2 vids in a row without Linus. . . . . Luke's killed Linus and taken over LinusMediaGroup! Strange videos about hiding 'things' makes perfect sense now.
probably going to be a much different story when Dx12 becomes more mainstream expect it to much better utilise those extra cpu cores giving it a edge over the mainstream series
+Droogie128 It will, because Intels mainstream CPU's will probably stick to 4 cores, 6 cores for mainstream CPU's probably won't be for another few years when DX12 is working fully, has complete GPU support, and is mainstream. 4 cores is just much easier to handle, heat wise.
+Tokyo Drift You should read up on what DX12 actully does, rather then going with these wrong assumptions. DX12 won't add support for more cores, as DX11 already supports all the current cpu's and there cores. What DX12 will do, is throw a bunch of the current cpu based task over on the gpu. Thereby making your games work better with lesser cpus. It won't change a thing for guys running the X99.
My 5820k is overclocked to 4.5ghz with a h100i gtx, using only 1.250v, if you're planning to start a streaming channel this is the cpu to go with, 10% usage with OBS and a bunch of web tabs open, not a single frame lost when gaming and streaming.
Powersupply should be the best piece of your system anyway, its basically insurance + college tuition + rainy day jar wrapped into one. So if something goes wrong, such as oversupply from the wall, your powersupply should be the only thing that dies if anything were to do so. So tl;dr, if I wasn't a college student working 12h a week I would plan my system then buy the highest rated powersupply I can that is within the wattage I require + 20%. Cuz for eg: I dont think they make platinum 500W supplies yet.
+Luis Ortiz Yes, but not every sample can hit 4.5Ghz, the 5820k, you are an extremely lucky guy if your sample is stable under stress tests. On average, the 5820 can hit around ~4.3-4.4Ghz @1.3V. So guys don't go out and buy a 5820k just because you expect your sample to hit 4.5Ghz, you could end up having a hard time getting the thing to go past 4.2Ghz. If you want better OC performance out of haswell, go for the 5930k.
The funny thing is That the 5820k CPU is a bit cheaper than the 6700k in Sweden xD but the x99 motherboards is a bit more expensive.. So I went for an 5820k cuz the 2 more core and I got motherboard, ram and a 1tb ssd for a great deal :P
+Rickzzen fantastic! the 5820k is for content production and overall higher throughput, the mainstream CPU's are going to be OKish for games, but when you want to run VM's, play youtube videos and maybe even run a game, x99 can handle that, mainstream, not so much, remember, the benchmarks are done in DUAL channel for x99(Luke mentioned it), in QUAD channel, you're going to benefit QUITE A BIT
+zdringy yea I got 4 sticks of ram. (32 gb) but one or two of the sticks are not functioning correct. But your right. I wanted that 6th core for better multitasking :P
I'm I the only one who would love a full rundown from the i7 920 to 2600K, 3770K an d so on to the current gen 5820/6700K? I still know a bunch of people rocking the 920 slightly OCed with minimum upgrades. Like most of them put in a SSD around 2010 and a new midrange graphics card like in 2012/early 2013. These systems are now closing in to six-seven years old but still manage to hold up in games and day to day use. One of the guys i know put in a GTX970 on launch and he is having a blast. A fun thing would be to see the cost of the system per year of use. ($1000 computer used for 3 years in $333 a year) My 3770K, 8GB DDR3 and GTX660 build from April 2012 is till going strong. No games has been to demanding (I'm not a graphicswhore) and no HW upgrades has been done. The next test for it is Fallout4. Having a rig for three or more years was pretty much unthinkable in the early 2000's. High end Pentiums and early core2 duos with 1-2 gigs of RAM was pretty much unusable within 2 years. I only got a little over 2 years from my core2duo E6600, 2GB RAM and 8800GTS 320MB...
vesleengen Same here 2 years later. Got a 2014 system with the 5820k OCed to 4.5 GHZ, 8GB of DDR4 and a 780 Ti OCed to the equivalent of a 1060 OC on Unheaven Engine. This system makes light work of everything I throw at it and I expect it to last like 6 years since it has 12 threads, so it's still up to date on that sense.
@@TheThunderwars yes, i7s from Sandy Bridge and later could be used almost on everything, within normal resulutions (1080p and lower), we never seen 10 year old CPU still usable in computer history before. This aplied to 2000's, 1990's and 1980's. Imagine using 4 MHZ IBM PC in 1991, when 486 was out. :) That thing would not even run windows 3.11. Same applies in 2000's, 486 from 1990 would be completly useless. But now, we can use 10 year old Sandy Bridge. I even using Q6600 to this date, it's still usable on normal tasks, although demanding games after year 2012 are problems. Still can run Crysis 1 and 2 on the decent settings. Anyway, one issue to use so old platforms for year, is power consumption. You basicaly pay new processor on electricity after those years. This is the reason to move at least to newest Ryzen 3/5 CPUs, if you want to use it for another couple of years. If 4C/8T is still enough for you, Ryzen 3 3300x is a no brainer, it's powerconsumption is so low, it's even like 55W on load, when graphic card is idling. I'm thinking about upgrading to i7-3770, well xeon variant that costs about 25$, and trying to get used motherboard. For me, it's enough, as I don't playing demanding games.
To be honest, i really enjoy the multi part series where you guys do some massive project like the whole room water cooling, the submerged pc, and so on.
Awesome. I recall a video you guys made at a tech show, showing the Intel booth displaying a skylake machine. It was showing off it's 4K workflow. I was very impressed with how well that machine was handling the footage, granted I know the rest of the build had a lot to do with that. With this new comparison, you guys should do a build focusing on 4K editing. I know you know more about it than I, and I would be interested in what you would recommend as a mid-high end build. I use my PC for editing first, gaming second. Over the last couple of years, the type of build that this type of use translates to has drastically changed.
