I'm not 100%, but I believe it has something to do with the wave-like motion of the wobble, and as you go faster, the bumps on the ground keep adding energy and amplitude to the wave until the back-forth swing is so violent it throws you off the board. it also has to do with us trying to adjust the wobble, like the balance meter in Tony Hawk games, when you go way too far to one side, your instinct is to counter that by going the opposite, but you're supposed to go just a tiny bit- but as we get worried about the wobble, we put a lot of force into pressing down the other side and go too far, now we have to reverse the wobble and go back, but because we're so worried, we do it so rapidly with a lot of force, it just makes the wobble worse. if you played THPS games, you would've probably tried to save a manual or grind when it tipped over to one side by mashing down the opposite direction button only to have the meter swing rapidly and throw you off.
So then, theoretically, I should just look down when I'm having speed wobbles as to collapse the wave function into a single state and become stable again
I talked to my friend who does longboard downhill . . . it's Self-Exciting Oscillation generally speed gets a point where it triggers into the natural oscillation of your trucks and the trucks try to return to their natural (neutral) position, continually increasing the amplitude / wobble. Once can adjust it via more stable skateboard (trucks, bushings wheels, wheel base, wheel size / durometer), but even then you still get it. The general problem is the skater can't handle or over adjusts and they get thrown off. Experience teaches you to ride it out (lower center of gravity, body and limb positioning, and also doing speed checks / carves / different types of slides to control speed.
I got my very first board from KayBee. It was a Nash Tuf-Top. It was the upgrade board from the plastic banana. Wood and grip tape was the upgrade. Although looking back, it wasn’t even really grip tape. It was sprayed on aluminum oxide grit grip. I didn’t care. It had a tail and looked “rea”l at the time. I had nothing else to go by til I saw an ad in the back of BMX Action for Santa Cruz boards. I thought they were all the size of the Nash til I saw one in person a couple months later. Then the Nash trucks wouldn’t fit a real deck and that brought a new problem. Roller skate wheels fit though. That was an upgrade from the Nash wheels. Urethane Roller Skate Wheels!
I think the Ollie on vert has no individual inventor, it just happens.. I know my first air on vert was an accidental backside 'ollie'.. just popping off the coping
It's Mullen. To me, an Ollie is the man-made process of putting air beneath all four wheels of a board simultaneously, using just your feet, regardless of surface or speed. Mullen broke this down into the simplest of formulae and give it to the world for free. As a result, a whole fucking culture was born from it. Until then, Skateboarding was just a sport. The guy is an absolute legend, and many people worldwide owe him a shit ton of both thanks and money. Including me.
I concur. The move was in "prototype form" until Rodney perfected it. You know there were people who invented flying long before the Wright bros., but the Wrights were the first to sustain flight for more than a few hundred feet, so they get the credit. Clément Ader flew for about 160- feet, traveling at about 14 miles per hour. And there were dozens of others with similar feats. But, the Wright brothers made it very clear and stood out...so they get the official credit, the rest were experimenting and had precursors of sustained flight.
The ollie was the progression of sliding your tail while going up a school bench. To me, the oillie meant doing the motion of going up the bench and then getting up and out front of it so you can have a more controlled landing. In 77 I would also slide the tail while going to hangup on curbs. I would bust up those Bennet Pro baseplates all the time. The no comply probably was invented by hundreds of kids tooling around with their boards while they were sitting down somewhere. I think when you have so many people progressing together, it can be even harder to know who invented what.
We'll see! If I get some more exposure and attention, I might be able to start doing interviews with some of these guys, which would be great. At this point, any time I try to reach out, I just get ignored. But you never know what the future will hold.
nice video, but you missed out NATAS & gonz! no others have done as much for the OLLIE, and modern STREET-SKATING!! they took it to the street and used it to get on walls, benchs and other stuff, history was made and nothing was safe...EVEN HANDRAILS!!!
