another argument that can be made is when Robert Oppenheimer is known for being the father of Nuclear Bombs, never launched a physical Nuke himself, but his famous quote " i am become death, destroyer of worlds" kinda proves that he is partially responsible for the deaths of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I personally wouldn't consider Haber a saint. Nuclear energy helped a lot of people but also is responsible for destroying many lives as well.
@@michaelrivera2030 He also wasn't a naturally evil person. He thought the suffering caused by poison gas would save lives by shortening the war. In hindsight, we know he was wrong, but that is why hindsight is always 20/20
The simple fact that they teach with every song is what makes them amazing. I knew about chemical warfare, but i never heard of the Scientist who invented ammonia. Good Job Sabaton! Should be required in school.
To be more specific, he founded the process for making synthetic ammonia. Ammonia is naturally occurring, but for human use is rather hard to acquire for our usage. What he did was, IIRC, made it from air alone (using nitrogen in the air) and something else
@@YaBoiTheGrimReaper if youre refering to the other element in the last few words: Ammonia is NH3 which means that Hydrogen is the second "ingredient" for Ammonia
The controversy comes from the fact that he made toxic gas as a weapon, not something that was used as a weapon against his will and he had no remorse about it. BUT at the same time, he invented something that helped to feed billions of people. It's very hard to draw a line and say for sure was he a savior or a monster. My opinion: he was both
He was definitely both, and if I remember right he was also one of those people who get it into their heads that if they create a weapon so terrible and deadly, using it would be enough to end war and bring peace (which was his mindset about using gas in warfare). The problem is that's something that generally doesn't work, ultimately all it does is make everyone else rush to make their own versions.
@@saintcynicism2654 Not necessarily true, it worked against Japan and one can theorize that the existence of nuclear weapons kept war out of western Europe after the second world war.
@@saintcynicism2654 If memory serves, Hiram Maxim hoped his machine gun would do the same thing: that those in power would be so horrified by the thought of these weapons being employed - and the mass casualties that would result from their use - that no one would seek to wage war again.
@@Skumgummiii Except whether it worked or was even needed against Japan is something people disagreed on at the time and *still* disagree on now, and I'd argue the fear of an increasingly hostile Soviet Union plus thoroughly annihilated economies & infrastructure did a hell of a lot more to keep war out of Western Europe than nukes did. Two incredibly costly world wars have basically caused much of Western Europe to become staunchly opposed to the idea of another war, and they'll probably remain that way until the memory of the carnage the wars left behind finally fades. That's not to say there are no militant hawks in any of those countries, but they've got nowhere near the following they could have expected to have pre-WWI.
He specifically worked in the chemical weapons program. I mean, hes in the middle for most I still believe that hes in the saint category. The lives that could be exceeded the lives taken by the chemical weapons he created. You also have to think ammonia was also a direct countermeasure to a later chemical weapon he developed. So in a sense he even counteracted himself to a degree
Not sure about that... I mean, his creation of the chemical weapons aspect wasn't necessarily killing people quickly. It was killing them slowly for years to come. That is worse than killing peopel quickly in my opinion.
@@FemaleSniper86 Depends if they feel pain from it. If they just live for a while and then slowly die, it’s better imo, cause then they can still say goodbye for real. If they die instantly, there will be things they never got to do which they really wanted or truly say bye to their loved ones.
My argument is he did his part. He did his duty to the world by creating it. Then he wanted to help the war effort (the war to end all wars mind you). So he created chemical weapons as his contribution to his country in an effort to end the war. He's almost on the same level as I daresay the Manhattan Project scientists...they merely played a part in ending a war. After the invention of these devices it was out of their hands.
@@ARC_Lt._Copy i suppose... but is it painfree to lose your eyes? Lung capacity? And so on... pretty sure they werent greatful for surviving all the time
I love how deep and haunting this song is. The guitars and the absolute shadowy and ominous depths of Joakim's voice in this truly evokes the creeping, strangling terror of poison gas. It almost flows like green mist out of blackened cauldron like witchcraft while clearly being staunchly about the horrors of a scientific breakthrough. It muddles the two together in the fog of war. I feel that the asking about "where will your breakthroughs lead?" is more an allusion that chemical warfare is the first in an arsenal of weapons that are put into the category of mass destruction. As well as the fact that later chemical engineers built off Haber's works to murder millions intentionally in the Holocaust. And I have to point out that Haber did, in fact, create both chlorine and phosogene gas as well as the methods in which to deliver them on the battlefield. Before the Great War, he created the fertilizer ammonia nitrate (that we still use today) to increase food yields to feed billions. And then during the Great War, he knowingly and willingly created the first weapons of mass destruction. So yes, he knew. He was well aware. He made the weapons knowing full well what it would do to living tissue. He thought that the terror of soldiers drowning in their own blood would be enough to break the stalemate of the trenches. He was obviously wrong on that account as hundreds of thousands died on both sides with well over a million soldiers with life long scarring to their lungs and eyes. The Central Powers and the Entente Powers both used chemical weapons. So though Haber came from the German Empire, his work was swiftly copied and then used against German soldiers. He fled Germany when the Nazis rose to power because of his Jewish ancestry. And he died long before his work was built upon to murder millions. But since we use his fertilizers to this day, he also still feeds billions from beyond the grave as well. What's the contradiction indeed? I'm glad you reacted to this! You're the first reactor who actually knows who Haber is and what he did. I've wanted for Sabaton to do another song about chemical warfare bc their "Attack of the Dead Men" was so good and delving into the science side and the creation of such a weapon is fascinating. Its terrifying no doubt, but many don't know Haber. I'm glad you knew him and could also appreciate how evocatively ominous and downright oppressive the song feels!
It's great to see a reacter who actually loves history and understands what the nature of the song is. I feel like too often, reaction channels just say the same cliche things about Sabaton. They never know what the song is about or anything about the band. Sabaton is a great and fantastic band. And I see some of their songs as cautionary tales of humanity's ability to inflict evil on each other. And why we should always reject hatred and evil.
I'm a chemist and I can say that without the easy access to ammonia thanks to the Haber-Bosch process (btw: the pronounciation of their names in this song is correct), many basic reactions would be quite expensive. The contradiction mentioned in this song is that Haber also created chemical weapons and (if I remember correctly) even instructed the soldiers how to deploy them correctly.
Thing is...Yes he was and still are helping feed the world with invention of fertiliser, BUT he also was the one who put the toxic gas on the battlefield arguing that it would shorten the conflict
His thoughts were similar to the manhattan project, to end the war quickly so that less people would need to die in the end. History is written by the victors, had central powers won im sure he would be celebrated as the creator of fertilizer.
