Chinese Martial Arts / Kung Fu Stances Explained!
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In order to understand #ChineseMartialArts / #KungFu styles, one must learn the historical context of how they were created and what they were used for.
Back in ancient times, soldiers wielded weapons to kill each other on the battlefield. Fighting barehanded would only be a last resort when you lost your weapons. Many Kung Fu systems are moulded from the Kung Fu weapon that was used in combat, thus each weapon represented a different set of movements and style.
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Criticize the stances? Really? In just 2 minutes this practitioner presents a very clear video offering precise and practical examples of Chinese martial application from a martial perspective - more real kung fu idea seen here in 2 minutes than can often be found in thousands of hours elsewhere on the internet, generally speaking.
So they can practice these stances, practice all the techniques, and it appears an innocuous sport to the imperial overlords. Then you get weapons for the people, and suddenly they all know how to use them since they've been training their whole life
Great explanation! Not sure about the sources, but I think it puts into perspective a lot of the hangups people had about traditional Chinese martial arts. Be interesting to see how also the weapons influence the unarmed combat. For instance, it's said that the stick fighting in Filipino Escrima/Kali influences their boxing style and for Baji, the spear strengthens the punching technique.
This is definitely the right idea to be thinking of TCMA in. As for the sources it's not likely that Bagua movements come from the deer horn knives as those weapons are not historically linked to Bagua lineages before like 1928. Bagua movements come from integrated wrestling, polearm, dagger, and bayonet fighting. Bajiquan's stance also probably comes from the short spear rather than sword and shield. Right on the money with Xingyi and Wing Chun origins though.
Wow, why did it take me so long to learn about this? Why does nobody mention this when talking about kung fu? The styles makes a hell of a lot more sense now!
It’s because not many people study the arts seriously and learn about the history and culture. They only think Kung Fu = weird animal shapes and movie choreography.
@@DynastyMMA Thanks for getting this video done guys
I'm curious about the explanation for Bajiquan. Where does that come from? As far as I'm aware Baji has spear, sword and stick techniques, but nothing for shield.
I too have never heard of Sword & Shield for Baji specifically. I was intrigued so here is my research:
We do know Ancient China had and used Round Rattan style Shields in warfare since the Ming Dynasty 1350-1650. Similar in design and use to the Spartans, In conjunction with a short sword or spear. The points he makes, Does make sense, Sword & Shield was a fantastic choice among many dominant ancient civilizations. Until the long spear / Pike became dominant. Bajiquan was estimated to have originated further back in 900AD, but the most recent record is still, 1700 with the Wu Baji Family's rise to fame. Where did the Shield Kung Fu go? CangZhou and the surrounding region, Known as the birthplace of Baji is also within the Ming Dynasty territory. Not far from Beijing, It is an important strategic military position. The Iron lion's history with Buddhism and Muslim culture also supports this claim.
Still, First time I've heard of this, And no particular direct mentions of it in English. Someone record an interview of a Meng village master please.
It makes me happy to know Bajiquan has chosen solid "meta" choices in history. Sword & Shield, Into long spear, Which makes sense as swords and shields fell out of play. Even the unarmed combat is very boxing, Muay Boran ith focus on proactive guards, countering and slips that I'm sure was unthought of for it's time. It is no wonder Bajiquan was one of the key influences in creating Sanda, But the modernization process is incomplete, rushed and sloppy, In a effort to create competent kickboxers quickly for an army, Instead of spending years to create one, probably sadistic and dangerous and most importantly independent individual.
@@poslavakkarison9640 would you happen to have a source for the influence of Baji on Sanda? Would love to learn more about it
@@user-vy2iz8cw8c ''If bajiquan remains essentially a rural style during the xviii th and xix th centuries, the style gradually spread at the beginning of xx th century to the surrounding towns, as Cangzhou , Tianjin , Zaozhuang and Beijing , ShangHai, etc. During the 1930s, the martial qualities of Baji Quan allowed it to reach the status of style officially recognized by the various Chinese governments of the time and to see its development thus encouraged on a national scale. On the one hand, two standardized Baji Quan sequences were introduced into the compulsory curriculum of various martial academies maintained at the time by the Nationalist Government , such as the Central Academy of Martial Arts in Nanjing (南京 中央 国 术 馆) or the 'Guilin Military Academy (桂林 军校 第六 分校) 19 , 20 . On the other hand, an expert from Mengcun, Wu XiuFeng, was enlisted at the same time by the Chinese Communist Party as an instructor of the Red Army within his stronghold of theSoviet Republic of Jiangxi 21 , 22 .
