I am a Chinese MTG player, and within my playgroup, few people play the Pauper format. However, all Pauper players refer to the Rakdos Madness deck as "Mengu's Madness." A few months ago, Mengu showcased this deck in an episode of his MTGO Pauper Veedeo, and it quickly became popular in the Pauper community around me.
You DO have to pay madness costs before drawing the card with blood token. Discarding is a cost which seeks to put the madness trigger on the stack. Madness trigger goes on top of the card draw activated ability
But with the grab the prize, should we pay before or after the draw? Genuine question here. If I’m not mistaken, we pay after…right? Or is it the same thing with the blood token?
Cardmarket introduced me to this channel and honestly I'm surprised it doesn't have more subscribers. Keep up the great content and I'll keep up the viewing!
Looking at the decklists, I'm disappointed Tommy doesn't have Nyxborn Hydras in his deck. That's what makes Elves so decent in our current Pauper metagame right now :c Elvish Vanguard wouldn't be enough because no Trample.
I love seeing Rakdos Madness! I disagree about Lightning Bolt though, Fiery Temper is my first choice. It feels bad in many match-ups Thanks for the veedeo, it was great as always!
At my lgs when i play elves i have a 75% and more winrate against madness, once you play a 4/5 hydra all their flying creature are basically lost. Probably with a more updated decklist the match here would have been less fun
Completely agree with you, I also play elves.. Against madness and monored if they have a lot of bolts it' s not that easy.. I also play a couple of Rift sower for colored mana . It feels the same rate to me, but it's still very tight, there are some unlucky spots where elves it's very behind. Anyways , Let's beat them💪🏻!!
Hi Mengu! I' m so glad Tommy brought the tuk tuk in my favourite deck!!! Very good plays for you Mengu!! I think Tommy should shave off some fyndhorns and bring in the Hydras :)). I also run the rift sowers, I think they are Key to add coloured mana . What do you think? Very enjoyable video thanks Mengu!
9:11 The important detail of the madness ability is that it is a trigger that goes onto the stack when a relevant card is discarded into exile. It won't actually be put onto the stack until the current effect (the blood token) finishes resolving. Then you may decide to cast the exiled card. TL;DR: No, you do not need to pay the madness cost immediately Edit: so, I got this a bit backwards actually, if the discarded card is part of a cost, the trigger will go on the stack on top of the spell, if it is part of a spell's effect, it will go on the stack the next time a player has priority
Literally my two absolute favorite decks! Thanks a lot for playing those, it sure looks like you two had a lot of fun!:) @andreamengucci: You once said Vampire's Kiss is the Up The Beanstalk of Rakdos Madness. Do you think it got outclassed by Grab The Price(even though it is still played in the deck)?
9:10 I believe the blood token states that you discard a card and draw a card. Because of this you will finish the effect of the blood token discarding the kitchen imp into exile. Then after you've drawn you may decide to cast from exile or let it go to the graveyard.
Nope, paying mana, tapping the token, sacrificing it and discarding a card is the cost. Drawing a card is the effect (indicated by the text before or after ":") You pay the cost and put the ability onto the stack. Paying the cost trigger the madness trigger. We put The madness trigger onto the stack on top of the draw ability.
It still blows my mind how absolutely bizarre the Elves deck is. Your opp could have nigh on infinite mana turn like 3 and I would bet an elves deck could keep up just fine without a wrath.
I have learned so much from Mengu, taken so many deck lists, copied so much play style, but I will never accept his hatred of white borders!! #WhiteBorderGang 😅
More Pauper, more Pauper, more Pauper, more Mengu and Tommy ❤
I am a Chinese MTG player, and within my playgroup, few people play the Pauper format. However, all Pauper players refer to the Rakdos Madness deck as "Mengu's Madness." A few months ago, Mengu showcased this deck in an episode of his MTGO Pauper Veedeo, and it quickly became popular in the Pauper community around me.
Welcome!
Tommy is quickly becoming one my favourite mtg youtubers. This is the dynamic duo pauper community has needed.
It reminds me a little of SCG's Commander Versus series from many years ago, Tommy being the Danny West to Mengu's David McDarby.
