Death Wobble? 2011-2022 Ford 6.7 Superduty | Have you guys done the TRIPLE THREAT repair yet?
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- GOT DEATH WOBBLE???????? Wondering what the looseness is in your front end??? Powerstroke gang............WHAT UPPPPPPPP. This one is ANOTHER popular one that WE do allll the time. So many trucks come in with worn out tires and front end linkage because for 1, they do not come with zerk fittings.....why not??? SMH &.......2 no ones checks they're rods. Stay TUNED BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA SHOW YOU HOW TO CHECK YOUR FRONT END OUT IN AN UPCOMING VIDEO!!!! Tell me what you all think in the comment section. Remember to LIKE - COMMENT - SUB - SHARE
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Arod, you should save that drag link and use it as a septer, everyone knows a king needs a septer to rule !! You are after all the King of all things powerstroke!!! I think I misspelled septer, 😂 but you get the idea ! Great video
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I believe I have figured out the true cause of death wobble... and worn steering components are only a precursor to the true cause...
And the true cause of the intensified oscillation "death wobble" is caused by advanced traction control/tailer anti-sway control systems...
I am a mechanic.. I own a 2011 F-too shifty .. I have proved to my theory to myself..
I would like some fe
edback from you A Rod.. ,,👤🙉🙈🙊
@codyhenry3926 i dunno about that Tim......
@@codyhenry3926 So all the Jeeps that have none of that don’t experience death wobble ? Or how about the earlier Fords that don’t have said systems, are they not experiencing death wobble as well ? Come on man, think !
My new-to-me 2018 Platinum had the beginnings of DW shortly after I started driving it to get familiarized. Had the tires balanced and road force balanced, making a marked difference. The steering was shaky while towing our travel trailer, so much that I pulled the trigger on a new track bar and drag link. The final piece was a dual stabilizer kit from Keldermann, with Fox 2.0 shocks. Now steering is rock solid and I am very comfortable pulling the trailer. I recently replaced all four shocks, OEMs had 45K miles on them, with Bilstein 5100s. Now the truck feels brand new and very pleasing to drive. Thanks for all you do for the PSD community.
That guy sure is lucky that you're on the job. You pay attention to every detail as if this was your truck. Man i love your work ethic and pride you take in doing a job. Keep the videos coming my man
🙏pppppreciate chu
My new 2016 F350 CCLB came with death wobble from the factory. . Dealt with it for ab 12k. . Then went to PMF Suspension. . Ordered up the caster shims, new track bar ball joint, adjustable track bar (truck now has a level kit.) And dual steering stabilizer kit. Well worth it. Eliminated any and all DW in my truck. PMF saved my truck. Look into them!!
Replacing all the front end parts is a must after 10s of thousands of miles with the DW, but it's not the cure. Personally, I'm convinced, the caster from the factory on these trucks is not enough.
Like you, I'm particular in making sure my repairs are the best they can be. Having said that, centering the steering wheel after this repair drove me crazy! The steering feel on my 19 is what I would describe as rubbery so it was difficult to get an accurate center. Made me feel better seeing you chase it a bit as well. Keep on trucking brother!
I personally have never done this myself but I did have an issue with the death wobble it felt like the whole front end was coming apart. Very informative thank you.
Doing this job on a 19 f250 and my track bar has the ball joint installed already. Hell yeah!! Great video dawg
I like your work ethic and professionalism!! My local Ford dealership has a lot to learn. Most of the technicians that have worked on my truck (2012 F350) have done subpar work. Wiring harness repairs look like a 5th grade science project (way to much electrical tape.
Yepp c it alllll the time
Great video.
Yes, I have done a number of them. I work on a fleet of F550’s.
Usually the right outer tie rod end and the right outer drag link ends are what I find worn.
Yes sir
Probably one of your top 10 best videos!
Cmon
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Yeppers!!
One HUGE PIA to get that wheel on the money straight. Tweaking it makes a quick difference. However road crown worn tires tires and drive wheel under trailer torque vs cruise all comes into play. Good Video! I only had to replace the shock and do the Ford TSB reduce caster update.
What an amazing young man....Knowledgeable and insight...
Great job in your Knowledge and your explanation....Thank you....
