Legacy is a really fun competitive format for that reason. I play Doomsday and frequently win games with 1 life. Most of that is self inflicted, but it makes opponents feel like they were 1 attack away from winning.
@@JohnFromAccounting In the olde times I once dealt 15 damage to myself on turn one with infernal contracts. I fizzled and passed. My opponent was super confused because he had no clue what I was playing. "So uhhh you just lost 15 life, I uhhh have 2 lightning bolts" "Oki Doki, lets go round 2".
Legacy is by far the most skill testing format, any time I go to a tournament, I either end up in a very interesting spot where someone has to find hard optimal lines, or I see someone else there by just spectating games.
At some point I thought Mengu's tcgplayer sponsorship and cardmarket wouldn't like all the cross-promotion but it's nice to see they're all just going about their business and making great content regardless :)
@@2LettersShoMight be because they are kinda different markets. Seems like tcgplayer is mostly still a us platform while cardmarket is european. Personally I also don’t really see why I would need tcgplayer, but I have also used cardmarket for like fifteen years ow
I voted for Grixis Delver on so many of the community posts and I am so glad to see it survived the Swiss. Such a good deck with a long lifespan in Magic. THANK YOU CARL FOR TAKING THIS CHANNEL TO NEW HEIGHTS IN THE LAST 3 YEARS
Great games! Jamin you were so close and you played well. Andrea Mengucci, phenomenal playing and good luck! Both of you, thank you for the amazing content. We always enjoy watching content you make!
Crazy good video, had me shaking when the delvers refused to flip. I would've liked to see more breach storm, but grixis delver is also really powerful deck that deserves to be here.
@@CardmarketMagicThoughts from me for new best deck ever could be pioneer, vintage and cedh maybe?, but some decks will be better than others, I would be surprised if the legacy deck didn't absolutely crush the standard deck.
@iandegiovani4703 it's almost always me (Carl). If it's someone else, they usually write their name at the end :) the others have other jobs than the youtube channel 😅
This matches are real treat: the amount of quick thinking, wits and experience from Andrea and Jamin (i didn't forget you Carl, your Lands gameplay was epic!) makes a really good match.
It's always a joy to watch Andrea play midrange decks, it's like he always can see the other players hand and can play around everything! But I swear Jamin is the most unlucky player in the best decks ever, the top of his library is very unkind.
@@jaspergray1066 well legacy has actual midrange and control decks... Format being "lightning fast is" is definitely a mischaracterization. Legacy is compressed by combos and wasteland/daze and ancient tomb but games frequently take a long time due to the counterplay dynamics
I love the Delver deck. It's never the best, but always good enough and Andrea knows the lines so well. Truely astonishing. Jamin also pushed his deck as far as it can go : )
I love how even though these decks were designed in very different metas they still find a way to deal with each other! Because lets be honest, the real MVP was Wasteland and the fact that the top of Jamin's library can be very temperamental
Kinda surprised Yamin didn't crack the LED in response to the preordain - feel like he had very few outs with the way he played, while if he preemptively crack the LED both grapeshot and underworld breach would just win the game on the spot.
Yeah, you're definitely right. I still feel Yamin did pretty well playing the deck. I'm glad they got Andrea playing Grixis Delver though since I feel playing Delver is harder in this matchup, especially when you have to gy interaction, therapy, counterspells and cantrips while storm, while being complicated, is more straightforward and can be trained easier I feel.
You're right about cracking for a Breach - however for Grapshot to be lethal, I would've had to also preemptively cast Brain Freeze. Not cracking is better if I find more cantrips or the Delvers don't flip
This is the outcome I expected. Combo decks have come and gone, but Delver is always here. Historically, Delver hasn't been the deck that loses out to combo, it's everything else in the format.
since half the comment section is unaware: you have to activate LED before using the mana. you can't put a spell on the stack and then use LED to pay for it
thats only half if it. wizards ruled that LED isn't a mana ability meaning you have to wait for the cost of discarding your hand to happen before adding the mana. If it wasn't like this, then you could put a spell on the stack and use LED to pay for it.
