Im pretty sure it was revealed that it was neither of those people. I can't remember where but i remember seeing something where they showed us who that was
I think that Oak Win a tournament to select the best trainers to form Elite 4 and Oak dennied the offer and Agatha was called and the fact that she was the second option makes her angry
As always, a very well researched theory! This has always been one of my favorite relationships in the Pokemon series, and so I love this dive into theories about their exact relationship
I think the whole unrequited love thing after Oak had sort of inserted himself into her life and broken down her defenses is twofold one he never stayed to really form a meaningful relationship with her as more than colleagues. But she's also mad at herself for letting him in and that might be why she has no family now is because even though she really really resents Professor Oak she wishes they had gotten together romantically. And she's never let anyone else get that close and no one ever tried hard enough to break down her walls the way oh did so that you would eventually have a different relationship. So I think the ghosts and the poison types symbolize how this experience about unrequited love is like a poison in her soul and that she's basically dead inside because of what I did to her and he has no clue.
I honestly think we've never met Gary's parents or grandma. And honestly, I think they were just friends; maybe even being rivals (with it being more one sided on her side). And about her being a poison trainer... I feel that's just because of the lack of ghost Pokemon in Gen 1... same with why Lance is the flying type master rather than dragon...
For all we know Gary/Blue's parents and grandmother aren't even around anymore. there's absolutely no mention of them, unlike say Ash's father. And yeah, I don't think Oak and Agatha were romantically involved either. Its possible that at one point they were very close and she may even have had unexpressed feelings for him, but I don't think it got any further than that. Maybe if she had been able to have that one victory she might have allowed herself to open up to him. Maybe she's not the marriage type? Their rivalry could have been her idea of growing old altogether. By him retiring that'd effectively be a breakup.
I remember downloading Pokémon masters for the first time and seeing Agatha in the dex. “Wait, you’re still alive???” Agatha never appears outside of RGBY and their many remakes, and she doesn’t seem the type to retire from the Elite 4. I always just assumed she passed away
Agatha has always been my favorite elite 4 member. Also I think she's Mort's grandma. Both blonde, both have the same type speciality and same signature pokemon.
Good theory, it's definitely possible though personally I think Agatha was just haunted by the regret of never getting her victory. If it were me I wouldn't really develop feelings for someone who constantly talked at me when I wanted to be alone and then kept stomping me in fights but love is strange so you never know. Edit: Who am I kidding, this is the franchise that thought Brock's creepiness was funny for way too long. She probably was in love with him.
Still slightly upset that they didn't make crystal have cyndaquil, and silver have totodile, and gold have chikorita. (Oh, yeah, and somehow still my device isn't compatible! they need to fix this.)
I'm a bit of a manga purist for those characters, so I would say Gold has Cyndaquil, Silver has Totodile, and Kris has Chikorita. But Kris has Totodile soooo.
Honestly, how are children even a thing in the Pokemon world? I swear people would just die off because everyone cares more about Pokemon than building relations with other people.
Hey Toby. With the rumor that Ash may not be the lead character of the anime any more, how about you do a video on possible characters to take his place. I was thinking Max I was always curious about his story with Max. I was also thinking of Iris. I enjoyed her one shot with Claire. You put out a lot of great videos keep it coming
I had a pokemon theory when I was younger (based on no evidence and it being more fan fiction really) was that Oak and Blaine were brothers and grew up on Cinnabar island with their childhood friend Agatha and something happening between them, maybe a break up, splitting the three apart. Maybe it was based on that they were three of the few prominant elders in Kanto but oh well
8:35 I kinda just realized that Agatha looks exactly like the new pokemon professor magnolia and Agatha used to be a pokemon professor herself? It's like gamefreak wanted that to be real
I think not so much technology as it is his research, which just so happened to be technologically focused. All of the professors are like that, except maybe Rowan. His real obsession is cataloging every species of Pokemon, in the 4th movie he was basically a young version of Tracy with his sketch book.
Fun Fact: in Heartgold and Soulsilver (don’t know about Gold Silver and Crystal) you can look at a picture frame with a picture of Professor Oak, Kurt, and a woman. Pretty sure this woman is Agatha.
I actually believe that Oak's and agitha's past relationship is that similar to Ash and Misty/other female companion, they have feelings for him but he's just oblivious to them
Toby I gotta day I like how the mirror shows the camera and it just make you seem more human then just someone behind a screen for me. Love your channel and videos Toby. P.s. I love the manga I’ve read all of it and own volumes 1-13 and some other ones out of order.
