Does the FLSUN SUPER RACER Cross the FINISH LINE?
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- The FLSUN Super Racer is called that because they say it goes fast. Fast enough? Any problems with this machine at speed? Let's find out.
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I got mine nearly a year ago now and with over 1000hrs of print time this is my review.
I had a lot of trouble with the extruder setup and funnily enough I also had adhesion issues. Over the last year I've fitted it with a direct drive, pei plate, 5015 fans, bimetal heartbreak, a genuine volcano and I've migrated to klipper. Most of these mods are fairly unnecessary I only went this route as my two previous printers (og prusa i3 and ender 3) aren't very fast and I was really craving a super fast machine. The only mods I think are necessary are the flexbed and direct drive to make it a super reliable and fairly fast machine. Since the upgrades it's been an absolute beast. After input shaper calibration I can easily run 12k acceleration and my print speed is usually 200-250mm/s and the quality is really good (on par with my Prusa i3 mk1 at 70mm/s). I have pushed it all the way up to 500 and it's been just fine but just not as high quality at this speed. The best thing about this machine is the motion system. For this price, a solid chassis with linear rails and silent drivers make it a steal. Especially considering that the replacement for this machine, the Flsun v400 has ditched the linear rails and have gone back to rods like it's predecessor the Flsun QQS.
Since writing this, I have built a full heat controlled enclosure around it using 3x 2mm acrylic panels, packing foam in 3d printed adapters and a peliter module mounted to an old CPU cooler controlled by an Arduino and hbridge for chamber heat control. It's been perfectly capable at printing some very high quality carbonfiber nylon and polycarbonate parts with the help of a copper volcano heatblock and 70w heat cartridge
Could you put links up for what you bought. I just ordered one and would like to upgrade it?
Thank you.
I have had this printer for nearly a year without the problems you had. Not unusual in this 3D Printing malarkey. Until I tried PETG. Prints stuck to the build plate like a cow pat to a picnic blanket. Even with a barrier of my favourite gluestick, scalpel blades were involved. Constant clogs meant I only used it for PLA.
I have since fitted a bi-metal throat/heatbreak and some Capricorn tubing, 0.6mm nozzle and it prints PETG like a champ. I am a happy bunny.
I think for the price this is a great printer. The build quality is excellent and assembly was a breeze.
Klipper will be the next upgrade I shall do on this. I am curious to see how far I can push this exceptional delta.
swapped the Bowden for some Capricorn and also switched the extruder for a micro swiss option and it definitely is 1000x times better haven swapped at bowden tube in 1000+ hrs of printing
now go full throttle and put a 0.8mm nozzle on it 😈
Interesting timing for this upload just one day after the livestream for its successor.
Kudos for continuing to distinguish between an unboxing and actual review. Reviews take time, and the machine has to be put through the paces. So many people race to be the first to review, with no real experience with the machine. Honestly, 6 months to a year really is about right to get a good feel for a machine. Maybe 3 months if you use it everyday.
Had it over 12 months still recommend for newbies
Had mine for eight months and I absolutely hate the damn thing because I’m having the tube jams even with the boden upgrade, Don’t even get me started on the On the extruder jams
"Prints hold on to this plate too much." Joel would know about prints holding on to plates too much. I guess we're lucky this plate is still in one piece. 😛
Burn!
oh nooo not the disney onere
If you let it cool down the models pop right off.
Curious why your tube had so many issues. Mine and Emily’s and a few others have had anything near that problem. But as you said sometimes that’s just usher experience per each machine.
As for the build plate, I feel like I’d much rather a print that sticks TOO good over one that can’t get adhesion to save its life haha but yes; that can be annoying. The V400 as you saw now has a flex plate which is great and it’s direct drive so they clearly listened to someone’s feedback before you made the same conclusion which is good!
I think FLSUN is onto something with these delta printers making a comeback.
Dude, no idea. I saw so many people having a good time with theirs. I hated having these issues.
