Agreed, I'm an Arrma guy but 8s stock vs stock... X-Maxx looks more fun and wild, lighter and more durable. You have to add the M2C shorter chassis and more power to have X-Maxx fun... And that's some $$$.... Even then would be a close call to which one is better. Now Arrma owns 1/8 scale.... But for 8s even I would take the Xmaxx Great video bud You got a sub from me🎯👍
Saw both of these in person for the first time today... mother of god, they are both MASSIVE. Just the size of the shocks alone on these things is mental.
@@Jaguar-s7f LMFAO yes I suppose dummies could be hurting people in parks and places where there are general population in close vicinity. Definitely agree that these RC's should not be ran by newbies or assholes lol!
I just bought the X-maxx a week ago best RC in my book hands down. Got that Mamba Green colour. Traxxas fan boys in South Africa. It's really worth the huge cost.
As a Canadian that understands metric and imperial measurements i can appreciate the ability to convert like you did and i seen a video of an xmax with paddle tires playing in the snow and they rip im not a traxxas fan but the x max i would get just for bashing
I just ordered the red x maxx online last nite, because all hobby shops by me are closed down here in jersey. Haven’t done any rc stuff in 25 yrs 😆, had like 3 huge rc gas boats, but got rid of them because of noise complaints
You are gonna love it. Lipos are soooo much better than nitro in every way. Nitro was the worst thing about rc modelling for me, hated everything about it. Plus you had to deal with so many damn batteries anyway. Welcome back to the new wave of rc.
ZeeBeeFPV I’ll take my nitros over my lipos any day, only time I use my brushless rigs are when I wanna go in wet mud and swampy stuff, other than that I prefer the nitro all day long. I admit that the brushless stuff is easier, it’s just plug and play. With nitro it takes a lot more maintenance, but when they are running tip top I prefer them. My 4.6 savage is way faster than these rigs and can do standing back flips all day
One irrefutable lesson I've learned from my Rustler 4X4 VXL after 10 months of ownership is that although being an absolute HOOT to drive; the power being applied to the drive train and the violence regularly experienced traveling 200 to 400 'scale' mph equates to far more time(and money) spent on replacing parts than driving and enjoying the RC. A short time back I succumbed to purchasing a Losi Tenacity DB Pro(it was just so damn cool & scale looking). But from here on out the scale 'Crawlers' and their consistent ratio of 5 minutes of maintenance to 2 hours of driving far better fits my desires, priorities, and budget.
The rustler vxl is a money pit big time. I replaced every part in mine including a motor in first eight months. I also have a Kraton 6s 1/8 and in 6 months I've o only had to replace the transmitter and tighten screws n bolts here and there. Much better experience.
Well said, I agree. 75% of my time is spent Crawling (I live in Utah, ideal landscapes for crawling). It’s fun, maintenance is easy, parts are cheap is you stick to plastics (I prefer plastic over everything else when crawling). And the other 25%, or weekends are spent bashing. Wish it was the other way around sometimes but bashing CAN be expensive
@@curtpemrick5516 I don’t know I’ve destroyed some driveshafts and what not. on a recent very hard bashing session I damaged my steering servo mind you that’s 3 years old and apart from that it’s perfect just about when running on dirt and pavement and casing the occasional jump won’t kill it I’ve done little maintenance on it over the years and it’s perfect took me 2 years to destroy the spur gear in it replaced no worries esc an and the dusty motor cover with the sledgehammer tyres make it a blast to drive and some rpm driveshaft on the way.
I'm glad you reviewed these two the way you did. Everyone tries so hard to directly compare them... They really can't be done that way. I've played with an Xmax, but have yet to get one. It's high on my list, do maybe one day. Also, those speed comparisons you did we spot on! Again, people do speed run on asphalt with off road vehicles...your speed runs make sense since they were both built for off road! Love the content and well rounded comparisons. Thanks!
I’ve always been an on road guy from modifying nitro TC3, Mugen and Serpents. Just picked up my first RC in a while since I sold everything back in 2008. Picked up an XMaXX is week, the 6700 lipo & charger kit and I have absolutely enjoyed it.
As an owner of both I think a few things should be emphasized. Kraton Pros: The handling on the Kraton is much better, it feels way way more planted and is tough to get to roll. The Xmaxx rolls easily in turns. In drag racing you have to feather the Xmaxx to keep it from going into a wheelie and losing traction/power/speed and can just hammer the Kraton. On punch 5 on the Kraton this becomes more pronounced. The drivetrain/diffs etc on the stock Kraton is tank like. Way more issues on keeping the Xmaxx planted on four tires in turns and acceleration. Xmaxx: lighter/easier to control in the air stock. If you are looking for stock wheelies obvious choice. Cheaper replacement parts. Superior front bumper. Once you go aftermarket and change pinions or gear either up, stick on a M2C or justbashit chassis for the Kraton and upgrade both of their motors/esc/servos etc then all that remains is the better handling of the Kraton and a superior drive train. However you will have spent more due to the 7075 chassis upgrade. Replacement parts for arms etc is cheaper for the Xmaxx. The stock chassis on the Xmaxx may need replacements. You are good to send it with the 7075 upgrade on the K8s.
Of course you compare them. Do you own both? Their cost is the same. Relatively the same size. Both 8s. Both 4 tires. They are both RC vehicles and so on. In the big scheme of things they are far more similar that disparate. I mean we aren’t trying to compare a robot to an amoeba. When comparing them you are simply listing each of their strengths and weaknesses along with general attributes and which purposes each is suited for out of the box and which uses might need upgrades to be better suited etc.
Lisa M. Buican The list of sucks stick for both is there. I winced when I bought my first one and realized how easy it was to roll the Xmaxx in corners. I quickly relegated it to jumping as I love to flat out rip with RCs and that certainly includes in the turns. However if jumping or wheelies stock only is your thing then the Xmaxx will better suite your taste. If you want big air with a Kraton, which is like 5lbs heavier out or the box than the Xmaxx it’s time to upgrade to 7075, which it will even be more of a beast as the upgraded chassis is heavier. Then you can truly send it and have turned it into an excellent large scale driver/racer and jumper. As I said they both need motor upgrades etc as well to really make the big RCs show off.
