The CR-V doesn't have a CVT in the conventional sense. It is driven by an electric motor until you get up to highway speeds then a clutch will connect the engine, just like the Insight. If there's a noise issue it may be because they removed some sound insulation in the hybrid or tuned the exhaust to maximize fuel economy and power instead minimizing noise.
Tha Accord Hybrid also has that same transmission. Consumers considering a Honda hybrid simply need to get used to the powertrain because the hybrid powertrain has a different feeling compare to the non hybrid version.
While i also hate my cvt transmission i believe that a CVT transmission should act like a CVT. When you get a CVT that does the fake shifting it defeats the purpose of having the car maximize efficiency and the powerband of the engine. Cars that fake shift and play engine noise through the speakers are more lame than any "honest" car.
I’m happy to see the question about “ Subaru popularity with reviewers” addressed here. I bought my wife a new 2015 Subaru in December 2014. While it is a good car and has overall served us well-especially in winter driving, it certainly has its flaws. The CD player failed just after the warranty lapsed. Turns out that problem is well-known. The winter package is over-rated-the defrosters aren’t very good at clearing the windshield. I could go on. Again, it is a good car, but I don’t understand the overwhelming love for Subaru by many reviewers, including CR.
I think it is because every car comes with AWD. Living in the northeast on a mountain, I need AWD as snow tires don't cut it on a FWD car (I tried, and had to walk home if I did not plan ahead when it snowed - both a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2006 Saab 9-3). Now I have AWD cars and now have a 2013 Subaru Legacy with 100,000 and it works well but burns a little oil - which I can live with. That is the only issue so far. I also own a 2018 Buick Envision with AWD. They both work well. Do I love Subaru? No. Do I think it is a good car for what I need - definitely. It is a luxury car (as CR just claimed the newest Legacy is in the latest paper issue)? Absolutely not.
@@digitaldoc100 yeah, I was surprised when the lady said Subarus were "peppy". Maybe the turbos. To be honest, it's been 10 years since I test drove one (a new Forester 4 speed auto, which was lousy for the time).
No current Honda Hybrid has a CVT or even a transmission. They have an engine and dual electric motors. The engine and the first motor act as a generator to power the second motor which drives the wheels (series hybrid)If the vehicle’s traveling at highway speeds with low load, the engine then can be coupled via a clutch to directly drive the wheels, if you start up an incline or pass, it decouples and runs in hybrid series again.
Loved your Subaru thoughts. My 2002 Subie hasn't been repaired yet because nothing has gone wrong with it. It amuses me that some folks hate the brand. My Outback is easily the best car I've owned.
Living 65 years in a snowbelt, and having owned lots of AWD Toyotas, and Subarus ... on the worst days, the Subarus always made it up the driveway... the Toyotas had to spend the night at the bottom of the driveway. Recently traded in my V6 RAV4 for a 2017 Outback 6 speed (Save the Manuals!"
Not the only thing they get wrong. Makes you wonder who or what are these "initial impressions" for, and who actually drove the car. Not this lot, by the looks of it. Great consumer advice
2:29 yes this is exactly why I don't trust Consumer Report's researches as they tend to have favoritism over domestic brands and tend to misinform and make non domestic brands look bad, unsubbed :(
These clowns are idiots. I was about to ask the dipshits what the CVT fluid change interval was. Figured it was a waste of time and their collective heads would explode. Dumbasses wouldn't know a CVT from their ass.
85 octane is available in much of the Rocky Mountains. 86 octane is also sometimes available in the Rockies. Either way 87 octane is considered mid-grade. There is less air pressure at higher elevations and the lower octane fuel reduces knocking in carbureted engines. Although many dealers say it is okay to use in modern vehicles no OEM recommends using anything less than 87 octane. The lower octane fuel can potentially interfere with modern engines especially those with fuel injection. I sometimes top off with 86 before driving 10,000 foot mountain passes in Southwest Colorado, but never use it regularly. My 2020 Subaru Outback Onyx XT seems to tolerate it well enough, but I don't want to cause any issues with the vehicle by saving a few bucks at the pump. By the way those paddle shifters are a lot of fun in the mountains. Save your brakes!
I have a 19 Honda Insight. Drive in Sport mode solves the loud engine issue. I drive mine in Sport mode all the time. City driving with cruise control in Sport Mode. Battery is charged to full most of the time. Ready to go.
I bought my first Subaru in 2018, the 2018 Subaru Crosstrek and then fell in love with it. Then I moved on to the 2020 Subaru Outback Onyx. I was never ever a Subaru fan but once I bought a Subaru my life has changed overnight! I love my car and will never buy anything else.
Welcome to the money pit! "...Subaru’s 5-10 year cost of ownership cost jumps up more than most mainstream automakers according to a study by Consumer Reports (by subscription). Consumer Reports looked at data from 25 car brands by asking car owners how much they paid out of pocket for total maintenance (oil changes, etc.) and repairs over the past 12 months. The average cost for a 5-year-old (2015 model) is $200. The average cost for a 10-year-old (2010 model): $458. Subaru vehicles incurred total out of pocket maintenance costs of $267 in year 5, and $500 in year 10 according to the survey. Of the 25 car brands, Subaru ranks number 17 highest in repair costs. Subaru’s 5-10 year cost of ownership Is higher than all but one other mainstream brand; Volkswagen." Torquenews
Disagree with Quince about the CR-V seats. I have taken multiple 10-hr road trips in mine and found them very comfortable. In fact, I was cross shopping with RAV4 and Forester and found the CRV’s seats to be the most comfortable. The engine noise is an issue though, but not a deal breaker for me because of the gainz in fuel economy and relatively good performance (I recorded 0-100km/h in 7.3 seconds many times).
I ran my 91 NSX on regular and I could still hit 145 on route 684. Yes the top speed was not there but after 91,000 miles I never had one repair. Therefore, I would love you to show a study where engine damage has resulted. If there is no engine knock, there is no mechanical damage.
The problem is that the average driver wouldn't recognize knocking until they probably punched a hole in their pistons. Some cars do a better job of retarding the timing should knocking occur.
Please readdress the Octane 85 question in regards to altitude, which you all apparently missed. It’s very routine in the High Altitude Rocky Mountains.
Subarus are fairly good cars. They are up and down on reliability - some have bad head gaskets in the older years. Then after 2010 they burned oil, but no longer had head gasket issues. Now they have problems with the CVT torque converter under heavy loads in the snow. CR only monitors three years of reliability, so take a look at 2014 Forrester - even CR sees some engine and transmission problems. Subarus are pretty good, but they are definitely not as good as Toyota or even GM on their better models (the Buick Envision is much above average for example).
11:58 Unless you live in a completely flat area in the middle of nowhere (no mountains, no traffic) where the only time you need to brake is when approaching your destination, the hybrid system absolutely helps highway driving. Sure the gain in highway mpg is less dramatic than the gain in city mpg, but those highway gains are accumulated at a much higher speed and hence much greater number of miles. 12mpg gain in the city over ~5 miles of driving, vs 1+ mpg gain on the highway over potentially hundreds of miles of driving.