@@3DPrintingNerd these things happen as you know better than most. It’s still one idk y favorite printers but I’d be lying if I said I’m not waiting for the other shoe to drop lol 😆 every printer fails eventually
my build plates have been perfect for over 6 months now printing PLA+ and ABS+. I remember reading somewhere that the glass let's go on its own once it falls below 27c or so and I've followed it since. prints just pop off when they are ready no glue or sprays. Time to time il wipe the build plates with alcohol to remove any residue. using a desk fan to help cool the plate accelerates things
We bought two of these both using your discount code from your live stream which is one of the few livestreams I've ever watched on TH-cam. So far the Super Racer is the printer that has had the least amount of issues (for FDM) compared to the other printers we've bought. We have also had issues with the PTFE tube. It seems the inner diameter is just a bit too small so there seems to be just a bit too much friction. We did have one "Attack of the Blob Monster" which destroyed one of the Fan directors. Over all each machine has several hundred hours on them. While you have had adhesion issues of models sticking too well, I seem to have to opposite where prints don't stick well enough. Most of the time the prints sticks well until the build plate cools off and then it just flies right off.
I guess, with this being a fast machine, it has a capable hotend and that might suggest that you do need to print at speed to keep the flow going. Printing at lower speeds will lead to heat-creep and jams.
I thought the Super Racer came with a heated bed with removable PEI sheet. It's certainly available as a replacement part here in the UK.
I opted for the QQ-S Pro because I couldn't see myself printing super fast with a delta (I don't go above 80mm/sec print speed) but I got the sense that you need to use the Super Racer's speed to avoid such problems.
1. It has been found that the extruder (gears within) may spin due to the set screw not being set correctly in the set screw channel and thus causing issues with molten filament in the tube, lack of feed, etc...
2. If a print holds onto the plate, I let the plate cool to room temp. The only time I have a problem removing a print is while the plate and print are still hot/warm. At times, I can literally hear the print pop loose from the bed.
Thanks for your honesty. Your comment section is also surprisingly constructive with lots of tips to fix jams.
agree with the tube but no big thing but the build plate is good just wait until cool down prints come off easy
Thanks for not sugar-coating it. I'd also say that, unless the STL/3MF files had rough outer walls, the surface finish wasn't that great either. I wonder if it's the calculations needed for the kinematics that are to blame or just the extruder/tube/hotend combo.
"Fast" is so subjective. What are the hard numbers? e.g. 120 is flying for people used to printing at 60; Not so much if you regularly run 80-90. However, if the finish isn't as good then what's the point? You'll spend more than the time saved in 'polishing' the print. 🤷🏼♂️
I don’t run mine past 100mm/s and quality is usually great. I also used pre made profiles from cura for the most part so it could very much have to do with what profiles are being used. This machine seems to have 15 different profiles depending on when you got it and what version of cura you run. I appreciate seeing the not so good with the “speed is best” debate
Sometimes people say in the comments that you are bought, I don't believe that you are. You are honest in all your videos and this one is such example of that. Great video my friend!
My first 3d printer is a FLSun. 300x300 by 360 print volume.. love it!
Appreciate seeing your take on the super racer. Ironically, I had the opposite issue with the bed. I had many issues getting any consistent adhesion. Had the same complaint about not having a flex bed as well Although as of a few days ago, I have added a wham bam plate and it’s been fantastic! I did run into a similar tolerance issue with one of the print in place gears but I found that printing it slower helped that. Hoping to see more in the coming months on the v400 as a potential upgrade to the super racer.
How did you put on Wham bam? did you flip the glass over and put it there or did you put it on the aluminum plate?
With so many new light weight hot ends out right now, it would be a good machine to upgrade. It costs 1/2 what I payed a few years ago for the Little Monster Delta.
i almost bought a little monster but my roommates at the time kept using my print beds as coffee tables. thank god i held off
Thank you for an honest review, I was tempted until the V400 released and it seems to be an upgraded, also more expensive, version of this printer. I am gonna save up and wait for the V400. I have a Q5 right now and have needed to swap one too many parts for my liking. Hopefully they get it right 100% with the V400
I had the same issues. The bed issue, I solved by scrubbing it with alcohol pads, I just now always have to use hairspray. I swapped to a all metal hotend and installed a microswiss extruder and now I have a set it and forget it machine. O I also usually print at ludicrous speeds similar to a core XY and no issues in just under 400 hours
While I'm late to the party, I bought my SR two weeks ago and had similar experiences. Too bad they don't ship with Capricorn tubing, a bimetalic throat, upgraded nozzle and a flexible build plate, as I had to add tose myself for a much better experience.