Thanks VogelDesigns, have a great Monday
As usually you did amazing and clean job.
Attention to detail my friend don't see to many people still do that great video as always learned so much about my truck from you hope you got a big raise this year
💯 everytime!
I replaced darn near everything under there (Track bar; Drag Link; both Tie rods and drag link ends) with MOOG parts. Had my wobble at 50k mi. Did this in 2020 and have yet to have an issue again but keeping my fingers crossed of course. Wish this video was around then lol...Keep it going i am hooked...
Thanks pal
Yep. Usually, it's after the steering damper had been replaced by others a couple of times. That is a plus on this type of steering linkage setup, no alignment is needed to level the steering wheel (clear vision) for this repair! I usually take my tools with me on the test drive so I can make the final steering wheel adjustments. Helps that I don't work in the shady part of town.
@@coltlewis5871 Exactly! There is a reason Why the steering damper leaked out. Especially if it has been replaced multiple times, need to go deeper to find the cause. You can usually tell if the damper has been replaced if it is cleaner than the rest of the steering components (indicating new) or if it is a different brand altogether. Thanks for the good points!
Bout to do this for the third time on my ol 2012 beast. Nice video!
Wow u make it look so easy great video ARod thanks
I love that bumper! My 2019 16k miles has a bit of play in the drag link at the pitman arm but the dealership just changed the steering stabilizer and it "fixed" the wobble for now lol
I think that bumper really classifies as a "roo bar".... The trucks in Australia have them to knock away the kangaroos that cross the road when they are driving at night. If you are interested look up the road trains they have there and how they work together to drive cross country. Amazing stuff!
Yes I replaced those exact same parts on my 2012 f350 about a month ago. Reduced the wobble but did not eliminate it. It seems to wobble in the afternoon once it warms up.
I’ve installed over a dozen Baja Custom trac bars for the extremely dangerous ford SD death wobble! Fixed ever single one of them! Including mine!
Had a 19 the other day with 16k miles complaining of death wobble. Sure enough I duplicated concern. Did the damper per the program and it fixed it. Crazy how these parts wear out so prematurely.
I had to replace the trac arm and drag link in my 2022 f-350 and it definitely helped
Good job. Been there on an old F350 1989 before, parts were hard to find for it too.
Haha, I just did mine. 2016 F250 with 45,600 miles, started the wobble not long after your video on it. Did the drag link but found it was feeling like it still wanted to wobble but would not. Changed out the damper to a new Bilstein, now much better. Tie rod ends between the spindles looked good so did not change.
My track bar ball joint had sloppy movement when taken off. Actually rattled in its place. Check that. Did the bushing too. No issues.
@@Bighead-ri9kd Thanks Bighead, I'll check that when it warms up a bit. We were in the teens for temp when I did the change out.
Excellent video Arod!!! Top tier! My ‘19 250 experienced death wobble w only 11,000 miles on it. The dealer replaced the pittman arm, drag link, and outer right tie rod. I then replace the steering damper w a Bilstein one. The steering damper has a tapered bolt on one end that I had to beat the hell out of it to get it to come loose. I used a pickle fork to get it but man that was hard to get out! So far so good but still worry that the DW may creep back. Been waiting on this video 👍🏼👍🏼
Max camber is the secret, 3%.
Caster I mean.
Thanks man that was helpful I appreciate it . 🇺🇸👍🏻
I really like the time you took to get that steering wheel dead-on. Nothing I hate worse than a steering wheel tracking even a degree off center.
Riggggggght
Good information!
I take my tools on the road test and pull over and make the adjustments to straighten the wheel. Saves a lot of time . If you steer the wheel all the way to the right after you stop you can adjust it without laying on the ground. Time is money in the flat rate world
Yes sir it is!
You bet it is, in our part of Canada the Ford tech's get no diag time and only get paid for work billed out. There is a slight wee bit of tech turnover.
That’s exactly how you do it. Do it as many times as it takes. Sometimes we get lucky (Good)
Haven't had to do anything yet to my '17 F350 CC LB at 46k miles. I have noticed some "play" or my OCD of the steering wheel response. Plan to use a helper to work the wheel, while I observe steering linkage and such. On my fomer '06 F350, I did a complete overhaul of all steering linkage, balljoints, and drive axle u-joints. Quite the job for the driveway, however, steering was like new again at close to 200k miles (had trackbar bushing & balljoint - but never did the update).
