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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- The next isle update is bringing 4 brand new dinosaurs into the roster, each one offering unique playstyles and ways of play to the community, and so far all of them seem to live up to the expectations and high standards Afterthought is known for.
2 of them in particular are amongst the smallest members we have currently available, namely Beipi and Troodon, with the latter being so small that it could be easily mistaken by a compy, and that reminded me... Dinosaurs on the smaller side always had this strange stigma. theres a noticeable discrepancy between small tier and the rest of the roster, and that makes me wonder, why is that the case?
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honestly sometimes I just feel like being annoying whilst having a quick or non existent grow and just go crazy with it
Agreed, and I personally like the variety of options that are planned. Sometimes I just don’t wanna sit too long and just have something that takes like no time to grow
I prefer the smaller dinos. With 15 small dinos combat will be more fun. Big dinos are something else… huge time investment. Having so many small dinos will make it more difficult to grow anything big. I feel like it’s a fair loop of gameplay. Also I’d hate to be forced to pick only 1 small dino because it shares gameplay mechanics. Each one has different stats and looks unique. I like choosing something that fits my style. If anything we need larger server sizes to support all the dinos.
I think small dinosaurs will never be useless for one reason. They can be fun. Everyone has their own playstyle and sometimes you just want to run around like a little goblin instead of stomp around as a kaiju. Being super big and super slow limits what you can do in a single play session by an extreme amount. As someone who works full time I can no longer sit down and grow a rex in a single day, so I just play something that's small and grows fast.
this!!!
Ok but what if they added the iconic T. rex now would you try to grow that?
@@ghostlegacy5701 No.
They need to add more features for smaller dinos so people actually play them. Give them their own world, climbing, burrowing, and hides. Give dryo the ability to talk to other herbivore species. Allow hypsi to pick ticks off of larger herbivores. And allow them to zoom out farther than it is now. Something.
Im late on this vid, but this sounds so dope
Tbh the small dinosaurs like Hypsilophodon are good because the escaping danger with good agility feels more thrilling than just going around murdering everything on sight
and THAT'S what i've been saying since forever, to every small tier hater. Leading carnos off cliffs is so fun, plus playing hide and seek at night with extra adrenaline n thrill
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@@Fapstronaut sure lmao
@@Fapstronaut "they have a different opinion then me so they must be bad at the game"
@@Fapstronaut As if PVP in the Isle is that skill-involved. Most is just who can tailride better while spamming a single mousebutton (atleast at the moment).
And let's not forget, that your ping is actually the most important factor in this and can lose or win your some fights, just by having a worse connection and ghosting a hit.
I think it will be a lot more fun to play small dinos once the perk and elder systems get added. An elder troodon or elder herrera sounds like the perfect little menace. I think this video missed a pretty important detail. Lots of people like small dinos because they don't take long to grow at all. It's also helpful for new players to get accustomed to the game. Even if a new player dies in something like a troodon, it's not that frustrating. They weren't as invested as someone who spent 5 hours to grow a deino. Also, some people don't have the time or patience to spend growing something big. Small tier is niche but it's got a place in the game. If there were only four small dinosaurs it would just make people even less inclined to playing them. Nobody wants to play a small creature if every other player is playing a bigger creature. But if there was an entire ecosystem in the small tier then you have opportunities to have fun even in the least meta tier. Even though the isle has more small animals than PoT, I'd say that the roster is less redundant overall. The isle creatures have much more identity than PoT creatures. They feel more distinct, and they are just higher quality overall. I think rather than try to make every dinosaur meta, they should focus on making every dinosaur fun. So far, I think they are succeeding.
Much agreed I really enjoy these small world aspect. Where is it an ecosystem of tiny living organisms, and then all of the bigger dinosaurs are living in their own ecosystem completely separated by size
this is the point ive been making everywhere I can. Small tiers stop being boring and lacking in variance the second there's other small tiers to compare them to. A small tier is always squishy and fast to a mid tier. But another small tier might be faster than it or it might be able to tank that other small tier's attacks due to the stats being far more comparable.
great point.
Small tier dinos are also good introductory dinosaurs. I remember the first time I played Evrima I picked Dryo, because I felt like I already had a bit of knowledge on the game and I wanted something fast but still sizeable.
I feel like once the perk system comes in, it'll make small tier more viable. Cause we could use the small tier to really figure out, and learn the perk system before me move on to the bigger dinos that take longer to grow and change. Loosing a hypsi with 3 different perks would be alot less heart breaking than loosing a omni with 3 different perks
It would be good practice for when more Mid tiers and apexes show up.
