Understandable. I did not like the toy art style as well, I wish it took the Link Between World's art style. I didn't pick it up as well as I'm not feeling it atm, will wait until I get the right itch
I have to agree, I already wasn't feeling Link's Awakening myself because of the art style ( I love cute stuff? ) personally. I thought it was just for LA but then Echoes got the same artstyle too. Uhhhh, I dunno. I don't like it lol. At least, not for $60/$70. This feels more like a $30 game.
As a fan of every mainline Zelda game, I have to say…. I love both the OG games and the new games. I feel sorry for people who don’t like the new games 😢
To be fair, most wouldn't mind it if the puzzles didn't suck, the stories weren't awfully told, and the lore didn't require a thousand excuses and explanations for why things that happened before aren't acknowledged or were just plain contradicted in the next game. Also puzzles having multiple answers where your first thought can also be a solution almost no matter what you think. Getting stuck was pretty core to old Zelda games, and it makes perfect sense that people who liked that wouldn't like these new games much. Personally, I also was turned off by the bad frame rate and Zelda transforming into Link. Just tells me they didn't have confidence in this system and once again wanted to do something to appease old fans. I feel insulted when such obvious red meat/carrots on a stick are thrown in front of me. Pisses me off and feels insulting. So I'm choosing to play Visions of Mana and Sparking Zero instead. I'll get my Zelda fill with the classics and indie games inspired by the franchise. Personally, I'm more annoyed that we've already been on this open world Zelda thing for over a decade and haven't gotten any new classic styled games since. I've heard some good things about this one in a "baby's first Zelda" type of way by classic 2D standards, but that's not enough for me, especially when I hate the core mechanic of the game and the interface looks so dreadful. I dropped tears cause of those pop up menus, I'm not wasting my time on those single scroll bar of items again. The Zelda team has lost all sense of UI implementation
I am in the exact same boat. I love the puzzles, the story, the characters, the movement, everything. It sparked my imagination in the same way that Ocarina did when I was a kid. It's a very different game, but the recent games give me the same adventurous feeling. I feel bad for everyone else.
What I find interesting about some of the complaints about wanting an 'original' Zelda experience, the references are always with Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Two great games to be sure, but not exactly the OG experience. That mantle lies with Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, Link to the Past, and Link's Awakening. Might even through in the special friday episodes of the Super Show for those really OG fans. I can see the issues with BotW and TotK. Believe me, I have mine even though I would say those are some of the greatest games made in general. They do lack the dungeon experience and I can make the case that Zelda 2 is a better 'Zelda Game' even if not the best game in general. But one thing I will say about Echoes of Wisdom, it seems to be an adventure that many fans have been asking for over thirty years now. It may not be for everyone, and to be honest, Zelda isn't exactly for everyone either. For many they got into it because friends got them into it, but eventually everyone does grow out of that sort of peer pressure form of entertainment.
Well, to be fair, Zelda kept changing structure til Link to the Past, and Ocarina copied that formula and TP copied Ocarina, more or less. And if you look at the historic sales, those were the best selling entries before the modern era, so it makes some sense people would use those as the reference point. Those were the only sequel games to utilize the formula established by LttP. The other 3D games all put weird twists on it, and even the 2D games only used it for Link's Awakening, the Oracle games, and Minish Cap. The DS games also did their own weird things to change it up. It's not surprising a lot of people feel betrayed when the last real "Zelea experience" many may have felt they had was 18 years ago. I still hear people, even who like the new style, talk about the Wii U's Zelda tech demo that looked like a Twilight Princess sequel. That was 12 or 13 years ago now. I don't blame the people who say they want to go back "to the original" style even if that wasn't actually the original format, it's just the one that became a formula at all. For people who like Zelda 2, I feel for ya. You've been waiting a long long time
😆 I didn’t “completely” agree with your take on the game, but I was “completely” entertained by it!! 😆 That’s way more than I can say for most TH-camrs in general! Cheers!
Personally I prefer the modern formula of the zelda games because I love solve puzzles or explore an openworld and I think that nintendo did a great job with this game because they tried to please the entire community
@megaman37456 not arguably, definitely. When 90% of your "puzzles" can be solved with your first instinctual decision then it wasn't a real puzzle. BotW was fine, the puzzles were mediocre but you had to engage with them and you couldn't do anything. TotK was a train wreck for anyone wanting real puzzles and not just a bunch of Lego toys that let you move on as long as you can attach any of the pieces from the box together. Classic Zelda was a masterclass of puzzles with steady progression aided by the linearity of the games. The new style just doesn't do that. Even with a more linear structure, the tri rod gives enough tools to lead to the same effect at least most of the time. Even positive reviewers like Beatemups has admitted that it felt weird and he didn't like the few times the game gave him actual puzzles and it stopped his constant progression because he's so used to just continuing forward from the recent games. That's all I need to hear to know I'm not interested after watching the trailers and seeing nothing I liked in them
I honestly feel the same about modern Nintendo titles as a whole. A few of them have that old magic still intact but most of them just feel kind of plastic and mass-produced, or at least moreso than they used to be. NES to Gamecube was the golden era, tho I think every handheld (excluding the Switch if you even count it) was amazing. Another niche content creator I like made a generally negative Nintendo video years ago and he got slammed by tons of criticism and mocking comments too lmao, happens. Your content makes people like me feel more heard tbh
I definitely agree about the art style, not my thing. I might still try this game because some of the gameplay mechanics look cool. But yeah, pixel art 4ever!!!
@@mrsnulch this is why I miss having a Nintendo home console with a handheld companion device. I still think some of the most beautiful pixel art was made on the Nintendo ds
i understand your point of view, but i believe the problem here is that you seem not capable to accept change. they may going back or not, but TLoZ is more than just graphics and shaders.