As a song might say "Nice Nice Baby"😄...another job WELL DONE!!👌👊👏👏
A very nice
Dude 😂🤦♂️
Now it’s in my head. Thanks a bunch 🤣
@@vais3 any way to help a buddy out👍🤪
@@zekester1 much appreciated buddy 🤣
My like marked 1k. ❤ your channel buddy.
Thanks Robert
Had to replace my steering damper due to rock damage. And when I install the leveling kit and drop track bracket I had to re- center the steering wheel. And that little bugger is sensitive. It took me 4 or 5 times to get the wheel where I like it.
I'm doing the track bar, drag link and damper this weekend. Just had bad wobble the other day on my 2017 f250 4x4 with the 6.2. It has 124000 miles on it
I have the same truck, 73000, im just feeling some minor wobbling in it, sicks im about to buy a travel trailer
That’s exactly how I do it👍 but for me it’s usually a bent track bar so replace that and I’m good.
Wow, who did that undercoat? Looks costly. And nice.
This will be one of your most watched videos! I am curious if you know if they changed the caster in the 20 and up models. My 21 drives so much better than my 19 did.
Gosh I hope so, I am not sure bout that D.
My 19 f350 cclb had a shake in the steering wheel from 8 miles up to 20k at my first oil change ford put on the heavy duty steering stabilizer it helped a little at 20k from my pitman arm over to the tie rod was shot ford warranty it now I have duel steering stabilizer 42k an not a problem yet!
Trac bar ball joint and bushing are the number one culprit for sure! I’ve also seen a very flexible trac bar as well. You could easily flex it by pushing up on it by hand. 🥴
C u friday!😉
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod looking forward to it!
And now you just reminded me to double check my drive ahead wheel position. Think I’m off just to the right a smidge.
Maybe after I get my funnel to fill my transmission. Haha.
I had DW beginning in. 17 250 gas with 77k miles. Changed out the track bar ball joint and bushing. Problem solved. I’ll replace the steering damper next. Sometimes it’s not a major fix.
Awesome work A. Thanks again for your help. BTW. A friend of mine was able to get the secondary fuel filter out of the cup. I’m going to shave the cup a little to allow for a little looser fit. But great job on this video. What are your thoughts about aftermarket trac bars to fix death wobble if the ball joint is bad?
Not sure if an aftermarket is gonna be your goto
Getting my new F350 when Ford gets around to building it, do you recommend getting it undercoated, and what to stay away from. Good video as usual!
I wld, check out the video, the comments a few of us went over all over that. Congrats btw
Nice video, are you gonna clean the steering wheel and shifter after you finish. I’m a diesel tech by trade, but been in management for years, don’t turn wrenches as much. But I took my 350 in for sloppy steering, after the tech brought me back my truck, the beige steering wheel cover was black.
I wish you were my mechanic❤
Awesome
After market bushings that add more than stock camber will help emencely. The truth is you can’t replace all those parts without putting it on the rack and do a proper alignment. That said, I have done just what you did on my own vehicles and things were just fine. The thing about the wheel being off center is when the wheel is off to the left, adjust both sides to the left the same amount. Same thing for right, just make small changes and do them the same and you will be close. If you change only one side to make the adjustment your toe will be off. Tire wear will result. This is not for the untrained individual but if you understand the geometry that’s involved it’s definitely doable. Good luck.
After two wobbles on my 2019 F350 at 22K and much research I did what this video describes plus I changed the bushings (camber adjustment to 5-6 degrees) plus added a Bilstein steering dampener. Haven’t had a problem since.
I replaced the steering stabilizer with a Bilstein 5100, have not had another issue in a year.
Just started this video, but already know it will be a great one... Thanks for all the videos such a great help... I do have one quesion if possile for you to help with... Where can I find the torque specs for my 2011 F450... I'm trying to do all the work I can to save some of the expense but one thing that I spend a lot of time tracking down are the correct torque specs... Is there a site where a 6.7 Power Stroke owner can go to get these very crutial numbers... Thanks again for the content, very appreciated...
