@@martinperry5072 and somebody just download mods to add more blood to its own play-through. We are not the same. Let people choose how they want to play.
Tbf the m rating has always been nonsensical and illogically inconsistant, there is no good reason halo 4 is M, or why doa is m while ivy in soul calibur 4 is Teen, or why is burnout 3 teen like most of the Arkham games while all the other burnouts are rated Everyone, or why is Arkham knight m while joker burning black masks girlfriend alive with a Molotov in origins rated teen
It's not M for adults, it's M for Mature (17+) The adult rating would be A (18+) Even though there's a reference for the woman being able to smell period blood after she was done being sick for a week, wtf? They use it as a coating to lure kids in so they can push this crap onto them without parents knowing.
Want to be even MORE angry about the writing and what could have been? True story… The writer that CREATED Varric put up such a fight over trying to keep his character consistent with the past entries in the series that BioWare got tired of it and just fired the writer, and Varric is killed off literally out of spite right at the start of the game. His last “true” appearance will now always be in the Dreadwolf prequel comics. Edit: Oh and uh… spoilers I guess for Veilguard big “shocking” twist. My bad
Don't you dare forget the Shitquisition. DA2 had 18 months to explain why it's not as great as Origins, yet even that outclasses Inquisition in any, every and all aspects. How in god's name does a boss in a DLC have better story, arc, environment and gameplay than an entire end-fucking-game built-up villain, I could never understand...
@@jgg6932the game was excruciatingly mediocre with some of the most boring characters to ever exist in a video game also tons of DEI bullsht that flew past everyones head at the time
Can we also talk about how the Qunari use have this intimidating presence. They were molded through physical pain into these beasts that didn't take crap from anyone. Even their horns looked like they tore through the skin and bone and looked painful. And now they just look like humans with a snapchat filter on.
Have you played DAO recently? They literally look like humans. (yes I know there was limitations at the time with the horns but even their face doesn't look different from humans) Also like most of the comments here say, at the time people disliked DA2 because the combat was so dumbed down for console.
@TheQueenskingdom like you said, because of limitations but they were meant to look like the games after. They don't have any limitations and yet went backwards. And with DA2 it's a mute point because veilguard combat is atrocious itself.
This. Is. It. I don't care what you identify as, you do you. But please stop making it both your whole personality and shoehorning it into absolutely everything. An analogy: I like ice cream, but if someone I knew became obsessed with ice cream, talked about it constantly, forced it into every conversation, I'd eventually say "hey, so can you shut up about ice cream already? Please?". No, I don't hate ice cream, I'm not ice cream-phobic. You just went too far with it.
@@LukaBlight69 Carver has been judged too harshly by the fans. Carver would roast the hell out of Trash and compare them to Anders. By the way, I was gonna say 'Taash' but TH-cam autocorrected it to 'Trash', even TH-cam agrees that they're trash. 😂
I don't completely agree. If your whole thing is ice cream but every time it's featured it's done so well, so smartly, so interestingly - dang, my relationship with ice cream would change. You move people with stories, dang it.
Nah man, it was The Ancient Elven Gods, Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain all along... what was shocking was that they were destined to rise from Solas's Ritual. The ritual that he talked about in DA:I. That Ritual that Varrick hired you to stop, because stopping the Ritual was the whole premise of this game!! The RITUAL!! That Varrick hired you to stop... that Ritual... That allowed the Ancient Elven Gods, Elgar'Nan and Ghilan'nain to escape... RItual... Oh and the Artifacts... 🤣🤣😭😭
@@Bignuke87Again can someone explain to me what was the point of that "push-ups" scene? Why did they put that in the game? Why??????? Who was this made for????
Actually, I can. Peter weekes was literally quoted like a year or two ago saying on twitter he wishes he could make everyone who misgenders someone do pushups. Then they literally put his(?) Power fantasy INTO THE GAME!@@DylanOakley-v3k
The sequence of Isabella doing push-ups while getting on a soap box about how apologies work is *why* I believe the writers wrote the characters after *themselves* . We can't disagree or offend any of the characters because the writers *are* the characters. How Bellara physically recoiled in horror when Isabella "misgenders" Taash is how they expect (and demand) people to react to that. The desire to be "treated like everyone else" is just wanting to be treated as an equal in society and that is the baseline of expectation from one human to another. That is equality. No more no less. What is *unreasonable* is saying that's not good enough and expecting/demanding special treatment and special consideration FROM everyone else and THAT is what people have a problem with. Thats aligned with the fallacy your feelings are everyone else's responsibility to manage, placate, etc.. "You HAVE to affirm me". You HAVE to treat me different from everyone else otherwise you're a bad person. You don't want to be treated EQUALLY, you want to be treated SPECIAL.
Its b/c that claim has always been a sham, they've never wanted to be treated like everyone else b/c by and large they already were. Being judged by your appearance is something literally everyone has to deal with, and learning to deal with it in healthy ways is part of growing up, or I guess it usually is. Most people aren't one thing or another they wish they could be, the rest of us have to make peace with that. Why should we be coerced into helping people unwilling to do what everyone else does, lie to themselves? I mean unless the person is having physical hallucinations that they have sexual organs they don't have, everything else we associate with being a man or a woman is cultural. When someone with gender dysphoria says "I just feel like a man/woman", I think "well what does that mean to you? Why do you need to be a man/woman to be those things?"
That scene is repugnant. It has absolutely nothing to do with pronouns. It's just bullying and social jockeying. Someone making a trivial, human mistake now has to humiliate and prostrate themselves to acceptably apologize. And notice it wasn't even Trash who pointed it out. Nope, the other characters have to white knight on Trash's behalf, because of course non-binary people have no agency of their own and it's the responsibility of normies to correct themselves. Also, of course, a simple "My bad" isn't enough. Nor is a gushing "I'm so sorry" because that "takes attention off the non-binary person". But doing ridiculous pushups, which also takes the attention away, is permitted, since it's also humiliating. All because someone momentarily didn't counteract a lifetime of pronoun use and make a special exception for this one person. These are utterly ridiculous Calvin Ball rules. I've known LGBTQ and trans people most of my life and not one single one was hung up on this BS except the ones who changed their orientation like the wind for attention. 9/10 it was the straights just trying to one-up each other with "calling it out" to "prove" they care more than the next one. And what could be the ultimate proof but to cram this sh-- into a Triple-A game. Whoever wrote this trash probably sees themselves as the most virtuous in all the land, the ultimate feather in their cap. If anyone ever calls them out for anything they can point to this moronic claptrap scene as their undefeatable UNO reverse card.
Unless of course that person is a woman with big boobs, then they not only deserve no consideration, but apparently, must be rendered an impossibility.
When you make a game that's inclusive and progressive, you can't include the option to be mean to said characters because they know people will pick them.
*Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods have entered the chat* "Are you talking about us, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods?"
I just realized why the devs kept saying their names.... it's because they don't want to use "He" "she" "They" pronouns. It's clear they are avoiding any such pronoun and trying to normalize this kind of dum dum language.
@@xjustsomeguyx1554 "It doesn't matter if you did speak ill of us, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods. We, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods, are going to anihilate your pathetic universe anyway. That's how we, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods, are."
Just realised by writting these lines how Joe feels after saying "Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods" so many times. My therapist's gonna love this s*** about Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods.
This game is the definition of safe edge. It has this facade of being a sexy mature adventure but then the characters start talking/interacting and you think you're watching some Saturday morning cartoon.
The hilarity of intentionally drawing attention to someone being referred to as “they” then calling them a she during the memorial scene for said character brings a tear to my eye
This game is Anime writing at its finest.. over explaining everything, bad humor, bad story development, bad character arcs, etc.. you can tell the director watches nothing but anime
@@PuppetMaster-Blade It's kind of unfair to over-generalize anime writing though. You're probably thinking of the recent low-effort isekai stuff. Mature and well-written anime shows exist, such as Ergo Proxy, Ghost in the Shell, Black Lagoon etc....
Wow, those "flirting" scenes are literally what kids are like around 3rd or 4th grade... "Wow, your hair is pretty" "Really?" *blushes* "Are you blushing?" "Noooo..." WTF?! These are supposed to be ADULTS!
Here is the plot twist: this game was made by Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, and guess what? They succeeded at destroying the world of Dragon Age. They were so powerful that they even managed to piss people off across the Fourth Wall.
@@GuillermoArmasErosa Turns out that they are so good at being villains that in order to win, they needed to ruin the lore so even if they die at the end of the game, it won't matter 🤣
Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain* succeeded at destroying the world of Dragon Age. Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain* were so powerful that they even managed to piss people off across the Fourth Wall.🤣🤣🤣
A quote from Dragon Age: Origins sums my opinion of Veilguard up quite nicely: "The true abomination is not that it occurred, but that it was allowed."
@@glenferrieroadhawthorn Hahaha, I was banned from there because I wrote negative about Veilguard (& I guess a few other of us too. XD) and I am proud of it! :D :D :D XD
Its not a bad game and go so far to say its actually a high 8/10 . As an action/adventure RPG hybrid its pretty damn good. But after BG3 I think any AAA RPG is going to struggle to foster a decisions have consequences on the world in a mass market format which DAV obviously is. The story is better than any abstract From Software rubbish but feels like it was written by people raised on Marvel Movies. Everyone just speaks their emotions and makes endless non sequitur quips.
@@whatfruit7965 did you just take a shot at from soft? They literally never released a bad game but you want to compare DAV to them? You're hilarious.
Evil Guy: "I'm going to kill all of you!" *Dialogue Choice > 'Savage Comeback [Intimidation]'* Player Character: "Well that's just like, your opinion man"
Well you see a few stone hands reaching out from under the ground, I think LOL. All I had to do is look up the writing team and it all makes perfect sense why it went so wrong.
As a massive DA fan, I pushed through this one and was screaming inside with pretty much every line of dialogue. Felt like most lines (legitimately, most) were aimed at ages 5-10. Like...would've fit in with Dora the Explorer or Sesame Street, completely undercutting the more serious moments. It hurt so much.
I still can't believe those hack writers destroyed the entire southern region of the world, just so they didn't have to worry about player choices carrying over from past games .
That wasnt the writers, the game director recently said in an interview that they didnt want to handle each variation and felt restricted. Leadership makes these choices.
@marcialhd You know the places and people in Dragon Age: Origins, 2, and Inquisiton? They're all dead and got destroyed by the Blight. Everything, every choice, from those 3 games are completely invalidated in Veilguard. Fereldan destroyed, Kirkwall destroyed, etc.
Eh. That's like saying you knew Mass Effect Andromeda was going to be bad because it wasn't called Mass Effect 4. Nah, the trailer for Veilguard was clearly an appeal to "funny and quirkly adventure characters with a pixar-like design" and that's what started this entire pain train of reviews even before the game was out. The funny part is that Dragon Age 2 was criticized the exact same way because it was a huge change from Origins. But here we are, people are actually saying DA2 and DA3 were great compared to this game. How times have changed.