@@winstonsassman2122 you're just repeating exactly what I said but now with the wrong reasoning. LED is a mana ability since it generates mana, doesn't target, and isn't a loyalty ability. to quote the single gatherer ruling on LED: "The ability is a mana ability"
@@idanbhk3875 yes I already explained the implications of it being weird in my original comment. I clearly am aware of that idk what you're trying to say
It's actually the second time they play in general, but the first time in the Best Decl Ever series. The pairings never had them play against each other yet
@@CardmarketMagic Oh wow, I didn't know that! But based on how many videos you produce, it is still a shock these two only had two matches!! Thank you for the response btw!
@@CardmarketMagic having a blast watching the series!! I'm one of the anomalies where I got into mtg relatively late in it's life and also mine, I started in 2018 when I was 29, and instantly got attracted to legacy and have delved into the formats history and still enjoy it and am fortunate to have a legacy community that plays fortnightly. Watching all these decks is really really fun
I got a mono red EDH storm deck (Ojer Axonil). But whenever I see a Izzet storm deck, I just get confused. So much respect for people who can pilot taht deck! It's a work of math.
Jamin had a t2 win game 1 assuming ponder after fetch was the same. t1: Fetch -> ponder -> draw fetch, freeze on top. Mengu would see the same hand, with only diff being fetch in the yard. If he doesnt keep up spell pierce, then t2: Fetch -> Breach -> Petal -> Recast petal exiling ponder + 2 fetchs -> Brain freeze for 12 and win from there. Of course this is with the knowledge that mengu doesnt have any interaction in hand, but it shows how powerful and fast storm is that it can win t2 with only 1 piece of fast mana.
Would you guys consider some content with limited formats sometime? I for one really enjoy videos of MTG pros explaining their thought process when making sealed decks.
We tried limited content in the past and the issue is that it tales much more editing work but has far viewer average views :/ after a few tries, we gave up. Which is unfortunate because we mostly play limited
One Delver alrady flipped before. So it would just stop 1 delver from flepping. Still its correct, then only 6 dmg. in the air - and that would not kill. So Jaman woudl have 1 more turn (not sure if he had a chance to win still )
I don't agree. I think it's closer to 50/50. It has always been the Ancient Tomb decks and the green creature decks that get stomped on by combo. Control also has a hard time by applying no pressure.
Nah, Delver is a natural predator of unfair decks. Imo its a 55/45 matchup in Delver's favor due to the sheer amount of relevant interaction that deck can offer. And the Grixis variant has a much better time than other variants too due to the mini-planeswalkers hitting the GY. That said, Breach can fight through it. I just think people underestimate just how good and comfortable it is for Delver in these matchups.
I love young pyromancer + cabal therapy. I used to play it in an reanimator shell with unmasks, LEDs and unburial rights + griselbrand. In that deck you even had the fun play of therapy your own grisel. Young pyromancer + Dread return isn't half bad either. Dark ritual, some exhumes. Had burning wishes for some pretty sneaky silver bullets or surprise storm tendrils win. Wouldn't work in today's legacy but it was good enough to take to events in it's day. Delver has it beat by a mile but occasionally you'd rip the unmask T1 grisel and just instantly win through force. Or ritual, thoutseize, reanimate. Or LED into unburial rites. Young pyro was so strong you'd occasionally find yourself just reanimating him and ripping the opponent's hand apart.
Another reason why Legacy is the best format. This match was right now to the wire. and with a little bit of hindsight the game would of gone the other way. But the real feature match is coming, the Flash Hulk match I feel will have the most view, and if in the game itself doesn't go off there needs to be a side video or a segment talking about how it fully works. As Flash Hulk is one of the decks of true legendary status.
