Testing Mercedes Drive Pilot level 3 autonomy in traffic
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- There's finally a self-driving car available for your purchase in the U.S. - or, at least, there will be within the next few months. Mercedes-Benz is bringing its Drive Pilot-equipped cars to California and Nevada, and, when they're deployed, you'll not only be able to take your hands off the wheel but also take your eyes off the road. Join us as we take it for an early spin, hands-off from the driver's seat.
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“Limited circumstances” 😂 yall hilarious there’s like one stretch of road on earth it can drive
it is truly a trip seeing Tim on Engadget again
A good trip, I hope.
So it doesn't work over 40 mph, no lane changes, and disengages when it rains. All for $2500/year? Yeah no thanks 😂
Really, what are you getting out of this anyway? A CR-V's adaptive cruise can do 90% of all this. I am just surprised that Mercedes hyped this feature so much only to end here.
It's level 3, that's the difference @@TheAJKahn
Yeah there is a very bid difference. If an accident happens Mercedes is responsible. And Mercedes plans to increase the speed in the next year to 80mph.
Yeah, that one small sentence in the video about responsibility is the key: in order for Mercedes to be able take responsibility they need to legally prove, that the system is just as safe as any human driver (in the same conditions). This is huge. No other OEM has managed that.
@@locdogJ
No other OEM want's that, why would they? Mercedes can do this because there will be tiny amount of people with this joke system, tiny amount who can actually utilize it, and extremely tiny amount who gets into accidents because of all those restrictions, so they can afford few lawsuits and its generally even cheaper to pay out few millions for car accidents than to pay for advertisement, because they are now getting one for free.
This is level 3?! 🤔
Technically... Any Adaptive cruise control with stop/start feature can be level 3 if manufacturer takes responsibility for any damage which can happen while this system active. Difference between this system and existing ones is basically that Mercedes takes some responsibility, that's it. Tho in general it's even worse than other systems due to its enormous list of limitations. Free advertisement for Mercedes.
@@Zripaswhich is the best currently regardless of level ranking? Waymo? surely not Tesla?
@@slick3996
Depends, Waymo would be best "car on tracks" system which doesn't scale and never will. Tesla is best when it comes to actually autonomous cars with some things to be worked out. Both system are quite different on what those do and especially how it does it.
Waymo ONLY works in specific cities which got heavy 3D street scanning done beforehand and most of the things got preprogrammed into system to work in specific cars with specific equipment, while this can provide quick decent results, it can't be scaled up and it tends to freak out when something changes.
Yes. Becuase mercedes take care of this accident while level 3 drive… not like tesla…
@@tjkim
Tesla is level 2, whilethis mercedes joke system is just that, a joke. Its basically free advertisement for Mercedes and not actual innovation on any actual aspect. Just because you will have tiny chance in getting Mercedes to pay for damages, doesn't mean you should actually trust that system... Just check it limitations list... Clearly even Mercedes doesn't believe in their own system...
● It operates only on geofenced, precision mapped, limited access highways
● It operates only at speeds of 40 MPH and below
● It operates only in the same lane-no lane changes
● It operates only with a lead vehicle within 100 meters ahead
● It operates only in clear weather-no rain or snow
● It operates only with no direct sun on the cameras
● It operates only if the driver doesn’t avert his gaze from ahead for more than five seconds
● It operates only outside of tunnels
● It operates only with an internet connection
Just get a car with a start-stop adaptive cruise control, and even better , check for one that supports openpilot.
Far less restrictions, more than enough for what a driver would need, and no monthly payments or other shenanigans.
But what about level 2 versus 3?
Yup, my '19 Corolla has an adaptive cruise, it keeps the distance and if the other guy stops in the traffic light in the front, it stops the car too. Corolla can also steer, but IMO it sucks and cannot be trusted (I'm yet to test it while driving behind another car though), maybe a software update would fix that. Anyway, I don't see what is so new in this Merc.
Not enough steering torque to make 90 degree turns or even sharp corners at speed. Had the comma 2 in my civic and although it was cool, it’s no where near teslas fsd.