It's so obvious that the xmaxx jumps better than the K8S. It can backflip easier off smaller jumps too. Xmaxx for me. That's why I prefer the O8S and Xmaxx 8s. Durability goes to the xmaxx for sure!
I like the Xmaxx, and I always like R/C cars and I alawys wanted a REAL, R/C cars. Good job on helping me figure out which one to choose down the road.
The X-Maxx is a better Truck, but I still love my Kraton 8S. A big reason is definitely the durability issues with the 8S. 5 mins in, I lost an arm, on a small jump. The plastics are too hard and people are recomminding boiling the arms and wing mount. But even so, Ill never buy an X-Maxx. Its a strange thing really, I think its because Ive always loved the truggy platform. A mean, low-profile truck that just looks so much more angry than a monster. It just looks like it wants to kill you in your sleep, and I love that. Plus the fact that with higher gearing it even drives like a race truggy, its just sick as hell. Slap a 21-23T pinion in the Kraton 8S and ull keep up with the best of the 5th scale racers. I plan on a MAX5 ESC and a Leopard Hobby 5892 Ver 2.0 1200KV motor, then some Louise RC X-Uphill tires and a 24T pinion to create a truck that will do 55 MPH absolutely anywhere and over any terrain. Thats something that the tall profile of the X-Maxx will simply never be able to manage. But then again, the X-Maxx is a stunt truck, not a racer. So to each their own, but I have loved my Kraton 6S for years and now I love my Kraton 8S as well!
ISEE YOU Yeah, exactly. I think the whole brand loyalty isn’t as nuts as it was 10yrs ago. I think people are more open to trying different brands. I think competition is good. That shows given that Axial and Redcat are making their plastics more Traxxas-ish
ISEE YOU Yeah, exactly. I think the whole brand loyalty isn’t as nuts as it was 10yrs ago. I think people are more open to trying different brands. I think competition is good. That shows given that Axial and Redcat are making their plastics more Traxxas-ish
This will likely be a “TLDR” post, but... It always amazes me how well you control these vehicles, especially in the air AND one handed. I need a lot of practice with jumps, just hate breaking things with bad landings. Don’t hate the wrenching, just hate the expense lol. I think I prefer the Arrma, only because it seems more stable where the X-Max seems to want to get up on its wheels on the side. I like to drive fast more than I like to bash, and I feel the Arrma is the better fit for me personally. If you’re primarily a basher, then ya, X-Max is the winner there. Great job, another enjoyable video!
I have the xmaxx, my brother has the kratton our drag races were like yours. Just about even top speed but he was able to take off faster due to xmaxx wheelies. Also like your video I blew out my rear bearing. Easy fix though.
Got my Kraton up and running today and WOW I have to say I love it! I just wish the battery life was just a bit more but that can be translated as I'm just having a good time!
I know they're designed for it, but sometimes it pains me when the cars slam into the ground from 10-12 ft high. I don't know if I'll ever get over that.
Change the center diff fuild in the kraton to a very thick viscosity and it will wheelie all day. I recommend doing this outta the box. It will help transfer power to both diffs equally and will help with front tires ballooning at high speeds
Great comparison - I tend to agree - that the two cannot be compaired. They are awesome in each their own way. XMAXX is a floater, maybe even a drifter on gravel and loose surfaces. Man it can throw some chips and dirt behind it while drifting sideways. Kraton - from 0-fast, it will go so quick you will not notice - and it will be in a straight line. Try turning down AVC and it will get a whole lot funnier. Much smaller doughnuts and controlled jumps will be a side effect - so stabile. XMAXX - turn down TSM and it will take off in an unknown direction letting you test your counter steering abilities within a split second. Much funnier in my opinion - but it is impressive what the Kraton can do acceleration wise.
you can set the suspension on the xmax lower and get wider control arms, and it would behave much like the kraton. But like I said, they are two different trucks.
I like both!!! I would ne happy with either one!!! Because of the lower stance of the chassis the Karton seems closer to a Erevo rather them a monster truck.
The X-maxx feels more exiting at lower speeds because it flips over easier than the Kraton. And the Kraton looks slower than it is because it is so planted. Both truck will be fun :)
Great vid, still going to buy the Arrmor anyways and thought of you straight away with the 800kv conversation I’m in the process of doing my XMaxx now with same 800kv set up just waiting for the gearing from Merica to Straila can’t wait for the Kraton conversion 🤘
I agree with everything.. if I was going to only drive on say a bmx track then maybe I’d have a Kraton but for just messing around bashing and just having general fun it’s xmaxx all the way! Both great vehicles though.👍🏻
What an awesome video man, I'm an Arrma man myself and cant go past the 6s versions , this 8s thing was a waste of Arrmas time in my opinion, sorry if ive hurt feelings here but like I said that's my opinion. Xmaxx kicks the k8s arse into oblivion.😉
Great comparison of two same size-ish RC’s. You are right, it doesn’t feel like a direct comparison. 8s Kraton is more like the non-existent 8s EREVO. 😱
Xmaxx for 8s 1/5-6 scale stunts and smaller kraton all day for 6s 1/8 scale stunts. The K8S is a beauty but needs more out of the box to do what an X can. Get the shorter M2C chassis then re compare. The kraton 6s is still king basher in my book. My notorious is less graceful and more twitchy. Arrma is still growing and learning more designs and materials. Excited to see what they offer next. Traxxas needs to update several of their offerings in my opinion and address some weak points pointed out by owners
Great direct comparison, stock for stock 👍 I found it funny that people keep saying the K8S is slow and the Xmaxx is fast out the box 🤣 38mph is decent stock speed for these big trucks and they are identical.
