Huge Improvement! The Driver Assistance In The AMG EQS Takes The Top Spot In Our Hogback Trials
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- Kyle and Max put the Mercedes AMG EQS 2022 through the Hogback driver assistance challenge!
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0:00 Intro
6:16 Checklist for Starting Points
12:55 ADAS Alert Test
15:16 Driving Test
50:48 Conclusions
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There’s an edit error around the 12 minute mark where the clip of the ADAS alert isn’t inserted properly - it’s shown several minutes later in the next sequence but I placed it wrong when I was editing! Please excuse the mistake and my apologies. We’ll leave it as an Out of Spec goof
28:40 you missed a clip too!
28:20 is where I see the missed clip.
The audio is out of sync on all of the in-car footage as well.
Lotta audio editing errors near last 15 mins. I guess you’ll have that when you’re running three cameras
@@xNYCMarc you mean the camera angles? Audios not out of sync because it’s coming from the main angle and embedded in that clip. The angles are slightly out of sync. Tight turnaround on this one for the schedule and sloppy edit. We’ve had three cameras in sync before I was just running on little sleep and not paying attention.
Great video so far. Note, there doesn’t appear to be a clip at the 12:00 mark for an unresponsive driver. Honestly wondering whether I am missing a joke. :) Update: I see it later, the unused cue just makes the placement awkward.
Yeah editor’s mistake on my part!
Misplacing the clip almost feels like an Easter egg or slip in the matrix.
Minus one point deduction to the editor's score!
@@DNHarris nooo 😂
Compared to the other test with Mercedes, this car has the latest stereo camera vision system/software stack.
Mercedes just announced that automatically induced lane changes are coming to their US Lineup this year btw
At the 32:00 ish mark. I had a lane change like that in my Model X and it suddenly tried to follow that exit rather than the interstate. Had to quickly take over. Scary when you are not prepared for it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and reviews! Very credible!
Thank you for the system review. Looking forward to more content from you, Max.
Love this German Car❤
Thanks Kyle, a few people might ask, " I love Ev's, but what makes This EV Car Stand out over other EV's ? " I feel you answered a Lot of those Questions, if they watch the whole Video. 👌
Congrats on the new channel!
This is my favorite series on your channel, great content!
After 7 months of ownership, I got my first OTA update with my EQS 450+ yesterday. When I clicked on the update message in my MercedesMe app it said that the update was to the communications module to facilitate future updates. Only one update in a year does not put it in a Tesla class but is better than the ID4. The adaptive cruise control with lane change is fantastic and I feel like I have a chauffeur on road trips.
We are even happy when our cars behave better than a measly cheap plasticy VW! This is the end of the world as we know it!
Now Mercedes just has to lower their prices to 57K in Europe for the EQS SUV and i will order 4 at once! NOW! PLEASE!!!
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I don’t believe you’ll even get a used EQS SUV at that price. The materials, build quality and cabin are of 100K+ quality.
To be fair, I owned a Polestar 2 for a while and even though it had more frequent updates, it was buggy as hell. I’d rather get solid, infrequent updates than frequent buggy ones 🤞
@@ani_b No, i don't. Not even in 10 years. Thats why i have to stick with Tesla. 🤷♀🤷♂
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Stick with Tesla. And calls VW cheap and plastic 🤣
Great Review. From a safety consideration, would you buy this car in the 450 configuration that you preferred or wait for the Volvo EX90 (with roof mounted LIDAR) that you just reviewed.
Thank you for these Hogback ADAS tests! Currently choosing between a new Model X, EQS SUV, and a 2024 X7 with highway assistant. Which vehicle has the best ADAS system? Thanks!
Yes! This is one of the reasons I love my EQS. Driver assistance just works in most roads and situations without being twitchy (like a Tesla) or finicky (like mapped roads, Rivian, Super Cruise).
The GLS isn't representative of the performance of the EQS at all. So happy to see it take the top spot. 👏
As for the few takeovers, did you have following distance set to the maximum? When you steer during a lane change, the car does disengage steering assist (but keeps DISTronic as indicated by the gray wheel and green box around the lead car). I think at least a couple of your points deductions were because you were using it like a Tesla instead of recognizing that it has different characteristics.
