's just white with dark hair.
@@lindenbree9188 I always just interpreted her as being European since that's where the story is supposed to be taking place in the movie. I mean, I'm white, the majority of my ancestors on my mom's side are from Europe, and I have extremely curly hair and the same sharp nose as she does. If people are saying she's coded as being Jewish for that, I think they have flimsy evidence. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it
@@noahhutchins5164 as someone who is jewish she does have traits that could be connected to "typical" jewish traits but they arent only jewish traits, so i can see why people interpret her that way, though i personally think people are looking way too much into it. thats just me though.
Ooh very smart comment
I was confused by that for a minute, but I think she means she looks like a "gypsy" or in pc terms, a romani person.
20:58 me who watches the series: THATS WHERE YOUR WRONG!
Since when is mother gothel racially coded? If never heard of that before 😅 both her and Rapunzel look like normal European women (or German if you take the original fairy tale)
It's honestly less overt racial coding than it is ethnic coding- Gothel has features very common in Jewish women, and personality traits which are also stereotypical traits for Jewish women.
First off Rapunzel doesn't mean lettuce, it's simply a type of lettuce. Specifically Lamb's Lettuce (I think its thats what its called in english).
With that nitpick out of the way, as a german person who grew up with the stories of rapunzel and the snow queen, seeing the disney movies that were loosly based on them was intresting.
To me it always just felt like they looked at the original story and decided to reference them heavily instead of actually adapting it and I didnt like it.
You can really tell that they simply wanted to make money. Of course they're still great stories but geez, they just really want all the money people can give them.
I feel like Tangled and Frozen deviate far more from their original source than most of the previous movies, and were renamed so that their relation to a fairy tale isn't as obvious.
Yeah, it’s not just “felt like”. They did heavily reference the stories without actually adapting them lol. Why is that a problem though? What makes you think it’s “money-grabbing” simply because you want to make a kid-friendly film? I’m no Disney stan but Idk it’s a pretty weird connect-the-dots to think wanting something dark for kids is fine.
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 are you trying to argue with me? (genuine question)
@@Rognik Definitely.
I don’t know why you think “they just wanted to get money” look any movie they want it to make profit. But it doesn’t mean they don’t care about the product because it’s different from some other version. I red (or was red to) the many versions first but that doesn’t mean I don’t love the Disney versions. I would have adapted things differently myself in some places like in Little Mermaid expecially but it doesn’t mean the movie version isn’t good or that the studio would have survived if it wasn’t a hit.
The video explains this too how bad place Disney was in, so they could not make a dark ending since it’s not something that’s popular. Snow White nearly bankrupted Disney and was called Disney’s folly and was huge artistic innovation. Cinderella needed to be hit or the studio could fall after WWII had caused Disney just make package films. Sleeping Beauty was made to be as gorgeous as possible to match Walt Disney’s ambition to matching the concept art for once for beauty and it initially lost money. Rapunzel was made when Disney was coming out to the 00s huge new dark age and it took nearly a decade to make and was outrageously expensive. Disney had acquired Pixar and if Lassater had not be been a fan of Disney animation studios too they might have stopped making fairytale films and Tangled needed to be a bit (Princess and the Frog and Winnite the Pooh flopping meant closing the traditionally animated production again, it had been closed once already after Home of the adage flopped).
So you can’t say it’s guaranteed these films make money or money doesn’t matter. It’s so expensive to make animated films that they need to make money back.
Fantastic essay! This channel is criminally underrated/underviewed for the number of subscribers. More please! :D
5:25 rapunzel getting pregnant with twins was in the first edition of Grimm's Märchen, they removed it in a later edition.
Rapunzel's wall art was meant to be reminiscent of 2D animation so the transition was easier for audiences
I was losing it at all the Michael Eisner jokes. Good job
There is actually one other Disney film from 1987 that rescued Disney from complete bankruptcy and shut down and that was The Great Mouse Detective.
I really enjoyed the video and thought the overall analysis was great. However, I really don't see any racial coding in Mother Gothel. In my little research, I found out she was hard for them to crack and they wanted a less traditional "bad for bad reasons" villain, her design was based off of Cher, and they wanted her to look very different from Rapunzel so that she and Rapunzel don't at all look like Mother Gothel. Besides this, I felt the rest was very insightful
Yea, this one had me puzzled, I was looking into it myself didnt fine anything. I wish she went into it more because I'm not seeing it.
