Thanks for testing 3-channel control with the Matek F405 board. I actually asked about your opinion on the perfomance prospects with this set-up about about a year ago, and now you have fullfilled my personal request! I'm honoured! It would have been interesting to also find out if the auto-tune function in iNav can make a difference to to the "wiggliness" you experienced.
Nice wing build. I tried INav 1.9 on my trusty, modified Radian. It worked some, but 1.9 was having problems with dis arming. I want to try some of the auto soaring lift sniffing on Arduplane.
Very efficient I just found a Seagull 2000 balsa model at a garage sale I am going to try this on Great demo Sir Andrew always a pleasure keep up the great work and you and your family Take Care
Putting one in a sophisticated lady right now that I’ve added a power pod to. Should be nice, light and allow nice fpv thermals. Only real purpose of the flight controller is RTH and gps loiter in emergencies and of course altitude back to radio for variometer purposes. Should be fun.
Interesting video Andrew...perfect calm for testing too...We are on weather lockdown anyway it won't stop blowing, so a welcome video as ever..Air Mode is a Multi Rotor flight Mode, it does exactly nothing on a fixed wing, uncheck the tick box.
@@AndrewNewton Good, at last...less useless clutter on your OSD...Rudder Is very good at keeping a heading tbh, surprised iNAV doesn't make more use of it. My big Skywalker's Ailerons for example are hopeless unless combined with Rudder mixing. That's just an undesirable trait of the model though...🤔🤔😒😒
Nice! I like it! Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy Andrew ! So far so good here in San Diego , I don't want to be sick! Lot's of rain here, I haven't flown much lately. Maybe I will build another plane. :>)
For many of us, this is the ideal moment we will get to make all the RC building and optimising that we were postponing for months or years. Only drawback, no test possible ;( BUT I play with my small quadcopters down my building (very small area) :)
A month ago I got it into my head to add FPV to one of my favorite gliders. Since I wanted a nice OSD, I added a Matek F411-wing FC onto my trusty Parkzone Radian. But I'm a bit confused how to connect the rudder servo. At the 1:37 mark you mentioned that you had the "rudder servo plugged into the aileron channel". In the documentation on iNav for ths flight controller it says there are (2) aileron channels. Can you tell me which one to connect the rudder servo onto? BTW, thanks for all the great videos! Been a subscriber for a while now.
Nice.. My first FPV plane is an old Escuela glider with poly-dihedral wing (like the Gentle Lady) with a board wich doesnt work very good (it uses IR sensor copilot as stabilizing) and i have wondered long if inav could handle the stabilization with rudder only.. meanwhile be have been 44 days on hard lockdown over here
Not a lot of crocs down Geelong way. Though on occasion we have been tempted to load up a truck load or 2 and take them down to Lake Burley Griffen some summer. Might liven up our Polies & Public Servants a bit! ;-)
I do need to vent .... I washed my hands... No one ever was in my park. Since the whole viral thing there are to many people(or dogs) in my parks to throw up anything.. As with the amount of dogs around an radian UMX will end up being a chewtoy in seconds. :D was planning to maiden my phoenix 2000. seems I have to move..
Hello. Your video is really what I was looking for. A question. Can it be done in INAV that when the rudder turns, there is an elevator compensation? The turn would be much smoother and the wingtip would not drop. Truth?
Andrew, because of the virus we have a new gold standard “Toilet Paper”🙁 Everyone fine at our home, you and the misses hang in there. Thanks for keeping us entertained with another super video. Cheers
Omnibus F4 (ArduPlane) with XM+ receiver it's working but with JUMPER R1+ receiver there is nothing on Radio Calibration tab. Roll back to INAV or BETAFLIGHT or CLEANFLIGHT now JUMPER R1+ working, again in ArduPlane R1+ not working, XM+ working. Can you check that matter ?? Waiting for any kind of reply.
thanks for trying RTH in 3 channel only (no ailerons). Now i wonder how u can do that (that hold bank angle is so good, it feels like using ailerons), in my model (no ailerons too) when RTH its always spinn and goes down (like its too much turning). Do u change yaw PID setting???
its wobbling on 2,3 meter wing glider, ill just back on normal 4 channel. Do u have video about INAV Soaring mode (switch activated and no sticks input in flight)? that will be great video for glider INAV pilot@@AndrewNewton
Good time for building if you can get the parts. All my FPV planes don't have landing gear. I want to buy/build a small twin engine puller with robust landing gear ( small means < 800 mm wingspan) to use for FPV. If I could make sub-250 that would be great but seems unlikely. Any suggestions?
