Does the NEW Luminar Neo GenExpand Live up to Expectations?
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Luminar Neo's GenExpand has arrived in Update 1.17.0, and for portrait and landscape photographers, it's poised to revolutionize your photo editing experience. I've put GenExpand to the test, pitting it against the formidable Adobe Photoshop Generative AI in various scenarios.
You'll see how GenExpand does in expanding landscapes, transforming portraits by adding space above or in front of the subject and tackling complex urban scenes. We've left no stone unturned, providing you with detailed comparisons and insights into its strengths and weaknesses. By the end of this video, you'll have a clear understanding of the pros and cons of GenExpand and how it compares to Photoshop Generative AI.
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📌 What's New in Luminar Neo Update 1.17.0 with GenExpand
0:00 Luminar Neo GenExpand is now available
0:47 GenExpand FAQs and Things to be Aware of
1:26 Who Qualifies to get GenExpand for Free?
1:59 How is Luminar Neo GenExpand different than GenErase and GenSwap?
3:08 How to use Luminar Neo GenExpand
5:20 Tips for success with GenExpand
5:45 Strengths and Weaknesses of GenExpand
5:56 GenExpand example on Patterns with EXCELLENT Results
6:25 Example 2 on patterns with moderate results
7:26 GenExpand Examples on Landscape Photos
8:36 Testing GenExpand on Sky Photos
9:34 Expanding a Mountain Lake Scene With a Reflection as a test
10:19 Comparing Photoshop Generative AI to Luminar Neo GenExpand With Same Photos
10:57 Photoshop Generative AI vs GenExpand on People and Animal Photos
13:59 Portrait photo example 1 - Fail
14:26 Portrait Photo Example 2 with Tips for the Win
14:46 Adding space in front of family portrait subjects
15:21 Comparing GenExpand and Photoshop Generative AI on Complex Urban Scenes
17:30 How Well Does GenExpand Work on a Panoramic Stitched Photo?
18:49 Tips for Getting the Best Results with GenExpand
20:10 Things it works well on
21:28 What's Your Feature Request Wish List? Here's mine
23:01 Which of The New Tools Do You Honestly See Yourself Using the Most?
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Thank you, Darlene. Once again you've done a great review of the new functionality.
These tool is more usable...with patience. Thank you for these tutorial.
You bet!
Gen Expand, at time of release, seems to be the best generative tool. I will use it on photos that are missing on composition due to user error!
Agreed!
I'd use GenExpand sparingly to increase the foreground area of an image in which the subjects' feet are too close to the lower edge. I'd also use it to shift subjects from the centre of an image to the left or right third for a better composition.
Perfect use for it, I think this will do what you want nicely
Thks, very good review and like always an objective and honest review, so rare in the TH-cam world !! Keep doing like this
Thanks, will do!
Luminar gen tools have a long way to go.
Tentatively, it is more a gimmick for those who prioritize more to editing than actual art of photography.
Fair points
Very in-depth and very insightful. Thank you.
You're very welcome
Yes I would definitely give it a try if I needed more space on a photo.
It's worth a go!
Excellent tuition vid. I think the gen erase has got better and I am using it more. I haven't tried gen swap yet as I don't think it is for me and my photography. This new expand tool can be very useful to give some space around a tight image....and hopefully this one will improve over time too.
I agree. And I tried GenSwap again yesterday and it's already better too.
Thanks for that Darlene, very informative. Yes, I think GenExpand could be useful when it comes to perspective distortion shooting buildings with a wide angle lens. Often once corrected they run out of the picture area and often more sky/foreground is required. However, it would be nice to have a working version of Neo, as I have had problems for months of it not loading and have been stuck with version 1.12.0! So sadly not been able to explore all the recent upgrades.
Yes building expansion is what I'm thinking too. Sorry to hear you've had issues. Windows or mac?
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You're welcome
thank you, very helpful
Glad to hear that!
"Hit and miss" is correct. It all depends on the image you're using. This looks like Luminar will be updating this function for a long time.
I've had some success with it recently so I do think it's learning
Most AI engines have a limit of 1024 x 1024. If your image is considerably higher in resolution, the results will likely be disappointing. Lowering the resolution of the image before using the AI tools will give you much better results.
That sort of loses the point then doesn't it. Some of the images I tested it on were lower resolution but now that you mention that it makes me think.
@@DigitalPhotoMentor That may not be the point of most photographers, but it's a real limitation of the current state of the AI engines in use by software makers like Skylum and Adobe.
Thanks for the observation
@@MrMasPick
Through experience, I do all genexpand type work before and upscaling or noise reduction. It seems to help@@oldman8277
@@MrMasPick agreed
For everyone, it is possible to download models of stable diffusion and run it locally, without the internet, if you are inclined to put the work in.
