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I’ll never forget my first raid with a “semi hardcore” guild I applied and got accepted for. I was fully world buffed, all consumes, meticulously planned. It was AQ so I hit my gadgetzan teleport and behold, I drew the unlucky roll and was sitting high above Gadget about to fall to my death. I am freaking out but remembered I had noggenfogger knowing I would only get one chance for the slow fall, so I hit it and by some lucky chance I get it. I was so grateful because showing up to my first raid without buffs with that guild would have been very emberassing and might have gotten me kicked
This... I've got no other thing to say besides just, this. Warzone or other royale rages won't even come close to the rage being dispelled right before a WoW classic raid entrance. I'd rather be wacked in the marble sack. ....those were the days....
I'll always remember running from SW mage tower with 3 undead rogues behind me, knowing in a few seconds I'd lose my buffs, the time and gold I spent getting them, and won't enjoy the whole raid night anymore. I'll probably also remember the joy I felt if we all wiped on the 1st boss anyway...
Back on Stalagg we were so badly outnumbred, it was better to hearth to Loch Modan/Westfall and fly to Ironforge/Stormwind, since you lost the PVP flag after the flight landing in an alliance zone. Man it was cancer, but also some of the fondest memories I have of that special game, weirdly enough.
Classic classic is by far the most fun ive ever had in a game. There was always so much to do and you remembered people alot more often. You knew who griefed, Where they griefed, Who sold buffs, which buffs they sold, Who were hardcore pvpers and who were parse gods. The game was fantastic.
I was on Whitemane when P2 dropped. Luckily, I had already hit level 60 and was almost done farming my pre-bis for MC. My guild, Acquired Taste, would meet up at Thelsamar and ride south into the Searing Gorge, then into BRM. We had so many epic battles in our way to MC. We would sometimes go alone or combine with other alliance guilds heading to raid in order to “break the siege” upon the mountain. Sometimes we were very successful taking little to no casualties, other times we would get battered, and a few times we got wiped. Usually, the latter was due to a pincer move by the Horde. At the time it was fun as first, then yeah it did start to get annoying when you wanted to test your dps limits (I was a Hunter), but looking back I think those memories were amongst the most epic I ever had during Classic.
Being an alliance rogue and having your hiding spot underneath Orgrimmar found out and playing games of hide in seek to get warchiefs blessing was def a special type of gameplay 😂. Then wearing some of your tier 1 on accident that has shadow resistance on it so you resist mind control 3 times in a row and miss the buff right before raid. Ohh boy 😂
I was in a medium population server back in original vanilla and I'll never forget the two rogues that would often pester us entering BRM on raid nights, but that was a minor nuisance compared to the sweaty, borderline grief-wars going on in Classic! I never enjoyed getting opened up on by a couple of stealthed rogues, but I felt like a real scout when I would catch them with a flare and mark them for death!
I hated world buffs themselves, but I loved the WPVP drama they created. Grobb was a beautiful sea of green red and white. Red and green as far as the eyes could see.
Totally agree. I wish WB stayed flower/Ony head only. Hell, just Ony head if you were really lazy. Then off to the races you go. Some of my best moments in vanilla was the pre-raid stuff. It only became cancer when you had to do Dire Maul IMO.
Classic raiding for me was about chill social times with the friends. Yes it's braindead and mountains of trash. Yes it's all about grinding prep for the raid before the raid itself. Yes staying awake can be a challenge when on farm status. But being super powered up from a zillion consumes and raid buffs felt strong. The challenge was also more like a hardcore challenge, not dying not just during but before, just getting to raid safely on a PvP server could be challenging. I love all the immersive slow grind of classic, the dangers, the risk, the time consuming nature, the chill relaxed socialising, the weird strats and group comps, it's all part of the unique experience.
being basically an arena only player im surprised how much i enjoyed classic wow. It really was alot of fun being apart of a guild and everyone helping each other
You guys could always ditch world buffs and a) get more authentic more difficult raids and b) save yourself from a headache which is trying not to lose world buffs.
It is worth mentioning that there were also a summoning spot back in phase 3 for BWL. The glitch started at the right corner of the room with the portal to UBRS/LBRS, you can use a potion of growth (one with deviate fish) and instantly logout, and for some reason it pushed you to the roof of this room above the textures. There you could summon raiders with the worldbuffs, and they could run above the corridor of death and jump straight at the entrance to the Orb room. So you could compliment the run to the orb with an invisibility potion or some distraction, and that would give you nearly 95% survival chance. On the Earthshaker we had horde dominating the BWL entrance typically, so ally discovered the summoning spot and tried to have it concealed until AQ40. Horde tried to break through, but with no coordinated attempt it worked out pretty well. Also, a good note was people selling out a new-found summoning spots for a nice profit to other guilds.
To enter BWL you could get a character on top of the walkway leading towards the orb. We've had multiple low level warlocks with hundreds of shards there to summon everyone safely and then simply jump down through the ceiling and click the orb. Clever use of game mechanics ;)
There was still a small window where you had to interact with the Orb. There were guilds and groups who would sit in the orb room for hours, farming honor and cockblocking anyone trying to zone in.
We'd have a warlock jump up the side of the Naxx portal and summon our whole raid ontop of the portal in Eastern Plaguelands, if you fell off the top without directly landing inside the portal....you were ganked by 5 rogues and your hard earned world buffs were now gone....
I loved these sort of stuff in classic, even though how frustrating losing world buffs was. Gathering at flight point and traveling as group. There definitely was griefing aspects - there were people who made themselves known by being pricks. One such case is a guild waiting logged out at Yojimbo isles. When alliance got their buff, they logged in en-masse and attacked while people were waiting/casting portals. Apparently they had been paid by alliance guild to do that. AQ40 and Naxx were much easier at times. People managed to get in... creative places with warlocks (inside AQ40 gate wall, under Naxx portal or on mushroom), behind instance portal of Dire Maul when getting world buffs. However, being PvP servers, they occasionally were killed and you had to, for example, travel from Aerie Peak, passing through mountains, circling around Caer Darrow lake and going to eastern plaguelands, where you'd turn left jump over the mountains and head to entrance. Sometimes safest way was like that. If I ever start again in classic vanilla, I'd still play on PvP. Just makes interactions in world more interesting, although there is issue of faction balance. It became more pronounced for us at end of vanilla/TBC, where we had to skip town because of our faction represented 5% of player population. Although, miss me with world buffs. I imagine it'd kill lot of this sort of PvP since there is no real risk or reward (outside of honor, but people didn't world pvp for honor after p2).
