The Sad Story of Agatha

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  • @TheBecauseofme123
    @TheBecauseofme123 ปีที่แล้ว +580

    Oak ghosted her so hard she specialized in it

    • @ammagon4519
      @ammagon4519 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Unironically funny lmao

    • @kellywaters643
      @kellywaters643 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I laughed harder at this than I should've but I love it

    • @sowalemonz
      @sowalemonz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Foul.

    • @professionalinsomniac8338
      @professionalinsomniac8338 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Effed up but hilarious joke ftw

    • @mrrealgreatpalmtree
      @mrrealgreatpalmtree 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Daaaammmmnnnn

  • @LunarWingCloud
    @LunarWingCloud ปีที่แล้ว +1058

    Thinking about this, it seems sparring trainers going separate paths later is a running thing in the series. Agatha and Oak, Cheren and Bianca, the protagonist and Hop, even Leon and Sonia. All of them are one trainer going the path of battle and the other going the path of research, and all were rivals.

    • @tonetone37x16
      @tonetone37x16 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      Ash/Red and Gary/Blue

    • @LunarWingCloud
      @LunarWingCloud ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@tonetone37x16 also true!

    • @mushroomdude123
      @mushroomdude123 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I never realized _just_ how often that happens. wow

    • @UltraAryan10
      @UltraAryan10 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Brendan and May, Lucas and Dawn too.

    • @FlareBlitzBanana
      @FlareBlitzBanana ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@tonetone37x16 Blue specifically stuck with battling by becoming a gym leader. But it’s a much more traditional route than Red took.

  • @asianpengi680
    @asianpengi680 ปีที่แล้ว +606

    I feel like Agatha had probably some of the best story potential out of the gen 1 characters, same with Professor Oak. Oak was a former trainer and, in the manga, a former champion. Agatha being someone who battled with him and had been a rival to him in Masters would make her a perfect rival character for a Kanto game about Oak. They had a decent enough setup to make a prequel game to gen 1.

    • @rynobehnke8289
      @rynobehnke8289 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Given the "only Champions get to go to the Leagues final rooms"rule would Oak even gamewise need to be a Champion as he ist allowed to go into the room when he signs the player in after winning against the Champ.

    • @user-mx4is4fx3c
      @user-mx4is4fx3c ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Seriously, they need to make a legends style game in Kanto where you can either play as Oak or Agatha and explore their story, the origin of Giovanni and team rocket, mew and the creation of Mewtwo,
      The story is writing itself and we already have models for their younger selves to use

    • @jointser1008
      @jointser1008 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      NO MORE KANTO GAMES PLS!!!!

    • @Kyumifun
      @Kyumifun ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@user-mx4is4fx3c i think i'd rather have a short animated series about that instead of another Kanto game

    • @user-mx4is4fx3c
      @user-mx4is4fx3c ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@Kyumifun The problem with Kanto is they keep recycling the gen 1 games for nostalgia baiting. This could be a unique experience in the region

  • @dragonite01017
    @dragonite01017 ปีที่แล้ว +217

    I really wish they would flesh out the Pokémon lore. There are so many interesting characters and all we have are breadcrumbs that lead to more questions rather than answers. I’ve always liked Agatha because there is something so profound about an old lady with an affinity for ghosts.

    • @mxochii5159
      @mxochii5159 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Sadly they only care about this kid who wants to fight fight fight and fight 😃

    • @captainmega6310
      @captainmega6310 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mxochii5159 yeah it's like kids plays these games or something

    • @tayIorswif
      @tayIorswif ปีที่แล้ว

      If you wanted fleshed out lore read the manga, you get to see the personalities of game characters and its great

  • @quaggotoak
    @quaggotoak ปีที่แล้ว +194

    i actually like to think that agatha and oak are really married and like you said, shes just tsundere. i never really saw her as bitter, just a tough ol grandma who cared for oak even though she criticized him

    • @myheartismadeofstars
      @myheartismadeofstars ปีที่แล้ว +42

      I think they WERE married but at some point separated. I think Agatha wasn't really cut out for wife and mother life and went to rebuild her battling career. That's why Blue doesn't mention she's his grandmother, because he and Daisy might not have ever met her. Though a cute option is that they DO know and Blue v Agatha was a very interesting and moving battle for both of them, though also possibly the first time meeting in person (just cards and gifts every year)

    • @Ichiyama22
      @Ichiyama22 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@myheartismadeofstars Agatha: Why dearie, are you really going to go all out against your own granny?
      Blue: You bet your wrinkly butt, hag!
      Agatha: That's my boy! Never yield, brat!!!

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I do not think they are married. They were rivals, simple as that. Not all relationships between a man and a woman of about the same age have to be about love or marriage.

