Eah, great comparison.... It always boils down to simple variables. 1) Can I afford $ to buy or keep and preferably both? 2) Can I afford the Time to figure out the Cool Niche Elements, Cool Sounds that fulfil the moment of my sonic goal and need? 3) does it add or replace my other gear ? 4) Are you making money in this discipline and living the edge or are you a weekender / hobbyist / collector ?
Even though the MatrixBrute looks so impressive, the Pro 3 is powerful too, but it's hidden behind intuiive design. One thing the MatrixBrute has going for it, though, is pulling up a factory preset, you can visually see how the mod matrix is congifured on the matrix of buttons. On the Pro 3, I have to menu dive to figure out how a preset's mod matrix is congifured,. But on the Pro 3 congifuring the mod matrix is so easy, it can be done quickly even during live play in most instances without any need to examine labels along a X and Y table. It can be easier on the MatrixBrute if you memorized the locations. But in the end, the Pro 3 won me over. Just a very intuitive and smart design. I really did like the tilting control panel on the MatrixBrute, so I got the Pro 3 SE with a better designed flip up control panel that doesn't require lifting all the cables when propping it up.
Oh, forget to mention, even though the Pro 3 only hhas 4 CV in and 4 CV out on the back, they can be configured for anything, signal voltages or audio, so if you want each oscillator to have their very own output it can. The labels on the back make it seem very limited, but they aren't It makes a great controller for a Eurorack, but honestly, both make great controllers for Eurorack.
two absolutely fantastic synthesizers! 😍 I hesitated for a long time to take the pro 3 because I was afraid that it would overlap too much with my matrixbrute! 😱 it is thanks to your video that I understood that it was quite the opposite and that they were in fact very complementary 🤩 so a big thank you to you your sharing will have been of great help to me 👍 all the best for the future and good continuation! 😉
Thanks for taking all the time to make the comparison. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how the Matrixbute could have a greater sonic range when the Pro 3 has a wavetable oscillator, three filters rather than two, and a much deeper modulation matrix.
PRO 3 does have the digital oscillator with 32 waveforms where as MatrixBrute oscillator 3 is limited. But, MatrixBrute oscillators 1 and 2 have more range than PRO 3 with the ability to blend and modulate the 3 waveforms continuously while adding a sub-oscillator. PRO 3 oscillators 1 and 2 can only have a single waveform type and shape mod at any given moment. PRO 3 does have 3 filter types but only one type can used at a time and only one is state variable. MatrixBrute has 2 filters where both can be used in series or in parallel. Also, MatrixBrute has the additional master cutoff control and “Brute Factor” drive controls. Lastly, both MatrixBrute filters are state variable. PRO 3 has 32 user definable mod matrix slots. MatrixBrute has 12 hard wired and 16 user definable mod matrix slots (28 total). Effectively, PRO 3 doesn’t have such a big advantage there with the additional 4 slots. MatrixBrute does have more available destinations. Thank you for watching the video and your comments. Please subscribe. TJ
@@tjontheroad I think on the Pro 3 VCOs if you combine using the "Shape" knob (which you know is continuously variable from triangle to sawtooth to pulse) together with using the "Shape Mod" knob (which changes the pulse width of the VCOs), you should get a very similar, if not identical, wave blending function. The implementation on the interface for blending is different on the Pro 3 but I'm guessing that the raw VCOs are no less flexible/variable on the Pro 3. (And yes, the Pro 3 digital oscillator has 32 wavetables, each with 16 waveforms as you pointed out). It might be nice to have a sub-oscillator on the the Pro 3, but in practice I rarely have the need on an analog synth to add a fourth oscillator with a basic waveform to the sound/patch. Anyway, again, nice work on the video. Very informative. Much appreciated.
@@tjontheroad Nice comparison! One thing though: "PRO 3 has 32 user definable mod matrix slots. MatrixBrute has 12 hard wired and 16 user definable mod matrix slots (28 total). Effectively, PRO 3 doesn’t have such a big advantage there with the additional 4 slots. MatrixBrute does have more available destinations." While the Pro-3 has more sources and has CCs as destinations, the MatrixBrute has no less than 448 simultaneous mod matrix slots(!!!). It has 28 simultaneous _destinations_ (from a selection of all parameters + all 448 mod slots) - It's pretty much untouchable in this area. :) While it's almost as easy to assign as modulator on the Pro-3, one the assignments are done, they're no longer visible or hands-on as you have to access them through the menu. That's another MxB exclusive - the mod matrix actually being visible and editable at all times. I wanted to love the Pro-3, but your video has convinced me that it's not worth it for me (thanks for helping me save a stack of money :)). I much prefer the MxB sound and interface.