As always, amazing video. Small note: the "top of library" graphic for cards like ponder are a little confusing. For example, at 9:02 I wasn't sure which was on top because I interpreted the arrow as pointing to the top of the deck. Perhaps change it so the "top of library" text is directly over the card on top?
I'd love to see a "Through the Years" series, where you follow an archetype and all of it's changes throughout the years. I've been playing modern Goryo's Vengeance for almost a decade now and it has changed so much, but i can still make people salty with a turn 2 kill.
That was a crazy third game!! I still have no idea why we didn't get ragavan DRC and expressive iteration delver in this tournament, but grixis delver will have to do
People didn't seem to want to vote for Delver in the polls, probably because it showed up in almost every vote 😅 that's just how strong the deck is. But this is probably the most broken list (bar lurrus). Deathrite Shaman is amazing
You really showed why deathrite Shaman is banned 😅 we even have comments asking how you made a 3rd mana on turn 2 or how you dealt an extra 2 damage on the end of Jamin's turn. People don't realize DRS does EVERYTHING
Grixis Delver replacing my beloved Canadian Thresh in the Legacy meta still makes me sad, saddest moment of my MTG career was looking at my CT deck and debating whether to pack it away and switch to something else, or try to tough it out in this cruel new world. (We stuck with it. Nimble Mongoose will continue to win games whether Delver likes it or not)
Correct me if im wrong but cant you pay for the grapeshot with led since payong for the spell is done immediately after declaring to cast the spell and it wont be in hand at that point?
The voters for this series did not respect deliver nearly enough as an archetype. It's been the best deck in the format for the better part of 12 years for a reason
Jamin played well but he had a though opposition against none other than the hero of the people ... ANDREA !! Also, I am again realizing that consistency is, again, king in these matchups ... that;s the main weakness of combo decks like breach storm. Still, it was a good matchup. PS: I would like to see a match between andrea and Carl using the deck that won against ... THE SUN !
This video doesn't do breech justice, that was by far the worst Breech deck to possibly pilot. The real Breech combo was a UWR deck with Silence and Force of Will backup that formed a one card combo with Intuition. You'd cast Intuition at intant speed for the missing pieces of Underworld Breech, Lion's Eye Diamond, Brain Freeze, and Sevinne's Reclamation. With that on your opponent's turn, it then untaps and wins on the following turn by milling itself, then looping Lighting Bolt to deal lethal, no storm necessary. It could then pivot to Jeskai Mentor(a teir one aggro deck at the time) and completely ignore the graveyard. When I was playtesting my match win rate was a bit over 70%, absolutely unhinged levels powerful.
Jeskai was more of a metagame version. In a blank field, the grixis version with all its discard was MUCH stronger in the blind, which we really saw in the Swiss. I don't know if the jeskai version would have made the top8
The first ponder i think i would have played as draw tarn, brainfreeze on top. Turn 2 tutor for a lotus petal, if its countered thats okay youre drawinf preordain, if not. Turn 3 duress breach petal petal brain freeze yourself for 15, petal petal freeze repeat
The black version is much better in this field, disruption is key :) we very much saw that in the Swiss rounds leading up to the top 8, I'm not sure the jeskai list could have made it to the video rounds
Ok, next we do vintage, I guess pioneer, and then maybe a few more boutique unofficial formats. After that the next logical step is to pit all the winners against each other!
Unfortunately that would just be too many videos on the same topic. I think we reached the perfect amount of videos with 7. As soon as we do too much of the same thing, the viewers lose interest and the views tank :/
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found a card for artifact affinity its called relic ward and its really good for the deck.
It's actually wild how razor-thin the margins on these matches have been so far.
Legacy is a really fun competitive format for that reason. I play Doomsday and frequently win games with 1 life. Most of that is self inflicted, but it makes opponents feel like they were 1 attack away from winning.
That's the beauty of Legacy.