You will get faster lap time, top speed, better air control and more stability while driving with the Kraton. With the X-Maxx u get more bashing capabilities, that thing is a tank. I choose the X-Maxx cuz i love the monster truck look of it and wanted his durability. One of my arms are like half broken since a year and i can still make 15 to 20 feet high jumps and back and front flips without fully breaking the arm yet. I do not regret the purchase of the X-Maxx, i absolutely love that thing. But if u also thinking about buying am X-Maxx u should also buy at least the blue loctite for the pinion gear or what i recommend the green one which holds it forever in place. If u leave it stock without loctite it will become loose. Just keep that in mind. Nice video too. What i also forget to mention is that if you break something on the X-Maxx it is much cheaper to replace the parts as on the Arrma one. Nearly all parts on the X-Maxx is made out of plastic thats why this this is lighter and more durable and makes the parts cheaper. Its also much easier to work on which i can confirm than the arrma one what i heard. At the end of the day its all about what u wanna do with the truck.
I really enjoyed the video. My son and I will get into this RC Hobby. It looks like Traxxas and Arma are the big dogs in the game. Peace and Love from East Harlem NYC...
I own an Xmaxx and Maxx.. really wanted an 8s Kraton to add to my collection but looking at what I mostly do with my trucks I realized it would rarely get driven. I guess if I did more track racing (which some locals do near me every weekend) I would probably want that Kraton 8s. I kinda like the craziness of the Xmaxx.
I watched a Kraton 6s being driven by th Aussie on TH-cam before this, he was doing triple backflips and double front flips. Do these not come with speed pinions, if so put in and test again, I’m just trying to decide what to buy. I don’t have either one, long time traxxas fan, but the other video was very impressive watching it jump. I would be curious what top speeds are reached with the speed pinions as well. Gotta say, it looks like you just weren’t comfortable driving the arrma, was the steering rate turned down? Leaning towards the 1/8 scale to have more speed possibly.
The steering on the arrma is bad compared to the Xmaxx. I now have the arrma sorted out with a big castle system and better gearing. Many guys find that putting on a 23t pinion gets it up to speed and I don’t recall a speed pinion being included with this one. For bashing in general I feel the Xmaxx is the better choice. I have a buddy getting the new ARRMA 8S Outcast and those seem to look really good in videos.
I could watch bashing vids like this all day, great vid! I have beaten my xmaxx (and my maxx) and broken nothing, my arrmas are not nearly as tough. A modded kraton8s looks like it could be a fun truck!
What is the cost comparison of the two models you have? Are these models designed for same terrain and same driving? I would like to see the same person race them for time and see which one has faster lap times. Like to see them in mud and rocky sandy trails Im new, exactly what is bashing? Also i would think if you want to drive fast you dont want to wheelie
With practice the Kraton is the better racer. Xmaxx is the better basher. Bashing is just driving for fun, see a hill, jump the hill and have fun. That’s bashing.
I think you nailed it. Kratons are just not bashers in any way shape or form. They are literally track or flat out running alone. XMaxx is more a fun bashing truck.
@@XV3LimpiadorXV3 drive it like an Xmaxx and it will break every time. Drive it like a Maxx and it will break every time. Its just not intended to be truly bashing. If ya do it will bend and break more parts. It’s just not worth it. It’s a race truck that’s just big. They took the ideas from 8th scale buggies and tossed big tires on them.
@@XV3LimpiadorXV3 lol watched one of his vids and he broke the Kraton in multiple places and his Kronos lol. I guess he proved your point jumping off those small ramps how durable they are lol.
I've opted for the Talion first, as it was in my local HB, with the plan of getting the XMaxx later in year after I have bought the Fireteam for my eldest boy and the Senton for my middle fella. Should have a pretty good RC stable come end of the year! Thanks for the video, just subbed 😉
Get the losi dbxle 2.0 it just needs 18 tooth pinion and bouble fan on motor, it's not for jumping, but in the dirt dashing around corners it's one of my favorites
This was a great video. They are not alike. I have them both and love them for different reasons. Also we have to remember, we're in our first version of the K8S. It'll get better. Before you mod the Kraton, put the punch on level 5. It should wheelie better, mine did.
The clutch on the kraton is slipping to much.. U can hear it engage like 11 feet out.. It should engage with int 3 feet.. Or am i just way wrong.... I just bought a kraton 6s rtr and im upload the video to my channel A TECH PCs..
I’m still super on the edge of which one to get I know the xMaxx is better but I still love the Kraton I’m probably just going to get the xMaxx and the losi sbr 2.0 or dbxle 2.0
I 100% think it depends on your area you play. For me, all tracks within 3 hours are packed clay, and jumps usually 5'-7'. That being said, i feel the arrma with more weight, sticks to track WAY better. For playing close to home (Baseball Fields), they drive about the same on sand dense surface. If you into "Stunts" i dont have a opinion, not my play style. All that being said, have sold all my Traxxas stuff, and parts, and used that money for Kraton 8S upgrades ( 2024 ). For me, not for everyone, this was the best option for MY area.
Those stock bearings on the X-Maxx are terrible! The seals come off all the time or they just seize up. I replaced them with Avid Racing one's, and I've had no issues at all. Cost much less, as well!
If you gear up the xmaxx it's a completely different animal. I run 47/22 and its amazing. But you already know that. BASHER > RACER. I don't care for the Arrma at all compared to the Xmaxx
I agree with your doing the speed tests in the grass. I bothers me to see speed tests done in the street or in a paved parking lot with RCs that are designed for and will most likely be run off-road.
I think It's time to put the Cen Colossus XT Reeper in the mix and the tables will turn for both of these vehicles. They will finally become friends as they watch the Cen Colossus take the gold !!!!
I’ve seen a few of those trucks at events. Once broken early the owners either sit and watch, leave or break out the Xmaxx to continue the day. Yours holds up well?
I'm of the same option Joe... they are different trucks and shouldn't be compared to one another. They're big and that's the cool part about 'em. Just been out this afternoon with my son, he drove the Xmaxx and me my monster trucked slash 4x4. We both had big smiles.. Wheelies and back flips are just awesome.. Good times Cheers mate 👍
I have so much fun with the monster slash 4x4. I have an outcast 4s as well as another "normal" slash 4x4 and a 1/10 TLR buggy. But the monster slash always makes me smile. I think because It jumps off curbs well and small jumps it is just fun to drive. And it wheelies on command. My outcast bounces over the curb and gets no air. But with the ground clearence and wheel size it makes the slash a lot of fun on almost any surface. I had to down gear it and add in a couple fans to help keep it cool on 3s. And put some sway bars on it. But once that was done it is one of my favorate RC toys. Took it out just yesterday in the rain. Just dry it good and oil the bearings and spray it down with some wd40 for good measure. I do want to get a dirt protector for it though because it collects grass and dirt every time I take it out like a magnet.