We used to summon people on top of the AQ40 gates (behind the portal) and if you managed to jump correctly you would hit the portal and zone in. For Naxx we had summons on top of the spires/tentacles of the ziggurat and then jump down the hole to zone in. Risky, someone always died but it was good enough
the first time I went to raid in MC I confidently tried to use the skip I recently learned by jumping down into the lava. I jumped down the wrong direction and died multiple times before reaching MC using every consumable I could to survive a bit longer. It definitely felt harder than MC itself, but mostly due to my own stupidity hahaha
love these videos, crazy how this channel blew up, i love just questing slowly and watching class videos or videos like this, vanilla was so qwerky, and i think the world, good or bad would be in a much worse place, i am sad i stopped leveling at 22 on my rogue, but i'm on ERA servers atm and just enjoy watching these whilst questing
I miss vanilla big time. Classic leveling was fun because the world provided a challenge that would be overcome as a group. WPVP provided that same open-world challenge for me and kept the world exciting, even if that meant losing out on a parse week.
Start on Classic era mate. I did 2 weeks ago and due to it not being updated people aren't sweating hardcore. It's just community building and chilling
I absolutely HATED the World Buffs which mostly came from the whole Min Max thing EVEYRONE had to follow. Every time I had to collect the WB I would only get the minimum required by my guild. Warchief, Dragon and Songflower. I only got others if I had time to spare or it was safe to get them. The other part about it I hated was, that after you got them all, you had to log out of your main char. You had to safe the time on your WB so now you could either play on an alt or stop playing the game..... The Best part of TBC was the removal or not required to gather WB's for raids.
You didnt need world buffs unless you were in Naxx. If you dont care about min maxing then dont? Really dont see the issue here for more casual players. There were a shit ton of casual guilds that didnt require WB. I agree that raid logging sucked and chronoboon was a good change.
@@Rasmanit This is also dont get. Like why join a guild that plays in a way you hate, just so weird. There was plenty of guilds that didnt demand them, and theres always the option of just creating your own, with the amount of people not liking them in these comments it would be filled to the brim.
I liked the Phase 2 a lot. Was ganked through vanish by like 20 alliance in Felwood, was scary as hell. Ganked the BRD entrance as 4 rogues squad, ran around as Naxx geared warrior, done all of it. Wish I had tried the Shadow Priest and the Mage, alas. Yet I kinda enjoyed the clueless PvP and ganking during the first two years of Vanilla the most, was really the best years to enjoy the best online game ever made.
I was in Un'goro Crater with my enhancement shaman during phase 2 and was constantly destroyed by roaming packs of alliance death squads. It was really immersive and scary, but the walk back was not fun lol. I remember one time though I one-shot a skull gnome frost mage when I got a huge windfury crit. Those are the times I play enhancement shaman for.
classic raiding definitely has a place in my heart. people were complaining about world buffs, but i knew that what makes it special. the effort and drama that comes with it.
This was my most hated, yet, favorite memory. The anxiety of getting into the dungeon and the creativity/planning involved made it awesome. Sure, I went through about 14 keyboards, but had an overall great time.
I look back at classic raiding, worldbuffing, mouse cat-chasing with enormous rose-tinted goggles, and I miss it deeply. However, despite of this, I do remember the headache of having to wake up, or rather stay up, until early in the morning to get Warchief's blessing and songflower, which interfered a lot with my school and daily life. But, god, do I miss hanging out with all the boys until the sun rose just to get that buff, getting little or no sleep at all before having to go to school. Classic Vanilla sure was an experience.
Yeah, same here, if it happens again after WOTLK ends I would prolly go on a PVE server because of the time sink and how I can’t just log in at any time of the day anymore to get world buffs.
our guild usually had people setting their buffs up earlier in the day, then getting ported to right outside the raid entrance way earlier than raid time, then hanging out on alts until it was time to log over on their main for go-time
I remember having to corpse walk from thorium point to molten core as alliance on a VERY imbalanced server in horde’s favor. With rez timers, it could take around 45 minutes. I quit playing after two raid lockouts.
It was for speed/parsing, not because it was needed to clear. And for alot of people the fun of classic was the speed/parsing part since the difficulty part wasnt really there. And if people in your raid wasnt world buffed, that ment your parse would also be worse given longer killtimes.
I definitely loved the pre-raid rituals in classic. It's not sustainable because of how much of a time sink it ends up being, but I was not tired of it.. yet 😅
I loved it to, was so much fun all the prepwork that went into it, for sure my favorite part of classic. Dont know how reexperiencing it would feel though, and for sure it was the biggest time sink ever. People with less time to play did suffer for sure.
Yes, Classic servers are still there on Classic Era, and lots of people are still playing if you join the right clusters. The added benefit is that because there's no content progression, there's also no pressure to prep for new raids for weeks, and your bis is your bis, forever. Makes the game a lot more chill and accessible if like me you have less time to play than back during the first year of classic.
Played on a PVE realm at the start of Classic so I wouldn't know about any of these problems. The only issue we had was Alliance players sitting on songflowers sometimes. Moved to a PVP realm in Wrath due to higher population, but it's 99% Horde so it's essentially a PVE realm lol.
NGL, I enjoyed the whole thing far more than the raids themselves. I'm still mad that they added RBG's and Arenas earlier than planed. World PvP was so fun, raids on raids fights and special strategies.
i miss classic. I hope they start introducing minor seasonal changes eventually. It would keep it fresh. Similar to the D2R patches. Small changes to a game that works.
One thing we did on Bigglesworth is have a our second raid group go first(they raided on a different night) ahead of us and wipe people out to help prevent us from getting jumped on our way in. For AQ40 we had a team of alt locks set up on top of the wall to the right of the portal, just above that pillar people would run out of, we'd use noggen foggers to get slow fall and mount right into the center of the portal outside of the dispel range for the most part(I used the gnomish invis device with noggen to be invis the entire time.
Before mid BWL and onward where we used the "clever use of game mechanics" to find safe summoning spots, it was actually a multi guild effort getting into MC/BWL. Several alliance guilds on my server all organised at the flight point at Burning Steppes right after getting their Ony buff and left for the mountain at the same time. So it was usually 100+ alliance charging in at once, usually enough to counter the slight overpopulation of horde. Good times!