@@JohnFromAccounting In the olde times I once dealt 15 damage to myself on turn one with infernal contracts. I fizzled and passed. My opponent was super confused because he had no clue what I was playing. "So uhhh you just lost 15 life, I uhhh have 2 lightning bolts" "Oki Doki, lets go round 2".
Legacy is by far the most skill testing format, any time I go to a tournament, I either end up in a very interesting spot where someone has to find hard optimal lines, or I see someone else there by just spectating games.
I can not express how happy I am to see Mengu become such a mainstay on the channel
The more Mengu the better!
Advertising the workshop is real upstanding of ya'll. TH-cam isn't a zero sum game, love when folks work together.
At some point I thought Mengu's tcgplayer sponsorship and cardmarket wouldn't like all the cross-promotion but it's nice to see they're all just going about their business and making great content regardless :)
As the saying goes, high tides raise all ships!
@@2LettersShoMight be because they are kinda different markets. Seems like tcgplayer is mostly still a us platform while cardmarket is european. Personally I also don’t really see why I would need tcgplayer, but I have also used cardmarket for like fifteen years ow
@@Tselel For real. I love it because I have more quality shows to watch while working :D
@@2LettersShocardmarket and tcgplayer aren't direct competitors because one only works in europe and the other in the us
I voted for Grixis Delver on so many of the community posts and I am so glad to see it survived the Swiss. Such a good deck with a long lifespan in Magic. THANK YOU CARL FOR TAKING THIS CHANNEL TO NEW HEIGHTS IN THE LAST 3 YEARS
I'm really happy you are enjoying the videos :D I put so much work into them! Delver rocks! I was also thrilled to see it make the top 8
Every time I root for my favourite deck, Mengu just proves me wrong. This time I'll just bet on the player...
I rooted for Delver cuz I don't particularly enjoy combo decks, so I have no complaints lol.
Good luck when Mengu and Thoralf play
wise choice
Mengu is so good at being on the right deck he can’t even help it at this point
This is a matchup pretty heavily favored on the Grixis Delver side.
Andrea + Cardmarket = best Videos ever
Mengu: “every hand with island brainstorm gets a thumbs up from me”
BoshNRoll: “Island, Ponder, Keep”
Ponder can look at up to 4 cards against the 3 of Brainstorm, so that makes sense
@Halinn Also in this case, combo/tempo vs control mindset
@@Halinnbrainstorm can potentially give more fuel faster.
@@gnezlukc Brainstorm is an awful T1 cantrip.
Great to see Jamin! Mengu and Jamin are always fun to watch :)
Wonderful bo3, really showcased the flexibility and power of both of these decks.
Great games!
Jamin you were so close and you played well.
Andrea Mengucci, phenomenal playing and good luck!
Both of you, thank you for the amazing content. We always enjoy watching content you make!
Crazy good video, had me shaking when the delvers refused to flip. I would've liked to see more breach storm, but grixis delver is also really powerful deck that deserves to be here.
You could do this as a yearly tournament, where the winning deck is going against last year's best deck :)
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When we have done 8 of these, my plan is to have a tournament with the winner of each format:)
@@CardmarketMagicThoughts from me for new best deck ever could be pioneer, vintage and cedh maybe?, but some decks will be better than others, I would be surprised if the legacy deck didn't absolutely crush the standard deck.
@@CardmarketMagicI love trying to guess who is writing based on word choice.
@iandegiovani4703 it's almost always me (Carl). If it's someone else, they usually write their name at the end :) the others have other jobs than the youtube channel 😅
This matches are real treat: the amount of quick thinking, wits and experience from Andrea and Jamin (i didn't forget you Carl, your Lands gameplay was epic!) makes a really good match.
It's always a joy to watch Andrea play midrange decks, it's like he always can see the other players hand and can play around everything!
But I swear Jamin is the most unlucky player in the best decks ever, the top of his library is very unkind.
Delver is a tempo deck, not midrange. Midrange tries to curve out, but Delver doesn't play anything that costs more than 2.