@@gimiked8685 sounds cool bro... mine runs cool because it's doing it easy as I'm running 2000kv 1/8 scale motor and Esc combo with 2.8 17mm hex tyres and tekno driveline. Stupid amount of power just on 3s, and now coz of upgrades hardly ever breaks anything... I have another similar with Vxl 3 system and it gets hot on 3s... As long as you have a smile on your face you are doing it right... Cheers 👍
For me personally I am more of a racer and I just got my first Arrma. A Kraton 4s! So this truck I love. I did have some oil on the slipper clutch, but it has been solid thus far. I do plan on upgrading the a arms to RPMs and I plan on getting aluminum shock bodies. It has been a fun truck for sure. The servo is ok for people who are getting into the hobby, but I need faster steering. I plan to change out the server and saver with something I have laying around. I will be honest, I'm not a big fan of Traxxas but I do like the X-Maxx. I have had more than 10 of their cars and trucks through out the years and I have a E-Maxx right now. It's going on craigslist this weekend. If I was going to spend a $1000 on a RC car, I would get a Mugen Seki 1/8th Truggy kit and put a CC Mamba Monster 2200 KV setup on it. I refuse to pay $1000 for a RTR.
It Would also be nice to mention the price for this two different vehicles! I think it should also be Part of the discussion. The Video is very Good. Thank you!
Well I know the Arrma rear arms are easy to fix. I did a video on them. The Xmaxx is a bit bulky but also not bad at all. Technology has came a long way in making these trucks serviceable.
Agreed, I'm an Arrma guy but 8s stock vs stock... X-Maxx looks more fun and wild, lighter and more durable. You have to add the M2C shorter chassis and more power to have X-Maxx fun... And that's some $$$.... Even then would be a close call to which one is better.
Now Arrma owns 1/8 scale.... But for 8s even I would take the Xmaxx
Great video bud
You got a sub from me🎯👍
X-Maxx is faster, more durable, has better parts availability, and more upgrades.....I dont know man. Pretty easy choice here between those monsters.
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i feel my arrma self slippin to the HOSS side.
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No.. Definitely not faster
@@electriceyeslide5959 you sure....
I've narrowed it down between these two, but leaning towards the Kraton
Saw both of these in person for the first time today... mother of god, they are both MASSIVE. Just the size of the shocks alone on these things is mental.
Look up primal rc Raminator
@@Jaguar-s7f LMFAO yes I suppose dummies could be hurting people in parks and places where there are general population in close vicinity. Definitely agree that these RC's should not be ran by newbies or assholes lol!
Thank you for making my decision that much easier. -Now I just need $1,600 truck +Batts/charger. See you in late March Xmaxx 😁🍻
I just bought the X-maxx a week ago best RC in my book hands down. Got that Mamba Green colour. Traxxas fan boys in South Africa. It's really worth the huge cost.
I have forecasted the same time for me too lmao
@@milldinho you from SA
The XMAX looked to be more fun to drive. Good video.
As a Canadian that understands metric and imperial measurements i can appreciate the ability to convert like you did and i seen a video of an xmax with paddle tires playing in the snow and they rip im not a traxxas fan but the x max i would get just for bashing
Because of videos like this helped me choose the xmaxx that I have, and I love it
I just ordered the red x maxx online last nite, because all hobby shops by me are closed down here in jersey. Haven’t done any rc stuff in 25 yrs 😆, had like 3 huge rc gas boats, but got rid of them because of noise complaints
You are gonna love it. Lipos are soooo much better than nitro in every way. Nitro was the worst thing about rc modelling for me, hated everything about it. Plus you had to deal with so many damn batteries anyway. Welcome back to the new wave of rc.
@@zeebeefpv2273 I agree 200% Only thing I miss, personally, is the smell of burning Nitro : )
Get you hands on traxxas spartan and you will never want another nitro boat
217_NickO i just ordered a Thrasher V3 rc boat-Amazing 👍
ZeeBeeFPV I’ll take my nitros over my lipos any day, only time I use my brushless rigs are when I wanna go in wet mud and swampy stuff, other than that I prefer the nitro all day long.
I admit that the brushless stuff is easier, it’s just plug and play. With nitro it takes a lot more maintenance, but when they are running tip top I prefer them. My 4.6 savage is way faster than these rigs and can do standing back flips all day
One irrefutable lesson I've learned from my Rustler 4X4 VXL after 10 months of ownership is that although being an absolute HOOT to drive; the power being applied to the drive train and the violence regularly experienced traveling 200 to 400 'scale' mph equates to far more time(and money) spent on replacing parts than driving and enjoying the RC. A short time back I succumbed to purchasing a Losi Tenacity DB Pro(it was just so damn cool & scale looking). But from here on out the scale 'Crawlers' and their consistent ratio of 5 minutes of maintenance to 2 hours of driving far better fits my desires, priorities, and budget.
The rustler vxl is a money pit big time. I replaced every part in mine including a motor in first eight months. I also have a Kraton 6s 1/8 and in 6 months I've o only had to replace the transmitter and tighten screws n bolts here and there. Much better experience.
Well said, I agree. 75% of my time is spent Crawling (I live in Utah, ideal landscapes for crawling). It’s fun, maintenance is easy, parts are cheap is you stick to plastics (I prefer plastic over everything else when crawling). And the other 25%, or weekends are spent bashing. Wish it was the other way around sometimes but bashing CAN be expensive
@@curtpemrick5516 I don’t know I’ve destroyed some driveshafts and what not. on a recent very hard bashing session I damaged my steering servo mind you that’s 3 years old and apart from that it’s perfect just about when running on dirt and pavement and casing the occasional jump won’t kill it I’ve done little maintenance on it over the years and it’s perfect took me 2 years to destroy the spur gear in it replaced no worries esc an and the dusty motor cover with the sledgehammer tyres make it a blast to drive and some rpm driveshaft on the way.