Yes sir....Motorcraft dot com
Jeep have dealing with this for years….find a good alignment shop and bump up your + caster alignment done and done
Just bought a 13’ with 157k on it. Spent a ton of money wanting a turn key truck as the guy claimed it had no issues not even 5 miles on the highway and I had horrible death wobble hopefully I get it sorted out without too much expensive repair
Watch our front end inspection video & find whats loose!
Looks like he needs a track bar drop bracket with that leveling kit...probably help with the wobble.
Nopeee
Seems a little pre-mature to have to change those steering parts. That is one sharp looking truck. You would think that Ford would have grease fittings on the Super Duties.
Buddy our roads suck.......
My 08 super duty has death wobble, needs a new drag link because the ball joint is blown out.
It's better to measure the overall length of the old drag link, either center to center on the studs or grease nipples. The threaded ends are rarely machined the same even on OE parts.
Went to replace my drag link today. I couldn’t get the damn end out of the pitman arm. Tried a puller (stripped the threads) and a pickle fork. Suggestions?
Still need to check toe-in. It should be zero to just slightly toed inward. That needs to be done first. Then straighten the wheel which requires equal adjustments on both sides so the toe-in doesn't change. One of the biggest triggers of death wobble is improper toe-in adjustment.
Going throthe DW thing with my 2016 Super Duty now.
Just changed the Stabilizer with a new Billstene had tires rotated and balanced and Nothing seemed to help. Guy told me I have a very slight amount of slack in Right Ball Joint. That's next
I’ve just replaced the lower tie rod ends, the drag link and upper tie rod, the track bar and track bar ball joint on my 2011 f250. The steering is much tighter now and was much less prone to wobble but I still got death wobble after hitting a bump in the road while test driving after the repair. It’s getting an alignment tomorrow. Could it have been caused by being out of alignment? Or is there something else I need to look into. It has a 2” leveling kit but I’ve been told I won’t need caster shims for a 2” level. Will putting a dual steering stabilizer help. Any help is very appreciated I’m at the end of my wits with this BS.
I thought it had to be the exact same measurement on both sides of the adjusting adjusting sleeve, because you dont turn the the tie rod or the drag link, only the sleeve turns while holding both pieces and then get it to the exact same length of the old one.
Ford needs to upgrade some front suspension parts, death wobble can be cured.. Step up ford..
The first mistake... using OEM parts. The OEM parts only lasted 46k miles on that truck. That is absolutely piss poor. I had the same issues on my 2018 with the front end needing to be redone at 48k miles. I replaced the draglink/trackbar and all the rod ends with PMF HD pieces. Pricey, but extremely well made. I also did a One Up Offroad dual steering stabilizer setup and a Fox OEM replacement. Front end has been tight for the last 70k miles and tracks straight as an arrow through the roughest of roads.
🤷♂️ I think it’s a crap shoot. Mine lasted til 148k before any wobble whatsoever. It’s had extra weight of a ranch hand since 1500 miles used to tow multiple times a week and driven thru cattle pastures daily. By no means a highway queen.
Nice video I spend hours tweaking steering wheels after these repairs I see I’m not alone. Your shop is nice if I send you a video my of dealership you would puke
Thanks, ooooooof really
You da man
What are the best suspension parts for 2015 f 250
Aaron, can the drag link also be replaced with the truck on the ground? Wasn't sure if that far ball joint near the tire coming off with weight would make things tricky on reassembly.
Yes it can
I see there is going to be a recall about this. Earlier Ford sent me a notice that they were extending the warranty time if needed to resolve the problem.
It's not a recall man. It's just extended coverage IF You have an issue with just that part
MM? Where’d you get your measuring stick? Canada? Haha
What components are bent that causes the steering wheel to be bent to begin with?
I’m surprised that you use the metric system and measuring in mm. Much easier in my opinion.
Would you mind listing the needed part numbers and the torque values of the fasteners. Good video
I believe i showed u the part numbers.
Does the adjustment sleeve need to be replaced? Or is it ok to reuse? Obviously I’ll replaced if needed. I’m wanting to do this to my truck as well. Great video sir.