Joel love your channel! Big fan! I was actually very happy with my super racer only issue I got was with extruded. Thanks.
HEY THANKS! I’m going to try and find some time to fix it up and see if I can’t make it work better.
I think I agree with you for the most part on your review however I think at the price point it comes in at, it is basically still in top tier of cheaper hobbyist level printers. Sure they could have put more time and money into a few parts of the printers but I think that's where there next printer the v400 comes in I would expect that to be close to perfect at this point.
I have 2 Flsun SR machines and have had no issues with them and they print extremely fast. However I did upgrade the extruder right out of the box to OMG and swapped the tubing out.
I've never heard of anyone complain about a print sticking to much but ok whatever....
I pre ordered the V400. 👍
- Does it have ABL? Yes
- Does it have filament runout sensor? Yes
- Does it have removable flex plate? No
In that case, not worth the time.
On a different note: I saw, but didn't finish watching yet, the FLSUN V400 livestream and thought "wow, that was a fast turn around time for a review..." and then you mentioned the livestream was a year ago and I went "wait, did TH-cam recommend an old livestream to me?" but yay confusion, I see they're different machines.
It may not seem like much, "it's just a PTFE tube", but you don't remember the pristine prints you get off a printer... you move onto the next print (once you finish showing off the prior). But you remember the jams, and time it was down for maintenance. You especially remember that time you did a 36h print and it jammed or detached on hour 35. So given the small pile of parts you had there, clearance issues, etc. it's something that requires a bit too much hand holding.
love it i run the ender 3 been looking for the next best thing thank you for the videos
I have the QQs Pro and had the same problem with prints sticking to well on the glass build plate, ended up buying a flexible sheet for it. Only had the PTFE tube jam on Me once tho in the 18 months I've had it
Haven't had any issues with the PTFE tube. I've only done 2 things to this printer- 1. Install cura printer config from a guy in the facebook group 2. Bought a magnetic spring steel print bed. Its at least twice as fast as my Tronxy X5SA for detailed prints, and 3x faster for rougher functional prints.
Edit: The extruder is loud so it's getting replaced. Also considering direct drive and klipper upgrade path. Didn't want to wait until end of the year for the v400, but those upgrades should make it comparable minus the extra build plate size.
Flsun printers often have jamming issues when the Bowden tube either isn't pushed all the way tight against the hot-end, or when the fitting that holds the tube lets it slip a bit. Either way, when filament enters the space between the end of the tube and the nozzle, it can cause a jam. A good fix for this is known as the "Luke Hatfield fix", and you can find a nice CHEP video about that here on TH-cam.
I have a FLSUN SR. I love the thing. I have had to upgrade the extruder and Bowden tube. But this aside it's a real workhorse. Removing parts is easy, just wait for the bed to cool down.
One more thing. Print at first from the highest temperature recommended by the filament manufacturer and bring the temperature down to the desired range to prevent the clogged boden tube.
I almost bought this printer but have heard the same thing about jams from a few people. Now that Joel has confirmed the same experience, I may hold off for a Version 2.0. I also agree with you that it should have a flexible build plate.
The extruder is bad it's an easy replacement
You have to torque the nozzle down after it heats up, and make sure the ptfe tube is fully inserted in the effector when it is hot. The Z height is critical for first layer and it may take a few tries to get it right. My SR is a good printer for the price.
If you want perfection go with the bamboo lab carbon ams.
this is FLSUN, fam they're wont be a V2 at least not for years. they often design printers i would consider 80% awesome and then they expect the consumers to do the other 20% in their DIY adventures
I have 7 printers, this is my favorite
Have never had a jam. Many many hours printing.
I have the same issues with my Super Racer. Print in place stuff is a no go, it just wont do it.
For the PTFE issue, I was able to fix it by loosening the fitting a bit, put the tube in and then tightening the fitting thus jamming the tube in enough to fill that gap. I did this on both sides and haven't had a jam or bad feed since.
I really love my SR so long as I use it for what it's good at, going fast! Otherwise, if it's something that needs good quality or print in place I just use my Ender 5.
If the heat break and/or hot end cooling fan were easy enough to replace with upgraded parts, it seems like this could be a really great machine.