@@be0wulfmarshallz the first 2 games had great ratings and reviews, there will always be something to criticize about anything. Nothing is perfect, however, this game was absolute trash. And the majority of fans agree. It is what it is.
@@be0wulfmarshallz Did Dragon Age 2 also flopped so hard that within it's launch week it got it's DLC cancelled and development team disbanded? Also you're being disingenuous, DA2 complains were that the game story and gameplay were simplified but it still retained it's dark fantasy setting, while Veilguard not only did away with dark fantasy but the dialogue is so dumbed down to the point the characters are supposed adults and talk like middleschool brats and since the game _can't offend anyone_ they took any evil dialogue options.
"It's like they think you're stupid" No Joe, no. The writers and directors brought in after the scrapping of the 2014-2018 build and team(which was headed by Mark Laidlaw so it would have been properly dark fantasy and lore appropriate) are just that unqualified for their jobs.
this game is a live service skin turned into a lazy crappy single player experience after the live service fad died and they changed strategy mid development
13:45 I think what made the combat frustrating for me was invisible companions that the enemy completely ignores... so youre stuck 1v25 half the time while your companions do next to 0 damage and arent even a useful distraction... you can cheese any fight by running around waiting for combos to reload to detonate and do damage, anything other than a warrior build is pain since everything agros you endlessly. I also hate the story concept that you have 2 ancient elven gods hell-bent on destroying the world with Blight and the only thing actively fighting them is a tiny group of "veilguards"... in Inquisition you built up an entire Faction/Army big enough to rival an Empire to fight what is essentially 1/10th the threat... Nobody takes you seriously, the Wardens ignore you, when clearly something is wrong when the entire South is under siege. Nobody but a bunch of borderline criminal secret society type organizations are willing to help... there is 0 conversation or debate around the ethics of said organizations and you just magically take on gods that dominated the ancient world for thousands of years until one of their own worked against them... shit game
@@FurbleBurble He would have killed him anyway, or else forced him to drink, because no one was allowed to know about the secret ritual. (At least that's the way I remember it.)
THANK YOU. I might be new to Dragon Age but I just played Origins and the whole Joining is super secretive for a reason. Meanwhile, we've got Davrin just spilling to everyone and apparently you can be a Grey Warden now without doing the Joining, too. You also can opt out with no repercussions. Also, sure would've been nice if we had that villain show up in Origins to suck up the archdemon instead. Talk about watering down the Dark Ritual or if you do sacrifice someone.
@@FurbleBurble It is implied that few survive the ritual, so it wouldn't make sense to go on with it knowing the odds are against you. But the catch is... No one knows the odds because the ritual is secret. The way it works is a grey warden will recruit you if they believe you have a chance to become one. Here, you may accept or refuse their offer. However, once you get to the point where they explain to you how the ritual works (drinking the blood), you cannot back out of it anymore. You can either accept and drink or refuse, in which case they will kill you on the spot to keep the details of the rituals secret.
Don't forget this game was made by millennials. These are the people who don't like dodgeball because it's too violent. Conflict needs to be talked about. Words hurt
I miss dark, weird, body horror, fucked up Dragon Age... I miss it a lot. That darkspawn broodmother was nightmarish. Bioware forgot what made Dragon Age a GOAT of the RPG genre.
I liked the game overall but I’m surprised you didn’t mention that none of your choices from previous games matter at all. Southern Thedas is screwed and nothing we’ve ever done helps it. None of our companions have cameos or quests based if they survived previous instalments. Is Architect helping with the blight? I let him live but that’s completely inconsequential. What is Hawke doing (if you didn’t left the, in the fade)? No idea, the game doesn’t care so why should you. And weirdly, we don’t hear anything from the Chantry, the same chantry that just found out swaths of chant of light are complete bulls**t. The game really said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why are they all sitting around tables in every conversation? It feels so weird... Like they are in shceduled corporate Meetings. This people have no idea what to do in fantasy, they just turned the party into an office team...
@@AgentLemmon have you played other games? You dont just constantly book meetings with the entire group. You talk to them 1 on 1, and then there are some cases were you have mission briefings with the hole Squad before pivital moments in the story. This game, from what i see, and yes i have not played it, you have regular meetings with the hole Squad. Everyone has to say something, and thus repetition. It looks like an Agile Daily meeting... Its an unnatural way of doing it
@@_Azurael_ Yeah, i have been playing game since 1986 lol. The meetings are always contextual after missions or happenings that wararant those meetings before missions, and it isn't all the time. Also, about the woke nonsense which lets be real that is what the whole hate bandwagon is mostly about, i played about 30 hours now and still didn't come across that convo. Yeah ,the dialogue can be cringy, and somtimes childish, although i experienced that in previous DA titles too, but less so. Yes the action is more like DA2 but far better. The game is polished AF. It's a decent 7, or a 6 - 6,5 when considering it's a dragon age game. It's nowhere near as bad as youtube would want to make you think.
The most fun thing about this game is seeing how Baldur's Gate 3 has the same number of simultaneous players every day as the peak of this Dragon age, more than 1 year later
@@rileymachelle4088THIS is a rpg where you can make your own choices, even though some people try to argue that the previous ones had more freedom, compared to Dragon Age it is unfair because it is so superior
@@futrecacaoim literally replaying BG1 right now and i know the first two were made by og bioware and holy crap the difference is insane with Veilguard
I just bought BG3 on the sale...I wish it was a lil more discounted than 20% - but its worth it for me to tell them they are doing things right. Im pumped to try it out
Bioware recently admitted that there will not be any remasters of the original Dragon Age games because literally nobody their knows how to read the source code. Who the hell actually "thought they still had it in them" to make anything actually worth playing?
@@MlnscBoo I mean, isn't the new one on a different engine than the old ones? Not all coding is the same as far as I know. Now I definitely think that it would have been worth having some of their people LEARN it.
It's such a dumb excuse from them. Like idk maybe hire some people to learn the code? Bring back someone who knows the code? EA the multi billion dollar cooperation couldn't spare anyone for that?
@@remrad4315 VG and Inquisition both Run on EA/Dice Frostbite Engine, ( an Engine that was no made with RPGs in mind i might add,) its why Andromeda and Inquisition had rough patches in development because the teams had to make entire new suites to the engine to allow things like inventory ect. because FB was made for Battlefield games.
this is going to be impossible, I don't know what we're going to do. Rook, we released the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. I know, I don't even know how to approach taking on the ancient Elven Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan with Soless. Are you guys talking about the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan, that were recently released when you defeated Soless? Yes, that is exactly who we're talking about. We were talking about the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Oh, I got a book; it's all sorts of crazy stuff about the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. A book? A book like that could help us defeat Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. That's true. Can you please get us the book of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan? Name it, can you get us the book? Yeah, yeah, it's right here. Oh, thank God! It's called The Ballad of the Ancient Elven Gods Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. It's right there, but are you sure this is the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan? That's right. It could be somebody different, a different Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Name it! No, it says ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Oh, ancient Elven Gods, then this has to be it. Let's check here and see if there's a chapter on where we can defeat the Ancient Elven Gods. Right here, of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. It's right here, Joe, this whole time! Perfect, that's it, now we finally have what we need to defeat Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. That's right. Do you want Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan to be defeated? Yeah, but I want my book back. Don't worry, we will give you back your ancient ballad on the Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan, just as soon as we defeat the Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan, the ancient Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. I'm sorry, the ancient Elven Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Do you have anything else to add? No. Let us go on this adventure. No, let's finish our quest to defeat Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Let's go. Bye, boys, enjoy your quest to defeat the Ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Name it, sir, do I need to pay you for this amazing book on how to defeat the Ancient Elven Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan? It's like a library, you just put your name in there, and as long as you bring it back within two weeks, um, it's fine. Okay, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, guys don't want the libraries work.
What Ancient Elven Gods? Do you mean the Ancient Elven Gods of Elgernan and Gilligan? Yes they seem to be having fun doing the skit about the Ancient Elven Gods Elderman and Guillermo.
@@aistikasmursu9432 I do in fact mean the ancient elven gods Enderman and Lemonade. Oh no... the ancient elven gods Albion and Lebanon are standing right behind me aren't they?!
Yea, I don't think I can forgive them, EVER for this. Making her a puppet for some Elf ghost. Something she spend 3 FUCKING GAMES staying away from. Fuck this game It is not canon.
I feel like the fact I was able to finish Andromeda and still find ways to enjoy it (played it after the patches) but couldn't do that with The Veilguard just makes me so depressed as a Bioware fan. It doesn't even feel like they tried to build off Inquisition. Everything feels smaller and worse in every aspect and I hate it.
When a game has "dialogue options" that read as one thing, but when you choose it, it says something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT is PROOF of FAKE BRANCHING DIALOGUES!!
Here's one thing that is truly exasperating about Veilguard: It has forced the bar so low for what a Dragon Age game is. Despite me really disliking Dragon Age 2 so much that I dropped it after a while (and admittedly not having played Inquisition to date), those sequels are so astoundingly more "Dragon Age" than this mess that I'm actually a little bit eager to go back and give them another chance.
Yea they don't know how to do better. The old devs, the old school guys, knew how to do Conan The barbarian levels of gameplay. The new Devs probably don't even know who Conan is.
@@MartinOReilly-mb4um Why nobody taught them is beyond me. It is important to share your knowledge to the next generation so that they preserve the quality of their predecessors. But doesn't happen all the time sadly.
@@Deliveredmean42 I don't think they wanted to know. They clearly must've looked at the original Dragon Age and they didn't like it cos it was too `manly`. Violent, bloody, mean, horrible- think of it from the pov of a feminist woman or girly man. And so they ignored all of that and changed all of it to what THEY like: inoffensive, girly, colorful, bloodless, the sims kind of banal bland stuff. that's how I see it.
You know, I actually think this is the correct take. They clearly don't give a shit about players, and have said so as loudly and obnoxiously and often as possible on socials and in dev Q&A's. This is a game made specifically for THEM, not us.
10:05 In origins you start the game playing through a massacre, you can make a daughter behead her own father and women are kidnaped by darkspawn to bred more monsters. In Veilguard on the other hand you can fulfill your dream of becoming a Disney princess.
@@assa-eu4kq well mind you that breeding in this case means literally turning them into huge breeding mothers by force feeding them blighted corpses...
Going back to Origins or even Inquisition and it feels so... freein. Especially Origins with how many choices you have during dialogue. Sarcastic? Friendly? Or outright evil? Dow what want
I didn't play dragon age Inquisition, until about a year ago, when I noticed it was free to play on the xbox pass or whatever. I was in the mood for that type of game, so I gave it a shot. Absolutely loved it couldn't get enough, I 100%Ed that game. I did everything that there was to do. I was very sad when I was finished. And then one day I see a video talking about dragon age, veil guard, Saw a little preview. I knew better than to get super excited Because that's just how things work now with video games. But I thought, How can they really ruin this? I mean, aside from the obvious, like changing all the characters into being super woke, They have everything they need to make a good game. Just build on what worked before, Optimize it, Improve it maybe. Be a little bold here and there and try some new stuff. That improves the experience maybe. But the story and the characters. It's not like you're building from scratch. It's like a book series, You're just continuing the story, Whether it's the end of the story or just another saga. In the story doesn't matter. But lo and behold. They dun fucked it up.