@@AgentOrange502 no, and neither did most people here. They saw a video complaining about a game they love and of those only a handful even made it past the first minute before clearly dropping into the comments. Video goes on to compliment Samus Aran and point out how he plays Metroid for her, but people still claiming it's about sexism and other bs. Though, I do get retorting to one part of a video like this guy kinda did, as it seems to be a response to the visuals. Sometimes there's just one point that doesn't sit right, so benefit of the doubt. But the self-righteous "you seem not capable to accept change" line tells me he's fucking full of himself and belittles others he disagrees with, so benefit of the doubt gone, lol
Personally i have no problem with the art style and i like the game (i dig the summoner play-style) But i understand and share your concern about future Zelda games becoming more like BotW (which was honestly mid) and less like true Zelda games.
Better than most. Which is why botw had higher sales, reviews, pretty much everything so please leave the series. I hope you people all leave so we don’t have to hear your whiny takes.
@@hass556 I'd like to know how many of these sales even finished the Great Plateau. A big swath of casuals came flooding in with these sales. No one cares about reviews (at least by "game critics" and urinalists). And yes, I hope the casuals leave again. Gatekeep or be gatekept. That being said: I quite enjoyed BotW, and to a lesser extend TotK, as well as EoW currently. But I can't say it captures the magic like any of their predecessors. EoW is cute, though.
I don't really think the damsel in distress is a good reason for someone to become a hero as what I feel you are suggesting. Aside from this point, I liked BOTW but TOTK started something about fusing, stuff that reminds me of minecraft from someone who doesn't like minecraft and its very weird physics gimmicks that it started annoying me. I liked TOTK but I do not want Zelda to become a game where these kinds of puzzles or "abilities/items" are the main thing because it makes the games really repetitive whereas older titles would offer more variety in the set of items. I don't like EoW' artstyle either, I tried LA and I didn't like the artstyle and EoW is not fixing that plus I like Zelda and I don't mind her being the protagonist, but her gameplay looks so boring to me. I played OOT recently and wow, I had an amazing time. I'm looking forward to buy a new PC so I can play older games or wait for a new remasters of older games because, while I'm open to open-world Zelda myself, TOTK didn't quite nail it imo, BOTW was a first attempt and I enjoyed it a ton though. I'm not opposed to changes but if I don't like the changes I can always play the older games luckily.
From general feedback I've heard about this game since it launched, the main obstacle for me is what sounds like the big step back in complexity of the puzzles.
@@Tenacityfromtheglass While i agree I don't want to stop companies from being innovative or creative. Would do you believe fans and gamers collectively want in newer games that wouldn't be considered repetitive, boring or doesn't divide fans I'm genuinely curious
@Londonlink Well, look at from software. They built an audience with dark souls and gave that audience more of what it wanted with Dark Souls 2, then they made Dark Souls but lovecraftian and gave us Dark Souls 3. After that they gave us Dark Souls but with Samurai and now we have Elden ring which is just an open world Dark Souls game that doesn't stray away from any of its original design. Last time I checked fans of from software don't think that they make repetitive or boring games.
@@Londonlink companies can still be innovative and creative. It's called making new IP like how they did with pikman and animal Crossing on the gamecube
ima get it, we don’t live in a perfect world where companies are like disney movies, life is full of people we don’t like, its just a video game and ima enjoy it regardless of what people think or believe. If i wanted to be a saint, i wouldn’t even have bought a console or bought chocolate, or food because some way or another it all comes back to corruption
These games are not Zelda anymore. I don't mind the open-world, it's the breaking weapons, survival mechanics, bad music, repetitive gameplay, etc. An open-world Zelda could be amazing, but TOTK is by far the worst Zelda game. It's even worse than Phantom Hourglass, and that gane sucks.
I did buy the game, and so far I've made it past the first dungeon. It is definitely a good game but I haven't really gotten around to it yet. I really liked Link's Awakening remake so I'll probably end up enjoying it. And yeah I understand not liking the art style
5:31 eh. Personally bad take. I’ve played since the early 90’s and I’m hyped to be able to play as Zelda. Was literally in happy tears when I saw the reveal and was like “oh shit this is big”. 🤷♂️
5:32 look man, i get what youre saying, but donkey kong was the worst example you could have chosen, in the original trilogy, donkey kong was only playable in the first game, yet the 2nd game is the usually called the best one
People need to start asking about intent, like why do you want Zelda as the damsel in distress rather than assuming you're a misogynist - and I like you reasoning, sometimes the classic story and gameplay is fine, if not better.
I'm 10 hours in it's pretty average. I'm not the biggest fan of the art style either. I'm starting to dislike Zelda tropes such as pausing and playing a tune when you solve a baby puzzle like opening a door..
I've collected and played all Zelda games dating back to the first..And the latest two 3d zelda games, I really didn't get hooked on, partly because I've become a bit more of a fan of the more linear zelda games, something that Zelda link to the past kick started. I also thought botw and zelda Totk had somewhat boring bosses compared to previous zelda games.
Links awakening is a great game, but this is not. I don’t know what game the shills in the comments section are playing but it’s not the same Zelda game I am.
Personally, I don't have any problem with the artstyle. It looks good, but its not my favorite, so whatever. My problem is that they are trying to bring the 3D games formula over the 2D games, when there was a CLEAR oportunity to have two very distinct gameplay structures running in tandem, keeping everyone happy and avoiding(or at least reducing) the potential fatigue of any given formula. But no, this game also needs to be open ended and minecraft-y. Not that I hate it, but the new 3D games formula aren't my favorite, especially given that dungeons and progression is still bad. Though I appreciate them making Zelda distinct and not Link but with Boobs(As I don't have a problem playing as other characters in a Zelda game, as long as Link is the protagonist in most of them). Though they didn't escape from that entirely.