They're both really easy to replace. Switching to direct drive is easy too.
So many advanced features are coming out on new 3d printers is really cool. I am personally interested in carbon and elegoo 3 neptune. My neptune 2 is great. Many of these companies are stepping it up. My printers are old enough that I have to add a flex plate. I have recently been going back to my resin printers, and a flex plate is really nice for those.
Bambu X1 Carbon will likely determine the direction of higher end consumer FDM if its a success and reliable enough to be called a workhorse.
Great quick overview. I'm actually looking at getting one of these atm. The nozzle clogging aside (as I will get a all metal hot end), will you still not recommend this printer?
Honestly deltas are such interesting machines and I’d love to own one!
That’s me, I’ve only used bed slingers and core xy machines, I’d like to own a delta just to learn more about them.
The engineering of this kind of machine is alien to me. Whether it printed well or not, I don't really understand the mechanics of it. I'd rather have the trouble of a print bed not holding on too well than one that holds on far too well. But, hey, I'm spoiled rotten by my Prusa MK3's and their flex plated beds. Right on in mentioning that it is, after all, 2022.
Thank you, I was about to by the printer but I will hold on it as i had that same issues with other printers and is very anoying ....I apreciate it
I totally agree with you. I've had this printer for almost a year now and have had nothing but trouble with it. I've put hours, days, weeks into it but it has only given me frustration. Feels like 500 euros wasted money!
For me only that crap extruder is the problem
@Joel what would someone who already has the machine do to prevent the issues with the bordon tube?
hi joel im unsure what to make of the racer at first 3 great prints but now cant get a decent print and had to change n=my glass bed as it decided to go crazy when auto levelling and decided to gouge the bed and now cant get a decent pla print out of it could you please share your best slicer setting as i cant get it settled down cheers for your help in advance peter uk
There seem to be at least a couple options to address your main issue with the printer, and it would have been nice if you discussed those in your review. Did you install Capricorn tubing after any of those clogs? Did you consider replacing the extruder? Did you consider a nimble or mini sherpa? I know this is a review of the stock printer; however, it seems to at least be worth noting if the two main issues you seem to have with the printer can be fixed with $80-100 in parts.
Other reviewers did not report the same issues and went more in depth on modifications (aurora tech channel). I get the sense Nerd doesn’t like delta…
@@kvitoroulis I believe the issue to be accurate, but it's solved with a new heat break which is an inexpensive and easy fix that he doesn't mention. That's where my issue lies, with him only providing half of the information it comes across like he's biased or just uninformed himself whether intentional or otherwise. Neither are obviously a good look. With that said, Flsun never should have included that crappy heat break in the first place.
i have found if you wick alcohol around the base of the print when cold will help release the print.
Yep. I do this too.
I got really worried at the beginning of the video. If you had said, "Ben Slinger" one more time, Ben would have shown up and slinged you. It's kind of like saying Candy Man or Beetlejuice a bunch. They show up and mess with you. That was a close one! ;) High-5!
ROFLMBO 🤣,,,,,,, yep what he said
You really do need to get the filament print tolerances dialed in on any printer so you can get perfect clearances. Thanks for your channel and this review!
Thanks for watching!
agreed. mine requiered to tune hard the ptfe issue with clog . so high priority to tune temps higher to avoid clog going low speed clog more often and yeah pei magnet is à thing for this printer. hoper they Will do consider feedback for the v400
Interesting elements their Dear Joel! But its a budget delta! too true is the need for "too much" cost savings on things like the clone BTT boards, BMG and horrid PTFE tubing. I wacked klipper on this, and i'm glad to see that the speed elements and software change has been adopted into the v400! #exciting The levelling attachment is a little annoying, i'd rather it levelled each time I print without having to play about with the attachment. I didn't get the stick to bed issue but the PEI route or flex bed is a great route. I've had the ptfe pop out of the extruder, and from the hot end leaving me with a real mess and not a 3d printed part. Did FLSUN just do the bare minimum and hoped that (like creality) the community would rush out and fix things? Some impressive mods have been made for this machine including weight loss on the hot end but you will need to spend a couple of $ hundred $ dollars on this to make it a good, fast printer* I'm waiting on the V400 to arrive for review but would love to know what stock comparisons you make on the step up from SR to V400
I installed a PEI flex plate and a HT 100 plated copper crater with a plated copper nozzle.