Hey so let me paint this picture for you so you can understand the logic. We as in the future compared to what was his eternal now have a more complet picture of the war unlike those who were living it. Thr war had turned into a horror show on the western front with rats, the dead, dying, mud, rust, rain, cold, constant artillery bombardments that would last for days that end with nothing or a massive loss of life on both sides. The war was killing more people then any other war in history up till ww2. World war one was literally Hell on Earth. Men on both sides tried to fide ways to shorten the war. The Tank is one such weapon, so is the submachine gun, and the submarine or Uboat, the flame thrower, modern hand grandes, oh and the birth of combined arms tactics used by the French during the Muse-Argone offensive of 1918. That war brought humanity to its lowest. Now we work for a brighter tomorrow. So anything to stop the endless death and destruction was tried. Gas was effective but mostly psychologically unless it was mixed with layers of different types of gas which one could cause the gas mask to be ineffective causing the soldier to take it off and then the mustard gas would kill them (real german gas attack tactics), the Entente infantry were scared of gas more then the Germans in the gas. Unless the gas was mixed with smoke. Then the Flammentruppen are moving in with other Pioneer truppen, Strummtruppen, Jäger. Just because it was made illegal to use in war after World War 1 does not mean the man who made it didn't have his heart in the right place.
Yes, he did put toxic gases on the battlefield. But what almost all forget, the other sides did the same thing. French had their own Fritz Haber who invented it. Also did the Russians but they where slower. Or Haber, as part of the inventors of the Haber-Bosch Process had already more knowledge and time to think about the possibilities of ammonia, because of the higher output of that Process. So. I dont know the answer. Is he a sinner or a saint? He did what feed us up to this day. But he also did what the rulers of his fatherland wanted. And in that times, it should be a short war and everything should be tried to shorten the war as much as possible. In hindsight we can see that the inventions led to a devastating and longlasting war. Not the longest in the time of the humanity. But also not shortest either. As i said. I dont know the answer.
Fritz Haber did work directly on make weapons for Germany, as he said himself "In peace for mankind, in war for the fatherland." Anyway man, you really need to lissent to more Sabaton, you will love them. Two sugestions are "Steel Comander"(preferably the official video) and "A life time of war"(Check out the Swedish live version of that one, "En livstid i krig" with subtitles.)
Didn't even offer their best songs lol. Carolus Rex, Primo Victoria, Panzerkampf, Bismarck, Dreadnought, Attack of the Dead Men, the list goes on and on.
he was a war monger just as so many still are today. War was out dated in 1914 it is even more so today but yet the war mongers still call the shots 🎼"Oh when will they ever learn; Oh when will they ever learn " Peter Seeger If u dont know the refer u really should look it up Peter, Paul, and Mary do it best.
@@frederickbays405 War isnt avoidable. Act as holy as you want but everyone wants something and that'll lead to conflict. Also how was he a warmonger? He didn't constantly push for war and always want to fight. He refused to obey the Nazis so if he was a warmonger he'd have cooperated. Things are not black and white.
@@US_of_A If u see color in this man then u need ur eyes examined And when it comes to War it is always Black and white War has been outdated for over 140 yr yet we still have warmonger among us and they are in control Why is this? B/d we still haver ppl who say war is always going to be and that wars are sometimes good things when they are always bad
The "Manifesto of the Ninety-Three" is the name commonly given to a 4 October 1914[1] proclamation, originally titled in English "To the Civilized World" by "Professors of Germany" that was endorsed by 93 prominent German scientists, scholars and artists, declaring their unequivocal support of German military actions in the early period of World War I
It was WWI and oh yea I love this song. Glad you loved it too. If I could make a request, could you react to Powerwolf, either Dancing with the Dead or Incense and Iron. Love the videos stay safe my friend
Fritz Haber knew perfectly well what he was making and what it was being used for. Also, Fritz Haber didn't just indirectly make Poisonous Gasses he was actively involved in making them for the war effort and knew perfectly well what it would do, he apparently thought that soldiers choking to death on their own blood would be enough to break their morale and end the war quickly. It was not.
absolutely love me some new Sabaton songs, and MrLboyd always has some good and insightful reactions. keep it up my guy. Edit: to answer your question, i feel that Haber is more of a saint, because he brought his discoveries to the light of the world to feed the masses. it is not his fault that it was perverted into a weapon, even if he can be traced as it's source.
"it is not his fault that it was perverted into a weapon" But he literally helped turn it into a weapon. He didn't just idly sit by as his creation was taken and turned into something he didn't want. He actively helped and even supervised its usage on the battlefield. Then again, he did think that the gas would help end the war sooner via a German victory. Ultimately, his intent wasn't malicious, just misguided.
@@atheistyoda8915 "During time when there's war, he belonged to the place of birth". When you are a victim of your own creation under authoritarians regimes, you don't have many options. Sure, you could kill yourself, but if you believe the creation could save the world, would you or would you pay the price of progress?
@@atheistyoda8915 he was the one to adapt it into a weapon yes, but the nightmare circumstances that was WWI forced men of great intellectual prowess to do what they could to secure the interests of both them and their nature. There isn't a single scientist that didn't have a regret about the war. And while it's probably still one of the most horrific ways someone could die, I'm not sure if I can sadle the blame on him. I know it's from a fictitious story but I feel the quote from the cats cradle summarizes both wars "after the thing went off, after it proved it could destroy an american city, a scientist turned to father and said 'Science has now known sin.'"
Haber did actively create chlorine gas which was the precursor to phosgene gas, He supported the use of chemical weapons there was no perversion of his work that was part of his work. That is the point of the song. Is he a saint for creating modern ammonia production or is he damned for the weapon made?
This is a great band. I love how they choose to educate through their songs. Ive also heard their songs called "war pigs" and "the christmas truce"off the top of my head.
"War Pigs" is Black Sabbath not Sabaton, but yes, Christmas Truce is theirs fyi. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the teaching history through song, it's utterly fascinating and one of the reasons I've been a fan for the better part of a decade now.
@@terryhiggins5077 oh right thanks for the correction. What was the one about the enemy planes helping each other side by side then? I couldve sworn there was a song like that done by sabaton. I just cannot remember the name. I guess you could tell im not the biggest fan but a fan regardless😅
Sabaton is absolutely phenomenal. I managed to catch them in a show over in Maryland when they came to the US. After they rolled out on a tank, the crowd lost it. Next time they go to the US they’re worth going to see LIVE. Absolutely unforgettable experience
I love how evil or good a person who's targeted in a song is they leave it up to you to decide of that character is good or bad this song is the best example
so, in their history video they said, that Fritz Haber was the one to develop the first used gas, and he even went to the front, to show the soldiers how it's used. i don't know if it's from that video as well, but i somewhere heard "he killed millions, but saved billions" Sinner or a Saint, that's the question, and you'll get different answers depending on who you ask i guess.
They have been my favorite band since I discovered them back in 2010. I'm a big history buff also and I'm still learning new stuff from their songs. If you ever get a chance to see them live go for it.