“Once the perk system comes in” -🤡
@@mojolmao1752 If*
What perks? Like dead hard? Slippery meat?
@@temujinchannel8584 beast of prey would be decently useful
After playing the stress test today, I can confidently say (when it’s not being completely destroyed by rubberbanding, beipi is very fun, I haven’t gotten to play troodon yet but it also looks fun. Also tiny tiers are really useful when you just want to have a fun night with some friends, quick growing small little goobers that can mess with stuff
I feel like small tiers are the most fun when you are causing trouble to smaller juvies. Both sides get some adrenaline pumpin' instead of just sitting in a bush for 6h.
I feel like people wouldn’t like small dinosaurs, but I absolutely love them and plus they give more personality to the world
Small tiers cannot effectively fight anything, fighting is the only thing to do currently in the game, small tiers have nothing else to do. You'll notice that even bigger animals that are more runners than fighters are underplayed for similar reasons. If they were to add a system that improves PvE it would immediately improve herbivore and tiny gameplay, but some carni players don't like the idea of a unique system getting in the way of their deathmatch.
I think small tiers fix themselves by virtue of them having more small tiers in the game as a whole. Eventually being "small, agile, and squishy" is only going to be the case against things bigger than small tiers. Small tiers vs other small tiers would undoubtedly have more variance because those animals are closer in stats so any small difference will change how they fight each other.
Like for example Troodon Vs Herrera is likely to be a wild ride.
@@JudojugsVtuber Oh absolutely, that's a major benefit to there being more small tiers. There are also a few PvE additions planned that I expect will make them more popular, but I think the biggest contributor of them all is humans. Human buildings are difficult to get into outside of large garages for most playables, but small tiers can easily enter a human base if they want to. They're also harder to shoot, which helps.
@@pokemon05100 "small tiers can easily enter a human base if they want to. They're also harder to shoot, which helps."
-Avaliable in 2060 stress servers, my grandson will be happy
@@Gonueve hahaha get it? Isle dev slow, lol. I can't believe I never thought of that!
@@Gonueve very funny, good contribution sir
Personally, i love running around as a Velo in the original Isle, and would love to run around as a compy or one of those scavenger flyers n shit, sure i could die soooo fast, but i grow fast and its just so fun, like so much less stressful XD
Same here that is why I can't wait for to play Troodon, just a little scavenger
@@timo-2046 except on groups,which makes it a menace to even Tenontos
@@draconinja2728 yeah A hreat mix of way of play
for me the small tier is my favorite to play simply because I rarely have more than 2 or 3 hours to play at a time. So growing a large or even medium dinosaur could theoretically take over a week depending on how often I get to play which isn't very fun. So I think that small tier dinos do have an important place in the Isle ecosystem by giving casual gamers a chance to get through the entire cycle without having to devote long stretches of time to the game. However I do see the balance with medium and large dinos (and especially the juveniles of those dinos) being an issue. I think an easy fix will be to just limit which playables are available in specific servers. You could even devote a server (with a smaller map area) for just small tier dinos. But I think having a good variety of small tier dinos is a good idea to allow for more casual players to be able to experience the full life cycle.
i cant tell if beipi or troodon are good because the devs forgot to optimize the stress test to be actually playable without teleporting to mount everest every 4 seconds
(edit) jesus guys stop whinning over this please
for me the fps is good but the ping... the ping is HORRIBLE
Look up the definition of a stress test and come back here
@@guilhermegoncalves4022 yes. yes it is
@@thespinoboy5615 i can still complain about how bad the ping is mate
@@wormwoodmain8385 yeah but it's an unreasonable and pointless complaint. There's like a couple thousand people trying to cram into 500 server slots. It'd be far crazier if the servers WEREN'T shitting themselves repeatedly
I honestly like the small tier dinos. I don't see the problem with them. I think they feel varied enough.
My issues with small tiers.