WE ARE #TEAMDELTA!!!
I have one and I've had a lot of problems with the extruder. I've ordered an OMG V2, so hopefully that fixes everything. If I can ever get that issue resolved, I think it will be a great printer!!!
Would love to hear from you after you change it
Out of the box i changed the extruder with bondtech one. I never tried stock extruder.I have zero issues with it
i have a question unrelated to the FLSUN. I'm Having a stubborn problem with an Ender 3 Pro that fails to auto home when it gets to the y axis and am wondering if there is somewhere here I could correspond with you to get some ideas regarding a direction I might take short of replacing the main board. Do you have an email I could message you at regarding the issue, or would you be way too busy for such a thing?
Cool review. Seems more than charitable. Some of those prints early in the video look a little rough, with lumpy blips and layer alignment laxity. It seems the Mingda Magician X and Elegoo Neptune 2 and even humble vanilla Ender 3s do better for less money
I'm fussy about filament storage, the top spool works well in use covered with a Rubbermaid 21 cup dry food container, since that's my container for normal storage, along with a gallon storage bag and 30MM 3D printed container filled with Dry & Dry color changing gel.
I would love to see a picture of your setup.
@@tralfazy Which part, a 21cup dry food container turned upside down and placed over the FLSUN SR filament spool and holder blocked off all but the tiny corners at the bottom, or the container with a spool placed in a gallon bag with a 30mm canister and all place in the container? Easy to visualize!
I hear that if you disagree with Joel. A little Joel elf will come and haunt you in the night :)
My bowden tube has been fine, but yes, the prints stick like they're hanging on for dear life. Gotta get aggressive taking them off. Flex plate would have been a nice touch.
The build volume isn't quite a cylinder. Because of the travel limits for the three arms when approaching the top of the rails the build volume looks more like a pencil standing on-end - it comes to a point at the effector's maximum usable height.
My issues are the extruder, very difficult to insert filament, I have had to change the boden tube twice and the prints can be difficult to remove. No issues with the print quality.
Hey Joel,
I was wondering if you have in the plans to review the ender 6 core-xy printer?
When will your review come out for the v400?
Is there an upgrade to put an all metal throat in the hot end?
That Bowden tube issue is almost certainly caused by having too much back pressure from printing faster than the set-up can actually manage. Why they ship Deltas with old school nozzles and heat breaks AND push them to Delta style speeds is beyond me. I bet if you chucked a CHT nozzle in there and changed nothing else, the problem would vanish. (CHT nozzles do give slightly weird extrusions with twirly whirly internal stresses but it doesn't show up much on the outside of models, ime.)
The consensus is that this is an amazing printer at its price point. I just bought one so I will soon find out if it is as problem ridden as you claim.
When he was reviewing the SR he would not let the bed cool before grabbing the paint scraper with his prehensile paws and scratch the model from the bed and he would whine “the model sticks to the build plate” well that’s what it’s supposed to do.
HUR HUR HUR. Wait you were at my studio? You were there when the print finished? Crazy I didn’t see you. You must be a ninja.
What printer would you recommend that is better than prusa?
I never owned one what do you recommend for me somebody told me the Neptune three or the ender three ?? 🤔🤷🏽♂️
I had a flsun qq-s pro I wasn’t to satisfied with it personally. I know some people love theirs but mine had some issues and support sucked just my opinion everyone has varying experiences.
Just let the bed cool down lol
The quality of the prints didn't look fantastic.. Was that just the camera? A result of the speeds used?
Wait for the next one. It's much better.
I wonder if Polymaker PLA with Jam Proof tech would solve the issue.
Intro🤜🔥💪
How does this compare to the CR10S Pro V2?
Hey Joel, i just want to know what do you think about bi metal heatbreaks from triangelabs. I would like to see a video from you because you have more experience than me! I just bought one from china (will take its time) because i am from Argentina. And a lot of users said to me that those work well, but didnt see many reviews. Maybe you can try one of those so the community knows if they are a valid upgrade that wont cost us a kidney.
Thanks for your great content, love watching your videos!
First comment, also love your vids! Helped me when i was buying my first printer!