It’s true that hybrid mpg favors stop-and-go. However, highway fuel economy also benefits from the hybrid’s ICE Atkinson cycle, which is more efficient than the conventional Otto cycle.
@@turboclaybird Right. The Atkinson cycle engine is very efficient cruising, but weak on delivering startup power. But when mated to the hybrid's electric motor, it all works well.
The beard is a huge improvement Mike. Never shave again...but I digress: Subarus are way overrated. Sure, they're sure-footed in the snow but that doesn't outweigh the transmission and head gasket problems that most Subarus are famous for. The fact that Stockburger's parents have owned 7 over the relatively short life span of the Forester gives me pause. Even CRs reliability ratings drop as the cars age . Take a look at the 2010 Forester which made CR's recommended list. You guys are just part of the collective. P.S. Cross-country trips are a lot easier with frequent hotel stops. Don't be too ambitious in terms of hours on the road.
Exactly. CR’s ratings are misleading. As long as it’s reliable for 3 years they claim a good reliability history even if by the 4th year it turns into a mushroom cloud.
My first new car was a 95 Subaru Impreza which I drove trouble free for 22 years. In that time my family switched to Subaru. Both of my sisters and my Dad are now loyal Subaru owners. I don’t recall ever telling them to go out and buy them it just sorta happened organically. That head gasket issue is from 15-20 years ago and people never stop talking about it. It’s like if people constantly pointed out how Explorers all roll over or Audi’s all have unintended acceleration. There is no way Subaru’s sale would have gone sharply up since 1995 if they were that unreliable look at Fiat/Chrysler, Mitsubishi. All that being said Toyota is without a doubt the most reliable automaker hands down. I think Subaru, Mazda and Honda are in the next tier down, not because they are bad but just because Toyota is just that good. Also the sometimes over the top “feel good vibes/we love dogs” marketing is spot on genius for the market they are targeting though is tough to stomach at times for this grouchy middle aged guy.
Some AWD trivia: Toyota did have an AWD Camry back in the late 80's called the Camry All Trac. It wasn't a popular seller though and only lasted for about three years.
Higher octane means that the fuel is harder to ignite. higher octane fuels are used in high performance engines running at higher pressures. higher pressures means more efficient power production but also means you need a more robust engine design to contain the pressures. at high altitude oxygen percentage is lower and it is harder to ignite fuel hence the need to lower the octane. lowering octane makes fuel easier to ignite at a lower prressure. turbo engines and especially diesels suffer less power loss than nonaspirated gasoline engines at high altitude. using lower octane fuel than recommended will lower your max horsepower. modern electonic fuel injected engines will adapt to the lower octane resulting in lower horsepower. before converting to diesel and eventually to JP8 (jet fuel) the army used mogas for jeeps and tanks and used higher octane (aviation gas) in its piston driven prop engines. manufacturers recommend a certain octane to give the customer the best perforance that the car is designed for. in the days of carburetors engines could be damaged by premature detonation but today's electronic fuel systems automatically compensate for changes in fuel and oxygen. the biggest issue with fuel is not the octane but the quality of the additives and the percentage of ethanol. ethanol attracts water from the air and too much ethanol will destroy an engine not designed for E85. Most cars will be able to run on 10% ethanol mix.
I know I wish they would of researched this more to find out why they don’t have 87. I moved from KC where we had 87 and 85 is E85. I’m gonna go to the VW dealership and ask them I guess.
@@nmende00 I would add, the spark in a gasoline car is what ignites the fuel, not the compression. The possible issue is premature ignition. At higher altitude the air is less dense, thus the amount of fuel that can be burned is decreased. Less fuel with all else being equal means less power.
@@rightlanehog3151 Pedro saved allot of money not riding the bus but he is going to need hearing aides soon as those old Japanese cars didn't have focus on sound deadening until a few years after release and the media went crazy!
I live at sea level but travel to northern Nevada 5000ft plus and all stations have octane ratings a few points lower than where I live. The thinking is less dense air at altitude lowers compression and the car can run on lower octane.
One option for the question on the road trip at the end. Maybe rent the car you are thinking about for a day beforehand and drive a few hours locally to test first before committing on such a long road trip with it. Also Volvo and the Nissan are generally considered to have the best seats. Find something that has adjustable Lumbar. Also consider maybe paying extra for a more expensive car that has massaging passenger seats.
CRV doesn't have a CVT. Please stop dumbing down the powertrain layout. If consumers can understand the basics of manual or traditional automatic, they should be able to understand the Honda hybrid powertrain. Please also stop using the term CVT to describe powersplit transmissions in Toyota and Ford products. Instead talk about the benefits of powersplit over a CVT. Mainly the improvement in reliability.
Exactly correct - the CRV Hybrid DOES NOT HAVE ANY transmission! It does have a clutch that can lock the engine at certain speeds but other than that the motor only generates electricity. I expect CR to get this right......
The Honda system in particular really has only a one speed transmission, it uses electric motors off the line, up until about 40 MPH where the ICE engine, in addition to turning a generator, direct drives a one speed transmission. The engine flare under hard low speed acceleration is caused by the engine spinning a generator which provides more power to the electric motors. It acts like a CVT at times, but it isn't a CVT.
Speaking of reliability I suspect the proven 2.0L Engine in the CRV hybrid will be more reliable than the 1.5 Turbo in the regular model - not to mention the lack of a transmission CVT to maintain.
As a long-time Colorado resident I must state that 85 octane is routinely substituted for 87 octane. Interesting that you now support using manufacturer recommended octanes, as in previous CU articles you have said that using high octane fuels is unnecessary and monetarily wasteful - as modern vehicles have knock sensors to prevent damage.
The CR-V and the Accord hybrids do not really have a transmission at all. Honda refers to it as an e-CVT just to make it easier for consumers to understand since the operation of the gas engine can mimic a vehicle with an CVT. I think a good technical explanation of how the system works would be a benefit to people. The basics of how it works are not too complicated to understand and would help people understand why the engine does what it does in these vehicles. This a great video explaining it: th-cam.com/video/-P_VChtMGK8/w-d-xo.html
I don’t understand the reviewer’s detailed complaint about the “CVT” that isn’t present in the vehicle. Are these reviewers doing no research in advance?
Replace head gasket with a head gasket used and turbo engines make sure is the same design also the same head and block design make a little difference in a gasket for a turbo engine this will fix your head gasket problem for good,thanks you and God bless you.
Too bad because my Accord hybrid with the same power train works really well and gets incredible mileage. The Atkinson cycle engine is noisy on heavy acceleration, but it’s not an overriding issue. It could be that an SUV isn’t an ideal platform for a hybrid because it needs to run the gas engine too much.
I think the problem is that while designers of the 10th gen Accord considered how the hybrid powertrain will be implemented, the designers of the 5th gen didn't because Honda didn't think about adding a hybrid powertrain to the 5th gen back in 2016. Maybe the 6th gen will be better and that should come in 2022.