Keep going,Skateboarding scene is like all things these days,so of course you ll get ignored..Industries run the game as they have the means and the fame to publish,although the youtube thing(that i am not exactly sure if its for good or for bad) gave them a good hit in that..
will you do a video about hospital/casper flips? growing up, i always knew a hospital flip as a casper flip, and from what i've seen, almost every skater over 25 will say the same. i'm trying to figure out when the term hospital flip was adopted and that back foot distinction was made.
I'm planning on it. I still have some more research to do. They were invented at pretty much the same time. I think Masahiro Fujii was the first guy to do hospital flips, but I haven't seen a good reference for where the name came from. I'm 28 and I knew about both names growing up.
Hospital flip is a term made up for the tony hawk games, Rodney invented Casper flips in the late 80s and I think the first one on film is in questionable from plan b where Rodney does double kickflip Casper flip. Think about it, he's been doing Casper stalls since the early 80s the next step was Casper flips. In reality There is no such thing as a hospital flip. They're all Casper flips.
In 1931, while filming "Pack Up Your Troubles", Stanley Laurel noticed his rotund friend Oliver Hardy slip on a mover's skateboard, step back causing the front of the board to rise, then jump up as a reflex not to fall backwards. The bubblegum Stanley had left on the board apparently caused the board to stick to Oliver's shoes during this jump. He instinctively called out "Ollie !", and the rest is history.
Regardless of who "invented" it, it was only a matter of time before the move was discovered as it's a necessary component for skating pools/ramps and keeping continuous flow.
It's a lot easier to pop an ollie off-ramp when have all that momentum... As compared to on flat ground... In my opinion, the credit goes to Rodney Mullen!
I was a skateboarder from those times but didn't live in California. My friends and I learned our tricks on home built ramps and half pipes. We had to pick up tricks by reading skateboarder magazine. Alan's introduction of the Ollie was definitely the first we had seen or heard of it, but we did master it quickly.
First, this is so wrong on so many levels. Alan was credited with the OLLie, but he was actually doing them way before he got credited with them. If memory serves me well, he was doing them in the first 6 months of Skateboard USA, but in the "under bowl" before he did them on the vert wall. So he started doing them in early 1977, before being credited with the move in 1978.
Harry kallet did the invert canyon jump, frontside 540 canyon jump, footplant canyon jump in the small opening of the marina del Rey pool beside the turning point ramp
If I ever find some interviews about it and learn enough to make a proper video, I will. But here are my thoughts off the top of my head: Back in the day, you could do shove its in a line. Not even popped. You could do a shove it, then a bigspin, then a fakie 360 shove it, and it was cool. And if you ever did a trick where the board landed backward, it was no big deal because you could just do a shove it to turn your board back and keep going. In time, things changed. Every trick in a line had to be a hammer. So if you did a varial flip, you would HAVE TO do a hardflip, inward heel or varial heel too. Shove its just weren't hard enough to be cool. So 180 spinning tricks were falling out of favor. On top of that, varial flips are just an easier version of a 360 flip. People weren't doing laser flips and 360 hardflips that much yet, so the 180 versions of those weren't as 'uncool'. I hope that helps. Again, I'll make a full video if I run into any good info on it, but that's how I think it went down.
I started doing this one trick on a pryramid. Barely land it most of the time but it’s like a hospital flip backside 360. Does that have a name already?
There is a very good possibility that the " Ollie " came from Allen Gelfand watching a friend of mine doing it in the mogal at Rainbow Wave in Tampa in the late 70s. I personally watched Alan watch me friend from the half pipe drop in near the mogal. It wasnt a casual glance ... he was studying the steps to pull it off. He and Mike McGill used to skate there for the bowl and the half pipe when there where in Florida. This was before they were well know either before or maybe at the very first talks of being hooked up with powell and peralta. I know it.. my friend Kenny knows it but we could care less. Alan made it his and did a world of good for skateboarding.