Cher is Armenian though
Nicely done -- I enjoyed it from beginning to end, and you nicely put together many points that aren't surprising in retrospect, but I'm sure many, or most people (including me) haven't really put together. Kudos!
I'm not sure what you mean about Gothel being "racially coded." Rapunzel was a blonde. That's a longstanding tradition and they couldn't change that. They wanted to make Gothel as unsimilar physically as possible so that it would be obvious which person was the biomom at the end. And it was a European story so she had to be white. So against Rapunzel's blonde hair they gave her black hair. Curly hair wouldn't work for Rapunzel -- it could at mostly be slightly wavy -- so Gothel's hair had to be very curly. They decided that Rapunzel, being such a natural acrobat, needed a gymnast's body (hefty legs and butt, tiny bust) so they made Gothel busty and didn't give her the big thighs and butt of a gymnast or figure skater. Gothel's clothing is also about 600 years out of date, which indicates her age.
she was based on cher but people think she's supposed to be a negative jewish portrayal because people are SJWs and actively look to find something to be insulted by. cher is of albanian descent, not jewish. also nobody complains about gothel's daughter cassandra in the tv show despite sharing the same eye and hair color. people do the same thing for barbie movies. people who think barbie and tangled are antisemetic or insulting are also anti-blonde since they bring up Rapunzel, Barbie and Ken's hair colours.
@@finland4ever55 Barbie and Ken were blond because they were modeled after the children of the creators, Barbie and Ken. I'm sure that if their children had been brunettes then the Ken and Barbie dolls would have been brunettes as well.
@@thesisypheanjournal1271 The original girl, Barbie, actually did have brown hair, and two dolls were designed, one with brown hair and one with blond. The blond hair doll just sold better, so she became the official look of the Barbie doll.
My sister has hair as curly as Gothel’s and that’s all European descent. What about curly hair is linked to a race...? I was actually surprised to see you say Jewish because when they said ‘racially coded’ I was trying to think ‘what race???’ And Jewish didn’t cross my mind at all...
It’s not like there’s never been racial issues in other Disney movies to point out, idk why Tangled of all things should be dragged into that conversation when I doubt it’s true
Or maybe just maybe listen to jewish people when they say that it's an antisemitic stereotype ???
Hey, this showed up in my feed and I'm glad it did! I watch WAY TOO MUCH entertainment critical analysis and this was awesome, imo. The editing, the structure - it's all there and in longer form no less. Hitting it out of the park, love the takes. I am that exact right age millennial to have grown alongside the Disney Renaissance (1986 baby so Ariel was my first obsession) and the Princess merch was definitely structured for a younger set but definitely appealed to Millennials weird addiction to Nostalgia since we were young. I was nostalgic for the Little Mermaid by the time I was 14-15 in 2000-2001 so the branding of the now collection of princesses made sense to me, so I love seeing the broader picture of that with utilizing Rapunzel to solidify their dedication to computer animation and really dig deep into the Disney magic and pull off a real hit again right in their strike zone. Thanks for the vid :)
Thanks for the video. I'm obsessed with this movie and I watch every video essay about it I can find but this one offered a different kind of perspective.
I heard of the tale when I was a kid. so the changes that Disney did was surprisingly interesting. I was 15 when I watch it in theaters 4 the 1st time.
21:00 Sorry, but I gotta stop you right there. Eugene is in fact a prince. He's the prince of the dark kingdom, which is ruled by king Edmund. You really need to watch season 3 of "Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure"
True, but he technically isn't a prince in the movie as that reveal was made after the movie was made and released. Lol
@@littlearies3862 Sure, but since when does the time of this matter? The series is part of Eugene's and Rapunzel's story. And when it's said that Eugene is in fact a prince, then it also implies that he has always been a prince.
In a nutshell, the logic behind your entire argument is very incorrect.
@@Sebastian20745 Because he wasn't a prince in TANGLED. He is a prince in the lore created after but he isnt a prince in the movie. (Also, wasn't the kingdom technically destroyed, at least nearly?)
The logic is that he wasn't a prince in the movie and that is true-- Flynn, in the movie, was a pursumed orphan and thief. It's not illogical but a stated fact.
@@littlearies3862 No, he has ALWAYS been a prince. It DOESN'T MATTER when it was revealed! The reason why it wasn't mentioned in Tangled is because Eugene himself didn't know his true background. But in the series, there was someone who knew (King Edmund), and only when his character was introduced, we finally got to hear Eugene's past.