@@JohnFromAccounting ok
In legacy I think you could consider it midrange as it doesn’t win on turn 2 or 3. It’s like legacies form of midrange control
@@jaspergray1066 well legacy has actual midrange and control decks... Format being "lightning fast is" is definitely a mischaracterization. Legacy is compressed by combos and wasteland/daze and ancient tomb but games frequently take a long time due to the counterplay dynamics
These were some amazing matches. Really fun to watch. Well played to both of you!
mengu and the cardmarket gang is some of my favorite mtg content on TH-cam. always a treat seeing this in my notis
I love the Delver deck. It's never the best, but always good enough and Andrea knows the lines so well. Truely astonishing. Jamin also pushed his deck as far as it can go : )
I love how even though these decks were designed in very different metas they still find a way to deal with each other! Because lets be honest, the real MVP was Wasteland and the fact that the top of Jamin's library can be very temperamental
Watching Mengu play is always a privilege. This channel needs more Mengu 😍
Kinda surprised Yamin didn't crack the LED in response to the preordain - feel like he had very few outs with the way he played, while if he preemptively crack the LED both grapeshot and underworld breach would just win the game on the spot.
Yeah, you're definitely right. I still feel Yamin did pretty well playing the deck. I'm glad they got Andrea playing Grixis Delver though since I feel playing Delver is harder in this matchup, especially when you have to gy interaction, therapy, counterspells and cantrips while storm, while being complicated, is more straightforward and can be trained easier I feel.
Also infernal tutor
He still WINS i think, people forget How mana is payed with moxes
@@paulinhomadaraLED's ability isn't a mana ability. You don't get the mana until after the discard.
You're right about cracking for a Breach - however for Grapshot to be lethal, I would've had to also preemptively cast Brain Freeze. Not cracking is better if I find more cantrips or the Delvers don't flip
I love seeing Andrea in this format of video and the fact its legacy which he loves to play on his channel this is a real treat
This is the outcome I expected. Combo decks have come and gone, but Delver is always here. Historically, Delver hasn't been the deck that loses out to combo, it's everything else in the format.
Also, Delver simply hasn't died in Legacy. Every ban that tries to make it weaker hasn't killed it, yet.
19:38 Jamins "poker face" when he draws the grape shot.
since half the comment section is unaware: you have to activate LED before using the mana. you can't put a spell on the stack and then use LED to pay for it
Yes this is correct 😅 haha many of the people in the comments seem to think it's black lotus
thats only half if it. wizards ruled that LED isn't a mana ability meaning you have to wait for the cost of discarding your hand to happen before adding the mana. If it wasn't like this, then you could put a spell on the stack and use LED to pay for it.
@@winstonsassman2122 you're just repeating exactly what I said but now with the wrong reasoning. LED is a mana ability since it generates mana, doesn't target, and isn't a loyalty ability. to quote the single gatherer ruling on LED: "The ability is a mana ability"
@@bobboberson8297 To also quote the rulings from gatherer: "Yes, this is a bit weird."
That's included in the actual rulings.
@@idanbhk3875 yes I already explained the implications of it being weird in my original comment. I clearly am aware of that idk what you're trying to say
I was at a game store looking through cards, thanks to this channel I decided to buy a colossal dreadmaw
That's a great purchase!
Wait is this really the first time Mengu and Jamin are playing against each other??? If yes, wow, didn't even notice!
It's actually the second time they play in general, but the first time in the Best Decl Ever series. The pairings never had them play against each other yet
@@CardmarketMagic Oh wow, I didn't know that! But based on how many videos you produce, it is still a shock these two only had two matches!! Thank you for the response btw!
Man such a close game! These Legacy veedeos have been intense.
This whole series is a blast to watch.
Im so glad that legacy is getting a spotlight thanks Cardmarket!