Comon guys.... who is going to buy a 5820k and not overclock it? Its stock clock is at 3.3GHz, but most overclock them to 4.5GHz easily. The 6700k has a stock clock of 4GHz, but most only overclock them up to 4.6 or 4.7GHz. Do this test again, but overclock the CPUs (on the same cooler at 75 degrees each on prime95) -- which is the configuration most will use them in.
dude seriously thank you. You made my decision final. can always just youtube whatever tech i need info on or an EXACT comparison and end it with linus and bam. there it is. bench marks and tons of hours of camparing done for me in a quick snippet. THANKS!
Yes i would like to see more of that kind of videos that are like scrap yard wars, that are multiple episodes long and you know, made a little more entertaining than the normal informative videos. :)
+Kael Totally my point. And in the end, why buying a K chip if you dont overclock. This should have been tested at same clocks for both chips since the 6700k is 4.2ghz turbo and the 5820k is only 3.6ghz. Both will clock about the same when overclocked so you should simply have ran those test at 4.4 or 4.5 ghz. ( a mr nobody overclock )
I actually really like Luke's videos, I can see why Linus has let him take over so much of the workload, Keep up the good work Luke, Its always appreciated by me.
Scrapyard wars is probably the best entertaiment that I have ever seen in youtube.. Even though I really don't understand anything about computer building and I'm a happy Apple user. Thank you Linus and crew!
I hope you guys do a Part 2 of this video that overclocks 5820K to a more reasonable 4.3-4.5Ghz and i7 6700K to 4.7-4.8Ghz. Overclocked performance is key because not only are both of these K series chips meant for this task, but the 5820K starts off at a very low base clock which means it should theoretically benefit much more from overclocking as at stock it's too penalized in IPC by lower clocks. Secondly, please add more multi-tasking benchmarks to show just how much do we actually get from the extra 2 cores. You could also try to do a multi-tasking scenario of using multiple apps like streaming, video encoding and gaming at the same time. I bet if you guys do that the 5820K @ 4.4Ghz will trounce an i7 6700K @ 4.8Ghz.
Thanks for this comparison. From a music production standpoint, X99 is a great platform for use with multi core enabled DAWs & VSTs (with the added expense of a graphics card) but Z170 is now supporting Thunderbolt 3 which has the best low latency for recording/tracking so it ultimately depends on your individual scenario
I mean, nobody is perfect. Linus, for some reason, uses that text reader which he has to touch every now and then - Luke doesn't. On the other hand, Luke thinks he's funny, and he's not - Linus is hilarious. I like potatoes.
Let me just adjust the scores as if they were BOTH overclocked. I took 4.4GHz for the 5820k (stat average is 4.5-4.6 so this is lower) and 4.8GHZ for the 6700k (stat average also about 4.6). Basically I'm giving the 6700k a fighting chance. Performance % is the 5820k relative to the 6700k. Cinebench 5820k scores 1360, 6700k scores 1066. 5820k at 127% performance up from 114% at stock speeds. 7-Zip 5820k scores 40928, 6700k scores 29963. 5820k at 136% performance up from 123% at stock speeds. Dolphin thing 5820k does 399 seconds, 6700k does 340 seconds. 5820k at 85% performance up from 77% at stock speeds. Webxpt 5820k scores 493, 6700k scores 527. 5820k at 94% performance up from 84% stock speeds. So even with a less-likely high OC on the 6700k, a less than average 5820k OC brings single core performance much closer to equal, and then in multi-core applications absolutely crushes the 6700k, and honestly where I live, the x99 setup costs just as much as z170. Basically, buy a 6600k unless you REALLY need more power, the only logical next step up is the 5820k. I've been telling this to people for weeks now.
What i found interesting is that my 6700k @ 4,7 all core that i got in my budget build performs better in cinebench r15 than the 5820k in this video, so yeah thats still pretty damn good if you ask me
I just got the x-99 for my computer build I did last month. It was such an improvement that needed for my video production. Love my setup with 32 gigabytes of ram in four channel mode. Will upgrade in a couple months or so to 64.
Given those prices you quoted, I got a steal on the X99/5820K combo I bought. Add in 16GB RAM and I paid $600 plus sales tax. There are comparable 6700K combinations available as well for a little higher than what I paid for the combo I bought, but the client that is getting the machine I'm building will be needing the higher core/thread count of the 5820K given some of what he wants to get into. Plus a higher core count also means you can run more processes on your system without impacting other processes.
Yes, more content like Scrapyard Wars would be good. I don't have a specific format to suggest, but anything that has you and your friends questing around the province would be sure to entertain. The videos that are most fun to watch are the ones you have the most fun making, for example failing to destroy two consecutive generations of Dell XPS laptops with rainwater. Keep goofing off and filming it, I'll keep watching.
I really don't like that you compared them on stock speeds. I think a comparison at an average OC speed would be more representative of the real would usage.
+John Doe (Smagjus) I'd rather know what I'm getting right out of the box. Besides, you can OC the 6700K higher than the 5820K, so an average speed wouldn't represent what most people who buy them are going to be running them at.
+John Doe (Smagjus) Although you can overclock the 6700k to about 4.6Ghz on average, the 5820k also overclocks to about 4.3Ghz on average, with a sensible amount of volts[~1.3v]. So you could see a 30% improvement on average if you overclock the 5820k, versus 15% for the 6700k, this brings the 5820k much closer to the 6700k in STP, not to mention it pulls ahead like a champ in mulithreaded workloads.
Cloud VII Now that ain't an average overclock is it? Most people aren't going to get a stable overclock above 4.6ghz[Average sample] to 4.8Ghz[good sample] while keeping the voltage sensible, and not spending too much on cooling.