You got a point here. Feels like Nintendo been fixing experimental bullshit with marketing to fill the gap and sell whatever they have been working on as a great game
I don't like this art style either. I wouldn't expect BOTW/TOTK open air style to go away though. While some fans of the older games don't like them, some of us that have been playing since the NES did enjoy the new style too. These games aren't just successful incredibly so compared to the series' prior history. And BOTW continuing to sell well and TOTK coming out the gate swinging despite BOTW being divisive for some older fans doesn't really give much incentive for them to swap back to the old style for now. Whether one likes the new style or not I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for the next Zelda game on Switch 2 to go back to the LTTP/OOT formula. As for the last point, I can kind of see where you're coming from. I'm not against the idea of Zelda being the protagonist, but sadly there's not really anything all that engaging about this particular incarnation of Zelda honestly. It was a decision they made after deciding to deemphasize the sword combat in favor of echoes, and it definitely feels like it's an afterthought here. So while in theory I think Zelda getting her own game could have been interesting in practice I didn't really end up caring for it all that much here. Peronally though I'd rather the next mainline Zelda just let you pick Link's gender like a Fire Emblem protagonist than have Zelda as the PC anyway.
«Everyone is so easily offended these days»…ironic. Don’t like the graphics and representation? Fair enough, but that part of the video is undermined by the latter part. What was even the point of this video?
I can hear the fedora falling off your head 😂 The game is genuinely unique and fun. I find it ironic you’re using tunic gameplay and calling link’s awakening too cutsie lol
Idk man, I find Tunic cute, but not cutsie. Those are different things in my book. Like the difference between an all ages childrens cartoon and a cartoon for children. Like Octonauts vs Daniel Tiger. Octonaughts go on adventures in the sea and when they find seahorses doing a mating dance, they suddenly decide to leave, an obvious sex implication for the adults in the room, but innocent enough that kids wouldn't even think anything of it, meanwhile Daniel Tiger looks at the viewer through the screen and talks about how when he gets angry and wants to roar he takes a deep breath and counts to 4. It is a bit ironic though, you aren't wrong. I just can understand why tunic wouldn't be such a turn off, and the mood of the scene is probably a big part of that
@@Chronoflation the game plays and looks like a cartoon for kids of all ages. Same as tunic lol they’re stylized differently. It’s ok to dislike the style but let’s not pretend it’s any different and act like it being cute is the problem.
@@Vadnarr well yeah, but that stylized can be enough to make someone love one and be repulsed by the other. Who hasn't seen anime they thought were ugly despite very obviously having an "anime art style"? Doesn't mean you have to agree and it can come off as ironic or hypocritical if you don't see that much of a difference, but some people can and will
It is a very good Zelda game. I really like that the dungeons have puzzles that make me work my brain to solve them, and even some boss battles or simple caves offer you the challenge of trying to solve them with the tools you have. Not all games have to be about breaking through with brute force, like Elden Ring, which despite all its DLC is my GOTY. Anyway, you won't know what you're missing until you try it and give it a chance.
Didn't miss much IMO. The game was fun but kind of mid for a Zelda game. Only a few of the dungeons were that memorable for me. I don't care for the echo based combat system, and very very few of the traversal puzzles required much thinking. It was a similar issue to TOTK. Sure there's a lot I could theoretically do here but it's too open in many cases meaning many of the same easy solutions work across the board and I rarely really have to puzzle something out.
I literally only care about the mainstream Link games anyways. Could care less about any others, echoes of wisdom was just another game they churned out quickly to get close to the budget of the next part to botw and totk. If not I will also be ripping the ISO’s and ROMS continuously, cause the older era is still and always will be peak gaming.
How can you say that it's TOTK but top down while you didn't play the game . This game has a story and great dungeons it's more like a top down Twilight princess than TOTK The Hyrul field is a little bigger than a normal top down zelda game but it's not big enough to say that it's TOTK
People have been asking for a playable zelda game for years, and not just women in the fandom either. The popular playable zelda mods were made primarily by men. Heaven forbid the devs make that actually come true once, for one game, when, as you even bring up yourself, can play as Link in literally every other game. "Eww the game is too cutesy and girly!" are you a 12 year old boy? Secure adults don't need everything to be gritty, mature and manly to not feel insecure about themselves somehow
I dun care who i play as... as long as it's fun or interesting and the story is good. I might pick it up later, but nothing has piqued my interest so far. Also, I'm not too happy with their patent lawsuit shenanigans atm, so I'm not going to be supporting them for a bit, even at the cost of my favorite franchise.
6:29 ooooooof. Bro. No. Just why. Using the R slur in 2024. You seemed cool in the “what I miss about older games”, so I decided to dive into your backlog, but as someone who has autism…nah that word ain’t it.
I just dont want to give nintendo anymore money. Their business practices are horrible. Maybe one day they will stop stomping on the little guys and attacking their fans.
As a small channel on TH-cam, I'm really just stumbling around in the dark, trying to find out what both you and I enjoy and I'm aware that it's going to produce some hot takes and even bad takes along the way. A lot of it is just exaggerated for Flair, For example, when I say things like Nintendo is evil, I'm really just trying to say that I'm a pissed off fan. My biggest hurdle is trying to turn things into content, but in real life I'm not actually upset about the graphics or the fact that I can't play as Link in Echoes of wisdom. My reason for not wanting to buy the game really just comes down to preference. I hope me being transparent doesn't subtract from your opinion of me because I would hate to delete every moment I came off as cringe on my channel just to appeal to everyone. If you want to know the honest truth, my latest video was the most fun I've ever had creating something. I wasn't trying to be relevant or click baity and it took me being vulnerable to realize where I want to take my content moving forward. I really appreciate your feedback because it helps me grow as a person, not just some "content creator"
@@Tenacityfromtheglass Hey there, all good brother. I started my comment by pointing out that I do enjoy the channel and even this video because I do genuinely enjoy the way you're presenting yourself. I'd rather watch an opinion I disagree with from a creator I like than a creator I dislike agreeing with me or a creator I like being fake for views 10 times out of 10. Keep being yourself and I'll stick around. Peace!
Honeslty yeah you cooking a bit, i wasn't a fan of a huge BOTW, it had moments and i def like it but it's not zelda to me, TOTK even more so, fantastic video games, so so zelda games, and i didn't really like the links awakening remake and i have no interest in a zelda style game On you're point about DEI ik many people will flame you but trust when i say I'm on your side, but like it's not because i don't want to play as a woman, on the complete contrary actually i love playing as female characters i think that's sick, but the way the gaming industry has been going about it is to push messages and show it to the gamers (doesn't help that the industry is full of activists who are rasist towards anything that isn't a black female, i will never forgive ign for the blaten racism towards asians when AC Shadows got dropped, ON ASIAN HERITAGE MONTH TOO) But yeah on top of that it's also you're opinion to not buy this game which i can respect, and if others enjoy this game that's fine too, keep it up mate
@@thesis-and-nieces6722 You have no idea what LEGEND OF means. Then they should have called it Zelda, or adventures of Link. Legend of means "Primary about that person" Learn english!