I honestly don't get a good 90% of his takes on this one. While I do think the dialogue is a bit more tame, I actually am finding Rook quite personable overall. Same with the other characters. I don't actively dislike anyone-where I wanted to punt Sarah from Inquisition off the map. Don't get me wrong, there are real complaints to be made about this latest entry. I feel like Joe missed almost all of them so he could rant about pretty subjective small topic points.
@arkainin4638 I think that's my biggest problem... everybody is just happy and gets along... nobody has any convictions or beliefs, the good guys are good guys and bad guys are bad guys... inquisition had annoying characters because I disagreed with them and their beliefs, here everyone feels like a carbon copy of rook's beliefs but with different accents and looks... even when I condemn a followers city to be destroyed by a dragon he is agreeable and not upset in the slightest at me... which is ridiculous, even if you ultimately understand only 1 can be saved you would be pissed tf off that it wasn't your city chosen 😂 dialogue is flat, characters are uninteresting, you return to the same areas again and again, they can't even be bothered to make a new arena to fight said dragon in... its just an extension to the 1st fucking area from the intro... the only improvement from Inquisition was the combat system. The gear system is worse, the characters are worse, story sucks, maps suck, its just an average game at every stage.
@@IntusMortuum I don't know what you're talking about. I chose Minrathos and the other guy left my party for a good while, cut off the romance thread with my character, had his abilities permanently changed, and has been kind of a dick ever since. Yeah, he's not been outright antagonistic, but let's be honest, said character is also a killer for hire who understands the realities of the situation even if he dislikes them and he took on a contract for us, so he'd not just leave. There are issues with this game. I'd prefer a more robust inventory/weapon system. I'd prefer not to find items almost exclusively from chests or quest rewards. I think you're also being more critical of certain elements than others, or past entries, however. That's really my entire issue with Joe's review. He spent the whole video whining about rather small personal gripes instead of reviewing the game on any objective measure. You here have done a better job than he didi in 40 min.
Me a year ago - Man I hope Dread Wolf is good so that we get a new mass effect Me Now - Man I hope that Bioware gets shut down before they can touch mass effect
I read someone say that if I don't like Veilguard, it's because the game wasn't made for me. But that's exactly the problem-it should have been made for fans like me, the ones who love Dragon Age. Instead, it feels like it's catering to a temporary audience that may not even stick around. If you want to experiment, create a new medieval fantasy RPG with its own identity and go wild. But when you're working with the Dragon Age IP, don't completely change everything for no reason. It's frustrating and disrespectful to longtime fans.
Listen, just because you played through DA: Origins 12 times and DA: Inquisition 5 times, doesn't mean you're actually a fan. Stop being a gatekeeping phobic neckbeard!
Been waiting for a worthy successor since 2009. I hope my Warden never found a cure for the Calling so he wouldn’t have to see what would become of the world he saved.
Inquisition was already way more high fantasy but had a couple of dark parts. The next Dragon age will be a Nickelodeon cartoon with romances being a kiss on the cheek and enemies falling down dramatically before the weapon/spell hits
Inquisition got a lot of hate and that was understandable because it just didn't compare to Origins, I was a little disappointed but I still enjoyed that game and must have at least put 100 hours with all the DLCs included. I am going to put 0 hours into Veilguard
Inquisition was trying to tick Dragon Age Origins boxes while trying to hold on to its Dragon Age 2 inheritance, that's why it failed to fully satisfy both audiences. But it was a good enough game on its owm that it got more new players interested in the franchise, and it ticked enough boxes for veteran players that we were all gunning for a sequel. And we got this. We gotta let go, OG Bioware isn't coming back.
For now on, I’ll consider Inquisition + Trespasser as the final Dragon Age game(especially for a cliffhanger) after seeing this joke of a sequel. Glad I didn’t spend money on this disappointment. God help us from Mass Effect…
And Commander Shepherd is going to stop evil space pirates led by Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain from spreading hate speech and micro transgression. Teaching the right pronouns to kids all over the galaxy.
Pretty sure BioWare destroyed that franchise with _Mass Effect 3_ and the wretched endings they kept tripling down on. Everything else since then has just been the series wandering around like a zombie that doesn't know it's already dead.
@@jerimiahjackson4235 I'll admit there were some great moments that paid off the choices made in past games (curing the genophage with Mordin was the peak). But too much of the rest felt like it reduced the decisions and characters' impact into pointless exercises. Save or kill the Rachni Queen? Only difference is a few extra points in war assets and different intro scene. Points that are easily acquired throughout the rest of the game and multiplayer from doing much smaller side content. Did you confront Ashley about her xenophobic outlook on intergalactic cooperation? Doesn't matter, because most of her entire character arch in the first two games is ignored and changed to "Special Forces Soldier Barbie with an Alcohol Problem." Did you save or destroy the Collector base? Doesn't matter because Cerberus (which is now a full-blown army capable of waging open war across the galaxy instead of sneaky black ops organization) still salvages something from it. And if you did save it, all it amounts to is, like the Rachni, a few extra war asset points. And that's not even mentioning how much the writing removed the menace and mystery the Reapers had. Now they're just the puppets of a faulty Starbrat AI made by off-brand Lovecraftian space cuttlefish
@@alexschott2092 I agree with pretty much everything you said here except the last part. Reapers are absolutely still a menace throughout the game. The starchild stuff only comes up at the very end. The game does a very good job at portraying the unrelenting horror of a full-scale reaper invasion from start to nearly the finish. Even most of the sequences on Earth in the end play well to this. It's only once the skybeam is in sight that their portrayal turns outright silly.
Those are fair criticisms at least but this game is an abomination. They took Dragon Age, killed it and then stuffed it's corpse with disney animations and DEI agendas.
It's crazy how the game is rated M for mature but the design is PG-13 like what kid is looking at this and saying "Yes, this game" They did this with World of Warcraft for some reason too. Only people playing that game are boomers and gay boomers.
29:42 Wait, wait, wait. So, you disney-fy your franchise to have no blood, and you can't be even remotely rude in dialogue because you don't want to scar the kids, but you also have a character saying she can smell your clunge? Do you not see how braindead that sounds, Bioware?
i played far worse than this trash, they probably use this garbage for grooming purposes since how much woke is in it especailly Taash going by They, like fuck off
Well, it's definitely stunning. Brave even.... stunning in the fact that the game doesn't let you role play. Brave in that they released it with such bad writing.
@@Lwis I think they were mocking the fact that a majority of mainstream reviewers used those exact words like copy pasted all over.. "return to form" 🤣
That is not an unrealistic theory you got there. That can happen. I see that on terminally online people all the time that they don't just act online the ways they do but offline as well.
Me playing city female elf rogue origin: escaping a human douchebag house covered in tons of blood and decapitating the fucker in the end with my two daggers. And that was just a simple prologue.
@@cjnf11 In the first town you kill an entire group of men over a disagreement in a bar and have a conversation with the owner as the thugs bleed out on the ground next to you. When you first come upon the warhound the owner is about to cut his throat because he doesn't want to watch the dog succumb to the sickness. Hell, they make you choose between killing a possessed child or trying to find a way to exorcise him. Dragon Age was built upon harsh realistic examples about the fleeting nature of life in a dark struggling world.
Shouldn't be hard. The game, from what I understand, takes so many liberty's with the lore it's basically an alt-universe. Gilhan'nain was goddess of the woods and I remember reading a whole codex about her being tricked by a hunter and left for dead. Whereas here she is some sort of Dr. Mengele, immoral scientist character. Like, wtf is this?
Yea especially since Veilguard its basicaly a reboot but instead of restarting the universe they just purged every area of every single past game so that every past choice or story of previous games is invalid
I wouldn't review shit like this unless I had Jack Daniels sponsoring me. Seriously, if modern games treat you like a toddler, Failguard treats you like a toddler with down syndrome.
My favorite part was when the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain said "we are the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain" and then they ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nained all over the place
Do you know where to get the book of the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain becasue I wanna make sure the book of the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain is actually about the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain to make sure it's about the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain.
I think to save this franchise they should do a prequel called Dragon Age: Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain, and the story will be about how Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain turned into the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain, because i think the main problem with Veilguard is that the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain are not fleshed out enough, the Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain lore was side lined, so obviously the new game Dragon Age: Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain makes sense, so we could really understand what caused Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain turn into the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain
I agree. Killing them should have been a deeply sad and emotional experience. However they were cheap Disney villains with little back story and no complexity. So sad at the state of the game
@@RubyRose23328 Just in case people had not yet established you were R slurred from all the comment spam you've been doing on Joes video, you go and say that the overly sarcastic, absolute mockery of a post is what you deem "wow genuine criticism". Please refrain from using the internet for awhile.
@@SoftExo XD, I tend not to take racists serious and I don't often engage with them. Just love the fact that a guy who once screamed about how Racism is bad is now promoting blatant racism and giving major thumbs up to racists.
Watching Duncan kill Jory because he refuses to drink the dark spawn blood because he fears dying and leaving his wife/child alone, sets the entire tone for the Dragon Age universe. Compare having to kill an initiate who refuses an order, leaving his child without a father to having a character do push ups because they misgendered someone on their team. That sums up who far the series has fallen.
Can't lie bro I love how long Angry Joe and other Joe stuck together. I was a teen watching these guys I'm now 30😂 Thier brotherly relationship is one a Kind!
@@RealMemphisTrapnot really it comes down to how greedy or not greedy the ones involved are. It’s obvious oj and aj are not like that though and agree on a lot of the bts of the channel. (I say that only as a guess cause I would assume they would have split by now if there weren’t getting along or had creative differences or something)
At least Andromeda was in another galaxy that we can completely forget about. Veilguard has utterly destroyed Southern Thedas, destroyed the lore, and destroyed our beloved legacy characters. This game is an insult to all REAL Dragon Age fans.
@sonnenblumefrau2048 I know that, I'm just stating that Bioware destroyed Southern Thedas so they wouldn't have to include anything from the past 3 games. Which is lazy/incompetent writing.
I freaking loved how they were losing it at the end of the skit and Alex just reaches over and dabs OJ's cheek with the cleaning cloth, i died laughing.
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"Why is there no blood?"
"Because it's offensive to people who don't have blood."
Because it's too distracting for certain minorities
I've always turned off blood spatter, no matter what I'm playing. It doesn't add anything.
@@martinperry5072 Please allow me to disagree... it adds blood
@@martinperry5072 and somebody just download mods to add more blood to its own play-through. We are not the same. Let people choose how they want to play.