It’s not the CVT that’s the problems it’s the loud intrusive engine and the horrible reliability ( from Nissan). I have a CVT in my Lexus ls600hl and it is extremely smooth, engine noise is incredibly quiet and reliability is bulletproof.
I have the ES300h and actually they're eCVTs, not the "traditional" kind. Mine is very quiet except you can tell it's a 4 cylinder when you try to accelerate fast; it sounds very course and un-Lexus-like.
I have owned a CR-V Hybrid since the end of March. I do agree about the engine noise is a bit loud. However you are totally wrong about the transmission. It is called an ECVT but that is just a name. It has a fixed gear ration. The engine does not even engage the drivetrain til about 45mph. At lower speeds the engine only drives the generator that is why it spins up. At freeway speeds the engine will be directly connected to the drivetrain while cruise. When you need to accelerate like going up a steep hill it reverts to the engine running the generator and spinning up. Also as far as the octane is concerned. Being that the person is from Denver. Octanes are lower at higher altitudes.
Well done for the CRV first impressions , saying what the car has, when it hasn't (CVT) , what the car does, when it doesn't ( engine on all the time, noisy) and boasting mpg when your real world figures will show far worse, because it is really clear how you drove the car. What a disservice you have just provided.
The reason most people buy a hybrid is for the increased fuel economy. Increased fuel economy and punch off the line don't go together. People who want drag racers should not look at hybrids. The big reason I would not by a CR-V hybrid is the lack of a spare tire. I have fixed too many flats on the side of the road to go without a spare. I don't understand why Honda leaves them out of their hybrids.
many hybrids have smaller cargo areas due to the battery pack. deleting the spare tire makes the vehicle lighter which improves mpg and makes people less likely to notice the loss of cargo space. the awd version of the toyoa minivan comes with out a spare bc the awd system takes up so much space and toyota's fix for this was to have it come with run flat tires.
The Denver resident who asked about octane, you have less oxygen one mile up. Less oxygen means the volatility of your gasoline is less, it’s a lot harder to ignite and burn at that altitude. Less volatility means you can use a lower octane gasoline with less risk of pinging and knocking. So in theory you should be perfectly fine running 85 octane. But as the CR staff points out an unscrupulous manufacturer may use that against you should you make a warranty claim down the road.
I was googling 85 octane and found some info on Quora that seems to be relevant. Apparently 85 octane was intended to reduce knock at high for engines that use carburetors. With modern engines using fuel injection, the ECU will automatically adjust for altitude, and as such, 85 octane is not recommended for vehicles designed to run on 87, as engine issues could result. Bottom line: use whatever octane is stated in the vehicle owner’s manual.
I am surprised nobody at CR figured out that "regular" is 85 octane in the mountain west. Those that live at high elevations see 85 octane "regular" all the time. With normally aspirated cars it's not a problem, the thinner air (lower ambient pressure) means less pressure at TDC and no detonation, even though the octane rating is lower. With turbocharged engines, it may not be as straight forward, as part of the advantage turbocharging has at high elevation is lower loss of performance than NA engines. I would look for a higher octane than "regular" if you have a turbocharged engine anywhere regular is 85 octane.
On the issue of gas octane: Recommended vs required! Views differ wildly on this, especially among "experts". Yes, I'm confused. Besides, how long does it take for the "damage" to occur by the use of lower octane gas vs what is mentioned in the manual? That, to me, is a very important factor to consider, depending on how long one keeps his/her vehicle (and how well one maintains it).
It is simple really. When you see recommended it means for the best performance, you need to use that octane. However, those engines have computer controls that can adjust for lower octane and in most situations can use lower octane (as long as you don't hear engine knock - if you do, go back up in octane). For required I would not go down in octane because in that case the computers don't adjust and you probably will get engine knock and eventually engine damage from pre-detonation.
It could destroy your engine in 5 minutes, or 5 years. Each car is different. Running too low an octane can cause an engine to "knock", meaning the fuel is exploding before the piston reaches the top of its stroke, which can punch a hole in the piston. Cars will often compensate for low octane fuel by retarding the timing, to stop the knock. The problem tends to be that people don't notice, or pay attention, to an engine knock, and can cause serious damage. Engine repair is so massively expensive, I wouldn't want to save pennies on gasoline.
Very much disagree on the octane comments. If there is no premature detonation its fine. Also recommended and required are not the same thing. Additionally, recommending premium does not mean you cannot use regular, and it does not mean that your warranty is violated.
I have a Subaru forester 2014 and its peppy to drive and the suspension is stiff and uncomfortable on bad roads. I have doubt on CVT reliability and the cost of service is high which is comparable to BMW cars. My 60k service cost is around 2000$ which include 4 brake pad replacement, front and rear differential oil exchange, brake oil change, wheel alignment,all spark plug replaced, Fuel injection and induction cleaning, oil filter and oil change, AC odor service, cabin filter change, replaced all gaskets during service, tire rotation, all fluids topup
Did you take it anywhere else before hand to see if you needed that stuff? And what does "replaced all gaskets" mean? If you mean the crush ring they cost a dealer about a dime each. There is absolutely no way you needed induction cleaning unless the fuel you use is incredibly poor quality or the AC service. You got ripped off if you spent two grand for a 60k mile service and you should never, EVER have a dealer replace brake pads, engine air or cabin air filters. You can order the exact same parts from Subaru directly for a third of what most dealers charge in those "service packages" and any independent shop or chain like Midas or NTB can do the same work for about half the price. Plus most of the time Midas, etc warranty their brakes for life so you can go back every few years as they wear out and get them replaced for just the labor cost. You shouldn't complain about how expensive something is if you are the worst consumer on the planet. Be a better consumer.
I found three of the questions quite relevant, but the answers not very complete. The Subaru answer should have had more specifics about past serious issues, and when your data showed correction, especially the well known head gasket problem. The Octane question I was surprised you did not know or mention that it has been common in rocky mountain states for higher elevations.. The new Venza question is also off the mark, given the shared major components, which includes the power-train that is in multiple US vehicles and the common interior/exterior Harrier components, you would be hard pressed to identify what is actually for this vehicle. I would think you would do more research for your answers.
Wow very surprising about the CR-V hybrid being so noisy. I don't like the seats in the CR-V because they feel like they have too much low back curve pushing into my lower back, even with the lumbar adjustment set all the way to minimum, but perhaps it's the firmness of cushioning that Mike Q is talking about that I noticed. I had the same feeling about the seats in the Odyssey. The Passport and Pilot seats seemed more comfortable to me, except for the very top of the back where I wanted the seat to either have more cushion or just go higher up. I'm 6 foot but a smaller person might not have this issue.
had impreza rs - headgaskets 60K and 120K 2008 sti - ringlands :-( subarus are reliable but models have specific issues that owners are too ashamed to admit
I know quite a few Subaru owners and am on my third (a 2015 Forester XT). They tend to factor that stuff in as "routine maintenance" when it comes to cost of ownership. It doesn't sour your experience if you go in with realistic expectations.