I skated with Alan Gelfand at Skateboard USA-Hollywood, Florida. He was the absolutely the first person who was doing this, and his Ollie Hop was insane for the time. Alva invented the front side air. I also skated with Rodney Mullen at Sensation Basin-Gainesville FL in 1978, and he did not ride bowls very much. He was a "freestyle" skater. We call that street skating now. I always personally thought it was a vertical-bowl move and laugh at people doing on a sidewalk.
Funny, 'cause I just bought an Alan Gelfand reissue deck for a really good deal. I really can't dig a skater with the ego to boastfully take the credit for someone else's trick, or any trick really. If I'd known about this I don't know if I would've bought the deck, i'll probably just sticker over the graphic.
+David Russell Yeah it's pretty lame. I watched a few interviews with him over the years and he very clearly talks about how he invented it. He knew what he was doing.
Tatum is right! In a year or two later Tony Hawk would have been doing ollie's since he was already doing them to grab on vert! I read that book History of the Ollie and a lot of the details are interesting. The main problem is the author is a total Homer. Some may think every major trick was invented in Hollywood Florida. If you grew up in Southern Ca. You know the truth. All in all I suggest the book. For me skating since the 70's the book has killer photos. Also I really liked getting a history more so of the Florida skate scene. If you want to get another cool book from early on pick the book, "Push, Carve, Grind!" Well written and I came away with a clear picture of the Florida skate scene in the 70'&80's. It's a short read but doesn't come across as a Homer.
If he hates attention so much why is he writing articles and appearing in books? And he was so offended he never did it again? The Hobie skateboard team was hopping up curbs, not ollieing really but just sort of pressing the tail and pressing the nose with some speed, in 1964. On vert and banks, little thrusty ollies just kind of happen. It seems like Gelfand was the first to get real air. Steve Rocco was doing 'pop' shove its over broom handles before Rodney invented flat ground ollies. Rodney was the first to really pop the tail and slide his front foot up the board and get real air on his flat ground ollies. That's the story as far as I'm concerned.
nice content with good argumentation. a little tip that you can use in future videos, a documentary called "VIDA SOBRE RODAS" (portuguese title, i´m from brazil). you can find this documentary here in youtube. this movie tells the beginning of brazillian skate (bob burnquist, sandro dias, lincoln ueda and others), it´s like the movie BONES BRIGADE, (i think VIDA SOBRE RODAS came first)
Rad Rat Video right but what is implied is some conspiracy, many tricks the inventor or first make are unknown. No one knew in the late 70's how big the Ollie would become to skateboarding
Usually the first person to land a trick that nobody seen in a competition gets to claim it and even name the trick..are used to skateboard as a kid and occasionally would pop and Ali on my Nash skateboard up a curb not an actual Ali but sometimes close if not maybe accidentally that doesn't make me the inventor of it
This is great! I knew about the JT air but not the other (I like to binge on "Love Letters to Skateboarding" quite often). Also, that book seems like something worth reading. Also, have you seen the skateboard backflip out of the swing? It's from an old skate mag and I've always wondered how it happened. Apparently there's footage somewhere. th-cam.com/video/5zQoTJ_krRg/w-d-xo.html
No, I never saw that before! That was crazy. It doesn't look fake... But I don't know how it could be possible either. If you find anything out, let me know!
Rad Rat Video - I sent a few emails to companies and mags asking for any tips on how he did that, but only heard a "we'll let you know if we find anything out" response.
Doesnt surprise me, especially if you werent in vids/mags back then... those in the spotlight got the cred. I was doing hardflips in 1987 and called my trick the Ollie North because the board literally flipped 180 vertically like the North arrow and i knew who Col North was because if the Iran-Contra affair. Of course, now, we all know what both of these tricks are because of who did them first in vids/mags.
Jeff and others were doing them in the neighborhood. Alan was doing his at a place call "Skateboard U.S.A." in Hollywood (right along I-95). Lots more people watching/filming at the skatepark before it closed down. The boys headed to "the Hollywood Ramp" (as non Hollywood, Fl. guys called it) and were doing them all over the place. Rock n' Rolls were pretty avant guard at the time as well on that wooden ramp. Still remember the day when the G&S team (& others) came by and gave us all a flavor of the California styles.