1. Super squishy + lag & latency = 💀
2. Bad camera angles, especially in the jungle. Grass pov is not fun.
It’s true, the gameplay of the small tiers could actually be improved quite a bit by simply making the camera angle high enough to see over grass and foliage
Me and my buddy were brainstorming and we came up with an idea for pterodons. Giving them a use for at least some creatures so people don’t just kill them automatically for no reason all the time. Say if dinosaurs like stego get ticks and other parasites on their skin, pteras could latch onto the stego and pick/eat the parasites off the stego. This would create a symbiotic relationship, the stegos would be more inclined to protect pteras to keep parasites off them. I don’t know exactly what the parasites could do stat wise but one thing we thought of is bleed, slowly draining a dinosaurs blood. Not fast enough to be life threatening but if say a carno had parasites and then raptors attacked it, sitting down after the battle would not heal the bleed because the parasites are constantly keeping it on. Obviously I don’t know how well that would balance out so that’s all just an example but I thought this would give pteras a real reason to be around other dinosaurs.
I'm really glad I stumbled upon your channel. I enjoy heating what you have to say, whether it's something positive that's going on with the game or negative
I 100% agree with what you said about how it effects the roster. I don't think it's just small tiers either. every megatheropod they add detracts from the uniqueness and quality of every other one already there. literally just think about how many ceratopsians they're planning. it's not just a prediction, either- nobody plays hypsi because it's basically just a worse dryo, and nobody plays dryo because it's basically just a worse galli. and I know that hypsi and dryo are not feature complete, but when they are, there will be other playables that have the same features. so... this one can burrow and swim, this one can burrow and swim and climb, this one can climb and swim, this one can burrow and fly. I mean it's literally just like one or two features interchanging. having "the ability to smell good" ala monolophosaurus is another good example of how unintelligent their philosophy around making playables unique is. it's entirely pointless, especially when you consider that dondi said each playable costs about $7k to produce- you have sometimes hundreds of animations, multiple models, multiple skins, all new sounds, plus according to the devs, unique attacks and abilities for every creature. they literally pick which dinosaurs to add based on how cool they look and whether or not they like them personally, instead of how they fit together mechanically, or within an ecosystem. I can't think of another game that has a roster so redundant and excessive. this is just a shit way of designing a game's roster
I understand the issue with having so many "different dinos" that are mechanically the same, BUT I think many people first come in contact with dinosaurs as little children and almost everyone has at some point picked a "favourite" dino. I think a lot of people are happy to have the possibility to choose their favourite, even if it only varies in looks for now :-).
The small dinos are my favourite. I love beipi because its not a big deal if they die and they're very fun to mess around with other players with
I have to say, depends on what you expect from doing in the game.
If you take a hypsi, expecting to go into combat? That's gonna be a disappointment
But if you take it because you like being a dinosaur, or wanting to go for the experience, the socializing etc. Then it will probably a good pick.
The "use" of a dino always has to do with ones expectation of what they want from the game.
I think it’s going to be fun playing the small things that can do fun things like burrowing and climbing trees.
For me it all really depends in what is the Isle is gonna do with the next ones, and for sure they're pretty good or viable enough but I don't know since I still don't own the Isle.
But yes this video was really great, & I wish you have a good day
Latency makes any carnivoreherbivore interaction a crapshoot at that scale.
Great vid
I agree small critters don't give anything to the ecosystem. They give so little food and are just a waste of stamina for larger dinos. They can just run in circles in the forest and disappear into the foliage. 150 players is the max stable amount of players a server can hold. Every slot taken by a small critter is a slot lost for a player that could give something to the ecosystem.
While playing as a small dino certainly can be fun, I think there should be separate maps for small-tier dinos and larger ones. This way all players would commit to the ecosystem of their own world. small dinos could still be AI in the larger ecosystem and maybe larger dinos could also be AI in the small ecosystem. I think around the size of the Omni could be the splitting point of small and large. This could be easily made once the server owner can lock out dino species
i love the small and fast gameplay, but id love if there was at least one small tier that was more of a slow tank vs small tiers, but had some sort of mechanic that allows them to avoid having to fight a large tier they see coming, since theyre slow enough to not be able to run from any fast dinosaur. like a burrow which large dinosaurs cant get into or destroy, but a small tier could follow them into, forcing them to fight
I love the ecosystem of small dinosaurs that have to compete with each other, seeing that there are going to be a lot of small tiers. Being a weak Dino is more fun when competing with equally weak dinos 😂
I wish I could successfully grow a raptor or carno or cerato.
While smaller Dino’s are fun to just quickly pick and play, they can be very annoying to play seriously as you can be one shot by most things, combat with other small Dino’s is frustrating as you both move extremely fast and are a small target to hit, while this can be fun fighting larger targets, it can just be a waste of time when fighting smaller things as you’ll be mid fight and then someone will just disappear in ankle height grass.