In 1949, following the coming to power of the Communists, some Baji Quan practitioners such as Liu YunQiao (刘云樵), Li YuanZhi (李元智), Zhang ZuYao (张祖尧), Huang GuoZhen (黄国桢) etc. decided to follow the GuoMinDang in his exile to Taiwan. The island then became a second home where Baji Quan developed for several decades independently of mainland Chinese schools, given the split between the two Chinese republics. On the mainland side, the practice of martial arts was first encouraged by the Chinese Communist Party.. During the first 15 years after the CCP came to power, we note the organization of many national and regional competitions where famous practitioners were officially awarded, such as Li ZanChen (李 赞 臣), Li Etang (李 鄂 堂), Wang JinSheng (王金 声), Ma XianDa (马 贤达), Wu XiuFeng, etc 22 . From 1966, following the Cultural Revolution , the practice of martial arts was suppressed by the government and the practice was carried out underground. ''
- 徐哲东 (Xu ZheDong),国 技 论 略 (Essay on Chinese Martial Arts) , 山东 科学 技术 出版社 (2003 reissue),1930
Neat stuff!
@@poslavakkarison9640 thank you for the lesson
This actually makes quite a bit of sense, I like it. Very informative stuff. Not sure about the sources, but from a 'common sense' perspective I can buy it.
I mean do you realy need a source when the whole collective of Kung Fu/Wushu practicioners also do weapon training? It implies that weapons have always been a part of that tradition.
I only did Wushu for a year, cause travelling up to 4 hours for 90 minutes of training wasn't sustainable for much longer, and never reached the point of being allowed to hold a weapon but it was clear that once you got far enough you are supposed to pick one up and practice the forms with it. (I did Wushu, which only means I learned the equivelent of a Kata from Karate but I loved it, it was super intense and fun and our group even flew to china to participate in competitons something I surely never did sadly enough)
But if you realy need a source: I'm confident there are painting of people holding weapons while training
@@anblueboot5364 That's absolutely true in terms of its traditions. And as for sources a lot of Chinese scholarship/recent historical research on the issue corroborates this viewpoint. The video does simplify things and got some things wrong (Bagua movements come from weapons but not from Deer horn blades as those aren't historically linked to Bagua lineages). Most Chinese Martial Arts did not start promoting themselves as primarily empty hand fighting systems until the 1920s at the earliest, and the varying quality of how they adapted their arts to empty hand is the reason for huge inconsistencies between lineages today outside of sport wushu/sanda. Many of the weapons forms performed in modern wushu either are still developed from this tradition or in some cases are based on the Beijing Opera.
@@unmessable12 I think your last remark about the Opera is very coherent. The wushu forms we see at Tournaments are developed/made with competition in mind. They are inspired and based on Traditions but developed with so much more in mind like Music and audience. I think it's very compareable with competitive dancing or figure skating!
@@anblueboot5364 Yeah that's a very good comparison. A lot of the discourse about wushu frames it like a fighting art that got turned into a performance sport. While this is true to some degree as much when I do wushu there are still recognizable fighting techniques if one knows where to look, it's more accurate imo to say that Wushu was largely an adaptation of the Beijing Opera from an acting/storytelling tradition into a competition format.
@@unmessable12 that's why I made the dance comparision, modern Salsa doesn't hold less "truth" compared to Salsa like a 100 years ago. The fundamentals of wushu technique and the training is still a weapon based combat style and until one does some freestyle with their forms they've done 100s of hours of traditional Forms. ^^
Just like with any other Skill. Fundamentals 1st.