@@AndrewNewton Sounds like a bit of a challenge. BTW: The ZOHD 250 is not really that light. I have built bigger sub-250 (FT dart twin engine, full inav, gps etc) in laminated depron that weigh less and fly's much better. But no landing gear. And I am a very untalented builder - it's just with the quad electronics everything can now be tiny and lightweight, including very powerful motors. Might have answered my own question. A scaled down twin engine Flite Test Mighty Mini Guinea in depron might be the go.
Plug in to either aileron input on the board. Stabilised roll for the rudder in the mixer. Beware this doesn't work very well. Only works on a slow flying glider and it will wander around in RTH.
@@AndrewNewton I learned to work with waypoints in the IL2 PC game. The problem with waypoints is when the plane can not hit a waypoint (too sharp angle, wind, thermals) the plane will use too much time/energy in recovering the route (also hight); best setting is to ignore this waypoint and go to the next waypoint. I also learned to fly RC planes by flying the planes from a external view (CtrF2) in IL2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IL-2_Sturmovik_(video_game)
Big thump up. You just tested what I had for a long time planned with some of my vintage models....very nice!
Really nice, stay safe everyone.. and wash your hands before and after work.
Thank you for this. I have a radian that behaves somewhat strange with inav, this is a good topic.
Thanks for testing 3-channel control with the Matek F405 board. I actually asked about your opinion on the perfomance prospects with this set-up about about a year ago, and now you have fullfilled my personal request! I'm honoured! It would have been interesting to also find out if the auto-tune function in iNav can make a difference to to the "wiggliness" you experienced.
Thanks Martin, a question worth investigating
Nice wing build. I tried INav 1.9 on my trusty, modified Radian. It worked some, but 1.9 was having problems with dis arming. I want to try some of the auto soaring lift sniffing on Arduplane.
That stuff is amazing. Auto thermalling!
Very efficient I just found a Seagull 2000 balsa model at a garage sale I am going to try this on
Great demo Sir Andrew always a pleasure keep up the great work and you and your family Take Care
Thanks Robert. You too.
There's still a fair amount of hot air here in DC, Newt. Glad to see your getting out and about. - Robert
Love it! Definitely wash hands and definitely stay positive! Very interesting thought to try with iNav
Very cool video. Thanks for the positive attitude. Staying home and out of crowded areas here in Colorado. Stay safe.
Thanks Jim. No easy to stay positive but it is important.
My old radian with curved wings is a delight to fly with Inav
I have heard that said before.
One calm voice amongst the virus- chaos. Thank you Andrew, I do appreciate it.
Take care and good health to you and your family.
Thanks Johan. Maybe this is my contribution to ease the stress.
Great video and great advice Andrew . Very interesting .
Putting one in a sophisticated lady right now that I’ve added a power pod to. Should be nice, light and allow nice fpv thermals. Only real purpose of the flight controller is RTH and gps loiter in emergencies and of course altitude back to radio for variometer purposes. Should be fun.
Awesome place to fly. Thx. Stay safe
Interesting video Andrew...perfect calm for testing too...We are on weather lockdown anyway it won't stop blowing, so a welcome video as ever..Air Mode is a Multi Rotor flight Mode, it does exactly nothing on a fixed wing, uncheck the tick box.
Without Air Mode you don't get any control at zero throttle, no ?
@@StefanNaewe Nope, what a rediculous notion...I have a motor glider with iNAV installed. Guess what it spends most of its time doing?
OK, you have convinced me to ignore the experts and give it a go.