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wikiuser92 Well Oak must've banged someone

    • @myheartismadeofstars
      @myheartismadeofstars ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@wikiuser92 Obviously not. But really Oak has no other women he has even canonically SPOKEN to, but he clearly had a wife and child at some point. Sure his wife could be dead, but Agatha is the only canon option

  • @mango9401
    @mango9401 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    You forgot to mention that in the Pokemon Adventures Manga:
    Oak, The day care couple from Gold and Silver, Pryce and Agatha were inseparable in their youth.
    She even composed a song with them which is something I did not expect from Ghost Type Grandma.

    • @philipearakaki
      @philipearakaki ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I tend to see that people that like ghost pokémon tend to be Very artsy, enjoying either writting or theater, ghost trainers in the game are also mostly related to an art form

    • @tayIorswif
      @tayIorswif ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and elm I think
      also you reminded me of the whole gold and silver story arc and the Pryce thing is so sad😭

    • @DarthLiam-gd1wc
      @DarthLiam-gd1wc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@philipearakakiis morty's art form smoking weed?

  • @castform7
    @castform7 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    How random is it that Chantal, a character with no relation to Bertha or Agatha (besides Ghosts I guess), brings up their possible relationship.

    • @Twerpt
      @Twerpt ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Probably a book related to all elite 4 members of a legends Arceus book.
      But it funny tho

    • @Teal_Blastoise
      @Teal_Blastoise ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@Twerpt I was just going to say that it was a book of Elite Four members. And that it was just something that ended up happening, just *years* after the fact, like about the little girl in the original Red and Blue games talking about Munna

    • @KStarPR
      @KStarPR ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I mean Chauntal is a writer, even a fanfic writer, and both Agatha & Bertha would be pretty famous with their status. She could be right, or she could just be speculating on her own part.
      They probably are related, given the hints, but Chauntal probably doesn't know that for sure in-universe.

    • @bootsnhopscotch
      @bootsnhopscotch ปีที่แล้ว +11

      *Shauntal

    • @EpicNerdsWithCameras
      @EpicNerdsWithCameras ปีที่แล้ว +9

      She's just doing what all great fanfiction writers do: Making a connection between two characters who we've never seen interact with each-other.

  • @WooperChannel
    @WooperChannel ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Regarding the theory that Agatha is actually from Sinnoh and that she moved to Kanto is confirmed by the Spaceworld demo in 97, where she is geographically present inside in a house in a small town located at the extreme north of Nihon which corresponds to today's Sinnoh.

  • @kewpiesensei
    @kewpiesensei ปีที่แล้ว +70

    the way you say nidorino 😂😭

    • @Phoenix_Blader_93
      @Phoenix_Blader_93 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      He has to be doing this on purpose

    • @newski7284
      @newski7284 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      to be fair, while I don't say it like that, it kind of makes sense since Nidorino is made up of a bunch of different animals, and in nidorino's case, a Rhino is the most obvious inspiration.

    • @echidnaralsei1473
      @echidnaralsei1473 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a rhino

    • @kewpiesensei
      @kewpiesensei ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@echidnaralsei1473 it is not officially pronounced that way though

    • @newski7284
      @newski7284 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kewpiesensei people dont need to say it the exact or offical way, people can say names however they want, pronunciation is the least of concerns when it comes to pokemon

  • @Blue_XIII
    @Blue_XIII ปีที่แล้ว +454

    Not to trample on your theory on what happened to Agatha, but it's also likely that she could have retired, especially somewhere where she could be alone.
    In Masters she mentions how she she liked being alone and it wasn't until she met Oak that she found friendship. Though unfortunately that didn't last long as Oak went on to develop the pokedex, leaving Agatha to be feeling unfulfilled due to her reason for reaching out to someone (being wanting to surpass Oak) was taken away from her by the same person who wouldn't leave her alone like she wanted to be and kept meddling with her alone time.
    So I guess it isn't so much that Agatha was bitter, but more so that after Oak leaving her to pursue researching Pokemon, she didn't really see much of a reason to reach out to someone else since doing so would never feel the same to how she did when she was rivals with Oak.

    • @LilyCelebiFlipnote
      @LilyCelebiFlipnote ปีที่แล้ว +49

      This is honestly more tragic to me.... Poor Agatha, either way.

    • @karisu4598
      @karisu4598 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      That's a really good theory, yeah. Also kinda makes Agatha seem less harsh on the outset.