@@GLmig mans a next level genius up in here. Blood sure would have helped with the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain though thats for sure
"Rated M for adults, censored for kids" - AAA gaming
Tbf the m rating has always been nonsensical and illogically inconsistant, there is no good reason halo 4 is M, or why doa is m while ivy in soul calibur 4 is Teen, or why is burnout 3 teen like most of the Arkham games while all the other burnouts are rated Everyone, or why is Arkham knight m while joker burning black masks girlfriend alive with a Molotov in origins rated teen
It's not M for adults, it's M for Mature (17+)
The adult rating would be A (18+)
Even though there's a reference for the woman being able to smell period blood after she was done being sick for a week, wtf? They use it as a coating to lure kids in so they can push this crap onto them without parents knowing.
Very well worded
@@assa-eu4kqhalo 4 is m solely because of the disintegration scene.
Let me go see some rated PG movies and shows from the 90s.....
It's rated M for extreme violence against good writing.
M? did you just assume its gender?
@@farlonmuentes6004people like you are why we can’t have nice things. Go put your helmet back on
Want to be even MORE angry about the writing and what could have been? True story…
The writer that CREATED Varric put up such a fight over trying to keep his character consistent with the past entries in the series that BioWare got tired of it and just fired the writer, and Varric is killed off literally out of spite right at the start of the game.
His last “true” appearance will now always be in the Dreadwolf prequel comics.
Edit: Oh and uh… spoilers I guess for Veilguard big “shocking” twist. My bad
At this point, I'm not even angry, just disappointed.
@@farlonmuentes6004 I think maturity is the more relevant term.
Once is happenstance (Andromeda). Twice is coincidence (Anthem). Three times, it’s abundantly clear the studio has lost its magic.
Replaced by incompetent DEI hires.
@@Elintasokas DEI is not the problems it's Feminist/SJW activist running the show.
Don't you dare forget the Shitquisition. DA2 had 18 months to explain why it's not as great as Origins, yet even that outclasses Inquisition in any, every and all aspects. How in god's name does a boss in a DLC have better story, arc, environment and gameplay than an entire end-fucking-game built-up villain, I could never understand...
@@TheKueiJinnah inquisition was still fun and had solid characters and moments
@@jgg6932the game was excruciatingly mediocre with some of the most boring characters to ever exist in a video game
also tons of DEI bullsht that flew past everyones head at the time
Ooooh right, the poison. The poison for Kuzco. The poison chosen specifically to kill Kuzco. Kuzco's poison.
God damn it, I have to watch this movie now just for Kronk lmfao
That poison?
@@UraniumReaperActual Yes, that poison!
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 The poison for Kusco!
@@slimlacy2 The poison chosen specifically to kill Kuzco!
The game director used to make Sims 3 DLCs for a living. It shows.
How dare you are.. “She” also worked on a golf game… 😅
Is it not the one who got fired for doing such a great job and being annoying?
i mean, to be fair, Sims 3 DLCs in general are not bad at all.Content wise and Value wise
Now, Sims 4 DLCs tho is a different story...
Sims 3 dlcs were fine sims 4 ones well.
@@rafisqiadhaputra6136 This person was not fired because of the DLC quality as far as I remember.
Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain are approaching the generator
Oh my god 😂
NICE
Deep cut😂
He's a man not a goat
The generator is losing power 🤣🤣🤣
Can we also talk about how the Qunari use have this intimidating presence. They were molded through physical pain into these beasts that didn't take crap from anyone. Even their horns looked like they tore through the skin and bone and looked painful. And now they just look like humans with a snapchat filter on.
The wokeness got to em
They just look like tieflings with bigger foreheads now.
@@TheCullousus lol then Taash was born
Have you played DAO recently? They literally look like humans. (yes I know there was limitations at the time with the horns but even their face doesn't look different from humans)
Also like most of the comments here say, at the time people disliked DA2 because the combat was so dumbed down for console.
@TheQueenskingdom like you said, because of limitations but they were meant to look like the games after. They don't have any limitations and yet went backwards. And with DA2 it's a mute point because veilguard combat is atrocious itself.
"I don't hate you because of your identity; I hate you because you won't shut up about it." - Carver Amell, Dragon Age II
This. Is. It. I don't care what you identify as, you do you. But please stop making it both your whole personality and shoehorning it into absolutely everything.
An analogy: I like ice cream, but if someone I knew became obsessed with ice cream, talked about it constantly, forced it into every conversation, I'd eventually say "hey, so can you shut up about ice cream already? Please?". No, I don't hate ice cream, I'm not ice cream-phobic. You just went too far with it.
*Clap
@@LukaBlight69 Carver has been judged too harshly by the fans. Carver would roast the hell out of Trash and compare them to Anders.
By the way, I was gonna say 'Taash' but TH-cam autocorrected it to 'Trash', even TH-cam agrees that they're trash. 😂
I don't completely agree. If your whole thing is ice cream but every time it's featured it's done so well, so smartly, so interestingly - dang, my relationship with ice cream would change. You move people with stories, dang it.
“I don’t hate you because you’re fat, you’re fat because I hate you.”
I can’t believe Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain were the ancient Elven gods the whole time
Nah man, it was The Ancient Elven Gods, Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain all along... what was shocking was that they were destined to rise from Solas's Ritual. The ritual that he talked about in DA:I. That Ritual that Varrick hired you to stop, because stopping the Ritual was the whole premise of this game!! The RITUAL!! That Varrick hired you to stop... that Ritual... That allowed the Ancient Elven Gods, Elgar'Nan and Ghilan'nain to escape... RItual...
Oh and the Artifacts... 🤣🤣😭😭
Goated
Can you repeat those names? I didn't catch it the 18th time.
Edgar Man and Gill’aman? The ancient elven gods? **That** Elgarman and Gilloman? No way.
Wait? WHO?!
Duncan died for this
@@Bignuke87Again can someone explain to me what was the point of that "push-ups" scene? Why did they put that in the game? Why??????? Who was this made for????
Duncan Do Nuts
Actually, I can. Peter weekes was literally quoted like a year or two ago saying on twitter he wishes he could make everyone who misgenders someone do pushups. Then they literally put his(?) Power fantasy INTO THE GAME!@@DylanOakley-v3k
@@DylanOakley-v3k peter weekes said he wished he could make everyone who misgendered someone do pushups, like a year ago
@DylanOakley-v3k because apologies aren't enough, you must also whip yourself to show submission lol
The sequence of Isabella doing push-ups while getting on a soap box about how apologies work is *why* I believe the writers wrote the characters after *themselves* . We can't disagree or offend any of the characters because the writers *are* the characters.
How Bellara physically recoiled in horror when Isabella "misgenders" Taash is how they expect (and demand) people to react to that.
The desire to be "treated like everyone else" is just wanting to be treated as an equal in society and that is the baseline of expectation from one human to another. That is equality. No more no less.
What is *unreasonable* is saying that's not good enough and expecting/demanding special treatment and special consideration FROM everyone else and THAT is what people have a problem with. Thats aligned with the fallacy your feelings are everyone else's responsibility to manage, placate, etc.. "You HAVE to affirm me". You HAVE to treat me different from everyone else otherwise you're a bad person. You don't want to be treated EQUALLY, you want to be treated SPECIAL.
You nailed it
Its b/c that claim has always been a sham, they've never wanted to be treated like everyone else b/c by and large they already were. Being judged by your appearance is something literally everyone has to deal with, and learning to deal with it in healthy ways is part of growing up, or I guess it usually is. Most people aren't one thing or another they wish they could be, the rest of us have to make peace with that. Why should we be coerced into helping people unwilling to do what everyone else does, lie to themselves?
I mean unless the person is having physical hallucinations that they have sexual organs they don't have, everything else we associate with being a man or a woman is cultural. When someone with gender dysphoria says "I just feel like a man/woman", I think "well what does that mean to you? Why do you need to be a man/woman to be those things?"
That scene is repugnant. It has absolutely nothing to do with pronouns. It's just bullying and social jockeying. Someone making a trivial, human mistake now has to humiliate and prostrate themselves to acceptably apologize. And notice it wasn't even Trash who pointed it out. Nope, the other characters have to white knight on Trash's behalf, because of course non-binary people have no agency of their own and it's the responsibility of normies to correct themselves. Also, of course, a simple "My bad" isn't enough. Nor is a gushing "I'm so sorry" because that "takes attention off the non-binary person". But doing ridiculous pushups, which also takes the attention away, is permitted, since it's also humiliating. All because someone momentarily didn't counteract a lifetime of pronoun use and make a special exception for this one person. These are utterly ridiculous Calvin Ball rules. I've known LGBTQ and trans people most of my life and not one single one was hung up on this BS except the ones who changed their orientation like the wind for attention. 9/10 it was the straights just trying to one-up each other with "calling it out" to "prove" they care more than the next one. And what could be the ultimate proof but to cram this sh-- into a Triple-A game. Whoever wrote this trash probably sees themselves as the most virtuous in all the land, the ultimate feather in their cap. If anyone ever calls them out for anything they can point to this moronic claptrap scene as their undefeatable UNO reverse card.
Especially cramming it into dragon age of all things. The same series where you can choose to kill a demon possessed child.
Unless of course that person is a woman with big boobs, then they not only deserve no consideration, but apparently, must be rendered an impossibility.
SkillUp said it best: the writing feels like it was made with HR in the room
When you make a game that's inclusive and progressive, you can't include the option to be mean to said characters because they know people will pick them.
@@MrNegativecreep07 inclusive unless you want an ass bigger than Hank Hill
Can someone explain to me what was the point of that "push-ups" scene? Why did they put that in the game?
@@DylanOakley-v3k its to shame you... and to attempt to make you physically punish yourself for not bending down to the crazies
... it didnt work
@@MrNegativecreep07 bg3 disagrees with you and your shitty take
I'm kinda afraid for the next Mass Effect...
Kinda? There isn't even a slight chance ME5 will be good. These devs proved they don't know what they're doing multiple times now.
i'm not.
Mass Effect director shut down their studio
@@jadedheartsz
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Andromeda was already bad back in 2017. Bad story, bad facial expressions, ugly characters. ME has already been ruined
*Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods have entered the chat*
"Are you talking about us, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods?"
"We would never speak ill of you ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'Nain, the ancient elven gods of legend"
I just realized why the devs kept saying their names.... it's because they don't want to use "He" "she" "They" pronouns. It's clear they are avoiding any such pronoun and trying to normalize this kind of dum dum language.
We are talking about the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain, are you really the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain?!?
@@xjustsomeguyx1554 "It doesn't matter if you did speak ill of us, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods.
We, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods, are going to anihilate your pathetic universe anyway.
That's how we, Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods, are."
Just realised by writting these lines how Joe feels after saying "Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods" so many times.
My therapist's gonna love this s*** about Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, the ancient elven gods.