MB has lots of filter overdrive and feedback available. The oscillators can also be easily driven into the mixer. It can also sound very sweet and light if programed without all that hard gain staging. Thank for watching, TJ
What are your thoughts on form factor. It might help me decide between the Pro 3 and SE. The screen is quite an important thing when using the Pro 3 - do you find yourself bending / leaning over the keys/panel to see it properly? I'm wondering if the SE would be a great option as it brings the screen right in front of you at a nice ergonomic angle. Having used the Matrixbrute do you think the Pro 3 would be better in that for factor?
IMO, the PRO 3 SE isn't worth the extra money from a practical point of view. Sure, it looks nice with the wood sides and tilt panel. But, it takes more studio space and doesn't really make PRO3 much easier to use. Only maybe the bottom portions of the sequencer screens are tough to see at an angle. That's not worth an extra $600 to me. Conversely, the MatrixBrute benefits greatly with the tilt panel vs PRO 3 because the MatrixBrute panel is much bigger in size. When laying flat, the MatrixBrute will wear out your arms reaching for the top row controls. Thanks for watching. Cheers, TJ
@@tjontheroad Fair enough. It is also screen printed vs the sticker. I see that it's only 33cm deep and the Pro 3 still has an angle to it so the screen won't be far away. I actually think the non-SE looks better though - at least from the pics. I didn't really hear much i liked from this demo though - I much preferred the matrixbrute.
@@MadelnMachines Yes, I forget about the stickered panel. I hope it doesn't peal off with age. I can't say I prefer one over the other sound wise. They sound different in many ways. I do think MatrixBrute is a bit more versatile.
The SE is great - I love the tilt panel, and it looks gorgeous. 😍 And sounds every bit as good as the standard model, of course. I can hear how the MB would compliment its sounds, but the Pro3 is everything I need. Life is short - get both, if you feel the need!
I think with MB you can play a seq/arp and still be able to play a seperate solo with a paraphonic voice. Don't think the Pro 3 allows that? Great vid btw.
MatrixBrute has a Duo-Split mode where the arp or sequencer can play the lower half of keys with the 3rd oscillator. The 1st and 2nd oscillator play the upper half of keys. PRO3 doesn't have a split function. Thanks for watching, TJ
Perhaps because the Matrixbrute is using analog FX? The Matrixbrute sounds more vintage to me, the Pro3 more "modern." They're both lovely bits-o-kit, though.
@@tjontheroad TH-cam cannot relay the lower frequencies properly, I own a MatrixBrute and has an very powerful bottom end thump, way more thumpy and creamy than any Moog for example.
@@karimnasser9226 TH-cam does have it's limits for sure. I do think PRO3 is a bit better in the bottom end. MatrixBrute really shines in the mid-range. Cheers, TJ
I am sending my pro 3 back 2 years in and I have filter ghosting and other ghosting commands that have become unusable. I am looking at changing it for a MB I will probably change my mind as the SE can do some amazing stuff
@3:48 Actually the MatrixBrute has a better LFO implementation, you can actually draw your LFO wave by pressing the LFO Left and Right arrows simultaneously, the drawing the wave on the Matrix LEDs. You can do this on both LFO1 and LFO2, simultaneously. Imagine two LFOs of your own design, AND including delay on LFO2. Insanity!
Great comparison 👍 I have the brute and the sequencer workflow is the easiest and most efficient out there, it’s an analog work horse that can deliver staple sounds, And I just ordered a pro 3 to replace 1/2 of my modular set up......great combo
Thanks for the comparison. I appreciate Dave doing his thing still, after all these decades. However, that S&H->Filter patch @1:00 was a glaring reminder of what I dislike about DSI filters. To me the MB is like the best alternative to Macbeth M5 or GRP A4 and for about half the money. It sounds like what Chewbacca looks like - somehow much more inviting to listen to than the other 'brutes (the PolyBrute isn't bad, either. But not sounding as good and lively as MB imho). I even prefer it's character to new Moogs...if it had sliders I'd have gotten one already (doing ok with a '71 2600 atm :)
@@tjontheroad haha maybe different coloured sections on the panel! But I would just like to give it some shinier knobs to play with...... I know it’s possible but I’m not sure where to find out the peg shapes and sizes. Fantastic video nonetheless!