I disagree about the CRV not being quiet. My 2021 is noticeably more quiet and the gas mileage is much better than the non hybrid CRV's. The ride is also much smoother. Maybe you don't see much of an improvement because the non CRV is already a great car.
The 85 octane question: You guys are too isolated in your low lands east coast area. 85 octane is the norm and completely acceptable in high altitude regions. You all need to take some cross-country road trips 😉
Sorry but Honda is not the same as it used to. It now ranks behind Toyota and Nissan. Honda fans should swallow their pride. Being on the top ten list hasn't been on Honda's vocabulary anymore.
Based on what? My 2013 Subaru now has 100,000 miles and I replaced the spark plugs once at 90,000 miles. No issues at all. I do replace lightbulbs more frequently, but that is an incremental cost. Otherwise not really fixing anything just regular maintenance. It has been one of the cheaper cars I have owned to maintain.
Raja is either a liar or an idiot (possibly both) if you read the laundry list of things supposedly done to his car. You can't blame Subaru for you being a bad consumer. My Crosstrek was the cheapest to own/maintain I ever had and my Forester XT is only slightly more expensive than it, but still a lot less than any truck or Jeep I've ever owned.
@@RajaSekar-USA You definitely were ripped off. I checked my invoice for 60K and it was only $531.17. That includes all the lengthly inspections and air filter. I did not replace the spark plugs until 90,000 miles because everyone reports they last 100,000 because they are tintainum plugs. That ads another $500 so my cost is about half of yours.
I use shell exxon bp and sometimes marathon. 87 octane. Sometimes I run a tank of premium sometimes to clean the fuel sock the injectors. Would like to see cr test top tier gas brands and see which one comes out on top. Years ago exxon was the best followed by shell.
Top tier indicates a minimum amount of additives in the gas. Federal law also specifies a smaller amount of additives required. You won’t necessarily see a “best” top tier gas with more additives.
At the risk of being snarky, I would say that while a Subaru might be a great car, you just have to not care what it looks like. From an aesthetic point of view, I could not see myself ever buying one. Plus I had an awful experience with a gutless Outback rental that I drove from Portland to Seattle. It was awful.
TFL side by side mileage comparison Toyota Rav 4 hybrid and Honda CRV. Hybrid. Rav 4 killed the CRV hybrid by 6 miles per gallon. Toyota has mastered the hybrid after 20 years experience. Alex Auto tested and Rav 4 hybrid beat CRV hybrid 0-60 mph by almost one second. Bottom line the CRV hybrid is a dog.
InternetDude That was proved years ago and still holds true. AMC was the unquestionable leader in all-wheel drive/4-wheel drive. Remember: "Jeep Wrote the Book on 4-wheel Drive".
I realize the hybrid and non hybrid CRV'S both have CVT's. So that's probably not the root problem with increased engine noise. I think there are two factors. The non-hybrid is turbo charged. So in essence it has a lot of torque down low so the CVT can be tuned to produce reasonable acceleration without revving the engine much. Add to this the fact the turbo does also reduce exhaust noise a little as it acts as a baffle in the exhaust. Then you have the hybrid where the gas engine is used to generate the electricity for the motors. If you ask it for much more power, the gas engine will power up to high revs to produce max electricity for brisk acceleration and the RPMs have no relation to actual variation of speed. I think it mainly a matter of tuning the electric power and electricity demand for acceleration. It appears its not as well tuned in the CRV as some others.
But it’s saying that in Colorado because if the high altitude they could go as low as 85 octane. As far as Subaru, well they’re all over the states that snows so it’s like looking at camrys but Subaru’s this time
Yes I have one and it is excellent, I injured my back last year and have a lot of tailbone pain after sitting for extended periods of time. I got a Purple seat cushion with a Purple mattress order and could not be happier.
Sooooo sick of Subaru obsession. They are not all that great. Clunky, so-so ride. middling comfort. Whatevs. It's a car, just a car. Not worth the price - which is largely inflexible with years of blithering praise.
Subaru rebuilt our engine twice and still using oil . Our transmission went out at 80,000 miles and now the AC condenser needs to be replaced . What a piece of shit . Stay away from Subaru .
I would only tolerate a CVT in a hybrid as a necessary compromise for the MPG gain. Every time I start gnashing my teeth at my Prius Prime’s CVT, I remind myself: “This is what an annual average of 107MPG sounds like...”
The CR-V doesn't have a CVT in the conventional sense. It is driven by an electric motor until you get up to highway speeds then a clutch will connect the engine, just like the Insight. If there's a noise issue it may be because they removed some sound insulation in the hybrid or tuned the exhaust to maximize fuel economy and power instead minimizing noise.
Tha Accord Hybrid also has that same transmission. Consumers considering a Honda hybrid simply need to get used to the powertrain because the hybrid powertrain has a different feeling compare to the non hybrid version.
While i also hate my cvt transmission i believe that a CVT transmission should act like a CVT. When you get a CVT that does the fake shifting it defeats the purpose of having the car maximize efficiency and the powerband of the engine. Cars that fake shift and play engine noise through the speakers are more lame than any "honest" car.
I’m happy to see the question about “ Subaru popularity with reviewers” addressed here. I bought my wife a new 2015 Subaru in December 2014. While it is a good car and has overall served us well-especially in winter driving, it certainly has its flaws. The CD player failed just after the warranty lapsed. Turns out that problem is well-known. The winter package is over-rated-the defrosters aren’t very good at clearing the windshield. I could go on. Again, it is a good car, but I don’t understand the overwhelming love for Subaru by many reviewers, including CR.
I think it is because every car comes with AWD. Living in the northeast on a mountain, I need AWD as snow tires don't cut it on a FWD car (I tried, and had to walk home if I did not plan ahead when it snowed - both a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2006 Saab 9-3). Now I have AWD cars and now have a 2013 Subaru Legacy with 100,000 and it works well but burns a little oil - which I can live with. That is the only issue so far. I also own a 2018 Buick Envision with AWD. They both work well. Do I love Subaru? No. Do I think it is a good car for what I need - definitely. It is a luxury car (as CR just claimed the newest Legacy is in the latest paper issue)? Absolutely not.
Agree, and no great love by enthusiasts as the whole bottom of the line- Crosstrek, Forester, and Impreza are all underpowered.
@@digitaldoc100 yeah, I was surprised when the lady said Subarus were "peppy". Maybe the turbos. To be honest, it's been 10 years since I test drove one (a new Forester 4 speed auto, which was lousy for the time).
No current Honda Hybrid has a CVT or even a transmission. They have an engine and dual electric motors. The engine and the first motor act as a generator to power the second motor which drives the wheels (series hybrid)If the vehicle’s traveling at highway speeds with low load, the engine then can be coupled via a clutch to directly drive the wheels, if you start up an incline or pass, it decouples and runs in hybrid series again.
Loved your Subaru thoughts. My 2002 Subie hasn't been repaired yet because nothing has gone wrong with it. It amuses me that some folks hate the brand. My Outback is easily the best car I've owned.