Maybe in their younger days, Agatha admired him from afar but when she became I don't know a person of interest for him; she kinda fell off of the 'attraction' train because he became friendly. I guess she was in awe of the strong silent type that Oak used to be, but once he was actually being 'himself' around her then she lost interest haha isn't that like real life? You 'ignore a girl' and she loves it but when you give her 'too much attention' she is no longer into you?
I think it was covered in a previous video but the into to the Kanto Games is a video of Oak and Agatha fighting in the Indigo League. The add on of Kris is nice, but I think they did not want to give too much away. The resentment of Oak being makes sense why Agatha hates him.
In the Adventures Manga the Elite Four of every region are not affiliated with the Pokemon League. They are just recognized by the League as the best trainers in the region besides the Champion. They are just a group of four powerful trainers who choose to train together for various regions
Love the vid! Also watch the game Pokemon the First Journey, it has all the lore for their relationship! But based off what you said it sounds like she didn't care much for him, warmed up to him, and he left because he was using her for data for his pokedex. She now holds resentment toward oak, gary, and anyone related or associated.
Toby, take a look at the Sinnoh Pokemon Adventures book and it sort-of confirms this. It is a picture frame with people in their youth and the old man who has that photo says that two of those people are Agatha and Oak. And it turns out they are right next to each other...
Hello I commented on some of Ur old sword and shield vids but I have changed accounts my old account was Emily wiles but that was my mum's haha love the vids btw
In the Adventures manga, Agatha is not a member of Team Rocket. However, she IS a villain; the Indigo Elite Four operates as an autonomous antagonistic group in the Yellow chapters.
@birdkeepertoby So when you get your own home are you going to create a new channel based around interior design and how to exploit the spaces in your home? Just wondering if it’s something I should expect to see in the future.
She is really one of the best Ghost-type trainers. Although not she only specializes in Ghost-types but Pokémon with terrifying appearances hence why she owns an Arbok and a Golbat.
See I had this old running headcanon that Agatha used to run the gym in Fuschia City. Why call the badge there the Soul Badge if the leader is a Poison Type specialist? Because Agatha would have called it that. She uses Poison Types just as often as Ghosts. This headcanon also implied that Agatha was a relative of Koga, which seems a lot more unrealistic. What is realistic and hilariously funny, is that hidden battle in Red and Blue, as well as sources like the Pokemon Adventures manga, implying that Oak was a Normal Type Master. And that he beat Agatha. You know. Despite the whole bit with Normal Types being unable to hit Ghosts.
1:16 Poser confirmed. I am just kidding though you REALLY should read the rest of it. There is a reason Saitoshi Taijiri oraises it so much. Also no she is not a member if Team Rocket, does start out as Extremist in the Yellow Arc. It also heavily implied Agatha and Oak were rivals when they were young. Which is another reson why his leaving to be Pokemon Professor agitated her so much. They are in fact so suspose to mirror the the Red & Blue dynamic albeit if it went another direction.
Room changing is cool. It's nice to see diffrent things. However the mirror makes it very distracting. There is now another moving thing on the screen. I have a feeling the Oak and Agetha were not together. I think I would actually be sad if they make the story that they were. Granted if Oak is oblivious to romance HOW does he have a grandchild? Gary is an adopted grandchild...
What if the battle at the start of red and blue is Agatha’s gengar and oaks nidorhino
It's no wonder Agatha is so bitter about Oak if she had her Gengar beaten by Oak's Nidorino, must've been humiliating on her part.
Im pretty sure it was revealed that it was neither of those people. I can't remember where but i remember seeing something where they showed us who that was
@@hazelnutspred3348 i think it was in pokemon origins?
@@hazelnutspred3348 bit late but it was in the first episode of Pokémon (anime)
There’s something weird and slightly uncomfortable about seeing the camera
But on the bright side, we finally have the back sprites for bird keeper toby
It’s distracting
I hated that mirror in the background... Until I loved it. It was like having a ghost type Toby.
Poor Agatha, She never opened up enough to get him to notice in the way she wanted.
So here it is, what ACTUALLY happened between these guys!
It's been 2 weeks since masters came out, and you aldready have a super logical theorey. Great video
He got with Ash's Mom and decided to
Rock the cradle
And then their was Ash 👶
Hi Toby!
Tobi, next time move camera slightly. I can see it in mirror reflection.