    • @Kyumifun
      @Kyumifun ปีที่แล้ว +16

      So she really was a tsundere when she was younger. and it seems that it was a thing that kept her going in life but Oak eventually left her and her previous life almost lost its purpose, leading Agatha to become who she is now whether for better or worse. I mean, being an elite four member is still pretty impressive for someone with such a backstory. It means that despite how Agatha's life changed, she still pursued a path of trying to become stronger and eventually gaining a really awesome title so it's not bad. One has to wonder, what would have their lifes looked like if things happened differently? If Oak didn't went on to pursue his career as a professor or if Agatha joined him (if that'd be e en possible)?

    • @inciacci549
      @inciacci549 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She probably died alone too.
      Probably turned into a ghost type, or worse part of a Spiritomb

  • @canisblack
    @canisblack ปีที่แล้ว +34

    You know there's an old, old fan theory that Agatha is actually Gary's grandmother by way of being Oak's wife.

    • @startheangel9760
      @startheangel9760 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I do get bitter ex vibes from them

    • @EpicNerdsWithCameras
      @EpicNerdsWithCameras ปีที่แล้ว +7

      From the way she talks about him, it definitely feels like there was romance between them in the past. They definitely aren't together now, but maybe there was something there once.

    • @juanmanuelcardona19
      @juanmanuelcardona19 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe she is Blue/Gary’s Grandmother, but probably Oak and Agatha had an affair when they were younger and she got pregnant. I could see Oak being like “I’m too busy creating the Pokedex to marry you or start a family with you” and eventually Oak’s son/daughter moved to Pallet Town once they were older to have a relationship with his father and eventually his son/daughter had a kid of his/her own that being Blue/Gary. Agatha was never able to get over Oak’s rejection and she hated him from that point on.

  • @dramaticScar
    @dramaticScar ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Fun fact, this is heavily implied and I only discoverd this also a couple of days ago coinciding with this upload of this video.
    But Agatha can be seen in a picture with Oak and Kurt at Kurts house, though her name is never mentioned... ho check it out because this always passed me by as a kid aswell

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oak knows a lot of people being a world famous researcher and all

  • @connordarvall8482
    @connordarvall8482 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Agatha's main defining trait was her grudge, which is known to be a common trait in ghost types.
    All this really does for me is make me want a game where all 4 of the first regions are connected.

    • @karisu4598
      @karisu4598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a stupid grudge when you think about it.

    • @Kyumifun
      @Kyumifun ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Don't forget there's litterally a ghost type move Grudge
      ("If the user faints, the user’s grudge fully depletes the PP of the opponent’s move that knocked it out.")

    • @justadreamerforgood69
      @justadreamerforgood69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kyumifun
      Lol 🤣
      Smart

    • @BasedMigz
      @BasedMigz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Her toxicity defines her poison type usage as well 😂

    • @professionalinsomniac8338
      @professionalinsomniac8338 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BasedMigzwhile funny as a joke, she isn’t toxic for feeling abandoned. I imagine that he was so involved in his research that he never had time for her anymore. Even if she visited, he was either busy or would have said he was. I can understand her feelings in regards to a resentment building, but she definitely could have dealt with it in a healthier way.

  • @ksoundkaiju9256
    @ksoundkaiju9256 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    I wonder if Agatha is able to talk to Charm
    As I imagine many ghost type trainers gain the ability to speak to the dead
    Maybe Agatha’s strongest Gengar is a hand me down

    • @Kyumifun
      @Kyumifun ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Gengar is a trade evolution Pokémon so whatever caused it to evolve it was similar to trading so perhaps that's possible.

    • @Flamyll
      @Flamyll ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Kyumifun There is the Link Cable Item that nullifys the need for Trading.... so Maybe x3

    • @zelowatch30
      @zelowatch30 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would make her the only trainer more scary than Sabrina lol.

  • @shazk
    @shazk ปีที่แล้ว +30

    If you want more of Agatha, you can play Pokemon Postscriptum the first journey, which is the story of Oak and has a lot of fan made Agatha storyline which is very accurate. The story is very interesting and will shock you with the Pokemon lore

    • @shazk
      @shazk ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jynx9921 did you played the game?

  • @BuckBlaziken
    @BuckBlaziken ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always thought Agatha and Bertha were sisters, Agatha was always focused on battling and quarreling with Oak that she grew distant from her younger sister, Bertha, who decided to stay at home and take care of their family. They don’t like to talk about each other since they grown distant. This is all fan theory and speculation but I like this explanation.

  • @knightfenrirwulfhart2866
    @knightfenrirwulfhart2866 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm surprised that it's not a common theory that Bertha might /be/ Agatha.
    Since Agatha is supposed to be a reference to Agatha Christie of murder novel legend (Hence her association with Ghost types and Poison types) and in 1926 Agatha Christie went missing for 10 days and was found 184 miles from her home saying she was a totally different person, which leads some biographers to believe she was in a fugue state after the stress of her husband divorcing her.
    This distance, and new name could be why Bertha looks like Agatha but with more grey hair. She /is/ Agatha but after something happened to her and she ended up in Sinnoh.
    Admittedly, this isn't a perfect theory, but I believe it fits pretty well considering Agatha's inspiration.

