Starfield - Angry Review
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Drink Stealin' Joe takes on Bethesda's latest brand new RPG IP in 25 years, Starfield. How does it compare to their past work and is it really unparalleled Space Exploration? Find out!
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25 years in planning, 8 years in development, plays and feels like it came out 15 years ago.
Sonunderrated comment, to be honest played 130 hrs and went to cyberpunk and felt much better
bethesda fanboi will come for you
@@R3in_Chso what let em what the hell they gonna do anyways foam from the finger tips
This is what happens when a development cycle is to long you end up being commited to out of date ideas and tech so when you release you are way behind the curve. Development should be 6 years maximum and using forward thinking tech as everything will catch up by release. I feel starfield just lacked any proper management or ambition just more of the same.
@@Marcorix2010 Pretty much a similar trajectory to what happened with Star Citizen. Mid-development, they had to change game engines, which likely also became a self inflicted delay of their own doing... not that the game has any hope of becoming an actual full release anytime soon anyway. The only difference is that at least Star Citizen is still being touted as an alpha product right now, whereas Starfield is supposed to be a "full release", with the absurd price tag, to boot. It almost feels like Bethesda anticipated the final product to somewhat be polarizing, hence why Xbox pre-empted any mediocre reception by releasing it in Game Pass on day one.
Todd Howard told Microsoft when they acquired Bethesda that the game was ready to go. Microsoft took one look and told him it needed two more years. I SHUDDER to think what hot garbage Howard was ready to serve.
Harsh. But fair point.
It’s so infuriating that this clown is in charge.He’s ruined so many games that had huge potential.
Todd : The modders will fix the game and improve the graphics and add the story. All we need to do is ship it.
@@Dr.Yakub22 most of the engine level bugs were already fixed in their previous games by modders yet they didn't bother to include those fixes in the game lol
@@chrisk3127 Snobbery. They don't even have a smart community manager who can tell them what kinds of fixes they did.
The drink stealing is almost at south park level ridiculousness
Mine was a dart. I tried to play darts in the bar but apparently that got me locked in a gulag as well. Bethesda really is a stupid dev.
@seniorshakingmyhead.2239 that BASTARD!
My BIGGEST complaint with Starfield is there is no comms! Half the shit you have to do, you have to talk to them in person…it’s space! Give me a damn communication device to talk to Joe and then continue!!!
Totally agree I gave up because of all the "fly back for 10 mins just to tell someone you did X" missions
Most of the game is going through different loading screens to talk to people.
Communications across the vast distace of space could take literal years tho, it wont be instant.
@@azoniarnl3362 If the ships have "grav drives" aka warp drives, then you could send transmitters carrying messages that could be propelled by warp drives to circumvent the speed of light's limitations at interstellar distances.
@@azoniarnl3362 dog this is a game not to mention you can do this in older space games
Starfield is proof that not even a brand new IP could motivate Bethesda to innovate and try something new.
Worst part is that they de-innovated, the games has pretty much all the same types of mechanics as previous bethesda games done worse. On the technical side of things the game is archaic, like something that'd belong on the PS3, whoever greenlit the idea to make the game a loading screen simulator needs to be fired ASAP, in 2023 that's completely unacceptable and unnecessary game design. On the gameplay side of things, it's a glorified walking fetch quest simulator, this game is so far away from what a game like Skyrim is that it's more like death stranding.
the game needs to have multiplayer or co op. so it has no lifespan. lack fo open world elements. exploration. lack of communication systems like voice chat. competition... they need to watch the king's avatar animation and get some inspiration how to make complete game@@SekiberiusWelkesh
Remember it just works...
...Why change it lol
If it's broken, dont fix it, somebody else probably will. -Toddler Howfart
@@SekiberiusWelkesh Todd wishes it was at least like Death Stranding. Loadfield would need at leas 16 loading screens to cover one DeathStrand quest.
Me playing Morrowind in 2003: Wow, imagine the massive fantastic worlds and imaginative stories Bethesda can create in 20 years, when technology allows them to fully realize their ambitions! This is going to be so awesome!
Bethesda in 2023:
At least they're consistent hahaha
And it is awesome - but hey you go after your internet brownie points
@@DavyDave1313 yeah 100% holy shit these people aren’t even real
@@DavyDave1313some ppl like turds... Just like you.
And its totally ok.
@@DavyDave1313huh?
Becoming a criminal who gets hired for some dangerous undercover mission, just because you accidentally drank someone elses drink in a bar - that is hilarious, and beyond stupid! Well done, Bethesda!
@@matthewcarter9790 u picked up the cup and became a criminal?
Honestly I thought Starfield was going to be 3 planets with extremely different factions and areas, which would have been awesome. When I heard there was going to be like a thousand I was like “Uh oh.”
Now suddenly everyone wants Outer Worlds, the game they complained wasn't enough like a Bethesda game... lmao
@@F1jonesI see you sitting here commenting on every single comment and I find it laughable. You are arguing for a game that is going to die out. You may have had a good time playing the game but the masses didn’t. Genuinely this game felt like something that could have been released between 2015-2019. As someone that’s played almost 100 hours into the game and finished it into New game+ it lacks character. It is fun to fly around and explore and build your ship, but after that there isn’t a terrible amount of content, not to mention how underwhelming the “Abilities” are. The skill tree is an utter mess, locking basic mechanics like sliding behind multiple level walls. I genuinely think this game lacked where so many other franchises have succeeded. They are a giant company, not a indie start up. So when a game comes out and is incredibly underwhelming compared to how it was hyped is disappointing. And people are allowed to have that opinion. But if you used the energy you’ve exerted commenting on everyone’s comments, maybe you’d understand that your opinion doesn’t rival anyone else’s. Because everyone’s opinion is valid.
@@F1jonesalso, new game plus completely destroys everything that the game has going. Destroying all of the original lore that you learn, all your weapons you work to get and find, relationships with companions who will no longer be interesting, and leaving you with a ship that is mediocre and with underwhelming powers. Everything that people liked about Bethesda is destroyed by new game+ The lore, the companions, the want to collect things or sell stuff. Even in the big side quests they make no difference in game. And one of the biggest side missions, which is when you join the crimson fleet or side with Sysdef, does nothing but break your game if you side with the crimson fleet. Almost every planet with exploration into a building is filled with crimson fleet which will no longer attack you. Especially just letting you walk through the whole level without having to bat an eye. This mission is probably most comparable to the Skyrim faction quest line between The Empire and Ulfric storm cloak. But at least in Skyrim cities and major villages would have different guards take over conquered cities. In Starfield the quest line just dies out, and all your left with is bounty missions. The point is, if they can’t produce content better than what was made 12 years ago, what is the point of playing?