If you look only at his back from the mirror, he looks like he’s lost it.
It's a glitch in the Matrix
I Said that last video
Didnt you hear? He's changing the set and trying stuff out. So listen better, enjoy the content and shut up!
When she was young Agatha probably did the pokemon league and even became part of the eleit 4 to make Oak notice her.
Notice me senpai
I think that Oak Win a tournament to select the best trainers to form Elite 4 and Oak dennied the offer and Agatha was called and the fact that she was the second option makes her angry
Don't worry about the set changes my man you're the reason we're here, set up how you want! Quality content as ever!
As always, a very well researched theory! This has always been one of my favorite relationships in the Pokemon series, and so I love this dive into theories about their exact relationship
Ayeee well hope you liked it ^_^
But that’s just a theory! A relationship theory! Thanks for shipping.
Agatha and Oak? I never would've thought of shipping them both
I think the whole unrequited love thing after Oak had sort of inserted himself into her life and broken down her defenses is twofold one he never stayed to really form a meaningful relationship with her as more than colleagues. But she's also mad at herself for letting him in and that might be why she has no family now is because even though she really really resents Professor Oak she wishes they had gotten together romantically. And she's never let anyone else get that close and no one ever tried hard enough to break down her walls the way oh did so that you would eventually have a different relationship. So I think the ghosts and the poison types symbolize how this experience about unrequited love is like a poison in her soul and that she's basically dead inside because of what I did to her and he has no clue.
I honestly think we've never met Gary's parents or grandma. And honestly, I think they were just friends; maybe even being rivals (with it being more one sided on her side). And about her being a poison trainer... I feel that's just because of the lack of ghost Pokemon in Gen 1... same with why Lance is the flying type master rather than dragon...
For all we know Gary/Blue's parents and grandmother aren't even around anymore. there's absolutely no mention of them, unlike say Ash's father.
And yeah, I don't think Oak and Agatha were romantically involved either. Its possible that at one point they were very close and she may even have had unexpressed feelings for him, but I don't think it got any further than that.
Maybe if she had been able to have that one victory she might have allowed herself to open up to him. Maybe she's not the marriage type? Their rivalry could have been her idea of growing old altogether. By him retiring that'd effectively be a breakup.
No one’s going to mention the fact that at one point blue calls her granny
I clicked straight away as soon as I saw the title
I remember downloading Pokémon masters for the first time and seeing Agatha in the dex. “Wait, you’re still alive???”
Agatha never appears outside of RGBY and their many remakes, and she doesn’t seem the type to retire from the Elite 4. I always just assumed she passed away
“And Big Thanks To The Nerd Therapist” Of course cuz his Toby’s Biggest FAN!
Agatha has always been my favorite elite 4 member.
Also I think she's Mort's grandma. Both blonde, both have the same type speciality and same signature pokemon.
My favorite Elite 4 member is Lance. He wears capes like I wear jeans! 😂
This topic sounds super new, but quite true
My shiny Garbodor just got crit and frozen from a blizzard and I'm still salty about it.
In pokemon adventures manga Agatha is evil but she isn't a part of team rocket
She's somewhat sympathetic, as she hates pollution, but also creepy. Her Arbok can change its patterns and get special powers from each one.
@@maggieent3215 pokemon adventures manga is really creepy lol
@@maggieent3215 is it worth a read?
Oresti Ismaili stop n word
@@piss282 oh its you again
I want your gym badge case so much
I guess we'll just have to wait for Bertha to be added to Pokemon Masters to see if we get any more confirmation on that last bit.
I thought there was a line in gold and silver, or the remakes when you call her
Good theory, it's definitely possible though personally I think Agatha was just haunted by the regret of never getting her victory. If it were me I wouldn't really develop feelings for someone who constantly talked at me when I wanted to be alone and then kept stomping me in fights but love is strange so you never know.
Edit: Who am I kidding, this is the franchise that thought Brock's creepiness was funny for way too long. She probably was in love with him.
Still slightly upset that they didn't make crystal have cyndaquil, and silver have totodile, and gold have chikorita. (Oh, yeah, and somehow still my device isn't compatible! they need to fix this.)
I'm a bit of a manga purist for those characters, so I would say Gold has Cyndaquil, Silver has Totodile, and Kris has Chikorita. But Kris has Totodile soooo.
Everyone oughta be happy that Toby has a reflection on the mirror or if it didn't....