Some answers to questions asked
1. It is camera based for speed limit and traffic sign recognition.
2. You can tell which lane line(s) it's following, because the indicator on the cluster/HUD indicate green for either or both sides based on the detected markings at the time.
3. You don't need to wait and initiate a lane change only when free. Even if there are vehicles in your blind spot and it beeps, it'll wait and execute the lane change when it feels it's safe.
4. The incident with the "sleeping" couple in the Ford(?) - EQS does keep distance from vehicles width-wise too. It probably didn't think it was necessary at the time, but it does react either by slowing down or moving to the side of the lane.
5. LiDAR for newer EQ vehicles will be housed behind the rearview mirror, so yes it's sort of EX90 style. LiDAR at grille level isn't a good use of the sensor. This is why Google's autonomous cars have it above the doors on every corner.
Hi, how does this MB system compare with the newest BMW Highway Assistant hands free system? Thanks!
On OpenPilot I'd highly recommend using an EV6. That is the car CommaAi has been using for press demos and will show OP at its best.
Thanks!
Excited to see openpilot on the hogback
I have an eqs suv it does allow you to override speed limit greater than 5mph. You just press the button on the steering wheel
All EQS vehicles can do that, but I think Kyle meant automatically add an offset like Teslas can be configured to do.
you could try using a polarizer tuned to show the reflection of the hud, that should work, best results I've seen are at night, not sure what they used to film though
Missed this!!!!! The Hogback challenge is a literal service to the country
Volvo radar cruise control shows you the speed of the vehicle in front of you which is very helpful
How do you use that information as the driver? Or is it just a way to let you know it knows other vehicles relative to itself?
The Tesla autopilot stack is 4 years old. I’m anxious to get the FSD 11 with fully updated autopilot stack integration.
Same here but don’t expect it to be good to start. It is switching to a lot more NN’s to run things. The existing NoA which still competes with all these systems hasn’t been updated in like 4-5 years becuase they have been focused on FSD beta.
Quick update about the blue cruise. They have blue cruise 1.2 in 2023 models which does auto lane change.
One of my new favorite channels 😊
Also, will you please cover Polestar??
Odd that it doesn’t try to wake you up. My Volkswagen taps the brakes and yanks from the seat belts. It’s quite aggressive about it. And when it stops it should phone to some service.
Kyle, please make an OutofSpecCharging channel showing the best charging stations (amenities, canopy, views, location, etc) that we should prioritize going to! ...or ones we should avoid.
That will be RateYourCharge channel?
When you were following that car carrier, the display that shows traffic in the lower left corner of the video showed the car carrier as a car, not a truck.
When will you run the Lucid with Dream Drive on the Hogback loop?
Where did Jordan go? Love the video! Just haven’t seen him since the model s accident
Been wanting to ask, what about Jor.... Happy weekend
Front end looks like a honda civic
I thought more like the old Altima
For open pilot use a sonata. It is the best with steering wheel torque. The limiting factor with openpilot is the car it’s self and not the software.
Are you doing a Hogback Trial of the Nisan leaf pro pilot?
Hey Kyle, I have a new Lucid Touring with the lane centering, but no lane changing. I tested here in Illinois where the roads are the easiest in the world and it did... (hold your breath) just fine. The eye tracking is very annoying, though because you can't even look in the next lane.
Anyhow, I would love to do some testing with you if you are interested. Please let me know how to contact you.
The system that the gls uses is different from the eqs. All the eq cars use a newer system. (Wider field of view in the cameras, etc)
I believe after the new e class redesign and gla glb cla and a class facelift come out, they should all be using a similar system (basically the eqs system)
We need one of these for the new 23 ID4.
Kyle, BlueCruise 1.2 does automatic lane changes now (tap to request). It's on 2023 vehicles. You should run BlueCruise 1.2 through the Hogback again and see if progress has been made.
The Mercedes Me app lets you know when your car receives and update with a description of what is contained in the update.