I would love a slow small tier. Something that is heavily armored and can roll into a ball like a pangolin or an armadillo.
Well the thing is and what I feel to be the actual problem of small tiers! Is that your impact and what u can do is VERY limited. Cause while yes the isle is not a fighting game! It eventually dissolves into one from players getting bored and wanting to just fight whatever they can. And with small tiers u can’t really do sense fighting anything bigger than I is pointless cause u do next to no damage.. that’s also why laten is such a good small playable in path! Cause they can easily become a actual threat once 4 or more pack up!
and that's why Evrima solves this issue that's been a thing since Legacy. By adding far more small tiers you now have things for the small tiers to fight/hunt. You then have a meta below the mid tier meta made up of all the small things being at war with each other.
For me, I enjoy playing the smallest ones the most. My favorite will be Herrera. Small, very fast and it climbs trees. It's all about scavenging from the big boys and avoiding them by living as an arboreal creature.
Once they add climbing and burrowing it will add more variety and I’m sure they’ll make some small tier flyers jus like the made bepi a semi aquatic
Another problem with the small tiers Isle has that BoB and Path do not, is how they cannot mix group and thus end up socially isolated. A big appeal of small animals in path is hanging around larger ones, which legacy officials had with Dryos and Trikes.
Evrima doesn't have this and thus when the minority of people are picking between which small tier to play, the chances of finding a herd or pack become much smaller.
How does a Velo player find a pack when Troodon exists?
How does Minmi find a herd when Proto exists?
How does Mono find a pack when Rugops exists?
How does Taco find a herd when Homalo exists?
This excludes them from a large part of this games enjoyment which is forming groups and surviving opposition together.
They also can't really be given interesting growth since inherently it needs to be short, if not the animal becomes more work than it's worth. Even for the elder phase down the line, achieving elder on an animal that gets oneshot by most other animals isn't really going to be worth pursuing.
Even as quick play options, they still overlap with the more competent juveniles such as Pachy, who have the benefit of transitioning from the exhilarating prey experience to a reward of being a more self sufficient animal.
There's no arc to this for growing a small dino. You start a oneshot and end a oneshot.
Their existence comes further into question when you consider that we have larger animals that have their traits. Gallimimus completely invalidates Oviraptor. Both are omnivores but one can actually fight and live a few hits, the other is mostly harmless.
Another example being Troodons. Their gameplay requires more skill and, quite frankly, more numbers, than Omniraptor does to achieve any given result. Whereas one or two Omniraptors can consistently hunt an adult Carnotaurus in peak condition (on stress test), eight Troodons struggle to bring down a subadult Carno that's dying of hunger and was already wounded from fighting an adult Pachy. A very specific example but it's also one of the only times a decently sized Carno has died to Troodons. The Omnis don't even need to be coordinated or really good at the game to do this, whereas the Troodons packs that bring down big game need to play very well without room for a single mistake.
Small tiers can be given completely unique niches but most of the time they are instead competing with animals that do their job better.
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@@multidavid7473 go back to playing league of legends wanker
@@whywatt733Mixherding is no different from mixpacking.
@@AnAntarcticScotsman never claimed it was? It's just something that players enjoy doing with small animals, hanging out with big ones. When the game doesn't support this to some capacity, the smalls end up needing to group with other uncommon smalls. When the smalls are split among several species, the odds of finding anyone you can work together with nosedive.
@@whywatt733 Why do you think the roster for the official servers are going to cut playables?, small stuff like Velo and Homalo wouldn't be enjoyable with 50+ creatures that as you mentioned invalidate them, not so much Ovi to Galli than it is with Homalo and Dryo.
This goes with the apex and pseudo apex's that would invalidate parts of the roster as they, along with the smallest tier, will be confined to the community servers.
The problem with small dinos is that even if you design them to be viable, "Viable" =//= "Entertaining". At the end of the day a game is still a game and small dinos lack the ability to interact with the majority of the server in meaningful ways. I could make a plant playable and it'd technically be able to survive by photosynthesizing but that wouldn't be fun to play, it's an exaggeration but small dinos fall into the same pitfall. I COULD stuff myself into a burrow in a corner of the map as Dryo and survive infinitely but that's not fun from a video game perspective because I'm not participating in the game the rest of the server is playing. Even if smalls have interesting mechanics and abilities, these benefits are often outweighed by the simple stat difference between them and larger dinos.