Agatha's mad because Oak smashed her older sister in Sinnoh like the absolute Chad he is.
Honestly, how are children even a thing in the Pokemon world? I swear people would just die off because everyone cares more about Pokemon than building relations with other people.
Hey Toby. With the rumor that Ash may not be the lead character of the anime any more, how about you do a video on possible characters to take his place. I was thinking Max I was always curious about his story with Max. I was also thinking of Iris. I enjoyed her one shot with Claire. You put out a lot of great videos keep it coming
They could be siblings they have similar hair
I know his pain I rearrange my room at least once a week. Especially my figures. It's a nice change of scenery. Even the smallest thing.
I would love to try doing that if my mum would allow me to
0:50 Ooh Red! **Gasp** LANCIE!!!!! DA BEST DRAGON DOOD!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE the character lore from pokemon masters
I had a pokemon theory when I was younger (based on no evidence and it being more fan fiction really) was that Oak and Blaine were brothers and grew up on Cinnabar island with their childhood friend Agatha and something happening between them, maybe a break up, splitting the three apart. Maybe it was based on that they were three of the few prominant elders in Kanto but oh well
So Agatha and Oak need to go on Dr. Phil, to work out their problems?
8:35 I kinda just realized that Agatha looks exactly like the new pokemon professor magnolia and Agatha used to be a pokemon professor herself? It's like gamefreak wanted that to be real
So Oak is every teenage boy-oblivious and busy with his technology?
Very anime-ask
I think not so much technology as it is his research, which just so happened to be technologically focused. All of the professors are like that, except maybe Rowan.
His real obsession is cataloging every species of Pokemon, in the 4th movie he was basically a young version of Tracy with his sketch book.
Like father like son. Right Ash?
Hu?
Hold up, am I seeing things or is that Voldemorts wand in the background there?
Oak must have given Agatha a Quick Claw.
They totally did
Why else whould she be so mad at him at first lol
Fun Fact: in Heartgold and Soulsilver (don’t know about Gold Silver and Crystal) you can look at a picture frame with a picture of Professor Oak, Kurt, and a woman. Pretty sure this woman is Agatha.
I really like this kind of pokemon lores. Make more! Relationships between trainers that not in one region gonna be interesting too!
ayyyyy,i just got Kris a few hours ago, kinda wanted brendan or olivia but hey...life.
is life
11:16 literally every 7 year old
I actually believe that Oak's and agitha's past relationship is that similar to Ash and Misty/other female companion, they have feelings for him but he's just oblivious to them
I was there when he talked about this on a Livestream, anyone else remember that
Toby I gotta day I like how the mirror shows the camera and it just make you seem more human then just someone behind a screen for me. Love your channel and videos Toby.
P.s. I love the manga I’ve read all of it and own volumes 1-13 and some other ones out of order.
Shauntal is the head of my team.
Chandalor is really good
Love the set but boy Toby I hope you move that mirror as it’s very distracting 😅 but this was a great video like always :)
I always figured something was up with them when I played fire red when I was younger.
😉 still flattered I found that book
🙊🙈🙉 Maybe someday you can sign it for me💟
There were some information about their past from the manga you could've used.
But manga and games have different canon's Toby
Aren't Agetha and Bertha twins?
I have a good feeling Bertha ground type elite four member from the Sinnoh region is the grandmother of Blue/Green and Daisy oak
Toby, you really should read the manga. It's great.
Oh Toby...you know, the camera is visible in the mirror, right? :P
I don't mind your constant set revisions, Toby. Hmm.. I wonder.. *shakes his head* I'd have to watch that video to be certain.
But...the camera is visible and it's really bugging me...
In the Manga, the Kanto Elite Four were evil and Lance was their leader.
Maybe in their younger days, Agatha admired him from afar but when she became I don't know a person of interest for him; she kinda fell off of the 'attraction' train because he became friendly.
I guess she was in awe of the strong silent type that Oak used to be, but once he was actually being 'himself' around her then she lost interest haha isn't that like real life? You 'ignore a girl' and she loves it but when you give her 'too much attention' she is no longer into you?
Toby, you might want to be more aware of how distracting the mirror is. The glorious back of your head is even more distracting than your joy.
I think it was covered in a previous video but the into to the Kanto Games is a video of Oak and Agatha fighting in the Indigo League. The add on of Kris is nice, but I think they did not want to give too much away. The resentment of Oak being makes sense why Agatha hates him.