Even Rodney Mullen thinks he invented the ollie! I heard him talk about it in interviews! I especially like the interview to where he broke it down play by play of How he Invented it!
Like l said before I think Alane invented the 'OILLE' 😛🏂,because you can see it and maybe even curb jumping began back then ,but Mullen change it to what is being used out in the Streets now 😮🏂.if you would go to a court of Law Alan would get the credit 🏂 🤟😛.but you would have to give credit a lot of, is to the guy that invented the game SKATE (in-2003)🤗🤗.
I call bullshit on Jeff duerr doing flat ground Ollie up curbs in 78, he did them but couldn't figure out how to get any real height???? Ummm that's not how that works. Your either getting the height or you aren't and if you do them enough you'll learn how to really snap them. On vert maybe he did do them first but once again, he didn't like media attention??? So he just stopped doing them???? That sounds like someone who just gave up way to easy but it also sounds like someone who was full of crap.
can't sleep, random idea: you should do a little video on the physics behind speed wobbles and why they happen.
Good idea! I'll write that down and see what I can do.
I'm not 100%, but I believe it has something to do with the wave-like motion of the wobble, and as you go faster, the bumps on the ground keep adding energy and amplitude to the wave until the back-forth swing is so violent it throws you off the board. it also has to do with us trying to adjust the wobble, like the balance meter in Tony Hawk games, when you go way too far to one side, your instinct is to counter that by going the opposite, but you're supposed to go just a tiny bit- but as we get worried about the wobble, we put a lot of force into pressing down the other side and go too far, now we have to reverse the wobble and go back, but because we're so worried, we do it so rapidly with a lot of force, it just makes the wobble worse. if you played THPS games, you would've probably tried to save a manual or grind when it tipped over to one side by mashing down the opposite direction button only to have the meter swing rapidly and throw you off.
So then, theoretically, I should just look down when I'm having speed wobbles as to collapse the wave function into a single state and become stable again
VLSkate and lowering your center of gravity.
I talked to my friend who does longboard downhill . . . it's Self-Exciting Oscillation generally speed gets a point where it triggers into the natural oscillation of your trucks
and the trucks try to return to their natural (neutral) position, continually increasing the amplitude / wobble.
Once can adjust it via more stable skateboard (trucks, bushings wheels, wheel base, wheel size / durometer), but even then you still get it. The general problem is the skater can't handle or over adjusts and they get thrown off. Experience teaches you to ride it out (lower center of gravity, body and limb positioning, and also doing speed checks / carves / different types of slides to control speed.
It's kinda crazy to me that there was ever a point in skateboarding when the Ollie wasn't just inherent.
there was a time.
Right. I remember that being the ONLY trick here in Gallup NM for about 6 months. Til a VHS tape from Cali opened us up to “Real” skating in ‘84-85
I got my very first board from KayBee. It was a Nash Tuf-Top. It was the upgrade board from the plastic banana. Wood and grip tape was the upgrade. Although looking back, it wasn’t even really grip tape. It was sprayed on aluminum oxide grit grip. I didn’t care. It had a tail and looked “rea”l at the time. I had nothing else to go by til I saw an ad in the back of BMX Action for Santa Cruz boards. I thought they were all the size of the Nash til I saw one in person a couple months later. Then the Nash trucks wouldn’t fit a real deck and that brought a new problem. Roller skate wheels fit though. That was an upgrade from the Nash wheels. Urethane Roller Skate Wheels!
I think the Ollie on vert has no individual inventor, it just happens.. I know my first air on vert was an accidental backside 'ollie'.. just popping off the coping
but did you land it?
It's Mullen. To me, an Ollie is the man-made process of putting air beneath all four wheels of a board simultaneously, using just your feet, regardless of surface or speed. Mullen broke this down into the simplest of formulae and give it to the world for free. As a result, a whole fucking culture was born from it. Until then, Skateboarding was just a sport. The guy is an absolute legend, and many people worldwide owe him a shit ton of both thanks and money. Including me.