    • @ifiwerearichman-yabadiba
      @ifiwerearichman-yabadiba 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats a great idea, sadly thats only her name in the English localization and has no link in her Japanese name

    • @musicandfever304
      @musicandfever304 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ifiwerearichman-yabadiba What if they noticed her English name and then decided to take inspiration when they made Bertha?

  • @LabMatt
    @LabMatt ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I love how Agatha in the manga vowed to come back but never did to this day. I think she just had a heart attack and died.

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Adventures has a bad habit of letting villains get away, whether they succeed or not. One time, when Bill tries to explain that some Kanto Gym Leaders were in Team Rocket, a chairman rebukes his claims as lacking evidence and tells him to focus on other stuff.

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@wikiuser92 That's some deep ass corruption

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I think the writer wanted to show how in real life, sometimes a system doesn't do anything against an obviously bad thing just because they "don't have enough reliable evidence". Still sucks, though.
      Also, talking about corruption in the manga: Archie actually ran the Hoenn TV at one point and used his influence to keep the public unaware of Team Aqua's activities.

    • @edra2005
      @edra2005 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Did the Pokemon league completely forgrt that Sabrina Surge and Koga all worked for Team Rocket

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wikiuser92 Oh I'm in agreement, but it's not really surprising corruption is rampant in the Pokémon world when it's very easy to bully your way into power, if anything it should be even more corrupt.
      Wouldn't that fit Maxie more?

  • @completelygivingup9413
    @completelygivingup9413 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I haven’t seen anyone mention this, but the ties at the bottom of her green scarf actually look quite a bit like voodoo dolls, or just dolls in general, something commonly associated with ghosts (not to mention the several doll-like ghost types)

  • @FTChomp9980
    @FTChomp9980 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Agatha and Bertha are sisters one is mencaning and the other is kind hearted.

    • @jointser1008
      @jointser1008 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I love how both of them have similar levels when it comes to rematches
      Agathas levelrange in the FRLG rematch: 65-70
      Berthas level in the platinum rematches: 66-71
      Bertha has a bit higher levels as agatha but they are still very close. they should fight each other or give us a double battle against them

    • @WooperChannel
      @WooperChannel ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Regarding the theory that Agatha is actually from Sinnoh and that she moved to Kanto is confirmed by the Spaceworld demo in 97, where she is geographically present inside a small town located at the extreme north of Nihon which corresponds to today's Sinnoh. Agatha in a house.

  • @marywallace3620
    @marywallace3620 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Since Agatha's appearance and staff has changed in the Let's Go games, I like to think that maybe the gengar carving was built around the pokeball and all she has to do is press her palm onto the top which would then summon the her gengar and maybe for a brief second, Gengar looks like it's posseessing the carving before it slips out.

  • @alfernix
    @alfernix ปีที่แล้ว +177

    Hey, if this month you're going to talk about Ghost Type trainers, I suggest that could be a great idea to make a video about Hoenn's Elite Four Phoebe, because she has a great story told alongside the games. In ORAS we met her grandmother and grandfather in Mt. Pyre, where the Blue Orb and the Red Orb are being protected by them both. When you end the games if you visit again Mt. Pyre, you'll see Phoebe there sad because her grandmother and grandfather had died. It's very interesting, because since Phoebe has been also in Pokemon Masters since the begining of the game, she has appeared in some events and has told more about they. It's a very cool and interesting theme for a video, I hope you do it.

    • @shadowmarauder6033
      @shadowmarauder6033 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      A fact people seem to overlook is that in some media the twin gym leaders in Mosdeep are also the grandkids of the Mt. Pyre couple. So technically Phoebe is a cousin to 2 gym leaders with powers! How cool is that?!

    • @akiradkcn
      @akiradkcn ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@shadowmarauder6033 very cool

    • @Tsukune2001
      @Tsukune2001 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      There's also the ghost of a little girl in Phoebe's elite four room in ORAS.

    • @nazeersadek6705
      @nazeersadek6705 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@shadowmarauder6033 where was this mentioned?

    • @shadowmarauder6033
      @shadowmarauder6033 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@nazeersadek6705 in the adventures manga, which is more inline with the stories the creators pokémon wanted to tell

  • @kurigaru
    @kurigaru ปีที่แล้ว +12

    1:58 her scarf also looks like people bound together at the fringes 😱

  • @KingRumar
    @KingRumar ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Agatha’s design is reminiscent of a witch/alchemist. Apron for concoctions and maintaining her home, poison and ghost theme to further the spiritual and darker path. With the new redesign adds to the witch of the woods look.