I remember all my guildies complaining about it but being a druid, I could often solo my way their 30 mins before raid time and log off inside without any issues.
My guild has a bunch of chads who would sit alt warlocks full of soul shards on the roof of the BWL orb. Would just call safe times throughout the day to summon all of our raiders. Never lost world buffs that way
Rushing home from school/work, getting invited at 3 PM by the chad raid leader whom opened up for invites during the morning of raid-day, and would sit on discord all day saying when it was and wasn't safe to zone in! Those were the days.
Me and my friend played two pvp rogues (alliance) and we camped the entrance to dire maul every day,whole day We had an addon to screenshot when we kill someone with world buffs,by the arrival of the chrono boom we had around 800 screenshots of world buffs getting griefed by us Horde was so angry that they raided Stormwind to kill us,but we were offline that time,when we logged on,we got like 20 whispers and mails of people telling us to stop beacuse Horde were killing every alliance player they saw cause of us lol
Wow this is insane!! I played PVE vanilla classic from launch until early Naxxramas patch and never heard of this! I love how they had to farm mats and trinkets for the PVP encounter, that's brilliant! I bet you guys were on the opposite side at times? 😂
The only reason world buffs and the cat/ mouse summoning game were viable, because it was all happening peak covid when we were all home. Chronobooms obviously made it better. The OG way was fun at the time but, looking back, never again.
In my guild we had 3 warlocks who had to go the the raid as scouts and summon our raid to the portals or orb. Sometimes we lost our world buffs, but that was better than risking the entire raid.
We organised a Horde hit squad in our guild, mostly mages to maximise destruction. Climbing up to the top of the doors leading into BRM from searing gorge where the alliance always came through, by jumping out the window near the BWL orb and following the balcony. A hunter use eagle eye to spot the ally raid's position. When they got into BRM, they were disorganised, this is when we striked, dropped down like paratroopers with slow fall and aoe spam. Usually killed 50-70% of the enemy raid (damn pally bubble healers) but the real damage was the most atrocious drama between guilds and server discord, our raid nights getting counter ganked by spies in our guild. Good times!
ah good times. This is the reason i got bored on my 90% ally server. Sure I got to parse 99s without consequence, but i ended up raid logging all week. Instead I made another dude on Whitemane, a pure 50/50 clusterfuck server. Every week it was so fun getting 40 people buffed and into raid. ESPECIALLY on darkmoon fair week.
i remember having to clear UBRS to the bwl portal because of world buff reasons. we had the entire raid log out at like 3 am at the UBRS portal day before raid had a group clear ubrs up to the portal then ran everyone through it. lost everyone about 7 minutes of world buffs but was much safer than trying to lottery the orb
Its crazy its only been like 2 years since vanilla classic wrapped up. As silly as the process was, there was something so uniquely fun about the vanilla experience with world buffs and i hope blizzard brings back wbuff servers
I had a summoning lock for my raid. Loved helping everyone get to raid early and looking out for alliance trying to sneak in. So much fun I remember how much it got the blood pumping trying to protect your raid and get people there in 1 piece. Herod was a ton of fun. Man now I'm just thinking of all the things I kinda forgot about from Classic. It was my first time raiding/playing vanilla. My guild was great and guild master was the man. Was an incredible experience I got to share with my GF who was also raiding and playing. I was out of work because of the pandemic but still being paid to be unemployed so I just full time played wow. I've mained warrior in every wow expansion since original TBC so getting to play vanilla warrior was an endless source of fun.
That was my fav spot to blow horde up. I have a video on my youtube of killing a bunch. Check it out :) Willie check it out also. As far as i know I think its a record at 92 horde killed in seconds :)
This was a really fun part of classic for me. I know it annoyed alot of people. My guild didn't use world buffs so we didn't have much to worry over besides time loss. Healing the homies as we fought our way to MC made p1 alot more interesting. It made p2 a weekly war!
back in the days in 2005 my Horde warlock did kill so many people in Black Roack Mountain. Once i got killed by a whole raid. They did show up one by one ;D Feared them in mobs in Burning Stepps. Good old times :D
We ended up turning into a no WB guild at AQ40. Was more satisfying defeating it that way and a lot less time consuming. The raid may have been 20 minutes longer but saved more time overall
I remember one week my guild having to port people into the backside of the BRS portal, walk into the instance, get ported to the other side of the dungeon, and walk into the portal above the blackhand arena into BWL, just to avoid the shitload of alliance priests camping outside the orb entrance that was normally used. World buffs were definitely interesting.
I had 11 accounts open during this time. I would multi-box and clear dire maul; I had sets of 3 warlocks all over the world hidden in different places. I would summon my guild behind the portal in Dire Maul, Summon them to the hills of booty Bay, Summon them to the mountain behind a a songflower, then summon them beneath the map of Ogramar, and finally, I would call people directly to the raid we were doing. I had warlocks hidden in a wall of Upper BlackRock, Below the Nax portal, Behind the AQ 40 portal. Most of the time, it was a pretty clean entry into raids.
Hi Will! I hope there will always be popular Classic servers available if I ever get the itch for this kind of fun again, but I'm glad it's not in any other expansions.
I got into classic late. It was already AQ time when I got myself to lvl 60 and into even some semi decent gear. Even still I think that summoning/gathering up and getting to the raid made it more personal. You were more invested in the guild as it were. I had several clickers on my two accounts that would help with summons etc. Personally I got really bummed out by the buffs limiting play, not so much them having to be safeguarded. For reference I played on ZT a RPPVP server and boy did we have it rough on the horde side. Still loved every moment of it and tbh I'm really hoping for a classic relaunch so I can see the early phases and also just play the game again... HC is nice and all but it's still different to be able to form a guild with fresh characters and such.
Never forgot phase 2. But now that time has passed, rolling out as a raid on pvp servers with the risk of losing world buffs was peak WoW. Vanilla Classic is GOATed imo
I'm about to it 60 on my first classic char and I'm at a crossroads... I don't particularly care about raiding (don't have the time commitment,) pvp seems too daunting considering how good people are, and wpvp on my server is nonexistent. I can't really imagine just starting a new char and lvling again. HELP! What do I do now??