Zelda was not meant to be the playable hero all along, lol The stories revolve around her and her significance to the gods and kingdom and the hero, link (you) is meant to learn about it through his adventures. But i do agree with one thing, this dude won't be missed.
Yaaa I was looking forward to a zelda game where you get to play as Zelda. I was hoping for a OoT or TP artstyle and maybe her move set would be like what she has in smash bros… and then this game came out and it looked boring as hell lol. She gets to move furniture around and possess enemies to fight for her. Pretty lame looking ngl. I’m glad people like it but I’m waiting to pick this up when I see it in a clearance bin. Also, I agree with you on the current direction the series is going. BotW and TotK are crazy successful financially and they are objectively great games, probably best In the franchise. And I do not like them at all, I really miss the old style of the series. Oh well, maybe the indie/double A scene can fill the void one day. Kena Bridge of Spirits was fun.
Not only you close yourself to great series like fire emblem but you are also being very lame, you only wsnt the same repetitive shit, playing as mario in mario? Boring when there is cooler characters, why would i want to play with gay link when i can play with zelda
'I could really care less' It's couldn't care less seppo, couldn't, get it right. If you're going to have eternally bad takes, at least speak English correctly.
Bro, modern Zelda is better than any of the 3D dogshit you guys call "classic." And so is the original 2D stuff. You're not a Zelda fan, you're an Ocarina of Time fanboy.
As a longtime fan since 2000 you’re missing out it’s a great game graphics are cute and just because they’re cute doesn’t mean it’s bad you’re probably just some overly macho guy that quivers at the site of a flower or the color pink this video is ridiculous and so is your take this game is fantastic. It’s not AAA, but it doesn’t need to be.
The extreme MISS on what you think this game is, it's wild. It's funny you like wind wakers aesthetic is better because this whole video reminds me of the reviews for ww on release
gamers gotta be some of the most reactionary people i’ve ever seen. the game isn’t for you, that’s fine. not liking the art style is fine but expecting new games to be like old games is so delusional. here’s some news for you: the world will never be like how it was yesterday. things change dude, get to grips w it or get left behind
The larger majority of the Zelda fan base and people in general don't care your reason for not buying the game. And the Nintendo haters will agree with you because they convinced themselves that Nintendo is like Ubisoft or something stupid like that.
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Everyone said “we love the mechanics of botw and totk but miss the dungeons.” That’s literally echos of wisdom
Understandable. I did not like the toy art style as well, I wish it took the Link Between World's art style. I didn't pick it up as well as I'm not feeling it atm, will wait until I get the right itch
Playing as Zelda is underwhelming ? This is what the fuck I’ve been waiting for
And it's so compelling Nintendo added a power to temporarily transform you into Link 😂
@@Chronoflation damn. Yeah you right🤣🤣
sounds sexist to me!!
@@motorolla17 you sound dumb to me
What an unbelievable "own" you came up with @@Chronoflation
I have to agree, I already wasn't feeling Link's Awakening myself because of the art style ( I love cute stuff? ) personally. I thought it was just for LA but then Echoes got the same artstyle too.
Uhhhh, I dunno. I don't like it lol.
At least, not for $60/$70. This feels more like a $30 game.
So many Nintendo fan boys in comments lol.
People cant stand someone just not liking a Nintendo game.
Yeah it’s ridiculous, the Nintendo defense force is real
As a fan of every mainline Zelda game, I have to say…. I love both the OG games and the new games. I feel sorry for people who don’t like the new games 😢
To be fair, most wouldn't mind it if the puzzles didn't suck, the stories weren't awfully told, and the lore didn't require a thousand excuses and explanations for why things that happened before aren't acknowledged or were just plain contradicted in the next game. Also puzzles having multiple answers where your first thought can also be a solution almost no matter what you think. Getting stuck was pretty core to old Zelda games, and it makes perfect sense that people who liked that wouldn't like these new games much.
Personally, I also was turned off by the bad frame rate and Zelda transforming into Link. Just tells me they didn't have confidence in this system and once again wanted to do something to appease old fans. I feel insulted when such obvious red meat/carrots on a stick are thrown in front of me. Pisses me off and feels insulting. So I'm choosing to play Visions of Mana and Sparking Zero instead. I'll get my Zelda fill with the classics and indie games inspired by the franchise.
Personally, I'm more annoyed that we've already been on this open world Zelda thing for over a decade and haven't gotten any new classic styled games since. I've heard some good things about this one in a "baby's first Zelda" type of way by classic 2D standards, but that's not enough for me, especially when I hate the core mechanic of the game and the interface looks so dreadful. I dropped tears cause of those pop up menus, I'm not wasting my time on those single scroll bar of items again. The Zelda team has lost all sense of UI implementation
I am in the exact same boat. I love the puzzles, the story, the characters, the movement, everything. It sparked my imagination in the same way that Ocarina did when I was a kid. It's a very different game, but the recent games give me the same adventurous feeling.
I feel bad for everyone else.
I don't because it's mainly basement dwelling oot fanboys
@@KairiKey989 you play kingdom hearts. You wouldnt know quality if it slapped you in the face
@@Goosewitdajuice317 I play multiple different franchises and Kingdom Hearts hasn't been running for decades for no reason, but whatever you say kyle
I also won't be buying it, doesn't mean I won't be playing it.
Real, I’d do exactly what you’re doing but I just had to get the physical because I had Link’s Awakening
so having both side by side is pretty sweet
What I find interesting about some of the complaints about wanting an 'original' Zelda experience, the references are always with Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Two great games to be sure, but not exactly the OG experience. That mantle lies with Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, Link to the Past, and Link's Awakening. Might even through in the special friday episodes of the Super Show for those really OG fans.