Living 65 years in a snowbelt, and having owned lots of AWD Toyotas, and Subarus ... on the worst days, the Subarus always made it up the driveway... the Toyotas had to spend the night at the bottom of the driveway. Recently traded in my V6 RAV4 for a 2017 Outback 6 speed (Save the Manuals!"
It doesn’t have a CVT. Alex on Autos explains Honda hybrid very well if anyone interested.
Exactly, if you want to see a proper and indepth review watch Alex on Autos th-cam.com/video/-e5PVneilU0/w-d-xo.html
Not the only thing they get wrong. Makes you wonder who or what are these "initial impressions" for, and who actually drove the car. Not this lot, by the looks of it. Great consumer advice
2:29 yes this is exactly why I don't trust Consumer Report's researches as they tend to have favoritism over domestic brands and tend to misinform and make non domestic brands look bad, unsubbed :(
These clowns are idiots.
I was about to ask the dipshits what the CVT fluid change interval was.
Figured it was a waste of time and their collective heads would explode.
Dumbasses wouldn't know a CVT from their ass.
85 octane is available in much of the Rocky Mountains. 86 octane is also sometimes available in the Rockies. Either way 87 octane is considered mid-grade. There is less air pressure at higher elevations and the lower octane fuel reduces knocking in carbureted engines. Although many dealers say it is okay to use in modern vehicles no OEM recommends using anything less than 87 octane. The lower octane fuel can potentially interfere with modern engines especially those with fuel injection. I sometimes top off with 86 before driving 10,000 foot mountain passes in Southwest Colorado, but never use it regularly. My 2020 Subaru Outback Onyx XT seems to tolerate it well enough, but I don't want to cause any issues with the vehicle by saving a few bucks at the pump. By the way those paddle shifters are a lot of fun in the mountains. Save your brakes!
I have a 19 Honda Insight. Drive in Sport mode solves the loud engine issue. I drive mine in Sport mode all the time. City driving with cruise control in Sport Mode. Battery is charged to full most of the time. Ready to go.
We got our first Subaru in late 2017. Now we traded in our other cars for a subaru, bringing the total to 4 Subarus 😆
After my entire family walked out of a Subaru in a pretty serious car crash unharmed, I was sold.
I bought my first Subaru in 2018, the 2018 Subaru Crosstrek and then fell in love with it. Then I moved on to the 2020 Subaru Outback Onyx. I was never ever a Subaru fan but once I bought a Subaru my life has changed overnight! I love my car and will never buy anything else.
Welcome to the money pit!
"...Subaru’s 5-10 year cost of ownership cost jumps up more than most mainstream automakers according to a study by Consumer Reports (by subscription).
Consumer Reports looked at data from 25 car brands by asking car owners how much they paid out of pocket for total maintenance (oil changes, etc.) and repairs over the past 12 months. The average cost for a 5-year-old (2015 model) is $200. The average cost for a 10-year-old (2010 model): $458.
Subaru vehicles incurred total out of pocket maintenance costs of $267 in year 5, and $500 in year 10 according to the survey. Of the 25 car brands, Subaru ranks number 17 highest in repair costs. Subaru’s 5-10 year cost of ownership Is higher than all but one other mainstream brand; Volkswagen." Torquenews
Disagree with Quince about the CR-V seats. I have taken multiple 10-hr road trips in mine and found them very comfortable. In fact, I was cross shopping with RAV4 and Forester and found the CRV’s seats to be the most comfortable. The engine noise is an issue though, but not a deal breaker for me because of the gainz in fuel economy and relatively good performance (I recorded 0-100km/h in 7.3 seconds many times).
comfort is subjective. the only way to know if a seat is comfortable for you is to actually sit in it for an extended period of time.
I ran my 91 NSX on regular and I could still hit 145 on route 684. Yes the top speed was not there but after 91,000 miles I never had one repair. Therefore, I would love you to show a study where engine damage has resulted. If there is no engine knock, there is no mechanical damage.
The problem is that the average driver wouldn't recognize knocking until they probably punched a hole in their pistons. Some cars do a better job of retarding the timing should knocking occur.
Please readdress the Octane 85 question in regards to altitude, which you all apparently missed. It’s very routine in the High Altitude Rocky Mountains.
85 is still not good for any car with a turbo engine (which is a LOT of newer vehicles).
Subarus are fairly good cars. They are up and down on reliability - some have bad head gaskets in the older years. Then after 2010 they burned oil, but no longer had head gasket issues. Now they have problems with the CVT torque converter under heavy loads in the snow. CR only monitors three years of reliability, so take a look at 2014 Forrester - even CR sees some engine and transmission problems. Subarus are pretty good, but they are definitely not as good as Toyota or even GM on their better models (the Buick Envision is much above average for example).
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Unless you live in a completely flat area in the middle of nowhere (no mountains, no traffic) where the only time you need to brake is when approaching your destination, the hybrid system absolutely helps highway driving. Sure the gain in highway mpg is less dramatic than the gain in city mpg, but those highway gains are accumulated at a much higher speed and hence much greater number of miles. 12mpg gain in the city over ~5 miles of driving, vs 1+ mpg gain on the highway over potentially hundreds of miles of driving.
yan-Deriction nice point. I’ve seen the EV mode kick in while going downhill on an interstate at 70mph.
It’s true that hybrid mpg favors stop-and-go. However, highway fuel economy also benefits from the hybrid’s ICE Atkinson cycle, which is more efficient than the conventional Otto cycle.
@@turboclaybird Right. The Atkinson cycle engine is very efficient cruising, but weak on delivering startup power. But when mated to the hybrid's electric motor, it all works well.
The beard is a huge improvement Mike. Never shave again...but I digress: Subarus are way overrated. Sure, they're sure-footed in the snow but that doesn't outweigh the transmission and head gasket problems that most Subarus are famous for. The fact that Stockburger's parents have owned 7 over the relatively short life span of the Forester gives me pause. Even CRs reliability ratings drop as the cars age . Take a look at the 2010 Forester which made CR's recommended list. You guys are just part of the collective. P.S. Cross-country trips are a lot easier with frequent hotel stops. Don't be too ambitious in terms of hours on the road.
Exactly. CR’s ratings are misleading. As long as it’s reliable for 3 years they claim a good reliability history even if by the 4th year it turns into a mushroom cloud.
Head gasket issues? Is it 2020 or 2002?
My first new car was a 95 Subaru Impreza which I drove trouble free for 22 years. In that time my family switched to Subaru. Both of my sisters and my Dad are now loyal Subaru owners. I don’t recall ever telling them to go out and buy them it just sorta happened organically. That head gasket issue is from 15-20 years ago and people never stop talking about it. It’s like if people constantly pointed out how Explorers all roll over or Audi’s all have unintended acceleration. There is no way Subaru’s sale would have gone sharply up since 1995 if they were that unreliable look at Fiat/Chrysler, Mitsubishi. All that being said Toyota is without a doubt the most reliable automaker hands down. I think Subaru, Mazda and Honda are in the next tier down, not because they are bad but just because Toyota is just that good. Also the sometimes over the top “feel good vibes/we love dogs” marketing is spot on genius for the market they are targeting though is tough to stomach at times for this grouchy middle aged guy.