Ain't no way this is more advanced than Tesla FSD, this is literally an insult to self driving 😂😂😂
Much more safer and reliable…If you search over internet hundreds of Tesla fanboys have died while testing FSD but it’s OK they have simply sacrificed their lives for Elon the cult leader!
I thought Mercedes was ahead of open pilot.
Only works on very few freeways. Only works in good weather conditions. Only works during day. Only works with a car ahead. Only works up to 40mph. It's just useless. Mercedes engineers are going to quit their jobs when watching FSD 12.1.2 footage.
LOL. Except that the engineers at tesla are zero responsable if anything happens while in mercedes they don't. That's the difference.
@@javieru53 Even the driving system of a 3 years old Toyota would master these very few situations where Benz has lvl3. No challenge at all. It's marketing, nothing else and the whole industry is laughing.
@@kafiluz4317As the above comment has mentioned Tesla fanboys are part of the experiment…Tesla holds ZERO responsibility for hundreds of people who sacrificed their lives for Tesla cult! The RESPONSIBILITY is the difference!
@@quettagladiator5272
Hundreds who sacrificed their lives? Who are they?
And Mercedes joke system is just glorified extremely limited lane keeping system with start/go feature enabled...
2500/y?? Are they crazy?
Better buy tesla and pay 10g
Tesla charges $200 per month so $2400 a year
@@NMEofdaST8 with the option to 'buy' it outright though. The biggest downside being no way to transfer it to another vehicle.
@@doslover Exactly not worth it without a transfer option especially. That’s over 6 years for it to break even
@@NMEofdaST8
Difference is that Tesla works on any road and in any conditions and at any speed. So not really comparable here. This should be compared to Tesla free autopilot or at worse with enhanced autopilot which are made to work on highways, just like Mercedes joke system is.
Hands back if going faster than 40?- I would almost never use this. But nice to see technology increasing in real usability.
Too many restrictions, only upto 40mph, no rain, no night, no construction detour, no lane change.
this is obviously about the liability, where they promised to be liable for all damages
Benz Cars are better design but tesla FSD beta is great . it’s time for a relationship guys
@@cha8101
Unlike Tesla, Mercedes has some responsibility. An average Joe is still not ready for any sort of "auto" pilot. Also, Tesla driving assistant is very jittery.
You have to think about the progress, back in 2016 this was just happening in labs, give it another 6 years and we’ll be seeing full on race car mode driving skills
@@dualfluidreactor _they promised to be liable for all damages_
That's questionable. But even if they did, the risk to MB of an accident in their most expensive models paying $2,500 a year for a feature that only operates in traffic jams on selected precision-mapped, limited-access divided highways, in Nevada and California, during daytime, on dry roads, in clear weather is essentially negligible.
Good video; terrible value feature. I generally appreciate Mercedes for being a premium, *reliable* brand that doesn't try to nickel and dime for things but the last few years have been disappointing.
AFAIK this is the only car where you can legally drive and read a book, work on your laptop, etc, while driving. And the company has full responsibility if accident happens at this time. Sure, it's only when you're stuck in traffic, but a lot of people spend an hour daily in this kind of situation. I would personally really love that, and I value it much higher than Tesla's so called "FSD".
Of course, beside traffic, you can still use standard autopilot when driving fast, with auto lane-change, etc., it's just level 2 and you have to pay attention.
What's the list of mercedes that do this. Does a engin version do it. Or I need electric ?
4:37
it is said in the video. its only available in s-class and eqs. so not only electric.