Great video, very good to see the two trucks in the same video and driven in different situations. Thanks.
I'm glad you reviewed these two the way you did. Everyone tries so hard to directly compare them... They really can't be done that way. I've played with an Xmax, but have yet to get one. It's high on my list, do maybe one day.
Also, those speed comparisons you did we spot on! Again, people do speed run on asphalt with off road vehicles...your speed runs make sense since they were both built for off road!
Love the content and well rounded comparisons. Thanks!
Nice video. Good to see, how they both Drive in different conditions.
I’ve always been an on road guy from modifying nitro TC3, Mugen and Serpents. Just picked up my first RC in a while since I sold everything back in 2008. Picked up an XMaXX is week, the 6700 lipo & charger kit and I have absolutely enjoyed it.
The Xmaxx is an awesome machine for sure
I wonder how the Losi Fox DB XL-E 2.0 8S 1/5 compares to these two?
The xmaxx runs very quiet. Much smoother sounding.
Yah the kraton sounds like a jet
@@pugster77 that's just cool
@@pugster77 yeah. Who wants quiet? I got Arrma Kraton 6s with twin fans and the thing sounds like a jet taking off!
As an owner of both I think a few things should be emphasized. Kraton Pros: The handling on the Kraton is much better, it feels way way more planted and is tough to get to roll. The Xmaxx rolls easily in turns. In drag racing you have to feather the Xmaxx to keep it from going into a wheelie and losing traction/power/speed and can just hammer the Kraton. On punch 5 on the Kraton this becomes more pronounced. The drivetrain/diffs etc on the stock Kraton is tank like. Way more issues on keeping the Xmaxx planted on four tires in turns and acceleration. Xmaxx: lighter/easier to control in the air stock. If you are looking for stock wheelies obvious choice. Cheaper replacement parts. Superior front bumper.
Once you go aftermarket and change pinions or gear either up, stick on a M2C or justbashit chassis for the Kraton and upgrade both of their motors/esc/servos etc then all that remains is the better handling of the Kraton and a superior drive train. However you will have spent more due to the 7075 chassis upgrade. Replacement parts for arms etc is cheaper for the Xmaxx. The stock chassis on the Xmaxx may need replacements. You are good to send it with the 7075 upgrade on the K8s.
You cant compare them like that as they are totally different vehicles
Of course you compare them. Do you own both? Their cost is the same. Relatively the same size. Both 8s. Both 4 tires. They are both RC vehicles and so on. In the big scheme of things they are far more similar that disparate.
I mean we aren’t trying to compare a robot to an amoeba. When comparing them you are simply listing each of their strengths and weaknesses along with general attributes and which purposes each is suited for out of the box and which uses might need upgrades to be better suited etc.
The Kratons chassis suck I bent it in 2 hours after buying lol x max I have had for about 2 years never bent it
Lisa M. Buican The list of sucks stick for both is there. I winced when I bought my first one and realized how easy it was to roll the Xmaxx in corners. I quickly relegated it to jumping as I love to flat out rip with RCs and that certainly includes in the turns. However if jumping or wheelies stock only is your thing then the Xmaxx will better suite your taste. If you want big air with a Kraton, which is like 5lbs heavier out or the box than the Xmaxx it’s time to upgrade to 7075, which it will even be more of a beast as the upgraded chassis is heavier. Then you can truly send it and have turned it into an excellent large scale driver/racer and jumper. As I said they both need motor upgrades etc as well to really make the big RCs show off.
I love the look of the xMaxx! I have a 6s Kraton and like it but would go with the Xmaxx if I wanted a 5th scale truck.
Xmaxx is 1/6 in theory
Thanks. This is the first video I have seen that talked about steer ability in the air. Good job. 👍
It's so obvious that the xmaxx jumps better than the K8S. It can backflip easier off smaller jumps too. Xmaxx for me. That's why I prefer the O8S and Xmaxx 8s. Durability goes to the xmaxx for sure!
I like the Xmaxx, and I always like R/C cars and I alawys wanted a REAL, R/C cars. Good job on helping me figure out which one to choose down the road.
The X-Maxx is a better Truck, but I still love my Kraton 8S. A big reason is definitely the durability issues with the 8S. 5 mins in, I lost an arm, on a small jump. The plastics are too hard and people are recomminding boiling the arms and wing mount. But even so, Ill never buy an X-Maxx. Its a strange thing really, I think its because Ive always loved the truggy platform. A mean, low-profile truck that just looks so much more angry than a monster. It just looks like it wants to kill you in your sleep, and I love that. Plus the fact that with higher gearing it even drives like a race truggy, its just sick as hell. Slap a 21-23T pinion in the Kraton 8S and ull keep up with the best of the 5th scale racers. I plan on a MAX5 ESC and a Leopard Hobby 5892 Ver 2.0 1200KV motor, then some Louise RC X-Uphill tires and a 24T pinion to create a truck that will do 55 MPH absolutely anywhere and over any terrain. Thats something that the tall profile of the X-Maxx will simply never be able to manage. But then again, the X-Maxx is a stunt truck, not a racer. So to each their own, but I have loved my Kraton 6S for years and now I love my Kraton 8S as well!
I’m not a Traxxas fanboy and even though I like metal in my RC’s I think I’d pick the XMaxx
Not sure why you had to specify you weren't a traxxas fanboy lol..