@@AndrewNewton Good, at last...less useless clutter on your OSD...Rudder Is very good at keeping a heading tbh, surprised iNAV doesn't make more use of it. My big Skywalker's Ailerons for example are hopeless unless combined with Rudder mixing. That's just an undesirable trait of the model though...🤔🤔😒😒
I have done it with my Astra by putting the rudder servo wire in the aileron channel. Everything else was the same.
Seems to work OK
Nice! I like it! Thanks for sharing!
Stay healthy Andrew !
So far so good here in San Diego , I don't want to be sick!
Lot's of rain here, I haven't flown much lately. Maybe I will build another plane. :>)
Yep, stay strong. The vast majority of us will be OK
For many of us, this is the ideal moment we will get to make all the RC building and optimising that we were postponing for months or years. Only drawback, no test possible ;( BUT I play with my small quadcopters down my building (very small area) :)
A month ago I got it into my head to add FPV to one of my favorite gliders. Since I wanted a nice OSD, I added a Matek F411-wing FC onto my trusty Parkzone Radian. But I'm a bit confused how to connect the rudder servo. At the 1:37 mark you mentioned that you had the "rudder servo plugged into the aileron channel". In the documentation on iNav for ths flight controller it says there are (2) aileron channels. Can you tell me which one to connect the rudder servo onto? BTW, thanks for all the great videos! Been a subscriber for a while now.
Either aileron output will do, just have to make sure it moves correctly. You can change direction in the mixer or outputs page
nice, stay safe mate
Nice.. My first FPV plane is an old Escuela glider with poly-dihedral wing (like the Gentle Lady) with a board wich doesnt work very good (it uses IR sensor copilot as stabilizing) and i have wondered long if inav could handle the stabilization with rudder only..
meanwhile be have been 44 days on hard lockdown over here
Haven't convinced myself it's a good idea but fun trying
Can we do a RTH about 2 ks away from Home.....up that Croc river maybe
Not a lot of crocs down Geelong way. Though on occasion we have been tempted to load up a truck load or 2 and take them down to Lake Burley Griffen some summer. Might liven up our Polies & Public Servants a bit! ;-)
I wear crocs around the house. Probably are a few floating down the Barwon
Another great little display, Stay safe MATE Cheer's Croc.
Same to you Bob
I do need to vent .... I washed my hands... No one ever was in my park. Since the whole viral thing there are to many people(or dogs) in my parks to throw up anything.. As with the amount of dogs around an radian UMX will end up being a chewtoy in seconds. :D was planning to maiden my phoenix 2000. seems I have to move..
They do like to chase and destroy!
OK.., set mixer on "flying wing" and plug the rudder servo into the aileron channel, good idea..!
No. Has to be normal airplane mix
Hello. Your video is really what I was looking for. A question. Can it be done in INAV that when the rudder turns, there is an elevator compensation? The turn would be much smoother and the wingtip would not drop. Truth?
INAV uses gyros accelerometers baro and GPS rather than mixing to maintain altitude and attitude. Not really designed for use without ailerons too.
@@AndrewNewton It's true. That is why the only thing left for us in these gliders is to put a polyhedral wing. This should improve self-stabilization.
Thanks for keeping up the videos, a great port in a storm. : )
Thanks mate, I will keep it up as much as possible
Andrew, because of the virus we have a new gold standard “Toilet Paper”🙁
Everyone fine at our home, you and the misses hang in there. Thanks for keeping us entertained with another super video. Cheers
Thanks mate. I definitely need something to keep me occupied, so more videos coming.
Omnibus F4 (ArduPlane) with XM+ receiver it's working but with JUMPER R1+ receiver there is nothing on Radio Calibration tab. Roll back to INAV or BETAFLIGHT or CLEANFLIGHT now JUMPER R1+ working, again in ArduPlane R1+ not working, XM+ working. Can you check that matter ?? Waiting for any kind of reply.