This game is the definition of safe edge. It has this facade of being a sexy mature adventure but then the characters start talking/interacting and you think you're watching some Saturday morning cartoon.
How dare you compare Saturday morning cartoons to this watered down bland mush of a game like that!
The hilarity of intentionally drawing attention to someone being referred to as “they” then calling them a she during the memorial scene for said character brings a tear to my eye
Pretty true to life tbh
Shows even they dont believe what they preach
The entire development crew did ten push ups so it's all good.
The main writer for the character even says "she" when referring to the character anywhere
Just so they could let em down, one last time..
HEY JOE YOU WANNA PLAY A MOTHERFUCKING Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain GAME?
!!All Angry Joe show and fans... how many Bevs have you done? Regardless of your answer... the true answer is NOT ENOUGH !!
NOOO I DONT WANNA PLAY ANOTHER ELGAR'NAN AND GHILAN'NAIN GAME
You got me on this one 😂😂😂
😂
"This one really hurt me mentically." 🤣
That opening sketch is perfect. Feels like you have short term memory loss during the whole playthrough
Reminds me of "Godzilla destroyed the generator"
This game is Anime writing at its finest.. over explaining everything, bad humor, bad story development, bad character arcs, etc.. you can tell the director watches nothing but anime
@@PuppetMaster-Bladebad anime like Mars of Destruction
@@PuppetMaster-Blade It's kind of unfair to over-generalize anime writing though. You're probably thinking of the recent low-effort isekai stuff. Mature and well-written anime shows exist, such as Ergo Proxy, Ghost in the Shell, Black Lagoon etc....
I mean tbf it's hard to remember the elven gods, Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain, without help.
You’re laughing. The ancient Elven Gods Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain have been released and you’re laughing.
Wow, those "flirting" scenes are literally what kids are like around 3rd or 4th grade...
"Wow, your hair is pretty"
"Really?" *blushes*
"Are you blushing?"
"Noooo..."
WTF?! These are supposed to be ADULTS!
ya but you forget that they really like kids. in the wrong way.
Sounds like something I'd put in a fanfiction at 14 tbh lmao
Asking same but looking at the devs
As someone who works with children, I can say that this is correct for adolescent kids.
overgrown children who have never heard the words 'No' and 'That's no good, do it again, but better'
"That's an Ogre!"
"That's an Ogre?"
"Oh no!!"
Yep, that describes this whole game perfectly.
I didnt expect to fight an OGRE today.
@@sterma3434i do expect spanish inquisition more than this 😂
OGRES MY LORD!
You just gave me a latest 3 star wars eps vibe..
"They fly now?"
"They fly now!"
"I am an ogre"
This isn't Dragon Age. It's a bad fanfiction with a huge budget.
Watching the terrible characters all die is undoubtedly the good ending.
WRONG!
There no fans of dragon age in this slop.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Except fanfiction is usually written by fans at least. This isn't.
Honestly? Watching the party die one by one in the end managed to be intensely boring.
Remember that this is an IGN 9/10 approved.
IGN giving a high score is like a warning sign at this point.
Who listens to that lot of idiots
EA probably bribed them with huge piles of cash to give it a 9/10
I despise journos and review sites like this
@@Cendrecoeur1989 no one believed it though
Here is the plot twist: this game was made by Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain, and guess what? They succeeded at destroying the world of Dragon Age. They were so powerful that they even managed to piss people off across the Fourth Wall.
Omg
Wait, this should be the plot of the next game to save the franchise. 🤣
That's ancient elven gods Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain for you
@@GuillermoArmasErosa Turns out that they are so good at being villains that in order to win, they needed to ruin the lore so even if they die at the end of the game, it won't matter 🤣
Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain* succeeded at destroying the world of Dragon Age. Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain* were so powerful that they even managed to piss people off across the Fourth Wall.🤣🤣🤣
A quote from Dragon Age: Origins sums my opinion of Veilguard up quite nicely: "The true abomination is not that it occurred, but that it was allowed."
but but but... the official veilguard reddit praises this game so much, it must be good
Excellent use of that quote
@@glenferrieroadhawthorn Hahaha, I was banned from there because I wrote negative about Veilguard (& I guess a few other of us too. XD) and I am proud of it! :D :D :D XD
Its not a bad game and go so far to say its actually a high 8/10 . As an action/adventure RPG hybrid its pretty damn good. But after BG3 I think any AAA RPG is going to struggle to foster a decisions have consequences on the world in a mass market format which DAV obviously is. The story is better than any abstract From Software rubbish but feels like it was written by people raised on Marvel Movies. Everyone just speaks their emotions and makes endless non sequitur quips.
@@whatfruit7965 did you just take a shot at from soft? They literally never released a bad game but you want to compare DAV to them? You're hilarious.
Evil Guy: "I'm going to kill all of you!"
*Dialogue Choice > 'Savage Comeback [Intimidation]'*
Player Character: "Well that's just like, your opinion man"
The Rook abides. 😄
@@MichaelJP Underrated comment. Exactly what they did
soy silicon valley california avengers dialogue. who knew they wanted the new saints row in a fantasy setting!
"Congratulations on being non-binary... I support your life choices."
Rook is useless character in this, your options don't matter, this game is pure shit
The game's creative director John Epler wanted to bring Bioware back to its glory days with this game. So much for that.
The concept art for Solas’s prison had a bridge of bloody bodies that spanned the length of it. All the dead on Solas’s conscience. I want that game.
Reminds me of the 'road' completely comprised of skull and bones that u drive ure 4legged carriage through inthe 1st 10 minutes of brutal legend
Well you see a few stone hands reaching out from under the ground, I think LOL. All I had to do is look up the writing team and it all makes perfect sense why it went so wrong.
"Look how they massacred my boy"
The only line in my head when I hear anything about the new dragon age.
Me too.. with Don Corleones voice in my head too
As a massive DA fan, I pushed through this one and was screaming inside with pretty much every line of dialogue. Felt like most lines (legitimately, most) were aimed at ages 5-10. Like...would've fit in with Dora the Explorer or Sesame Street, completely undercutting the more serious moments. It hurt so much.
@@shinnyshin7792I really commend you for suffering through this game. I cant last an hour in there and had to refund.
@@Sonicfalcon16 laughs in BG3
I feel the same way about Suicide squad. 😢
I still can't believe those hack writers destroyed the entire southern region of the world, just so they didn't have to worry about player choices carrying over from past games .
"We didn't want to invalidate anyone's choices," they said as they blatantly invalidated EVERYONE'S choices.
That wasnt the writers, the game director recently said in an interview that they didnt want to handle each variation and felt restricted.
Leadership makes these choices.
@@chromesucks5299 The freedom to do nothing, I guess. Other than preach to the audience.
i'm afraid to ask at this point, but what did those hacks do now?
@marcialhd You know the places and people in Dragon Age: Origins, 2, and Inquisiton? They're all dead and got destroyed by the Blight. Everything, every choice, from those 3 games are completely invalidated in Veilguard. Fereldan destroyed, Kirkwall destroyed, etc.
They need to simply act like this game didn't exist and release the dread wolf version of the game that everyone wanted
Make game 18 rated. Proceed to hold player's hand like they can't tell the difference between circle, square and triangle.
Uh my dude, my keyboard doesn't have a circle, square or triangle. I think you might have a defective keyboard :D
How I Trained my Dragon.
@@LordLOC Heh, I actually just picked three basic geometric shapes to illustrate the point, and didn't intend it to be a reference to a controller.
I mean woke people are always trying to put things in the wrong holes so thats nothing new.
@LordLOC What is an A and an O then? Your keyboard identifies as a controller...bigot!
When they switched the name from Dreadwolf to The Veilguard, I knew we were screwed.
Eh. That's like saying you knew Mass Effect Andromeda was going to be bad because it wasn't called Mass Effect 4. Nah, the trailer for Veilguard was clearly an appeal to "funny and quirkly adventure characters with a pixar-like design" and that's what started this entire pain train of reviews even before the game was out. The funny part is that Dragon Age 2 was criticized the exact same way because it was a huge change from Origins. But here we are, people are actually saying DA2 and DA3 were great compared to this game. How times have changed.
@@be0wulfmarshallz the first 2 games had great ratings and reviews, there will always be something to criticize about anything. Nothing is perfect, however, this game was absolute trash. And the majority of fans agree. It is what it is.
@@be0wulfmarshallz Did Dragon Age 2 also flopped so hard that within it's launch week it got it's DLC cancelled and development team disbanded?
Also you're being disingenuous, DA2 complains were that the game story and gameplay were simplified but it still retained it's dark fantasy setting, while Veilguard not only did away with dark fantasy but the dialogue is so dumbed down to the point the characters are supposed adults and talk like middleschool brats and since the game _can't offend anyone_ they took any evil dialogue options.
Preach!!!
Exactly 💯
"It's like they think you're stupid"
No Joe, no. The writers and directors brought in after the scrapping of the 2014-2018 build and team(which was headed by Mark Laidlaw so it would have been properly dark fantasy and lore appropriate) are just that unqualified for their jobs.
this game is a live service skin turned into a lazy crappy single player experience after the live service fad died and they changed strategy mid development
This is just the devs writing for themselves.
Even chatGPT could write a better dialogue.
How is it ? 🤨 🤔 All that peopel are making games for last 30 years and games are worst and worst with few exeptions. 🤨
Exactly, they're stupid so, naturally, they treat us stupid.
13:45 I think what made the combat frustrating for me was invisible companions that the enemy completely ignores... so youre stuck 1v25 half the time while your companions do next to 0 damage and arent even a useful distraction... you can cheese any fight by running around waiting for combos to reload to detonate and do damage, anything other than a warrior build is pain since everything agros you endlessly. I also hate the story concept that you have 2 ancient elven gods hell-bent on destroying the world with Blight and the only thing actively fighting them is a tiny group of "veilguards"... in Inquisition you built up an entire Faction/Army big enough to rival an Empire to fight what is essentially 1/10th the threat...
Nobody takes you seriously, the Wardens ignore you, when clearly something is wrong when the entire South is under siege. Nobody but a bunch of borderline criminal secret society type organizations are willing to help... there is 0 conversation or debate around the ethics of said organizations and you just magically take on gods that dominated the ancient world for thousands of years until one of their own worked against them... shit game
Remember when Duncan killed that guy in cold blood for refusing to drink the blood? Pepperidge farm remembers but Bioware sure as fuck doesnt.
Remember when Isabela didn't give a shit what anyone thought of her and now she's doing Barvs to repent for perceived offenses. It's absurd.
"That guy" drew his weapon first.
@@FurbleBurble He would have killed him anyway, or else forced him to drink, because no one was allowed to know about the secret ritual. (At least that's the way I remember it.)