What was it ?
@@saifob5800 ender 3
sorry Joel im nicking that phrase for a lol t-shirt ..Bed Slinger lol
How many hours has it printed for you? You can see that on the display
The only issue I've had is the bed adhesion. Holy mother-cracker prints will not come off that bed without mechanical persuasion. I bought a flex plate system, problem solved. I'm getting very good prints at 200mm/sec. I really like mine.
Can you have a look a the FLsun S1?
cool printer!!!
Is there a link to the Octopus?
Octopus 2.0 on cults 3d I think, costs a little bit of money.
It's such a pity Anycubic doesn't make deltas anymore. Kossel Linear Plus was really nice even out of the box.
I'd like to differ. I'm currently in the process of fixing one due to the buggy firmware. Updating to marlin 2.1 appear to have done the trick but even marlin 1.9 should have worked if is wasn't for wrong out of the box configuration for the bed leveling
@@KaidoLP the truth is I didn't stay on the stock firmware for long. And in some Marlin revisions delta calibration didn't work at all.
@@adameichler maybe they were ahead of the time, with the software not yet ready for prime time. Still though I agree that someone should revisit delta printers for their speed and tall build volume
Which Octopus model, please...
Add lgx lite, Revo hotend and wham bam flex plate
Y'alls production quality just keeps getting better. I still remember that very first review video you did. What a journey! ;-)
Awww thanks man :)
Have you talked to flsun customer care and explained the issues? Did they respond to you?
Dont know what the problem with the ptfe... i have mine one month now. From the first day i have change my extruder with bondtech and capricorn tube. Really never had a problem. Its the first printer that i doest look the first layer.. also i will replace now the heat block with one real volcano heatblock. That it wear its fake cheap volcano heatblock and the nozzle its out of heatblock more than 1cm
Dont know but i love this machine. Just need change 2 3 thinks
This vs Bambu Lab P1P, which one is better?
P1P.
@@3DPrintingNerd Thank you!
Pleeeease review the Voron 2.4 !!!
I SUPER WANT TO
Deltas a nice, but i gave up on them exactly because of the ptfe tube. They need to be too long and that causes a lot of problems, specially when you are printing super fast, and since that´s the only advantage of deltas.......
This delta is direct drive - you’re talking about delta printers with Bowden setups right?
@@3DPrintingNerd oh shit, didnt notice :D But you still had problems...not sure if i would throw almost 600€ just to check it out :D
This is supposedly a fast printer. You didn't mention the print speed or the time it took to print any of the models. Not a big deal though. I can look it up. I like the fact you give honest reviews though. I've probably seen every video you've posted since you were around 5 -10k subs.
Has he not used a Delta printer til now? He needs to adjust the retraction.
There was a Tevo little monster feature prominently at one point as well as a See Me CNC Artemis
It also doesn’t look like a tonka toy like the “bed slingers”.
The Prusas look like a PlaySkool children's toy
Joel is a bit of a prusa fan boy so…
i cut my hands so many times running a baby delta print farm that for christmas my friends got me gardening gloves. ruined so many white prints with my own blood
OMG are you serious?
No talk about the speed and capabilities?
The speed wasn’t there for me. I did try to go faster than normal speeds but it would clog. I might revisit and swap in new parts since I *do* like the form factor.
@@3DPrintingNerd hmmm well that's not good. I've seen others show the speed on this printer... You think you had a defective model maybe? This seems to be generally regarded as a good printer I thought.
I thought so too. A number of people I know with one really love it. It *could* be defective, but at the same time I’m starting to hear from others that are having similar experiences to me. The main issue now though is if I do invest more time in it, it’s on a machine that not that many care deeply about, and the V400 kicks the pants off it so far.
the year is 2022 so why are we still shipping reviews with the only PLA being mentioned or featured. The box says PLA, TPU and ABS - which probably also means PETG which may or may not work on ceramic coated glass.
I’ve heard PETG rips the coating off. Printing ABS gives me a headache so unfortunately I don’t usually test that. Adding TPU to more tests going forward.
i think that if u swap the hotend for a better one, you are ready to go, otherwise, if u don't have another printer or don't want to screw around with this, don't get it
Get better soon
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I had to replace the bowden tube twice on my cr10, its annoying af