Replace it, trust me u don't want the headache when setting the wheel, trust me!
Ah great point sir and agreed, thanks for the quick reply.
Had the death wobble on my 08 f350. The track bar was shot. New track bar fixed it. Now it's back so since I can move the drag link pretty easily I'm guessing that's now the issue. 182k 9n the odometer it just makes since the front end is tired.
Yuppp
What’s your experience with caster and caster shims? Should I go for 1degree or 2degrees on a stock 4x4? Any downside besides the feel heavy at slow speeds? Thank you!!
I've always corrected these issues with replacing all of the blown out parts.
I had my entire front end replaced through my warranty. It didn’t cost me anything. My truck had 500 miles on it when I bought it and it had a knock in the front end. So they replaced it all under my warranty and didn’t charge me the 100 deductible
I have yet to experience the wobble in my ‘18 but my dad got it in his ‘19 and took it to the dealer and they only replaced the shock coil. No other suspension or steering components. Have you heard of a dealer doing only this for the recall? Everything I’ve seen the fix is within the bars and steering components like you swapped
Yes it's extended coverage
Seems like quite low mileage on those parts to be requiring replacement esp on a 350.
My work 2019 F250 4x4 has only 9000 miles and it went from one death rattle a few weeks ago to four times yesterday. The truck has been driven only highway. The only offroad would be a gravel lot :(
we have a 2012 fire truck with less than 4k miles that has had it from day one.
I have this exact same truck except it’s a single cab. It has a 450lb counter weight under the front bumper and a Minute Man XD slide in unit in the bed. When it does it, it is very severe and no matter how many times I take it to the Ford Dealership, it stops for a couple months then starts back up.. there has to be a modification that can be made that stops this problem for either the life of the truck or at least 50-75k miles.. watching videos of the actual wobble occurring on other videos, the wobble is most pronounced in the hub assembly itself. However if you watch the connecting arm that mounts to the axle, it’s wobbles subtly back and fourth. There needs to be a way to support the front of that near where it mounts to the axle that allows it to go up and down with bumps but won’t allow it to move side to side at all. I have a hunch that would do it but I’ve not seen anyone else take this approach. All the videos I’ve seen on TH-cam do the same thing, they change the loose components on the front and and temporarily solve the issue.
Thats it, the loose components
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod you don’t think there is a deeper root cause?
No....my 2020 with 40k on it does not do it. You must REPLACE ALL worn out components. Think if it like ur spinning in a comuputer chair. You keep ur arms & limbs close u spin fine. As soon as u stick an arm or leg out you start wobbling. Same principle. U have a loose track bar or bushing or tb ball joint.....that axle is & will move side to side giving you that problem. Anything loose connected to the steering broski. With ur counter weight, i mean it might be a lil more amplified
It always goes to the same Ford dealer who has great reviews and my company pays for the services it needs so Ive told them every time that if it needs fixed, fix it.. When I got the truck it had 120k miles and the first time I ever experienced the death wobble was around 160, it’s got 215 now. I do put a lot of miles on it but four months ago when I picked it up they completely repaired the front end and aligned it. I never had the problem til I had it and now it won’t go away.
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I’m about to drop it off for the third time so I should wait til I at least see what they say this time. I know it’ll be loose components but maybe they’ll find something else that helps explain it
After track bar and ball joint replacement i feel my steering wheel is more off than it was. I know the drag link has the adjustment which i didn't touch. Assuming the tighter parts pulled it more true to how off it was?
Drag link is for that final adjustment
Yeah, my outer tie rods are shot at 85k. Not sure how the previous owner drove this thing. My 2006 was still solid at 279k.
What's your opinion on ball joint eliminators at the knuckles, upper and lower, for a daily driver that sees alot of gravel roads and some minor to average potholes?
Never heard of them
Does anyone make good rubber dust boot replacements for the steering components, my 2006 f250 only has 24,000 miles on it and the steering components are in great shape but the boots are starting to crack, great video 👍😁
Good ?
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod looking for good quality aftermarket dust boots, I don’t want to replace all the steering components since there good, just the boots
At around 14:30 you referred to "play in the gear" on the steering wheel, when trying to decide if you wanted to adjust it again. Out of curiosity, can you elaborate on that "play" you mentioned?