I leveled to 60 back in 2005 on a PVP server. Never again. As a mage, I was always a target while questing. I can't imagine doing that and trying to raid with world buffs.
my guild always had to go out and get world buffs together and go to the raid together then dispells started and then we had to evolve and be sneaky with the summons
the best part was being a rogue you could just stealth and run right to MC during the bullshit and get in with no problem. But the stress was still high and I do miss it but im glad its not a thing in wrath.
I thought this was the most unique thing that NO ONE talks about? This was one of the biggest points of conversation with anyone I played with on Classic. If you weren't leveling an alt or doing dungeons just for kicks because you know you will curbstomp them, you were acquiring world buffs and logging to save them for the raids.
There’s an easier way to jump into the uninstanced ZG by jumping up the right side of the entrance. Not necessarily faster for alliance but it’s faster for horde if needed.
As a PvE small server Andy, i never got to enjoy any of this and i regret it so much. But i did get top 2% in Naxx on my warrior because i didnt have to worry about the cat and mouse
I didnt and still cant comprehend, that people got banned for dispelling Worldbuffs. It wasnt Griefing. It was PVP'ing. If you dont make it with your WB's to the Raid, its your fault.
I was playing on a server with an 20-80% opposite faction split. I had to spend the entire day of my raids preparing summoning spots, because every week our old spot would get compromised and turned into a death trap. "Creative" summoning locations like the mushroom and beneath Naxx does not work whatsoever when the opposite faction outnumbers you several times over, they have 40 people camping those spots too, you need to use worse and worse locations and swap between them every week in an attempt at surviving. Then summon as quickly as possible before the dozen priests spamming mind vision with the enemy detector addon in the zone locate you. At times it was fun and exciting, but a vast majority of time it was just suffering. My favorite naxx summoning spot was the bone spikes above the entrance to Naxxramas, if you logged on 10 summoning alts at once, summoned everyone in the raid in 2-3 minutes you would often get the raid inside Naxxramas before the enemy faction had a chance to send a group of people up there to stop you. The only risk was the last few yards of the spike before reaching the entrance, it would be within range of hunter abilities and as you jumped down you would be in range of dispels, also if you jumped wrong you would hit the ground and die. Every raid someone would mess up their invisibility potion, using it too late and getting shot by 5 hunters and dying instantly, getting dispelled, or jumping down wrong. But it was the best way we found.
I've been playing Classic on PVE servers because I played on private PVP servers for years before Blizzard launched Classic and got tired of having to deal with dispells on raid night.
As a dad of 15 kids working 3 jobs and nightschool... *Ahem*... I got tired of my inability to regularly play resulting in me feeling like I was always catching up and incapable of experiencing content when it was 'fresh' like the majority, so despite WotLK being my favourite expansion and having been eagerly awaiting it's re-release since before Classic launched, I gave it up. I've recently returned to Classic Era; Firemaw Alliance. I loved my time in Classic and never experienced P6 for the above reasons. As the game is now stagnant, I hope to be able to. I am loving it. The server is very alive. I agonised over PvE vs. PvP for the points raised at the end of this video, but having always played PvP servers and the Chronoboon thing now being in-game, I decided to stick with PvP.
@@cattysplat IKR? Managed to keep relatively up to speed until T6, by which point my interest in farming gold against the GDKP-tide to fund consumables for a raid that would be over and irrelevant as TBC had been announced. Sort of killed my interest. So knowing the game is going nowhere after Naxx is helpful. I'm level 26 now :)
Absolutely loved it :) PvP in BRM was so much fun. Maybe a middle ground can be found, so that folks don’t burn out / move to PvE realms. For example, we could make losing your buffs a little more tolerable by rebalancing / nerfing them.
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You say you can fap to get inside but I find myself fapping because I can't get inside. hmph.
Come on wille wow is dead ,,, hang it up
nope, thx.
I’ll never forget my first raid with a “semi hardcore” guild I applied and got accepted for. I was fully world buffed, all consumes, meticulously planned. It was AQ so I hit my gadgetzan teleport and behold, I drew the unlucky roll and was sitting high above Gadget about to fall to my death. I am freaking out but remembered I had noggenfogger knowing I would only get one chance for the slow fall, so I hit it and by some lucky chance I get it. I was so grateful because showing up to my first raid without buffs with that guild would have been very emberassing and might have gotten me kicked
That's why you would want to equip your parachute cloak first.
i remember being full world buffed and watching every corner just to get dispelled right at the entrance of molten core lol
BWL, yikes ;D
Come on wille…. Wow is dead, hang it up
This...
I've got no other thing to say besides just, this.
Warzone or other royale rages won't even come close to the rage being dispelled right before a WoW classic raid entrance. I'd rather be wacked in the marble sack.
....those were the days....
I'll always remember running from SW mage tower with 3 undead rogues behind me, knowing in a few seconds I'd lose my buffs, the time and gold I spent getting them, and won't enjoy the whole raid night anymore.
I'll probably also remember the joy I felt if we all wiped on the 1st boss anyway...
Sounds like a get gud issue.
Back on Stalagg we were so badly outnumbred, it was better to hearth to Loch Modan/Westfall and fly to Ironforge/Stormwind, since you lost the PVP flag after the flight landing in an alliance zone. Man it was cancer, but also some of the fondest memories I have of that special game, weirdly enough.
Classic classic is by far the most fun ive ever had in a game. There was always so much to do and you remembered people alot more often. You knew who griefed, Where they griefed, Who sold buffs, which buffs they sold, Who were hardcore pvpers and who were parse gods. The game was fantastic.
then why do people cry so much about it?
@@thiskneegrow people love to complain
@@thiskneegrowsome do, some dont
@@thiskneegrow xdddd
@@thiskneegrow Because people want easy mode. So Blizzard gives them easy mode. Then they don't realise what they have lost.
I was on Whitemane when P2 dropped. Luckily, I had already hit level 60 and was almost done farming my pre-bis for MC. My guild, Acquired Taste, would meet up at Thelsamar and ride south into the Searing Gorge, then into BRM. We had so many epic battles in our way to MC. We would sometimes go alone or combine with other alliance guilds heading to raid in order to “break the siege” upon the mountain. Sometimes we were very successful taking little to no casualties, other times we would get battered, and a few times we got wiped. Usually, the latter was due to a pincer move by the Horde.