Problem. You didnt overclock. The 5820k is 3.3 ghz, and the 6700k is 4.0 ghz (without counting turbo). Thats NOT a small difference. considering how easily the 5820k overclocks to around 4.5ghz. The single threaded performance of the 6700k is a joke compared to haswell/devils canyon. Its almost nothing. The real benefits are things you didnt discuss.
I have an idea, you can start taking suggestions of people's comments for the last line in the intro (like the one at 0:41). You can announce if the next episode has a certain theme or it can be random so people can comment.
@ Linus, Thanks for this great video. Even though it is older it is still very relevant since these processors are the two top dogs for gamers. I am a gamer and currently use the i7-2600k @4.5ghz on the P8P67 chipset. I enjoy very CPU intensive games like DayZ and ArmA 2 and 3. I also like to stream and that is where the problems start for me. While just gaming I noticed my CPU would hit at around 25% usage under gaming load. When I start OBS with my video camera running my CPU would max out at 100%! This is why I feel that the Skylake may not help me out much more than what I have right now, but the Haswell-e may be a better solution with the added cores. I run 1080p now but am planning on jumping up to something between that and 4k. I have heard that there are some major CPUs (Skylake-e) as well as GPUs coming out in the 3rd quarter of 2016 so now I don’t know if I should just wait it out or jump in with an already older Haswell-e…..Very confused since none of this is cheap. What to do? LOlz
5820k owner here, built my X99 rig Sep 1st 2014. Running 5820k stable 24/7 1.35v @ 4.4ghz and 16gb DDR4-3000. 6700k is a really nice CPU, but it simply wasn't available over a year ago when I upgraded. As a gamer if I was buying today I would probably get a 6700k and push for 4.7ghz. A year ago my rig was justified because it seemed like DX12 was really going to see a big boost for 6 core CPUs. Now it does not look that way and it's still a ways off before we have any retail DX12 titles.
you should have OC'ed them both to like 4.5 on the i7 5820k and 4.7-4.7 on the 6700k to represent how most people buying $ 300-500 CPU's will actually use them.
I think it would be interesting to have some sort of building competition featuring some of the other guys (like teams) or a competition limited to only LMG-owned hardware (like an office scavenger hunt build.)
Just built a z170 system with the 6700k, this video helped validate that decision ;). also in Australia I'd be looking at several hundred dollars more for an x99 setup so I never even bothered looking much into it
Now u need to do a 4770k, 4790k, 4960x, 6700k, 5820k, 5930k, 5960x showdown. Give all of them 16 GB of Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM at 2400 MHZ, either DRR3/4 respectively. Paired with a 970, 970 2 way SLI, 980, 980 2 way SLI, 980Ti, 980Ti 2 way SLI, Titan X, Titan X 2 way SLI. For the hard drive give them 730 series SSDs.
It is in the UK too, much more expensive than the US. Go for the 5820k. I did, it's amazing. Overclocks to 4.5ghz quite easily and will blow away a 6700k in everything but synthetic single core benchmarks.
+MrRedRye Yes, it sure does overclock well, but you would need to spend more on appropriate cooling and power delivery for your system. Even still, it is not guaranteed to reach 4.5 Ghz like your sample, most of them will reach ~4.3 @ 1.3 volts. Thus the single threaded performance will still be greater than 10 % lesser than the average overclocked 6700k. But regardless of that, the additional two cores are much more desirable if you're going to throw multi threaded loads at it.
Alright guys, I calculated this: 3.3 Ghz x 6 cores = 19,8 4 Ghz x 4 cores = 16 19,8/16 = 123,8% 7-Zip results = 30696 / 24969 = 122,9% almost the same ----------------------- 4.2Ghz Turbo/3.6Ghz Turbo = 116,7% WEBXPRT results = 439/370 = 118,6% almost the same. Conclusion: In multi-threaded applications (3:50) the performance equals "base clock speed x cores". In single-threaded applications (4:30) the performance equals "turbo clock speed". In GPU intensive applications (5:10) the performance equals your GPU's performance, provided the CPU does not bottleneck it. Nothing earth-shattering, but it just goes to show you that there is no additional microarchitecture magic to it.
5820k is now $40 cheaper than the 6700k which is out of stock and prices are climbing. The x99 boards on black friday sale make the 170 Skylake way more expensive, by about $100, if you can even find one.
Yeah, the only downfall of the 5820k is the dam motherboards cost so much. But if I was into multi-tasking or video editing it would be worth it. I got lucky, got a 4790k for 289.00, a z97 mb that was normally $200 for $113 after rebate, and 16gb of g skill 2400 for $60. I went the z97 route which saved me $300 bucks to put towards a better gpu. Couldn't pass it up, and couldn't justify the small increase in 6700 performance for that much more money.
+xTheNikinator In Belgium it's 376€ for the 6700K and 430€ for the 5820K and the X99 is pretty expensive here too! X99: 400€ Z170: 200€ so I'm going for the 6700K lol
I rock the bigger brother the i7 5830k on my MSI X99S MPower Overclock Board (The Bumblebee) since 2014 and it will see 2025 in my use, I replaced the MSI GTX980 with an Asus RTX 3060 Ti Tuf Gaming OC 8 GB (The 3 fan model), And I am still happy.
2 vids in a row without Linus. . . . .
Luke's killed Linus and taken over LinusMediaGroup!
Strange videos about hiding 'things' makes perfect sense now.
+TheWayWeSee LukeMediaGroup. Dont even have to change the acronym LMS. Coincidence?
+Dredrik Salkon
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Spoiler: I'm on vessel and Austin Evans wins scrapyard wars, and takes over Linus Media Group. Linus is exiled to America.
+TheWayWeSee Dominance of King Luke ove LMG started with How to hide your porn video. Lets hope for the best...all hail King Luke!