That’s why I love Sabaton. I have learned so much unheard stories thru then and actually searched more info about them. And also great reaction video! I learned even more about that song thru this 🤩
Fritz Haber was one of the advisors for Pioneer Group 35, that was specifically was made for chemical weapon development, he also used his status as a Nobel prize winner to recruit the scientific staff for them.
I'd say he'd be like...at least 83% saint and 17%sinner. Cause like you said, he didn't intentionally want it to be used to kill. But people in positions of power are gonna think differently.
No he actively worked on the development of chemical weapons. He saw it as his duty for germany and thought it could end the war sooner. He saved billions with artificial fertilizer and killed millions with chemical weapons.
@@tristanellinghoven6717 Thank u for this information. I've never heard of this man till this song came out, so I'm still a bit unclear of most things.
@@tristanellinghoven6717 I’d go further. The whole idea of using deadly chemicals as weapons in the first place came predominantly if not entirely from Haber and he figured out much of the early theory for how to apply them to greatest effect (ie mixing skin irritants with asphyxiation agents so clothes and masks became almost unwearable from skin irritation At the same time that the real nasty stuff like phosgene arrived in the enemy trenches)
like the others said, he's the one who pushed the idea of chemical weapons the purpose behind it from what I recall is to demoralize the enemy and reduce casualties by ending a war early like the gatling gun, the consequences were different from the intention
Would love to see you react to more Sabaton, and if you feel like it you can follow up the song with one of their history videos about the song after, where they go into the historical details about it. About him being a sinner or a saint, he did feed and help bring into life more people than his weapons have killed, but both are still around and that could change in the future.
He also believed that the sooner the war was over, the lesser the amount of life would be lost. He developed chemical weapons because he didn't want the war to drag on, because the longer the war, the more die.
Fritz Haber is the embodiment of human potential, we are capable of both uplifting ourselves and capable of destroying ourselves. "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"
fritz haber did also invent a lot of chemical weapons(chlorine gas among others). also the haber-bosch process didn't make ammonia production possible but it made it cheap to produce
Ammonia's first use was as a fertiliser. During ww1 Haber started part of produced ammonia converting to ammonium nitrate, which is used to do some explosives. About chemical weapons, chlorine, yperite and i think that even phosgene were all his ideas.
The manifest of the 93 was a dedication to germany by 93 prominent scientists. I mean he was advisor for squads of "gas troopers" actively recruiting physicists to the groups also calling gas warfare more humane than being killed by pieces of flying shrapnel. He did alot of good, but he did also actively promote gas warfare.
Fritz Haber's actions during the second battle of Ypres, personally suggesting using heavier than air gas. His means of creating ammonia also isn't at all what was used during WW1, He used Chlorine gas and was perfectly fine suggesting its use during WW1. Haber was on hand during chemical warfare's first use, and was promoted to Captain during the war and developed the weapons as weapons personally.
i have had my negative comments on other videos... this video... pure genius. Your discussion on both sides.. brilliant... I just wish every of your videos had this analysis.... it is a massive shame if a few ruined your knowledge.
You mentioned the unkillable solider. There is an autobiography about him called get his "Happy odyssey". Sir carton Se Wiart. Hope you read it. My 15 year old I read it
He's both and neither at the same time, you can either understand he used his inventions to sustain his country in war, and kill its enemies, or to end starvation and help avoid a bloody prolonged war by purposefully making it horrible, much like the Americans bombed Japan in ww2, or how the British naval blockaded Germany in the very same war, one might say its an inherent duality of man, and everyone does what they must and what they feel is comfortable with them
As history shows us, the very terms of Good and Evil don't have an actual borderline. There is Power/Science/etc. Using it for good or bad purpose doesn't make it good or evil itself. Herr Haber was simply a genius. A genius enough to create both, a magical lifesaving potion AND a horrifying Death Toll.
5:49 Well... Actually, he was the man who made chemical weaponry. Like, he is also the creator of mustard gas, as well as ammonia. It is about that, the fact he both invented the process of synthesizing ammonia AND all of the chemical weapons used by germans in WW1... As well as Cyclon A after the war.
Another scientist that had great inventions that also caused great harm are that of inventor Alfred Nobel. He not only invented dynamite as a more stable explosive for excavating tunnels and mining than the nitro glycerin that was used before. But he also created the first plastique explosives that would eventually replace dynamite and is used in both civilian and military purposes. I did an essay on him in the 9th grade. The scientist behind trying to find a new yellow dye for cloth found a compound which was extremely explosive its known as TNT.
For those interessted, there is actually a movie named "Haber: The father of chemical warfare" about this story, dated 2008, it's available on youtube I believe
Impressive to hear your thoughts and knowledge of this subject. You really know what you are talking about. If people wanna know more, shoutout to the Sabaton History channel, where they have a full episode on this song, explaining the story in great detail, with no personal preference.
He created mustard gas he knew how deadly it was. But he said that he made it to try and shorten the war to reduce the amount of people that wpuld die in the war by making break throughs in allied lines by posioning the allies.
The manifest of the 93 was signed in WW1, not WW2. Fritz Haber was actually Jewish so he never would've became this famous/infamous if he was a scientist during the rise of the Third Reich.
I absolutely love this band. You should definitely listen to en listed I krig live with subtitles it's absolutely amazing along with many many other songs from them. Thanks for the great content always appreciated.
if i recall with Fritz Haber, he absolutely created Ammonia for farming but he also had no reservations against it's use as a weapon. The song kinda references it with "during times of peace he belongs to the world, during times of war he belongs to his place of birth" He believed that in war time he should do his part to defend his fatherland, his home and that when peace returned they could go back to growing crops. In his mind there was no contradiction, his invention was both a sign of progress and a weapon, you can't really have one without the other. And he seemed to believe that either use of it was good. Which is why i believe Sabaton has "where's the contradiction?" cause it's both from Habers point of view of "i did no wrong, my invention is saving lives and protecting my home" but it's alsoa rhetorical question of, yeah this is contradictory as fuck. Also with the saint or sinner thing, kinda like what i said earlier in the comment, as easy as it would be to admonish him for his invention, it's application as a fertilizer and as a weapon is, inseparable really. You can't have one without the other, so in all honesty his invention being used as a weapon was pretty much inevitable. I don't think he could've prevented the German military from using it if he tried. And it has greatly improved our food production and quality of life so...idk it's not an easy answer. And this is why history is so fascinating to me, it's not so clean cut as "good guys, bad guys" it's understanding how real people shaped the world we live in today
Haber was a patriot to his country and a humanitarian. Yes but he did actively develop chemical weapons. That makes him one of the few who had a perfect balance when it came to morality.