Some AWD trivia: Toyota did have an AWD Camry back in the late 80's called the Camry All Trac. It wasn't a popular seller though and only lasted for about three years.
Higher altitude areas offer different octane gasoline than in lower altitudes. Please address this.
Higher octane means that the fuel is harder to ignite. higher octane fuels are used in high performance engines running at higher pressures. higher pressures means more efficient power production but also means you need a more robust engine design to contain the pressures. at high altitude oxygen percentage is lower and it is harder to ignite fuel hence the need to lower the octane. lowering octane makes fuel easier to ignite at a lower prressure. turbo engines and especially diesels suffer less power loss than nonaspirated gasoline engines at high altitude. using lower octane fuel than recommended will lower your max horsepower. modern electonic fuel injected engines will adapt to the lower octane resulting in lower horsepower. before converting to diesel and eventually to JP8 (jet fuel) the army used mogas for jeeps and tanks and used higher octane (aviation gas) in its piston driven prop engines. manufacturers recommend a certain octane to give the customer the best perforance that the car is designed for. in the days of carburetors engines could be damaged by premature detonation but today's electronic fuel systems automatically compensate for changes in fuel and oxygen. the biggest issue with fuel is not the octane but the quality of the additives and the percentage of ethanol. ethanol attracts water from the air and too much ethanol will destroy an engine not designed for E85. Most cars will be able to run on 10% ethanol mix.
I know I wish they would of researched this more to find out why they don’t have 87. I moved from KC where we had 87 and 85 is E85. I’m gonna go to the VW dealership and ask them I guess.
@@nmende00 I would add, the spark in a gasoline car is what ignites the fuel, not the compression. The possible issue is premature ignition. At higher altitude the air is less dense, thus the amount of fuel that can be burned is decreased. Less fuel with all else being equal means less power.
Starting in 1984, I've had only 3 Toyotas up to now. Enough said.
Smart!
Mic drop!
@@rightlanehog3151 Pedro saved allot of money not riding the bus but he is going to need hearing aides soon as those old Japanese cars didn't have focus on sound deadening until a few years after release and the media went crazy!
I live at sea level but travel to northern Nevada 5000ft plus and all stations have octane ratings a few points lower than where I live. The thinking is less dense air at altitude lowers compression and the car can run on lower octane.
How could they get something so wrong by thinking the CR-V has a CVT? Just because the engine winds up doesn’t mean it is a CVT!
One option for the question on the road trip at the end. Maybe rent the car you are thinking about for a day beforehand and drive a few hours locally to test first before committing on such a long road trip with it. Also Volvo and the Nissan are generally considered to have the best seats. Find something that has adjustable Lumbar. Also consider maybe paying extra for a more expensive car that has massaging passenger seats.
Sure, when we win the lottery
Higher octane at sea-level than at altitude. Any South African who’s bought petrol in both Cape Town (yay!) and Johannesburg knows that 😀🇿🇦
the only big concerns w/ past ten yrs of Subaru r the long term durability of the 2.5l engines & the CVT trans's-- serious money.
CRV doesn't have a CVT. Please stop dumbing down the powertrain layout. If consumers can understand the basics of manual or traditional automatic, they should be able to understand the Honda hybrid powertrain. Please also stop using the term CVT to describe powersplit transmissions in Toyota and Ford products. Instead talk about the benefits of powersplit over a CVT. Mainly the improvement in reliability.
Exactly correct - the CRV Hybrid DOES NOT HAVE ANY transmission! It does have a clutch that can lock the engine at certain speeds but other than that the motor only generates electricity. I expect CR to get this right......
The Honda system in particular really has only a one speed transmission, it uses electric motors off the line, up until about 40 MPH where the ICE engine, in addition to turning a generator, direct drives a one speed transmission. The engine flare under hard low speed acceleration is caused by the engine spinning a generator which provides more power to the electric motors. It acts like a CVT at times, but it isn't a CVT.
saeed loghavi What are you talking about? Honda has been using a CVT in the CRV since 2015
not sure which country you are in but in usa crv offers two different cvt transmissions. automobiles.honda.com/cr-v/specs-features-trim-comparison
Austin C But not in the hybrid version.
Speaking of reliability I suspect the proven 2.0L Engine in the CRV hybrid will be more reliable than the 1.5 Turbo in the regular model - not to mention the lack of a transmission CVT to maintain.
I believe octane requirements go down with altitude. I remember 85 octane gasoline when I traveled to higher altitude areas of the country.
Not if your engine has a turbo.
Seems silly that your first thing about Subaru wasn't the reputation for safety.
At first I was like “who’s the new guy?”
As a long-time Colorado resident I must state that 85 octane is routinely substituted for 87 octane. Interesting that you now support using manufacturer recommended octanes, as in previous CU articles you have said that using high octane fuels is unnecessary and monetarily wasteful - as modern vehicles have knock sensors to prevent damage.
The CR-V and the Accord hybrids do not really have a transmission at all. Honda refers to it as an e-CVT just to make it easier for consumers to understand since the operation of the gas engine can mimic a vehicle with an CVT. I think a good technical explanation of how the system works would be a benefit to people. The basics of how it works are not too complicated to understand and would help people understand why the engine does what it does in these vehicles. This a great video explaining it: th-cam.com/video/-P_VChtMGK8/w-d-xo.html
Before I clicked the link, I had a feeling I would see Alex, haha.
I don’t understand the reviewer’s detailed complaint about the “CVT” that isn’t present in the vehicle. Are these reviewers doing no research in advance?
Replace head gasket with a head gasket used and turbo engines make sure is the same design also the same head and block design make a little difference in a gasket for a turbo engine this will fix your head gasket problem for good,thanks you and God bless you.
Too bad because my Accord hybrid with the same power train works really well and gets incredible mileage. The Atkinson cycle engine is noisy on heavy acceleration, but it’s not an overriding issue. It could be that an SUV isn’t an ideal platform for a hybrid because it needs to run the gas engine too much.
I think the problem is that while designers of the 10th gen Accord considered how the hybrid powertrain will be implemented, the designers of the 5th gen didn't because Honda didn't think about adding a hybrid powertrain to the 5th gen back in 2016. Maybe the 6th gen will be better and that should come in 2022.
Great to see Quincy Back!
It’s not the CVT that’s the problems it’s the loud intrusive engine and the horrible reliability ( from Nissan). I have a CVT in my Lexus ls600hl and it is extremely smooth, engine noise is incredibly quiet and reliability is bulletproof.
I have the ES300h and actually they're eCVTs, not the "traditional" kind. Mine is very quiet except you can tell it's a 4 cylinder when you try to accelerate fast; it sounds very course and un-Lexus-like.
I live in California and I've never seen 85 octane. I guess 85 octane it's only available is certain states.