*LukeMediaGroup
probably going to be a much different story when Dx12 becomes more mainstream expect it to much better utilise those extra cpu cores giving it a edge over the mainstream series
Assuming developers take advantage of it in time for it to matter anymore.
+Droogie128 It will, because Intels mainstream CPU's will probably stick to 4 cores, 6 cores for mainstream CPU's probably won't be for another few years when DX12 is working fully, has complete GPU support, and is mainstream. 4 cores is just much easier to handle, heat wise.
Ironside12 which means the extra threads won't matter much even with dx12. Not until 6+ cores become mainstream
+Ironside12 (Scott Hamilton) Soo... my next cpu in about 4 years should be a 6-8 core? I think a 4 core cpu should hold up pretty well until then.
+Tokyo Drift You should read up on what DX12 actully does, rather then going with these wrong assumptions.
DX12 won't add support for more cores, as DX11 already supports all the current cpu's and there cores.
What DX12 will do, is throw a bunch of the current cpu based task over on the gpu. Thereby making your games work better with lesser cpus.
It won't change a thing for guys running the X99.
Audio sounds weird or is it just me?
Just u sry
+Something Random Inc. Sounds like he has a stuffed nose on my end.
+TrueZtyleZ7 like every other video then
+Something Random Inc. Get out TROLLS posting this on every video.
+Something Random Inc. Its not just you.
My 5820k is overclocked to 4.5ghz with a h100i gtx, using only 1.250v, if you're planning to start a streaming channel this is the cpu to go with, 10% usage with OBS and a bunch of web tabs open, not a single frame lost when gaming and streaming.
***** Not sure if you're trolling or being serious...
+James Delgado If you can afford a 5820k and a X99 mobo you SHOULD be able to afford a good power supply
+hondannyboy omg...
Powersupply should be the best piece of your system anyway, its basically insurance + college tuition + rainy day jar wrapped into one. So if something goes wrong, such as oversupply from the wall, your powersupply should be the only thing that dies if anything were to do so.
So tl;dr, if I wasn't a college student working 12h a week I would plan my system then buy the highest rated powersupply I can that is within the wattage I require + 20%.
Cuz for eg: I dont think they make platinum 500W supplies yet.
+Luis Ortiz Yes, but not every sample can hit 4.5Ghz, the 5820k, you are an extremely lucky guy if your sample is stable under stress tests. On average, the 5820 can hit around ~4.3-4.4Ghz @1.3V. So guys don't go out and buy a 5820k just because you expect your sample to hit 4.5Ghz, you could end up having a hard time getting the thing to go past 4.2Ghz. If you want better OC performance out of haswell, go for the 5930k.
The funny thing is That the 5820k CPU is a bit cheaper than the 6700k in Sweden xD but the x99 motherboards is a bit more expensive.. So I went for an 5820k cuz the 2 more core and I got motherboard, ram and a 1tb ssd for a great deal :P
Nice.
+Rickzzen fantastic! the 5820k is for content production and overall higher throughput, the mainstream CPU's are going to be OKish for games, but when you want to run VM's, play youtube videos and maybe even run a game, x99 can handle that, mainstream, not so much, remember, the benchmarks are done in DUAL channel for x99(Luke mentioned it), in QUAD channel, you're going to benefit QUITE A BIT
+zdringy yea I got 4 sticks of ram. (32 gb) but one or two of the sticks are not functioning correct. But your right. I wanted that 6th core for better multitasking :P
whered you buy it from
ThePlushNinja where did I buy what from?
I'm early, better make a joke.
Intel Atom
I better make a joke too...
AMD :P
+You no
+Amusix BOOOO get off the stage
+Vulkanic I say YES. Haha
+You amd is good mate.
I think I'd still wanna go with X99 for sure. But money. Alas.
try now lol
would love another scrap yard wars
He is making one first Ep is on Vessel
+Geralt Of Rivia yay! thanks
+0SimpleSam yeah stop with this filler shit. no one gives a fuck. give us scrapyard wars
+0SimpleSam its already out on vessel.
+samuel rutledge whats vessel
he wants us to leaf a like
+2987ms Leafy's beefy ;D
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By far one of the best channels on TH-cam. Informative, well edited videos/production, easy and fun to watch!
You can overclock a 5820k you can't increase the number of cores on the 6700k though.
just download the extra cores
I'm I the only one who would love a full rundown from the i7 920 to 2600K, 3770K an d so on to the current gen 5820/6700K?
I still know a bunch of people rocking the 920 slightly OCed with minimum upgrades. Like most of them put in a SSD around 2010 and a new midrange graphics card like in 2012/early 2013. These systems are now closing in to six-seven years old but still manage to hold up in games and day to day use. One of the guys i know put in a GTX970 on launch and he is having a blast.
A fun thing would be to see the cost of the system per year of use. ($1000 computer used for 3 years in $333 a year)
My 3770K, 8GB DDR3 and GTX660 build from April 2012 is till going strong. No games has been to demanding (I'm not a graphicswhore) and no HW upgrades has been done. The next test for it is Fallout4.
Having a rig for three or more years was pretty much unthinkable in the early 2000's. High end Pentiums and early core2 duos with 1-2 gigs of RAM was pretty much unusable within 2 years.
I only got a little over 2 years from my core2duo E6600, 2GB RAM and 8800GTS 320MB...
+vesleengen If you like to read, www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/11
vesleengen Same here 2 years later. Got a 2014 system with the 5820k OCed to 4.5 GHZ, 8GB of DDR4 and a 780 Ti OCed to the equivalent of a 1060 OC on Unheaven Engine. This system makes light work of everything I throw at it and I expect it to last like 6 years since it has 12 threads, so it's still up to date on that sense.