  • @mantidream8179
    @mantidream8179 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really like Agatha's design, especially her FireRed/LeafGreen art. From her name to her being an old woman, she doesn't seem like the type to train such menacing Pokemon, but her eyes are hard and her grin seems to suggest a sadistic nature.

  • @zarxiel2339
    @zarxiel2339 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think Bertha and Agatha are sisters, and Bertha just moved from Kanto to Sinnoh. In Masters we have the confimation her Hippowdon is not her starter, making Rhyperior the best option to be her starter at this point, a Kanto evolutionary line.

    • @JustAPrinnyDood
      @JustAPrinnyDood ปีที่แล้ว

      Agatha is definitely the older sister. Wouldn't be surprised if they had a younger one who's name starts with C.

  • @edra2005
    @edra2005 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I remember seeing a comic once of Agatha mentoring Karen to replace her at the Pokemon league
    Karen also has a Gengar and both dark and ghost were underrepresented and feared in the early generations
    I think she stayed long enough so Karen can take her place in the league
    She's also nestled between Bruno and Lance in the Pokemon league order
    Speaking of its possible that Lorelei could've nominated Koga or Will to take her place at the league

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will considering she's in his room that still has the frozen water. But then again in the Spaceworld Demo Lorelei was part of the League still so it's probably a carryover

  • @TartzAndStuff
    @TartzAndStuff ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Fun fact: at the end of Blossom’s dream, her nidorino fought with a gengar, which may be a reference to the gen 1 as well, which is cool that the anime links with the game a little more despite their big differences

    • @ammagon4519
      @ammagon4519 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm pretty sure it's just some on the nose reference to the Nidorino vs Gengar fight lol, and I think they specifically chose Nidoran for Blossom's Pokemon since Nidoking and Nidoqueen look very different cause of their genders compared to other pokemon, so they could realy reflect that family values in the entire short.
      Underrated Pokemon short btw

    • @TartzAndStuff
      @TartzAndStuff ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@ammagon4519​That would make sense, also it is pretty underrated

  • @Yomi2012
    @Yomi2012 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When shawntal said Agatha and Bertha name sound very similar. You have to look at the Japanese version. Agatha is kikuko and Bertha is kikuno

  • @typemasters2871
    @typemasters2871 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Now there needs to be a rock or poison specialist that is younger than Bertha and Agatha just to continue charm’s legacy

  • @espyjump2725
    @espyjump2725 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great vid man! I like the references to the manga you always include in these background videos

  • @deaderontheinside6871
    @deaderontheinside6871 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I like how depending on the game, she swaps between looking like the drag persona of Oak or Giovanni.

  • @uaiso5200
    @uaiso5200 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    So... agatha and bertha are charm's regional forms?

  • @PokePalm2534
    @PokePalm2534 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't think Agatha had died. Though one can live shortly or long, she didn't look that senile. Later we have a person like Opal who is 88 at the time of Sword and Shield. Agatha might be a few years younger than Opal in the games and some twenty years younger than Opal in the anime because no one ages.

  • @juno6195
    @juno6195 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think both the cane designs are cool, so I’d like to propose a compromise. The gengar decoration at the tip of it, but it’s mouth opens up to reveal the pokeball

  • @RoseSupreme
    @RoseSupreme ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like what Polished Crystal did with her by making her a fightable trainer in Lavender Town. It also included a battle with Lorelei in Ice Path.

  • @SikezSypherZ
    @SikezSypherZ ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Agatha
    Bertha
    Charm
    ABC, it’s all coming together now

  • @potatohildy
    @potatohildy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I first saw Agatha I thought she was Oak in drag

  • @douglashenrique188
    @douglashenrique188 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:57 her scar really look like people holding hands, like, the circular paterna make heads and shoulders, and the scarf fringes are the legs. Really a nice touch to a ghost type

  • @BaconNuke
    @BaconNuke ปีที่แล้ว +118

    Not to ruin a kind of sad video but like.. Gen 1 had many issues.. Agatha was more of a Poison specialist while Koga was more of a Bug specialist.. and Lance the birdkeeper is there too.. oh and Bruno has been called a Hiker as a joke by a few I have watched on youtube..

    • @LightStreak567
      @LightStreak567 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      When a Gym Leader's Pokemon has more than one type, it doesn't mean they specialize in their Pokemon's secondary type. Gym Leaders use dual typed Pokemon to cover their weaknesses. But in Bruno and Agatha's case, there were too few fighting and ghost type Pokemon during Gen 1.