Troodon is laughed up because it's pretty much just a worse Omni, there's no point in building up 3 stages of venom just to increase your raw damage when an Omni will be doing just as much if not more without needing to go through that gimmick first. Galli is ironically the dark horse of this update, despite being the most simple and likely least worked on, because it just has good stats. It can do interesting things and afford to mess around a bit because it doesn't evaporate the second it's touched by anything slightly bigger.
The real solution to "Small dinos" is to just raise the minimum playable size. Dinos we consider small should be Omni/Galli/Pachy, with dinos like Troodon being upsized to match those three's size range. There's genuinely no point in having another size tier below Omni, and only exposes how bloated the playable roster is.
Small tiers are good choices for players if the devs know how to function their mechanic properly and even the environment they live in,once the perk system is in they should add only 4 or 5 small tiers only,and also i would love the game if the devs make a velociraptor have a feathered variant where you can pounce on juvenile ptera or other smal pterosaurs,and give it a feature of using its feathers to cousoun its fall if its meal has fallen at great hieghts ,its not only useful for hunting but can also be useful to evade mid tiers .
Honestly, I don't care what anyone says about low-tiers, I'm just super excited to be my fave legacy dino, herrera (rugops is pretty cool too imo)
Okay, I know this is a crazy thought but like, what if I wanted to play as a Troodon not because I like the playstyle... but because I like Troodons. Yall think of this in terms of gameplay and meta too much. I like small dinos, I want more because theyre cute and cool. That's it. That's all it has to be.
Every size of dino is important for make the island alive. What is beautiful with dinosaurs its exactly the diffirence size of them you can find when you are human. I will not like the gane anymore if it was only big dino.
Sorry for my english. But dont think they are useless
Imy point of view, small tiers (the smallest ones) are more here for player to have a less complexe, demanding and engaging experience. After I lost an omni with my friends, we went for some hipsy just to enjoy running around and grabbing fruits from trees just to relaxe before going for something else. All of the player don’t aim for a quarter day long progression with a lot of risks. Some just want to enjoy little things and have fun in a more simple way.
One of my best memories from the OG isle was getting to play a Herra and breeding my friends in for the zooms. Literally hunting and running around as those things being so weak, even a small hill could break your leg haha. However a kill literally so good in game with your friends. The cheers you let out as tiny dino's is just something different compared to when a Cero fights a Carno. I feel the more balance of it makes it a fair match, but it loses that "OMFG we just did that" feeling.
I love playing my regular Dino's. I'm always a mid tier when there's a full roster. (Sucho when solo, Carno or Dilo in group) However Herra was our go to tiny fun Dinosaur and will remain that in the updated branch. I can't wait to climb and stuff.
-EDIT: I still think they should add Sucho and a big flyer to really make the water not feel like just crocs and small birds.
small-tiers are so much fun because the fear factor in my opinion. They should just give each small tier a different play style like mid tiers have.
they need progression and growing to balance the ecosystem.
In my opinion small tier is really fun to play but let's be honest nearly all of them are usless. There are too much small tiers planned i think there should be like 4-5 of them (i don't count dinos like diablo or omni to small tier). Devs should add something that really change anything in the game because let's be honest when you are not troodon (or fresh spawned juvi) dryo, hypis and beipi just can't do anything to you. Adding to much small tiers will (in my opinion) waste too much player slots and the game will be boring because there will be hard to find someone to fight. Even if you kill small tier it won't fill your stomach. But still it's fun and nesesary tier in the game. Personally my favorite is Troodon and second is herrera (mainly troodon but i belive herrera too are the only small tiers that are changing/will be changing the game balance). Nice vid as always.
Edit: Monolophosaurus could change something as well as Rugops.
I think they should add experience and tiers, the more you play with lower tiers dinos you unlock other dinos, so you could balance the number of apexes in the game. Also, maybe add a limit to amount of apexes too
The idea that all small creatures are fast and agile compared to mid tiers is a weird comparison. When you compare the apex creatures to mid tiers, all the mid tiers are agile, and faster. Within the small tier, there will be plenty of variety and play styles.
Zaguer: a dinosaur not dying from an attack from a species 15 times heavier would be vastly unrealistic
honey badger: come say that to my face
nah dude they're there to fill in roles and be fun to play with
They're useless to me because I ain't playing any of them until they add proximity fade for foliage. It hurts my eyes when the camera is constantly being slapped by grass while I run and walk. Not to mention the constant bumping into shit and falling off of shit. This goes for all land dinos actually not just small ones. Can't bring myself to play anything other than Deino and Ptera.
kinf of off topic but can anyone tell me how long does cera take to grow on a stress test?