@@TheThunderwars yes, i7s from Sandy Bridge and later could be used almost on everything, within normal resulutions (1080p and lower), we never seen 10 year old CPU still usable in computer history before. This aplied to 2000's, 1990's and 1980's. Imagine using 4 MHZ IBM PC in 1991, when 486 was out. :) That thing would not even run windows 3.11.
Same applies in 2000's, 486 from 1990 would be completly useless.
But now, we can use 10 year old Sandy Bridge. I even using Q6600 to this date, it's still usable on normal tasks, although demanding games after year 2012 are problems. Still can run Crysis 1 and 2 on the decent settings.
Anyway, one issue to use so old platforms for year, is power consumption. You basicaly pay new processor on electricity after those years. This is the reason to move at least to newest Ryzen 3/5 CPUs, if you want to use it for another couple of years. If 4C/8T is still enough for you, Ryzen 3 3300x is a no brainer, it's powerconsumption is so low, it's even like 55W on load, when graphic card is idling. I'm thinking about upgrading to i7-3770, well xeon variant that costs about 25$, and trying to get used motherboard. For me, it's enough, as I don't playing demanding games.
I'd like to see how the both perform at 4.5GHz vs each other.
To be honest, i really enjoy the multi part series where you guys do some massive project like the whole room water cooling, the submerged pc, and so on.
Fix the potato mic pls.
this helped so much. just what I was looking for. please do more comparison videos like this.
woah last time i came this early my girlfriend got pregnant
wow
+Bryn Then you made my fucking day, congratz
Last time I came this early the video wasn't over.
+Bryn Then k
+nazo333 Cinema Sins viewer is Cinema Sins viewer.
Thank you guys... Been searching everywhere for X99 compared to Z170 Videos before I buy
My 3770K is still doing fine, will hold out till cannon lake in 2017.
Still waiting?
Awesome. I recall a video you guys made at a tech show, showing the Intel booth displaying a skylake machine. It was showing off it's 4K workflow. I was very impressed with how well that machine was handling the footage, granted I know the rest of the build had a lot to do with that.
With this new comparison, you guys should do a build focusing on 4K editing. I know you know more about it than I, and I would be interested in what you would recommend as a mid-high end build.
I use my PC for editing first, gaming second. Over the last couple of years, the type of build that this type of use translates to has drastically changed.
The sound seems to be flatter than usual. Are you guys still moving things around or just rushing?
Been trying to find an answer to this question for months. Thanks
"With the price of DDR4 dropping"
Oh my how things have changed...
Excellent presentation, Luke!
Comon guys.... who is going to buy a 5820k and not overclock it? Its stock clock is at 3.3GHz, but most overclock them to 4.5GHz easily. The 6700k has a stock clock of 4GHz, but most only overclock them up to 4.6 or 4.7GHz. Do this test again, but overclock the CPUs (on the same cooler at 75 degrees each on prime95) -- which is the configuration most will use them in.
Damn it. Was hoping for another LinusFapTips video.
Let's watch a review about some items I'll never be able to afford Great idea brain!
+Numbers drop Really? it's only a few thousand dollars...
+DovahStud or get a job?
Good comparison. And thanks for the 4K videos! :-)
Please do i7-4790k vs i7-6700k
dude seriously thank you. You made my decision final. can always just youtube whatever tech i need info on or an EXACT comparison and end it with linus and bam. there it is. bench marks and tons of hours of camparing done for me in a quick snippet. THANKS!
Do this again when DX12 comes out!
+Tryte DX12 is available only with Windows 10 and supported Graphics Card drivers
michael hartman I know..? Your point being?
+Tryte point being it's out
+Jellso m.ign.com/articles/2015/08/17/first-look-at-directx-12-benchmark-results it's out. no games are out for it but it's out
michael hartman I knew I'd get a comment like this, I realise it's out but I mean when games support it. One benchmark isn't enough.
Yes i would like to see more of that kind of videos that are like scrap yard wars, that are multiple episodes long and you know, made a little more entertaining than the normal informative videos. :)
So stupid comparing high end systems without over clocking them first. What a waste of time, Luke, and you know it.
+Kael some people like don't want to destroy there hardware for 1 fps.
+je moeder op step like me*
+je moeder op step The chance to destroy your hardware with overclocking is near to zero if not a flat zero.
+Kael Totally my point. And in the end, why buying a K chip if you dont overclock.
This should have been tested at same clocks for both chips since the 6700k is 4.2ghz turbo and the 5820k is only 3.6ghz. Both will clock about the same when overclocked so you should simply have ran those test at 4.4 or 4.5 ghz. ( a mr nobody overclock )
***** That depends on coolers though because alot of people buy shit coolers. But why overclock anyway..... You gain almost nothing with it imo
I actually really like Luke's videos, I can see why Linus has let him take over so much of the workload, Keep up the good work Luke, Its always appreciated by me.
The new interior is god awful. Whoever came up with the idea that a set needs to look like an old barn has no taste for good rooms.
Scrapyard wars is probably the best entertaiment that I have ever seen in youtube.. Even though I really don't understand anything about computer building and I'm a happy Apple user. Thank you Linus and crew!
So, like always, you get an i5 for gaming even if it's clocked lower and a 5820k if you're into other stuff.
I hope you guys do a Part 2 of this video that overclocks 5820K to a more reasonable 4.3-4.5Ghz and i7 6700K to 4.7-4.8Ghz. Overclocked performance is key because not only are both of these K series chips meant for this task, but the 5820K starts off at a very low base clock which means it should theoretically benefit much more from overclocking as at stock it's too penalized in IPC by lower clocks. Secondly, please add more multi-tasking benchmarks to show just how much do we actually get from the extra 2 cores. You could also try to do a multi-tasking scenario of using multiple apps like streaming, video encoding and gaming at the same time. I bet if you guys do that the 5820K @ 4.4Ghz will trounce an i7 6700K @ 4.8Ghz.
Weird audio or it's just me ?