@@barbzforever5712 I find it laughable that you don't understand what a conversation is. I'm having one. You know, as in posting on what's called "social media" versus a diary if you don't prefer the interaction. If you don't like it, find a different comment thread where I don't exist of which there are plenty.
But that's not nearly as laughable as someone who spent 100+ on the game, including new game+, but who now wants to whine about how it doesn't meet the standards you set? And sorry, I can't think of too many games that are dated but which released all the way back in ancient times like 2019.
Actually, opinions are worthless if they can't be backed up and/or are illogical. I.e., complaining that it's not as good as two other candidates for either worst game of the year (Andromeda) or one of the most forgettable space "RPGs" in recent years and which people negatively compared to Bethesda games on release (Outer Worlds) isn't a good argument. Do you think it is? Do you think those games are better? Because that's the argument being made by the OP, not all the features you're not happy with. Try to keep up.
Now you can go yell at the clouds some more about the game you burned four entire days of your life playing all the way through but which sucked so much it's like playing a game from 2012 (but I thought it was 2015-2019? Which is it?) I'm not sure that's something I'd want to admit, frankly. Pretty hilarious.
@@F1jones again, you argued none of my points. You made fun of me and that’s about it. I played the game through to see if at some point the game would revive itself and uphold the company’s standards. Bethesda is a huge gaming studio, and has had absolute gems years ago. Of course I’m gonna complain when the game is half as interesting as something that was produced 5-10 years ago. You are CLEARLY the only one NOT having a conversation since you think your opinion rules over all. You are condescending and wrong. And you wrote me a book because you disagree😊 I appreciate the two brain cells in your head working so hard to produce more than one coherent sentence. But compared to their other releases this is dog water of a game.
Calling it "Skyrim in space" is major disrespect to Skyrim
(People commenting "skyrim was just as bad" are not good at paying attention.. Skyrim was/is so successful because its a good game even without the mods Just ask all the people who still play vanilla even 12 years later.. I guarantee most wont even remember Starfield in 12 years, especially with ES6 coming way before then XD)
Skyrim had all of the exact same issues plus more
@@GRIZY28Skyrim you could ignore fast travel all together, it was truly open world, in starfield you can't fly between planets, you must fast travel.
@payne6853 ok amd every door u went through had a loading screen in skyrim . What's ur point?
Yeah, but only one. Not like 3+ for one fast travel. And numbers don't lie. Skyrim has more playern right now on steam. @@GRIZY28
@@GRIZY28at least Skyrim is fun with mods
He missed the part where the crew literally form a conga line to take turns shaming you when you make a decision the writers didn't want you make 😂
that literally made me shut the game off for the day(it was after the ryujin quest). literally 5 companions one after the other telling me i'm an asshole!
Constellation is the most insufferable team in video game history.
the dumbest thing is how Sarah explicitly introduces Constellation like this diverse group of people from all walks of life who won't judge you for your morals (or lack thereof) - but then all of its companions act the same damn way and give you shit for the same actions lol.
why even bother pretending that you've got a diverse cast of people when they all act in the same goody two-shoes manner and provide absolutely zero incentive to play different kind of characters on subsequent playthroughs (which ironically Bethesda seems to encourage this time around given the NG+ option).
@@srn7254it’s woke in a nutshell: diversity is only good when it comes to race and gender, diversity of opinion is a crime
think how we think, or you're an asshole. I thought videogames were the last bastion from this BS
"It's not about the destination, it's about the journey." Unless you're playing Star Field then it's about a loading screen 🤣
That whole skit @25:20 was so funny... "Isnt this where you wanted to go?" Joe in disappointment: "....... yeh......"
Man, I saw your comment before the skit happened
and it was just as good as you said
I still laughed out loud because I wasn't expecting it in that context
what the hell Bethesda?
Always remember when you buy a game at launch, you’re paying the most money for the worst version!
digital deluxe beta testers
thats why i always wait a few months after they release to play them because i don't like to run into buggy messes like this or a game that was released earlier this year called jedi survivor.
I’ll take the worst version of Spider-Man 2 right now
@@johnswanson1977 game industry needs so many more games like Spider-Man 2. I was really depressed thinking about that while playing lmao, how most of the games I’ve bought since probably 2018 have been the worst at launch and almost immediately discounted in stores after I bought it
I got it with game pass sooo no complaints
"...Bethesda's biggest game ever. Yet it somehow feels like the smallest". What an excellent way to describe the feeling of playing Starfield.
As a huge Bethesda fan I didn’t even play starfield for more than 3 hours.
Hello Jo. I am an exectutive from Bethesda. I would love to go on vacation with you
75 hours in and I had to just put it down… I was playing myself saying that I enjoyed it.
If you want my opinion, "Playing" isn't the correct term for it, it's more of a "drag yourself to interact with it"
HOW TO SAVE STARFIELD (well, I have 250hrs of gameplay so hear me out - ONLINE + END-GAME):
- (END-GAME) in short game does not have END-GAME gameplay (we need lvl 100+ planets, darkholes with strong gravity only for superior ships, advanced ship builder/parts, more hard/horror encounters, aliens:) - please add some crazy hard challanges + game is too easy on "very hard";
- (ONLINE GAMEPLAY) - add a Quest after the Main Quest to unlock travel to planets where the ONLINE gameplay is possible (wormholes to another universes) - ONLINE space ship fight (when you die your ship needs 5k repair cost), land on planet to meet another players...