    • @jean-pierrebenzenique
      @jean-pierrebenzenique ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bruno jokingly called a hiker is kinda understandable, but Koga isn’t bug type specialist, the only bug type he used was Venomoth
      maybe also Ariados, but is has more associated with his daughter instead

    • @jerelgayle3625
      @jerelgayle3625 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@LightStreak567 There were enough fighting types in Gen 1 for Bruno to use: for some reason he didn’t use Poliwrath or Primeape.

    • @jerelgayle3625
      @jerelgayle3625 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jean-pierrebenzenique The only way Koga could be considered a bug specialist is in Yellow where he uses a team of Venonat and a Venomoth and it’s highly-debatable because they’re all part Poison. The only non-poison Bug type he used was Forretress and that was to fit with his ninja theme.

    • @LightStreak567
      @LightStreak567 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jerelgayle3625 Primeape and Poliwrath is forgettable in Gen 1 because not a single Pokemon Trainer in the game uses them. I even forget about Golem!

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @Oceane1803
    @Oceane1803 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I really like Agatha. Like, she's the first person that we walk in the footseteps of. Long before Cynthia. And she even had her own rival : Oak himself and that's just so cool.
    If they want to bring back Gen 1 once more, they should make a spinoff game where we play in Kanto's past. Before the Dex, before the modernisation of Kanto and Poké Balls.
    Now that I think about it, this would make for a good Legends Kanto game.
    The male character would be Oak (but we could name him whatever we want) and the female character Agatha (but we could also name her whatever we want).
    They would be young adults (as they seem to be depicted in the manga at the time of their journey), which would shaken up the formula.
    We could roam around in a more natural version of Kanto. Maybe with a Saffron Village as a base or something. There would already be gyms and the Elite 4 though.
    If think that this idea has potential.

    • @thatwillowbee2872
      @thatwillowbee2872 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh hey, I remember there was a fan game called "Pokemon Gen 0" that was exactly like your idea (I think! I just know that it focuses on young Agatha and Oak.)

    • @Oceane1803
      @Oceane1803 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh really ? I should look that up. A bit sad that when I have a good idea for once, it already exists.

    • @Oceane1803
      @Oceane1803 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can't play it because it's an fangame on RPG Maker and not a hack rom 😢

    • @zereon
      @zereon ปีที่แล้ว

      ah hell no
      genwunners

    • @Oceane1803
      @Oceane1803 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah actually, I don't think that the hardcore genwunners would like this game. After all, it would change the setting in which their precious gen 1 takes place.

  • @BasedMigz
    @BasedMigz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Her use of poison types can also mean her toxic relationship with Oak

  • @RhapsodyHC
    @RhapsodyHC ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Agatha passing away would make sense because she represents Ghost type. Plus it wraps up her character well. She can finally rest in peace after living a life of grudge.

  • @Cope.247
    @Cope.247 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lmfao hearing you say “spilled the tea.” 😭 I loved it

  • @joshuaboucher8258
    @joshuaboucher8258 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love to see more lore videos like this!!!

  • @Ember-Rodriguez
    @Ember-Rodriguez ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always been my favorite elite 4 member. Back when I was young and a little dumb the fire red elite four really was a challenge and she made for a fun battle.

  • @kirbyofthestarsfan
    @kirbyofthestarsfan ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The LGPE design is not really a scarf, but more of a cape

    • @FandomMemer
      @FandomMemer ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it's not just me who noticed that. I do think it's more likely a shawl and not a cape, but it's definitely NOT a scarf, lol.

  • @Doopyhpp
    @Doopyhpp ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If Agatha used to look like charm I would see why oak would want to hang out with her

    • @Broomer52
      @Broomer52 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      According to her Oak never picked up her hints growing up and Oak loved talking about Pokémon. They would battle and between battles Oak would just ramble on and on about Pokémon to her. She clearly liked the guy but Oak was an oblivious nerd that just saw her as a really good friend.

    • @Doopyhpp
      @Doopyhpp ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Broomer52 that’s actually kinda based

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Doopyhpp No it isn't

    • @Doopyhpp
      @Doopyhpp ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChangedMyNameFinally69 why hang out with girls when you can study Pokémon

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Doopyhpp Because studying Pokémon GETS the girls, see Brock

  • @kleinerfuchsi
    @kleinerfuchsi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There were lots of clues and theories about Agatha being Blue's (or Gary Oak) grandmother. Not the one married to Prof. Oak, but the other one and secretly in love with Oak, since they were rivals in childhood. I really like this theory and wish it were canon.