@@Sebastian20745 You realize the CONTEXT of saying "Eugene was not a prince in Tangled" is to explain why they made Rapunzel a princess for the DP lineup, right? To give example of things that changed around with the characters from the source to the movie... Like, it doesn't matter that in the lore he is a prince. In the movie, the plan was not to make him a prince.
That's all I'm saying, dude. The reason behind "he was not a prince" wasn't necessarily a snub towards the series, but a literal statement to which he was not actually planned to be a prince. Especially when the series came out, like, 7 years after the movie released (after 10 years of work).
It does matter and is a point.
Am I the only one who grew up with the original stories?
I never understood “dark original story that will ruin your childhood”, I’m like “this story was my childhood”
Like with Belle having two (greedy, selfish) sisters, Cinderella with the step sisters cutting off her toes and birds pecking out their eyes, Snow White with the poisoned comb, and rapunzel with the Prince being blinded
Those were my bedtime stories 😂
(Also Rapunzel is a type of lettuce, it isn’t the German word for lettuce)
i had a book of grimm's fairy tales as a kid (and when i was like 8 someone told me there were hundreds of versions of cinderella so finding other versions of fairy tales became a big interest of mine lol) so I grew up with lots of versions of the same story. i always kind of rolled my eyes at those "these dark origins of [insert disney film] will ruin your childhood!" headlines and kind of just laugh when i'd see people go on about how they learned the ~real~ story of the little mermaid or mulan and felt like disney lied to them
I grew up with a few classics and the grimms fairy tailes on nic jr so I was familliar with manny classics before being introduced to disney adaptations. It gave me a respect for the classics and not to give disney too much creddit. I actually grew up with programs like tv that would be considered too scary or graphic by todays kids. So the somewhat graphic parts of fairytail classic storries never bothered me.
the beginning confused me because.. i learned the version about how she was named after lettuce when i was little ahahaha
this was so informative in ways i didn’t even know i needed!
XD i spit all over my phone with the judge frollo line. XD omg i was not expecting the level of evil to go from petty to straight up EVIL
16:46 **cough cough** Meg **cough cough**
I was taught the original Grimm fairytales, so when my my friends at school were talking about Cinderella, I’d mention eyes getting pecked out by birds. So looking back I probably scared a few childhoods while I was a child myself 😂😂
Tangled is my favorite Disney fairy tale adaption and I loved how you broke down the original fairy tales and the princess movies preceding tangled, I had no idea the princesses was a whole branding thing but it makes sense cuz it’s Disney, dunno how i didn’t realize it sooner tbh
Anna and Elsa actually are officially Disney Princesses, they’ve also had coronations at the parks.
Coronations or not they literally aren't offical princesses; disregarding the fact that with the second movie they both are canonically queens, Disney reps have stated time and again that they aren't part of the lineup and will not be anytime in the foreseeable future. To paraphrase 'Frozen' performs to well as its own line for either character to be grouped into the lesser 'Disney Princess' line.
Technically, but Disney took them out of the line-up to start the Frozen line when they realized how popular Frozen was. I mean, Frozen II is one of the VERY FEW Disney sequels that got a theatrical release.
Gothel is racially coded how? As a dark-haired German woman? I was with you until that comment. You can't just make a claim like that and then hand-wave away any explanation. Europeans can have curly hair, and she looked just as "old-timey Europe" as any other character in the movie. The only feature that sticks out to me are her cartoonishly giant Yzma eyes; a trait found on no living human that I know of. So please explain to me what makes her different than any other character without revealing your own racial biases, assumptions, or stereotypes. Not trying to be antagonistic here, I just genuinely don't know what you're trying to get at with such a loaded remark. I've seen my fair share of racially caricatured characters (Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs, anyone?) and in no universe would I ever consider Mother Gothel one of them.
Mother Gothel is a part of a trend of Disney Villains who are racially coded as Jewish-- the dark curly hair, larger noses, while the good guys have button noses, lighter eyes, etc. It would not be that obvious in this movie alone if it wasn't for how often Disney, and children's media in general, does this (Snow White, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Peter Pan, the list really goes on). Mother Gothel is obviously meant to be very beautiful, but she is still characterized as evil by her facial features-- intentional or not. It's teaching kids to associate common Jewish features with evil, perpetuating anti-semitic bigotry that we still see a lot in adults today.
@@heba1806 I don’t think kids will learn about Judaism by big noses and curly hair. Most Jewish people don’t even have those common features anymore. Most parents probably wouldn’t understand the “racial coding” of it.