At the time it was fun as first, then yeah it did start to get annoying when you wanted to test your dps limits (I was a Hunter), but looking back I think those memories were amongst the most epic I ever had during Classic.
imagine being in the fake acquired taste lmao
Being an alliance rogue and having your hiding spot underneath Orgrimmar found out and playing games of hide in seek to get warchiefs blessing was def a special type of gameplay 😂. Then wearing some of your tier 1 on accident that has shadow resistance on it so you resist mind control 3 times in a row and miss the buff right before raid. Ohh boy 😂
I was in a medium population server back in original vanilla and I'll never forget the two rogues that would often pester us entering BRM on raid nights, but that was a minor nuisance compared to the sweaty, borderline grief-wars going on in Classic! I never enjoyed getting opened up on by a couple of stealthed rogues, but I felt like a real scout when I would catch them with a flare and mark them for death!
I hated world buffs themselves, but I loved the WPVP drama they created. Grobb was a beautiful sea of green red and white. Red and green as far as the eyes could see.
Ye they should be a scroll so u can pop it up any time for all team.i was playing on pvp server and dont care because i was healer
Totally agree. I wish WB stayed flower/Ony head only. Hell, just Ony head if you were really lazy. Then off to the races you go. Some of my best moments in vanilla was the pre-raid stuff. It only became cancer when you had to do Dire Maul IMO.
Classic raiding for me was about chill social times with the friends. Yes it's braindead and mountains of trash. Yes it's all about grinding prep for the raid before the raid itself. Yes staying awake can be a challenge when on farm status. But being super powered up from a zillion consumes and raid buffs felt strong. The challenge was also more like a hardcore challenge, not dying not just during but before, just getting to raid safely on a PvP server could be challenging. I love all the immersive slow grind of classic, the dangers, the risk, the time consuming nature, the chill relaxed socialising, the weird strats and group comps, it's all part of the unique experience.
being basically an arena only player im surprised how much i enjoyed classic wow. It really was alot of fun being apart of a guild and everyone helping each other
>raids were easy
>you NEEDED world buffs to raid
This doesn't really make sense lol
you needed world buffs to finish them fast or be competitive in terms of speed. not to clear them.
You guys could always ditch world buffs and a) get more authentic more difficult raids and b) save yourself from a headache which is trying not to lose world buffs.
It is worth mentioning that there were also a summoning spot back in phase 3 for BWL. The glitch started at the right corner of the room with the portal to UBRS/LBRS, you can use a potion of growth (one with deviate fish) and instantly logout, and for some reason it pushed you to the roof of this room above the textures. There you could summon raiders with the worldbuffs, and they could run above the corridor of death and jump straight at the entrance to the Orb room. So you could compliment the run to the orb with an invisibility potion or some distraction, and that would give you nearly 95% survival chance.
On the Earthshaker we had horde dominating the BWL entrance typically, so ally discovered the summoning spot and tried to have it concealed until AQ40. Horde tried to break through, but with no coordinated attempt it worked out pretty well. Also, a good note was people selling out a new-found summoning spots for a nice profit to other guilds.
Until Blizzard started banning people for hiding up there. So incredibly stupid.
To enter BWL you could get a character on top of the walkway leading towards the orb. We've had multiple low level warlocks with hundreds of shards there to summon everyone safely and then simply jump down through the ceiling and click the orb. Clever use of game mechanics ;)
Yeah, that's what my guild eventually did a few weeks into BWL. Much less stress lol.
There was still a small window where you had to interact with the Orb. There were guilds and groups who would sit in the orb room for hours, farming honor and cockblocking anyone trying to zone in.
I love hearing about these PvP stories, but I'd hate to live them.
We'd have a warlock jump up the side of the Naxx portal and summon our whole raid ontop of the portal in Eastern Plaguelands, if you fell off the top without directly landing inside the portal....you were ganked by 5 rogues and your hard earned world buffs were now gone....
I loved these sort of stuff in classic, even though how frustrating losing world buffs was. Gathering at flight point and traveling as group. There definitely was griefing aspects - there were people who made themselves known by being pricks. One such case is a guild waiting logged out at Yojimbo isles. When alliance got their buff, they logged in en-masse and attacked while people were waiting/casting portals. Apparently they had been paid by alliance guild to do that.
AQ40 and Naxx were much easier at times. People managed to get in... creative places with warlocks (inside AQ40 gate wall, under Naxx portal or on mushroom), behind instance portal of Dire Maul when getting world buffs. However, being PvP servers, they occasionally were killed and you had to, for example, travel from Aerie Peak, passing through mountains, circling around Caer Darrow lake and going to eastern plaguelands, where you'd turn left jump over the mountains and head to entrance. Sometimes safest way was like that.
If I ever start again in classic vanilla, I'd still play on PvP. Just makes interactions in world more interesting, although there is issue of faction balance. It became more pronounced for us at end of vanilla/TBC, where we had to skip town because of our faction represented 5% of player population.
Although, miss me with world buffs. I imagine it'd kill lot of this sort of PvP since there is no real risk or reward (outside of honor, but people didn't world pvp for honor after p2).
Excited for the one hour asmon reaction
Lol
Dude is so anti classic now it's sad.
@@cattysplat Who?
@@cattysplat always has been grow up 😂
@@zometthecometsaying "grow up" while using some cringe emoji is kinda ironic dont you think?
We used to summon people on top of the AQ40 gates (behind the portal) and if you managed to jump correctly you would hit the portal and zone in. For Naxx we had summons on top of the spires/tentacles of the ziggurat and then jump down the hole to zone in. Risky, someone always died but it was good enough
the first time I went to raid in MC I confidently tried to use the skip I recently learned by jumping down into the lava. I jumped down the wrong direction and died multiple times before reaching MC using every consumable I could to survive a bit longer. It definitely felt harder than MC itself, but mostly due to my own stupidity hahaha
love these videos, crazy how this channel blew up, i love just questing slowly and watching class videos or videos like this, vanilla was so qwerky, and i think the world, good or bad would be in a much worse place, i am sad i stopped leveling at 22 on my rogue, but i'm on ERA servers atm and just enjoy watching these whilst questing
I miss vanilla big time. Classic leveling was fun because the world provided a challenge that would be overcome as a group. WPVP provided that same open-world challenge for me and kept the world exciting, even if that meant losing out on a parse week.