THANK YOU. I might be new to Dragon Age but I just played Origins and the whole Joining is super secretive for a reason. Meanwhile, we've got Davrin just spilling to everyone and apparently you can be a Grey Warden now without doing the Joining, too. You also can opt out with no repercussions. Also, sure would've been nice if we had that villain show up in Origins to suck up the archdemon instead. Talk about watering down the Dark Ritual or if you do sacrifice someone.
@@FurbleBurble It is implied that few survive the ritual, so it wouldn't make sense to go on with it knowing the odds are against you. But the catch is... No one knows the odds because the ritual is secret.
The way it works is a grey warden will recruit you if they believe you have a chance to become one. Here, you may accept or refuse their offer. However, once you get to the point where they explain to you how the ritual works (drinking the blood), you cannot back out of it anymore. You can either accept and drink or refuse, in which case they will kill you on the spot to keep the details of the rituals secret.
Remember when this used to be a “dark” fantasy franchise?
Don't forget this game was made by millennials. These are the people who don't like dodgeball because it's too violent. Conflict needs to be talked about. Words hurt
oooh i member
it's crazy that a few loud complainers can define an entire generation @@Bluestar1079
I miss dark, weird, body horror, fucked up Dragon Age... I miss it a lot. That darkspawn broodmother was nightmarish.
Bioware forgot what made Dragon Age a GOAT of the RPG genre.
I miss how it was dark, and it gives us power when he can fight back against it
Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain's names have been said so frequently, that I started flying off to the right and exploded for no reason.
Ghilan'ain is approaching the generator.
😅 underrated comment
Ellie and Gilbert
Yet you survived? I was lied to. I was told "Come on comrades, he's a man not a god"
This kept going on for exactly FOUR HOURS!!!
I liked the game overall but I’m surprised you didn’t mention that none of your choices from previous games matter at all. Southern Thedas is screwed and nothing we’ve ever done helps it. None of our companions have cameos or quests based if they survived previous instalments. Is Architect helping with the blight? I let him live but that’s completely inconsequential. What is Hawke doing (if you didn’t left the, in the fade)? No idea, the game doesn’t care so why should you. And weirdly, we don’t hear anything from the Chantry, the same chantry that just found out swaths of chant of light are complete bulls**t. The game really said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"For idiots, by idiots. Buy Dragon Age NOW "
Underrated comment 😂
Example given the OP.
Shale just killing that chicken and then just shrugging is still one of the most hilarious moments ever!
More blood from that chicken than the entirety of Veilguard.
I just played that part the other day and loved it lol. Veilguard is embrassing
Yeah, this scene is even more funny knowing Shale is made from a female dwarf.
🙌🏼 Yes, it was!!!
Why are they all sitting around tables in every conversation?
It feels so weird... Like they are in shceduled corporate Meetings.
This people have no idea what to do in fantasy, they just turned the party into an office team...
Hey! Corporate meetings with corporate HR writing.
Checks out.
Because it all happens i the hub. Let me guess, you haven't played it
@@AgentLemmon have you played other games? You dont just constantly book meetings with the entire group. You talk to them 1 on 1, and then there are some cases were you have mission briefings with the hole Squad before pivital moments in the story.
This game, from what i see, and yes i have not played it, you have regular meetings with the hole Squad. Everyone has to say something, and thus repetition. It looks like an Agile Daily meeting... Its an unnatural way of doing it
@@_Azurael_ Is it a daily meeting or a Retro? :)
@@_Azurael_ Yeah, i have been playing game since 1986 lol. The meetings are always contextual after missions or happenings that wararant those meetings before missions, and it isn't all the time. Also, about the woke nonsense which lets be real that is what the whole hate bandwagon is mostly about, i played about 30 hours now and still didn't come across that convo. Yeah ,the dialogue can be cringy, and somtimes childish, although i experienced that in previous DA titles too, but less so. Yes the action is more like DA2 but far better. The game is polished AF. It's a decent 7, or a 6 - 6,5 when considering it's a dragon age game. It's nowhere near as bad as youtube would want to make you think.
God that origins music is so nostalgic. Also that scene where Shale crushes the bird while leaving honneleath village always kills me lol
The most fun thing about this game is seeing how Baldur's Gate 3 has the same number of simultaneous players every day as the peak of this Dragon age, more than 1 year later
I recently bought BG3 with my friend and we're enjoying the hell out of it. Combat is REALLY difficult, but other than that I'm loving it
@@rileymachelle4088THIS is a rpg where you can make your own choices, even though some people try to argue that the previous ones had more freedom, compared to Dragon Age it is unfair because it is so superior
@@futrecacaoim literally replaying BG1 right now and i know the first two were made by og bioware and holy crap the difference is insane with Veilguard
@@mrmasky9783I only played 2, it's fucking hard, I have to try 1 someday
I just bought BG3 on the sale...I wish it was a lil more discounted than 20% - but its worth it for me to tell them they are doing things right. Im pumped to try it out
Player: Tell him off, Spongebob. Assert yourself!
That's my ice-cream cone.
Player: Great! Now let him have it!
You can have it.
This needs a heart.
Sad days when a joke becomes reality lmfao
😂😂😂
No no! Be assertive!
(pokes enemy) beep beep :)
Bioware recently admitted that there will not be any remasters of the original Dragon Age games because literally nobody their knows how to read the source code. Who the hell actually "thought they still had it in them" to make anything actually worth playing?
@@MlnscBoo I mean, isn't the new one on a different engine than the old ones? Not all coding is the same as far as I know. Now I definitely think that it would have been worth having some of their people LEARN it.
It's such a dumb excuse from them. Like idk maybe hire some people to learn the code? Bring back someone who knows the code? EA the multi billion dollar cooperation couldn't spare anyone for that?
@@remrad4315 VG and Inquisition both Run on EA/Dice Frostbite Engine, ( an Engine that was no made with RPGs in mind i might add,) its why Andromeda and Inquisition had rough patches in development because the teams had to make entire new suites to the engine to allow things like inventory ect. because FB was made for Battlefield games.
@@lyrium7945 oh ok then I'll shut up lol
The Mass Effect trilogy remaster is great
Lets not forget they scrapped "In death,sacrifice" from the Grey Warden motto
Seems like they had more fun doing the Ancient Elven Gods skit than playing the entire thing.
this is going to be impossible, I don't know what we're going to do. Rook, we released the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. I know, I don't even know how to approach taking on the ancient Elven Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan with Soless. Are you guys talking about the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan, that were recently released when you defeated Soless? Yes, that is exactly who we're talking about. We were talking about the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Oh, I got a book; it's all sorts of crazy stuff about the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. A book? A book like that could help us defeat Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. That's true. Can you please get us the book of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan? Name it, can you get us the book? Yeah, yeah, it's right here. Oh, thank God! It's called The Ballad of the Ancient Elven Gods Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. It's right there, but are you sure this is the ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan? That's right. It could be somebody different, a different Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Name it! No, it says ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Oh, ancient Elven Gods, then this has to be it. Let's check here and see if there's a chapter on where we can defeat the Ancient Elven Gods. Right here, of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. It's right here, Joe, this whole time! Perfect, that's it, now we finally have what we need to defeat Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. That's right. Do you want Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan to be defeated? Yeah, but I want my book back. Don't worry, we will give you back your ancient ballad on the Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan, just as soon as we defeat the Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan, the ancient Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. I'm sorry, the ancient Elven Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Do you have anything else to add? No. Let us go on this adventure. No, let's finish our quest to defeat Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Let's go. Bye, boys, enjoy your quest to defeat the Ancient Elven Gods, Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan. Name it, sir, do I need to pay you for this amazing book on how to defeat the Ancient Elven Gods of Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan? It's like a library, you just put your name in there, and as long as you bring it back within two weeks, um, it's fine. Okay, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, guys don't want the libraries work.
What Ancient Elven Gods? Do you mean the Ancient Elven Gods of Elgernan and Gilligan? Yes they seem to be having fun doing the skit about the Ancient Elven Gods Elderman and Guillermo.
I think you are right.
@@aca347 You can't possibly mean The ancient elven gods, Eggman and Guiliman
@@aistikasmursu9432 I do in fact mean the ancient elven gods Enderman and Lemonade. Oh no... the ancient elven gods Albion and Lebanon are standing right behind me aren't they?!
Morrigan was one of the greatest voiced characters in gaming history. And all I can think of is "Not like this. Not like this...."
Look how they massacred my girl!
Claudia Black has slaughtered her role as a VA in anything shes done. But hearing Morrigan in this game is so sad. They really did ruin her character.
@@jiiaga5017 I feel the same way about Ali Hillis
@Faminetheblack they ruined everything about Dragonage. Andromeda is a masterpiece compared to this.
Yea, I don't think I can forgive them, EVER for this. Making her a puppet for some Elf ghost. Something she spend 3 FUCKING GAMES staying away from. Fuck this game It is not canon.
How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favourite franchises go down in flames?
So,so, so good. *vomits in corner*
It feels great 😢
sucks
I'm so sad that Sony is trying to get their grubby hands on Fromsoft...it will be the end of my favorite studio
"they" must destroy everything we love.
I feel like the fact I was able to finish Andromeda and still find ways to enjoy it (played it after the patches) but couldn't do that with The Veilguard just makes me so depressed as a Bioware fan. It doesn't even feel like they tried to build off Inquisition. Everything feels smaller and worse in every aspect and I hate it.
that skit at the start had better emotion and care than the whole game crazy
You are a clown if you watch these trash youtubers sitting in their mother's basements, getting triggered by pronouns. The game is fantastic.
True
Better writing too
When a game has "dialogue options" that read as one thing, but when you choose it, it says something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT is PROOF of FAKE BRANCHING DIALOGUES!!
It does seem to be a Dragon Age issue.
@@Fickji You mean Fallout?
Or most rpgs@@tuxedothemagnificent6738
"You'll have to move fast ... if you're going to outrun my blaster!"
I'm currently replaying Mass Effect and it's annoying there as well.
Remember when the shills were saying "BIOWARE IS BACK, BABY!" are now all quiet all of a sudden.
Yea like RageGaming
Mostly demoncrats...? 🤣
"Return to form" x 100. Yeah sure if that form is a pile of dogsh1t.
Madden came early this year! 😂
A return to form haha
Here's one thing that is truly exasperating about Veilguard: It has forced the bar so low for what a Dragon Age game is. Despite me really disliking Dragon Age 2 so much that I dropped it after a while (and admittedly not having played Inquisition to date), those sequels are so astoundingly more "Dragon Age" than this mess that I'm actually a little bit eager to go back and give them another chance.
"It's like they think you're stupid."
Nah, they are so narcissistic that they don't even think about the customers. This is the best that they can do.
It’s a game made only for themselves
Yea they don't know how to do better. The old devs, the old school guys, knew how to do Conan The barbarian levels of gameplay. The new Devs probably don't even know who Conan is.
@@MartinOReilly-mb4um Why nobody taught them is beyond me. It is important to share your knowledge to the next generation so that they preserve the quality of their predecessors. But doesn't happen all the time sadly.