ISEE YOU Yeah, exactly. I think the whole brand loyalty isn’t as nuts as it was 10yrs ago. I think people are more open to trying different brands. I think competition is good. That shows given that Axial and Redcat are making their plastics more Traxxas-ish
ISEE YOU Yeah, exactly. I think the whole brand loyalty isn’t as nuts as it was 10yrs ago. I think people are more open to trying different brands. I think competition is good. That shows given that Axial and Redcat are making their plastics more Traxxas-ish
This will likely be a “TLDR” post, but... It always amazes me how well you control these vehicles, especially in the air AND one handed. I need a lot of practice with jumps, just hate breaking things with bad landings. Don’t hate the wrenching, just hate the expense lol. I think I prefer the Arrma, only because it seems more stable where the X-Max seems to want to get up on its wheels on the side. I like to drive fast more than I like to bash, and I feel the Arrma is the better fit for me personally. If you’re primarily a basher, then ya, X-Max is the winner there. Great job, another enjoyable video!
TLDR
I have the xmaxx, my brother has the kratton our drag races were like yours. Just about even top speed but he was able to take off faster due to xmaxx wheelies. Also like your video I blew out my rear bearing. Easy fix though.
Great video and showing what I have wanted to see in other videos and never seems to discuss ,,, absolutely great ,,,thanks buddy
Got my Kraton up and running today and WOW I have to say I love it! I just wish the battery life was just a bit more but that can be translated as I'm just having a good time!
I know they're designed for it, but sometimes it pains me when the cars slam into the ground from 10-12 ft high. I don't know if I'll ever get over that.
Yeah that can break stuff. Flat landings are the loudest but those usually don’t break things.
Change the center diff fuild in the kraton to a very thick viscosity and it will wheelie all day. I recommend doing this outta the box. It will help transfer power to both diffs equally and will help with front tires ballooning at high speeds
I've got silicone ear plugs in there now.
I wonder what traxxas will come out with next. I want a xmaxx as I have a 6s but I want to see if they bring something out soon
Does the Xmaxx come with battery’s if it doesn’t what battery’s do they need
Great comparison - I tend to agree - that the two cannot be compaired. They are awesome in each their own way. XMAXX is a floater, maybe even a drifter on gravel and loose surfaces. Man it can throw some chips and dirt behind it while drifting sideways. Kraton - from 0-fast, it will go so quick you will not notice - and it will be in a straight line. Try turning down AVC and it will get a whole lot funnier. Much smaller doughnuts and controlled jumps will be a side effect - so stabile. XMAXX - turn down TSM and it will take off in an unknown direction letting you test your counter steering abilities within a split second. Much funnier in my opinion - but it is impressive what the Kraton can do acceleration wise.
you can set the suspension on the xmax lower and get wider control arms, and it would behave much like the kraton. But like I said, they are two different trucks.
That looks just like a little town I know called Watertown. Nice comparison video.
Could the push on the Kraton be the servo saver? Could it be tightened to prevent the understeer?
I like both!!! I would ne happy with either one!!! Because of the lower stance of the chassis the Karton seems closer to a Erevo rather them a monster truck.
The X-maxx feels more exiting at lower speeds because it flips over easier than the Kraton. And the Kraton looks slower than it is because it is so planted. Both truck will be fun :)
Great vid, still going to buy the Arrmor anyways and thought of you straight away with the 800kv conversation I’m in the process of doing my XMaxx now with same 800kv set up just waiting for the gearing from Merica to Straila can’t wait for the Kraton conversion 🤘
Great comparison def x maxx in general is better unless your just racing imo. I just bought a Mojave but still want a x maxx
How is the Mojave holding up? All I see is great reviews on them being strong fast and very durable.
@@ExocagedRC have had it about a month and haven't used it yet lol. I live in NH still waiting for good weather.
I agree with everything.. if I was going to only drive on say a bmx track then maybe I’d have a Kraton but for just messing around bashing and just having general fun it’s xmaxx all the way! Both great vehicles though.👍🏻
The best comparison vid there is, thank you!
Now i wand a xmaxx!
Glad you liked it!
thats the best comparison video yet so far I've seen thanks for making my decision easy. XMAXX
What an awesome video man, I'm an Arrma man myself and cant go past the 6s versions , this 8s thing was a waste of Arrmas time in my opinion, sorry if ive hurt feelings here but like I said that's my opinion. Xmaxx kicks the k8s arse into oblivion.😉
I kind of agree, I'm going to try to polish this thing a bit and hope for the best
I have the xmaxx but I want the k8s next how can I ensure I'm getting the updated version?
I use to drive team associated in Jr high..
Bought a kraton 4s. Had it for a year and it always needed something to be fixed.
Just sold it
What truck are you running now? I'm currently bashing a Mojave V2.
@@surfside75 motorized skates and cats might be cool
Ummmm... It's late but😐 -👍😂🍻
Where do you get those little jack stands display plates?
I print them with a file off thingiverse.
Great comparison of two same size-ish RC’s. You are right, it doesn’t feel like a direct comparison. 8s Kraton is more like the non-existent 8s EREVO. 😱
Mmmmmm a 1/5 scale, 8s.. E-Revo
Xmaxx for 8s 1/5-6 scale stunts and smaller kraton all day for 6s 1/8 scale stunts. The K8S is a beauty but needs more out of the box to do what an X can. Get the shorter M2C chassis then re compare. The kraton 6s is still king basher in my book. My notorious is less graceful and more twitchy. Arrma is still growing and learning more designs and materials. Excited to see what they offer next. Traxxas needs to update several of their offerings in my opinion and address some weak points pointed out by owners
Great review and comparison
Great direct comparison, stock for stock 👍 I found it funny that people keep saying the K8S is slow and the Xmaxx is fast out the box 🤣 38mph is decent stock speed for these big trucks and they are identical.
Yep I hear the same thing. This showed they are the same speed box stock.
Xmax kicks ass . Agree with you on the xmax . I've had one two years now . With not much trouble . Xmax is no. one
On my Kraton 6s I put million weight oil in the center diff. That allows more power to go to the rear diff to help bring the back end around.
Just got the orange xmaxx what should I do first please
Drive it, have fun with it, then get some power in there.
They are both fun, to me it seems like it comes down to driving preference.