Start on Classic era mate. I did 2 weeks ago and due to it not being updated people aren't sweating hardcore. It's just community building and chilling
I absolutely HATED the World Buffs which mostly came from the whole Min Max thing EVEYRONE had to follow.
Every time I had to collect the WB I would only get the minimum required by my guild. Warchief, Dragon and Songflower. I only got others if I had time to spare or it was safe to get them.
The other part about it I hated was, that after you got them all, you had to log out of your main char. You had to safe the time on your WB so now you could either play on an alt or stop playing the game.....
The Best part of TBC was the removal or not required to gather WB's for raids.
You didnt need world buffs unless you were in Naxx. If you dont care about min maxing then dont? Really dont see the issue here for more casual players. There were a shit ton of casual guilds that didnt require WB. I agree that raid logging sucked and chronoboon was a good change.
@@Rasmanit This is also dont get. Like why join a guild that plays in a way you hate, just so weird. There was plenty of guilds that didnt demand them, and theres always the option of just creating your own, with the amount of people not liking them in these comments it would be filled to the brim.
I liked the Phase 2 a lot. Was ganked through vanish by like 20 alliance in Felwood, was scary as hell. Ganked the BRD entrance as 4 rogues squad, ran around as Naxx geared warrior, done all of it. Wish I had tried the Shadow Priest and the Mage, alas.
Yet I kinda enjoyed the clueless PvP and ganking during the first two years of Vanilla the most, was really the best years to enjoy the best online game ever made.
SoM get to do that again every year?
@@blacklily250 we don't support SoM round here partna'
@@zStC1 i support classic + 🥶
@@Chris_Knight7 this!
I was in Un'goro Crater with my enhancement shaman during phase 2 and was constantly destroyed by roaming packs of alliance death squads. It was really immersive and scary, but the walk back was not fun lol. I remember one time though I one-shot a skull gnome frost mage when I got a huge windfury crit. Those are the times I play enhancement shaman for.
Playing on a pve server in vanilla classic never had the issue of getting raid alive.
classic raiding definitely has a place in my heart. people were complaining about world buffs, but i knew that what makes it special. the effort and drama that comes with it.
I have such complicated feelings about WBs - steps away from the entrance was absolutely the highest heart rate I've ever had while gaming
I still remember the stress of this era. But also the pure joy of wiping out people who were on their way to raids. So much fun
This was my most hated, yet, favorite memory. The anxiety of getting into the dungeon and the creativity/planning involved made it awesome. Sure, I went through about 14 keyboards, but had an overall great time.
I look back at classic raiding, worldbuffing, mouse cat-chasing with enormous rose-tinted goggles, and I miss it deeply. However, despite of this, I do remember the headache of having to wake up, or rather stay up, until early in the morning to get Warchief's blessing and songflower, which interfered a lot with my school and daily life.
But, god, do I miss hanging out with all the boys until the sun rose just to get that buff, getting little or no sleep at all before having to go to school. Classic Vanilla sure was an experience.
Yeah, same here, if it happens again after WOTLK ends I would prolly go on a PVE server because of the time sink and how I can’t just log in at any time of the day anymore to get world buffs.
our guild usually had people setting their buffs up earlier in the day, then getting ported to right outside the raid entrance way earlier than raid time, then hanging out on alts until it was time to log over on their main for go-time
I remember having to corpse walk from thorium point to molten core as alliance on a VERY imbalanced server in horde’s favor. With rez timers, it could take around 45 minutes. I quit playing after two raid lockouts.
noob
Classic was so easy that everyone HAD to get every single World Buff before the Raid started. Wait....
It was for speed/parsing, not because it was needed to clear. And for alot of people the fun of classic was the speed/parsing part since the difficulty part wasnt really there. And if people in your raid wasnt world buffed, that ment your parse would also be worse given longer killtimes.
I definitely loved the pre-raid rituals in classic. It's not sustainable because of how much of a time sink it ends up being, but I was not tired of it.. yet 😅
I loved it to, was so much fun all the prepwork that went into it, for sure my favorite part of classic. Dont know how reexperiencing it would feel though, and for sure it was the biggest time sink ever. People with less time to play did suffer for sure.
Vanilla classic will be the best classic ever. That’s why Era is becoming more popular and popular.
Yep, we're seeing a new influx of players every day on our server (EU PvE).
I miss it like hell, and if classic is relaunched again, i would do it, just for the thrill of it.
Classic is experiencing a resurgence right now, join the whitemane cluster on classic era servers, ton of people playing right now.
Yes, Classic servers are still there on Classic Era, and lots of people are still playing if you join the right clusters.
The added benefit is that because there's no content progression, there's also no pressure to prep for new raids for weeks, and your bis is your bis, forever. Makes the game a lot more chill and accessible if like me you have less time to play than back during the first year of classic.
Played on a PVE realm at the start of Classic so I wouldn't know about any of these problems. The only issue we had was Alliance players sitting on songflowers sometimes. Moved to a PVP realm in Wrath due to higher population, but it's 99% Horde so it's essentially a PVE realm lol.
Guess some people simply enjoy being stressed out all the time...why else would you raid on a PvP server...
NGL, I enjoyed the whole thing far more than the raids themselves. I'm still mad that they added RBG's and Arenas earlier than planed. World PvP was so fun, raids on raids fights and special strategies.
I miss this so much.
The fact that you had something to lose, made it so much better
i miss classic. I hope they start introducing minor seasonal changes eventually. It would keep it fresh. Similar to the D2R patches. Small changes to a game that works.
It’s what makes classic so good even now
One thing we did on Bigglesworth is have a our second raid group go first(they raided on a different night) ahead of us and wipe people out to help prevent us from getting jumped on our way in.
For AQ40 we had a team of alt locks set up on top of the wall to the right of the portal, just above that pillar people would run out of, we'd use noggen foggers to get slow fall and mount right into the center of the portal outside of the dispel range for the most part(I used the gnomish invis device with noggen to be invis the entire time.
Before mid BWL and onward where we used the "clever use of game mechanics" to find safe summoning spots, it was actually a multi guild effort getting into MC/BWL.
Several alliance guilds on my server all organised at the flight point at Burning Steppes right after getting their Ony buff and left for the mountain at the same time.