@@Deliveredmean42 I don't think they wanted to know. They clearly must've looked at the original Dragon Age and they didn't like it cos it was too `manly`. Violent, bloody, mean, horrible- think of it from the pov of a feminist woman or girly man.
And so they ignored all of that and changed all of it to what THEY like: inoffensive, girly, colorful, bloodless, the sims kind of banal bland stuff. that's how I see it.
You know, I actually think this is the correct take. They clearly don't give a shit about players, and have said so as loudly and obnoxiously and often as possible on socials and in dev Q&A's. This is a game made specifically for THEM, not us.
10:05 In origins you start the game playing through a massacre, you can make a daughter behead her own father and women are kidnaped by darkspawn to bred more monsters. In Veilguard on the other hand you can fulfill your dream of becoming a Disney princess.
Reminds me of gearsofwar breeding creches
@@assa-eu4kq well mind you that breeding in this case means literally turning them into huge breeding mothers by force feeding them blighted corpses...
...whether you like it or not.
Yes a Disney princess that rescues the prince.
Going back to Origins or even Inquisition and it feels so... freein. Especially Origins with how many choices you have during dialogue. Sarcastic? Friendly? Or outright evil? Dow what want
He was not lying about the game abusing him. He was wearing a bandage on his right upper eye
it gave him a blight cyst.
There were a bunch of comments on this week's AJS News about it, but I should have guessed it was DA that gave him the black eye. 😂
Reminds me of the Alan wake PC pirate eyepatch
He had to pop one of those blight pimples...😂
how dare you say his . time to pull a barv man . 10 pushups for you .
I didn't play dragon age Inquisition, until about a year ago, when I noticed it was free to play on the xbox pass or whatever. I was in the mood for that type of game, so I gave it a shot. Absolutely loved it couldn't get enough, I 100%Ed that game. I did everything that there was to do. I was very sad when I was finished. And then one day I see a video talking about dragon age, veil guard, Saw a little preview. I knew better than to get super excited Because that's just how things work now with video games. But I thought, How can they really ruin this? I mean, aside from the obvious, like changing all the characters into being super woke, They have everything they need to make a good game. Just build on what worked before, Optimize it, Improve it maybe. Be a little bold here and there and try some new stuff. That improves the experience maybe. But the story and the characters. It's not like you're building from scratch. It's like a book series, You're just continuing the story, Whether it's the end of the story or just another saga. In the story doesn't matter. But lo and behold. They dun fucked it up.
And Inquisition was pretty shit mind you
“You make me hate my own character, I don't even like me!” -Joe
That summed up the problem with this game to me lol.
I honestly don't get a good 90% of his takes on this one. While I do think the dialogue is a bit more tame, I actually am finding Rook quite personable overall. Same with the other characters.
I don't actively dislike anyone-where I wanted to punt Sarah from Inquisition off the map.
Don't get me wrong, there are real complaints to be made about this latest entry. I feel like Joe missed almost all of them so he could rant about pretty subjective small topic points.
@@arkainin4638 good 4 u, buddy
Yea in inquisition I chose the deep male voice and ended up liking my inqusitor the most of all the characters
@arkainin4638 I think that's my biggest problem... everybody is just happy and gets along... nobody has any convictions or beliefs, the good guys are good guys and bad guys are bad guys... inquisition had annoying characters because I disagreed with them and their beliefs, here everyone feels like a carbon copy of rook's beliefs but with different accents and looks... even when I condemn a followers city to be destroyed by a dragon he is agreeable and not upset in the slightest at me... which is ridiculous, even if you ultimately understand only 1 can be saved you would be pissed tf off that it wasn't your city chosen 😂 dialogue is flat, characters are uninteresting, you return to the same areas again and again, they can't even be bothered to make a new arena to fight said dragon in... its just an extension to the 1st fucking area from the intro... the only improvement from Inquisition was the combat system. The gear system is worse, the characters are worse, story sucks, maps suck, its just an average game at every stage.
@@IntusMortuum I don't know what you're talking about. I chose Minrathos and the other guy left my party for a good while, cut off the romance thread with my character, had his abilities permanently changed, and has been kind of a dick ever since.
Yeah, he's not been outright antagonistic, but let's be honest, said character is also a killer for hire who understands the realities of the situation even if he dislikes them and he took on a contract for us, so he'd not just leave.
There are issues with this game. I'd prefer a more robust inventory/weapon system. I'd prefer not to find items almost exclusively from chests or quest rewards.
I think you're also being more critical of certain elements than others, or past entries, however.
That's really my entire issue with Joe's review. He spent the whole video whining about rather small personal gripes instead of reviewing the game on any objective measure.
You here have done a better job than he didi in 40 min.
Me a year ago - Man I hope Dread Wolf is good so that we get a new mass effect
Me Now - Man I hope that Bioware gets shut down before they can touch mass effect
Yea I’m good with no more mass effect 😢
I read someone say that if I don't like Veilguard, it's because the game wasn't made for me. But that's exactly the problem-it should have been made for fans like me, the ones who love Dragon Age. Instead, it feels like it's catering to a temporary audience that may not even stick around. If you want to experiment, create a new medieval fantasy RPG with its own identity and go wild. But when you're working with the Dragon Age IP, don't completely change everything for no reason. It's frustrating and disrespectful to longtime fans.
"may not even stick around."
Muh boi they didn't even show up.
@@Zomboy123456789 And that's the depressing twist. These idiots can't even support the games they claim to want
What you stated can be said about a lot of games. well said!
I have a $600 Solas Dark Horse statue and I hated Veilguard. If this wasn’t made for me- THEN WHO ELSE WOULD BUY THIS.
Listen, just because you played through DA: Origins 12 times and DA: Inquisition 5 times, doesn't mean you're actually a fan. Stop being a gatekeeping phobic neckbeard!
When you said you might not be excited for another Dragon Age, I felt that.
I think Inquisition was that for me.
This game still hurts. I've waited years for this. Damn. Third bad game in a row. RIP BioWare. I'm so scared for the new mass effect now.
I've known for years this will be trash. They lost so many of their DA team members. I hate being right about this
I actually enjoyed Andromeda more than whatever tf Veilguard was supposed to be
Been waiting for a worthy successor since 2009. I hope my Warden never found a cure for the Calling so he wouldn’t have to see what would become of the world he saved.
I die on the hill that Andromeda wasn't bad was it Mid sure, disappointing maybe but bad though? I have a hard time saying that
@@lcicadaI liked Andromeda also! Maybe not the strongest of the games, but it was fun to play and it still felt like Mass Effect
-"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favourite franchises go down in flames"
-"Feels great..."
Sums it up.
I understood that reference.
@@deathsyth8888 it took 12 years to make !
And with Sony probably buying out Software, there wont be a remaining franchise that hasn't become ass.
I clapped, I clapped when I saw that comment! IT BROKE NEW GROOOOOOOOOUND!!!
@@ImAviex I will buy hard copies of the Souls games if that happens.
Inquisition was already way more high fantasy but had a couple of dark parts.
The next Dragon age will be a Nickelodeon cartoon with romances being a kiss on the cheek and enemies falling down dramatically before the weapon/spell hits
Yeah and all characters identify as animals
Inquisition got a lot of hate and that was understandable because it just didn't compare to Origins, I was a little disappointed but I still enjoyed that game and must have at least put 100 hours with all the DLCs included. I am going to put 0 hours into Veilguard
Inquisition was trying to tick Dragon Age Origins boxes while trying to hold on to its Dragon Age 2 inheritance, that's why it failed to fully satisfy both audiences. But it was a good enough game on its owm that it got more new players interested in the franchise, and it ticked enough boxes for veteran players that we were all gunning for a sequel. And we got this.
We gotta let go, OG Bioware isn't coming back.
I highly doubt that there will be another Dragon Age game, after the abysmal sales of Failguard.
For 90 dollars + 30 dollars for 3 days early access
For now on, I’ll consider Inquisition + Trespasser as the final Dragon Age game(especially for a cliffhanger) after seeing this joke of a sequel. Glad I didn’t spend money on this disappointment. God help us from Mass Effect…
Dragon Age just made me want to play BG3 😊
@@blackbullet06 Yeah, Mass Effect style
I know, right? Because BG3 is much closer to Dragon Age than Veilguard.
Dragon Age made me vote Trump.
It makes want to play SW Outlaws👍🏻
I dont play bg3 yet but i having fun on warhammer 40k rogue trader is by far one of my favorite rpg games ❤
Mass Effect 5 Commander Shepherd is on a quest to prevent anyone in the galaxy from experiencing hurt feelings. It's gonna be a blast!
Or doing push-ups because of a slur against an Asari
I wouldn't be surprised if they removed dating entirely in Mass Effect 5.
Didnt the female asari leader in mass effect 2 use some of her assari as ssx workers to grease some wheels in her favour or something?
And Commander Shepherd is going to stop evil space pirates led by Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain from spreading hate speech and micro transgression. Teaching the right pronouns to kids all over the galaxy.
"We'll bang OK" 👍
Who? Elgar’nan and Ghilan’nain? The ancient elven gods?
Demon King? Secret Stone?
@@Chaosmane95 Psycho Mantis?
Who? Can you repeat their names for me? Who? Tell me more!
What is a paladin? Your knowledge of the land will be great.😊
@@Siegberg91 The... Codex of Ultimate Wisdom...?
Dragon Age Origins: 9/10
Dragon Age II: 7/10
Dragon Age III: 9/10 PC Version: 8/10
Dragon Age IV: 3/10
damn..
Dragon Age Veilguard: we hate this franchise. we hate the fans. we hate money,
And you want us to defeat The Ancient Elven Gods of Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain
They want that ESG money.
It’s a hate-fan fiction. A fanfic about how much they hate dragon age and everything it stands for.
"They're moving on to destroy mass effect"
Assuming they didn't already with Andromeda
Pretty sure BioWare destroyed that franchise with _Mass Effect 3_ and the wretched endings they kept tripling down on. Everything else since then has just been the series wandering around like a zombie that doesn't know it's already dead.
@@alexschott2092nah Me3 was great, especially with the all the dlc. Wont let you slander it because of the ending.
@@jerimiahjackson4235 I'll admit there were some great moments that paid off the choices made in past games (curing the genophage with Mordin was the peak). But too much of the rest felt like it reduced the decisions and characters' impact into pointless exercises.
Save or kill the Rachni Queen? Only difference is a few extra points in war assets and different intro scene. Points that are easily acquired throughout the rest of the game and multiplayer from doing much smaller side content.
Did you confront Ashley about her xenophobic outlook on intergalactic cooperation? Doesn't matter, because most of her entire character arch in the first two games is ignored and changed to "Special Forces Soldier Barbie with an Alcohol Problem."
Did you save or destroy the Collector base? Doesn't matter because Cerberus (which is now a full-blown army capable of waging open war across the galaxy instead of sneaky black ops organization) still salvages something from it. And if you did save it, all it amounts to is, like the Rachni, a few extra war asset points.