Please do open pilot!
The GLS is a generation older NTG version so it kinda makes sense. They probably have enough hardware differences that DAPP performance in the newer system is better even though the feature list is the same. It also probably means that as a newer generation of NTG is released, this particular version will eventually be obsolete and the only way to upgrade would be to trade in and buy a new car.
Please, please, please - track down a car equiped with OpenPilot. Especially now that the newest release can integrate with navigation and take ramps autonomously. From subjective experience, it's amazing, but I'm very interested to see how it does in an objective test!
There is a specification how a adas should act by the unece. Like a line change there is a defined time and the system should always behave the same. So the driver gets a predictable behavor.
If you really want to test the adas systems test it with the uncec specs.
Because that will be the global benchmark!
"I'll just floor it anyway" 🤣
Really love the next gen look of the AMG, but agree, get the 450 or 580 EQS for great range and enough horsepower
Kyle, thanks for excellent testing. I have both EQS580 and Tesla S. MB includes lane changing, but Tesla forces you to buy expensive FSD.
Still not included but it’s included in the EAP option now, which I think is $6k or if you want you can subscribe (yay more subscriptions) for $200 a month and get it that way on Teslas.
@@Grant5321 You are correct, enhanced auto pilot at $6,000 extra is required for Tesla, but MB offers it free.
Cars that drive themselves scare me, I fear the day I'm sharing a roadway with them.
You already are...
Mercedes is the best Car
So its interesting of the caveats of the level 3 system you did not demote points for. For instance the you took over for the road obstruction. but in the Guidance for level 3 statest" Level 3 vehicles have “environmental detection” capabilities and can make informed decisions for themselves, such as accelerating past a slow-moving vehicle. But―they still require human override. The driver must remain alert and ready to take control if the system is unable to execute the task."
That car doesn’t have the Level 3 steering wheel, so it won’t have any sensor(lidar) for Level 3.
Hogback is back!
I love the looks, y'all are wei... have different tastes! :D
I love the design of the EQS. It’s a head-turner and looks like no other car on the road. Very futuristic.
I love this car’s looks
Is this vehicle hands free or not? Looks like you are holding the steering wheel? I think you should move the camera forward so we can see the steering wheel when doing these tests.
Haven’t seen Jordan in a while.
The problems with self drive vehicles is more the road marking and inconsistancies in the road than the cars. This car seems to compensate very well.
How can they score a car like this when the only constant input is the route? Aren't traffic conditions and weather conditions can be way different between all cars? Maybe run the cars 10 times and the same route and come out with a conclusion.
I know this is late but I have a EQS AMG and I get close to 300 miles on a full charge and never below 2.6, 1.9 there had to be something wrong with the car. Also I have the 22" wheels but I love your video.
I have been doing some testing on autopilot over the past little while with how repeatable it is on the same stretch of road and have come to some very interesting results. I am curious what the Mercedes you tested would look like, especially between the two you have been talking about. I posted a very brief video with a comparison and method of comparison on my channel recently.
Cool car, but I know I'm not alone in saying I will never be able to afford a Mercedes ( or a Rivian, Hummer, or Volvo for that matter). A while back you mentioned showing us some more affordable EV's. If we want the masses to adopt electric cars, we need more affordable options.
They would be unlikely to come with self-driving features. Also, at least half of them are delayed, lies, or not for North America (looking sadly at you, Microlino. Dang, you're cute, but that fridge door would never pass a small-offset impact test.)
@@jessebrook1688 I wouldn't care/need self driving features, I personally love the driving experience. The Kandi K23 and K27 showed promise with a price under $20k, but being programmed for a top speed of 30 mph until they pass US safety standards makes them a big no for me at this time. I need an EV to be able to go at least 45 mph for my daily commute in and around the Denver area.
@@telegrqmOutofSpecReviews Oh wow, how literally unbelievable.
Does Jordan not work for Out of Spec anymore?
That’s what I am wondering too. Haven’t seen him in anything for at least a month now.