I hope you're enjoying the series so far :)
@@CardmarketMagic having a blast watching the series!! I'm one of the anomalies where I got into mtg relatively late in it's life and also mine, I started in 2018 when I was 29, and instantly got attracted to legacy and have delved into the formats history and still enjoy it and am fortunate to have a legacy community that plays fortnightly.
Watching all these decks is really really fun
I’ll keep saying it every episode, much love to this series! ❤️
I got a mono red EDH storm deck (Ojer Axonil). But whenever I see a Izzet storm deck, I just get confused. So much respect for people who can pilot taht deck! It's a work of math.
Jamin had a t2 win game 1 assuming ponder after fetch was the same. t1: Fetch -> ponder -> draw fetch, freeze on top. Mengu would see the same hand, with only diff being fetch in the yard. If he doesnt keep up spell pierce, then t2: Fetch -> Breach -> Petal -> Recast petal exiling ponder + 2 fetchs -> Brain freeze for 12 and win from there. Of course this is with the knowledge that mengu doesnt have any interaction in hand, but it shows how powerful and fast storm is that it can win t2 with only 1 piece of fast mana.
Andreas cards are so gorgeous
They truly are :)
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Truly some Delver gaming
"😊And we'll be able to crown one deck the best legacy deck EVER👹👹" Great video as always btw!
Does Mengu ever not flip what he needs at the last second? Crazy match!
Would you guys consider some content with limited formats sometime? I for one really enjoy videos of MTG pros explaining their thought process when making sealed decks.
We tried limited content in the past and the issue is that it tales much more editing work but has far viewer average views :/ after a few tries, we gave up. Which is unfortunate because we mostly play limited
on that last turn if Jamin cast brainfreeze in response to the delver triggers theres a chance the other two delvers do not flip.
that's a good play but he left a polluted delta on top of his deck so he would still lose the next turn
One Delver alrady flipped before. So it would just stop 1 delver from flepping. Still its correct, then only 6 dmg. in the air - and that would not kill. So Jaman woudl have 1 more turn (not sure if he had a chance to win still )
I like how you guys explain the wincons before just ending the game, I know but for non legacy players they learn and maybe join?
What a brutal beat for breach. Run this back 10 times I think it wins 8 but this was one of the times it just couldn't draw
Probably not given these two pilots. Mengu just doesn’t lose on this channel 😂
I don't agree. I think it's closer to 50/50. It has always been the Ancient Tomb decks and the green creature decks that get stomped on by combo. Control also has a hard time by applying no pressure.
game 2 was basically breach's best draw, but the therapy hitting on the breach was just too sick
Nah, Delver is a natural predator of unfair decks. Imo its a 55/45 matchup in Delver's favor due to the sheer amount of relevant interaction that deck can offer. And the Grixis variant has a much better time than other variants too due to the mini-planeswalkers hitting the GY.
That said, Breach can fight through it. I just think people underestimate just how good and comfortable it is for Delver in these matchups.
It was a missplay on the last round that gave the victory for delver
Surprised Mindbreak Trap wasn’t swapped in from the sideboard. That would smoked the storm. (Loving these legacy videos btw)
I'm so excited for miracles, know nothing about the deck but it sounds so cool for it to be broken
Come on delver you can do it.
You guys should get with LRR- North 100 and do some canadian highlander content!! You're both some of the best content creators to ever do it.
I love young pyromancer + cabal therapy.
I used to play it in an reanimator shell with unmasks, LEDs and unburial rights + griselbrand.
In that deck you even had the fun play of therapy your own grisel. Young pyromancer + Dread return isn't half bad either. Dark ritual, some exhumes. Had burning wishes for some pretty sneaky silver bullets or surprise storm tendrils win.
Wouldn't work in today's legacy but it was good enough to take to events in it's day. Delver has it beat by a mile but occasionally you'd rip the unmask T1 grisel and just instantly win through force. Or ritual, thoutseize, reanimate. Or LED into unburial rites. Young pyro was so strong you'd occasionally find yourself just reanimating him and ripping the opponent's hand apart.