  • @thekiwibird37
    @thekiwibird37 ปีที่แล้ว

    As somebody who played Gen 1 back in the day when Alakazam was the most broken thing on earth with a Gengar in my team of six, I gotta say, it was so cool to see Agatha in the E4 with two of them! I'd also love to see more of her at some point, especially since Oak is still rolling around. I wanna roll up to a spooky house and there she is, just vibing in it with Gengar.

  • @GengarYes
    @GengarYes ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Its need- oh- ree- noh

  • @vesselthanatos3033
    @vesselthanatos3033 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i would've loved if in gold and silver (or HG/SS) we saw Agatha in Oak's home in pallet town, showing that she reconnected with him and started a proper relationship or something

  • @kuitaranheatmorus9932
    @kuitaranheatmorus9932 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I sure love these videos and yes good video
    Hope u have a great day

  • @jonathanfujimura3364
    @jonathanfujimura3364 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nido”rhino” 😂

  • @TugboatTet
    @TugboatTet ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Stuff! Maybe a video on New Mawville for spooky month?

  • @Lucky-Nick123
    @Lucky-Nick123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It makes sense, Agatha must have retired after some loses after battles and personal issues. As for ancestors, i think they do have connections

  • @AlphaDal-if9vv
    @AlphaDal-if9vv ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s been a long time, so I can’t remember if, it was the games or the anime that mentioned that Oak used to work as Rowan’s assistant. If that’s the case then I wonder if part of the reason Agatha is somewhat bitter toward Oak, is because Oak chose Bertha over her. Assuming of course that Agatha actually had a thing for Oak. Gary/Blue has to have a mom and grandma somewhere right? Unless the manga fills in some of those gaps?

  • @hooviridis8388
    @hooviridis8388 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My theory about Agatha not being in the E4 in Gold and Silver:
    After her battle with Red, she recalls some of the battles she's had with Oak and decides to step down as an E4 member to pursue another adventure in a far off land for the remainder of her days (It's worth noting that her and Oak are likely the same age, making her not as old as we believe her to be and that her ghoulish appearance could the the result of her Gengar slowly draining her lifeforce).
    As for Lorelei, I have a theory regarding her:
    After Team Rocket's invasion of Four Island, she remained vigilant while staying a part of the E4. When word got around that Team Rocket had reformed, she stepped down from her spot as an E4 member to return to Four Island, in the events that Team Rocket might decide to poach the Lapras of Icefall Cave again.

  • @dychrisshandonsmith1242
    @dychrisshandonsmith1242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep it up on your work and this video and channel

  • @wikiuser92
    @wikiuser92 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Fame Checker in FireRed and LeafGreen also mentions Oak and Agatha having been rivals.

  • @bellewithane
    @bellewithane ปีที่แล้ว +2

    goodness i love agatha 😭😭😭😭

  • @renatoduquetm
    @renatoduquetm ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought I knew all about them, but I had totally missed the Shauntal quote!

  • @MagillanicaLouM
    @MagillanicaLouM ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing to keep in mind, Johto is closely connected geographically to both Kanto and Sinnoh. Perhaps Agatha was born in Johto and being cousins, her and Bertha's family in Sinnoh were close. But very early in life her family moved to Kanto, separating her from her beloved cousin and she became a loner till she started pining after a young Oak, who sadly despite their strong rivalry, only saw their relationship as such. He ends up with a different woman, pursuing his studies while starting a family to boot, the heartbroken Agatha becoming the woman we know now due to losing 2 kinds of love in life. Having to move from close familial love early in life and sadly learning not everyone is meant to be with somebody as a young woman.... I hope she's doing well later in the timeline(s).

  • @rinatepaste9218
    @rinatepaste9218 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well. And i always thought she was a ghost

  • @MattDustyParker
    @MattDustyParker ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. I'm more partial to Bertha bc I love ground types.

  • @JD1zzle23
    @JD1zzle23 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought it was a cool sort of work around with the lack of ghosts in gen 1 that in the adventures manga Agatha’s arbok and golbat had more ghostly appearances and powers compared to koga’s

  • @sawyersmith2957
    @sawyersmith2957 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like Agatha is just a disguised ghost

  • @peter-mickey-chu198
    @peter-mickey-chu198 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    R. I. P. Angela Lansbury For Voicing Agatha.

  • @bianca-uw4sq
    @bianca-uw4sq ปีที่แล้ว

    great video 😊

  • @karinasquire5190
    @karinasquire5190 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:06 Agatha looks like Professor Oak on drag

  • @niteriemcfarlane5285
    @niteriemcfarlane5285 ปีที่แล้ว

    agatha: this will be my last Pokémon go GENGAR!!