- (CRAFTING ECONOMY) the whole automated crafting does not have much sense... it is broken and it needs to be revamped - what should I do with 10000 units of an crafted item? - so I propose to have a requirement for some daily item production to support ship maitanance, outpost
maitanance :)
- (SHIP BUILDER) - more parts and even more customization would be welcome - it is one of the best game parts - it is worth to still improve it, the question is where out ships are stored?... we need on planet hangar/gallery;
- (SKILLS) - more shills would be welcome especially for 100+ lvl;
- (CREW-MEMBERS) more epic crew members like more robots;
- (SPACE IMMERSION) - more on planet effects are needed (storms, winds, rain), we need black-holes (only best ships could traver there to sustain radiation/gravity), magnetars, neuron stards, wormholes etc
The enemy ai thing is so baffling to me. I distinctly remember playing fallout 4 and the enemies always either weaved and dodged or took cover, threw grenades and sometimes even used stealth boys. How did they fuck up something they did well like 6 years ago?
all those people left fot better pay elsewhere
Fallout 4 never had good ai. I’ve been replaying it lately and the enemies are just as stupid as Starfield’s.
@@nolanthedude But I liked Fallout 4. It actually had somewhat of a plot.
Beggars belief right, I can only put it down to an in experienced dev team
@joeking433 it's actually a really bad fallout game infact it's the worse and also a really poor excuse for an RPG,
Starfield made people realize how impressive no man's sky actually was, even at launch. Smooth transitions, no loading, free reign to go ANYWHERE whenever you wanted, etc.
The broken, hated game at launch was already better at exploration than starfield, from a studio known for their exploration.
And now it's actually good
Facts NMS with a hotas is fkn phenomenal
@@xbigcalx I have GOT to try out a hotas on NMS/Star Citizen man...
Well to be fair, starfield has actual story and quests whereas no man's sky is depleted of anything. There's no shit to do other than walk around.
@@100500daniel that's so far from true at this point, man.
They've been dropping entire alt universe quest lines with big rewards, galaxy spanning quests to grow alien eggs, even years ago I distinctly recall having some NPC companion quests with genuine consequence for their story depending on your decisionmaking.
And NMS keeps adding more.
So is it an RPG like starfield? No. But it definitely has stuff to do now, and I'm not anywhere near caught up to modern NMS either.
Besides that, I've heard a LOT of critique about starfield's quest design and story as well. Mainly that it's just walking between places again and again, which is at best the same as no man's sky, but no man's sky has better traversal with the ability to land, to have huge freighters, bases, land, sea, and air vehicles, etc. and full multiplayer, online co-op missions, etc.
Joe being drafted into an undercover mission because he stole a drink is hilarious.
That happens in skyrim too lol
Same happened to me but because I was trying to put a vase back on a desk after knocking it off
@duckwithagun2791 i mean come on like they don't give him review copies for a reason lmao. So what you expect? If the game is long he takes longer.
STOP RIGHT THERE!!! DRINK STEALER!!! YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW!!!
@M_M386 does it?
The most groundbreaking aspect of Starfield is how it makes a game from 16 years ago (Mass Effect) feel like it is still ahead of its time.
It is all about passion. Which seems really lacking in Bethesda of today
Yea i told a friend i just dont trust bethesda no more after 76..... He got super pissy and said well thats on you and im sitting here like look dude just cuz YOU blatantly ignore all their fuck ups dont mean i will ..... The game is average at best ive heard mixed shit on it and honestly my friend is the ONLY one ive heard say its as good as it is........
I loved driving Mako! It was truly groundbreaking! Deploying probe? Oh that was perfect gaming!
it really was, and has been clearly. teams and individuals really do make a huge difference
Mass Effect releasing 16 years ago just makes me feel insanely old and I'm 27 lol
Honestly 6/10 is generous, I'd say its more like a 4. This is coming from someone whos favorite game is Skyrim (even without mods) and loves Bethesda's games from Morrowind to Fallout 4.
The company changed in between morrowind and oblivion
Never thought I'd see the day when launch day No Man's Sky turned out to be more immersive than a Bethesda game.
That is savage. Also true. Still a terribly boring game at launch, but it's improved substantially.
Sipping on someones drink to then be selected for an undercover special forces mission because of your criminal record is like its straight out of a SpongeBob episode😂
Confess?! Are you outta your mind?! Do you have any idea what they do to people like us? We're not talking about some dumb mail fraud scheme or hijacking here. WE STOLE A DRINK!! And they are gonna lock us up forever!
After reading this, the Mermaidman and Barnacle Boy theme played in my head. 😂
At this point Bethesda should just start making comedic or satirical games. They can obviously not do serious storytelling anymore.
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@@amysteriousviewer3772yup they've fallen off in the writing department
Starfield is another game in the laundry list of proof that 10 hours of tight, well written, and impactful content is always better than 10 hours of that same content in between 990 hours of pointless junk
Baldur's Gate 3 is incredibly long, tho I completely agree on your take. Good combat and compact story is all I need, hell I love cyberpunk after the new update and dlc.
True
Except starfield doesnt have 10 hours of well written content....
Except people don't play Bethesda for short, linear high-quality stories. They play it for the exploration
@@hihihi1q23unfortunately, that sucks ass in starfield.
The going undercover and risking life for stealing a drink part was pure gold! Thanks for the laugh
The worst news about those starborn powers is each "NG+" run you can collect them again to make them stronger and they cap out at 10... 240 TIMES YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THEM TO MAX THE ALL OUT!
The real shocker is that this engine will also be used in Elder Scrolls 6, coming out in a few years. It's going to be so behind the times it's absurd.
the engine starfield is on is literally only used in starfield. so many games out there rocking source engine which came out almost two decades ago but it clearly isn’t the same one games use today.
@@luchachopper4476 starfield has the same engine issue of fallout 4, fallout 76 and skyrim, it's the same shitty engine not intended for huge space game regardless of what developer say and you can't compare source engine to this mess.
@@luchachopper4476 You Todd Coward fanboys are just ,, sad.
And yet, people will still buy it, because it's Elder Scrolls.
@@giorgialadashvili4771 Oh no no, don't muddy that name with this IP.
This is Todd Cowards cash-grab piece so he can stock for a future short Space-trip for himself, it's so obvious. _He's_ obsessed with Space maybe (well, more, himself) - but sadly, his 'Space' game wasn't.
The bottleneck is no longer technological. Its creativity.
Hello Jo. I am an exectutive from Bethesda. I would love to go on vacation with you
in this case it’s literally both
Has been past 10 years
@@capitcha Well, it's not THE technology, it's THEIR technology that's the problem. When Creation engine came out, it was revolutionary. Now, it's 12 years old and Bethesda is still using most of the base code, much of which itself is from the Gamebryo engine that is now 26 years old.