And that's not even mentioning how much the writing removed the menace and mystery the Reapers had. Now they're just the puppets of a faulty Starbrat AI made by off-brand Lovecraftian space cuttlefish
@@alexschott2092 I agree with pretty much everything you said here except the last part. Reapers are absolutely still a menace throughout the game. The starchild stuff only comes up at the very end. The game does a very good job at portraying the unrelenting horror of a full-scale reaper invasion from start to nearly the finish. Even most of the sequences on Earth in the end play well to this. It's only once the skybeam is in sight that their portrayal turns outright silly.
Irony is I like the multiplayer in Andromeda but I can barely remember anything from the campaign.
Thanks for your sacrifice to review this game :D
💀
Flowers for Elgar’nan
@@austinhan6998Not Ghilan’nain
He almost lost an eye playing this eyesore 😂
GK says "buy" and they are always right
This is interesting and all but did you know that the elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain have escaped Fen'Harel's prison.
Angry Joe: 3/10
IGN: 9/10
🤔
They gave arcane a 6
Nobody even listens and cares about IGN reviews to be fair, their reviews suck… like horribly done bad. They have the worst opinions on the internet
ya because the more a game is filled with woke garbage the higher it score for them
yeah but Angry Joe has integrity
People really don’t take IGN reviews seriously anymore. Most of their reviewers rarely hit 50 percent on any of the games they speak on.
this game was developed by the devs that criticized BG3 for being too complex and Elden Ring for being too hard
Sounds about right. Even more ironic considering that Origins was created as a *successor* to the first 2 Baldur's Gate games -_-
They knew they couldn't measure up to the new standards. I'll always love those games for giving complacent AAA companies a public spanking.
BG3 is the game that is too hard. There are about a 100k players that can't manage to let go.
@@Mizoturi do you have a source about that? I’m just curious
Those are fair criticisms at least but this game is an abomination. They took Dragon Age, killed it and then stuffed it's corpse with disney animations and DEI agendas.
Bro, is it just me or does that blonde-haired villain dude look like the fucking Prince Charming from Shrek.
My thoughts exactly... wich would explain the PG-13fication of the combat and tone of the game too
More like EA CEO, Andrew Wilson .
i would play shrek 2024 if there would be possibility than This..
all the villains in the game do
It's crazy how the game is rated M for mature but the design is PG-13 like what kid is looking at this and saying "Yes, this game"
They did this with World of Warcraft for some reason too. Only people playing that game are boomers and gay boomers.
29:42 Wait, wait, wait. So, you disney-fy your franchise to have no blood, and you can't be even remotely rude in dialogue because you don't want to scar the kids, but you also have a character saying she can smell your clunge? Do you not see how braindead that sounds, Bioware?
The government should use Dragon Age: The Veilguard as a torture method against terrorists to gain information.
Wolf Guy and Ingoshima as well.
"Every time they say one of the eleven god's names, we hurt you."
Cruel and unusual punishment was outlawed some time ago
Or ktjl. Because 4:01
i played far worse than this trash, they probably use this garbage for grooming purposes since how much woke is in it especailly Taash going by They, like fuck off
Wait, you're telling me this _isn't_ a stunning return to form for BioWare???
Well, it's definitely stunning. Brave even.... stunning in the fact that the game doesn't let you role play. Brave in that they released it with such bad writing.
@@Lwis I think they were mocking the fact that a majority of mainstream reviewers used those exact words like copy pasted all over.. "return to form" 🤣
you spelled stunting wrong
just pull a bharv bruv
@@muhamadmuhamad-ky8gd this soon after thanksgiving? it'd be more like "pulling a barf" so I'm gonna have to pass
"Ogre! That's an Ogre!" ... I'm glad they told me, because I wouldn't have known otherwise...
you wouldnt indeed since darkspawn look nothing like they did in previous games
"ogre! that's an ogre!" *Ogre title card* after the fight "never thought i'd fight an ogre!" like shut uuuuuuuuup
i like that they removed its teeth XD, stellar childproofing
It might be a ogre I think. IDK though
"They fly now. They fly now? They fly now!"
I swear these writers been on Twitter and away from the rest of society for so long, their social skills has completely diminished
That is not an unrealistic theory you got there. That can happen. I see that on terminally online people all the time that they don't just act online the ways they do but offline as well.
I miss the dismemberment in Dragon Age Origins... and never got to see it again...
Origins will always have a special place in my heart.
Me playing city female elf rogue origin: escaping a human douchebag house covered in tons of blood and decapitating the fucker in the end with my two daggers.
And that was just a simple prologue.
Bodies often explode into bloody mist in DA2, and some of those blood will stick to your characters
@@cjnf11 In the first town you kill an entire group of men over a disagreement in a bar and have a conversation with the owner as the thugs bleed out on the ground next to you.
When you first come upon the warhound the owner is about to cut his throat because he doesn't want to watch the dog succumb to the sickness. Hell, they make you choose between killing a possessed child or trying to find a way to exorcise him.
Dragon Age was built upon harsh realistic examples about the fleeting nature of life in a dark struggling world.
The only way to save Dragon Age is to completely remove Veilguard from the canon entirely and hire an actual competent team.
Shouldn't be hard. The game, from what I understand, takes so many liberty's with the lore it's basically an alt-universe. Gilhan'nain was goddess of the woods and I remember reading a whole codex about her being tricked by a hunter and left for dead. Whereas here she is some sort of Dr. Mengele, immoral scientist character. Like, wtf is this?
Yea especially since Veilguard its basicaly a reboot but instead of restarting the universe they just purged every area of every single past game so that every past choice or story of previous games is invalid
But they could get sued cause they are purple and blue haired people with strict pro nouns
Just call the next game “Dragon Age Dreadwolf,” pretend Veilguard never happened and make the DA 4 that people actually wanted.
Dragon Age: The Veilguard really makes you FEEL like you're fighting the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain
Lmao 😂😂😂
It gave me goosebumps every time we fought them...
@@jonbaxter2254 fought who? surely you dont mean the ancient elven gods elgar'nan and ghilan'nain
It's a return to form of the ancients elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain
Im not a dragon age fan....explain the joke. Are they pronouncing it wrong or is it just the sheer amount of times their names are said?
I wouldn't review shit like this unless I had Jack Daniels sponsoring me.
Seriously, if modern games treat you like a toddler, Failguard treats you like a toddler with down syndrome.
My favorite part was when the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain said "we are the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain" and then they ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nained all over the place
LMAO I love this meme is so stupid
Do you know where to get the book of the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain becasue I wanna make sure the book of the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain is actually about the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain to make sure it's about the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain.
Fellow morbhead spotted🧛🏻♂️
No.
When the review is more entertaining than the game.
I feel like theres some beauty in it. Its good that ppl are rejecting the weird woke nonsense finally...
hey at least they have the diversity, gotta love the diversity
I think to save this franchise they should do a prequel called Dragon Age: Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain, and the story will be about how Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain turned into the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain, because i think the main problem with Veilguard is that the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain are not fleshed out enough, the Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain lore was side lined, so obviously the new game Dragon Age: Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain makes sense, so we could really understand what caused Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain turn into the ancient elven gods Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain
Actual genuine criticism of the game. Wow I am impressed.
I agree. Killing them should have been a deeply sad and emotional experience. However they were cheap Disney villains with little back story and no complexity. So sad at the state of the game
@@RubyRose23328 Just in case people had not yet established you were R slurred from all the comment spam you've been doing on Joes video, you go and say that the overly sarcastic, absolute mockery of a post is what you deem "wow genuine criticism". Please refrain from using the internet for awhile.
@@SoftExo XD, I tend not to take racists serious and I don't often engage with them. Just love the fact that a guy who once screamed about how Racism is bad is now promoting blatant racism and giving major thumbs up to racists.
8 glasses just reading your comment
Ah yes, the ancient elven gods Elder Scrolls and Gilligan.
Bro I didn't even realize how good we had it in DAO, that intro with Duncan telling the Darkspawn story solos all of DAV
Watching Duncan kill Jory because he refuses to drink the dark spawn blood because he fears dying and leaving his wife/child alone, sets the entire tone for the Dragon Age universe.
Compare having to kill an initiate who refuses an order, leaving his child without a father to having a character do push ups because they misgendered someone on their team.
That sums up who far the series has fallen.
I mean to be fair, DAO story telling was a blast
Can't lie bro I love how long Angry Joe and other Joe stuck together. I was a teen watching these guys I'm now 30😂 Thier brotherly relationship is one a Kind!
It's way easier to stick together when money is involved
@@RealMemphisTrap it's actually harder.
@@aminerkin9844 100% money destroys friendships, especially if you're business partners
@@RealMemphisTraptell that to almost every successful group ever.
@@RealMemphisTrapnot really it comes down to how greedy or not greedy the ones involved are. It’s obvious oj and aj are not like that though and agree on a lot of the bts of the channel. (I say that only as a guess cause I would assume they would have split by now if there weren’t getting along or had creative differences or something)
At least Andromeda was in another galaxy that we can completely forget about. Veilguard has utterly destroyed Southern Thedas, destroyed the lore, and destroyed our beloved legacy characters. This game is an insult to all REAL Dragon Age fans.
And Andromeda was slapped together in 18 months. This game has no excuse.
Don’t worry, Mass Effect is likely to get the same treatment. 😢
It takes place in Northern Thedas.
@sonnenblumefrau2048 I know that, I'm just stating that Bioware destroyed Southern Thedas so they wouldn't have to include anything from the past 3 games. Which is lazy/incompetent writing.
@@sonnenblumefrau2048. Did you actually play the game?
Southern Thedas is destroyed OFF SCREEN in this game.
BS
Seems like "Dragon Age: Dissappointment" would have been a better, more honest title
Rook: “What are we, some kind of Veilguard?
Solas: “Say that again”
Also the Elgarnane is approaching the Gil’anaine
The Gil’anaine is losing power
He’s just a man, not an Ancient Elven God!
my pronouns are Elgar'nan/Ghilan'nain
@@aysn2277Did you just assume ancient elven god gender ! How dare you ! 😂
@@nour2146The Gil'anaine has been destroyed!
It’s 2024. I’ve been working at a library for 11 years. You’d be surprised how many people don’t know how a library works lol
I'm not. The library at my kids school is filled with computers with some books hugging the wall which no one uses.
I used to work at a bookstore, the amount of people who thought our bookstore was a Library was TOO DAMN HIGH.
@@Bluestar1079 we have computers too but you’d be surprised how many grown adults we have to explain to how the library works
@@NebadonAdamsWhat's a book?
I admit I haven't been in a library in like 40 years. Do they still use library cards?
I freaking loved how they were losing it at the end of the skit and Alex just reaches over and dabs OJ's cheek with the cleaning cloth, i died laughing.
Timestamp?
I don't even want them to touch Mass Effect, yet alone even think about it