The man they speak of was known for creating synthetic ammonia, which is used in fertilizer, during ww1 he was behind the Kaiser Institute in the German Empire which developed and produced 3 different chemical weapons, Mustard Gas, Chlorine Gas and Phosgene. Due to his role in the development and usage of chemical weapons caused the contradiction between members of the scientific community. He also had a role in developing gas mask to protect against the effects of these weapons. Chemical weapons were banned as part of the Geneva Convention however nearly every nation on the planet has stockpiles of far worse agents than those. VX is one of the most lethal agents today, as a nerve agent it messes with the signals between neurons in the brain causing paralysis and muscle spasms a drop the size of the very tip of a ballpoint pen can kill a full-grown person. But even weapons still in theory as far worse than that. Neutron bombs have the potential of nukes without the lasting fallout and kills any organic matter caught in the blast.
Saving multiple millions of lives and killing just as many. What a mixed legacy. Personally i cant judge he saved as many lives as taken from his invention(?).
Are you aware of Sabaton History? They have a 20 minute long documentary for the topic of this song and similar videos for a lot of their other stuff. Its like the songs are really just the appetizers for the actual work.
Secondary point of Irony, Awarded a Nobel Prize for Chemistry. And the Nobel Prizes were funded from the patents of Alfred Nobel, the most famous of which is Dynamite.
The thing with Haber is he not only created chemical weapons, he supervised them, supported their used and even lead Bataillon for it. But the on the other hand like mentioned he feed millions and saved millions.
What someone else does with something you've created should not be held against you. If you do not innovate, someone else will. That said, he did do direct work on weaponizing it so...
Found them 4 yrs ago , still impressed with each album . The first 2 albums made Italian producer, typical matel. Then they, produced the album. The balid of the bull, Xmas truce, the price of a mile, Bismark, the art of war, no shots fired, night withes , heroes album , greate war album . Worth getting Spotify. Hell just start at the 3rd album 45 min, keep going till great war, worth 4 days while your getting up. massive guitar but not gaudy. And a history lesson, to look up on utube . And not always what you thaught it was, My neighbors liked it too, unlike iron maiden. Brently guilbert too, hell of an amen, if you want to go there. They aren't pro notzi , are swedish, check your history make up your own mind. Ironic, maxim made the machine gun , and dynomite . To make war so costly people wouldn't want to do it. Ironically nitrogen, Witch is inert, salt peter, from sea weed, makes explosives work ., In Israel 400, 000 tons of ammonium nitrate detonated in a wearhouse in the harbor ,still not fixed. We also cut natural gas to make fertilizer. ( To all the climate police, and vegans) During WW1 they clay kicked tunnels for a year, and set 3 charges so big, the hole is still there today !!! Noman's land it's real, google it, still fenced off. He was at the battlefield when they used the clorine gas on the enemy, french 5,000 died , first time used. ( attack of the Deadman ) Russian fortress. The gas survivors chaged the 500 attacking Germans scared them so bad they dropped their weapons retreated, gotta google it !!! ,Adof Hitler got clorine gassed ,why his mustache looked like that, he almost died cuz his mask wouldn't seal. Mustard gas, UK used willing civilian volunteers to test on. phosgene gas, wht phosphorus rounds. Anthrax island, UK , factory's used in production , concreted 3 feet, armor plated ,then reconcreted, sarine gas too at end of WW1. Germans concentrated it so they came to the USA with the tanker car. Can't leave out ziclone B, pesticide with safety as well removed. There's also a viable specimen of the Spanish flu, they found in Alaska, buried in the permafrost. Openhimer, enough said. They had gas blankets to seal the entrances, that worked in verdune. Science will be used for good and bad, inevitable. Biological warfare worse than nuclear weapons.and cheaper, Bio engineering " crisper" is even scarier. Still excellent wake up music, your neighbors won't complain about Sorry can't spell, to all the English natzys.. was too busy learning UBIs. To remind folks everything is connected to each other, cause and effect. Lot of gray area.
Ammonium was used as refrigeration fluid yes and many chemical revolutions are based on that ^^ i dont throw guilt trips left right ^^ everything needed to hapoen how it has
Alfred Nobel, could be also very important since he is the founding father of explosives of different types, I can see him Robert Oppenheimer Fritz Harber and Carl Bosch being extremely influential in their areas of expertise with chemical engineering nuclear technology and explosive engineering they made good advances in the world, harber and Bosch making it so ammonia can exist for plants, Oppenheimer and the discovery of nuclear power and Nobel for his advancements in explosives and the peace prize
For me its the high bells in the background... singing a sad melodie of death, for me, thats what makes this song awesome ^^ and sure the refrain: HABER BOSCH THE GREAT ALLIANCE!!!
One big correction, Haber was pushing for both the development and use of chemical weapons. Then after the war, he remained proud of his weapons.
another argument that can be made is when Robert Oppenheimer is known for being the father of Nuclear Bombs, never launched a physical Nuke himself, but his famous quote " i am become death, destroyer of worlds" kinda proves that he is partially responsible for the deaths of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I personally wouldn't consider Haber a saint. Nuclear energy helped a lot of people but also is responsible for destroying many lives as well.
Gigachad.
@@michaelrivera2030 He also wasn't a naturally evil person. He thought the suffering caused by poison gas would save lives by shortening the war.
In hindsight, we know he was wrong, but that is why hindsight is always 20/20
@@michaelrivera2030 considering what would happen if the US didnt drop the bombs, yeah the death toll would have been far FAR worse
@@HyperScorpio8688 He also didn't really see a difference between people dying from gas or conventional weapons. "Death is Death"
The simple fact that they teach with every song is what makes them amazing. I knew about chemical warfare, but i never heard of the Scientist who invented ammonia. Good Job Sabaton! Should be required in school.
To be more specific, he founded the process for making synthetic ammonia. Ammonia is naturally occurring, but for human use is rather hard to acquire for our usage. What he did was, IIRC, made it from air alone (using nitrogen in the air) and something else
@@YaBoiTheGrimReaper if youre refering to the other element in the last few words: Ammonia is NH3 which means that Hydrogen is the second "ingredient" for Ammonia
@@peddaderechte7425 Thanks, I couldn't remember off the top of my head for the life of me
Cheers mate!
@@peddaderechte7425 Sugar, Spice, and Everything Nice.
Fun fact, Sabaton has a channel called "Sabaton History" where they discuss the history behind their music.
The controversy comes from the fact that he made toxic gas as a weapon, not something that was used as a weapon against his will and he had no remorse about it. BUT at the same time, he invented something that helped to feed billions of people. It's very hard to draw a line and say for sure was he a savior or a monster. My opinion: he was both
He was definitely both, and if I remember right he was also one of those people who get it into their heads that if they create a weapon so terrible and deadly, using it would be enough to end war and bring peace (which was his mindset about using gas in warfare). The problem is that's something that generally doesn't work, ultimately all it does is make everyone else rush to make their own versions.
Or in other words, he was a human. ;)
@@saintcynicism2654 Not necessarily true, it worked against Japan and one can theorize that the existence of nuclear weapons kept war out of western Europe after the second world war.