@@capitcha this game had a budget of 200 mil, BG3 had a budget of 100 mil. It's not a budget issue
can't believe nobody in Bethesda thought about space buggies or rovers...
I can’t believe they didn’t think that any of these factions wouldn’t have at least 10-15 cities across the galaxy. Instead each one had like 1 city smaller than the campus of a major university. Fantastic.
In my opinion they either thought of it but then realized they can waste more of your time if you are forced to walk everywhere.
Or B their ancient ass engine can't the character moving 3 times faster than the sprinting speed.
"when astronauts went to the Moon there was nothing there and they weren't bored"
Because that was fucking real life! Being on the surface of the moon in real life, seeing it with your own eyes, is way more exciting than being on a fake virtual planet in a video game
also im sure they were bored
For real I was saying this exact thing, what a schmuck that guy lol.
If the game made it so it would take 20 years to prepare for that moment, be one of the few people in the history of humanity that was allowed to do it, knowing that absolutely anything that could go wrong will have to be fixed by me, then the game would be as exciting as real life if there was some actual hardships, or any cheap tricks if they really are lazy, to get me involved.
If taking off and landing would be a real challenge, then I can guarantee that something as mundane as landing on a lifeless rock in space would be exciting. It's just lazy and bad game design all around.
Todd Howard when he realizes that astronauts dont click a fast travel button, wait through a loading screen, then teleport instantly to the moon: 🤯😱
Hello Jo. I am an exectutive from Bethesda. I would love to go on vacation with you
Isn't Joe like the only reviewer from the old era of YT where he still do to comedy skits? Bless him for that.
And after 10 years the timing is still off 😅 I swear they go on 30 seconds too long every single time
@@eon5323part of the charm ig 😂😂💀💀😭
@@eon5323And that’s why we love them 😂
@@eon5323 yeah the comedic timing is way off sometimes
No. Nostalgia critic is still at it as well
Bethesda is dead to me. I felt robbed paying 60 dollars for Fallout 4, not making that same mistake.
I don't understand the hate for fallout 4.. Its really good.. Better than skyrim imo.. Its dumbed down the rpg elements but still good.. Skyrim is boring. Morrowind and oblivion are amazing though
@@johnnyflannigan136 I found Fallout 4 to be by far the worst BGS game I've played, and I just hate to see Bethesda go down this road of lazy game design and writing. I want Bethesda to improve, and I won't buy another game from them unless they pull a 180 and try to do things completely differently. No more "the mods will fix it"
@johnnyflannigan136 no
@@Zach_DArcanum was the last fallout game.
@@TempoLOOKING Don't you think Fallout: New Vegas deserves that honor? Ave, True to Caesar!
They should’ve done something like Borderlands 3 did. One solar system with like 5 rich, fully explorable worlds.
😂Gearbox is bad too but Borderlands 3 was at least not boring. Story sucked the characters some of them were horrible but it was fun to play. This game looks outdated and boring as hell.
They could have kept 990 boring lifeless planets too if there were 8 or 10 that were like a quarter of Fallout 4's map size but no, even the populated planets are just one mediocre city and nothing beyond its borders.
Fallout 4 with the mods I have is the best thing i've ever played.
Facts
Lost World? Most definitely
aStoryWealth + aSW Harder/Survival collections from Nexus
That and Skyrim... Especially in VR
I pity you
"Somehow feels like the smallest Bethesda game" That's actually what I think every time I play Starfield
Hello Jo. I am an exectutive from Bethesda. I would love to go on vacation with you
Wtf@@gringote1783
I think Joe said it well. About 10 hours into the game I felt like I was doing a job, not playing a game.
So destiny 2 😂😂😂😂
forcing players to (slow) wait in trader shops for 48 hours is so that players can say. " i played starfield and it took me 150 hours to beat it"
its like diluting the experience. its like adding water to gasoline. its just like how more and more movies are being filmed in the dark because its cheaper and easier to do.
AAA companies like Bethesda and EA have gotten away with murder in this era of gaming
It's because people keep buying the shit.
Well at least EA also makes GOTY titles.
@@kraenk12 And Bethesda doesn't?
That is what happens when "business" people take over video game development. All about money, and no passion...
Stop buying this garbage
My biggest overall gripe with Starfield is the lack of dynamic exploration. It's essentially nonexistent. One of the truly wondrous parts about The Elder Scrolls or Fallout games is the simple fact that you can look to the horizon, see something interesting, and just _go_ there. And I'd bet most of us would end up getting completely sidetracked in our journey. We'd end up wandering around from interesting thing to interesting thing. Stumbling on random places, peoples, or events.
Starfield has basically none of that. There is no journey. No wandering. No getting lost and exploring. The "random" events aren't even surprises because there's a very specific and obvious way to trigger them.
Try to remember how awesome it was to just travel around in Red Dead Redemption 2. There were tons of interesting little scenes of everyday life (sometimes horrific as it was) that made the world feel alive. Everything was fluid so you didn't have to worry about loading screens breaking the immersion. You spent so much time searching out these little extras that before you knew it, you were basically clear across the map from where you actually wanted to be and it was hours later than you realized.
That's what I had expected from Starfield.
I mean, it's a Bethesda game... right? It's basically the cornerstone of their RPGs... right? Apparently not. That formula of awe-inspiring world exploration? Completely absent. And Todd Howard's excuse of "but space is boring, lol"? Get fucking bent. You didn't develop a boring space simulator, you developed Skyrim in space. And failed.
Yeah the best feature of their games is missing here wich makes this game mediocre at best.
Read read 2 is a shit fest and snooze fest. I struggled to stay awake during horse rides. Shit game
Honestly, when seeing the initial reviews and impressions this was THE reason why I didn't even try this game. I was a big fan of the TES series and have monumental gaming memories from these games. All of them were due to the adventure combined with the stunning music. The sense of awe when seeing huge flying monstrosities in the distance for the first time while the magical Caprice is playing; killing my first dragon and then feeling like I drained the whole world of life while standing besides the Skeleton in the middle of the night with Standing Stones pulling my heartstrings...the quests were always mediocre at best, the NPC behavior wonky, the main story so boring I never finished it in a single game. But this sense of adventure and finding something interesting and unique around the next corner - no other game offered this.