I concur. The move was in "prototype form" until Rodney perfected it. You know there were people who invented flying long before the Wright bros., but the Wrights were the first to sustain flight for more than a few hundred feet, so they get the credit. Clément Ader flew for about 160- feet, traveling at about 14 miles per hour. And there were dozens of others with similar feats. But, the Wright brothers made it very clear and stood out...so they get the official credit, the rest were experimenting and had precursors of sustained flight.
Florida's Alan Gelfand originator of the Ollie air.. Hi, I'm Troy McClure you may remember me from other skate documentaries such as...
Hahaha ding ding, you win this one
The ollie was the progression of sliding your tail while going up a school bench. To me, the oillie meant doing the motion of going up the bench and then getting up and out front of it so you can have a more controlled landing. In 77 I would also slide the tail while going to hangup on curbs. I would bust up those Bennet Pro baseplates all the time. The no comply probably was invented by hundreds of kids tooling around with their boards while they were sitting down somewhere. I think when you have so many people progressing together, it can be even harder to know who invented what.
Just found this channel man love it! I used to watch your old trick tips back in the day it's nice to see your still making videos
+Billy Hanning thanks dude! I'm glad you found my new stuff
I invented the ankle leash on my surfboard. I was made fun of.
leashes are for kooks.
I'd like to think that in the years to come, you'll be the go to skateboard historian.
We'll see! If I get some more exposure and attention, I might be able to start doing interviews with some of these guys, which would be great. At this point, any time I try to reach out, I just get ignored. But you never know what the future will hold.
Interviews would be awesome to watch! Hope it happens :)
nice video, but you missed out NATAS & gonz! no others have done as much for the OLLIE, and modern STREET-SKATING!! they took it to the street and used it to get on walls, benchs and other stuff, history was made and nothing was safe...EVEN HANDRAILS!!!
Keep going,Skateboarding scene is like all things these days,so of course you ll get ignored..Industries run the game as they have the means and the fame to publish,although the youtube thing(that i am not exactly sure if its for good or for bad) gave them a good hit in that..
Jeff Duerr was a super quiet guy then, probably is now as well. Im pretty sure he wouldn't care.
will you do a video about hospital/casper flips? growing up, i always knew a hospital flip as a casper flip, and from what i've seen, almost every skater over 25 will say the same. i'm trying to figure out when the term hospital flip was adopted and that back foot distinction was made.
I'm planning on it. I still have some more research to do. They were invented at pretty much the same time. I think Masahiro Fujii was the first guy to do hospital flips, but I haven't seen a good reference for where the name came from. I'm 28 and I knew about both names growing up.
hospital flip uses front foot and casper uss back foot
Hospital flip is a term made up for the tony hawk games, Rodney invented Casper flips in the late 80s and I think the first one on film is in questionable from plan b where Rodney does double kickflip Casper flip. Think about it, he's been doing Casper stalls since the early 80s the next step was Casper flips. In reality There is no such thing as a hospital flip. They're all Casper flips.
In 1931, while filming "Pack Up Your Troubles", Stanley Laurel noticed his rotund friend Oliver Hardy slip on a mover's skateboard, step back causing the front of the board to rise, then jump up as a reflex not to fall backwards. The bubblegum Stanley had left on the board apparently caused the board to stick to Oliver's shoes during this jump. He instinctively called out "Ollie !", and the rest is history.
I call BS
Yep! @OhamaRiverDonkey! Its on YT and I took a look! You've been had you snake oil merchant! Pack up your silver coated Lies!
Regardless of who "invented" it, it was only a matter of time before the move was discovered as it's a necessary component for skating pools/ramps and keeping continuous flow.
It's a lot easier to pop an ollie off-ramp when have all that momentum... As compared to on flat ground...
In my opinion, the credit goes to Rodney Mullen!
man alan is the man
like the skateboard history/ trick history, cool channel
Thank you!