You will get faster lap time, top speed, better air control and more stability while driving with the Kraton. With the X-Maxx u get more bashing capabilities, that thing is a tank. I choose the X-Maxx cuz i love the monster truck look of it and wanted his durability. One of my arms are like half broken since a year and i can still make 15 to 20 feet high jumps and back and front flips without fully breaking the arm yet. I do not regret the purchase of the X-Maxx, i absolutely love that thing. But if u also thinking about buying am X-Maxx u should also buy at least the blue loctite for the pinion gear or what i recommend the green one which holds it forever in place. If u leave it stock without loctite it will become loose. Just keep that in mind. Nice video too. What i also forget to mention is that if you break something on the X-Maxx it is much cheaper to replace the parts as on the Arrma one. Nearly all parts on the X-Maxx is made out of plastic thats why this this is lighter and more durable and makes the parts cheaper. Its also much easier to work on which i can confirm than the arrma one what i heard. At the end of the day its all about what u wanna do with the truck.
I like that you called the kraton a truggie, to me Xmaxx is pretty tough.
Awesome testing
Thanks! Yeah they are not the same.
So with that motor and ESC in your hands, would that make the truck faster? Thank you.
I really enjoyed the video. My son and I will get into this RC Hobby. It looks like Traxxas and Arma are the big dogs in the game. Peace and Love from East Harlem NYC...
Awesome, glad to have you guys.
I got both of these babies on my wish list.
I own an Xmaxx and Maxx.. really wanted an 8s Kraton to add to my collection but looking at what I mostly do with my trucks I realized it would rarely get driven. I guess if I did more track racing (which some locals do near me every weekend) I would probably want that Kraton 8s. I kinda like the craziness of the Xmaxx.
I watched a Kraton 6s being driven by th Aussie on TH-cam before this, he was doing triple backflips and double front flips. Do these not come with speed pinions, if so put in and test again, I’m just trying to decide what to buy. I don’t have either one, long time traxxas fan, but the other video was very impressive watching it jump. I would be curious what top speeds are reached with the speed pinions as well. Gotta say, it looks like you just weren’t comfortable driving the arrma, was the steering rate turned down? Leaning towards the 1/8 scale to have more speed possibly.
The steering on the arrma is bad compared to the Xmaxx. I now have the arrma sorted out with a big castle system and better gearing. Many guys find that putting on a 23t pinion gets it up to speed and I don’t recall a speed pinion being included with this one. For bashing in general I feel the Xmaxx is the better choice. I have a buddy getting the new ARRMA 8S Outcast and those seem to look really good in videos.
I could watch bashing vids like this all day, great vid! I have beaten my xmaxx (and my maxx) and broken nothing, my arrmas are not nearly as tough. A modded kraton8s looks like it could be a fun truck!
What is the cost comparison of the two models you have?
Are these models designed for same terrain and same driving?
I would like to see the same person race them for time and see which one has faster lap times.
Like to see them in mud and rocky sandy trails
Im new, exactly what is bashing?
Also i would think if you want to drive fast you dont want to wheelie
With practice the Kraton is the better racer. Xmaxx is the better basher. Bashing is just driving for fun, see a hill, jump the hill and have fun. That’s bashing.
Hell yeah bro Omega Park I live in the burg to just now getting into rc myself.
Awesome and YEP!!! You'll have to join us for a crawl at the Exoplex or a bash event.
Send me more information I would love to come out
Awesome video! More please... 😊👍🏼
I think you nailed it. Kratons are just not bashers in any way shape or form. They are literally track or flat out running alone. XMaxx is more a fun bashing truck.
LoL huh?
Look up Rich Duperbash or RCDUDE81 and tell me they aren’t bashers 😂...
You just have to KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THEM.
@@XV3LimpiadorXV3 drive it like an Xmaxx and it will break every time. Drive it like a Maxx and it will break every time. Its just not intended to be truly bashing. If ya do it will bend and break more parts. It’s just not worth it. It’s a race truck that’s just big. They took the ideas from 8th scale buggies and tossed big tires on them.
@@XV3LimpiadorXV3 lol watched one of his vids and he broke the Kraton in multiple places and his Kronos lol. I guess he proved your point jumping off those small ramps how durable they are lol.
My 6s Kraton ESC gets clogged with grass when I've never have problems with any traxxas ESC
Please tell me what you mean when you talk about abc settings? What is that?
Great video, but you need a go pro with a head strap!
ABC? You mean the wire configuration? If that’s it I prefer to keep them A-A B-B C-C but it’s not required on a sensor less motor setup.
I think takubus74 was referring to your comment at about 16:45.
KG6964 oh ok that was AVC. That’s the steering gyro on the spektrum.
I've opted for the Talion first, as it was in my local HB, with the plan of getting the XMaxx later in year after I have bought the Fireteam for my eldest boy and the Senton for my middle fella.
Should have a pretty good RC stable come end of the year!
Thanks for the video, just subbed 😉
Get the losi dbxle 2.0 it just needs 18 tooth pinion and bouble fan on motor, it's not for jumping, but in the dirt dashing around corners it's one of my favorites
This was a great video. They are not alike. I have them both and love them for different reasons. Also we have to remember, we're in our first version of the K8S. It'll get better. Before you mod the Kraton, put the punch on level 5. It should wheelie better, mine did.
its been on 5 for several drives, no wheelies. no big deal, it has a whole new power system in it now. hope to record it tomorrow.
@@ExocagedRC I have that same castle combo in mine with the 46 tooth pinion 😮IT IS INSANELY POWERFUL/FAST👍🏿 Ordered another for my xMaxx🙏🏾
I love my xmaxx
The clutch on the kraton is slipping to much.. U can hear it engage like 11 feet out.. It should engage with int 3 feet.. Or am i just way wrong.... I just bought a kraton 6s rtr and im upload the video to my channel A TECH PCs..
Hi a good review on x maxx and arrma.. good to see glad I didnt buy the arrma.. got xmaxx instead and what a beast.. 👍
I’m still super on the edge of which one to get I know the xMaxx is better but I still love the Kraton I’m probably just going to get the xMaxx and the losi sbr 2.0 or dbxle 2.0
Love the video and currently trying to get a xmaxxx😂
Hard to pick. I love low cog but xmaxx is much lighter. I would pick xmaxx all day if it has newly designed low cg chassis. i like truggy feel.