Well said mate. I am a Bethesda fan and I just can't get into the game. After about just 40 hours I have lost interest in it. It feels empty and like you said with a "lack of dynamic exploration." That is the main reason why even though Fallout 76 got a lot of hate, I really enjoyed it. It had that exploration that you're talking about. Very dissapointed with the game.
It feels like a bunch of assets thrown into a blender and having AI copy/paste all that stuff around the galaxy, with no actual context and story tying it all together.
17:20 It's over, Joe. He has the high ground.
Starfield's crowning achievement was getting Larian to give us Baldur's Gate 3 a little sooner.
Suck it Todd
Fucking savage
@@xbigcalx Thank you.
A big issue I had with the game as well is that there was a lack of scale. Like we have these huge multi planet powers yet there’s only like 4 cities that most of the time take less than 5 minutes to walk across
Very true, the cities are lacking in scope and there’s only a few. Something weird though, I just saw a mod that allows you to manually fly from planet to planet by making you go incredibly fast…so it is possible to travel without a loading screen. Why Bethesda didn’t add some sublight speed into the game is so confusing knowing this. That itself would of increased the scale factor…in space at least lol.
It's not about size, it's about detail which it has. He played hundreds of hours already. And I'm talking only about cities.
The game is nothing BUT issues.
I would rather live in a SHITTY ASS cardboard box very high up in a cold mountain with 2 balloon dolls for companionship than to play this LOUSY ASS of a game called Starfield 😁
They are an extremely lazy studio filled with people that are about to retire literally
After a full playthrough of the game, the best thing I can say is I would be very upset if I had actually paid for it.
How much does it cost?
@@Booty_WarriorGaming Free ninety-nine.
@@Booty_WarriorGaming £70, but if you've got game pass it's free 😂.
I've got game pass and I still felt ripped of playing starfield.
@@Booty_WarriorGaming try google. You're already half-way there.
Thats why I always take a look at playthroughs before I buy a game. It's saved me from plenty of ill purchases.
My excitement for Elder Scrolls 6 died swiftly.
Hoist the black flag mate! Codex/Repak ftw
This game really made me appreciate cyberpunk more, and for that reason it’ll always be no worse than mid.
Phantom Liberty dropped and I went back to CP to play it. Dear god I was blown away with how seamless it all was. And god the gameplay is so much more fun.
'over 1000 planets and less than 10% have any compelling content' is a perfect statement about the exploration of this game.
That's still 100 planets with compelling content.
@@Dennis-nc3vw less than 10% doesn't mean 10%. I reckon there are only, at most, 20 planets worth more than an hour landing on.
make it 3 + 2 space stations. @@glens18account
@@glens18account that's twenty hours of gameplay before you even have about anything else to whine about.
@@F1jones so you enjoyed that inventory management did you?
Starfield is like that last minute high school project you stayed up all night doing when you had months to work on it
after 160 hrs, i agree
As much as I'm enjoying the game, 150hrs in, I have to agree.
Hell, the main quest wasn't even the best quest. lol.
@@RagingUtaiyou fucking wasted 160 hours in a garbage?
More like that volcano project your excited for then when you actually begin you just want to finish because it’s not what you dreamed
But I got A's for that anyway.
Bethesda Studio joining Microsoft is like an actor joining Marvel Studio. The best of them is in the past.
The worst part about this is that elder scrolls 6 is next. This is not good news
The idea that accidentally drinking someone else's drink leads to you taking down a pirate empire sounds like the basis for a really good comedy movie.
Hitchhikers Guide to intergalactic beverage theft. 😂
Starfield feels like a comedy game
betesda is good with that wierd comedy as we see in fallout
That quest bugged out on me and nothing I could do would fix it. At the very end.
Starslurp
We need someone like you. Somebody who is a real go getter. Impulsive enough to drink a random drink sitting on the table.
its gold
The bane of all h2O drinkers the galaxy over
You a os5 owner I can tell lol
@@lapatabelluda2240 keep trying 👏
Missed an opportunity for “I DRINK IT UP!” :(
I’ve never before been so concerned for the quality of ES 6 🤣
They made Skyrim without the idea that modders will eventually experiment with the game and it turned out good.
They made Starfield with the idea in the back of their head that modders will save the game eventually and it turned out so bad, that modders went back to Skyrim. Cant make this up
"This just isn't gonna cut it anymore. This is the last time they can put out some bullshit like this." -Well said.
Thats what people have been saying for 10 years and they still buy their stupid crap.
Jokes on you guys for buying this trash and funding their next piece of crap game
This should be done in Skyrim, not Starfield
Skyrim was already a supreme lackluster in comparison with other Bethesda games and other games from that time as well
@Beta_Mixes eh?
@@Beta_Mixes This, this, a thousand times this. The graphics were a step up (mostly in the particulates in effects, to my eye), the UI was a bit better (but still got immediately replaced by skyui) and the addition of sprint was wonderful. Other than that, it was so dumbed down compared to Oblivion, which itself was prettied up and dumbed down from Morrowind. Hell, M'aiq the Liar even mentions it in Oblivion, so it's painfully obvious that Bethesda knows.
Bethesda: Hold my beer
So basically Bethesda spent 2 decades and 415 million bucks to remind everyone that obsidian is making a sequel to The Outer Worlds.
I’m worried about The Outer World 2 now. Somehow if it’s a Console exclusive for Xbox n not releasing on PS then u know u have a turd in the bag.
Xbox only making exclusive to those games which r broken turd. Games r better that’s r multiplat just look at there games. Sea of trash, Redfall, Starfield etc r all shit
@@asifmetal666is there something wrong with just saying are?
But the Outer Worlds was small, boring, bland, uninspired, etc. ...
The issue with games is not.... that they're not releasing on PS.
Honestly i think it would be worse in this case, because they would have to sink even more money into porting it on THAT artchtecture. @@asifmetal666
Also what? "Exclusive games are trash"? Are you 12? Ever heard of the Halo II and III? Breath of the wild? @@asifmetal666
What a lot of games are missing is emotions in characters, speech, behavior... they're all so goddamn correct
The comment from todd about the nasa astronauts being excited to be on the moon really gets me.
Of course, they weren't bored. They were on THE ACTUAL REAL LIFE MOON.