I have owned a CR-V Hybrid since the end of March. I do agree about the engine noise is a bit loud. However you are totally wrong about the transmission. It is called an ECVT but that is just a name. It has a fixed gear ration. The engine does not even engage the drivetrain til about 45mph. At lower speeds the engine only drives the generator that is why it spins up. At freeway speeds the engine will be directly connected to the drivetrain while cruise. When you need to accelerate like going up a steep hill it reverts to the engine running the generator and spinning up.
Also as far as the octane is concerned. Being that the person is from Denver. Octanes are lower at higher altitudes.
Just test drove the CRV Hybrid and liked it a lot. Curious to know how happy you are with it since you've had it for 7 months now. Thx
Well done for the CRV first impressions , saying what the car has, when it hasn't (CVT) , what the car does, when it doesn't ( engine on all the time, noisy) and boasting mpg when your real world figures will show far worse, because it is really clear how you drove the car. What a disservice you have just provided.
The reason most people buy a hybrid is for the increased fuel economy. Increased fuel economy and punch off the line don't go together. People who want drag racers should not look at hybrids. The big reason I would not by a CR-V hybrid is the lack of a spare tire. I have fixed too many flats on the side of the road to go without a spare. I don't understand why Honda leaves them out of their hybrids.
Amos Soma I bought the Jetta Hybrid for the performance. Turbo + electric + dual clutch = fun. Economy was an afterthought.
Wow. I haven't had a flat in over 20 years. Might I recommend AAA.
I side with CR on this. One of the hidden delights of my Prius is how zippy it is off the line in urban driving.
many hybrids have smaller cargo areas due to the battery pack. deleting the spare tire makes the vehicle lighter which improves mpg and makes people less likely to notice the loss of cargo space. the awd version of the toyoa minivan comes with out a spare bc the awd system takes up so much space and toyota's fix for this was to have it come with run flat tires.
If the price is reasonable, I think the soon to come RAV4 Prime will be the segment leader for fuel efficient compact crossovers.
There is no CVT in the Hybrid CRV, It's direct drive
Very good point raised regarding seat covers etc. interfering with airbags.
The Denver resident who asked about octane, you have less oxygen one mile up. Less oxygen means the volatility of your gasoline is less, it’s a lot harder to ignite and burn at that altitude. Less volatility means you can use a lower octane gasoline with less risk of pinging and knocking. So in theory you should be perfectly fine running 85 octane. But as the CR staff points out an unscrupulous manufacturer may use that against you should you make a warranty claim down the road.
I was googling 85 octane and found some info on Quora that seems to be relevant. Apparently 85 octane was intended to reduce knock at high for engines that use carburetors. With modern engines using fuel injection, the ECU will automatically adjust for altitude, and as such, 85 octane is not recommended for vehicles designed to run on 87, as engine issues could result. Bottom line: use whatever octane is stated in the vehicle owner’s manual.
But if hardly any cars can run on 85 and most require 87. Why would Costco only sell 85 and 91? Doesn’t make good business sense to me.
Mountain region regular is 85 octane
I am surprised nobody at CR figured out that "regular" is 85 octane in the mountain west. Those that live at high elevations see 85 octane "regular" all the time. With normally aspirated cars it's not a problem, the thinner air (lower ambient pressure) means less pressure at TDC and no detonation, even though the octane rating is lower. With turbocharged engines, it may not be as straight forward, as part of the advantage turbocharging has at high elevation is lower loss of performance than NA engines. I would look for a higher octane than "regular" if you have a turbocharged engine anywhere regular is 85 octane.
On the issue of gas octane: Recommended vs required! Views differ wildly on this, especially among "experts". Yes, I'm confused.
Besides, how long does it take for the "damage" to occur by the use of lower octane gas vs what is mentioned in the manual? That, to me, is a very important factor to consider, depending on how long one keeps his/her vehicle (and how well one maintains it).
It is simple really. When you see recommended it means for the best performance, you need to use that octane. However, those engines have computer controls that can adjust for lower octane and in most situations can use lower octane (as long as you don't hear engine knock - if you do, go back up in octane). For required I would not go down in octane because in that case the computers don't adjust and you probably will get engine knock and eventually engine damage from pre-detonation.
It could destroy your engine in 5 minutes, or 5 years. Each car is different. Running too low an octane can cause an engine to "knock", meaning the fuel is exploding before the piston reaches the top of its stroke, which can punch a hole in the piston. Cars will often compensate for low octane fuel by retarding the timing, to stop the knock. The problem tends to be that people don't notice, or pay attention, to an engine knock, and can cause serious damage. Engine repair is so massively expensive, I wouldn't want to save pennies on gasoline.
Garth Howe thanks! Wise advice.
Sam S thanks for the clarification!
Very much disagree on the octane comments. If there is no premature detonation its fine. Also recommended and required are not the same thing. Additionally, recommending premium does not mean you cannot use regular, and it does not mean that your warranty is violated.
I have a Subaru forester 2014 and its peppy to drive and the suspension is stiff and uncomfortable on bad roads. I have doubt on CVT reliability and the cost of service is high which is comparable to BMW cars. My 60k service cost is around 2000$ which include 4 brake pad replacement, front and rear differential oil exchange, brake oil change, wheel alignment,all spark plug replaced, Fuel injection and induction cleaning, oil filter and oil change, AC odor service, cabin filter change, replaced all gaskets during service, tire rotation, all fluids topup
Did you take it anywhere else before hand to see if you needed that stuff? And what does "replaced all gaskets" mean? If you mean the crush ring they cost a dealer about a dime each. There is absolutely no way you needed induction cleaning unless the fuel you use is incredibly poor quality or the AC service. You got ripped off if you spent two grand for a 60k mile service and you should never, EVER have a dealer replace brake pads, engine air or cabin air filters. You can order the exact same parts from Subaru directly for a third of what most dealers charge in those "service packages" and any independent shop or chain like Midas or NTB can do the same work for about half the price. Plus most of the time Midas, etc warranty their brakes for life so you can go back every few years as they wear out and get them replaced for just the labor cost. You shouldn't complain about how expensive something is if you are the worst consumer on the planet. Be a better consumer.
So we’re saying don’t buy Honda CR-V hybrid because you thought seats are stiff? Wow
In fairness they basically said to each is own... Do they specifically said try it out to make sure the seats meet your comfort standard
Keye Haze that’s still pretty bad tho that’s like not recommending a car because it doesn’t come in your favourite colour
Great video guys; good info!
I found three of the questions quite relevant, but the answers not very complete. The Subaru answer should have had more specifics about past serious issues, and when your data showed correction, especially the well known head gasket problem. The Octane question I was surprised you did not know or mention that it has been common in rocky mountain states for higher elevations.. The new Venza question is also off the mark, given the shared major components, which includes the power-train that is in multiple US vehicles and the common interior/exterior Harrier components, you would be hard pressed to identify what is actually for this vehicle. I would think you would do more research for your answers.