This video got me thinking... An anime with young Oak as the protagonist would be amazing.
Ok so agtha is evil and so the rest of the kanto e4, in the manga
In the Adventures Manga the Elite Four of every region are not affiliated with the Pokemon League. They are just recognized by the League as the best trainers in the region besides the Champion. They are just a group of four powerful trainers who choose to train together for various regions
Love the vid!
Also watch the game Pokemon the First Journey, it has all the lore for their relationship!
But based off what you said it sounds like she didn't care much for him, warmed up to him, and he left because he was using her for data for his pokedex. She now holds resentment toward oak, gary, and anyone related or associated.
Toby, take a look at the Sinnoh Pokemon Adventures book and it sort-of confirms this. It is a picture frame with people in their youth and the old man who has that photo says that two of those people are Agatha and Oak. And it turns out they are right next to each other...
That mirror tho
SobbleSquad, where you at?
When you don't pay ur light bills
And it goes out when ur shooting a pokemon vid 5:57
Hahaha thanks Patreons :’)
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Hello I commented on some of Ur old sword and shield vids but I have changed accounts my old account was Emily wiles but that was my mum's haha love the vids btw
In the Adventures manga, Agatha is not a member of Team Rocket. However, she IS a villain; the Indigo Elite Four operates as an autonomous antagonistic group in the Yellow chapters.
But Agatha cant be a pokemon prof. She doesn't have a tree themed name! Lol
Is there a stadium card that makes people flip two coins to be able to attack when confused?
In the Manga volumes 4-7 the kanto elite four try to create a utopia for pokemon making them the bad guys in said arc
@birdkeepertoby So when you get your own home are you going to create a new channel based around interior design and how to exploit the spaces in your home? Just wondering if it’s something I should expect to see in the future.
She is really one of the best Ghost-type trainers. Although not she only specializes in Ghost-types but Pokémon with terrifying appearances hence why she owns an Arbok and a Golbat.
Interesting theory, I think I'm going to play pokemon masters now!!
He changes his set like ramona flowers changes her hair
An anime of young oak going to univserity would be fucking banging ngl
See I had this old running headcanon that Agatha used to run the gym in Fuschia City. Why call the badge there the Soul Badge if the leader is a Poison Type specialist? Because Agatha would have called it that. She uses Poison Types just as often as Ghosts. This headcanon also implied that Agatha was a relative of Koga, which seems a lot more unrealistic.
What is realistic and hilariously funny, is that hidden battle in Red and Blue, as well as sources like the Pokemon Adventures manga, implying that Oak was a Normal Type Master. And that he beat Agatha. You know. Despite the whole bit with Normal Types being unable to hit Ghosts.
Team Rocket? No, it's that the Elite Four was separately evil.
For some reason.
WHY DID THEY MAKE THEM EVIL I LUV LANCIE AND THE OTHERS WHY DID THEY DO DAT?
@@whatTFisThis . They are pretty good villains
(looks up every Professor's specialty. There's no one studying Pokémon psychology and cognition...) DIBS!
The set looks nice!
1:16 Poser confirmed. I am just kidding though you REALLY should read the rest of it. There is a reason Saitoshi Taijiri oraises it so much. Also no she is not a member if Team Rocket, does start out as Extremist in the Yellow Arc. It also heavily implied Agatha and Oak were rivals when they were young. Which is another reson why his leaving to be Pokemon Professor agitated her so much. They are in fact so suspose to mirror the the Red & Blue dynamic albeit if it went another direction.
Your mirror needs windex
Look at your Mirror Toby..... Weird!
Room changing is cool. It's nice to see diffrent things. However the mirror makes it very distracting. There is now another moving thing on the screen. I have a feeling the Oak and Agetha were not together. I think I would actually be sad if they make the story that they were. Granted if Oak is oblivious to romance HOW does he have a grandchild? Gary is an adopted grandchild...
Sounds like Oak is a deadbeat dad that became close with his grandkid
Why doesnt birdkeeper toby have 1 mil subs yet!
I don't know
I buy it, it's a very typical cliche in in and manga to have a character be oblivious to romantic feelings.
I always thought Agatha was meant to be a poison type specialist.
They should make story about prof oak adventure with agatha Pokemon past generation
Is this a video with sword and shield in the title though?
Oak x Agatha’s one of my favorite Poke-shipping 😍
Crack theory: Agatha is Bertha's ghost.
#TOBYISDITTO
#WEKNOW
Hows the eyebrow ??