@@saintcynicism2654 If memory serves, Hiram Maxim hoped his machine gun would do the same thing: that those in power would be so horrified by the thought of these weapons being employed - and the mass casualties that would result from their use - that no one would seek to wage war again.
@@Skumgummiii Except whether it worked or was even needed against Japan is something people disagreed on at the time and *still* disagree on now, and I'd argue the fear of an increasingly hostile Soviet Union plus thoroughly annihilated economies & infrastructure did a hell of a lot more to keep war out of Western Europe than nukes did. Two incredibly costly world wars have basically caused much of Western Europe to become staunchly opposed to the idea of another war, and they'll probably remain that way until the memory of the carnage the wars left behind finally fades. That's not to say there are no militant hawks in any of those countries, but they've got nowhere near the following they could have expected to have pre-WWI.
He specifically worked in the chemical weapons program. I mean, hes in the middle for most I still believe that hes in the saint category. The lives that could be exceeded the lives taken by the chemical weapons he created. You also have to think ammonia was also a direct countermeasure to a later chemical weapon he developed. So in a sense he even counteracted himself to a degree
Not sure about that... I mean, his creation of the chemical weapons aspect wasn't necessarily killing people quickly. It was killing them slowly for years to come. That is worse than killing peopel quickly in my opinion.
Chemical weapons very bad. But also most of us wouldn’t be alive today if it weren’t for him
@@FemaleSniper86 Depends if they feel pain from it. If they just live for a while and then slowly die, it’s better imo, cause then they can still say goodbye for real. If they die instantly, there will be things they never got to do which they really wanted or truly say bye to their loved ones.
My argument is he did his part. He did his duty to the world by creating it. Then he wanted to help the war effort (the war to end all wars mind you). So he created chemical weapons as his contribution to his country in an effort to end the war. He's almost on the same level as I daresay the Manhattan Project scientists...they merely played a part in ending a war. After the invention of these devices it was out of their hands.
@@ARC_Lt._Copy i suppose... but is it painfree to lose your eyes? Lung capacity? And so on... pretty sure they werent greatful for surviving all the time
I love how deep and haunting this song is. The guitars and the absolute shadowy and ominous depths of Joakim's voice in this truly evokes the creeping, strangling terror of poison gas. It almost flows like green mist out of blackened cauldron like witchcraft while clearly being staunchly about the horrors of a scientific breakthrough. It muddles the two together in the fog of war. I feel that the asking about "where will your breakthroughs lead?" is more an allusion that chemical warfare is the first in an arsenal of weapons that are put into the category of mass destruction. As well as the fact that later chemical engineers built off Haber's works to murder millions intentionally in the Holocaust.
And I have to point out that Haber did, in fact, create both chlorine and phosogene gas as well as the methods in which to deliver them on the battlefield. Before the Great War, he created the fertilizer ammonia nitrate (that we still use today) to increase food yields to feed billions. And then during the Great War, he knowingly and willingly created the first weapons of mass destruction. So yes, he knew. He was well aware. He made the weapons knowing full well what it would do to living tissue. He thought that the terror of soldiers drowning in their own blood would be enough to break the stalemate of the trenches. He was obviously wrong on that account as hundreds of thousands died on both sides with well over a million soldiers with life long scarring to their lungs and eyes. The Central Powers and the Entente Powers both used chemical weapons. So though Haber came from the German Empire, his work was swiftly copied and then used against German soldiers.
He fled Germany when the Nazis rose to power because of his Jewish ancestry. And he died long before his work was built upon to murder millions. But since we use his fertilizers to this day, he also still feeds billions from beyond the grave as well. What's the contradiction indeed?
I'm glad you reacted to this! You're the first reactor who actually knows who Haber is and what he did. I've wanted for Sabaton to do another song about chemical warfare bc their "Attack of the Dead Men" was so good and delving into the science side and the creation of such a weapon is fascinating. Its terrifying no doubt, but many don't know Haber. I'm glad you knew him and could also appreciate how evocatively ominous and downright oppressive the song feels!
Bruh tf i ain't readin this😂
@@tiger-1-enjoyer273 Read it coward, be educated
This man just wrote an entire essay. Can you do my English homework please?
@@ThatSpaceMann yea
@@ThatSpaceMann Only if you are, in fact, the goodest of boys.
It's great to see a reacter who actually loves history and understands what the nature of the song is.
I feel like too often, reaction channels just say the same cliche things about Sabaton.
They never know what the song is about or anything about the band.
Sabaton is a great and fantastic band. And I see some of their songs as cautionary tales of humanity's ability to inflict evil on each other.
And why we should always reject hatred and evil.
"In peace he belongs to the world, in war he belongs to the place of his birth" Gives me goosebumps every time.
if i remember it correctly, he actually said something similar to that in real life.
I'm a chemist and I can say that without the easy access to ammonia thanks to the Haber-Bosch process (btw: the pronounciation of their names in this song is correct), many basic reactions would be quite expensive.
The contradiction mentioned in this song is that Haber also created chemical weapons and (if I remember correctly) even instructed the soldiers how to deploy them correctly.
from what i have heard, he did... even just after his wife took her own life
And actively recruited physicists to join the "gas troopers" while serving as advisor for the squads
He made 3 gasses mustard chlorine and phosphorous
Thing is...Yes he was and still are helping feed the world with invention of fertiliser, BUT he also was the one who put the toxic gas on the battlefield arguing that it would shorten the conflict
"Death is death." -Fritz Haber, the man who allowed billions to live and caused millions to die
His thoughts were similar to the manhattan project, to end the war quickly so that less people would need to die in the end. History is written by the victors, had central powers won im sure he would be celebrated as the creator of fertilizer.
Hey so let me paint this picture for you so you can understand the logic. We as in the future compared to what was his eternal now have a more complet picture of the war unlike those who were living it.
Thr war had turned into a horror show on the western front with rats, the dead, dying, mud, rust, rain, cold, constant artillery bombardments that would last for days that end with nothing or a massive loss of life on both sides. The war was killing more people then any other war in history up till ww2. World war one was literally Hell on Earth. Men on both sides tried to fide ways to shorten the war. The Tank is one such weapon, so is the submachine gun, and the submarine or Uboat, the flame thrower, modern hand grandes, oh and the birth of combined arms tactics used by the French during the Muse-Argone offensive of 1918. That war brought humanity to its lowest. Now we work for a brighter tomorrow. So anything to stop the endless death and destruction was tried. Gas was effective but mostly psychologically unless it was mixed with layers of different types of gas which one could cause the gas mask to be ineffective causing the soldier to take it off and then the mustard gas would kill them (real german gas attack tactics), the Entente infantry were scared of gas more then the Germans in the gas. Unless the gas was mixed with smoke. Then the Flammentruppen are moving in with other Pioneer truppen, Strummtruppen, Jäger. Just because it was made illegal to use in war after World War 1 does not mean the man who made it didn't have his heart in the right place.