This is the dumbest fkin "self driving" system. So many restrictions to use
U say "in limited instances" I would fkin say "in EXTREEEEEMLY limited instances" 😂😂😂💀
More would be possible. But the difference is german and american risk taking. Tesla doesnt give a f while mercedes values security a lot more
@@rsauce6343 teslas are proven to be one of the safest on the roads. & FSD 12 is very capable & safe lol, Mercedes self driving is a fkin joke full of restrictions, when the fk can u even use it? Almost every scenario has one 2 restrictions that can instantly interrupt it lol, I'd rather have FSD actually doing self driving rather than ask my Mercedes if she would consent to self drive me in X scenario 🤷😑, sorry but the choice is literally a no-brainer in this tbh
@@CanisoGaming17 ppl dead, 768 accidents with Tesla Autopilot within last 4 years. Now count the level 3 death or accidents for the s class. Those Tesla fanboys arguments never get old. Level 3 does exact what it supposed to do. Traffic jam assist wich allows u to use ur smartphone or read a newspaper or watch a movie while in traffic jam on autobahn. The car has to pass a sort of driver license for that. Did Tesla pass even the test for level 3 yet? No…
@@Enforcers10 "Tesla fanboy arguments" ahhh the usual anti-Teslaboy insult 🤷😂. as far as we know every accident that was "blamed on autopilot' was disproved, even those that went through lawsuit (why did those not win??? 🤔🤔). Only the MSM still reported them as autopilot accidents.
+ Even so, autopilot and FSD are literally giving the driver disclaimer to be read and confirmed if they want to use it mentioning that it's in no way perfect & driver has to pay attention the whole time as the system is still a work in progress, have to use it responsibly, now if the driver falls asleep (as we see in the many clips shared gracefully by the MSM) or goes on his phone and accident happens then that's not just autopilot & FSD fault
@@CanisoGaming well u answered by urself, why they didnt win. so whats good with the autopilot, when u need to give full attension in every single second, and be ready to take the steering wheel? just a gimmic, not even allowed to use in the EU.
Does holding a phone matter if you can use hands free phoning?
i like it, make people learn to take the wheel sometimes
This is literally worse than cheap cars that have lane keep and adaptive cruise.
Comon use the T word it's not too hard
Did you watch it? He named two, about mid way through.
It needs to know where the road lines are hence only pre mapped cities. It has no eyes.
why do you compare it to L2 systems? those require you to pay attention to the road whereas with Mercedes' L3 system you can watch a movie legally and the car won't complain
What highway drive can keep you under 40mph long enough for you to watch a movie? 😂
@@jovanleon7anywhere in LA
Also it can't even change lane by itself. 😂 The name should be changed to Traffic Drive Assistant. A Tesla with fsd beta can do ALL those and infinitely more. You just need to touch the steering wheel once in a while. You WILL be able to watch a movie with a Tesla.
@@jovanleon7 To me it is amazing that Tesla has been beaten in FSD by other car companies which seem to be way ahead now. Hopefully they can keep up.
@@KM-bu5ywhave you ever used any of them?
How wonderful, It went on a straight line for the whole video, pure crap!
I’ll wait for Civic to get a similar or better feature.
Or a Toyota
I bet there is a crash your insurance goes up. Mercedes ain’t paying for that
Mercedes is paying, that's the whole thing between L2 and L3. That's also why Mercedes restricts the system's use so heavily.
Agreed
Level 3 means liability falls on the auto maker I believe so Mercedes would be responsible
Cool radar and sensors. Too bad it’s blind. No matter what, nothing beats having eyes in the long run.
You think radars aren’t eyes? OMFG we need to overhaul air traffic control!!!
@@user-fg5fs5ym6q omg I didn’t know airplanes flew themselves! Idiot.
Fully hands free, 😂 only under 40 mph, as long as it’s nit night driving, oh forgot to mention can’t drive in the rain… don’t change lanes…. 😂😂😂😂
So only works 20% of the time. Very few cases where you’re going under 40 MPH.
or you just work from home and bicycle to the cafe... if you can afford a $100k+ car, you can probably do that remotely.
IT JUST COMPLETELY STOPPED IN THE MIDDLE IF THE HWY 😮 WTF? IN REAL LIFE YOUD BE RUN OVER BY A TRUCK. EVEN TESLAS LEVEL 2 CAN PREDICT THIS AND STEER AROUND. WHICH TECHNICALLY SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS L3 BECAUSE IT MAKES DECISIONS AND INTERVENES.