1:22 Was that narrator Troy McClure?
Phil Hartman at 1:22!!
1:20 Troy Mcclure
I was a skateboarder from those times but didn't live in California. My friends and I learned our tricks on home built ramps and half pipes. We had to pick up tricks by reading skateboarder magazine. Alan's introduction of the Ollie was definitely the first we had seen or heard of it, but we did master it quickly.
First, this is so wrong on so many levels. Alan was credited with the OLLie, but he was actually doing them way before he got credited with them. If memory serves me well, he was doing them in the first 6 months of Skateboard USA, but in the "under bowl" before he did them on the vert wall. So he started doing them in early 1977, before being credited with the move in 1978.
Harry kallet did the invert canyon jump, frontside 540 canyon jump, footplant canyon jump in the small opening of the marina del Rey pool beside the turning point ramp
pls pls pls do one on the history of the varial flip and why so many ppl hated on it! I NEED TO KNOW!!!
If I ever find some interviews about it and learn enough to make a proper video, I will. But here are my thoughts off the top of my head:
Back in the day, you could do shove its in a line. Not even popped. You could do a shove it, then a bigspin, then a fakie 360 shove it, and it was cool. And if you ever did a trick where the board landed backward, it was no big deal because you could just do a shove it to turn your board back and keep going. In time, things changed. Every trick in a line had to be a hammer. So if you did a varial flip, you would HAVE TO do a hardflip, inward heel or varial heel too. Shove its just weren't hard enough to be cool. So 180 spinning tricks were falling out of favor.
On top of that, varial flips are just an easier version of a 360 flip. People weren't doing laser flips and 360 hardflips that much yet, so the 180 versions of those weren't as 'uncool'.
I hope that helps. Again, I'll make a full video if I run into any good info on it, but that's how I think it went down.
I really hope you've seen the Amazing Richie Jackson Skateboard Show episode about the varial flip.
Good tip!
More top notch content, great stuff Aron! The subs will keep coming in like your old channel pretty soon. Keep it up!
Thanks! I hope you're right. I love your username.
1:23 that is definitely Troy McClure
I started doing this one trick on a pryramid. Barely land it most of the time but it’s like a hospital flip backside 360. Does that have a name already?
1:22 Was that Troy McClure? (RIP P.H.)
That's him alright. He was also a commercial artist who created some legendary 70s album covers.
I did a 360 ollie to fakie in a 1/4 pipe. Is that a JT air, but 360?
Gave a shoutout to you and this video in my ollie breakdown that I just published. So much great info here
No I sk8ted with Allen he started to learn it on the slop. He took it to the vert wall in Hollywood Florida. Skateboard USA. He was 12 years old.
gunner Hugo was doing air in pools, first, history is always jaded.
Woah! I never stopped and thought about this, just always assumed "Rodney Mullen". As is my custom, I assume Rodney invented tons flat ground tricks.
Usually you're right! The dude was head and shoulders above everyone else, but there was tons of other talent around at the time too.
Was that Phil Hartman saying the "originator of the ollie air"? It sounded like him.
Once I have them down I’ll get someone to record it.
In my elementary school i always took out a skateboarding book from the library; credited Alan with the ollie and didn’t even mention Mullen
There is a very good possibility that the " Ollie " came from Allen Gelfand watching a friend of mine doing it in the mogal at Rainbow Wave in Tampa in the late 70s. I personally watched Alan watch me friend from the half pipe drop in near the mogal. It wasnt a casual glance ... he was studying the steps to pull it off. He and Mike McGill used to skate there for the bowl and the half pipe when there where in Florida. This was before they were well know either before or maybe at the very first talks of being hooked up with powell and peralta. I know it.. my friend Kenny knows it but we could care less. Alan made it his and did a world of good for skateboarding.
Pulling a little bit of air off of a ramp or in a pool is a way different story then an Ollie on flatland!!!!