The procedurally generated quests were the worst part of Skyrim, so they made an entire game based off them.
Hello Jo. I am an exectutive from Bethesda. I would love to go on vacation with you
They were also the best part of fallout 4 too! Everybody definitely LOVED Preston Garvey as a character and how he would ceaselessly bombard the player with radiant quests without even being asked!
@@courier6960There wasn't a single play through where I actually took him along as a companion because you were just randomly given me a quest while I was out shooting shit.
@@courier6960funny thing is that if you take care of all of your existing settlements he will not bombard you with quest. I found that out with my first play through. Kept pestering him hoping to get a quest to level up only for him to act like a regular companion.
Thats not what procedurally generated means 😂 that's called "radiant quests" as in ones that never end
In Fallout 3, Fallout 4 and the Elder Scrolls games, an incredibly important part of the gameplay was 'transitory exploration'. You would have a place on the map that you want to go to, either for a quest objective or just because you wanna see what's there, and on your way there you would pass by or through other interesting locations. You'd either divert your journey to go check them out or make a note to come back to check it out later.
I honestly doubt such an experience is even possible in Starfield.
Bingo
Exactly. That is the whole point of a Bethesda RPG
Looking back on Skyrim, the map really wasn't that big. Locations were fairly close together, and you could see across most of the map from high ridges or mountain tops. But there was so much to do, and exploring the map was fun and led into huge dungeons that weren't really a part of the story. I do really like Starfield, but the map feels smaller and less connected despite its scale.
This! I had this feeling about Starfield, trying to think about what was the best part for me about the Elder Scrolls games and fallout, and thanks to your comment, I remember now!
I loved in Oblivion when, while doing a main quest, I saw a ruined castle and thought:"Let's see what happens in there". Sure, sometimes it was just another bandit camp, other times a small adventure but it was still cool to do.
This kind of feeling is what is missing in Starflied!
You can explore planets but it takes SO MUCH time to get anywhere. The game doesn't tell you that you can use the scanner on unknown points to tell you what category of location it is. But the type of that category is unclear until you actually visit it.
The abandoned mining platform is still one of my favorite "discoveries"... It was one of the "what's that in the distance?" Things but you late so much time to get to any points.
My friends and I have been planning to just lose ourselves in Starfield for atleast 3 months....
3 weeks in, none of us were playing the game...
Ya...
It's weird because in Fallout 4 the NPCs always turn around to speak with you. I don't get how they went backwards with such simple concepts like facing someone when they talk to you.
Starfield should have been one fully explorable solar system. Imagine like 4 or 5 fully handcrafted planets, alongside a couple of moons. Would have been legendary. Instead... we got this.
The use of ai for the Todd Howard segments is hysterical. One of the funniest angry reviews in a while.
Thats god Howard to you, mortal
when i heard it i was confused for a second , i was like something is not right.
Its from a video called "Honest Conference" and is very much worth watching the entire thing!
thank you, was wondering this all through the video!@@NSXtacy-
Todd: "something´s wrong with the game and i can´t quite put my finger on it"
Todd casually relating a literal out of world very unique and rare human experience that is landing on the moon to visiting a planet in his game is ludicrous, yet so him
The Bethesda PR team is also using this argument while responding to negative reviews about the game. It seems they forget that BEING ON THE MOON IN REAL LIFE ISN'T BORING.
@@WafflezDay It'd be the highlight of any person's life
Todd the clown...
That is insane cope LMAO. I can't believe they actually excused their boring game by saying "but IRL it's fun!"
@@Korra228
It’s INSANELY out-of-touch for them to use this false equivalency.
Like my 6-year-old niece loves playing on the swings at the park but if I handed her a video game where you did that, how quickly did you think it would be that she would get bored?
Starfield had a budget of $200,000,000.
But no one knows where the other $199,000,000 went 🤷🏼♀️
It really hurts to see basically space fallout, which sounds awesome in concept, be weighed down by the charming clunk that is no longer charming when upscaled to hd
OJ's NPC impersonation was 100% convincing. I could barely tell if it was him or if they just used game footage...
Hello Traveler, How can I help you today? (However, just like in CSI : Law and Order I can not stop working my New York laboring job to give a police interview about a murder. The boss is watching.)
Could never thank Joe and the team enough for the years and years of enjoyment ive gotten out of this show.
literally, thank you Joe and the crew for everything you do for us
@@KCB336nah fr outta all of TH-cam he genuinely might be one of the only OG’s to not switch up and just be himself along w his boys.
This channel is a triumphant success story in this creepy day and age
It's always been a channel for gamers and not just for the games that we play.
Same
Since people are actually reading this I wanna reiterate dont buy starfield its sh1t. Play No mans Sky or Cyberpunk instead youll enjoy it much more.
Howard needs to step down and let a new director take over. Since Oblivion he's been releasing the same fucking game for almost 20 years straight now.
Really not looking forward to TES6 anymore.
This is the most ethical use of AI...I love hearing Todd Howard speak the truth about his own games in Joe and crew's videos
That was the first time I saw that clip and was dying laughing 😂
Soon we will be able to rent a apology of totally real Todd Howard ourselves
I couldn’t tell the difference honestly.
@@r.e.z9428 I only noticed initially when the words were COMPLETELY out of sync with his mouth.
I was rolling when that part came up lol😂😂
34:18 there was one mission where I had to steal something from someone's office, but I couldn't succeed because he was in the room and I kept getting detected. I searched for a way to maybe get him to leave the room or something, but couldn't find anything.
What did I do?
I pulled out my gun and shot the item several times until it was in a spot behind a pillar, where I could grab it without being detected. That's stealth in a Bethesda game.
Lmao
10/10
Yeah....bethesda is dead... Skyrim was the beginning of the end.. Much worse than other elder scrolls games
@@johnnyflannigan136 I thought Skyrim was great, but it was very rail-road with its quests. The only player choices you really get to choose are which faction to side with in the Civil War questline. I'd point out that you can be the head honcho of any faction, but there's no point since you'll always be relegated to errand boy (which is a Bethesda writing problem in general), on TOP of being the leader of literally every faction in one playthrough. It really takes the gravity of such a position away.
Like almost all RPGs, Bethesda games are at their best if you just head-canon what you want and completely ignore the writing (not including New Vegas). I love interacting with individual characters, and the environments are top notch, but damn if the quest writing isn't complete dogshit.