Well nobody is talking about Tesla FSD beta here knowing that it is doing better than any car companies, except real FSD cars that is doing ride shares already with tons of radars and cameras around.
Until these things are as good as an experienced driver who is alert and attentive, then this is not ready.
How come they claim it "level 3" but they didnt have the gut to test it out? A level 3 car should be able to drive effortlessly like a normal person on highways or local streets. Cmon, with all the sensors and lidars, I was expeting something fun from this test. Let the car drive in local streets as well, let see if their Level 3 is better than Tesla FSD beta. Any regular car with adaptive cruise control can easily pass this test !
Why didn't they? If adaptive cruise control can do it why wouldn't they hype it as level 3 FSD? Seems like easy marketing.
best is to take a nap... oh no nap?! :(
I totally failed to see point of this system. Most adaptive cruise control systems and Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot do a lot more, and much better than this system. $2,500 a year? Mercedes must be joking.
With Tesla's system you are still responsible for any accidents. With this system you are not.
@@lemster101
I would trust this system less than Tesla... So I would pick that one instead of Mercedes even if I could sue Mercedes after the fact.
There are so little instances where this could be used that its just... Silly...
Without full chauffer mode, these are all gimmicks or just dangerous temptations to not pay attention to the road. Totally don't see the point until the endgame.
See how they don't mention FSD. They know the Mercedes drive pilot ain't as good.😆
It didn't look like the car moved much for motorcycles and maybe even responded a little late.
Tesla charges $200 per month so $2400 a year
That price is for those that haven't bought the software as a one-off purchase. It's not meant to be an ongoing monthly solution
@@James-lw3gi Why not lol who wants to drop 15k all at once for software that’s not ready. And it goes away if you sell the car anyway
There's no comparision even when it comes to features. It's a completely different system. Tesla does not have any system which allows you to watch a movie while driving, legally.
@@NMEofdaST8 So wrong. You can transfer your FSD once you buy a new Tesla. And when you bought it for 7K and can sell it for 15k to the next owner, thats a 8k earning. So many lies out there about Tesla.
@@kafiluz4317 Sell it for 15k? it’s 12k new that makes no sense
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So adaptive cruise control with stop and go but only under 40 mph. That’s going backward and they charge per year more than buying the option at any other car for lifetime
Doesn’t change lanes. Lol.
Bro, a company has legit taken an HTC cell phone, mounted it on the windshield and it costs like a $1000. That system is way better, this is trash from MERC...
Why not work on a solution that elimates traffic 😢
the government should mandate any business that open 10+ hours a day must offer 4 days 10 hours work week. this will cut traffic and gas by 20% !
Damn this is a mess. Makes me appreciate teslas fsd a lot more
No, absolutely no! MB is such a joker 😂
you know what else is hands free... getting a bus or walking.
Did... did you know that there are people that save a lot of time by driving cars instead of walking or taking the bus? Also, a car is much more comfortable than a bus. Buses spread diseases and make you wait and they rarely go to your destination.
@@jimj2683 Average America "Car is my freedom" Jack
And it looks like your comment was made brain free
You know what else is free? An ass whopping and covid on the bus. 😂😂😂 You know what else is not free? Your time.
@thahirahmed868 Public transport sucks in America. However, we have the best road network in the world. Plus, owning a car IS freedom since you go where you want, when you want. No more having to wait in line at a bus/train stop and hope it didn't get delayed. All while being able to blast music as loud as you want and not worry about disturbing others. Each country has their preferred method of transport, and in America it's driving.
The worst part about these systems as they are now is that they often don't drive predictably and get easily confused. I got stuck behind one of these vehicles getting onto an on ramp, and it literally took me about 5 minutes to make it onto the freeway. This is not to mention the fact that when they get confused, they sometimes do something catastrophic and get you killed or injured.
This Mercedes is a lot of money for very little value.