I can see the issues with BotW and TotK. Believe me, I have mine even though I would say those are some of the greatest games made in general. They do lack the dungeon experience and I can make the case that Zelda 2 is a better 'Zelda Game' even if not the best game in general. But one thing I will say about Echoes of Wisdom, it seems to be an adventure that many fans have been asking for over thirty years now. It may not be for everyone, and to be honest, Zelda isn't exactly for everyone either. For many they got into it because friends got them into it, but eventually everyone does grow out of that sort of peer pressure form of entertainment.
Well, to be fair, Zelda kept changing structure til Link to the Past, and Ocarina copied that formula and TP copied Ocarina, more or less. And if you look at the historic sales, those were the best selling entries before the modern era, so it makes some sense people would use those as the reference point. Those were the only sequel games to utilize the formula established by LttP. The other 3D games all put weird twists on it, and even the 2D games only used it for Link's Awakening, the Oracle games, and Minish Cap. The DS games also did their own weird things to change it up. It's not surprising a lot of people feel betrayed when the last real "Zelea experience" many may have felt they had was 18 years ago. I still hear people, even who like the new style, talk about the Wii U's Zelda tech demo that looked like a Twilight Princess sequel. That was 12 or 13 years ago now. I don't blame the people who say they want to go back "to the original" style even if that wasn't actually the original format, it's just the one that became a formula at all. For people who like Zelda 2, I feel for ya. You've been waiting a long long time
just say you ain't tryna be no bish bro... sal goodman
😆 I didn’t “completely” agree with your take on the game, but I was “completely” entertained by it!! 😆
That’s way more than I can say for most TH-camrs in general!
Cheers!
Personally I prefer the modern formula of the zelda games because I love solve puzzles or explore an openworld and I think that nintendo did a great job with this game because they tried to please the entire community
It's a mixed bag for me. BOTW worked great, but TOTK and EOW didn't do it for me in the same way BOTW did.
Zelda always had puzzles
@@gabrielsandor3474 Arguably old Zelda had better puzzles BECAUSE there were only about 1 or 2 total solutions to them.
@megaman37456 not arguably, definitely. When 90% of your "puzzles" can be solved with your first instinctual decision then it wasn't a real puzzle. BotW was fine, the puzzles were mediocre but you had to engage with them and you couldn't do anything. TotK was a train wreck for anyone wanting real puzzles and not just a bunch of Lego toys that let you move on as long as you can attach any of the pieces from the box together. Classic Zelda was a masterclass of puzzles with steady progression aided by the linearity of the games. The new style just doesn't do that. Even with a more linear structure, the tri rod gives enough tools to lead to the same effect at least most of the time. Even positive reviewers like Beatemups has admitted that it felt weird and he didn't like the few times the game gave him actual puzzles and it stopped his constant progression because he's so used to just continuing forward from the recent games. That's all I need to hear to know I'm not interested after watching the trailers and seeing nothing I liked in them
@@Chronoflation Yea i forgot how push box and shoot eye ball were cleaver designs. clown take
1:45 Bro minish cap looks EXACTLY like cadence of hyrule 😂
I honestly feel the same about modern Nintendo titles as a whole. A few of them have that old magic still intact but most of them just feel kind of plastic and mass-produced, or at least moreso than they used to be. NES to Gamecube was the golden era, tho I think every handheld (excluding the Switch if you even count it) was amazing. Another niche content creator I like made a generally negative Nintendo video years ago and he got slammed by tons of criticism and mocking comments too lmao, happens. Your content makes people like me feel more heard tbh
I definitely agree about the art style, not my thing. I might still try this game because some of the gameplay mechanics look cool. But yeah, pixel art 4ever!!!
@@mrsnulch this is why I miss having a Nintendo home console with a handheld companion device. I still think some of the most beautiful pixel art was made on the Nintendo ds
I dissagree with all your points, but with what nintendo is doing legally lately anyreason is good to not support nintiendo
i understand your point of view, but i believe the problem here is that you seem not capable to accept change. they may going back or not, but TLoZ is more than just graphics and shaders.
Zelda has changed with every game. If that was the problem he wouldn't have played any of the games after Ocarina, lol
his biggest gripe is with the gameplay... did you even watch the video?
@@AgentOrange502 no, and neither did most people here. They saw a video complaining about a game they love and of those only a handful even made it past the first minute before clearly dropping into the comments. Video goes on to compliment Samus Aran and point out how he plays Metroid for her, but people still claiming it's about sexism and other bs. Though, I do get retorting to one part of a video like this guy kinda did, as it seems to be a response to the visuals. Sometimes there's just one point that doesn't sit right, so benefit of the doubt. But the self-righteous "you seem not capable to accept change" line tells me he's fucking full of himself and belittles others he disagrees with, so benefit of the doubt gone, lol
Finally people that think the main character is zelda and don't know the protagonists name is link will be right
Yawn. Your take is tedious. The game is genuinely great. You are missing out.
No it’s not
@@SwineofSlaughter oh yes it is
@@0bvious nope
@@SwineofSlaughteroh yes it is
@@artagle_14 no it’s not
Personally i have no problem with the art style and i like the game (i dig the summoner play-style)
But i understand and share your concern about future Zelda games becoming more like BotW (which was honestly mid) and less like true Zelda games.
Better than most. Which is why botw had higher sales, reviews, pretty much everything so please leave the series. I hope you people all leave so we don’t have to hear your whiny takes.
@@hass556 It's mid.
@@hass556 I'd like to know how many of these sales even finished the Great Plateau. A big swath of casuals came flooding in with these sales. No one cares about reviews (at least by "game critics" and urinalists). And yes, I hope the casuals leave again. Gatekeep or be gatekept.