Yes, he did put toxic gases on the battlefield. But what almost all forget, the other sides did the same thing. French had their own Fritz Haber who invented it. Also did the Russians but they where slower. Or Haber, as part of the inventors of the Haber-Bosch Process had already more knowledge and time to think about the possibilities of ammonia, because of the higher output of that Process.
So. I dont know the answer. Is he a sinner or a saint? He did what feed us up to this day. But he also did what the rulers of his fatherland wanted.
And in that times, it should be a short war and everything should be tried to shorten the war as much as possible. In hindsight we can see that the inventions led to a devastating and longlasting war. Not the longest in the time of the humanity. But also not shortest either.
As i said. I dont know the answer.
I love the horror vibes this song makes you ask yourself does one man good outweigh the bad
P.S when I say horror vibes reminds me of Castlevania.
TouchyReactions also got castlevania vibes from this.
Fritz Haber did work directly on make weapons for Germany, as he said himself "In peace for mankind, in war for the fatherland." Anyway man, you really need to lissent to more Sabaton, you will love them. Two sugestions are "Steel Comander"(preferably the official video) and "A life time of war"(Check out the Swedish live version of that one, "En livstid i krig" with subtitles.)
Didn't even offer their best songs lol. Carolus Rex, Primo Victoria, Panzerkampf, Bismarck, Dreadnought, Attack of the Dead Men, the list goes on and on.
He was scientist who fought for his country with his mind.
he was a war monger just as so many still are today. War was out dated in 1914 it is even more so today but yet the war mongers still call the shots 🎼"Oh when will they ever learn; Oh when will they ever learn " Peter Seeger
If u dont know the refer u really should look it up
Peter, Paul, and Mary do it best.
@@frederickbays405 War isnt avoidable. Act as holy as you want but everyone wants something and that'll lead to conflict. Also how was he a warmonger? He didn't constantly push for war and always want to fight. He refused to obey the Nazis so if he was a warmonger he'd have cooperated. Things are not black and white.
@@US_of_A If u see color in this man then u need ur eyes examined
And when it comes to War it is always Black and white War has been outdated for over 140 yr yet we still have warmonger among us and they are in control Why is this?
B/d we still haver ppl who say war is always going to be and that wars are sometimes good things when they are always bad
@@US_of_A he died before ww2
The "Manifesto of the Ninety-Three" is the name commonly given to a 4 October 1914[1] proclamation, originally titled in English "To the Civilized World" by "Professors of Germany" that was endorsed by 93 prominent German scientists, scholars and artists, declaring their unequivocal support of German military actions in the early period of World War I
It was WWI and oh yea I love this song. Glad you loved it too. If I could make a request, could you react to Powerwolf, either Dancing with the Dead or Incense and Iron. Love the videos stay safe my friend
Fritz Haber knew perfectly well what he was making and what it was being used for. Also, Fritz Haber didn't just indirectly make Poisonous Gasses he was actively involved in making them for the war effort and knew perfectly well what it would do, he apparently thought that soldiers choking to death on their own blood would be enough to break their morale and end the war quickly. It was not.
absolutely love me some new Sabaton songs, and MrLboyd always has some good and insightful reactions. keep it up my guy.
Edit: to answer your question, i feel that Haber is more of a saint, because he brought his discoveries to the light of the world to feed the masses. it is not his fault that it was perverted into a weapon, even if he can be traced as it's source.
"it is not his fault that it was perverted into a weapon"
But he literally helped turn it into a weapon. He didn't just idly sit by as his creation was taken and turned into something he didn't want. He actively helped and even supervised its usage on the battlefield.
Then again, he did think that the gas would help end the war sooner via a German victory. Ultimately, his intent wasn't malicious, just misguided.
He did turn it into a weapon himself though. Still more of a Saint imo.
@@atheistyoda8915 "During time when there's war, he belonged to the place of birth". When you are a victim of your own creation under authoritarians regimes, you don't have many options. Sure, you could kill yourself, but if you believe the creation could save the world, would you or would you pay the price of progress?
@@atheistyoda8915 he was the one to adapt it into a weapon yes, but the nightmare circumstances that was WWI forced men of great intellectual prowess to do what they could to secure the interests of both them and their nature. There isn't a single scientist that didn't have a regret about the war.
And while it's probably still one of the most horrific ways someone could die, I'm not sure if I can sadle the blame on him.
I know it's from a fictitious story but I feel the quote from the cats cradle summarizes both wars "after the thing went off, after it proved it could destroy an american city, a scientist turned to father and said 'Science has now known sin.'"
To be fair, Haber did stated he will prioritize his country during war and humanity during peace. He kept his word
Haber did actively create chlorine gas which was the precursor to phosgene gas, He supported the use of chemical weapons there was no perversion of his work that was part of his work. That is the point of the song. Is he a saint for creating modern ammonia production or is he damned for the weapon made?
This is a great band. I love how they choose to educate through their songs. Ive also heard their songs called "war pigs" and "the christmas truce"off the top of my head.
"War Pigs" is Black Sabbath not Sabaton, but yes, Christmas Truce is theirs fyi.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the teaching history through song, it's utterly fascinating and one of the reasons I've been a fan for the better part of a decade now.
@@terryhiggins5077 oh right thanks for the correction. What was the one about the enemy planes helping each other side by side then? I couldve sworn there was a song like that done by sabaton. I just cannot remember the name. I guess you could tell im not the biggest fan but a fan regardless😅
@@flubber1557 No Bullets Fly
@@saintcynicism2654 thank you
Sabaton is absolutely phenomenal. I managed to catch them in a show over in Maryland when they came to the US. After they rolled out on a tank, the crowd lost it. Next time they go to the US they’re worth going to see LIVE. Absolutely unforgettable experience
I love how evil or good a person who's targeted in a song is they leave it up to you to decide of that character is good or bad this song is the best example
"In peace for mankind, In war for the Fatherland."
so, in their history video they said, that Fritz Haber was the one to develop the first used gas, and he even went to the front, to show the soldiers how it's used.
i don't know if it's from that video as well, but i somewhere heard "he killed millions, but saved billions"
Sinner or a Saint, that's the question, and you'll get different answers depending on who you ask i guess.
They put the history in sabaton history channel.
Holy mother of days your voice is amazing my guy.
this explained literally every detail i made a note to look up later. thanks!
Haber wasn't a Saint, nor was he a sinner: He was a scientist.
They have been my favorite band since I discovered them back in 2010. I'm a big history buff also and I'm still learning new stuff from their songs. If you ever get a chance to see them live go for it.
Outstanding commentary and analysis, sir! There's so much to unpack here, and you've given us great insight into this masterful work by Sabaton.
That’s why I love Sabaton. I have learned so much unheard stories thru then and actually searched more info about them. And also great reaction video! I learned even more about that song thru this 🤩
If Im correct He was the one who made the gas for THIS purpise. Also He was the one who showed the soldiers how to deploy it.