You DO have to pay madness costs before drawing the card with blood token. Discarding is a cost which seeks to put the madness trigger on the stack. Madness trigger goes on top of the card draw activated ability
Yes! I correct myself later
But with the grab the prize, should we pay before or after the draw? Genuine question here. If I’m not mistaken, we pay after…right? Or is it the same thing with the blood token?
@ yes same, you need to play it first
@@joaomarcoscassiano5330 Same as a blood token because you discard for cost.
@@MengusWorkshop you got it correct in the video but you asked Chat to chime in if you were right.
Was just confirming it for you
Cardmarket introduced me to this channel and honestly I'm surprised it doesn't have more subscribers. Keep up the great content and I'll keep up the viewing!
Thanks!
Would love some of the post-gane analysis you do sometimes. It can be kept brief :)
Thank you for all the 1v1 mengucci. It's so nice to see people still doing 1v1 IRL for fun content.
2 fyndhorn elves meet at the tavern? where is the spiderman meme?
@@Jeskai we need to photoshop that asap, can’t be tommy though he has too many videos to edit with the cardmatket crew 😅
Mengu's joy at Tommy's bad luck never stops being funny.
LOL that white border BM was beautiful.
Classic Mengu bolting your creatures.
Quirion Ranger is possibly my favourite elf ever
I don't know what it is about it, but I love the way you say Sneaky Snacker at 1:35
Zneaky Znacker
Best format right now
I want to thank you both for focusing your videos on two player magic formats, and not commander BS. Mille grazie signori!
At 12:09 and 12:26, Tommy played two lands on the same turn. Judge!
Judgeeeee
its fine, its legal in paper.
Two explores
@@aureliogz6168dude! 💀💀💀
Elves, maybe the coolest Tribe? 😊 thanks for the cool content- one of the best mtg on yt😊
Looking at the decklists, I'm disappointed Tommy doesn't have Nyxborn Hydras in his deck. That's what makes Elves so decent in our current Pauper metagame right now :c Elvish Vanguard wouldn't be enough because no Trample.
I just 4 x of both of them, vanguard it's still good in my opinion
Hey Mengu and Tommy, just wanted to say that the editing on this channel is so good! Thank you for the quality content❤
I really enjoy these pauper matches. Please, bring us more pauper content Mengu!
21:16 the face of a defeated man
Perfect Tommy. The Llanowar Elves in white board hast the best art! Would love to see more white boarder lands from you!
I love seeing Rakdos Madness! I disagree about Lightning Bolt though, Fiery Temper is my first choice. It feels bad in many match-ups
Thanks for the veedeo, it was great as always!
Love your pauper videos Mengu! Great play when killing the jaspera sentinel to bait hallow:)
White bordered Llanwar Elves are the hip play, still using my 9th Edition ones :-)
i Watch card market videos to see Andrea now I can see Andrea all the time word you should have the card market guys on the channel
More Pauper and Premodern please. Thanks for the content!
Splendido video come al solito!
In questo MU, un giocatore esperto del formato mi ha suggerito di sidare fuori le Snacker
Interessante, ci sta!
Loved it. Looking forward to the videos with with the cardmarket team
Next week!
Excellent. Nice to see content that is not commander all the time. Please continue.
Every monday a non Commander video over here !
Perfect timing! I was just thinking about getting back into Pauper with Rakdos Madness.
haha 17:20 i "forgot" to attack xD.
At my lgs when i play elves i have a 75% and more winrate against madness, once you play a 4/5 hydra all their flying creature are basically lost. Probably with a more updated decklist the match here would have been less fun
Completely agree with you, I also play elves.. Against madness and monored if they have a lot of bolts it' s not that easy.. I also play a couple of Rift sower for colored mana . It feels the same rate to me, but it's still very tight, there are some unlucky spots where elves it's very behind. Anyways , Let's beat them💪🏻!!
Lets go Team Tommy!!!
Tommy and Mengu rock!
I heard you say "grab the fries" in the intro and instantly though about a new shivanart alter haha
Hi Mengu! I' m so glad Tommy brought the tuk tuk in my favourite deck!!! Very good plays for you Mengu!! I think Tommy should shave off some fyndhorns and bring in the Hydras :)). I also run the rift sowers, I think they are Key to add coloured mana . What do you think? Very enjoyable video thanks Mengu!