That being said: I quite enjoyed BotW, and to a lesser extend TotK, as well as EoW currently. But I can't say it captures the magic like any of their predecessors. EoW is cute, though.
all this video did was convince me to play Tunic, and I'm all for it
all my tattoos are from Loz and it think this game looks hideous. Anyone who likes this gotta be born after 2000,
I don't really think the damsel in distress is a good reason for someone to become a hero as what I feel you are suggesting. Aside from this point, I liked BOTW but TOTK started something about fusing, stuff that reminds me of minecraft from someone who doesn't like minecraft and its very weird physics gimmicks that it started annoying me. I liked TOTK but I do not want Zelda to become a game where these kinds of puzzles or "abilities/items" are the main thing because it makes the games really repetitive whereas older titles would offer more variety in the set of items.
I don't like EoW' artstyle either, I tried LA and I didn't like the artstyle and EoW is not fixing that plus I like Zelda and I don't mind her being the protagonist, but her gameplay looks so boring to me.
I played OOT recently and wow, I had an amazing time. I'm looking forward to buy a new PC so I can play older games or wait for a new remasters of older games because, while I'm open to open-world Zelda myself, TOTK didn't quite nail it imo, BOTW was a first attempt and I enjoyed it a ton though.
I'm not opposed to changes but if I don't like the changes I can always play the older games luckily.
From general feedback I've heard about this game since it launched, the main obstacle for me is what sounds like the big step back in complexity of the puzzles.
Playing Tunic while saying this is diabolical 😂
Playing tunic while saying this is an example of why you need returning customers as well as new ones.
@@Tenacityfromtheglass While i agree I don't want to stop companies from being innovative or creative. Would do you believe fans and gamers collectively want in newer games that wouldn't be considered repetitive, boring or doesn't divide fans I'm genuinely curious
@Londonlink Well, look at from software.
They built an audience with dark souls and gave that audience more of what it wanted with Dark Souls 2, then they made Dark Souls but lovecraftian and gave us Dark Souls 3. After that they gave us Dark Souls but with Samurai and now we have Elden ring which is just an open world Dark Souls game that doesn't stray away from any of its original design. Last time I checked fans of from software don't think that they make repetitive or boring games.
@@Londonlink companies can still be innovative and creative. It's called making new IP like how they did with pikman and animal Crossing on the gamecube
@@Tenacityfromtheglass Like what though what would you add to modern gaming ?
5:01 eh, I’m not 100% thrilled on the art style, but it looks fun, and they’ve said for years they’d want Zelda to play differently than Link. 🤷♂️
ima get it, we don’t live in a perfect world where companies are like disney movies, life is full of people we don’t like, its just a video game and ima enjoy it regardless of what people think or believe. If i wanted to be a saint, i wouldn’t even have bought a console or bought chocolate, or food because some way or another it all comes back to corruption
These games are not Zelda anymore. I don't mind the open-world, it's the breaking weapons, survival mechanics, bad music, repetitive gameplay, etc. An open-world Zelda could be amazing, but TOTK is by far the worst Zelda game. It's even worse than Phantom Hourglass, and that gane sucks.
They're more Zelda than any other 3D Zelda game.
@@TheRealNintendoKid Pretty sure OoT, MM, WW, and TP's mere existence proves you wrong.
I like Phantom Hourglass 😭
@@TheRealNintendoKid bro didnt even play zelda 1 😂😂😂 if you did you'd know you're wrong
I did buy the game, and so far I've made it past the first dungeon. It is definitely a good game but I haven't really gotten around to it yet. I really liked Link's Awakening remake so I'll probably end up enjoying it. And yeah I understand not liking the art style
5:31 eh. Personally bad take. I’ve played since the early 90’s and I’m hyped to be able to play as Zelda.
Was literally in happy tears when I saw the reveal and was like “oh shit this is big”. 🤷♂️
5:45 does that mean you hate DKC 2 because it’s diddy and Dixie?
5:32 look man, i get what youre saying, but donkey kong was the worst example you could have chosen, in the original trilogy, donkey kong was only playable in the first game, yet the 2nd game is the usually called the best one
People need to start asking about intent, like why do you want Zelda as the damsel in distress rather than assuming you're a misogynist - and I like you reasoning, sometimes the classic story and gameplay is fine, if not better.
Tunic is very nice, very cryptic.
I'm 10 hours in it's pretty average. I'm not the biggest fan of the art style either. I'm starting to dislike Zelda tropes such as pausing and playing a tune when you solve a baby puzzle like opening a door..
I've collected and played all Zelda games dating back to the first..And the latest two 3d zelda games, I really didn't get hooked on, partly because I've become a bit more of a fan of the more linear zelda games, something that Zelda link to the past kick started.
I also thought botw and zelda Totk had somewhat boring bosses compared to previous zelda games.
Links awakening is a great game, but this is not. I don’t know what game the shills in the comments section are playing but it’s not the same Zelda game I am.
I don’t want to play as Zelda either. But I weirdly liked the game a lot. Just don’t do it again Nintendo!
Personally, I don't have any problem with the artstyle. It looks good, but its not my favorite, so whatever.
My problem is that they are trying to bring the 3D games formula over the 2D games, when there was a CLEAR oportunity to have two very distinct gameplay structures running in tandem, keeping everyone happy and avoiding(or at least reducing) the potential fatigue of any given formula. But no, this game also needs to be open ended and minecraft-y. Not that I hate it, but the new 3D games formula aren't my favorite, especially given that dungeons and progression is still bad.
Though I appreciate them making Zelda distinct and not Link but with Boobs(As I don't have a problem playing as other characters in a Zelda game, as long as Link is the protagonist in most of them). Though they didn't escape from that entirely.
Lol, she literally transforms into Link with boob's after getting the sword 🤣
You got a point here. Feels like Nintendo been fixing experimental bullshit with marketing to fill the gap and sell whatever they have been working on as a great game
I don't like this art style either.
I wouldn't expect BOTW/TOTK open air style to go away though. While some fans of the older games don't like them, some of us that have been playing since the NES did enjoy the new style too. These games aren't just successful incredibly so compared to the series' prior history. And BOTW continuing to sell well and TOTK coming out the gate swinging despite BOTW being divisive for some older fans doesn't really give much incentive for them to swap back to the old style for now. Whether one likes the new style or not I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for the next Zelda game on Switch 2 to go back to the LTTP/OOT formula.