Fritz Haber was one of the advisors for Pioneer Group 35, that was specifically was made for chemical weapon development, he also used his status as a Nobel prize winner to recruit the scientific staff for them.
He did personally deploy gas on the first few uses in the war but would later instruct units on how to properly deploy it.
"all inventions are positive for they create something new and solve a problem.
The problem is the way that invention is used.
No one is any one thing in life. IMO.
I'd say he'd be like...at least 83% saint and 17%sinner. Cause like you said, he didn't intentionally want it to be used to kill. But people in positions of power are gonna think differently.
No he actively worked on the development of chemical weapons. He saw it as his duty for germany and thought it could end the war sooner. He saved billions with artificial fertilizer and killed millions with chemical weapons.
@@tristanellinghoven6717 Thank u for this information. I've never heard of this man till this song came out, so I'm still a bit unclear of most things.
@@tristanellinghoven6717 I’d go further. The whole idea of using deadly chemicals as weapons in the first place came predominantly if not entirely from Haber and he figured out much of the early theory for how to apply them to greatest effect (ie mixing skin irritants with asphyxiation agents so clothes and masks became almost unwearable from skin irritation At the same time that the real nasty stuff like phosgene arrived in the enemy trenches)
like the others said, he's the one who pushed the idea of chemical weapons
the purpose behind it from what I recall is to demoralize the enemy and reduce casualties by ending a war early
like the gatling gun, the consequences were different from the intention
Would love to see you react to more Sabaton, and if you feel like it you can follow up the song with one of their history videos about the song after, where they go into the historical details about it.
About him being a sinner or a saint, he did feed and help bring into life more people than his weapons have killed, but both are still around and that could change in the future.
He was neither a saint nor a sinner, he was human. Every human has priorities, his priority was 1. to protect his homeland and 2. to help the world.
well Haber was the one who made mustard gas so, siner or a saint?
He also believed that the sooner the war was over, the lesser the amount of life would be lost. He developed chemical weapons because he didn't want the war to drag on, because the longer the war, the more die.
I thought the British invented mustard gas. I know Hauber invented chlorine gas.
He's neither a Saint nor a Monster. He was a man, and that scares me more then either option.
Fritz Haber is the embodiment of human potential, we are capable of both uplifting ourselves and capable of destroying ourselves. "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"
"See what will be" feels like a Zyklon B nod.
Idk why but your voice is very relaxing
Sir, i love your voice ^^ its just lay back and lets float... deep voice 🥰
fritz haber did also invent a lot of chemical weapons(chlorine gas among others). also the haber-bosch process didn't make ammonia production possible but it made it cheap to produce
Ammonia's first use was as a fertiliser. During ww1 Haber started part of produced ammonia converting to ammonium nitrate, which is used to do some explosives. About chemical weapons, chlorine, yperite and i think that even phosgene were all his ideas.
He absolutely wanted the gas to be used as a weapon and developed it himself and personally trained millitary members on how to use it
His invention was'nt bastardised since he actually also championed the creation of chemical weapons. The song also is set around WWI and not WWII 🤓
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Yeah he was proud of and purposefully made his chemicals for use in war.
Song from Mortal Kombat Scorpion vs Johnny Cage. Fear Factory - Zero Signal!!! Beast mode music!
You should check out their "Sabaton History Channel" where they go through their songs in detail about the events and making off the songs!
The manifest of the 93 was a dedication to germany by 93 prominent scientists. I mean he was advisor for squads of "gas troopers" actively recruiting physicists to the groups also calling gas warfare more humane than being killed by pieces of flying shrapnel. He did alot of good, but he did also actively promote gas warfare.
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Fritz Haber's actions during the second battle of Ypres, personally suggesting using heavier than air gas. His means of creating ammonia also isn't at all what was used during WW1, He used Chlorine gas and was perfectly fine suggesting its use during WW1. Haber was on hand during chemical warfare's first use, and was promoted to Captain during the war and developed the weapons as weapons personally.
i have had my negative comments on other videos... this video... pure genius. Your discussion on both sides.. brilliant... I just wish every of your videos had this analysis.... it is a massive shame if a few ruined your knowledge.
It would probably be worth reacting to the Sabaton History video about the song.
You mentioned the unkillable solider. There is an autobiography about him called get his "Happy odyssey". Sir carton Se Wiart. Hope you read it. My 15 year old I read it
He's both and neither at the same time, you can either understand he used his inventions to sustain his country in war, and kill its enemies, or to end starvation and help avoid a bloody prolonged war by purposefully making it horrible, much like the Americans bombed Japan in ww2, or how the British naval blockaded Germany in the very same war, one might say its an inherent duality of man, and everyone does what they must and what they feel is comfortable with them
lissening to this and you will cry SABATON - Lady of the Dark (Animated Story Video)
i love u trying to see all sides and see the prosperity of some invention through history? did i spell i right? (from sweden) and love the reaction
As history shows us, the very terms of Good and Evil don't have an actual borderline. There is Power/Science/etc. Using it for good or bad purpose doesn't make it good or evil itself.
Herr Haber was simply a genius. A genius enough to create both, a magical lifesaving potion AND a horrifying Death Toll.
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Well... Actually, he was the man who made chemical weaponry. Like, he is also the creator of mustard gas, as well as ammonia. It is about that, the fact he both invented the process of synthesizing ammonia AND all of the chemical weapons used by germans in WW1... As well as Cyclon A after the war.
Another scientist that had great inventions that also caused great harm are that of inventor Alfred Nobel. He not only invented dynamite as a more stable explosive for excavating tunnels and mining than the nitro glycerin that was used before. But he also created the first plastique explosives that would eventually replace dynamite and is used in both civilian and military purposes. I did an essay on him in the 9th grade. The scientist behind trying to find a new yellow dye for cloth found a compound which was extremely explosive its known as TNT.
For those interessted, there is actually a movie named "Haber: The father of chemical warfare" about this story, dated 2008, it's available on youtube I believe
Impressive to hear your thoughts and knowledge of this subject. You really know what you are talking about. If people wanna know more, shoutout to the Sabaton History channel, where they have a full episode on this song, explaining the story in great detail, with no personal preference.
the manifesto of the 93 was WW1. 4th of October 1914
He created mustard gas he knew how deadly it was. But he said that he made it to try and shorten the war to reduce the amount of people that wpuld die in the war by making break throughs in allied lines by posioning the allies.
Blud gave us a history lesson.
I love sabaton. My favorite metal band.
Ammonia was used for fertilizer.
Chlorine gas was used as a weapon.
He invented both.
I think intent decides if you are good or bad unless you do something bad with good intentions.
The manifest of the 93 was signed in WW1, not WW2. Fritz Haber was actually Jewish so he never would've became this famous/infamous if he was a scientist during the rise of the Third Reich.