Cant help sorry. I have not used Ardupilot or Jumper
thanks for trying RTH in 3 channel only (no ailerons). Now i wonder how u can do that (that hold bank angle is so good, it feels like using ailerons), in my model (no ailerons too) when RTH its always spinn and goes down (like its too much turning). Do u change yaw PID setting???
INAV doesn't really understand 3ch planes. It's OK in calm weather but any disturbance can make it wobble into a stall
thanks sir, but how about using preset aircraft without rudder in INAV, so the rudder servo goes to aileron input to FC? will it work?@@AndrewNewton
@@dayyanhanif8493 That's how this one was configured
its wobbling on 2,3 meter wing glider, ill just back on normal 4 channel. Do u have video about INAV Soaring mode (switch activated and no sticks input in flight)? that will be great video for glider INAV pilot@@AndrewNewton
I'm wondering how this is setup in iNav - does a person choose "airplane", and then just not connect ailerons?
Plug rudder servo into aileron output pins
You just answered my question... Now to dig out my well preserved 30year old 2 meter gliders out of the garage, 👍@@AndrewNewton
Good time for building if you can get the parts. All my FPV planes don't have landing gear. I want to buy/build a small twin engine puller with robust landing gear ( small means < 800 mm wingspan) to use for FPV. If I could make sub-250 that would be great but seems unlikely. Any suggestions?
Impossible unless you're using exotic ultralight materials I would think. Dart 250 is the best available
@@AndrewNewton Sounds like a bit of a challenge. BTW: The ZOHD 250 is not really that light. I have built bigger sub-250 (FT dart twin engine, full inav, gps etc) in laminated depron that weigh less and fly's much better. But no landing gear. And I am a very untalented builder - it's just with the quad electronics everything can now be tiny and lightweight, including very powerful motors. Might have answered my own question. A scaled down twin engine Flite Test Mighty Mini Guinea in depron might be the go.
Hi Andrew, have you ever tried a 2 channel (rud-elev) on a slope?
Oh yes, often. Not good for strong wind.
How did you set up only rudder and elevator in Inavs mixer? I want to do the same thing with a FT Explorer 3ch.
Just treat the rudder as an aileron. Mixer is "Stabilised roll". Be careful, it may wobble a lot in RTH
@@AndrewNewton Okay, did you remove the rudder in the mixer instead then?
No need to delete it, but nothing will be plugged in to the rudder pins
@@AndrewNewton Okay, I see! I will try this. Keep up the good work!
Hello
Is it just one Chanel for rudder or split for 2 with Y cable?
One for rudder, one for elevator. Plug the ruder into the aileron pins on the board
Andrew Newton but you have two plugs for Ailerons and in inav also
Andrew Newton and what should I choose in inav mixer? Stabilized pitch for one servo and what for the other one?
Plug in to either aileron input on the board. Stabilised roll for the rudder in the mixer. Beware this doesn't work very well. Only works on a slow flying glider and it will wander around in RTH.
Cool
What is angle mode, please?
Self level mode
Nicely done Andrew, 4s would be better as you say.
Thanks Cliff.
Can it fly waypoints?
Yet to try waypoints.
@@AndrewNewton I learned to work with waypoints in the IL2 PC game. The problem with waypoints is when the plane can not hit a waypoint (too sharp angle, wind, thermals) the plane will use too much time/energy in recovering the route (also hight); best setting is to ignore this waypoint and go to the next waypoint. I also learned to fly RC planes by flying the planes from a external view (CtrF2) in IL2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IL-2_Sturmovik_(video_game)
@@AndrewNewton Also to prevent crashes; pre-/download the maps.
What If You Split The Elevator (2-Servos) & Mix The Aleron Controls Into It, Then It Would Be Like An "A" Tail w/A Proper Rudder? LOL Thanks Mate
Crazy talk! I'm trying to keep it as minimal as possible. Thanks Grumpy John and look after yourself.
You ever put the camera on the rudder? Makes much better fpv experience. Check it out on my vidoe.
Just about all his planes he dose
All the time
Thanks for sharing Andrew. I was always under the impression that Ailerons were needed for an iNav plane. Keep virus safe...;-)
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