As for the last point, I can kind of see where you're coming from. I'm not against the idea of Zelda being the protagonist, but sadly there's not really anything all that engaging about this particular incarnation of Zelda honestly. It was a decision they made after deciding to deemphasize the sword combat in favor of echoes, and it definitely feels like it's an afterthought here. So while in theory I think Zelda getting her own game could have been interesting in practice I didn't really end up caring for it all that much here. Peronally though I'd rather the next mainline Zelda just let you pick Link's gender like a Fire Emblem protagonist than have Zelda as the PC anyway.
«Everyone is so easily offended these days»…ironic.
Don’t like the graphics and representation? Fair enough, but that part of the video is undermined by the latter part.
What was even the point of this video?
I can hear the fedora falling off your head 😂
The game is genuinely unique and fun. I find it ironic you’re using tunic gameplay and calling link’s awakening too cutsie lol
Idk man, I find Tunic cute, but not cutsie. Those are different things in my book. Like the difference between an all ages childrens cartoon and a cartoon for children. Like Octonauts vs Daniel Tiger. Octonaughts go on adventures in the sea and when they find seahorses doing a mating dance, they suddenly decide to leave, an obvious sex implication for the adults in the room, but innocent enough that kids wouldn't even think anything of it, meanwhile Daniel Tiger looks at the viewer through the screen and talks about how when he gets angry and wants to roar he takes a deep breath and counts to 4.
It is a bit ironic though, you aren't wrong. I just can understand why tunic wouldn't be such a turn off, and the mood of the scene is probably a big part of that
@@Chronoflation the game plays and looks like a cartoon for kids of all ages. Same as tunic lol they’re stylized differently.
It’s ok to dislike the style but let’s not pretend it’s any different and act like it being cute is the problem.
@@Vadnarr well yeah, but that stylized can be enough to make someone love one and be repulsed by the other. Who hasn't seen anime they thought were ugly despite very obviously having an "anime art style"? Doesn't mean you have to agree and it can come off as ironic or hypocritical if you don't see that much of a difference, but some people can and will
It is a very good Zelda game. I really like that the dungeons have puzzles that make me work my brain to solve them, and even some boss battles or simple caves offer you the challenge of trying to solve them with the tools you have. Not all games have to be about breaking through with brute force, like Elden Ring, which despite all its DLC is my GOTY. Anyway, you won't know what you're missing until you try it and give it a chance.
Didn't miss much IMO. The game was fun but kind of mid for a Zelda game. Only a few of the dungeons were that memorable for me. I don't care for the echo based combat system, and very very few of the traversal puzzles required much thinking. It was a similar issue to TOTK. Sure there's a lot I could theoretically do here but it's too open in many cases meaning many of the same easy solutions work across the board and I rarely really have to puzzle something out.
I literally only care about the mainstream Link games anyways. Could care less about any others, echoes of wisdom was just another game they churned out quickly to get close to the budget of the next part to botw and totk. If not I will also be ripping the ISO’s and ROMS continuously, cause the older era is still and always will be peak gaming.
Im not buying it either because this is just TOTK top down. Zelda as a protagonist doesn’t make sense.
Adds variety
How can you say that it's TOTK but top down while you didn't play the game . This game has a story and great dungeons it's more like a top down Twilight princess than TOTK The Hyrul field is a little bigger than a normal top down zelda game but it's not big enough to say that it's TOTK
As someone who 100%'d the game going in fully expecting 2D ToTK, it 100% is NOT 2D ToTK. It's not even open world, at least not by intentional design.
People have been asking for a playable zelda game for years, and not just women in the fandom either. The popular playable zelda mods were made primarily by men. Heaven forbid the devs make that actually come true once, for one game, when, as you even bring up yourself, can play as Link in literally every other game.
"Eww the game is too cutesy and girly!" are you a 12 year old boy? Secure adults don't need everything to be gritty, mature and manly to not feel insecure about themselves somehow
Literally nobody was asking except for like 3 people lol. You must be young
@@Goosewitdajuice317 Incorrect on both counts
Purchase whatever appeals to you the most
I dun care who i play as... as long as it's fun or interesting and the story is good. I might pick it up later, but nothing has piqued my interest so far.
Also, I'm not too happy with their patent lawsuit shenanigans atm, so I'm not going to be supporting them for a bit, even at the cost of my favorite franchise.
that sucks.
thank you for sharing your opinion.
6:29 ooooooof. Bro. No. Just why.
Using the R slur in 2024. You seemed cool in the “what I miss about older games”, so I decided to dive into your backlog, but as someone who has autism…nah that word ain’t it.
I don't like that toy art style either
I don't want to use gameplay of Echoes of Wisdom. I already feel like Nintendo's going to bust down my door 😅
Outside of the artstyle, which I too find horrible, I cant agree with you.
well i like experiment...but i prefer it more when the don't come after more than 10 years from the last normal game 😂
this video feels like IA lmao
You speak my mind
Bro is making a mistake 😂
I like the art. I like the game. If you think of it as a pokemon game your better off. Using monsters to fight monsters
I just dont want to give nintendo anymore money. Their business practices are horrible. Maybe one day they will stop stomping on the little guys and attacking their fans.
I’m not buying it either. First time I’ve ever felt like this about a Zelda game.
Not enough improvement? they are literally 2 seperate games.
Is this an AI voice? Seems pretty fake.
@Narrative_Ink If I was using an Ai voice, I'd go for someone like a Patrick Stewart, not a nasally sounding nerd on the internet 😄
Great satire 🤣
I agree with you regarding Zelda. I expect to play as Link when playing a Zelda game. Link is the hero and no Zelda doesn't need him? Lame.
People complaining about playing as Zelda is insane to me. You mean the character the series is named after? Y'all crazy 😭😭😭
I enjoy your channel and even enjoy this video but your takes on EoW are bizarre and weird to me. Gives me "there there gramma, back to bed" vibes.