He doesn’t and I really miss him 😢 Hoping to work with him more in the future if he helps us as an independent agent in future videos
@@iMaxPatten Bummer. Thanks for the update, Max.
Complaining about not being able to have autopilot over 85 mph is kind of nutty
And he gave it 2 points for that!
Hi Kyle. I need your opinion. I've had a reservation for an ID.4 S RWD locked in since SEPT.,but no factory movement. Tesla lowered their model 3 RWD price which is lower than the VW. New Jersey has a $4000 rebate under $45K, so I have to make a move within hours. Tesla says delivery in February, VW has not sent me an update since Sept. Which one to pick? Please let me know your opinion. Thanks!
I just drowe an ID4. Terrific car.
Tesla by far a much better option
It's usually Jordan in these videos. Where is he post Tesla crash ?
You kept saying that you wished that the car would allow you to go 5 mph over the speed limits. There's a very good reason why that's restricted: Many authorities around Europe have a 'zero tolerance' policy regarding speeding drivers. If they can prove that you are travelling even slightly above speed limits, then you will be fined and have penalty points added to your license. For example, I know several U.K. drivers who were penalised for travelling at 32 mph in 30 mph zones, a few years ago.
Building your own charging network makes perfect sense. You can create a cool touchpoint with the brand that you fully control in terms of experience. And that touchpoint will be also used by competitors’ customers. Tesla has great tech and scale but the experience of visiting a supercharger is otherwise meh. Mercedes can easily one-up the experience by offering toilets coffee or even manning some stations. Scale/$$$ remains an issue tho.
Easily? They can easily build out a robust charging network overnight and make it worthwhile because they add in a toilet? Where are these going to be placed?
Mercedes
I'm worried we'll be disappointed by Tesla 11.x. The current highway stack has been around so long, 11 is going to have a lot of catching up to do. We'll see.
Excited to hear Comma AI/openpilot test is coming!
I wonder how tesla intends getting around the laws for level 3. Seems like you might need more than just cameras. You need sensor backup.
@@jeffsteyn7174 I’m not entirely sure in the US there really are laws for it. I think when Mercedes said they’re approved they meant they approved it themselves becuase they are confident enough to take on liability under those very specific conditions where level 3 works (right now just a small section of Nevada highway)
I think Mercedes in all these articles says the state of Nevada approved but that just sounds like Mercedes asked to me and Nevada said sure. It’s a bit different in Europe becuase they actually care, but at the same time it’s Mercedes and they have huge power over there.
The transition to EV's has several inflection points, one of them being the ability to offer a number of vehicles in the realm of "average cost." We've seen plenty of $100K+ EV's that are beyond the reach of most Americans and will sell in comparatively low volumes, at best. If the subject is driver assistance programs, I would much rather see the $2200 Super Cruise option on a Bolt, for example, and use that as a standard of comparison.
My $35k Bolt EUV has heated rear seats 🤷♂️
Cars need to “talk to each other.” It’s inevitable. It needs to happen yesterday. Like seatbelts, it needs to be regulated into the industry.
Try to get a Comma AI car to compare :)
Mercedes-Benz said it was teaming up with Google .. more competition in software & super computing features. Honestly, found Google hopelessly out in the Volvo & polestar 2.. they are just not geared deep into the needs of an EV as yet. It’s not only environmental information, but better integration with the cars system like battery, predictions. Looking to Apple for better competition.
And in another amusing development they are getting into revenue share with Nvidia for high power semiconductors.
This needs to be developed into a video. Cheers
Yes no one drives the speed limit. BUT at level 3 merc will have to take responsibility for the accident.
So I get your rating system. But there is a reason why they won't allow you to go over the speed limit.
Would love to see this test done in a Tesla once FSD V11 is in wide release. Thanks!
FSD has nothing to do with highway driving...FSD is for off highway driving. Enhaned Autopilot would be the proper test if you are talking about auto lane change.
New pricing distances the Teslas even more from this car.
there is no way the -22 and this car are using the same firmware or same version of firmware at least
Are you trying to compete with Simon from mega projects for the most TH-cam channels?
Where's Jordan?