@@EverettDudgeon138 pro3 dont have a chance. A buggy interface stupid sequencer and is good only in papers much thiner sound. It tries so hard to become a virus...it lost completely its identity no wonder 50% of those who buy it return it and tmann has always bstock of them packed Matrixbrute shaped the sound of modern berlin all dark tek artists use it do your homework You confuse acid with dark mate Distortion wow... u mean a sherman with matrixbrute which is an actual distortion... Now pro2...i wont argue there..another story..much more raw
@@smartwerker ow u have a pro3 u must be famous. I have em all bro dont worry. Pro3 never blend with me. Its flat to my ears.gets dirty with its distortions and has a good reverb but sound is not there for me. Over rated. A sherman and a matrixbrute make circles around the pro3
Thank you. This was really helpful for me to stay with my Matrixbrute and buy a pro 3 too.
Very informative!
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Eah, great comparison.... It always boils down to simple variables. 1) Can I afford $ to buy or keep and preferably both? 2) Can I afford the Time to figure out the Cool Niche Elements, Cool Sounds that fulfil the moment of my sonic goal and need? 3) does it add or replace my other gear ? 4) Are you making money in this discipline and living the edge or are you a weekender / hobbyist / collector ?
Even though the MatrixBrute looks so impressive, the Pro 3 is powerful too, but it's hidden behind intuiive design. One thing the MatrixBrute has going for it, though, is pulling up a factory preset, you can visually see how the mod matrix is congifured on the matrix of buttons. On the Pro 3, I have to menu dive to figure out how a preset's mod matrix is congifured,. But on the Pro 3 congifuring the mod matrix is so easy, it can be done quickly even during live play in most instances without any need to examine labels along a X and Y table. It can be easier on the MatrixBrute if you memorized the locations. But in the end, the Pro 3 won me over. Just a very intuitive and smart design. I really did like the tilting control panel on the MatrixBrute, so I got the Pro 3 SE with a better designed flip up control panel that doesn't require lifting all the cables when propping it up.
Oh, forget to mention, even though the Pro 3 only hhas 4 CV in and 4 CV out on the back, they can be configured for anything, signal voltages or audio, so if you want each oscillator to have their very own output it can. The labels on the back make it seem very limited, but they aren't It makes a great controller for a Eurorack, but honestly, both make great controllers for Eurorack.
Thanks for watching. Cheers TJ
Great comparisson! both great synths, but I am glad I went first for the Pro 3 👍
Thanks for watching. Cheers, TJ
Thanks a bunch for making this video mate! It really helped to clear out some question marks for me.
Thanks for watching. Cheers mate, TJ
two absolutely fantastic synthesizers! 😍
I hesitated for a long time to take the pro 3 because I was afraid that it would overlap too much with my matrixbrute! 😱
it is thanks to your video that I understood that it was quite the opposite and that they were in fact very complementary 🤩
so a big thank you to you your sharing will have been of great help to me 👍
all the best for the future and good continuation! 😉
Thanks for watching. I still have both Pro3 and MxB. They're like brothers in arms.
Cheers, TJ
If you could only keep one … ?! 🤔
Thanks so much for your time and effort to make this video. It helps me a lot to make a choice.....
Thanks for watching. You can't go wrong with either MatrixBrute or Pro3.
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I love clear and intelligent explanations of what's being done. Thank you. Subscribed!
Thank you. Cheers, TJ
Thanks for taking all the time to make the comparison. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how the Matrixbute could have a greater sonic range when the Pro 3 has a wavetable oscillator, three filters rather than two, and a much deeper modulation matrix.
PRO 3 does have the digital oscillator with 32 waveforms where as MatrixBrute oscillator 3 is limited. But, MatrixBrute oscillators 1 and 2 have more range than PRO 3 with the ability to blend and modulate the 3 waveforms continuously while adding a sub-oscillator. PRO 3 oscillators 1 and 2 can only have a single waveform type and shape mod at any given moment.
PRO 3 does have 3 filter types but only one type can used at a time and only one is state variable. MatrixBrute has 2 filters where both can be used in series or in parallel. Also, MatrixBrute has the additional master cutoff control and “Brute Factor” drive controls. Lastly, both MatrixBrute filters are state variable.
PRO 3 has 32 user definable mod matrix slots. MatrixBrute has 12 hard wired and 16 user definable mod matrix slots (28 total). Effectively, PRO 3 doesn’t have such a big advantage there with the additional 4 slots. MatrixBrute does have more available destinations.