Wow very surprising about the CR-V hybrid being so noisy. I don't like the seats in the CR-V because they feel like they have too much low back curve pushing into my lower back, even with the lumbar adjustment set all the way to minimum, but perhaps it's the firmness of cushioning that Mike Q is talking about that I noticed. I had the same feeling about the seats in the Odyssey. The Passport and Pilot seats seemed more comfortable to me, except for the very top of the back where I wanted the seat to either have more cushion or just go higher up. I'm 6 foot but a smaller person might not have this issue.
had impreza rs - headgaskets 60K and 120K
2008 sti - ringlands :-(
subarus are reliable but models have specific issues that owners are too ashamed to admit
I know quite a few Subaru owners and am on my third (a 2015 Forester XT). They tend to factor that stuff in as "routine maintenance" when it comes to cost of ownership. It doesn't sour your experience if you go in with realistic expectations.
Imagine buying a Honda CRV hybrid when the rav4 hybrid exists
You will be fine buying the new Venza, it will be reliable.
I have a 2015 Subaru limited. It is the post uncomfortable car I have ever owned. Interesting that you think the CRV is not comfortable.
thedriversseat mentioned the extra noise 2 months ago.
I disagree about the CRV not being quiet. My 2021 is noticeably more quiet and the gas mileage is much better than the non hybrid CRV's. The ride is also much smoother. Maybe you don't see much of an improvement because the non CRV is already a great car.
The 85 octane question: You guys are too isolated in your low lands east coast area. 85 octane is the norm and completely acceptable in high altitude regions. You all need to take some cross-country road trips 😉
Sorry but Honda is not the same as it used to. It now ranks behind Toyota and Nissan. Honda fans should swallow their pride. Being on the top ten list hasn't been on Honda's vocabulary anymore.
Awesome SantaJoe behind Nissan?
I understand how Toyota is ahead of Honda, but tell me how is Nissan ahead of Honda.
Awesome SantaJoe KIA and Hyundai are DEFINITELY the new Honda.
19:40 bro your question answered itself lmaoo
To add to the Subaru question, you don't mention the annual maintenance costs which seem to be much higher than others.
Based on what? My 2013 Subaru now has 100,000 miles and I replaced the spark plugs once at 90,000 miles. No issues at all. I do replace lightbulbs more frequently, but that is an incremental cost. Otherwise not really fixing anything just regular maintenance. It has been one of the cheaper cars I have owned to maintain.
Yes you are right , the cost can be compared with BMW. Last time my subaru 60k service cost around 2000 dollar.
@@RajaSekar-USA you got ripped off then, it should be no more than $800 US.
Raja is either a liar or an idiot (possibly both) if you read the laundry list of things supposedly done to his car. You can't blame Subaru for you being a bad consumer. My Crosstrek was the cheapest to own/maintain I ever had and my Forester XT is only slightly more expensive than it, but still a lot less than any truck or Jeep I've ever owned.
@@RajaSekar-USA You definitely were ripped off. I checked my invoice for 60K and it was only $531.17. That includes all the lengthly inspections and air filter. I did not replace the spark plugs until 90,000 miles because everyone reports they last 100,000 because they are tintainum plugs. That ads another $500 so my cost is about half of yours.
I use shell exxon bp and sometimes marathon. 87 octane. Sometimes I run a tank of premium sometimes to clean the fuel sock the injectors. Would like to see cr test top tier gas brands and see which one comes out on top. Years ago exxon was the best followed by shell.
Top tier indicates a minimum amount of additives in the gas. Federal law also specifies a smaller amount of additives required. You won’t necessarily see a “best” top tier gas with more additives.
At the risk of being snarky, I would say that while a Subaru might be a great car, you just have to not care what it looks like. From an aesthetic point of view, I could not see myself ever buying one. Plus I had an awful experience with a gutless Outback rental that I drove from Portland to Seattle. It was awful.
TFL side by side mileage comparison Toyota Rav 4 hybrid and Honda CRV. Hybrid.
Rav 4 killed the CRV hybrid by 6 miles per gallon.
Toyota has mastered the hybrid after 20 years experience.
Alex Auto tested and Rav 4 hybrid beat CRV hybrid 0-60 mph by almost one second.
Bottom line the CRV hybrid is a dog.
Cross Country in a WRX? What body style?
Luke said it best...
"Every word in that report was wrong"
My AMC Eagle is better than Subaru 😉
InternetDude That was proved years ago and still holds true. AMC was the unquestionable leader in all-wheel drive/4-wheel drive. Remember: "Jeep Wrote the Book on 4-wheel Drive".
I realize the hybrid and non hybrid CRV'S both have CVT's. So that's probably not the root problem with increased engine noise. I think there are two factors. The non-hybrid is turbo charged. So in essence it has a lot of torque down low so the CVT can be tuned to produce reasonable acceleration without revving the engine much. Add to this the fact the turbo does also reduce exhaust noise a little as it acts as a baffle in the exhaust. Then you have the hybrid where the gas engine is used to generate the electricity for the motors. If you ask it for much more power, the gas engine will power up to high revs to produce max electricity for brisk acceleration and the RPMs have no relation to actual variation of speed. I think it mainly a matter of tuning the electric power and electricity demand for acceleration. It appears its not as well tuned in the CRV as some others.
Most people buy Hybrid because of better mileage
But it’s saying that in Colorado because if the high altitude they could go as low as 85 octane. As far as Subaru, well they’re all over the states that snows so it’s like looking at camrys but Subaru’s this time
Nice of Carl....shoot, Carl just doesn't want to hear it for 5000 miles!
Anyone have experience with the Purple brand seat cushions?
Yes I have one and it is excellent, I injured my back last year and have a lot of tailbone pain after sitting for extended periods of time. I got a Purple seat cushion with a Purple mattress order and could not be happier.
Sooooo sick of Subaru obsession.
They are not all that great.
Clunky, so-so ride. middling comfort.
Whatevs. It's a car, just a car.
Not worth the price - which is largely inflexible with years of blithering praise.
Actually... living 65 years in a snowbelt, my Subaru's have been much better on snowy and hilly roads than other vehicles.
4:50 Funny, I thought people were looking for excellent fuel economy from a hybrid.
lol, The sound emitted from the speakers, there is no CVT box, you say nonsense
especially not while you're driving :)
Nice
Subaru rebuilt our engine twice and still using oil . Our transmission went out at 80,000 miles and now the AC condenser needs to be replaced . What a piece of shit . Stay away from Subaru .
I thought Subaru’s had head gasket problems?
About 20 years ago
Uhhh...where's..umm.. Gabe?
if you are on the road for weeks you won't have anything to talk about
Sad, CRV-Hybrid! I rode in one and just laugh!
Mike Quincy is the worst.
Bias
Jenn, shines above the love.💛💛💛.
I hate my CVT 👹👹👹. I would never buy another CVT!
I would only tolerate a CVT in a hybrid as a necessary compromise for the MPG gain. Every time I start gnashing my teeth at my Prius Prime’s CVT, I remind myself: “This is what an annual average of 107MPG sounds like...”