In my opinion the small tiers will be more fun when humans are more implemented
I mostly played small tiers back in legacy solely for the fact it was more fun then just existing as a huge murder machine and do nothing but laze around and then die losing hours of progress.
Small tiers are my favorite animals in the game tbh, especially ones that can technically still be dangerous to stuff like juvie mid tiers
small dinos are simply just fun to play as when people are babys they are useless but thats when you have the most fun
I didnt watch thus video yet but as a small dino main im already nervous
I am T. rex lover. And a trike lover. They are my childhood favs but honestly after playing legacy and POT for so long I wish they weren’t playable at all. Make everyone mid to low tier. The fights are more fun. The chases are more fun. Everyone is just a boring apex half the time sitting together and doing nothing but mobbing the smaller creatures for easy kills.
I think the existing small dino roster is salvageable without removing any of them. They just need to like. Actually attempt on some of them. Dryo, Homalo, Proto, and Minmi all have burrowing. What if Homalo couldn't burrow, but can walk up extremely steep inclines and jump very well? Make it into a little mountain goat. Let Minmi burrow both on land and in water (and connect those burrows to each other), giving it the unique ability to enter the water without making any disturbance. Proto I think might be unique enough already, but the concept art kind of does a lousy job of showing off what it actually does, so I'm not 100% sure.
Herrera I think they could genuinely make work if they just upscale it a bit from Legacy. Herrera in reality is larger than Omniraptor, you don't have to make it that large, but if Herrera was able to 1v1 a lone Omni, now you're opening it up to being threatening to mid-tiers as well, which helps separate it from being just a direct Hypsi upgrade, as it's not really interacting with the same species.
Also give Oviraptor mimic since Troodon doesn't need it and Oviraptor otherwise is just worse Galli.
Small tiers in my eyes only serve as food and honestly most will probably be abandoned by the players and replaced by AI, Lets just face it, most people dont want to play something that can just be one tapped by literally anything even Juvies or serve no other purpose then to run because it cant even defend itself, at least with something like Kentro, Rugops, Monolph, Herrera, Megalania all those small/medium classes can defend themselves, fight/hunt and maybe survive afterwards while also having a clever advantage of being a real threat to Humans in the future, because lets not forget they're still planned, and with something like a Herrera or Monolph you could easily infiltrate a human base and cause some serious harm.
While such things as Dyro, Hypsi, Troodon, Avaceratops, or any small tiers around those sizes wont stand a chance against the many threats to come and will only serve as classes you play when you don't got time in investing in anything else (but even those I named previously probably wont take to long to grow either anyways) or to just troll around with your friends but like I said before, serve no real other purpose but to be food for medium tier classes.
And before anyone says, ''Oh well, Troodons can be a threat to humans as well'' humans can kick Juvi dinosaurs to death, Troodon is literally the size of a Carno Juvi lol.
There has to be a food chain in a survival game about animals of course, but looking at it from a gameplay point of view I can't see the appeal of playing overly small tier classes, but what ever floats the boats of others I suppose.
A pack of smart troodon can take down a steggo. Been in a group that pulled it off.
I would like this game way more if the grow times were quicker, because all I really want to do is get in good fights. So I’m pro more small tiers.
Could someone potentially tell me, how many concept arts of playable dinos have currently been made, thanks.
Around 30
Another reason some people dislike small tiers is due to the fast growth speed (or instant in Hypsi's case), the small hitbox, and the good agility, they are ideal for tools, and since they do not provide much food, hunting them can be frustrating. The small-tier players also do not value their creatures at the same level as mid and apex, again because of the low growth time (I am looking at you Hypsi) making them more cocky and annoying as they will often attack larger creatures without fear.
I honestly don't care about smalls being useless and I personally don't think people should. Even if they share niches idc. What DOES matter, is the devs focusing on adding these dinos over others like Kentro, Magy, or other animals that size
I think if the devs gear small tier carnivores to compete with humans for space it would make small tiers very fun. The best places to nest in Legacy for small tiers is port and i think having the small tiers and humans directly compete over these human structures for bases would make the small tier carnivores much more viable in a different way.
Niches and niche partitioning
It’s because they simply lack damage, ptera is an exception because it flies. I bet when they add apexes playing baby raptor is gunna feel like ur a compy.