I dont see how this "level 3" is more advanced than level 2 tesla FSD. It doesnt even work over 40mph and doesnt change lane 😂
The levels means nothing, it’s just about legal liability
If Teslas’s system is so advanced they need to put their money where their mouth is and take legal responsibility for any accidents instead of suing everyone that gets into crashes when using it.
@@SuperAaron99 well it isn’t quite there yet. It is however miles ahead of this system.
@@SuperAaron99 just because a girl is confident and hot doesn't mean she has to be on Only fans or become a super model. High end speakers don't get advertised as THX compatible, but that doesn't mean they don't match and exceed the performance required by THX. Same thing with the FSD, so your argument is flawed. If you actually have experienced either and then see the demo of the other, then you will see clearly which one is more advanced.
Mercedes is basically saying "we guarantee your ice cream is going to be cold or we will pay for your ice cream. When the bar is set so low, it's really hard to fail.
@@IronCan88 huh? You make the weirdest comparisons. Money talks, so far Tesla does not put their money where their mouth is. If it’s so good, take responsibility, otherwise it’s a bunch of talk.Ive been in my friend’s S Plaid with “FSD”. It was impressive for sure, but at one point, in a construction zone it almost ran into a concrete divider on the side of the highway. So I know for sure why they won’t take responsibility for it. This was a year or so ago though.
Fools who don’t understand how autonomy works. Can’t do anything on very limited roads. “Yeah it’s better than Tesla”
Lol. Only works under 40 MPH.
At least 5 yrs behind
This is brutal. Tesla FSD is way better. That’s totally clickbait. 40 MPH 😂
They totally rushed this to beat Tesla fsd to level 3. This is a complete joke of level 3 autonomy!
2500$ a year. i rather take Uber, more relaxing !
tesla is better
When Tesla does it even better with FSD 12.3 for a one time cost of $12k, paying 2500 a year not so appealing!!!
FSD: $1200/year
So this is like back in 2015 with Tesla AP! Cool! Only 9 years late
A joke
So you can't use it gor anything ... 😂😂😂 ... Mercedes should wait until they have something ready before they call it autonomous driving.
not even close to Tesla. Joke comparison
I know this looks fucking awful 😂
Or LA could invest in public transit 😆 All this innovation so people can get more screen time - what a crazy world we live in.
Good job NVIDIA 👏ehmm Mercedes i meant.
for your money a tesla with V12 fsd will be WAYYYY better.
Tesla autopilot is way better than this. Lidar is an old technology.
Lidar was used back in the days when computers weren't able to render camera records to virtual 3d environment. Tesla has done it almost perfectly. FSD 12.1.2. is the ultimate proof that Lidar is doomed and there is no use for it anymore (wouldn't work in rain anyway).
How did Mercedes get level 3 and Tesla can't 😂
Did you watch the video?
I'm poing to be frank. I want any other company to take over and surpass Musk! I'm not a fan of him one ioda.
Not impressive. Extremely limited system.
This is not better then TESLA 😂 🤡
lol. And this is what everybody keep claiming is better than Tesla 😂😂😂. This is sad.
Xpeng is better than tesla
@@jacksmith-mu3ee they even copy the website design and UI from Tesla (like BYD) 😂 At least they know who to follow.
This is a literal joke.
Useless
Road trips?
@@Bernicles75 I’d rather get Tesla. I’m sure it’ll get better tho. Road trips for sure
This is bs Mercedes people try again keep talking about what it can do hell it only works in traffic wth and no faster than 40 only in the daytime no rain but yeah i can look at the screen 🤦 smh
It's called liability... Tesla has over 700 accidents and 17 deaths alone in the US with engaged auto pilot. Would make them bankrupt
Xpeng is better
Trying to charge you extra for something minor honestly something that the cruise control can sort of do in a sense It's just pointless Man people really try to monetize everything you do when are they going to start charging us for breathing oh wait they do It's called taxes it'll never be enough for them lol
weak
Terrible video. If you are comparing L3 to L2 systems, why don't you mention legal differences in the first place? Mercedes will be responsible for the crash and that's a big difference when you compare.