Picasso vs Braque. Picasso is a household name, but both have equal ownership of cubism. Braque gets a universal "who?"
Phil Hartmen with the narration of Skateboard Madness.
Wasn't Tony Alva the first to do a legit FS Air?
Yes, but that involves grabbing your board.
Can you do the history of Casper?
I skated with Alan Gelfand at Skateboard USA-Hollywood, Florida. He was the absolutely the first person who was doing this, and his Ollie Hop was insane for the time. Alva invented the front side air. I also skated with Rodney Mullen at Sensation Basin-Gainesville FL in 1978, and he did not ride bowls very much. He was a "freestyle" skater. We call that street skating now. I always personally thought it was a vertical-bowl move and laugh at people doing on a sidewalk.
According to Craig B. Snyder and other contemporaries, he wasn't.
Wow, I had always thought Sacha Baron Cohen invented it, but spelled it "Ali". Gee, do I ever have egg on my face.
phenomenal video
Funny, 'cause I just bought an Alan Gelfand reissue deck for a really good deal. I really can't dig a skater with the ego to boastfully take the credit for someone else's trick, or any trick really. If I'd known about this I don't know if I would've bought the deck, i'll probably just sticker over the graphic.
+David Russell Yeah it's pretty lame. I watched a few interviews with him over the years and he very clearly talks about how he invented it. He knew what he was doing.
It’s a good deck for bowls tho. (Wide, Long wheelbase, short nose, and concave) you can get the bones deck, same shape but different guys pro model.
Tatum is right! In a year or two later Tony Hawk would have been doing ollie's since he was already doing them to grab on vert!
I read that book History of the Ollie and a lot of the details are interesting. The main problem is the author is a total Homer. Some may think every major trick was invented in Hollywood Florida. If you grew up in Southern Ca. You know the truth. All in all I suggest the book. For me skating since the 70's the book has killer photos. Also I really liked getting a history more so of the Florida skate scene.
If you want to get another cool book from early on pick the book, "Push, Carve, Grind!" Well written and I came away with a clear picture of the Florida skate scene in the 70'&80's. It's a short read but doesn't come across as a Homer.
You know the magic flip as the kickflip. If Ollie was named something else it might change names in 40 years as so many tricks have.
If he hates attention so much why is he writing articles and appearing in books? And he was so offended he never did it again?
The Hobie skateboard team was hopping up curbs, not ollieing really but just sort of pressing the tail and pressing the nose with some speed, in 1964. On vert and banks, little thrusty ollies just kind of happen. It seems like Gelfand was the first to get real air. Steve Rocco was doing 'pop' shove its over broom handles before Rodney invented flat ground ollies. Rodney was the first to really pop the tail and slide his front foot up the board and get real air on his flat ground ollies. That's the story as far as I'm concerned.
nice content with good argumentation.
a little tip that you can use in future videos, a documentary called "VIDA SOBRE RODAS" (portuguese title, i´m from brazil). you can find this documentary here in youtube. this movie tells the beginning of brazillian skate (bob burnquist, sandro dias, lincoln ueda and others), it´s like the movie BONES BRIGADE, (i think VIDA SOBRE RODAS came first)
Great! Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.
I feel the first guy to actually do it owns it no matter how ugly.
he didnt steal the ollie jeff showed alan the ollie when he did it on the snake run, alan is known for doing the first ollie on vert
Great stuff !
For sure though, who ever does it best is a legend.
Gotta pop tail to call it an Ollie. Tatum doesn't pop, Gelfand does.
You can't steal a trick you just do them. Not possible for gelfand to deceive the skate world, everyone was watching
+Hosoi Archives they weren't watching until he was famous for inventing it
Rad Rat Video right but what is implied is some conspiracy, many tricks the inventor or first make are unknown. No one knew in the late 70's how big the Ollie would become to skateboarding
Actually jay Adams did the first variation of an Ollie in Del Mar 1975
It'd be so weird if we were calling them duerrs instead of ollies.