+Valarusar #mynigganoahisback
+Sandeep Jodhee No, you are the chosen one! You are the only one who has been divinely chosen to hear an audio difference! I relish in your privilege.
+Sandeep Jodhee The mic sounds shit to me.
Great comparison ....price difference is not that much
The reason I went with a 5820K is the 2 extra cores make the system feel special and it was an extra $20 so...
you're forgetting to account the increased price of the motherboard, X99 motherboards are more expensive my lord.
Junaid Nizami true
Glad to be of servive GABEN!!!
Thanks for this comparison.
From a music production standpoint, X99 is a great platform for use with multi core enabled DAWs & VSTs (with the added expense of a graphics card) but Z170 is now supporting Thunderbolt 3 which has the best low latency for recording/tracking so it ultimately depends on your individual scenario
So I did good by purchasing a 6600K? YAY!
You sure did buddy 😄
Just paired a 6600k with a 1070. Loving the setup so far!
I'd overclock the CPU to get the most out of that 1070
+Juan Solo I overclocked the everliving shit out of it
+Cyan _ Haha, good to hear! xD
How dare you tease another show similar to scrapyard wars, when we are waiting for scrapyard wars! xD
High end cpus combined with a 980ti should be also combined with a 1440p or 4k res! And what about the minimum fps? Sorry for asking so much :-)
+Makis X-R-T-C I agree with you. Why 1080p if that beast gpu and cpu's can run 4k pretty good
+je moeder op step You can't run more than 30fps on ULTRA at Crysis 3 with a single reference 980ti....maybe zotac amp extreme can.
+Shanks. Bosco 1440p could make a more valid result!
***** on 4K maybe not but on 1080p of course it would BN the 980ti.
Besides an i3 with a 980ti will be a stupid idea, at least an i5
+OAcesync I have a FX 4300, would it bottleneck the gtx970 im planning to get?
Thank you for this video Linus had this doubt , but really I stay in 1150 still do not see the need to change. Greetings from Argentina
360 for 6700k? I'm seeing over 400 everywhere.
+Xipo86 trotzdem über 400 Dollar
I got mine for £235 ($340)
Its $290 at micro center xD
is 6700K better than the 5820K and how many virtual core it has?
Raghav Sood in Gaming it's better.
Whatever you said at the beginning about videos like scrapyard wars. Yeah I'm down for that.
God no, another Luke video.
Luke if Love, Luke is life... But I subbed for Linus so... Yeaaaahhh....
I prefer luke over linus
+TroniX relle?
+BaSkA God no, another BaSkA comment.
I mean, nobody is perfect. Linus, for some reason, uses that text reader which he has to touch every now and then - Luke doesn't. On the other hand, Luke thinks he's funny, and he's not - Linus is hilarious. I like potatoes.
Let me just adjust the scores as if they were BOTH overclocked. I took 4.4GHz for the 5820k (stat average is 4.5-4.6 so this is lower) and 4.8GHZ for the 6700k (stat average also about 4.6). Basically I'm giving the 6700k a fighting chance. Performance % is the 5820k relative to the 6700k.
Cinebench
5820k scores 1360, 6700k scores 1066. 5820k at 127% performance up from 114% at stock speeds.
7-Zip
5820k scores 40928, 6700k scores 29963. 5820k at 136% performance up from 123% at stock speeds.
Dolphin thing
5820k does 399 seconds, 6700k does 340 seconds. 5820k at 85% performance up from 77% at stock speeds.
Webxpt
5820k scores 493, 6700k scores 527. 5820k at 94% performance up from 84% stock speeds.
So even with a less-likely high OC on the 6700k, a less than average 5820k OC brings single core performance much closer to equal, and then in multi-core applications absolutely crushes the 6700k, and honestly where I live, the x99 setup costs just as much as z170. Basically, buy a 6600k unless you REALLY need more power, the only logical next step up is the 5820k. I've been telling this to people for weeks now.
so what should i get, if i'm a gamer AND video editor?
i7 5820k if you have the money, or even the newer 6800k :)
Are you a professional video editor? If not, save some $$ and grab a 6700k.
yup, i am
+hxhshow9 In that case I would invest in a 5820k or 6800k.
Lucas Hunter hxhshow9 if you can wait zen might be a good option as it will be cheaper and it will probably have more cores for video editing
2020: My 5820k is still rock solid, giving me good performance. Can't say the same for the 6700k.
What i found interesting is that my 6700k @ 4,7 all core that i got in my budget build performs better in cinebench r15 than the 5820k in this video, so yeah thats still pretty damn good if you ask me
Whats with the commentary audio? It's sounds all compressed...
Great Research, Great Video. Thanks for this!
And I'm here with my FX-8320 :C
+(´・ω・`) that's not even a terrible processor.
+je moeder op step Eh it's not all that great at gaming lol, my hopes are on dx12.
(´・ω・`)
good luck with that mate
Ty
I just got the x-99 for my computer build I did last month. It was such an improvement that needed for my video production. Love my setup with 32 gigabytes of ram in four channel mode. Will upgrade in a couple months or so to 64.
Which would be better for Audio Produciton?
using the 5820K will surely benefit you in every single way, rendering audio tracks is easy now, and is much less time consuming (users experience)
Thanks for your reply. I ended up getting a 6800k X99 chipset. As you said the X99 chipset is much more suited for my needs. Thanks
P Kaos I have got the 6800k too and its brilliant for just 100 bucks more (overclocked to 4,3 GHz with an 280mm Be Quiet Radiator)
Given those prices you quoted, I got a steal on the X99/5820K combo I bought. Add in 16GB RAM and I paid $600 plus sales tax. There are comparable 6700K combinations available as well for a little higher than what I paid for the combo I bought, but the client that is getting the machine I'm building will be needing the higher core/thread count of the 5820K given some of what he wants to get into. Plus a higher core count also means you can run more processes on your system without impacting other processes.