Well yes, if you are able to use this system in the first place... Due to looooong list of limitations this system is basically unusable for majority in most instances.
$2500 a year? Tesla autopilot is free and handles any speed, doesn't require a special highway and works in rain/fog etc. Enhanced autopilot is generations ahead and only 1 time $6K.
With over 700 traffic accidents with engaged auto pilot and 17 deaths
@@AlexTheGuy and out of all those Tesla has caused 0. Maybe read and comprehend a subject that you're talking about instead of reading titles from news writers.
@@AlenMajetic excuse me? Those 700 were with engaged auto pilot. Tesla has the same amount of accidents with engaged and unengaged auto pilot even though way more drivers don't use that system. Why doesn't Tesla make it level 3 and take the liability if it's so great?
@@AlexTheGuy I have a very hard time getting into an accident with autopilot. Maybe understand what autopilot is. It's not a full self-driving system. It's an assistant currently. As in other words every single driver caused the accident by not being in control of the car as the system is designed to work. It's pretty simple, be ready to take over any time. Humans failed, not Tesla. So again why are you saying Tesla caused the accidents?
@@AlenMajetic I just wanted to make clear that Mercedes is approaching it completely different, building a system were they take all liabilities. We will see what the future will bring especially with other companies like ford, Hyundai and vw developing similar technologies. In current state Tesla is more impressive as an assistant.
How bout...Just Driving the car Yourself ?
Do you always enjoy driving your car? In traffic jams? Or doing 5 hour trip and trying to keep your attention to the road all the time? Autonomous driving is really good solution when you want to relax and do something else than just watching the road.
@Zripas Yes I do "enjoy driving my car". Also, I "relax" on my couch, in my tub or in my bed. My life is at stake regardless of any current technology, so I dedicate my attention to what's in front and around my vehicle at all times. I respect your opinion, but that's why we're all made differently...
@@stuckontube
Cool, so you will one of those people who said same thing about horses... You can still ride one if you want, but not on the road...
While with this system, its OPTIONAL, atleast now. You can use it or not, its up to you to turn it on.
Forced autonomous driving are not coming for quite some time, so be calm, you can drive your car manually until you die. While some of us can enjoy both options.
@Zripas Troll away from me...hands free.
@@stuckontube
Troll away? Did you got offended by facts here or something? Weird snowflakes we have these days...
Basic lidar system, not even close to Tesla. Joke comparison
Chinese auto pilot cars are much better even than Tesla.
nope and I bet the chinese companies are still hardcoding because they do not have enough vehicles with the technology out there to train a neural network.
They can kiss my butt, people should be in full control at all times, this shouldn't be allowed PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I you're too lazy to actively drive you should be taking a car service.
people said similar thing about cars replacing horses, just look where we are now.
"people should be in full control at all times" Robots don't get drunk, text or fall asleep.
that's horrible xD my $35k Model 3 can drive anywhere any conditions lol what a joke.
who is asking for this garbage. the whole point of driving is to feel alive and well not be lazy
Not be lazy? Walking is not being lazy, taking a bus or train is not being lazy, driving is the ultimate lazy travel option.
no the whole point of driving for most people (especially in shitty crowded cities) is to get from point A to point B
@chirrin1989
I guess in your world not being lazy is being stuck in traffic jam... Get a bicycle, that one will give you 100x more freedom you so desperately want...
@@Zripas who is to say, you would not get stuck in traffic in auto pilot mode, and I do have a bike. I also run every day I like being out and about not lazy.
@@chirrin1989
I have no idea what you tried to say by "you would not get stuck in traffic in auto pilot mode" like, what the what now? If your day shift ends at the time when everyones else does, you will most likely get into traffic jam, that snail pace moving traffic jam. So what gives you more freedom here, sticking you behind the wheel for that next 30-60 minutes doing basically nothing while still keeping you alert all the time and looked at the car in front or giving you freedom to do anything else you want while car performs most mundane tasks?
Lmfao this is garbage