Thank you for watching the video and your comments. Please subscribe. TJ
@@tjontheroad I think on the Pro 3 VCOs if you combine using the "Shape" knob (which you know is continuously variable from triangle to sawtooth to pulse) together with using the "Shape Mod" knob (which changes the pulse width of the VCOs), you should get a very similar, if not identical, wave blending function. The implementation on the interface for blending is different on the Pro 3 but I'm guessing that the raw VCOs are no less flexible/variable on the Pro 3. (And yes, the Pro 3 digital oscillator has 32 wavetables, each with 16 waveforms as you pointed out). It might be nice to have a sub-oscillator on the the Pro 3, but in practice I rarely have the need on an analog synth to add a fourth oscillator with a basic waveform to the sound/patch. Anyway, again, nice work on the video. Very informative. Much appreciated.
@@tjontheroad Nice comparison! One thing though:
"PRO 3 has 32 user definable mod matrix slots. MatrixBrute has 12 hard wired and 16 user definable mod matrix slots (28 total). Effectively, PRO 3 doesn’t have such a big advantage there with the additional 4 slots. MatrixBrute does have more available destinations."
While the Pro-3 has more sources and has CCs as destinations, the MatrixBrute has no less than 448 simultaneous mod matrix slots(!!!). It has 28 simultaneous _destinations_ (from a selection of all parameters + all 448 mod slots) - It's pretty much untouchable in this area. :)
While it's almost as easy to assign as modulator on the Pro-3, one the assignments are done, they're no longer visible or hands-on as you have to access them through the menu. That's another MxB exclusive - the mod matrix actually being visible and editable at all times.
I wanted to love the Pro-3, but your video has convinced me that it's not worth it for me (thanks for helping me save a stack of money :)). I much prefer the MxB sound and interface.
I agree and spoke of this in the above comments replies. Thanks for watching. Please share and subscribe. TJ
Good video and good comparison and I agree with your analysis of them both. They both bring their own uniqueness and do indeed compliment each other.
Thanks for watching. TJ
I think that Matrixbrute UI is darn near perfect. The sound is a preference thing but you can't argue with the hardware.
MatrixBrute UI is very good I agree. It is sometimes quirky, but that's a part of the charm of using it.
Thanks for watching, TJ
Why does the MB always sound buzzy / like it’s running through a fuzz pedal?! Is that overdrive? the SP filter?
MB has lots of filter overdrive and feedback available. The oscillators can also be easily driven into the mixer. It can also sound very sweet and light if programed without all that hard gain staging.
Thank for watching, TJ
What are your thoughts on form factor. It might help me decide between the Pro 3 and SE. The screen is quite an important thing when using the Pro 3 - do you find yourself bending / leaning over the keys/panel to see it properly? I'm wondering if the SE would be a great option as it brings the screen right in front of you at a nice ergonomic angle. Having used the Matrixbrute do you think the Pro 3 would be better in that for factor?
IMO, the PRO 3 SE isn't worth the extra money from a practical point of view. Sure, it looks nice with the wood sides and tilt panel. But, it takes more studio space and doesn't really make PRO3 much easier to use. Only maybe the bottom portions of the sequencer screens are tough to see at an angle. That's not worth an extra $600 to me. Conversely, the MatrixBrute benefits greatly with the tilt panel vs PRO 3 because the MatrixBrute panel is much bigger in size. When laying flat, the MatrixBrute will wear out your arms reaching for the top row controls.
Thanks for watching. Cheers, TJ
@@tjontheroad Fair enough. It is also screen printed vs the sticker. I see that it's only 33cm deep and the Pro 3 still has an angle to it so the screen won't be far away. I actually think the non-SE looks better though - at least from the pics. I didn't really hear much i liked from this demo though - I much preferred the matrixbrute.
@@MadelnMachines Yes, I forget about the stickered panel. I hope it doesn't peal off with age. I can't say I prefer one over the other sound wise. They sound different in many ways. I do think MatrixBrute is a bit more versatile.
The SE is great - I love the tilt panel, and it looks gorgeous. 😍 And sounds every bit as good as the standard model, of course.
I can hear how the MB would compliment its sounds, but the Pro3 is everything I need. Life is short - get both, if you feel the need!
I think with MB you can play a seq/arp and still be able to play a seperate solo with a paraphonic voice. Don't think the Pro 3 allows that? Great vid btw.
MatrixBrute has a Duo-Split mode where the arp or sequencer can play the lower half of keys with the 3rd oscillator. The 1st and 2nd oscillator play the upper half of keys. PRO3 doesn't have a split function.