I couldn't find a single zed 1 70 on the market. they had a bunch of z 170s though.
you know, zed 170 is how you're supposed to say it
David Huaman No, it is not.
Yes it is, when you say the alphabet you say "zed" not "zee".
+David Huaman no you don't
+David Huaman You must be a Brit.
Yes, more content like Scrapyard Wars would be good. I don't have a specific format to suggest, but anything that has you and your friends questing around the province would be sure to entertain.
The videos that are most fun to watch are the ones you have the most fun making, for example failing to destroy two consecutive generations of Dell XPS laptops with rainwater. Keep goofing off and filming it, I'll keep watching.
I really don't like that you compared them on stock speeds. I think a comparison at an average OC speed would be more representative of the real would usage.
+John Doe (Smagjus) I'd rather know what I'm getting right out of the box. Besides, you can OC the 6700K higher than the 5820K, so an average speed wouldn't represent what most people who buy them are going to be running them at.
"Besides, you can OC the 6700K higher than the 5820K" That is exactly my point.
+John Doe (Smagjus) Although you can overclock the 6700k to about 4.6Ghz on average, the 5820k also overclocks to about 4.3Ghz on average, with a sensible amount of volts[~1.3v]. So you could see a 30% improvement on average if you overclock the 5820k, versus 15% for the 6700k, this brings the 5820k much closer to the 6700k in STP, not to mention it pulls ahead like a champ in mulithreaded workloads.
+jenxrj They overclocked 6700k at 6.0.
Cloud VII Now that ain't an average overclock is it? Most people aren't going to get a stable overclock above 4.6ghz[Average sample] to 4.8Ghz[good sample] while keeping the voltage sensible, and not spending too much on cooling.
great video i was investigating those two cpus for video editing, definitely going to use x99 platform
What is up with those dirty motherboards. Don't you have a clean one that you showcase this stuff with?
Llama indeed that was very cynical. Your name does not lie.
Hearty Oatmeal ahaha :P
+Hearty Oatmeal I should come up with a naming scheme like you two. Lazy Lotte sounds appropriate.
Lotte That was indeed very lazy. Your name does not lie.
Lotte ahahah sounds good :D
Evert time i se that highLANder shirt i remember when you guys climbed onto a mountain and landed there i loved that video.
Problem.
You didnt overclock. The 5820k is 3.3 ghz, and the 6700k is 4.0 ghz (without counting turbo). Thats NOT a small difference. considering how easily the 5820k overclocks to around 4.5ghz.
The single threaded performance of the 6700k is a joke compared to haswell/devils canyon. Its almost nothing. The real benefits are things you didnt discuss.
Love the scrapyard wars series. Bring on more!
*THUMBS UP for FALLOUT 4 MODS*
+Don Giovanni I just pre-ordered fallout at JB Hi Fi.
Because you care what I was doing ;-;
+Hearty Oatmeal tell me more
+Hearty Oatmeal JB HIFI is overpriced tho. Could've gotten it cheaper from G2a
+Geralt Of Rivia where the 4K, gsync, 144hz, curved, IPS, 34" monitor tho
Geralt Of Rivia Yeah but aus internet'd have me waiting ~6 months to download
awesome video. and similar x99 to my setup. as I use my system mainly for after effects, I'm a happy camper.
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scrapyardwars was awesome and gave me great Ideas for builds personally!! I would love to see similar stuff!
I have an idea, you can start taking suggestions of people's comments for the last line in the intro (like the one at 0:41). You can announce if the next episode has a certain theme or it can be random so people can comment.
I need something like scrapyard wars. Those were my favorite episodes you've put out
ZOMG A TECH VIDEO! ITS BEEN MONTHS!
a scrapyard wars like thing would be awesome. scrapyard wars was the best!!!
Linus, I've been keeping my cool since February....
WHERE THE HELL IS SCRAPYARD WARS!!!!
Who upload vids at 12:04 am
And I live 25min away from Linus
+Tim Zheng He says that's the only time in the day that he has and its 6:00 pm in Australia so I'm not complaining
+Tim Zheng apparently he does. xD
+mellow man omg I'm in Australia too
Louis Ready dank
@ Linus, Thanks for this great video. Even though it is older it is still very relevant since these processors are the two top dogs for gamers. I am a gamer and currently use the i7-2600k @4.5ghz on the P8P67 chipset. I enjoy very CPU intensive games like DayZ and ArmA 2 and 3. I also like to stream and that is where the problems start for me. While just gaming I noticed my CPU would hit at around 25% usage under gaming load. When I start OBS with my video camera running my CPU would max out at 100%! This is why I feel that the Skylake may not help me out much more than what I have right now, but the Haswell-e may be a better solution with the added cores. I run 1080p now but am planning on jumping up to something between that and 4k. I have heard that there are some major CPUs (Skylake-e) as well as GPUs coming out in the 3rd quarter of 2016 so now I don’t know if I should just wait it out or jump in with an already older Haswell-e…..Very confused since none of this is cheap. What to do? LOlz
Who needs a beefy computer when LeafyisBeefy
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Distinguishing CPUs by game fps instead of video rendering, 3D rendering and program multitasking is like comparing eagles by which one can run faster
except the 6700k runs 10-20+ frames better on a majority of games www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-what-is-the-fastest-gaming-cpu
HuananZhi X99TF (US$99, AliEx) + E5-2678V3 (US$ 85, 12C/24T, all core turbo 3.3Ghz, eBay) + 32GB DDR3 1600 desktop (US$120, QUAD channel, local) + SNOWMAN 6 pipe dual 120mm tower cooler (US$27, AliEx) + PSU Corsair CX650M (US$75, retail on-line) + NVME m.2 512GB ($80, retail on-line) + RX590 ($175, retail on-line) +m.2 wifi 6/BT5.1 ($17, AliEx) + Vertical testbench/stand ($75, AliEx). TOTAL = US$753
Cinebench R15 multi = 1824 // R20 = 3912.