  • @Cuppamilky
    @Cuppamilky 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agatha walked so ghost/dark type trainers today could RUN

  • @piron2399
    @piron2399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have always loved the original Elite 4, and Agatha was always the one that caught my attention the most. She looks completely different than any other trainer in the game, and also is very different when compared to gym leaders and the rest of the elite 4. Kanto is by far the less explored region lore-wise, and with so many holes in the story, I guess we'll just have to imagine most things. I'd like to think that Agatha retired and left Kanto for a more calm region, such as Hoenn, enjoying the warm sun.

  • @Whitecichlid
    @Whitecichlid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Late comment from me here, but just wanted to point out that Bertha's ace Pokemon in Platinum is Rhyperior, Rhydon's evolution. This, as well as other instances in Legends, shows that Platinum should be considered the most "canon" game out of D-P-Pt.

  • @Juno_Kujo
    @Juno_Kujo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:10
    "Nidorano"

  • @dychrisshandonsmith1242
    @dychrisshandonsmith1242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks you for your video and channel

  • @Robin280497
    @Robin280497 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Slight correction:
    Hippowdon is Bertha's Ace in D/P and the initial battle in BD/SP (and her Sync Pair in Masters).
    Rhyperior is her Ace in Platinum and in the Rematches in BD/SP, so I'd say that's her true Ace.

  • @brandoncrawford4281
    @brandoncrawford4281 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agatha's purple outfit with an apron looks very similar to a sableyes face to me

  • @suchalem6686
    @suchalem6686 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually really like how Let's Go made her more of a crooked old hag than her other iterations. It really helps to emphasize both her Ghost and Poison theming, and while it loses the charm of her being a stoic old woman with a bit of a dark side, I really like it as an exploration of her character.

  • @shadeclockworker6507
    @shadeclockworker6507 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Guess it wasn't Agatha all along.

  • @cliffcorson4000
    @cliffcorson4000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agatha is the original Tsundere

  • @LucyRoseLuna
    @LucyRoseLuna ปีที่แล้ว

    4:05 "friendship"

  • @fireembliam9090
    @fireembliam9090 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:11 She is also my favorite.

  • @stevenreyes7779
    @stevenreyes7779 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay 3:10 that shit blew my fucking mind lol

  • @francisco2759
    @francisco2759 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Agatha is also confirmed to have had children with Oak in Masters. Blue calls her grandma

    • @Hamantha
      @Hamantha ปีที่แล้ว +39

      It could also be a family friend thing. Like how a family friend is called uncle or aunt

    • @flyingchairguy2221
      @flyingchairguy2221 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I think it’s very common for you g characters to call old characters grandpa and grandma especially in Japanese media, like how Naruto calls tsunade grandma tsunade despite there being no relation

    • @emilstoqanov3270
      @emilstoqanov3270 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@flyingchairguy2221 tecnically they are related by clan but that's about it

    • @LegoCat88
      @LegoCat88 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I think he calls her grandma as an insult to her age, at least that’s how I take it.

    • @fothorso
      @fothorso ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In japanese, its polite to call the elderly that instead of just using their name without honorifics. That's just what Blue was doing.

  • @acshepard6779
    @acshepard6779 ปีที่แล้ว

    She became one with her ghost pokemons

  • @zame-osomething5096
    @zame-osomething5096 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never seen the pokeball in the cane.

  • @elijahoder3667
    @elijahoder3667 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agatha is my favorite Indigo Elite 4 member

  • @dukemagus
    @dukemagus ปีที่แล้ว

    Used to think Agatha was Giovanni in disguise. Same Face!

  • @idreadFell365
    @idreadFell365 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still want that fool art bandit trio card from Lost Origins

  • @Megsducks
    @Megsducks ปีที่แล้ว

    Her model in Let’s Go looks like professor oak in drag

  • @TheEvilPanda87
    @TheEvilPanda87 ปีที่แล้ว

    She became the Verdian city gym in anime

  • @atlander4204
    @atlander4204 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Am I the only one who’d love to see Agathoak getting together in their twilight years?

  • @Zilear
    @Zilear ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was little I thought she specialized in poison types cause all her Pokémon were poison, but as I grew older I found out how oblivious and stupid I was lol

  • @KogawaYuri-ENVtuber
    @KogawaYuri-ENVtuber ปีที่แล้ว

    Poor Agatha! She creepy as heck but I still feel bad for her

  • @solution_jw
    @solution_jw ปีที่แล้ว

    “Need-o-rhino”

  • @ullyssescmosely
    @ullyssescmosely ปีที่แล้ว

    Idk somewhere along the line i was led to believe agatha was karens grandmother

  • @MrShadowThief
    @MrShadowThief ปีที่แล้ว

    No one:
    Gator: "Nidorano"

  • @jamesmussell799
    @jamesmussell799 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agatha in Let’s go looks likeOak but with a wig on