I like path just the growth
I really hope they scrap a few small dinos, also, since they're doing megalania, why not make a few small dinos, small mammals?
Yes and yes. Even troodon is so freaky awesome amazing model sounds but can barely see him seems like a waste please devs if your read this even keep his same stats I don't care just make him the size of a dryo even a bit smaller let me actually see that beautiful model!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉
TBH, i only play small tiers on rare occasions cause the playstyle just feels boring. I can understand having little means to fight back, and relying on "Running and Hiding" to be fun. That's why horror games are a joy, but its too easy to run and hide on the isle. It feels like i have to go out of my way to give carnivores a chance to catch me, and that is just no fun. I'd rather play a mid-tier dino like a Tenos and carnos, or a fast/deadly small-tiers like a raptor or galli than any of the other tiny dinosaur.
small tier just ends up dying if met against higher tier..
the pounce should have rebound to get out of danger zone...
and small tier can use pounce against higher teirs..
honestly I wish the Isle had a final growth stage past an adult that was extremely slow to get to... like several hours alone at the quickest to reach so that the diet system can really feel valuable, as well as allow dinos to have their own apex/alpha tier.. instead of just everyone maxing out in just a few hours.. to me the isles full grown dinos just genuinely arent an interesting game loop.. the game has no real objective to it.. its just a dino sim.. and the survival aspect is only truly based on time & how safely you play
I want isle just for the isle
Small teir dinosaurs sreve thier irl role, they exist for bigger things to eat
yayayay
Get 10 good Compy players together. Gonna see some "Hold my beer" monents.
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I don’t like large animal/carnivore biases in games and media, more prevalently in isle legacy and modding in PoT
Below a certain size I basically consider playables to be dead player slots. They can't interact with the upper sizes in the roster at all, and are barely played by almost all players.
Dryo and beip are ok, but going down to hypsi and troodon just seems too far.
Heck no. I think small teirs are just perfect for those who just want to crack a cold one with the boys and **** around a little bit for a couple hours XD
Yes
Herreasaurus still gonna be goated 🐐
Not necessarily useless, but lot of fun for sure. Yk with carnivores it doesn’t matter if your something as small as Troodon, people play them because you get to experience the thrill of the hunt: Theres a hunt going on, and you’re the hunter. As small herbivores like Hypsilophodon and Dryosaurus, both have 1 thing in common: The thrill of trolling and escaping predators.
Small herbivores don’t really share the defense mechanisms dinosaurs like Tenontosaurus have, instead they rely on the excitement of dodging attacks, juking, running away into the forest to hide, getting up on a big rock to escape a Carnotaurus, then spitting in it’s face as a Hypsi.....how fun is that exactly? That depends on everyones preferences, but useless? Not really.
As for me personally, i enjoy the experience becoming the prey of carnivores and escaping them. Primarily with Hypsi, i don’t understand how people can play Dryo....it’s not able to spit on your face. Instead it relies on 2 dodges to escape predators....which, when the dodge finally reloads, you’re most probably dead already.
Small dinosaurs should have their own gameplay,not the same like trike or allo to just roam around and feed but have big engaging gameplay beucos as hypsi you wont have legendary battle with t rex.
yes
i think people are also discriminatory towards smaller animals because they like dinosaurs simply because they are big
I somewhat disagree.
ofcourse when comparing any one small tier dinosaur to the larger tiers, they all behave the same way, by using their mobility to escape.
The main point that I think you are missing tho is, that there will be distinct combat amongst the small tier dinosaurs themselves, e.g. when protoceratops is in its den, it must fear a small carnivore being able to get into that den, where a battle will take place just as engaging as a larger tier battle you were describing. same goes for herrera and hypsi, which will battle in trees/on cliffs, pteras will also have to be watchful, you get the idea i hope. sort of a whole "seperate" combatativr ecosystem, which has to choose flight when coming up against the larger tiers.
as for unique niches for subadult dino stages, im all for that!
I have liked beipi
they're useless if you're into pvp, but if you just wanna chill and explore the map or more of a emerssive playstyle, they're not that bad.
I just like playing as a small dinosaur since bigger ones just feel boring honestly. But when there is nothing else to do players are just going to start killing, and when someone spends enough time with a mechanic they will learn how to abuse it. So small dino players if not balanced could just live forever and get bored... Which we've seen with them making small dinos easier to catch.
Honestly I think smaller dinosaurs are more fun to play
Honestly I think smaller dinosaurs in path are more fun to play.