Only one I doubt is if anyone was using those deer antler weapons in war though. That seems more of a folk weapon. The only one that doesn’t seem right is BaGua. Those twisting, coiling, bending is because BaGua is a wrestling art. Those are escapes and leg picks. The circle walking didnt come from some Taoist monk. That comes from Cheng Ting Hua having his students walk around the outer ring of his wrestling sand pit while the others would spar inside the sand pit. Originally BaGua had linear and zig zag stepping patterns before then. The historian Hai Yang also has a whole video about it here in TH-cam.
The other ones make sense. The butterfly knives were a poor militiaman’s weapon and only in the South
Xing Yi is known for the spear. God of the Spear
The Bow is the true king of weapons, Men had to learn archery, horseback riding and wrestling for the physical examinations. The back leaning stance isn’t, “useless in a real fight,” though it’s ALSO a shuaijiao throwing posture
Very Smart and Pragmatic culture… One motion can be a strike or an evasion or a lock or a throw or multiple or even all of the above. This way they didn’t have to train you ina bunch of different things. You get a handful of basic techniques and postures and then discover an infinite amount of uses.
Great video! I practice hung kuen and our position also mirrors the Kwun. I also think the stances arise from the natutal observation of human movement and dissects human movement into fundamental pieces/frames. Then, each piece is perfected with lower stances to strengthen the body - it's perfect considering age groups in society could differ quite considerably and whether you throw a punch or do a takedown, the underlying shape and movement of the body will be roughly the same. Lastly, practicing drills that gradually introduce some uncertainty and pressure to the student so they can learn incrementally. 🙏🏼
Considering the early stances of European pugilism before they started to cover hands like modern boxing, the same could be also applied there because initially, it was best on the fencing stances like both the punch of English style pugilist punches and french savate kicks was based on how fencers would thrust their sword.
That said and I can't emphasize enough that despite knowing these, weapon based art or not, there still needs to be a need for some sort of aliveness like sparring to really understand how these moves work.
Like there's a difference between knowing a move and knowing when to use a move
Very interesting! Thank you for the educational demonstration!
See the video " Alan Lee kungfu Wu Su part 1" watch all the fempty hand fighting before criticizing please. Alan Lee's school had has fought using karate and boxing stylist using traditional stances guards and stepping and won. There's pictures of it.
Thank You... Its a very logical explanation..
Thanks for posting and sharing this to clear up the skepticisms and doubts towards TMA, greatly appreciated!
This makes so much sense!!
Yes!
i see
Uh huh
Can u be my mentor
Oooohhh!
Oh.
very nice
谢谢你，我现在明白了
Wow, very good explanation. I always wondered why Chinese Martial Arts weren't utilised more in MMA. Tony Ferguson is the only fighter I know who uses one (Wing Chun).
Zabit Magomedsharipov comes from a wushu school. So pretty much all his martial arts are chinese based.
Cung Le, Pat Barry and some ONE fighters use Wushu/Sanda as well.
at last.somebody spoke the truth. martial arts are made for weapons ,you dont make war unarmed
How to use ot in real life
You will go to prison if you use killing weapon for street fight
@@HanselEinhard i mean how is chinese martial arts used in real.life i doubt anyone can be complex like this in a real fight
@@ajithsidhu7183 it depends on you as an example of how we use western martial arts for real life if we suck
@@HanselEinhard as in?
@UCcKrbhKjGQnhI1X8hLmBd_g of course but but what you see they don't even have a good physical condition they just confess
Heres the problem: Kung Fu shouldn't be fighting like western Boxers it's a complete different style with a different structure. Kung Fu has traditional techniques which most have been passed on but the application has been forgotten, now the new generation are questioning everything and playing a guessing game trying to find the answers. If you want to know how to use the stances and traditional punches properly, and I'm completely serious about this. Learn Shotokan Karate and how they apply it to sparring and competition. Then apply it to Kung Fu and it will become functional again. Shotokan Karate also originates from kung Fu so there's no shame in looking at it. It is the only traditional style I see who applies traditional Punching techniques in competition and sparring and its still recognisible, most importantly most of the application has not been forgotten and everything can be applied to Kung Fu.
Master..can you pls share some street defence techniques against handbag snatch thieves?
Yes in traditional Chinese Kung Fu but in Jeet Kune Do there is no traditional stands fight. You just attack essentially with the 1 inch punch.