Also, the 'generation' part takes longer when you do not have a rack of servers doing the heavy lifting for you.
Fooocus (yes, 3 "o's" ) is not a trivial install, but it is not hard for the technical minded, either. It runs in a browser, but it is running on your computer, not the internet. The models tend to be large, and there is a learning curve. You can get good results if you take the time to learn.
Yes but that isn't even photography anymore that's fully generated AI. I don't think most photographers are interested in that. I know I'm not. And what is fooocus? You lost me there
Sorry got off subject, I was working on a wingtip of a eagle it done fine but it left a stucco type artifact all across the expanded area?
Did you expand it only a small amount?
yes I tried all at once and than in small increments still the same results.@@DigitalPhotoMentor
All the new added Gen tools or kinda sucky at least for Me? The Gen erase was adding birds and weird cartoonish people when I used it today? When it did erase it left weird artifacts that where round like the tool?
I found GenSwap was better with this update. What about the new one, did you try it?
I don't see the Genexpand (and Generative tools section) button on my software at all???? I am running v1.18
If you have an older lifetime license or the older Explore subscription you'll have to upgrade to get them
Ahh shucks!!! Thanks for the help. @@DigitalPhotoMentor
Sorry for the bother. Cant seem to find the link to your Luminar cheat sheet. TIA.
Its in the video description just below the note about our holiday sale and before the table of contents for the video
This is the link
www.digitalphotomentor.com/freebies/luminar-neo-keyboard-shortcuts-cheat-sheet/
What is the largest image aize that Luminar can handle for these edits like GenExpand, Swap & Erase? Particularly Expand? I've heard Generative Fill in Photoshop maxes out at 1024x1024. I hope I'm wrong. But what's the largest size Luminar Neo can handle?
I have an 8x12" @ 300dpi photo I want to fix with some form of Generative AI. It's an underwater photo of a humpback whale i took last summer that's mostly great, except when I framed the shot, i cut off the last couple feet probably of its tail fin.
What i need to do is extend that side of the photo to get the back edge of the tail fin and a few extra feer of water to give the fin a little extra room in the picture. And it needs to be as sharp on the extended/expanded end as the rest of the image. And with no noticeable lines or edges running down that expanded side.
Do you think that's something LN can do properly, or should i just wait for a new & improved version sometime in the future? Or is there a better option from another company?
That's correct it is a limitation of the technology though not the software running it. As long as you expand the edge little by little instead of in one large chunk your results should be better. I do find that depending on the new section you may need to blend the edge to make it smooth. I used the Clone tool to do that
@@DigitalPhotoMentorThanks for your reply and this video. I just saw the comment that someone posted a couple weeks ago along those same lines. If we can't enlarge much beyond that, then these hyped up features are pretty much useless to me. It's a major caveat, but one they don't want to address. Just like the fine print disclaimers in so many product ads and car dealership commercials:
"....Taxes, licenses and fees may vary. Only valid every third month beginning with an R."
Anyway, would upgrading my computer with more RAM & new GPU help any or not?
@@MrX-zz2vk No upgrading won't help it's not a computer issue, it's the engine that runs the AI. So perhaps message Stable Diffusion and ask them. They are the ones that make the technology running it.
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Like the other two gen tools seems to have released a tad too early - i paid for the creative pass - perhaps i should have waited til next year
Did you see their announcement? It looks like as of January it will be just subscription
@@DigitalPhotoMentor oh my, that’s a disappointment. I left Adobe precisely because of that. Hmmm 🤔
@@Rackmani I get it and people were in a flap when Adobe did it. But honestly it's the standard now. And with the AI technology you really need to have a current subscription to use those tools. They can't let people have unlimited access to their servers without some kind of ongoing payment - too many people would abuse that. With the sales they've had lately you can get it for around $5/month which is half of what Adobe costs. So it's really quite reasonable.
@@DigitalPhotoMentor well of course, it all depends on the price, but if the AI stuff was working a bit better, I’d be far happier. I just feel that the creative pass hasn’t yet been good value for money
@@Rackmani I'm sorry to hear that. You didn't like the new Blur tool and Neon & Glow? Those are both great additions. Very useful.
I use the Photoshop Gen tools and Remove Tool so I am not in a hurry to use Luminar's 3 tools. Yes, they should provide 3 or more versions. Luminar should also improve Erase Powerlines. It's not bad but it misses some and you have to use the plain erase to remove the missed wires. BTW, the Remove Tool in Photoshop can be used to extend straight lines to fix lines that have been cut by mistake.
The Topaz Photo AI remove tool works better for Me.