@@thelanktheist2626 Even if many ethnically Jewish people do not have those features, these movies are still stereotyping them. Regardless, many people do have one or several of those features and these movies demonize how they look. Just recently, Kamala Harris's stepdaughter was accused of supporting human rights abuses in Israel simply for "looking Jewish." They defended their point by saying that unlike "moral" Jews who have softer features, she had "evil" ones, which is obviously ridiculous but it's what they believed. Also, I can only speak for myself, but this dichotomy between protagonists and their villains was very clear to me as a child. Before I could consciously acknowledge it, I did make those associations that children's movies taught us to make despite having some of those features myself (although I'm not Jewish).
@@heba1806 Exactly which cultures even still talk about Jewish features? I live in Germany and Jews are never characterized by features, they are only described as members of a religion. There is no way for people to recognize Jewish characterisations in many countries because there Jews aren't defined by any physical attributes. Isn't that kind of view mostly outdated nowadays? I don't know anybody who would still regonize such characteristics as Jewish. Her face is a bit sunken in to portray a stylistically evil character, I doubt many would actually draw real-life parallels from this.
8:46 can I just say that lsoh is the best example of a Disney renaissance musical, without actually being Disney. This just shows how big an impact Ashman (and Menken) had on Disney.
Most of the types of songs are present
11:40 - The Opening- The Prologue (little shop of horrors) or Skid Row
12:01 - The Villain Song - Dentist! or (only in the movie’s case) Mean Green Mother from Outer Space
12:23 - The Romantic Duet - Suddenly Seymour
13:00 - The “I Want” Song - Grow For Me
There are several contenders for the Comedic Side Character Song but none of them really fit enough so I’m discounting it.
The “I Want” Song also applies ( a bit more so ) to Somewhere That’s Green.
The Princess and the Frog was a clever idea but what little girl dreams of being a frog for most of the movie? That's why it didn't do so well.
Wait who dreamed of the Tiana dream was to open a restrurant.
I mean, kids got warts from it, that’s a start.
wait were people supposed to imagine themselves in the roles of the princesses as kids
@@princembat I mean girls were supposed to but really if I imagined myself as a princess back then I was a warrior princess or something
Rupunzel doesn't mean salad in german but there is a type of salad called Rapunzelsalat. Close enough.
20:58 In a shocking turn of events, Disney's Rapunzel is royalty by both birth AND marriage as attested to by the TV show sequel
29:05 The man gets STABBED on screen lmao, how is that any better
Of everything presented in this video I'm still stuck on "Moana hasn't had an official coronation".
This was great Lauren! Highly enjoyable. I’d love to see a video on the villain issues you mention at the end! Also, what are the clips with all the princess together from? I’ve seen clips before but haven’t seen the whole thing
They’re from Wreck it Ralph 2
@@TheoreticalTH-camChannel We're all curious about the statement you made about Gothel being racially coded and I was just wondering if you are working on a video addressing that.
Apologies to Nerd In A Dress for using your comment for an unrelated question.
@@kenzijthey were referring to Gothel being coded as Jewish
@@garrettdonovan8238 Thanks I guess. Clearly none of us were considering Jews as a race 2 years ago.
This is so cool cause actually my first exposure to rapunzel was the Grimm's fairytale, so I was just comparing and contrasting to the movie while I watched it LMAO, I'm just so obsessed with fairytales especially Rapunzel characters, hell, even now my special interest is a Rapunzel-ish character so it's weird to think that others' first exposure was Disney!
Great video essay! The only thing I have to say is that Flynn Rider is technically a prince since it was revealed in Tangled the Series that his parents were the king and queen of the dark kingdom.
ON that note Brave is an original story, the bear and the bow was the working title before it became Brave. However, compared to the stories that was adapted Brave was pretty underwhelming I suppose at least compared to some of the others?
Thumb up for the first part, but I like the film, so it's not underwhelming for me! Director-until-Pixar-ousted-her Brenda Chapman created the story as a parallel to her relationship with her daughter.
Rapunzel was named after Lettuce? Finally, the Tokyo Mew Mew character isn’t the only one with that weird name anymore! 😂
You think that’s weird? Check out the names in Dragonball Z.
She isn't actually literally named 'lettuce'. Rapunzel is just a type of lettuce and another name for lamb lettuce that was used back in the day. In Germany today, Rapunzel would just be a normal name.