Best series on TH-cam
Another reason why Legacy is the best format. This match was right now to the wire. and with a little bit of hindsight the game would of gone the other way. But the real feature match is coming, the Flash Hulk match I feel will have the most view, and if in the game itself doesn't go off there needs to be a side video or a segment talking about how it fully works. As Flash Hulk is one of the decks of true legendary status.
Fantastic match. Not quite as mind blowing as the first match of the series for me but so far I'm 2 for 2 on my predictions.
As always, amazing video. Small note: the "top of library" graphic for cards like ponder are a little confusing. For example, at 9:02 I wasn't sure which was on top because I interpreted the arrow as pointing to the top of the deck. Perhaps change it so the "top of library" text is directly over the card on top?
Love seeing Mengu and Jamin!!
Yes!!!! Go Delver Go! So many great decks in this but grixis delver will always hold a special place in my heart ❤️ ggs guys.
Mengu's luck from the top of his deck continues! What a great matchup. Legacy Best Deck Ever looking like an all-timer
People are happy about Mengu but i am honestly enjoying the glimpses of Jamin and Carl cleaning house when they aren't down to goof around.
Daaaaamn so close!! What a great match
Have yet to start, the video length tells me this was a fair fight
Mengu's top-decking skills are unparalleled
love the Avatar shirt thoralf!
The Deck on "The Play" finally got a win! I was beginning to wonder if the coin flip determined the winner in Legacy
more tough games! many strong legacy decks this tournament!
I'd love to see a "Through the Years" series, where you follow an archetype and all of it's changes throughout the years. I've been playing modern Goryo's Vengeance for almost a decade now and it has changed so much, but i can still make people salty with a turn 2 kill.
I have made a similar series :D
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So far I've done Affinity, Jund, Mono Red and UW control
Mengu needs to be on the Magic design team with that comment about how Gitaxian Probe not forcing a discard is "unfortunate" lol
Great matches, love this format.
Great game, tough beats for storm
Great games as usual! It feels weird to see Andrea playing the opposite of pauper 😂
Really? Mengucci was the Vintage and Legacy guy for Channel Fireball and mostly plays Modern on his channel.
@@joshuagriffith9191 I only started watching MTG in TH-cam about 1-2 years ago, and he's been playing mostly pauper here.
@@sh41 Awesome. Welcome, buddy.
That was a crazy third game!! I still have no idea why we didn't get ragavan DRC and expressive iteration delver in this tournament, but grixis delver will have to do
People didn't seem to want to vote for Delver in the polls, probably because it showed up in almost every vote 😅 that's just how strong the deck is. But this is probably the most broken list (bar lurrus). Deathrite Shaman is amazing
Grixix delver back in the day when it was a shell with young piezie with probe and my fav spell cabal therapy, those were the days..
And DRS ofcourse, never forget
Yes! Victory for the interactive deck!
Excellent plays here!
making preemptive decisions is one of the trickiest things about storm!
Fantastic video so happy delver won the match
I remember going "HOLY S**T" the first time i read Underworld Breach.
Uh, that cold feet play at the end, would have loved to see Jamin push through, I root for you! Btw, how´s vgc going?
Great video!
9:54 ooh whats that sound from
I don’t know if you’ll read this but can we see the yogmoth bargin and yogmoths will combo? I think it would be a fun deck to see played again.
Unfortunately, they did not make the Swiss. If it comes up one day we will :) maybe if we make a vintage tournament
Loving this!
Go Grixis Delver! Show the power of Deathrite Shaman to the world!!!
You really showed why deathrite Shaman is banned 😅 we even have comments asking how you made a 3rd mana on turn 2 or how you dealt an extra 2 damage on the end of Jamin's turn. People don't realize DRS does EVERYTHING
When will you release next video? Do we need to wait another week? can't wait to see flash hulk in action
We are releasing one a week, on every Thursday at 6pm Belrin time :) we launch the videos live with a live chat if you can make it for that time
As much as I love storm, I'm also happy to see Delver win. Gotta love 1 of the "fair" decks doing well lol.