So it was usually 100+ alliance charging in at once, usually enough to counter the slight overpopulation of horde. Good times!
We'd send a scout outside of Black Rock Mountain and then group up and use goblin sapper charges to clear enemy raids if we needed to get in
Even after classic wow 2019
We still talk about vanilla and how it still feels the best out of all of wow releases.
Of course to each their own.
I remember all my guildies complaining about it but being a druid, I could often solo my way their 30 mins before raid time and log off inside without any issues.
My guild has a bunch of chads who would sit alt warlocks full of soul shards on the roof of the BWL orb. Would just call safe times throughout the day to summon all of our raiders. Never lost world buffs that way
Rushing home from school/work, getting invited at 3 PM by the chad raid leader whom opened up for invites during the morning of raid-day, and would sit on discord all day saying when it was and wasn't safe to zone in! Those were the days.
Lol this video is actually insane because wow that team effort was priceless alone. 🤯
Me and my friend played two pvp rogues (alliance) and we camped the entrance to dire maul every day,whole day
We had an addon to screenshot when we kill someone with world buffs,by the arrival of the chrono boom we had around 800 screenshots of world buffs getting griefed by us
Horde was so angry that they raided Stormwind to kill us,but we were offline that time,when we logged on,we got like 20 whispers and mails of people telling us to stop beacuse Horde were killing every alliance player they saw cause of us lol
Even tho i'm Horde, i fucking applaud you. That's the WoW Spirit. That's the WAR in Warcraft. I for sure believe it was fun!
@@Pausenmacher it was best time we had in WoW,so many good memories and fun :D
@@darjanrendulic5192 i mean, if the Horde raids the Capital City of the alliance just because of you two, - whats a better feeling than that?:D
Wow this is insane!! I played PVE vanilla classic from launch until early Naxxramas patch and never heard of this! I love how they had to farm mats and trinkets for the PVP encounter, that's brilliant! I bet you guys were on the opposite side at times? 😂
The only reason world buffs and the cat/ mouse summoning game were viable, because it was all happening peak covid when we were all home. Chronobooms obviously made it better. The OG way was fun at the time but, looking back, never again.
In my guild we had 3 warlocks who had to go the the raid as scouts and summon our raid to the portals or orb. Sometimes we lost our world buffs, but that was better than risking the entire raid.
We organised a Horde hit squad in our guild, mostly mages to maximise destruction. Climbing up to the top of the doors leading into BRM from searing gorge where the alliance always came through, by jumping out the window near the BWL orb and following the balcony. A hunter use eagle eye to spot the ally raid's position. When they got into BRM, they were disorganised, this is when we striked, dropped down like paratroopers with slow fall and aoe spam. Usually killed 50-70% of the enemy raid (damn pally bubble healers) but the real damage was the most atrocious drama between guilds and server discord, our raid nights getting counter ganked by spies in our guild. Good times!
Wow Classic expirience was the best wow expitience ive ever had❤️
This was peak classic
VANILLA! ITS NOT A GAME, ITS A LIFESTYLE BRING US CLASSSIC AGAIN!
I remember the dispel wars in kargath... dark times
Trying to get WCB as ally on a horde dominated pvp server were some of the most thrilling times I have had in all of WoW.
ah good times. This is the reason i got bored on my 90% ally server. Sure I got to parse 99s without consequence, but i ended up raid logging all week. Instead I made another dude on Whitemane, a pure 50/50 clusterfuck server. Every week it was so fun getting 40 people buffed and into raid. ESPECIALLY on darkmoon fair week.
Phase 2 of classic wow was the most fun I ever had. The 40 v 40 battles in Tarren Mill were fantastic
With AQ, the very first hurdle was often just getting out of Cenarion Hold alive on my server back in the day! Such epic days!
i remember having to clear UBRS to the bwl portal because of world buff reasons. we had the entire raid log out at like 3 am at the UBRS portal day before raid had a group clear ubrs up to the portal then ran everyone through it. lost everyone about 7 minutes of world buffs but was much safer than trying to lottery the orb
On Grobbulus we had full scale wpvp guild vs guild battles at the mountain. Good fun!
i have a old wow account from wen the panda expantion came out can i still use that in classic wow or do i need to buy a new game ?
Its crazy its only been like 2 years since vanilla classic wrapped up. As silly as the process was, there was something so uniquely fun about the vanilla experience with world buffs and i hope blizzard brings back wbuff servers
I had a summoning lock for my raid. Loved helping everyone get to raid early and looking out for alliance trying to sneak in. So much fun I remember how much it got the blood pumping trying to protect your raid and get people there in 1 piece. Herod was a ton of fun. Man now I'm just thinking of all the things I kinda forgot about from Classic. It was my first time raiding/playing vanilla. My guild was great and guild master was the man. Was an incredible experience I got to share with my GF who was also raiding and playing. I was out of work because of the pandemic but still being paid to be unemployed so I just full time played wow. I've mained warrior in every wow expansion since original TBC so getting to play vanilla warrior was an endless source of fun.
you will never hit KSH, CE, or GM on arms fury or prot because u suck kid lmao (not as much as ur gf suck me doe!)
When the attunement for BWL dropped it took me 27 deaths and 2 1/2 hours to get inside BRD from the FP in SG! That was a rough day!!
The orb at bwl was a nightmare
That was my fav spot to blow horde up. I have a video on my youtube of killing a bunch. Check it out :) Willie check it out also. As far as i know I think its a record at 92 horde killed in seconds :)
Good guilds didnt use the orb, they went thru UBRS
Remember taking 1h just to be able to get into brd during peak raiding time
This was a really fun part of classic for me. I know it annoyed alot of people. My guild didn't use world buffs so we didn't have much to worry over besides time loss. Healing the homies as we fought our way to MC made p1 alot more interesting. It made p2 a weekly war!
back in the days in 2005 my Horde warlock did kill so many people in Black Roack Mountain. Once i got killed by a whole raid. They did show up one by one ;D Feared them in mobs in Burning Stepps. Good old times :D
Thats cute --- meanwhile as a priest i trew people into lava with mindcontrol
We ended up turning into a no WB guild at AQ40. Was more satisfying defeating it that way and a lot less time consuming. The raid may have been 20 minutes longer but saved more time overall
I remember one week my guild having to port people into the backside of the BRS portal, walk into the instance, get ported to the other side of the dungeon, and walk into the portal above the blackhand arena into BWL, just to avoid the shitload of alliance priests camping outside the orb entrance that was normally used. World buffs were definitely interesting.