9:11 The important detail of the madness ability is that it is a trigger that goes onto the stack when a relevant card is discarded into exile. It won't actually be put onto the stack until the current effect (the blood token) finishes resolving. Then you may decide to cast the exiled card.
TL;DR: No, you do not need to pay the madness cost immediately
Edit: so, I got this a bit backwards actually, if the discarded card is part of a cost, the trigger will go on the stack on top of the spell, if it is part of a spell's effect, it will go on the stack the next time a player has priority
Amazing video. I love watching pauper
love y'alls channel so much!!!
12:00 Tommy played two lands in that turn.
two explores
Literally my two absolute favorite decks! Thanks a lot for playing those, it sure looks like you two had a lot of fun!:)
@andreamengucci:
You once said Vampire's Kiss is the Up The Beanstalk of Rakdos Madness. Do you think it got outclassed by Grab The Price(even though it is still played in the deck)?
Same good
Again, best pauper content!
Great video as usual Mengu how you’re doing well I’m excited to see the paper vintage videos that you announced with cardmarket
Cardtrader needs to up their game, they are basically unknown
Next week!
When I was a kid Hallow was the strongest card in my lifegain deck too!
Gotta throw a big eldrazi in the elf deck 😎
9:10
I believe the blood token states that you discard a card and draw a card. Because of this you will finish the effect of the blood token discarding the kitchen imp into exile. Then after you've drawn you may decide to cast from exile or let it go to the graveyard.
Nope, paying mana, tapping the token, sacrificing it and discarding a card is the cost. Drawing a card is the effect (indicated by the text before or after ":")
You pay the cost and put the ability onto the stack. Paying the cost trigger the madness trigger. We put The madness trigger onto the stack on top of the draw ability.
More dope content, thanks for your Work. Danke und Grazie
will you ever do a sealed with the boxes behind you? a unstable saddle could be really funny!
can't believe llanowar elves are standard legal again 😮
we love pauper thank you for the content
Would using the second mode on "meet in a tavern" and then swinging out have won the game on game 1?
WE LOVE PAUPER!❤
It still blows my mind how absolutely bizarre the Elves deck is. Your opp could have nigh on infinite mana turn like 3 and I would bet an elves deck could keep up just fine without a wrath.
Why did he meet in the tavern and not start a brawl?
Amo Tommy è un cazzone, in senso buono mi mette di buon umore ♥️.
why not using the hydra or the avenging hunter on the elves? just want to know your opinion
Hello everyone, and welcome to a new pauper veedeo
Elvish vanguard, meet in a tavern? How old is the elves list?
Love pauper
We go mad for pauper!!
More madness please!!!
I love the possibiliy to put the volume on 0 the bad thing is we can't put the volume of my neighbours on 0
Rakdos Madness is the goat
Ma quindi Tommy non gioca la versione con Nyxborn Hydra? Mi sembrava molto forte da quanto ho visto
Si forse avrebbe dovuto giocar quella
tommy is so cool!
I have learned so much from Mengu, taken so many deck lists, copied so much play style, but I will never accept his hatred of white borders!! #WhiteBorderGang 😅
Tommi dont ler Mengu bully out of using whire bordered cards😂
Can Tommy just float white mana on game 3? And prevent the festivities ? Correct me if I’m wrong
Mengu would just go to main phase 2, so Tommy loses the white mana
Quirion Ranger feels like cheating. Yes, I will untap my Priest of Titania. Yes, I will untap my Timberwatch Elf.
"Hehe" 😂
face is the place baby
Per Tommy, puoi condividere la lista per un tuo omonimo?
è in descrizione
@ pensa che scemo che sono
Play more premodern please!
Elves won’t stand a chance I’m predicting
The ping-lands are so underrated! I use the Boros ones with Skyfisher, and the damage really adds up. Here, they also helped bring Tommi to exactly 0.
Tommy is getting too powerful
lol mengu started up a game in overlay
"can the most stupid, overtuned and overloved, treated as a pet creature type, survive the magic powercreep?"
How to guarantee a win against Mengu: play only white-border cards
top
yall spoiled game 1 by having the little dot next to the life totals filled in the whole time 😭
Bolt you. Win. ❤
1st
2nd