Skyrim's quests are massive downgrade compared to Oblivion.
The best review channel out there. So specific and no fluff.
Most accurate Starfield review so far. I think you were overly charitable with 6/10. I'd give it 4.5/10.
It's a great time sink but there is nothing else going for it.
Don't care about any of the quests or characters and the Map or lack thereof kills any involvement to get any quest done.
Most fun I had was going psycho on the neon world and just being a random crazy shooter.
If that's the most fun to be had there's a serious problem with your game.
Luv and Peace.
The criminalization of drink drinking had me dying in laughter
"I'll sip your drink, I'LL SIP IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!"
That's unsanitary, there could be like spit in there...gross.
I know right! I didn't get it when they opened with that skit, then laughed my ass off when revealed 😂😂
The new ‘I accidentally picked up the wooden bowl’ scenario 😂
One of my biggest frustrations is the UI navigation and fast traveling system, It was unnecessarily confusing
it took me 200hours to get the controller menu right. trying to jump to a planet...took that long to get muscle memory right. trouble was the game was literally only three things - with lots of well made well designed little mini games. after 290hours I still cant tell you how to get from the starport, to the commercial area, to the residential area, to the lodge. have no idea which way to turn or run. i get how much better not having a map is (vanilla wow was the same) but a city map would have helped... no bosses meant once you got a good gun. it was boring.
According Colteastwood Npcs are the best so real the same level at red dead 2
@@ArielCleirigh
People are allowed their own opinion and I didn't mention npcs
Todd the liar Howard
@@ArielCleirighsarcasm? Because RDR2's NPCs are dog-wank. 😂
Fool me once ( Fallout76 ), shame on you. Fool me twice ( Starfield ). . . . shame on . . . . you can't get fooled a second time.
Dude seeing the space flight comparison hurt me of what coulda been. The guy playing NMS is like "WOOOOOE!" having a blast going lightspeed. And then you think of the load screen SF puts you through. :( bummer man.
I swear the night club dancing has the exact same energy as all of Bethesda games. You can be in the middle of an epic quest and yet everyone feels so bored like they're sniffing valium 24/7...
Dangit who left vault 112 open
Joe, I love your channel. For the love of god, run background checks on the people that apply for the vacation thing.
Guarantee some angry person will try assаssinating him for trashing their favorite Madden LOL
What?
Absolutely…
partying and gaming with joe would be awesome
Or they could be some kind of undercover drink stealer
No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk 2077 at release: "See, not so easy. Is it?"
I only now notice. They STILL are using a Finite State Machine for their AI?!? Like seriously. Those weird behaviour freezes are the classic sign of a FSM running into a State-change error.
FSM were popular decades ago in games like Half-Life, but have largely been replaced by Behaviour Trees, which allow for far easier creation of complex dynamic behaviour for in-game Agents with the ability to snap out through just a tiny tweak . Everyone uses them from large shooters to small indie games like Project Zomboid (whose developer made pretty much the definitive guide on how to work with them). Even i am using a BT for an animatronic project... Bethesda. STOP USING OUTDATED CRAP!!!... Also HIRE BETTER WRITERS.
One of the worst experiences I had in Starfield was going to Neon. I was getting hyped by all the characters telling me how terrible Neon was and how dangerous. I get their and worst aspect I found was poor NPCs in an area that's considered the worst area were mugging and robby is daily life to these people and they were talking about stock options... never got mugged or attacked, just found some NPCs talking about what stock options they should do....
hahhaha, thats hilarious.
Imo the npcs are so lifeless. I find it hard to immerse myself in starfield. I wanna like it so badly but I'm constantly playing something else I just can't get hooked for some reason. I loved the fallout and elder scrolls games. I'm still gonna give it a chance but something is missing and I can't quite put my finger on it
Maybe it’s some commentary on stocks being broad day robbery 😅
Current-day american game studio's idea of "dangerous neighborhood". 100% closeted and out-of-touch with reality.
It's like a game made for religious children. Everything is so watered down and 'safe' - the quests, the NPCs, the dialogue, the exploration, the environments (Neon 'nightclubs' LOL), etc. I do wonder if Bethesda now makes games for people who don't play games.
The companions' morality is so upsetting for me. And the worst is that they would say the worst things to you and the next second they'll greet you like you're the best person they've ever met
“You disgusting pig”
Just be a good guy 👍 even on your third new game plus!
Did a pirate play through and towards the final act every single member took me aside to berate me over every question resolution I had taken. They made a bunch of judgmental ,virtue signalers the main faction that you're required to heavily interact with the progress the game. It's some FO3 nonsense.
@@ManOfEthnicity
Maybe you are just a shit person in general. If you disagree with a bunch of virtue-signalers, then just kill them and get friends that agree with you.
Now, not being able to do that is on Bethesda.
But I simply do not remember any of the virtue stuff being a problem in FO3, sure the karma system is eh, but who cares anyway.
I think they’re morality is based on the way Todd treats the dev team
This has got to be one of the funniest reviews you guys have done!
Starborn? Powers? Adoring Fan?
This is just Skyrim with guns in space.
It's worse than Skyrim. Skyrim had a progression system that actually resembled an RPG, a fairly immersive and interesting map that gave you a lot of freedom and contained a lot of interesting things to do, plus Bethesda's cheesy, cliche, and overly simplistic PG-13 dialog wasn't as jarring in such a fantastical setting.
Starfield on the other hand is a database of hundreds of small maps separated by loading screens, with a smattering of procedurally generated landscapes that don't look that great for a game that pens itself as "a mix of hard sci-fi and fantasy." I just wish they would have devoted all the resources and energy they put into this game into Elder Scrolls 6. All the stale Bethesda BS and dumbed down RPG mechanics would have been more tolerable in an Elder Scrolls game with one large map where moving through loading screens isn't so much of the experience. Experiences like Balders Gate 3 and Witcher 3 put Bethesda's "RPGs" to shame.
6/10 was extremely generous of you TBH. This company needs to evolve their gameplay/systems and work on quality once more.
Why Bugthesta would work on quality when they can release skyrim again, fanboys gonna buy it again, with that money they gonna try to release something new again and 16x the detail is easly turned into 16x the money for Todd to get new car or something.