@@No_name8374 smaller dinos in general are fun to play XD
idk with pot all the small dinos they have look the same and all play the same from what ive seen, at least with the isle all the small playables are fun and semi-unique, i see people playing them all the time in official servers, especially troodon now, they are menaces in large groups and super fun to play, hell a coordinated group can destroy a full grown stego semi-easily if they take the time to do it as stego isnt well suited to deal with large numbers of small, incredibly fast, venom charged goblins lmao.
zaquer i want to tell you something the reason the small teir exists is because the food web no small dinos no big dinos
They can add as many perks and abilities but small dinos in the isle will always be worthless. Aside from being throw away dinos. Just read the comments and that should show you all you need to know.
Imo there shouldn't be to many small tier anything smaller than utah is uninteresting to me I have nothing against small tier but i would rather have less more unique dinos instead of 15 of basically the same thing
They're only useless if they aren't fun. Dryo and hypsi imo are both EXTREMELY boring. However ptera beipi and troodon are both effective unique small playables that have fun or different playstyles
i dont understand what is so bad about playing as a smaller tier dino. People always say "oh, they are weak and get one shot by everything" but they fail to see the point, small dinos are meant to be social. They arent meant to be alone in the field, they are meant to be in large packs that larger dinos just couldnt sustain, especially now that Evrima enforces actual group sizes depending on species. Take your example of Megalania and Hypsi. Firstly, hypsi was never meant to climb trees, that was a bug they fleshed out later, and nobody likes mechanics being taken away from them while they are playing the same dino, so i dont agree with that example specifically. Now, if a smaller dino is meant to be a combat dino to contest with larger creatures, Troodon is a perfect example of that. It uses Venom to kill, not biting or scratching. How do you make sure you can actually stand a chance though? you join a larger social group. Thats the point of playing a small dino. "i wanna play a large creature but the group limits wont allow that" yea, thats because having 15 carnos running around is busted as shit, thats why they made carnos cannibals and limited the pack sizes. You wanna play with a large group of friends? alright, larger herbivores are allowed, and so are all of the small tier dinos, make your pick. Im so sick of the idea people have that every game needs to cater to every person possible, when all that does is remove the uniqueness of what the game provides. Social creatures are small, independent creatures tend to be larger.
Yes. The Isle went from sneaky scary Rex and Dilos pvp to Evrima 6.5 "Aw thats so cute"
Rex and dilo will be in the game eventually. I don't see how also having smaller tiers is a problem. Not everyone wants a similar experience. I'd also argue that fights between smaller animals can also be exciting and fun. I do respect your opinion though.
@@kartiokotilotuutle9321 Everyone in the comments keep saying Small dinos are not a problem.. Noone said they are a problem, question was "Are they useless?" And i believe yes but not useless for the Player but for the Game it self. Now they obviously are not so much cos majority of dinos are small - medium , but later when bigger dinos come to game that will change, unless they somehow bring a new balance of perks or idk what else. I totaly get it some people have more fun and love smaller dinos, but majority of players will allways prefer the harder to grind / bigger / stronger dino just so they feel they dominate. Its a pvp game afterall thats its purpose. In the end of the day most credits go to the ones who killed the most - not to the ones escaped the most. But having fun is something subjective and everyone can and will do what they love and have tons of fun. Sometimes even the best Trex pvp player needs a break and chill with a Galli / Beipi and just mess around
@@Fapstronaut I'd argue that the Isle is more of a survival game than a pvp game, but I guess most people get more enjoyment from the combat aspect of it, since there isn't much to do besides that at the moment. I can understand that, because running around does get boring after a while.
However, I think that adding more small tier animals actually enhances their combat. A fight between a dryo and a few troodons might be just as entertaining as a fight between a carnotaurus and a ceratosaurus. Also, troodons can fight things bigger than them, so I wouldn't say they are useless.
As for what small playables bring to the game? In my opinion, they make it more immersive. It's so fun seeing pteranodons flying in the sky or beipis jumping in the river and knowing that it's another player. I don't think that the game would feel so alive with only big dinosaurs running around and fighting. It needs an ecosystem.
Most people will always prefer bigger animals, as you said, but right now I'm seeing a lot of people excited about the beipiaosaurus, and I hope people will play it. That would create a much more balanced environment than if everyone's a carnotaurus or a ceratosaurus.
I think you make many good, respectable points, however and I can see where you come from. At the end of the day it's all about the preferred playstyle, and I'm glad the game offers many different options.
They are funny