To Haber’s credit I’m sure he never intended for his invention to be used for war
It's about ww1 when poison gas was first used as a Frontline weapon
"Killed milions, saved billions,,
I absolutely love this band. You should definitely listen to en listed I krig live with subtitles it's absolutely amazing along with many many other songs from them. Thanks for the great content always appreciated.
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Love your reactions!
He was a human being....Just like the rest of us.
if i recall with Fritz Haber, he absolutely created Ammonia for farming but he also had no reservations against it's use as a weapon. The song kinda references it with "during times of peace he belongs to the world, during times of war he belongs to his place of birth" He believed that in war time he should do his part to defend his fatherland, his home and that when peace returned they could go back to growing crops. In his mind there was no contradiction, his invention was both a sign of progress and a weapon, you can't really have one without the other. And he seemed to believe that either use of it was good. Which is why i believe Sabaton has "where's the contradiction?" cause it's both from Habers point of view of "i did no wrong, my invention is saving lives and protecting my home" but it's alsoa rhetorical question of, yeah this is contradictory as fuck.
Also with the saint or sinner thing, kinda like what i said earlier in the comment, as easy as it would be to admonish him for his invention, it's application as a fertilizer and as a weapon is, inseparable really. You can't have one without the other, so in all honesty his invention being used as a weapon was pretty much inevitable. I don't think he could've prevented the German military from using it if he tried. And it has greatly improved our food production and quality of life so...idk it's not an easy answer. And this is why history is so fascinating to me, it's not so clean cut as "good guys, bad guys" it's understanding how real people shaped the world we live in today
Harbor knew exactly what he made. He worked on comical weapons happily and proudly. And also personally deployed his own creation on the Battlefield.
Haber was a patriot to his country and a humanitarian. Yes but he did actively develop chemical weapons.
That makes him one of the few who had a perfect balance when it came to morality.
The man they speak of was known for creating synthetic ammonia, which is used in fertilizer, during ww1 he was behind the Kaiser Institute in the German Empire which developed and produced 3 different chemical weapons, Mustard Gas, Chlorine Gas and Phosgene. Due to his role in the development and usage of chemical weapons caused the contradiction between members of the scientific community. He also had a role in developing gas mask to protect against the effects of these weapons. Chemical weapons were banned as part of the Geneva Convention however nearly every nation on the planet has stockpiles of far worse agents than those. VX is one of the most lethal agents today, as a nerve agent it messes with the signals between neurons in the brain causing paralysis and muscle spasms a drop the size of the very tip of a ballpoint pen can kill a full-grown person. But even weapons still in theory as far worse than that. Neutron bombs have the potential of nukes without the lasting fallout and kills any organic matter caught in the blast.
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Saving multiple millions of lives and killing just as many. What a mixed legacy. Personally i cant judge he saved as many lives as taken from his invention(?).
Are you aware of Sabaton History? They have a 20 minute long documentary for the topic of this song and similar videos for a lot of their other stuff. Its like the songs are really just the appetizers for the actual work.
Secondary point of Irony, Awarded a Nobel Prize for Chemistry. And the Nobel Prizes were funded from the patents of Alfred Nobel, the most famous of which is Dynamite.
Dude , you are knowledgeable . Respect !!!!
The thing with Haber is he not only created chemical weapons, he supervised them, supported their used and even lead Bataillon for it. But the on the other hand like mentioned he feed millions and saved millions.
What someone else does with something you've created should not be held against you. If you do not innovate, someone else will.
That said, he did do direct work on weaponizing it so...
Found them 4 yrs ago , still impressed with each album .
The first 2 albums made Italian producer, typical matel. Then they, produced the album.
The balid of the bull, Xmas truce, the price of a mile, Bismark, the art of war, no shots fired, night withes , heroes album , greate war album . Worth getting Spotify. Hell just start at the 3rd album 45 min, keep going till great war, worth 4 days while your getting up. massive guitar but not gaudy. And a history lesson, to look up on utube . And not always what you thaught it was, My neighbors liked it too, unlike iron maiden. Brently guilbert too, hell of an amen, if you want to go there.
They aren't pro notzi , are swedish, check your history make up your own mind.
Ironic, maxim made the machine gun , and dynomite . To make war so costly people wouldn't want to do it. Ironically nitrogen, Witch is inert, salt peter, from sea weed, makes explosives work ., In Israel 400, 000 tons of ammonium nitrate detonated in a wearhouse in the harbor ,still not fixed. We also cut natural gas to make fertilizer. ( To all the climate police, and vegans)
During WW1 they clay kicked tunnels for a year, and set 3 charges so big, the hole is still there today !!! Noman's land it's real, google it, still fenced off.
He was at the battlefield when they used the clorine gas on the enemy, french 5,000 died , first time used. ( attack of the Deadman ) Russian fortress. The gas survivors chaged the 500 attacking Germans scared them so bad they dropped their weapons retreated, gotta google it !!! ,Adof Hitler got clorine gassed ,why his mustache looked like that, he almost died cuz his mask wouldn't seal. Mustard gas, UK used willing civilian volunteers to test on. phosgene gas, wht phosphorus rounds. Anthrax island, UK , factory's used in production , concreted 3 feet, armor plated ,then reconcreted, sarine gas too at end of WW1. Germans concentrated it so they came to the USA with the tanker car. Can't leave out ziclone B, pesticide with safety as well removed. There's also a viable specimen of the Spanish flu, they found in Alaska, buried in the permafrost. Openhimer, enough said.
They had gas blankets to seal the entrances, that worked in verdune.
Science will be used for good and bad, inevitable. Biological warfare worse than nuclear weapons.and cheaper, Bio engineering " crisper" is even scarier.
Still excellent wake up music, your neighbors won't complain about
Sorry can't spell, to all the English natzys.. was too busy learning UBIs. To remind folks everything is connected to each other, cause and effect. Lot of gray area.
I love sabaton and im swedish like they are
He is a Saint, without him this song wouldn't exist
The Nobel prize is a contradiction in itself. He made his money for The prize by inventing dynamite.
Haber wasn’t remorseful about his creation of chemical warfare. He viewed it as a means to end the war faster therefore lowering overall casualties
What is chilling is that when scientists and inventors come up with something that is tended to benefit humankind others turn those
into weapons.
Ammonium was used as refrigeration fluid yes and many chemical revolutions are based on that ^^ i dont throw guilt trips left right ^^ everything needed to hapoen how it has
Alfred Nobel, could be also very important since he is the founding father of explosives of different types, I can see him Robert Oppenheimer Fritz Harber and Carl Bosch being extremely influential in their areas of expertise with chemical engineering nuclear technology and explosive engineering they made good advances in the world, harber and Bosch making it so ammonia can exist for plants, Oppenheimer and the discovery of nuclear power and Nobel for his advancements in explosives and the peace prize
For me its the high bells in the background... singing a sad melodie of death, for me, thats what makes this song awesome ^^ and sure the refrain: HABER BOSCH THE GREAT ALLIANCE!!!
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