I'm watching right lower screen . Camera view " on vehicles display behind driver should be smaller, try using a better camera on that display.
View from the back " u guys talking should be smaller. IMO. 🇰🇪👍
👍👍👍
Y’all forgot the clip.
Great video Kyle.
Could you make your comments on Tesla price reductions - will it be a general price reduction for EV cars for the market. Let us know 👌👍
They just returned to the prices of 2021.
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12:00 you forgot to include the clip here
The visual representation showing the lanes and the cars on the screen always shows 2 lanes no matter how many lanes which is confusing.
It didn't avoid an object in the road, it couldn't change lanes, it didn't bother checking that the driver was there for almost a mile, no speed offset option, the speed reduction was really fast (5seconds) from 65 to 55 if someone was following closely they probably would have ended up on your bumper, @31:15 it got itself stuck behind a vehicle going well under the speed limit and you have to take over manually..., No deductions?
Speed limit offset should be much more points than the subtracted 2 points
You can still flick the controls to go higher than the speed limit. I doubt any European manufacturer will have this feature.
15:53 it thinks that is a huge truck?
Is Jordan still a part of the crew or did Max fill that spot.
Jordan is sadly no longer with the company but I’m definitely not a replacement for him! I’m hoping to work with him in future videos if he has the time :)
The warning test likely needs some tweaking as I suspect the warning delay might depend on the “difficulty” of driving (busy road, turns, etc.) and/or any attention detection mechanism
Drive Pilot and got Level 3 Driving in Europe up to 130 km/h 80mph thats the thing you porbably ment with the Lidar sensors nice Video
Not on our Autobahn in Austria. No. Only on very specific Autobahn stretches in Germany. We'll see when they get more geo fenced roads permitted to drive on.
50km/hr max
The 130 km/h (80mph) version is not yet available in Germany. And it is possible that only new cars will be able to achieve that speed because they might need new hardware for that and there will be MANY rules and exceptions the system has to follow unlike in the US I suppose.
So at the moment it’s still max. 60 km/h in a traffic jam situation.
Wide lanes with Tesla's on highways are SO BAD. Talking on ramps and off ramps.
FSD (non-highway right now) is so much better at "reading" the space and being more natural, but classic AP on highways (hasn't changed much in a few years) is so hokey when driving past those spots. Hope they get FSD stack on highways soon.
Single stack is supposed to be out before 1/25, probably sooner. V 11.3
Your video clip did not launch
Can you explain what is a hog back?
There is a notable one along the front range of the Rocky Mountains west of Denver, Colorado. This test crosses it on Interstate 70.
(Edit: technically, I think it starts just west of the landform it's named after. If you look at the intro, part of the hogback is the visible ridge line on the left of the scene. Colloquially, the stretch of I-70 from the Morrison exit, where this test starts, to just east of Idaho Springs, where they turn around, is known as "the hogback".)
(Edit 2: 16:00 and 50:38 or so both show the roadcut through the hogback clearly.
TH-cam keeps eating comment with the answer. A “hogback” is a geologic landform. Wikipedia tells more as do other sites that I mention and comment disappears.
Best EV👍
12:02 I think you forgot to edit the clip in 😂
They did, just about 2 mins late lol
Yup late night edit missed the cue! We’ll save it for this year’s Out of Spec Bloopers 😅
That was the "work" of an unresponsive video editor. Pun intended.
I really think all of the driver assist features should try to keep driving safely, and never stop in the road. And always be on, too, but be able to be overpowered easily by the driver. It would just be a lot safer than all the different ways they just give up, or be off when the driver thinks it's on.
It should take over if the driver falls asleep or has a heart attack or something, rather than giving up.
You think humans are better drivers than computers? Not for much longer. No.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Not at all. I think the automatic driving should be taking over for the humans when the humans fail, rather than the other way around.
@@nroose Its hard to recognize when humans fail.
Oh - all the time! Yes thats a perfect solution to the human problem!
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Especially when they read something and think it means the opposite of what it says.
Get the S. It got a massive price drop.
Oh gawd my eyes, is that a fake grill?