Is that part of Photo AI? I don't have that one
yes it is@@DigitalPhotoMentor
The traditional Clone Tool in PS and Affinity does a much better job since there’s no sacrifice in resolution when cloning from area to another. If one wants to add something to the image that wasn’t there to begin with is a different need that belongs to the art of compositional artwork. Not photography.
Well that's a big discussion isn't it?
@@DigitalPhotoMentor Thank you for your reply! Yes, it sure is a big discussion and I think the reason is that if we want to have an honest relationship with an audience then the audience needs to know what have been done to an image to achieve the result. If it’s just a matter of our own pleasure of making art I personally see no reasons for creating arbitrary limitations or categorisations in relation to our artwork. But I think the audience do have legitimate reasons for claiming transparency around how an image was produced. Also, for the art of photography to retain its unique status among all the different types of art we have I think we need to be transparent about what’s been done to a raw image to achieve the result. Im not a purist and I don’t believe that we have captured an objective section of reality just because we happened to use a camera as our tool to do it. Too many technical and mental factors take part to build an image at the time of capture to be regarded as an objective registration of reality. I think the difficult discussion revolves around how far can we allow our personal involvement to control the outcome before we can no longer believe it to be a photo any more? Most people today would probably regard Ansel Adams work as belonging to the category of photography despite the fact that many of his images underwent significant “manipulation” in his darkroom post process. So I do think there’s a level of flexibility in regards to artistic license within the realm of photography, in the minds of the audience. But I also believe the audience have a legitimate claim in being informed about the process that led up to the finished result as well. If that’s done in an honest way it is up to the audience to decide if they want to regard our work as photography, digital art, or something else. Transparency is the key word here, I think.
As background information I like to point out that I have worked all my life as a free artist using a whole range of different approaches such as oil painting, classical woodblock printing, drawing, digital art and photography. Since the advent of the digital dimension it has become increasingly important to be very transparent about the techniques used in my relationship with the audience. I believe the audience have right to know if a photo have been significantly altered, and in what ways. Otherwise, the art of photography is quickly going to erode its reputation and uniqueness very quickly. At least in the eyes of an audience.
If we only make art for our own pleasure sake, there’s no need for transparency or any declaration of intent and purposes.
When it come to the Ai generative tools on the marked i see a great limitation in the low resolution it yields at the moment. My initial comment was about the superior results we can get from using the old Clone Tools since they are copying segments (with the same resolution) from one area of the image to another. I also work with digital restorations of old classical paintings for clients and the new Ai tools have been a great disappointment so far! Classical Clone and Texture tools are still far superior when we need to replace areas in a digital image. The secret in this type of work is to know how to separate colour information and texture to yield believable results. Another important aspect is to actually understand the subject matter we like to clone or replace, if a believable result is sought after. Right now, the resolution is too low and the results are mostly hit & miss guesswork from the generative Ai tools I’ve seen so far.
@@freetibet1000 thanks for such a thoughtful and well articulated reply. I agree with everything you said.
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Hello Why do Luminar Neo Staff release This and other tools which are almost there but not quite there also Supersharp Ai why give us an almost-there addition to our program.
If this works better than photoshop then both are lacking.
Have you tried any generative AI tools? In this case it's the nature of the beast. As for Sharpen, I totally agree for me it's a useless tool
Same problems as PS.
I think it's the generative AI that's the issue. Photo realistic it is not
I too have this new tool, BUT I don't think ANYONE being serious will use this new tool yet, it is several iterations away from being useful!
Thanks for commenting. Have you tried it and you got less than perfect results?
I find Luminar NEO very disappointing so far
All of it or just the new Gen tools? How so?
so we have yet another half baked tool that will never get fixed and made usable. this is so sad
That's not what I said nor does it echo my opinions. Is it perfect? No. But neither is Photoshops. I got some good results from it. Did you watch the whole video?
@DigitalPhotoMentor yes I did. my comments are not directed towards you or your comments. my comments are directed to Luminar NEO. as the new features continue to be a disappointment and from my many years trying to use their products there is a consistent history of their failing to finalize a tool into a trustworthy tool. such as powerline removal STILL rarely is able to identify powerlines and remove them. there is still no tool for easy correction of mask edges. so considering my years of experience with luminar products. I've earned the right to be disappointed. why would they release a tool that ca
n only partially work in specific image types. so is the case for these ladt three tools
@@daviddyephotography Fair enough, may I suggest that you email them to tell them this directly. They do not read comments on TH-cam videos so it would mean a lot more to send it to them
After watching this video… I will probably NOT use this tool… you pointed out some real issues with the tool… plus I find it all too gimmicky.
@@brettyg76 If you already own Luminar Neo and have access to the tool, why not try it? You have nothing to lose. And honestly this is the one of the three GEN tools that I find not gimmicky. I see a real practical use for it when used sparingly