@@b.h.4249 yeah it’s probably like “rose” or “lily”, like a plant’s name turned to a girl’s name
This is so underrated I wish you got more attention
would a middle ground movie between twist villains and the "Disney Villains" be a movie that incorporates both and by the end, the hero and the "Disney Villain" work together surprising the hero, and the "Disney Villain" says "oh just because I tried to kill you, I'm automatically friends with all the bad guys?" (stolen from an Overly sarcastic productions Trope Talk on Magnificent Bastards)
So she’s named after the lettuce her Mom was jonesing for. Huh. I never knew about the name translation thing, so that’s a nice lil detail. ☺️
Jafar is redeemed Wicked style in the amazing Twisted by Team Starkid here on TH-cam. I *highly* recommend watching it. It follows Steven Sondheim's musical theatre style and I will never be able to watch Aladdin again without thinking about Twisted.
I’m so happy I found your content.
I learned a version that was pretty soft but not as quite soft as the Disney version. The prince was blinded, but the mom wanted the plant because she was having pregnancy cravings,
Idk about gothel being racially coded. She looks like Bernadette Peter's version of the rapunzel witch from the famous stage version of into the woods. I just assumed her design was very likely inspired from that. Not that I think disney is free of harmful racial coding, just not in this particular case. Otherwise, I agreed with everything else!
Yeah, I didn't understand that part either. What I've always heard and what I read is that they wanted Gothel and Rapunzel be side by side and you clearly can tell they aren't mother and daughter. On top of this, they based her design heavily on Cher. I've watched this movie several times and never once felt like Gothel was racially coded. Maybe I'm wrong, but I never saw it
Hey! I just wanted to point out that rapunzel doesn't mean lettuce in German. :)
In English the plant is called rampion bellflower, rampion, rover bellflower, or rapunzel.
The scientific name of the plant is campanula rapunculus, in case you wanna check it out.
Great video. :) It's a crazy reflection of 2021 TH-cam that you don't have more views and subscribers despite having been making videos for several years.
May the algorithm gods smile on you sooner or later. :p
Watched Tangled again recently (I remember enjoying it a lot as a child) and realized that Mother Gothel's kinda similar to the witch in Into the Woods.
In into the woods the beans that were stolen mean that witch is cursed with ugliness, and mother knows best has a similar message to children will listen. This might just be because they're both musical adaptations of the same story, but the Disney Into the Woods film was a few years after Tangled, and thinking about it is probably responsible in part for my love of musicals now.
Take this how you will, but I like the comparison, and both were made by Disney (albeit different departments) and released relatively close together considering the crossover. Thanks for the Into the Woods clips by the way!
okay rapunzel is not german for lettuce, its the name for the specific type of lettuce her parents stole
I grew up in Germany and as a child I hated fairytales because the german versions of them were so much scarier than the disney ones and I hadn’t even seen these
I honestly love the comparison to Tangled and Beauty and the Beast. I like how both villains have traits and are actual people that we can find in our daily lives. Also both are my top 2 fav Disney movies along with little mermaid.
great video i loved it and i love tangled
How is Mother Ghotel racially coded? Like, okay, curly black hair but like... There are white people with curly black hair. It's rare but it happens. If her hair is the only thing that's vaguely similar to people of color and her skin's not even dark, she's super pale. And her voice actor is white, and she doesn't have an accent or a personality that matches any racial stereotypes that I know of... Is this just about her hair?
Wait Moana was added to the official Disney princess list! Moana is an official Disney princess! AND she's an original character. So yeah, you're kinda wrong in your analysis that the princesses aren't new characters.
Merida is an original character too
“The Bear and the Bow” isn’t what the story is based on, it’d the working title of “Brave”, it’s not something separate from the movie
Technically we don’t know if it actually means lettuce. It’s what historians guess. It’s a good guess. Knowing fairytales it’s likely. Just saying this as a grain of salt.
It’s another word for „Feldsalat“ wich is a type of lettuce. It’s a synonym for that type of lettuce in the German dictionary.
Though Disney was my first it was not my only exposure to any of Disney’s classic princesses. My mom was morbid and once I got old enough she told me most of the originals though she did leave some details out so the origin stories never really shocked me. Except Chinas version of Cinderella. I think that’s the oldest known one. That one was a shock mostly the origin
27:47 Error about racial coding by intent. Artists said they tried to show Rapunzel & Gothel not at all related. Head shape, eyes, hair colour ... compare with Rapunzel vis-à-vis the Queen.
hi, this is my first time watching you! i just wanted to say i LOVE the way you explain everything :)
Personally I think the mother had a craving for whatever it was in the witch’s garden because she was pregnant. That or the witch had enchanted her garden to be irresistible to certain people.