Thanks for watching, TJ
Pro3 more cutting and with more Highend, and Matrixbrute more "creamy" and warm ? Good job and demo !
I generally would agree. The PRO3 also has a bit more bottom end thump. MxB lives best in the mid-range. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe. TJ
Perhaps because the Matrixbrute is using analog FX? The Matrixbrute sounds more vintage to me, the Pro3 more "modern." They're both lovely bits-o-kit, though.
@@tjontheroad TH-cam cannot relay the lower frequencies properly, I own a MatrixBrute and has an very powerful bottom end thump, way more thumpy and creamy than any Moog for example.
@@karimnasser9226 TH-cam does have it's limits for sure. I do think PRO3 is a bit better in the bottom end. MatrixBrute really shines in the mid-range.
Cheers, TJ
I am sending my pro 3 back 2 years in and I have filter ghosting and other ghosting commands that have become unusable. I am looking at changing it for a MB I will probably change my mind as the SE can do some amazing stuff
Get that PRO3 fixed and get a MatrixBrute. It's the only right thing to do.
Thanks for watching. TJ
@3:48 Actually the MatrixBrute has a better LFO implementation, you can actually draw your LFO wave by pressing the LFO Left and Right arrows simultaneously, the drawing the wave on the Matrix LEDs. You can do this on both LFO1 and LFO2, simultaneously. Imagine two LFOs of your own design, AND including delay on LFO2. Insanity!
Yes, I mention the fw v2.0 draw function later in the video. It's one of my favorite MatrixBrute features.
Thanks for watching, TJ
Great comparison 👍 I have the brute and the sequencer workflow is the easiest and most efficient out there, it’s an analog work horse that can deliver staple sounds, And I just ordered a pro 3 to replace 1/2 of my modular set up......great combo
They're both great. Enjoy them. Thanks for watching. Please share and subscribe. TJ
which one is your fav and why ?
I can't answer that. They are like my children and I love them both equally :)
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@@tjontheroad🙄😉😏
Great video! Thank you!
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Thanks for the comparison.
I appreciate Dave doing his thing still, after all these decades. However, that S&H->Filter patch @1:00 was a glaring reminder of what I dislike about DSI filters.
To me the MB is like the best alternative to Macbeth M5 or GRP A4 and for about half the money. It sounds like what Chewbacca looks like - somehow much more inviting to listen to than the other 'brutes (the PolyBrute isn't bad, either. But not sounding as good and lively as MB imho). I even prefer it's character to new Moogs...if it had sliders I'd have gotten one already (doing ok with a '71 2600 atm :)
I think the PRO3 S&H patch sounds pretty chewy. A bit more harder edged that what I could do with MB. Both are great though. Thanks for watching, TJ
Is there any way to re-knob the Pro 3? I’d love to give it stronger and sleeker looking knobs!?
Looking for bright colors? :) I never tried myself but I don't see why not.
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@@tjontheroad haha maybe different coloured sections on the panel! But I would just like to give it some shinier knobs to play with...... I know it’s possible but I’m not sure where to find out the peg shapes and sizes. Fantastic video nonetheless!
@@louislozecarey A Moog style colored panel would be fun. That said, the stock PRO3 layout is all business just like the sound.
@@tjontheroad I don’t doubt you I’ll take your word! Thanks for the response!!!
Great video
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Wish i could own both. Id get rid of what i have. (Except the sub37)
I'm not really worthy of both. But that never stop me before ;) Thanks for watching. TJ
Matrixbrute dark/hard or/and industrial techno
Pro3 generic/experimental
With the wavetables, feedback and distortion of the Pro 3 I would say the exact opposite
EverettDudgeon138 same
@@EverettDudgeon138 pro3 dont have a chance. A buggy interface stupid sequencer and is good only in papers much thiner sound. It tries so hard to become a virus...it lost completely its identity no wonder 50% of those who buy it return it and tmann has always bstock of them packed
Matrixbrute shaped the sound of modern berlin all dark tek artists use it do your homework
You confuse acid with dark mate
Distortion wow... u mean a sherman with matrixbrute which is an actual distortion...
Now pro2...i wont argue there..another story..much more raw
@@noobslayerr9732 do you have a Pro 3. I have one and you can’t be more wrong
@@smartwerker ow u have a pro3 u must be famous. I have em all bro dont worry. Pro3 never blend with me. Its flat to my ears.gets dirty with its distortions and has a good reverb but sound is not there for me. Over rated. A sherman and a matrixbrute make circles around the pro3