Play because its wore out...
What does Ford cover on the front end of their extending warranty coverage, my 2017 is now out of warranty, is it just the shock.
.....probably not
I have 2022 f350 with a weird binding popping noise when going from reverse to drive. I can’t tell if it is suspension. It feels like the front but I can’t tell. Only reverse to drive and usually not after driving it for a while. If I go slow no pop give gas after drive pop Any idea
Maybe an improperly torqued motor mount or transmission mount
You may possibly need a new axle or axle overhaul. Take it to the dealership and have them drain the diff. Has been a common thing with the late Dana M275 and M300 axles.
Could also be a number of loose items
Sorry if that’s nothing but negativity but please take the truck to a good dealership and have everything documented as you just explained.
@@vais3 What is failing in the differentials?
@@LehewTech I’m not sure if it’s a failure or just assembly goof ups at Dana. Can’t say with certainty. I do know more than a handful have had this issue. If you follow Ford Boss Me on here, you will see a video chain he posted earlier this year with a similar situation.
My recommendation based on that and a few other folks in the industry would be to take it to the dealership and have them go through a very thorough diag. Hopefully I’m dead wrong and it’s something really dumb that takes little time to correct.
Like others I had the beginnings of a death wobble right from new on my 2017 F250. Finally got the full fledged death wobble at around 20000 miles. Dealer wouldn't do anything, and new Ford stabilizers were on back order so I put a NAPA stabilizer in which worked OK but I could still kind of feel the beginnings again. Finally Ford came out with an improved stabilizer (I believe) and I put that on at around 25000 miles and haven't had a problem since, although my truck is still low mileage with maybe 35000 on it now. Pissed off that Ford wouldn't cover any warranty on it.
Hey Arod I’ve got a 2015 Sd drw . Noticing more wear on my right side tire and the steering wheel is going right too could it be the drag link everything else seems to be okay . Let me know please Thanks Bish
It could be I suggest you watch our front end inspection video proba ly find it
What size of Tires are on that truck.
how do all those parts wear out in 46000 miles?
I have a 2022 F350. I don’t have a DW but my right front tire has cupping. Would the drag link be the cause?
Ehhhh provably not
40K on a 2011 has a massive death wobble only turning left between 50 and 65 miles an hour. Happy to know all the steering linkage and drag link needs to be replaced all slightly loose pavement pounder.
Hey not to hijack the subject of the video but what kind of undercoating did you use? You mentioned that this truck is coated and yours is as well. Thanks.
Ares both have Ziebart
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod copy that. I’m on the fence as to weather the Ziebart method or like fluid film oil type coating is better. I’m ordering a new truck so it will be done directly after delivery. What are your thoughts?
Z! Ftw.. You can email me and we can talk further
What about hubs and wheel bearings and caster? You got a video? Do i need tools to do this job special tools?
Yes. I show you in our front end video playlists
Can you move to Minneapolis and work at Boyer ford please!!!! I wish mechanics like you were at all dealerships across america
Hold tight I am creating a network of techs that I APPROVE to send you all to!
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod awesome, please do. That and how to flush the power steering on an aluma duty and I’ll be waving the arod flag for years to come!!!!
Yes sirrrr
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARodyou get that list of techs. I’m in Washington state.
I have no west coasters
Whats going on brother, i replaced all my tie rod ends on my 2018 f250 6.7 4wd, also i was going to replace the drag link but tge one i received was longer than the factory one, when i order it it was supposed to be a perfect match for my truck, did i get the wrong part or am i wrong? Thanks for what you do for us, your videos are very helpful
I don't know which one you got
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod 2018 f250 6.7 4WD XLT SHORT BED
....no the drag link....
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod oh, lol, moog Steering Drag Link At Pitman Arm
Ehhhh id be able to help u if it was the ford one. I cant corss ref moog
What kind of undercoating is that and/or what do you have on yours?
Just answered another guy, peep the comments
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I hear LOTS of people contend that DW is an alignment issue. What do you think?
Absolutely not
Yhe secret is max caster, 3%. Of course everything has to be tight.