It was the first one as far as I remember. The mother was pregnant and wanted to eat the Rapunzels, so the father got it for her.
I remember reading Doraemon and seeing the main character read The Little Mermaid a friend’s little sister or something. I was _very_ confused when the mermaid died at the end. But of course she did, the manga was made way before Disney’s Little Mermaid, so that version of the story was the given at the time. That seriously blew my mind lol.
I could have sworn there was a version when I was a kid where the witch did steal the child. And there was one where she was a princess and she fell in love with a thief. Definitely remember that part. And the their fell off the tower and went blind because of thorns.
I actually had a book of all the old fairytales put together.. so the prince fell from the tower went blind and Rapunzel gave birth to twind alone
Rapunzel is kind of lettuce it doesn‘t literally mean lettuce. I‘m german btw.
I know both stories, but only because I used to be OBSESSED with the film so I got a book on it
I love this video!! So well done :D
Thx :D im using your video to help myself write an assignment for college :3
Ironically, this was a final for one of MY college courses
You should do more video essays
Are you going to do videos on the original stories how Disney based their movies on.
I was also wondering if the twist villains were an attempt to avoid racially coded villains!!! Honestly, though, I think this film in particular would have benefitted from Gothel actually looking like Rapunzel! Rapunzel is smart, so she'd probably question why she looks different from Gothel, but if they looked the same, there's nothing to question (bonus points if you keep her bio parents with brown hair, and both her and Gothel are blonde) Also, I think it would tie in better thematically with the messages about abuse because it emphasizes the *behavior* as evil instead of endorsing any preconceived notions about what "evil" people look like (don't even get me started on how the way we visualize "evil" people is rooted in unconscious biases against minorities)
Yeah, the concept art for the movie had Gothel look more similar to Rapunzel and less stereotypically Jewish-looking
Oh my poor soul, I was so confused when I first saw the Disney versions,it wasn't traumatizing me,they miss the flavour
Idk does me being from Europe have anything to with me seeing Grimm's fairy tales first
I think it does. I'm from Europe as well and everyone that I know has read or seen the original versions of those fairytales.
Fun act, rapunzel is considered a flop, especially considered how expensive the movie was
8:34 The gays saved Disney and they still betrayed us 🥺
"She did'nt want to raise Rapunzel because she wanted a daugther" Double yess **see rapunzel's tangled adventures in the corner*
Proud of Your Boy is an amazing I want song (from Aladdin)!
For sure! And an Ashman original
Her understanding of history is lacking (problem of modern times?) . Especially in case of the Grimm brothers and their acadamic work and their goal in writing down oral history.
Otherwise, an entertaining video.
Even when Rapunzel hasn't been a popular princess in Latin America before Tangled, it just came to my mind a creepy version from that random Alf cartoon show! 🤔... 18:30 Lord Farquaad's cuote! 😆
Wait, so “into the wood” is a real one? It isnt also a somekind made up on like disney???
i read the Grimm version I was an Adult when Tangled came out
Not them saying the snow queen is an unknown fairytale.... 😐
I loved this essay and now I need more information. I never knew that Mother Gothel was racially coded. How so?
Me, as a child who loved the Black Cauldron: ...........................nothing to see here >u>;;
How is Gothel race-coded?
The first time I ever heard of raps was from miss Barbie 🥺❤️
Amazing video!
amazing video!!! I loved it!
Please don't hate me for asking but could someone please explain to me how Gothel is racially coded? It's not something I've ever picked up on and I want to know what it is that you've noticed that suggests racial coding. Thanks
People say that cause she’s got black, curly hair, and a larger nose, that she’s based off Jewish stereotypes
But honestly, I don’t see it, pretty sure they based her off Cher (who isn’t Jewish)
I think this falls into people looking for things to be mad about
don't americans read books to their toddlers? because I am Turkish and I have been read to and read myself, all the original versions of these european fairytales, along with eastern tales of course. I have also grew up with watching all the disney classics, so how is watching a cartoon limits people from the act of reading, I can't understand.
I think you're the only one with a problem with how non twist villains are written
In welcher Region heißt Rapunzel Salat?
Ich glaube, es ist nur ein alter Begriff für eine bestimmte Art von Salat. Nicht unbedingt ein Synonym für Salat.