Grixis Delver replacing my beloved Canadian Thresh in the Legacy meta still makes me sad, saddest moment of my MTG career was looking at my CT deck and debating whether to pack it away and switch to something else, or try to tough it out in this cruel new world. (We stuck with it. Nimble Mongoose will continue to win games whether Delver likes it or not)
Correct me if im wrong but cant you pay for the grapeshot with led since payong for the spell is done immediately after declaring to cast the spell and it wont be in hand at that point?
wow Legacy Is such a sick format
The voters for this series did not respect deliver nearly enough as an archetype. It's been the best deck in the format for the better part of 12 years for a reason
Bosh: Island ponder keep
Mengu: Island brainstorm keep
2 wolfs
Breach storm is going to mash everything else into thr ground. Deck was legal for 5 minutes. Maybe if deliver gets unnerfed Lurrus?
You are severely underestimating delvers ability to shut off combo decks
Breach was more a control deck that combos out of nowhere, and was largely fine vs delver
This aged poorly
Oh they played the worst breach deck I've seen
The jeskai deck was so much better
This age of delver was very good tho
Such a good match! It just goes to show you, legacy isnt all combos haha!
Jamin played well but he had a though opposition against none other than the hero of the people ... ANDREA !!
Also, I am again realizing that consistency is, again, king in these matchups ... that;s the main weakness of combo decks like breach storm.
Still, it was a good matchup.
PS: I would like to see a match between andrea and Carl using the deck that won against ... THE SUN !
I wasnt playing legacy while breach was legal but now I understand the horror stories
This video doesn't do breech justice, that was by far the worst Breech deck to possibly pilot. The real Breech combo was a UWR deck with Silence and Force of Will backup that formed a one card combo with Intuition. You'd cast Intuition at intant speed for the missing pieces of Underworld Breech, Lion's Eye Diamond, Brain Freeze, and Sevinne's Reclamation. With that on your opponent's turn, it then untaps and wins on the following turn by milling itself, then looping Lighting Bolt to deal lethal, no storm necessary. It could then pivot to Jeskai Mentor(a teir one aggro deck at the time) and completely ignore the graveyard. When I was playtesting my match win rate was a bit over 70%, absolutely unhinged levels powerful.
sad to see Jamin lose this one.. he deserved the win!
how do you select which lists to use? iirc jeskai was a lot more popular and broken in breach days, but i could be missing something for sure
Jeskai was more of a metagame version. In a blank field, the grixis version with all its discard was MUCH stronger in the blind, which we really saw in the Swiss. I don't know if the jeskai version would have made the top8
The first ponder i think i would have played as draw tarn, brainfreeze on top.
Turn 2 tutor for a lotus petal, if its countered thats okay youre drawinf preordain, if not.
Turn 3 duress breach petal petal brain freeze yourself for 15, petal petal freeze repeat
The Jeskai version of breach was the one that got it banned. Deck was insane.
The black version is much better in this field, disruption is key :) we very much saw that in the Swiss rounds leading up to the top 8, I'm not sure the jeskai list could have made it to the video rounds
Woohoo mengu!!! Delver best deck
i was biting my nails for the last match!
Yeeeeee❤ legacy baybay!!!
seeing the storm pop off was super cool! Unfortunate that the delver deck won.
Ok, next we do vintage, I guess pioneer, and then maybe a few more boutique unofficial formats. After that the next logical step is to pit all the winners against each other!
6:00 is it still a mana ability even though you can only activate as an instant? Huh. The know you more.
It's too bad we only get to see some decks a single matchup. You could consider starting with small round robins for the decks. Like in the world cup.
Unfortunately that would just be too many videos on the same topic. I think we reached the perfect amount of videos with 7. As soon as we do too much of the same thing, the viewers lose interest and the views tank :/