They don`t even bother to fix their games since fanboys gonna do it for free for them.
@@freespeech3817 brother, your brain firing neurons is like a beehive releasing bees - just a gooey mess of angry haha. Compose yourself
@@DavyDave1313 What do you find so angry about my comment? Or you just claiming things to feel better with yourself after I said truth about the sorry state Bugthesda studio is in?
If you want to engage in conversation then learn some respect and talk about the topic instead of this poor attempt at gaslighting me"haha."
StarSlop enjoyers at finest.
The realization that this game cost over $400 million dollars to make is insane.
... I'm sorry, WHAT?!
Tf did they do with all that lmao
@@maxd11111 Todd pocketed it.
Yup I mean that makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is how you can spend $400 million making a game that once again has absolutely unremarkable writing on every single possible level. If they hired someone who knew how to write compelling and consistent characters and stories, this $400 million dollar game wouldn’t feel like such a waste of a game world. FNV proof of this in my opinion. It’s a Bethesda game with mostly good writing and that’s what sets it apart from all other recent Bethesda games.
@@PeterGriffin-rp9iq FNV was made by Obsidian Entertainment.
Joe you are a grown man who knows wayyyyy more about the internet and dealing with people on it that I do. But idk Dawg the whole “going on vacation with 7 fans” just seems like a recipe for disaster. Not even saying like something extreme like getting hurt or killed just my brain went “that’s not a good idea” just saying.
Me in prison: I stole a Sweet Roll
Everyone Else: This place is filled with crazy people!!!
Man seeing Joe in 2023 feels like revisiting an old friend.
Been subbed since 2014 lol, not a huge fan of all the other content but man Joe's game reviews have consistently been top notch.
I don't always find his skits or type of comedies funny, but it's comfy regardless
I was happy to see he’s surged past 3 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS ! Amazing legacy, to Joe & Co 😃
He hasn’t changed a bit
TH-cam personalities ARE my old friends. Parasocial relationships are vastly superior to actual friends
so i gotta say it.. the pacing for this review is FAR better than any review you have done before. the timing of the jokes were not overdone. good job.
ehhh still could be better with the jokes but I agree overall. Great review
@@mistermistermr732ehh
This review is better than Midfield
Yeah, looks like he decided to put some effort into this one. Haven't seen that in a long time XD
This guy 🙄🤣
Twenty-five years and Bethesda has never even made an attempt to make the crime system reasonable:
True Story: I just saved all humanity, was named hero of UCC by the President, named a First Class Citizen and was given tons of money and my own penthouse apartment.
Me: Reaches over to the President's desk and picks up a notepad, perhaps to take a note on where my new penthouse apartment is located
Game: 650 BOUNTY INCURRED
UCC President: SECURITY! Stop Thief! (as UCC Marines rush in and hold me at gunpoint)
Someone tell Xbox that having nothing but shit exclusives is just as bad as not having exclusives at all.
It’s actually comedy to think people were confident enough that this would win Game of the Year. 😂
Game of decade.
The Last of Us 2 won game of the year 2020, so it's possible that Starfield might
@@thedoctor3996 At least TLOU2 had fantastic graphics and game-play. Starfield won't be even nominated for GOTY.
bethesda has an army of dedicated fans, every review that dared to even slightly criticise the game at launch were torn to pieces.
Most of those fans are probably regretting it, now that they realize how nothing it really is@@ergohash2517
Funniest part about the UI is that even TODD HOWARD admitted he uses a UI mod for Skyrim when he plays. So they developed a game for 8 years, knew the UI system was garbage and then proceeded to make it even worse. Top tier game development right there...
And now they're blaming Fallout 76 multiplayer and Elder Scrolls 6 earliness on fans. They are just empty suits IMO.
and it just works, over 10 million copies sold ? hahaha todd that mad boy must be laughing at the criticism :) gamers really, really dont care about much in their games.
@Enkabard
Where did you get this number from? 10 million players, yes but most of them on gamepass. Steam sales are estimated around 1,5 to 5 million.
@@Hallo1248574 they sold 6 million copies in first week, so considering its been nearly two months since release, they are probably at 15-20 million copies, so with 10 million it was safe number to say for 100%.
You're fooling yourselves if you think Elder Scrolls 6 isn't going to be some massive cut-corners, microtransaction fuckfest.
Perhaps Bethesda is approaching a turning point in their company which could make or break it and might need a change of face and direction to build a new mature reputation rather than trying to cling onto what was.
What Bethesda have produced here with Starfield speaks volumes about what the company has evolved into today, it's future direction and the quality of it's content gamers should expect to receive in the future.
Bethesda needs a new face, new approach, new management and direction when it comes to developing games.
Todd needs to go.. I appreciate what he did for morrowind and oblivion but every game he releases is worst than the last... Skyrim wasn't even that good.. Not when compared to morrowind and oblivion.. I like fallout 4 more than skyrim. The quests and voice acting are so much better.. Though Skyrim did have SOME cool quests..and exploring the world was cool. They need new leadership ASAP
This review is far more entertaining than the actual game.
It''ll be a classic in the future, it's so nice to see Joe still making quality reviews in 2023.
Mad cuz bad :D this game is goty
@@naalir6120 take your meds buddy
"mad cuz bad" its the easiest game ever created, the difficulty is for children. go back to playing your kids game@@naalir6120
@@Luhiner he smoking that copium he needs to stop taking his meds 😂
Joe coming across the Crimson Fleet missions by sipping a stolen drink is the most Angry Joe thing that could happen to Joe
Which buried another annoying flaw. You can't just eat or drink stuff you find. First you have to bury it in your inventory and then go scrounging for it to consume it for that sweet sweet 3 health. Add it to the pile of under baked crap that is this game
@@DamianSheeshyup there's so many consumables the fact you just can't hit a button to consume is just dumb.
@@MrJbedo Even more dumb is the food put into the same menu as meds, now you have to very carefully consume food at a slow speed to heal because you might accidentally take some random medication or drug and waste it.
even an empty planet to explore might be better, than an empty planet with random facilities all over the place. they managed to make a big void of nothing, but couldn't manage to create a single feel of vastness in a whole universe
I played Starfield for maybe 20 hours and now I just can't get back into it. It's just boring. What is the point of it?