After this video I think I should order a tri-axle of dirt and an Xmas. Great video!
May I ask why the Kraton was "whining" when it wasn't moving?
I 100% think it depends on your area you play. For me, all tracks within 3 hours are packed clay, and jumps usually 5'-7'. That being said, i feel the arrma with more weight, sticks to track WAY better. For playing close to home (Baseball Fields), they drive about the same on sand dense surface. If you into "Stunts" i dont have a opinion, not my play style. All that being said, have sold all my Traxxas stuff, and parts, and used that money for Kraton 8S upgrades ( 2024 ). For me, not for everyone, this was the best option for MY area.
Yeah when it comes to serious racing the K8s has more to offer. I’ve never actually serious raced either, just here with my buddies.
Those stock bearings on the X-Maxx are terrible! The seals come off all the time or they just seize up. I replaced them with Avid Racing one's, and I've had no issues at all. Cost much less, as well!
If you gear up the xmaxx it's a completely different animal. I run 47/22 and its amazing. But you already know that. BASHER > RACER. I don't care for the Arrma at all compared to the Xmaxx
Nice comparison i am loving having an xmaxx never drove a kraton 8s👍
Where can I get one of each of those - they look like high performing r.c. cars?
Online at traxxas and arrma website or go to a hobby shop but they might not have it
Gr8 side by side I'm interested in buying but wasn't sure which way togo? Do you have any Bmx track's near by? My shredder loves the Bmx track
I'm saving for the redx xmaxx love that truck..looking forward to your mods..great comparison..thanks..
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Thanks for helping make my mind up , definitely Arrma Kraton for me.
Metal base on Arrma more durable than the X maxx.
He'll find out
I own a kraton 8s and I put a set of mad max giant grip tires on and they make a huge difference. Stock tires are very spongy and easily balloon.
I agree with your doing the speed tests in the grass. I bothers me to see speed tests done in the street or in a paved parking lot with RCs that are designed for and will most likely be run off-road.
^this👍🏿
I think It's time to put the Cen Colossus XT Reeper in the mix and the tables will turn for both of these vehicles. They will finally become friends as they watch the Cen Colossus take the gold !!!!
I’ve seen a few of those trucks at events. Once broken early the owners either sit and watch, leave or break out the Xmaxx to continue the day. Yours holds up well?
@@ExocagedRC So far so good !!!!
I'm of the same option Joe... they are different trucks and shouldn't be compared to one another. They're big and that's the cool part about 'em.
Just been out this afternoon with my son, he drove the Xmaxx and me my monster trucked slash 4x4. We both had big smiles.. Wheelies and back flips are just awesome.. Good times
Cheers mate 👍
I have so much fun with the monster slash 4x4. I have an outcast 4s as well as another "normal" slash 4x4 and a 1/10 TLR buggy. But the monster slash always makes me smile. I think because It jumps off curbs well and small jumps it is just fun to drive. And it wheelies on command. My outcast bounces over the curb and gets no air. But with the ground clearence and wheel size it makes the slash a lot of fun on almost any surface. I had to down gear it and add in a couple fans to help keep it cool on 3s. And put some sway bars on it. But once that was done it is one of my favorate RC toys. Took it out just yesterday in the rain. Just dry it good and oil the bearings and spray it down with some wd40 for good measure. I do want to get a dirt protector for it though because it collects grass and dirt every time I take it out like a magnet.
@@gimiked8685 sounds cool bro... mine runs cool because it's doing it easy as I'm running 2000kv 1/8 scale motor and Esc combo with 2.8 17mm hex tyres and tekno driveline. Stupid amount of power just on 3s, and now coz of upgrades hardly ever breaks anything... I have another similar with Vxl 3 system and it gets hot on 3s... As long as you have a smile on your face you are doing it right...
Cheers 👍
Do you vent your tires on the kraton & XMaxx
Love my armma' s! but really dig my x Maxx! Excellent comparison! Agreed their two totally different beast!
I'd still go xmaxx all day
I can hear a tiny squeak on the xmaxx what is it have it on mine carnt pinpoint it sounds like the rear axle or cup or bearing can anyone help
Like 90 my man. Idk how you could dislike this AWESOME double action video!🔥💯🔥
🔥PURE AWESOME🔥✌️😁🔥
🔥Xmaxx still looks KING to me🔥👑🔥
For me personally I am more of a racer and I just got my first Arrma. A Kraton 4s! So this truck I love. I did have some oil on the slipper clutch, but it has been solid thus far. I do plan on upgrading the a arms to RPMs and I plan on getting aluminum shock bodies. It has been a fun truck for sure. The servo is ok for people who are getting into the hobby, but I need faster steering. I plan to change out the server and saver with something I have laying around. I will be honest, I'm not a big fan of Traxxas but I do like the X-Maxx. I have had more than 10 of their cars and trucks through out the years and I have a E-Maxx right now. It's going on craigslist this weekend. If I was going to spend a $1000 on a RC car, I would get a Mugen Seki 1/8th Truggy kit and put a CC Mamba Monster 2200 KV setup on it. I refuse to pay $1000 for a RTR.
Great video like always
It Would also be nice to mention the price for this two different vehicles! I think it should also be Part of the discussion.
The Video is very Good. Thank you!
They are both right at $900 unless something has changed.
What about repairablity? Arrma looks alot easier to work on or am I wrong?
Well I know the Arrma rear arms are easy to fix. I did a video on them. The Xmaxx is a bit bulky but also not bad at all. Technology has came a long way in making these trucks serviceable.
@Bashing Brothers think its classic Ford and chevy. Both are good all depends on what you like and how you take care of them.
Air to fakie😁 haven't heard that for years, since my skating days.
LoL yeah man I used to skate too. It’s been a long time since I’ve stepped on a board.
@@ExocagedRC oh yeah, I'd break a bone if i got on mine now I recon, RCs are much safer, lol
Me too!
Best review video I could find on these 2, keep up the good work
where did you get the Traxxas battery adapters from? or did you make them?
Are you selling any of the others?
not right now