I had 11 accounts open during this time. I would multi-box and clear dire maul; I had sets of 3 warlocks all over the world hidden in different places. I would summon my guild behind the portal in Dire Maul, Summon them to the hills of booty Bay, Summon them to the mountain behind a a songflower, then summon them beneath the map of Ogramar, and finally, I would call people directly to the raid we were doing. I had warlocks hidden in a wall of Upper BlackRock, Below the Nax portal, Behind the AQ 40 portal. Most of the time, it was a pretty clean entry into raids.
Us poor people thank you for your service.
Hi Will!
I hope there will always be popular Classic servers available if I ever get the itch for this kind of fun again, but I'm glad it's not in any other expansions.
I got into classic late. It was already AQ time when I got myself to lvl 60 and into even some semi decent gear. Even still I think that summoning/gathering up and getting to the raid made it more personal. You were more invested in the guild as it were. I had several clickers on my two accounts that would help with summons etc. Personally I got really bummed out by the buffs limiting play, not so much them having to be safeguarded. For reference I played on ZT a RPPVP server and boy did we have it rough on the horde side. Still loved every moment of it and tbh I'm really hoping for a classic relaunch so I can see the early phases and also just play the game again... HC is nice and all but it's still different to be able to form a guild with fresh characters and such.
Never forgot phase 2. But now that time has passed, rolling out as a raid on pvp servers with the risk of losing world buffs was peak WoW. Vanilla Classic is GOATed imo
Agreed!!!
I'm about to it 60 on my first classic char and I'm at a crossroads... I don't particularly care about raiding (don't have the time commitment,) pvp seems too daunting considering how good people are, and wpvp on my server is nonexistent. I can't really imagine just starting a new char and lvling again. HELP! What do I do now??
It's all we ever talk about when remembering the "good old days" of BRM
I leveled to 60 back in 2005 on a PVP server. Never again. As a mage, I was always a target while questing. I can't imagine doing that and trying to raid with world buffs.
Never forget the Great Blackrock War of Phase 2 Benediction
I want classic classic back.
my guild always had to go out and get world buffs together and go to the raid together then dispells started and then we had to evolve and be sneaky with the summons
the best part was being a rogue you could just stealth and run right to MC during the bullshit and get in with no problem. But the stress was still high and I do miss it but im glad its not a thing in wrath.
We always ran down the chain to get into MC, back since 2005. I still take that route to this day. I had no idea there were any other ways 😂
18 years and didn't know about that ZG entrance, until now (played Horde on Classic).
I thought this was the most unique thing that NO ONE talks about? This was one of the biggest points of conversation with anyone I played with on Classic. If you weren't leveling an alt or doing dungeons just for kicks because you know you will curbstomp them, you were acquiring world buffs and logging to save them for the raids.
There’s an easier way to jump into the uninstanced ZG by jumping up the right side of the entrance.
Not necessarily faster for alliance but it’s faster for horde if needed.
As a PvE small server Andy, i never got to enjoy any of this and i regret it so much. But i did get top 2% in Naxx on my warrior because i didnt have to worry about the cat and mouse
I didnt and still cant comprehend, that people got banned for dispelling Worldbuffs.
It wasnt Griefing. It was PVP'ing. If you dont make it with your WB's to the Raid, its your fault.
I was playing on a server with an 20-80% opposite faction split. I had to spend the entire day of my raids preparing summoning spots, because every week our old spot would get compromised and turned into a death trap. "Creative" summoning locations like the mushroom and beneath Naxx does not work whatsoever when the opposite faction outnumbers you several times over, they have 40 people camping those spots too, you need to use worse and worse locations and swap between them every week in an attempt at surviving. Then summon as quickly as possible before the dozen priests spamming mind vision with the enemy detector addon in the zone locate you. At times it was fun and exciting, but a vast majority of time it was just suffering.
My favorite naxx summoning spot was the bone spikes above the entrance to Naxxramas, if you logged on 10 summoning alts at once, summoned everyone in the raid in 2-3 minutes you would often get the raid inside Naxxramas before the enemy faction had a chance to send a group of people up there to stop you. The only risk was the last few yards of the spike before reaching the entrance, it would be within range of hunter abilities and as you jumped down you would be in range of dispels, also if you jumped wrong you would hit the ground and die. Every raid someone would mess up their invisibility potion, using it too late and getting shot by 5 hunters and dying instantly, getting dispelled, or jumping down wrong. But it was the best way we found.
This is literally all we talked about in classic
I've been playing Classic on PVE servers because I played on private PVP servers for years before Blizzard launched Classic and got tired of having to deal with dispells on raid night.
Classic was fun, but too many game mechanics made even simple tasks take forever. I like all the changes the latest expansions added.
Video starts at 2:27 if you wanna skip the typical raid shadowlegends plug.
As a dad of 15 kids working 3 jobs and nightschool... *Ahem*... I got tired of my inability to regularly play resulting in me feeling like I was always catching up and incapable of experiencing content when it was 'fresh' like the majority, so despite WotLK being my favourite expansion and having been eagerly awaiting it's re-release since before Classic launched, I gave it up.
I've recently returned to Classic Era; Firemaw Alliance. I loved my time in Classic and never experienced P6 for the above reasons. As the game is now stagnant, I hope to be able to. I am loving it. The server is very alive. I agonised over PvE vs. PvP for the points raised at the end of this video, but having always played PvP servers and the Chronoboon thing now being in-game, I decided to stick with PvP.
That you got anything done in Classic was a minor miracle.
@@cattysplat IKR? Managed to keep relatively up to speed until T6, by which point my interest in farming gold against the GDKP-tide to fund consumables for a raid that would be over and irrelevant as TBC had been announced. Sort of killed my interest. So knowing the game is going nowhere after Naxx is helpful. I'm level 26 now :)
Absolutely loved it :) PvP in BRM was so much fun.
Maybe a middle ground can be found, so that folks don’t burn out / move to PvE realms.
For example, we could make losing your buffs a little more tolerable by rebalancing / nerfing them.
I remember back on stalag when BWL dropped our guild couldn’t clear Firemaw for the life of us and he eventually broke up our guild