As a small channel on TH-cam, I'm really just stumbling around in the dark, trying to find out what both you and I enjoy and I'm aware that it's going to produce some hot takes and even bad takes along the way. A lot of it is just exaggerated for Flair, For example, when I say things like Nintendo is evil, I'm really just trying to say that I'm a pissed off fan. My biggest hurdle is trying to turn things into content, but in real life I'm not actually upset about the graphics or the fact that I can't play as Link in Echoes of wisdom. My reason for not wanting to buy the game really just comes down to preference. I hope me being transparent doesn't subtract from your opinion of me because I would hate to delete every moment I came off as cringe on my channel just to appeal to everyone. If you want to know the honest truth, my latest video was the most fun I've ever had creating something. I wasn't trying to be relevant or click baity and it took me being vulnerable to realize where I want to take my content moving forward. I really appreciate your feedback because it helps me grow as a person, not just some "content creator"
@@Tenacityfromtheglass Hey there, all good brother. I started my comment by pointing out that I do enjoy the channel and even this video because I do genuinely enjoy the way you're presenting yourself. I'd rather watch an opinion I disagree with from a creator I like than a creator I dislike agreeing with me or a creator I like being fake for views 10 times out of 10. Keep being yourself and I'll stick around. Peace!
Nintendo is also a shit company so even if the games were innovative and great, I would not buy them.
Honeslty yeah you cooking a bit, i wasn't a fan of a huge BOTW, it had moments and i def like it but it's not zelda to me, TOTK even more so, fantastic video games, so so zelda games, and i didn't really like the links awakening remake and i have no interest in a zelda style game
On you're point about DEI ik many people will flame you but trust when i say I'm on your side, but like it's not because i don't want to play as a woman, on the complete contrary actually i love playing as female characters i think that's sick, but the way the gaming industry has been going about it is to push messages and show it to the gamers (doesn't help that the industry is full of activists who are rasist towards anything that isn't a black female, i will never forgive ign for the blaten racism towards asians when AC Shadows got dropped, ON ASIAN HERITAGE MONTH TOO)
But yeah on top of that it's also you're opinion to not buy this game which i can respect, and if others enjoy this game that's fine too, keep it up mate
I'd be very curious to know what you think of the artstyle of my game! Could you take a peek?
Do you do anything other than complain?
Lol word, I'm here getting laughs off it but seems he's wondering why all games suck and hasn't realised it's probably due to depression
It’s def not for everyone. I think fans of puzzle games and cozy games aka girls will love it the most. It makes sense since it stars princess zelda.
…boys don’t like puzzle games and cozy games? 😭
@@mongigii unless its stardew valley or harvest moon not really no. Majority of "cozy" gamers are women.
dude is missing out
Alright, you won't be missed. Zelda were suppose to be the hero a long. Because the game is called LEGEND OF ZELDA.
Legend of zelda is not about Zelda, its about hyrule, its about a hero who saved hyrule from the perspective of zelda.
She is the narrator just like in the movie 300. The story was told from the perspective of dilios about leonidis
@@thesis-and-nieces6722 You have no idea what LEGEND OF means.
Then they should have called it Zelda, or adventures of Link.
Legend of means "Primary about that person" Learn english!
Zelda was not meant to be the playable hero all along, lol
The stories revolve around her and her significance to the gods and kingdom and the hero, link (you) is meant to learn about it through his adventures.
But i do agree with one thing, this dude won't be missed.
@@midnightnavigator Then tell me where is Zelda in oracle of seasons and Link's awakening?
You're entitled to your opinion even if it's wrong. :3
Yaaa I was looking forward to a zelda game where you get to play as Zelda. I was hoping for a OoT or TP artstyle and maybe her move set would be like what she has in smash bros… and then this game came out and it looked boring as hell lol. She gets to move furniture around and possess enemies to fight for her. Pretty lame looking ngl. I’m glad people like it but I’m waiting to pick this up when I see it in a clearance bin.
Also, I agree with you on the current direction the series is going. BotW and TotK are crazy successful financially and they are objectively great games, probably best In the franchise. And I do not like them at all, I really miss the old style of the series. Oh well, maybe the indie/double A scene can fill the void one day. Kena Bridge of Spirits was fun.
This is honestly a great parody opinion piece!
Not only you close yourself to great series like fire emblem but you are also being very lame, you only wsnt the same repetitive shit, playing as mario in mario? Boring when there is cooler characters, why would i want to play with gay link when i can play with zelda
'I could really care less'
It's couldn't care less seppo, couldn't, get it right.
If you're going to have eternally bad takes, at least speak English correctly.
Classic insecure dudebro take
Commented multiple times. Your zesty self is in your feelings 😂
@@Goosewitdajuice317 Doing tricks on it
Bro, modern Zelda is better than any of the 3D dogshit you guys call "classic." And so is the original 2D stuff. You're not a Zelda fan, you're an Ocarina of Time fanboy.
OoT is still the best Zelda game in the series, If you think BoTW/ToTK/EoW are better than OoT, MM, WW, and TP, you're the fanboy here.
As a longtime fan since 2000 you’re missing out it’s a great game graphics are cute and just because they’re cute doesn’t mean it’s bad you’re probably just some overly macho guy that quivers at the site of a flower or the color pink this video is ridiculous and so is your take this game is fantastic. It’s not AAA, but it doesn’t need to be.
The extreme MISS on what you think this game is, it's wild.
It's funny you like wind wakers aesthetic is better because this whole video reminds me of the reviews for ww on release
Lmao this ain't that. You would have had to be there during ww to understand
This is an L take my friend
gamers gotta be some of the most reactionary people i’ve ever seen. the game isn’t for you, that’s fine. not liking the art style is fine but expecting new games to be like old games is so delusional. here’s some news for you: the world will never be like how it was yesterday. things change dude, get to grips w it or get left behind
He wants to play as link!!!! Such a great thinker with the innovative idea!
Cringe
The larger majority of the Zelda fan base and people in general don't care your reason for not buying the game.
And the Nintendo haters will agree with you because they convinced themselves that Nintendo is like Ubisoft or something stupid like that.