5820k owner here, built my X99 rig Sep 1st 2014. Running 5820k stable 24/7 1.35v @ 4.4ghz and 16gb DDR4-3000. 6700k is a really nice CPU, but it simply wasn't available over a year ago when I upgraded. As a gamer if I was buying today I would probably get a 6700k and push for 4.7ghz. A year ago my rig was justified because it seemed like DX12 was really going to see a big boost for 6 core CPUs. Now it does not look that way and it's still a ways off before we have any retail DX12 titles.
fantastic video!! Thanks team !!
i was actually researching about these 2 chipsets...... tq ltt
4:24 "The 6700k won again" No Luke that's the first time it won in this video.
***** You are correct!
love how you included the dolphin benchmark for us emulator fanatics
you should have OC'ed them both to like 4.5 on the i7 5820k and 4.7-4.7 on the 6700k to represent how most people buying $ 300-500 CPU's will actually use them.
I think it would be interesting to have some sort of building competition featuring some of the other guys (like teams) or a competition limited to only LMG-owned hardware (like an office scavenger hunt build.)
Great comparison. I have an old AMD rig and have wanted to switch to Intel for some time but wasn't sure if going to Skylake was the right choice.
Just built a z170 system with the 6700k, this video helped validate that decision ;). also in Australia I'd be looking at several hundred dollars more for an x99 setup so I never even bothered looking much into it
CAD and AUD is the same right now. I went the 5820K on minimum wage :P with an extra 16GB 2400MHZ and Amd Rx 480 with a new 1440P IPS monitor.
Now u need to do a 4770k, 4790k, 4960x, 6700k, 5820k, 5930k, 5960x showdown. Give all of them 16 GB of Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM at 2400 MHZ, either DRR3/4 respectively. Paired with a 970, 970 2 way SLI, 980, 980 2 way SLI, 980Ti, 980Ti 2 way SLI, Titan X, Titan X 2 way SLI. For the hard drive give them 730 series SSDs.
I've waited for that video so long :D 5820k and 6700k have the same price in Germany... the decision is so hard
It is in the UK too, much more expensive than the US. Go for the 5820k. I did, it's amazing. Overclocks to 4.5ghz quite easily and will blow away a 6700k in everything but synthetic single core benchmarks.
+MrRedRye Yes, it sure does overclock well, but you would need to spend more on appropriate cooling and power delivery for your system. Even still, it is not guaranteed to reach 4.5 Ghz like your sample, most of them will reach ~4.3 @ 1.3 volts. Thus the single threaded performance will still be greater than 10 % lesser than the average overclocked 6700k. But regardless of that, the additional two cores are much more desirable if you're going to throw multi threaded loads at it.
I LOVED JUNKYARD WARS!!!! Please, PLEASE, do more things similar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright guys, I calculated this:
3.3 Ghz x 6 cores = 19,8
4 Ghz x 4 cores = 16
19,8/16 = 123,8%
7-Zip results = 30696 / 24969 = 122,9%
almost the same
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4.2Ghz Turbo/3.6Ghz Turbo = 116,7%
WEBXPRT results = 439/370 = 118,6%
almost the same.
Conclusion:
In multi-threaded applications (3:50) the performance equals "base clock speed x cores".
In single-threaded applications (4:30) the performance equals "turbo clock speed".
In GPU intensive applications (5:10) the performance equals your GPU's performance, provided the CPU does not bottleneck it.
Nothing earth-shattering, but it just goes to show you that there is no additional microarchitecture magic to it.
Currently have a 5820K. am loving the hell out of it. :)
5820k is now $40 cheaper than the 6700k which is out of stock and prices are climbing. The x99 boards on black friday sale make the 170 Skylake way more expensive, by about $100, if you can even find one.
In Germany the pricing is just dumb...5820k wich i bought just now 410€ 6700k 460€
X99 200€+ Z170 100€+
Yeah, the only downfall of the 5820k is the dam motherboards cost so much. But if I was into multi-tasking or video editing it would be worth it.
I got lucky, got a 4790k for 289.00, a z97 mb that was normally $200 for $113 after rebate, and 16gb of g skill 2400 for $60. I went the z97 route which saved me $300 bucks to put towards a better gpu. Couldn't pass it up, and couldn't justify the small increase in 6700 performance for that much more money.
+Christopher Gilbert got 4790k for 250 and a mobo for 112
+xTheNikinator In Belgium it's 376€ for the 6700K and 430€ for the 5820K and the X99 is pretty expensive here too! X99: 400€ Z170: 200€ so I'm going for the 6700K lol
My i7 6700K for my first, $1500, Pc build! How convenient! Also another Scrapyard Wars would be Gr8! @LinusTechTips
Nice video Luke
I rock the bigger brother the i7 5830k on my MSI X99S MPower Overclock Board (The Bumblebee) since 2014 and it will see 2025 in my use, I replaced the MSI GTX980 with an Asus RTX 3060 Ti Tuf Gaming OC 8 GB (The 3 fan model), And I am still happy.
Why no 5960x vs 6700k?
+Sengial If you actually decided to watch the video, you'd know. He says it just after 1 minute in..
.-. 5960X, If you can afford it...
+Ironside12 (Scott Hamilton) Hahaha yeah I just saw the title and commented. Sorry
+Sengial Should be asking why no 18 core Xeon
+Street Guru because a e5-2699 v3 vs 6700k/5820k is a stupid test...
Hello,
Very nice video
100% PERFORMANCE Zen en 2016 et l'ARM K12 et Zen+ en 2011
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