Good content here
Usually the first person to land a trick that nobody seen in a competition gets to claim it and even name the trick..are used to skateboard as a kid and occasionally would pop and Ali on my Nash skateboard up a curb not an actual Ali but sometimes close if not maybe accidentally that doesn't make me the inventor of it
This is great! I knew about the JT air but not the other (I like to binge on "Love Letters to Skateboarding" quite often). Also, that book seems like something worth reading. Also, have you seen the skateboard backflip out of the swing? It's from an old skate mag and I've always wondered how it happened. Apparently there's footage somewhere. th-cam.com/video/5zQoTJ_krRg/w-d-xo.html
No, I never saw that before! That was crazy. It doesn't look fake... But I don't know how it could be possible either. If you find anything out, let me know!
Rad Rat Video - I sent a few emails to companies and mags asking for any tips on how he did that, but only heard a "we'll let you know if we find anything out" response.
Doesnt surprise me, especially if you werent in vids/mags back then... those in the spotlight got the cred. I was doing hardflips in 1987 and called my trick the Ollie North because the board literally flipped 180 vertically like the North arrow and i knew who Col North was because if the Iran-Contra affair. Of course, now, we all know what both of these tricks are because of who did them first in vids/mags.
Jeff and others were doing them in the neighborhood. Alan was doing his at a place call "Skateboard U.S.A." in Hollywood (right along I-95). Lots more people watching/filming at the skatepark before it closed down. The boys headed to "the Hollywood Ramp" (as non Hollywood, Fl. guys called it) and were doing them all over the place. Rock n' Rolls were pretty avant guard at the time as well on that wooden ramp. Still remember the day when the G&S team (& others) came by and gave us all a flavor of the California styles.
now alan runs a vw repair shop that leaves A LOT to be desired. dummy never made it out of hollywood, FL ...kind of sad really
So... we should be calling ollies Due Airs from now on?
jeff tatem did backside ollies before gelfend
is that Troy McClure narrating that movie?
It actually is Phil Hartman (voice of Troy Mclure).
Jeff Duer inventor of the Ollie… period.
Even Rodney Mullen thinks he invented the ollie!
I heard him talk about it in interviews!
I especially like the interview to where he broke it down play by play of How he Invented it!
Rodney did, though.
Ollie Anthem!
Yeah, Jeff Tatum way ahead of the crowd...
I think it was Jesus who did the first Ollie and we are still waiting for him to land it.
Pretty sure Ollies were invented by some bloke called Ollie, otherwise why the fuck call it an “Ollie”?
I think it's very important to know who did it. I mean, now we have to rename the trick. 😂😂 jk. But yeah, it's history.
Like l said before I think Alane invented the 'OILLE' 😛🏂,because you can see it and maybe even curb jumping began back then ,but Mullen change it to what is being used out in the Streets now 😮🏂.if you would go to a court of Law Alan would get the credit 🏂 🤟😛.but you would have to give credit a lot of, is to the guy that invented the game SKATE (in-2003)🤗🤗.
Oh okay, so offended he stopped doing the trick forever 😂
I call bullshit on Jeff duerr doing flat ground Ollie up curbs in 78, he did them but couldn't figure out how to get any real height???? Ummm that's not how that works. Your either getting the height or you aren't and if you do them enough you'll learn how to really snap them. On vert maybe he did do them first but once again, he didn't like media attention??? So he just stopped doing them???? That sounds like someone who just gave up way to easy but it also sounds like someone who was full of crap.
the victors write the history ... so ...
Jeff Tatum was doing it first.
was backside
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so alan did first frontside one
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do you have a link to the video of your girlfriend? ...oh wait, that's right... 🥴
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I was lucky to have Stacy Peralta find me he called me the first person he ever saw do it .Thank you for calling me a thief. Ollie G
What'd you search yourself?
this book is a bunch of false word salad 😂Gelfand did the legit ollie first.
We all know u dont skate. So why make videos about it
He sure does and he was pretty good back in the day too.
my vote still goes to Tatum.